The oceans as a calorimeter and solar amplification

For those who don’t know, a calorimeter is a device to measure heat capacity. There is an entire science called calorimetry devoted to this measurement. Scottish physician and scientist Joseph Black, who was the first to recognize the distinction between heat and temperature, is claimed to be founder of calorimetry. Interestingly, Black studied properties of Carbon Dioxide. One of his experiments involved placing a flame and mice into the carbon dioxide. Because both entities died, Black concluded that the air was not breathable. He named it ‘fixed air’ – Anthony

Reposted from Sciencebits by Professor Nir J. Shaviv, Racah Institute of Physics

I few months ago, I had a paper accepted in the Journal of Geophysical Research. Since its repercussions are particularly interesting for the general public, I decided to write about it. I would have written earlier, but as I wrote before, I have been quite busy. I now have time, sitting in my hotel in Lijiang (Yunnan, China).

Lijiang Scene

A scene in Lijiang near my hotel, where most of this post was written. More pics here.

A calorimeter is a device which measures the amount of heat given off in a chemical or physical reaction. It turns out that one can use the Earth’s oceans as one giant calorimeter to measure the amount of heat Earth absorbs and reemits every solar cycle. Two questions probably pop in your mind,

a) Why is this interesting?

and,

b) How do you do so?

Let me answer.

One of the raging debates in the climate community relates to the question of whether there is any mechanism amplifying solar activity. That is, are the solar synchronized climatic variations that we see (e.g., take a look at fig. 1 here) due to changes of just the solar irradiance, or, are they due to some effect which amplifies the solar-climate link. In particular, is there an amplification of some non-thermal component of the sun? (e.g., UV, solar magnetic field, solar wind or others which have much larger variations than the 0.1% variations of the solar irradiance). This question has interesting repercussions to the question of global warming, which is why the debate is so fierce.

If only solar irradiance is the cause of the solar-related climate variations, it would imply that the small solar variations cause large temperature variations on Earth, and therefore that Earth has a very sensitive climate. If on the other hand there is some amplification mechanism, it would imply that solar variations induce much larger variations in the radiative budget, and that the observed temperature variations can therefore be explained with a smaller climate sensitivity.

Since global warming alarmists want a large sensitivity, they adamantly fight any evidence which shows that there might be an amplification mechanism. Clearly, a larger climate sensitivity would imply that the same CO2 increase over the 21st century would cause a larger temperature increase, that is, allow for a more frightening scenario, more need for climate research and climate action, and more need for research money for them. (I am being overly cynical here, but it some cases it is not far from the truth). Others don’t even need research money, don’t really care about the science (and certainly don’t understand it), but make money from riding the wave anyway (e.g., a former vice president, without naming names).

On the other end of the spectrum, politically driven skeptics want to burn fossil fuels relentlessly. A real global warming problem would force them to change their plans. Therefore, any argument which would imply a small climate sensitivity and a lower predicted 21st century temperature increase is favored by them. Just like their opponents, they do so without actually understanding the science.

I of course, don’t get money from oil companies. In fact, I am not a republican (hey, I am even the head of a workers union). I care about the environment (I grew up in a solar house) and think there are a dozen good reasons why we should burn less fossil fuels, but as you will see below, global warming is not one of them. In fact, I am driven by something strange… the quest for the knowledge!

With this intro, you can realize why answering the solar amplification question is very important (besides being a genuinely interesting scientific question), and why answering it (either way) would make some people really annoyed.

So, what do the oceans tell us?

Over the 11 or so year solar cycle, solar irradiance changes by typically 0.1%. i.e., about 1 W/m2 relative to the solar constant of 1360 W/m2. Once one averages for the whole surface of earth (i.e., divide by 4) and takes away the reflected component (i.e., times 1 minus the albedo), it comes out to be about 0.17 W/m2 variations relative to the 240 W/m2. Thus, if only solar irradiance variations are present, Earth’s sensitivity has to be pretty high to explain the solar-climate correlations (see the collapsed box below).

