Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach (@weschenbach on X, personal blog at Skating Under The Ice)
Here’s a science joke about the dangers of oversimplified models.
A dairy farmer with low milk production asks a physicist for help. After some months, the physicist eventually reports back: “I have found out how to solve the problem.”
“About time!”, said the farmer, “What is it?”
The physicist replies, “First, assume a spherical cow in a vacuum.”
In 2023 I wrote post entitled Testing a Constructal Climate Model, where I took a first cut at making a computer implementation of Adrian Bejan’s ideas about a Constructal model of the climate.
For those who missed my earlier post, the Constructal Law is the most recently discovered fundamental law of thermodynamics. It was first described by Adrian Bejan in 1996. He’s the JA Jones Distinguished Professor of Mechanical Engineering at Duke University, and his writings have over 100,000 citations.
The Constructal Law says that flow systems far from equilibrium evolve to maximize access to flow. Rivers don’t meander randomly—they organize to maximize water transport. Animal circulatory systems don’t just happen—they evolve to maximize nutrient flow. And according to Adrian Bejan, the climate should organize itself to maximize heat flow from the hot tropics to the cold poles.
Now, that sounded reasonable enough … but does it actually work? Can you build a working climate model based on that principle?
Turns out you can. And as my post above showed, it’s a very simple model.
In any case, after writing that post, I got invited to present my work in November at the 15th Constructal Law Conference, hosted by the Florida International University College of Engineering and Computing in Miami.
I went in part because I wanted to meet Adrian Bejan, who was slated to be in attendance. I have a number of scientific heroes, and he’s one of them. I introduced myself to him, and he said Oh, you’re Willis Eschenbach. I’ve seen your work. It’s very impressive!
Zowie, sez I. A win for the reformed cowboy!
There were many interesting presentations at the Constructal Conference, but that interaction alone was worth the ticket to Miami … however, I digress.
Originally, my plan for the conference was to just present the work shown in my post linked above. But then I realized that was a lazy copout — that model was two years old. I had to take it further forward. So I did more research and analysis, which is what this post is about. Basically, it’s an expanded version of my presentation at the conference.
The model I’m about to show you treats the Earth as a smooth sphere—no land, no ocean, no mountains, no ice sheets, nothing but a ball heated by the sun. It divides this ball into two zones: a hot equatorial zone and cold polar zones. That’s it. Two zones. And from those two zones, using the Constructal Law to maximize heat flow between them, the model reproduces the actual Earth’s temperature, circulation patterns, and year-to-year variations with remarkable accuracy.
Let me show you how it works, and then we’ll look at what it tells us about climate sensitivity. Spoiler alert: the news is good if you’re worried about catastrophic warming.
The Basic Setup
Figure 1 shows the concept. We divide Earth into a hot zone,extending from the equator to some latitude θ, and two cold zones, poleward of θ. Heat flows from hot to cold, driven by the temperature difference.

Figure 1. The spherical cow … er, spherical Earth model. There is a hot equatorial zone of area A_H with an average temperature T_H. There are two cold polar zones of total area A_L with an average temperature T_L). Heat flow q moves from hot to cold.
Now, before anyone objects that this is ridiculously oversimplified, let me show you what the real Earth looks like in terms of energy balance:

Figure 2a. The actual Earth’s hot and cold zones, as determined by the gridded top-of-atmosphere radiation balance from CERES satellite data. The tropics export energy (red), and the polar regions import it (blue). Note that the deserts—Sahara, Arabia, Australia, Gobi—are actually in the cold zone despite being hot. They radiate more energy than they absorb.
The similarity is striking. The real Earth organizes itself into these zones naturally. The model just captures this organization mathematically. And the division into these zones is surprisingly stable over time.

