From the “more study is needed” department and Dr. Roger Pielke Senior, it seems that the RFP (request for proposal) might be one of the biggest problems with climate science today, as some read like recipes. He posted this article today, which I share in entirety here.
Perceptive Article On The Sad State Of Research Funding By Toby N. Carlson
Toby N. Carlson of the Department of Meteorology at the Pennsylvania State University has shared with me two article on the sad state of research funding. This sentiment fits with my impressions of NSF funding that I have posted on in my weblog; e.g. see
The two articles are
Carlson, T. N, 2010: Science by Proxy. The Chronicle for Higher Education. October 17 201o.
and
Carlson, T. N., 2008: Current funding practices in academic science stifle creativity. Review of Policy Research (Dupont Summit issue), 25, 631-642.
In Carlson 2010, excerpts are [highlight added]
“The agencies are also at fault. They are bureaucracies that promote top-down science to suit political and administrative ends. To begin with, there is the application process itself. Often, an agency’s request for proposal, or RFP, reads like a legal document, constricting the applicant to stay within very narrow and conventional bounds, with no profound scientific questions posed at all. Many RFP’s are so overly specific that they amount to little more than work for hire. Those who know how to play the game simply reply to RFP’s with parroted responses that echo the language in the proposal, in efforts to convince the reviewers that their programs exactly fit the conditions of the RFP. Thus many RFP’s inhibit good research rather than encourage it.
Program managers—who are even further removed from the forefront of their fields than overburdened principal investigators—also favor large, splashy research projects with plenty of crowd appeal, like fancy Web sites that look impressive but that no one actually uses. In other words, useless science.
Money is trumping creativity in academic science. This statement was previously given substance in an article I published, along with a companion paper by Mark Roulston in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society (Carlson, 2006a; Roulston, 2006) and in a subsequent address I gave to the Heads and Chairs meeting in Boulder, Colorado (Carlson, 2006b). Here, I expand further on the issues treated in these papers, and make a plea for changing the way funding is administered in academic science. Using examples I show that the present worsening situation places a dead hand on the spirit and creative output of academic scientists, especially junior faculty. I suggest a possible solution, which would enable academic scientists to function in a stable environment, free from spurious financial pressures and dictates from university administration and funding agencies.”
Excerpts from the Carlson 2008 paper read
I would like to suggest an alternate approach to addressing this crisis. One approach would be to award a sum of money based on the score received from the reviewers. This would insure that all but the poorest proposals would receive some funding. Another suggestion is more radical. For this, we need not be fixated on the numbers here, as expediting the idea would entail a thorough cost analysis of funds available from institutions and the numbers of potential recipients of that funding. I believe that were funding agencies to collaborate by agreeing to award each faculty member a nominal sum of money each year (let’s say $20,000) plus one graduate student, subject to a very short proposal justifying the research and citing papers published, the total amount of money handed out would be far less than at present and the time spent in fruitless chasing after funds reduced considerably. Importantly, the productivity and creativity of the scientist would increase and the burden placed on reviewers of papers and proposals and on editors of journals would decrease.
The proposal submitted by the scientist to the funding agency would be very short (e.g., one page), and be subjected to a nominal review and a pass/fail criterion: does this proposal seem worthwhile? The level of subsistence would be set low enough to eliminate greed (or complacency on the part of the recipient), high enough to allow scientists adequate funds to carry on a viable research program free of financial stresses. The allotment would also be set sufficiently low as to insure that funding agencies have sufficient money left over for some larger programs. The latter would be funded by the submission of conventional proposals, subject to the current review process, except that the research would be initiated from the working scientist rather than the funding agency. In other words, bottom up science.
The atmosphere being created by the present system in academic science is joyless. Good scientific research requires dedication, patience, and enthusiasm and a high degree of passion for the chosen subject. Overhearing conversations in the corridors of my own institution, I am struck by the fact that the topics are almost always related to proposal writing and funding and not to scientific ideas. Where is the inspiration; where is the passion?
Toby’s recommendation is excellent, and should be encouraged. With respect to NSF funding in climate science, the current focus on funding multi-decadal climate predictions by the NSF fits with his characterization that they ”are bureaucracies that promote top-down science to suit political and administrative ends“.
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I am shocked… utterly shocked.. to learn that politics has become involved in climate science research funding. Who could ever have imagined ti?
More study needed here too…to tweak the models…from a 3 day ‘climate change’ conference being held in Perth, Western Australia right now. I would bet Jo Nova and David Evans will not have been invited to attend…http://pindanpost.com/2011/04/28/weather-change…ts-an-oxymoron/
“Climate change” is all about politics.
Look up UN Agenda 21.
AMSU site has been down 24 hrs anybody know why? Maybe tornadoes?
REPLY: Power is out over much of the state, including UAH. -Anthony
What else would you expect from an organization that funds itself through theft? Governments exist to enable the ruling class to loot the people without the people fighting back. If you think of the government as a mafia that’s seized a monopoly on violence and the legislative process, suddenly everything it does makes sense.