However, if solar activity is amplified by some mechanism (such as hypersensitivity to UV, or indirectly through sensitivity to cosmic ray flux variations), then in principle, a lower climate sensitivity can explain the solar-climate links, but it would mean that a much larger heat flux is entering and leaving the system every solar cycle.

The IPCC’s small solar forcing and the emperor’s new clothes.

With the years, the IPCC has tried to downgrade the role of the sun. The reason is stated above – a large solar forcing would necessarily imply a lower anthropogenic effect and lower climate sensitivity. This includes perpetually doubting any non-irradiance amplification mechanism, and even emphasizing publications which downgrade long term variations in the irradiance. In fact, this has been done to such an extent, that clear solar/climate links such as the Mounder minimum are basically impossible to explain with any reasonable climate sensitivity. Here are the numbers.

According to the IPCC (AR4), the solar irradiance is responsible for a net radiative forcing increase between the Maunder Minimum and today of 0.12 W/m2 (0.06 to 0.60 at 90% confidence). We know however that the Maunder minimum was about 1°C colder (e.g., from direct temperature measurements of boreholes – e.g., this summary). This requires a global sensitivity of 1.0/0.12°C/(W/m2). Since doubling the CO2 is thought to induce a 3.8 W/m2 change in the radiative forcing, irradiance/climate correlations require a CO2 doubling temperature of ΔTx2 ~ 31°C !! Besides being at odds with other observations, any sensitivity larger than ΔTx2 ~ 10°C would cause the climate to be unconditionally unstable (see box here).

Clearly, the IPCC scientists don’t comprehend that their numbers add up to a totally inconsistent picture. Of course, the real story is that solar forcing, even just the irradiance change, is larger than the IPCC values.

Now, is there a direct record which measures the heat flux going into the climate system? The answer is that over the 11-year solar cycle, a large fraction of the flux entering the climate system goes into the oceans. However, because of the high heat capacity of the oceans, this heat content doesn’t change the ocean temperature by much. And as a consequence, the oceans can be used as a “calorimeter” to measure the solar radiative forcing. Of course, the full calculation has to include the “calorimetric efficiency” and the fact that the oceans do change their temperature a little (such that some of the heat is radiated away, thereby reducing the calorimetric efficiency).

It turns out that there are three different types of data sets from which the ocean heat content can derived. The first data is is that of direct measurements using buoys. The second is the ocean surface temperature, while the third is that of the tide gauge record which reveals the thermal expansion of the oceans. Each one of the data sets has different advantages and disadvantages.

The ocean heat content, is a direct measurement of the energy stored in the oceans. However, it requires extended 3D data, the holes in which contributed systematic errors. The sea surface temperature is only time dependent 2D data, but it requires solving for the heat diffusion into the oceans, which of course has its uncertainties (primarily the vertical turbulent diffusion coefficient). Last, because ocean basins equilibrate over relatively short periods, the tide gauge record is inherently integrative. However, it has several systematic uncertainties, for example, a non-neligible contribution from glacial meting (which on the decadal time scale is still secondary).

Nevertheless, the beautiful thing is that within the errors in the data sets (and estimate for the systematics), all three sets give consistently the same answer, that a large heat flux periodically enters and leaves the oceans with the solar cycle, and this heat flux is about 6 to 8 times larger than can be expected from changes in the solar irradiance only. This implies that an amplification mechanism necessarily exists. Interestingly, the size is consistent with what would be expected from the observed low altitude cloud cover variations.

Here are some figures from the paper:

fig. 1: Sea Surface Temperature anomaly, Sea Level Rate, Net Oceanic Heat Flux, the TSI anomaly and Cosmic Ray flux variations. In the top panel are the inverted Haleakala/Huancayo neutron monitor data (heavy line, dominated by cosmic rays with a primary rigidity cutoff of 12.9 GeV), and the TSI anomaly (TSI – 1366 W/m2 , thin line, and based on Lean [2000]). The next panel depicts the net oceanic heat flux, averaged over all the oceans (thin line) and the more complete average heat flux in the Atlantic region (Lon 80°W to 30°E, thick line), based on Ishii et al. [2006]. The next two panels plot the SLR and SST anomaly. The thin lines are the two variables with their linear trends removed. In the thick lines, the ENSO component is removed as well (such that the cross-correlation with the ENSO signal will vanish).

fig 2: Sea Level vs. Solar Activity. Sea level change rate over the 20th century is based on 24 tide gauges previously chosen by Douglas [1997] for the stringent criteria they satisfy (solid line, with 1-σ statistical error range denoted with the shaded region). The rates are compared with the total solar irradiance variations Lean [2000] (dashed line, with the secular trends removed). Note that before 1920 or after 1995, there are about 10 stations or less such that the uncertainties increase.

fig 3: Summary of the “calorimetric” measurements and expectations for the average global radiative forcing Fglobal. Each of the 3 measurements suffers from different limitations. The ocean heat content (OHC) is the most direct measurement but it suffers from completeness and noise in the data. The heat flux obtained from the sea surface temperature (SST) variations depends on the modeling of the heat diffusion into the ocean, here the diffusion coefficient is the main source of error. As for the sea level based flux, the largest uncertainty is due to the ratio between the thermal contribution and the total sea level variations. The solid error bars are the global radiative forcing obtained while assuming that similar forcing variations occur over oceans and land. The dotted error bars assume that the radiative forcing variations are only over the oceans. These measurements should be compared with two different expectations. The TSI is the expected flux if solar variability manifests itself only as a variable solar constant. The “Low Clouds+TSI” point is the expected oceanic flux based on the observed low altitude cloud cover variations, which appear to vary in sync with the solar cycle (while assuming several approximations). Evidently, the TSI cannot explain the observed flux going into the ocean. An amplification mechanism, such as that of CRF modulation of the low altitude cloud cover is required.

So what does it mean?

First, it means that the IPCC cannot ignore anymore the fact that the sun has a large climatic effect on climate. Of course, there was plenty of evidence before, so I don’t expect this result to make any difference!

Second, given the consistency between the energy going into the oceans and the estimated forcing by the solar cycle synchronized cloud cover variations, it is unlikely that the solar forcing is not associated with the cloud cover variation.

Note that the most reasonable explanation to the cloud variations is that of the cosmic ray cloud link. By now there are many independent lines of evidence showing its existence (e.g., for a not so recent summary take a look here). That is, the cloud cover variations are controlled by an external lever, which itself is affected by solar activity.

Incidentally, talking about the oceans, Arthur C. Clarke made once a very cute observation:

References:

1) Nir J. Shaviv (2008); Using the oceans as a calorimeter to quantify the solar radiative forcing, J. Geophys. Res., 113, A11101, doi:10.1029/2007JA012989. Local Copy.

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bill
April 15, 2009 3:07 pm

Long lost on another thread I posted a number of FFTs which would show any periodic temperature variations (as a comparison an FFT of sunspot number which shows the expected 11year cycle is located at the bottom) If there is a noticable 11 year solar influence it would be present in ALL locations – it is not. NB. a greater than 12 or less than 10 year peak cannot be attributed to the 11 year solar cycle. It would be totally different cause.
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/1127/ffts.jpg
To my brain any 11 year solar/magnetic/cosmic ray cycle does not show itself above the noise. There are other repetative signals withmore significance.

April 15, 2009 3:07 pm

Thom Scrutchin (13:49:03) :
There is a well known proposition that sunspots correlate with temperature at a gross scale …
Do you dispute the proposition that there is a connection between sunspots and temperature?