I feel that is too late and the only way to correct the nonscience of today is withdraw all public funding. Government is the problem and cannot self correct nor be sensibly modified in any reasonable time.Cheaper and cleaner to scrap this mess of govt expertise and start again. We have two or three generations of rent seekers to wean off the public purse, genuine govt certified experts one and all and functionally useless to me John Taxpayer.
He who pays the piper…………….
I chose the wrong field…..
Yes we lie, no you can’t verify most of what we do, and yes we’re on the government teat….
…but Jeeze, these guys are getting the big bucks
Quem deus perdere vult, dementat prius.
Even top secret pentagon programs have to show results. If they don’t, people with stars on their uniform get very angry and people lose funding. Climate science seems to be able to hide data *and* keep getting rewarded for failure.
Some quotes:
Our pleasures were simple – they included survival.
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Plans are nothing; planning is everything.
Dwight D. Eisenhower
May we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion.
Dwight D. Eisenhower
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I’ve read little about the man, I plan to change that.
As soon as you encounter the word ROBUST in any governmental context you know you’re being flimflammed.
I strongly support the revamping of the way we spend money on science. I don’t know the best way to fix it, but it is definitely broken.
I’m partial to the “X-Prize” approach, where we set a carefully designed technical goal and award big bucks if you can do it. First gather the experts and determine the “choke points” for a variety of energy sources, the technical problems that make them uneconomic for energy production. Offer prizes for showing an economical way past that problem.
Carlson’s proposal is good, but I think it should be expanded to include citizen-scientists like myself. He restricts every penny of his plan to go to established educational institutions. But they are not the only source of good science these days. In addition, university climate science departments tend to be hotbeds of uniformity, which is anathema to science …
w.
Willis Eschenbach says:
April 28, 2011 at 6:14 pm
“I’m partial to the “X-Prize” approach, where we set a carefully designed technical goal and award big bucks if you can do it.”
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Umm,
it’s called the IPCC currently, shall we change the name ??
Or change human nature,
or profit motive,
or ……….
Old Construction Worker: Where are the sources for these quotes? I don’t disagree that these people said these things, but I want to pass it on to my various senators and representatives as well as others and it would be stronger if the source were indicated. Thanks
In order to get funding, you have to tell them what you’re going to find before you even start looking for it. If you stray from the plan (e.g. data leads you elsewhere): No funding next round. But there’s no easy fix — i.e. change the system and you’ll just get different problems. This is the nature of complex systems. The corruption will just change flavor and we’ll still have my first 2 sentences. One solution: Don’t be dependent on mainstream funding sources. Freedom.
Mark Luedtke and JRR Canada, very well said. Except in a very few areas (foreign affairs, domestic law & order), government isn’t the solution, it’s the problem.
Steve Fitzpatrick says:
April 28, 2011 at 3:40 pm
I am shocked… utterly shocked.. to learn that politics has become involved in climate science research funding. Who could ever have imagined ti?
President Dwight David Eisenhower.
We just witnessed Lisa Jackson create her own scientific dogma with a few strokes of the pen, calling CO2 a poisonous gas. Funded Climate Science Institutions did nothing to correct her unfounded claim.
Isn’t this describing the rise of the Idiocracy? Anyone seen the movie Brazil?
The problem is this top down approach, that some of us have been warning about for years now, is catching up with reality. That reality is this is not science but a failed application of engineering and technology methodology to and process that wouldn’t recognize an absolute under any conditions. It can not be call science, it is not science it is nothing but religious ideology.
I don’t know the best method of state funding science although I am drawn to the idea of ceasing to do so at all.
But to me it seems self evident that if funding was absolutely random (decided by a monkey spinning a roulette wheel?) it would be much more likely to yield at least some honest and worthwhile science than the present system, which makes the way the Mafia operates look like a model of rational probity.
Old Construction Worker,
As Rhoda Ramirez asks, it would be helpful if you could provide accessible, verifiable sources and dates for the statements that you quote.
I would like to provide evidence to a university physics professor that AGW is promoted by political activism.
Any evidence that I have provide is dismissed, rather patronisingly, on the basis that I am not a physicist and don’t understand these matters which should be left to the experts.
As far as he is concerned, if The Royal Society says that AGW is occurring, then it is so.
Ack.
Ensure not insure.
The solution startes one in the face. Government funding of prescribed projects by academics has little reward for success and seemingly no retribution hor a hopeless job of work
The key word is ‘accountability’. Throw the scientists into an open, competitive society, where the ones who eat well are the ones who advance the science. You know, a bit like a business enterprise that can shop around for skills and can hire and fire.
Institutions like Universities do have a place, but that place is best used only when collective effort trumps the individual. Like building an operating a supercollider for particle research, or a supercomputer too expensive for a single corporation.
As well as that magic word ‘accountability’, there is another world where pure research is conducted; but pure research should seldom form the basis of policy decisions for the larger world. First, the ideas from pure research have to be validated by applied research, and surprise – corporations can be quite good at that also.
There are simply too many ivory towers, especially in USA.