Proposition, yes, but is it for real? probably not, or rather, the evidence is weak.
John Edmondson (14:13:06) :
My point of view is that CO2 doubling will cause an increase of 2-3 F.
What one thinks about CO2 etc, should have no bearing on how solid the evidence is for a solar connection.
George E. Smith (14:16:23) :
A number of sources have stated that they don’t see an 11 year cycle in some of these climate events such as Leif states.
In particular, not in the sea level.
James P (14:31:50) :
“That difference is 108.0245mm” – Leif (12:57:33)
Now we’re measuring sea level to less than a micron? Wow!

Amazing what one can do with modern technology, isn’t it?
kim (14:39:36) :
Left wanting in this supposition is how the shape of the peak of the cosmic rays can effect clouds, but otherwise, the bare bones of a theory is there. You’ve pooh poohed this in the past, and I’m not completely sure why.
First, because that is a very small second order effect, and we are still struggling to even show that the first order effect is operating.
stumpy (14:43:24) :
Congratulations on an excellent and potentially influencial paper
except that Figure 2 does not accord with available data on the sea level, so “where is the beef” when even the bun is missing?

kim
April 15, 2009 3:29 pm

Leif at 15:07:37
Well, you’ve certainly explained how a first order effect doesn’t have enough effect to give the range of climate we do see, why couldn’t a second order effect, magnified through a mechanism whose feedback could vary, such as clouds, result in the desired range of climate variation?
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April 15, 2009 3:43 pm

kim (15:29:14) :
why couldn’t a second order effect, magnified through a mechanism whose feedback could vary, such as clouds, result in the desired range of climate variation?
This is not quite the way science is supposed to work. The ‘desired range’ says it all. Nature does not care what we desire. In addition, to stay on topic, Figure 2 does not show any 22-year cycles, and the graph is suspect anyway as I have remarked several times [without anybody picking up on that – apparently].

JALMetr@
April 15, 2009 3:48 pm

I’ve been toying with satellite TSI data for a long time and my reconstruction matches almost perfectly with Svalgaard´s one.
http://foro.meteored.com/dlattach.html;topic=79069.0;attach=134120;image
I can not understand how Lean could obtain his.
Anyway, I think, like Shaviv, that there is an oceanic solar amplification, but with a big difference: via AMO and Gulf Stream. Next I’ll do is to have a look on Heat content and sea level data.

April 15, 2009 3:54 pm

kim (15:29:14) :
why couldn’t a second order effect, magnified through a mechanism whose feedback could vary, such as clouds, result in the desired range of climate variation?
Maybe I should clarify: if there is no first order effect, there hardly can be no second order effect. The feedback would work on the first order effect as well, but, as usual, if one wants to peddle something, there is an obligation of demonstrating it, instead of saying ‘isn’t is possible that…’. As Al Gore says: “if you don’t know what you a talking about, anything is possible…’

April 15, 2009 4:34 pm

JALMetr (15:48:56) :
I can not understand how Lean could obtain his.
She was trying to accommodate the notion that the Sun’s coronal magnetic field had more than doubled in the last 100 years [ see http://www.leif.org/research/No%20Doubling.pdf for some background material on this] which it has not.
Anyway, I think, like Shaviv, that there is an oceanic solar amplification, but with a big difference: via AMO and Gulf Stream. Next I’ll do is to have a look on Heat content and sea level data.
What I don’t get is why we are even discussing the solar cycle signal in sea level change, when there is none:
http://www.leif.org/research/Sea-Level-Change.png

JALMetr@
April 15, 2009 5:16 pm

Thanks Leif for the link about sun coronal magnetic field. I will read it carefully.
In relation to sea level I was not considering sun activity, but AMO and other variables. When seeing your graph I can not find a clear relationship with Global Sea Temperatures (derived from GISS-NASA, i.e.). It seams that there are some more factors involved in its evolution. No idea what could be.

April 15, 2009 5:27 pm

JALMetr (17:16:54) :
When seeing your graph I can not find a clear relationship with Global Sea Temperatures
How about comparing with Shaviv’s Figure 2. He shows a clear cyclic variation of the sea level [although not too well correlated with the solar cycle]. In my plot [which reflects the actual data as I have downloaded them from reputable sources] there is no such variation, so his graph looks like pure fantasy to me, unless some fancy smoothing, bandpass filtering, adjusting, or other massagings that we are not told about were applied.

Nick Yates
April 15, 2009 5:41 pm

Leif Svalgaard (17:27:51) :
How about comparing with Shaviv’s Figure 2. He shows a clear cyclic variation of the sea level [although not too well correlated with the solar cycle].
Isn’t he showing a variation in the rate of sea level rise, not in the actual sea level itself?

George E. Smith
April 15, 2009 5:42 pm

A mechanism whereby cosmic rays or solar charged particles can affect earth climate and how the solar cycles play into that is as follows; remember this is bare bones, and not meant to be an exhaustive explanation.
It is well known that the solar magnetic cycle (don’t know its technical name) is 22-3 years long consisting of two sunspot cycles together. How the solar magnetic fields seem to reverse from one cycle to another is beyond my ken, and I assume that Leif knows why that happens.
It is also well known that the earth’s own magnetic field does not reverse every every 11 years , or in synchronism with the sun.
Therefore one can conclude that the combined local magnetic field near the earth varies from one cycle to another (sunspot) in that during one cycle the sun’s field might enhance the earth’s field, giving a larger local magnetic field strength. During the other sunspot cycle with the sun reversed, the net field would be expected to be reduced, so that the total local magnetic field around earth would have a 22-3 year cyclic variation.
So what ?
Well the local magnetic field steers charged particles /cosmic rays in the vicinity of the earth. The graphs of cosmic rays (maybe its neutron counts) verus sunspot cycles is incontrovertible evidence that this happens.
In particular such particles are know to be capable of spiralling around the earth field lines, which steers them towards one magnetic pole or the other, depending on which trajectroy the particle came in on.
So with stronger fields more charged particles/cosmic rays are steered away from the temperate/tropic areas towards the polar regions.
With lower fields comes less trajectory change, and fewer cosmic rays are steered away from the tropical regions.
It is also well known that cosmic rays, and solar charged particles can create chearged particle showers when they encounter the upper atmosphere, and water droplets can condense on those tracks, in the well understood Wilson cloud chamber mechanism.
So cosmic rays can enhance cloud formation. But they are only going to do that in areas which have plenty of water vapor, and higher humidity.
So cosmic rays steered towards the colder magnetic pole regions are not likely to nucleate much in the way of clouds; but those arriving in the tropics where there is plenty of water vapor, will nucleate more clouds, which reflect and block sunlight, thereby resulting in local cooling.
So higher magnetic field (locally) means less clouds, and warming, but lower magnetic fields means less CR diversion, so more clouds formed and a cooler local environment.
All of that can happen even if the TSI (solar constant) stayed constant to 8 significant figures.
There doesn’t have to be very much extra clouds formed in the tropics to have a large effect on temperatures; since it is in the tropics that you have the highests solar energy flux, and hence the blocking effect of clouds is at its highest level.
Now as I said, this is just the skeleton; I am sure the fleshed out whole creature is somewhat more complicated; but anyone who has a physical explanation for why what I just described cannot happen; then I am all ears, (and open mind).
I don’t have any dog in this fight; I only care that they get the science correct; period.
George

April 15, 2009 5:53 pm

As best I understand Nir Shaviv’s hypothesis, it is that small changes in solar irradiation over the solar cycle are being amplified in some way to produce much larger terrestrial climatic effects.
Shaviv sets his hypothesis in the context of the disputes raging around possible solar causes of climate change. “This question has interesting repercussions to the question of global warming, which is why the debate is so fierce,” he writes.
But why is the debate so fierce? Perhaps what is happening is that AGW sceptics feel that they must produce a hypothesis to rival the AGW ‘consensus’. And since the sceptics are primarily sceptical about warming, there is perhaps an entirely unsurprising tendency to be drawn towards any hypothesis that proposes that, instead of warming, the Earth may instead be cooling.
But is it really necessary to come up with a rival hypothesis? Is it not sufficient to be able to show that the IPCC projections of global warming have already been shown to be wrong, that the temperature data that has been used to construct these projections is suspect in a variety of ways, and that the computer simulation models which have been used to make these projections have a number of known weaknesses? Is it really necessary, when showing that 1+1 != 27, to additionally demonstrate, as a final majestic flourish, that in fact 1+1 = 2?
The reality of the situation, it would appear, is that we simply do not know what (if anything) determines terrestrial climate. We only have a variety of hypotheses, of which one – the AGW hypothesis – has acquired a certain fashionable pre-eminence in recent years, largely by slavish media coverage and by entirely spurious claims that “the debate is over”. Rather than construct a rival hypothesis, might it not be best if there was simply a return to the status quo ante in which all concerned would admit that they really had no idea what was going on, rather than making outrageous claims of special insight/knowledge?
Why can’t we accept our ignorance? Why do we have to be forever claiming to know what we don’t actually know? Why can’t we just say, “We don’t know. But we are trying to find out. And so far we haven’t got anywhere much. Too bad. It’s the way it’s always been.”
We humans have been living a very long time on a little spinning planet being pulled this way and that between a number of the great burning balls of fire that we call stars. Why are we getting so terrified about that right now?

kim
April 15, 2009 6:14 pm

Leif at 15:54:31 and 15:43:38
Yes, I regretted ‘desired range’ as soon as I posted it. Better would be ‘demonstrated range’. I still like my little mechanism, working as it does through cosmic rays and clouds, and showing a way for the sun to create the alternating phases of the cyclic Pacific Decadal Oscillation, but I’ll admit it isn’t a proven mechanism nor is it even very well elucidated. And I’ll happily admit knowing only enough to be foolish. Still, I’ll bet the sun runs the show. Isn’t the climate just the continuation of the sun by other means?
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kim
April 15, 2009 6:29 pm

Also, Leif, that there is no demonstrated magnification of a first order effect does not preclude a magnification of a second order effect. Magnification might well be effect specific, and as yet, we don’t know upon what phenomenon of the sun magnification works, let alone if any does at all.
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Editor
April 15, 2009 6:37 pm

Tom P,
We know in the LIA that the canals in holland froze solid and the Hudson River froze enough to transport heavy cannon across it during the US revolution. Stick those datasets in your models and see where that leaves the globe.

April 15, 2009 7:15 pm

Nick Yates (17:41:19) :
Isn’t he showing a variation in the rate of sea level rise, not in the actual sea level itself?
Here we go again. The red curve is the change per year:
http://www.leif.org/research/Sea-Level-Change.png
George E. Smith (17:42:49) :
so that the total local magnetic field around earth would have a 22-3 year cyclic variation.
It does not [at least not one that has been clearly observed] because the interplanetary magnetic field near the Earth varies randomly in the North-South direction regardless of what the solar polar fields are doing.
but anyone who has a physical explanation for why what I just described cannot happen; then I am all ears, (and open mind).
See above
2009
idlex (17:53:55) :
As best I understand Nir Shaviv’s hypothesis
My point was that his graph [figure 2] is fantasy, not what is actually observed, so what does the rest matter?
kim (18:29:42) :
Also, Leif, that there is no demonstrated magnification of a first order effect does not preclude a magnification of a second order effect.
I don’t know of a single such case, so I’ll maintain that it doesn’t happen. Show me an example, and we can go from there.

kim
April 15, 2009 7:19 pm

Leif, 19:15:00
Show me. That’s always the rub, isn’t it? And not just in Missouri. I respect your integrity and logic. Thanks. Oh, yeah, your knowledge base, too.
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DocMartyn
April 15, 2009 7:26 pm

Does anyone know how much the uv changes during the course of the sunspot cycle?
Phytoplanton and bacteria have a mini carbon cycle that changes the turbidity of sea water. At high uv, the bacteria die, the water is turbid and Phytoplanton grow slowly.
High turbidity would cause surface heating.
Low uv means lots of bacteria, clear water, more Phytoplanton and IR penetrating much deeper into the water, heating down to 5 meters or more.
http://www.photobiology.info/Hader.html

Shaun
April 15, 2009 7:50 pm

Can I ask two really dumb questions?
If you look at the data Leif referenced above
http://www.cmar.csiro.au/sealevel/sl_data_cmar.html
The sea level falls by about 16mm during the course of 1998. Is this the ocean giving off heat to the atmosphere in that hot year?
(2) How much of the long term sea level rise is due to dispacement from the effusions of undersea volcanoes?

Mike Abbott
April 15, 2009 8:43 pm

I’m surprised that nobody has pointed out the similarity between Shaviv’s article and the one recently posted by David Archibald (see http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/07/archibald-on-sea-level-rise-and-solar-cycles/.
Archibald’s graph and Shaviv’s figure 2 are almost identical. The basic premise of each article is that there is a strong correlation between the “rate of change” in sea level and solar cycles. In both cases, Leif Svalgaard has claimed that such a relationship does not actually exist and cites evidence to support his case. Do the rest of you appreciate the significance of this? If Leif is right, and I wouldn’t bet against him, a lot of blogspace is being wasted over nothing. Instead of talking about what the sea level/solar cycle relationship means, the discussion should focus on whether that relationship exists in the first place. Those of you more knowledgable in this area than me (and that means most of you) must pick apart Shaviv’s figure 2 and Archibald’s graph and determine whether they have any validity. Before Gavin at RC beats you to it…

April 15, 2009 10:04 pm

Mike Abbott (20:43:54) :
In both cases, Leif Svalgaard has claimed that such a relationship does not actually exist and cites evidence to support his case.
Now, it is possible that suitable filtering or smoothing or other torturing might produce a smoother curve and that differentiating that curve may produce the desired signal, but such most be met with severe skepticism. My red curve [the change/yr] was in fact produced by first calculating a one-year running mean and then differentiating that to get the change/yr [equivalent to difference between yearly means]. What massaging is needed to get the Shaviv curve?

par5
April 15, 2009 10:24 pm

Thank you Dr. Shaviv- I have been looking for this piece of the puzzle.

JoeL
April 15, 2009 10:40 pm

What massaging is needed to get the Shaviv curve?
Shaviv writes: “Note that unlike other calculations of the sea level change rate, this analysis was done by first differentiating individual station data and then adding the different stations. This can give rise to spurious long term trends (which are not important here), but ensure that there are no spurious jumps from gaps in station data. The data is then 1-2-1 averaged to remove annual noise.”

Paul Vaughan
April 15, 2009 10:46 pm

Shaviv: “In summary, we find clear evidence indicating that the total flux entering the oceans in response to the solar cycle is about an order of magnitude larger than the globally averaged irradiance variations of 0.17 W/m2. The sheer size of the heat flux, and the lack of any phase lag […] […] It should be stressed that the observed correlation between the oceanic heat flux and solar activity does not provide proof for any particular amplification mechanism, including that of the CRF/climate link. It does however provide very strong support for the notion that an amplification mechanism exists. Given that the CRF/climate links predicts the correct radiation imbalance observed in the cloud cover variations, it is a favorable candidate.”
Some might argue that a little controversy might be one way to get research money flowing towards more than just selective aspects of the truth.
We look under every stone.

jorgekafkazar
April 15, 2009 11:07 pm

Leif Svalgaard (19:15:00) : Nick Yates (17:41:19) :
“Isn’t he showing a variation in the rate of sea level rise, not in the actual sea level itself?”
‘Here we go again. The red curve is the change per year:
http://www.leif.org/research/Sea-Level-Change.png
Yeah, didn’t we do all this two days ago?
Best regards,
Jörge

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