Figure 2b. Annual average hot and cold zones, 2001 to 2024
Note how the Sahara, Arabia, and Gobi deserts protrude down into the hot zone. This leads to some offsets in the results, as discussed below.
The Energy Balance
Being a simple fellow, I started with Bejan’s simple energy balance equations. The hot zone receives solar energy based on its projected area, reduced by its albedo (the fraction of incoming solar radiation reflected by the planet, “albedo_H”):
Energy in = (projected area) × (1 − albedo_H) × (solar constant) [Equation 1]
The hot zone radiates energy to space, reduced by the greenhouse fraction “greenhouse_H”. This is the percentage of upwelling thermal radiation from the surface that is absorbed by the clouds, water vapor, and the radiatively active gases.
Energy out = (area) × (1 − greenhouse_H) × σ × T_H^4 [Equation 2]
where σ is the Stefan-Boltzmann constant and greenhouse_H is the fraction of surface radiation absorbed by the atmosphere.
The same things are true for the cold zones. They absorb solar radiation mediated by albedo and emit thermal radiation to space, regulated by the greenhouse fraction.
The difference between incoming and outgoing power in each zone must equal the heat flow q between the zones. Energy is conserved—it has to go somewhere.
So far, nothing fancy. Just bookkeeping.
The Heat Transport
Here’s where it gets interesting. How much heat flows from the hot zone to the cold zone? Bejan and Reis showed that for buoyancy-driven atmospheric circulation, the heat flow should vary as:
q = C × (T_H − T_L)(3/2) [Equation 3]
where q is the heat flow and C is a thermal conductance factor representing how easily the heat is conducted from the hot to the cold zones.
According to Bejan, the 3/2 power law comes from the physics of convection. Warmer air rises, cooler air sinks, and the flow rate depends on the temperature difference in a very specific way. The constant C depends on atmospheric properties and circulation patterns.
Now we have five unknowns (T_H, T_L, q, the fraction x of Earth’s surface in the hot zone, and the conductance factor C), and three equations. How do we close the system?
Enter the Constructal Law
Here’s where Bejan’s insight comes in. The system evolves to maximize the heat flow q. Why? Because the climate is a heat engine, with the tropics as the hot reservoir and the poles as the cold reservoir. But unlike a car engine that delivers power to the wheels, Earth’s climate engine is permanently coupled to its “brake”—all the power it generates gets dissipated immediately through friction in winds and ocean currents.
For such a system—an engine hard-wired to its brake—maximum power production equals maximum dissipation, which means maximum heat flow. The atmosphere and ocean organize themselves to achieve this.
So the fourth equation is simply:
dq/dx = 0 [Equation 4]
Making It Work
I implemented this as a nested optimization problem in R. For any given value of x, I first solve for the values of T_H, T_L, and q that satisfy the three energy balance equations. Then I vary x to find the value that maximizes q. Finally, I optimize the value of C, the conductance, to agree with the distance between T_H and T_L. (T_H minus T_L) It’s optimization within optimization.
The original Bejan/Reis model used global average values for albedo and greenhouse effect. I improved this by using separate values for each zone, derived from CERES satellite data. Tropical regions have lower albedo (less ice and snow) and higher greenhouse effect (more water vapor) than polar regions. This matters.
I also added one more refinement. As you can see in my previous model analysis linked to above, the original model had a slight drift in temperatures over time.

Figure 3a. Results of my previous model incarnation, which shows an anomalous trend in the modeled temperatures
After too much investigation, I realized that this is because my model neglected the heat absorbed by the oceans. This flow was also not included in the Bejan model shown in Figure 1 above. I added this as a small tunable parameter for each zone.
So how many parameters does this model have? Let’s count:
- Albedo in hot zone (measured from CERES data)
- Albedo in cold zone (measured from CERES data)
- Greenhouse fraction in hot zone (measured from CERES data)
- Greenhouse fraction in cold zone (measured from CERES data)
- Conductance C^(3/2) (tuned parameter)
- Ocean heat absorption, hot zone (tuned)
- Ocean heat absorption, cold zone (tuned)
That’s four measured parameters and three tuned ones. Compare that to the thousands of parameters in comprehensive climate models. It’s a spherical cow.
The Results: Temperatures
OK, enough theory. Does it work? Figure 3b shows 24 years of data (2001-2024) comparing CERES satellite surface temperature observations to the Constructal model emulation. This is the corrected version of Figure 3a above.

Figure 3b. Annual mean temperatures. Blue/cyan: CERES satellite observations. Red/orange: Constructal model predictions. Top: hot zone temperature T_H. Bottom: cold zone temperature T_L.
The agreement with the actual real-world temperatures of the hot and cold zones is remarkable, given that nowhere is the model tuned to produce them. At this scale, they are so close that you can only see the difference between reality and the model around 2010.The model gets the absolute temperatures right within 0.1°C on average. It also tracks the year-to-year variations. It captures the slight warming trend. And remember—this is a model of a featureless sphere with no continents, no oceans, no mountains, no ice sheets, nothing.
Next, here’s a close-up of the hot zone temperatures shown in Figure 3b above:

Figure 4. Detailed view of hot zone temperatures. CERES data (blue) and model (red). Root mean square error: 0.20°C. Correlation of interannual variations: r = 0.56, p < 0.001.
The main difference between the model and reality is that the swings in the modeled temperature are somewhat larger than the swings in the real world. I suspect this is because the model assumes that the losses are all temperature-controlled, and also, in the model, there’s no atmospheric absorption of the sunlight. Both of these omissions increase the size of the swings.
Next, the cold zone results:

Figure 5. Cold zone temperatures. CERES data (cyan) and model (orange). RMSE: 0.13°C. Correlation: r = 0.71, p < 0.001.
The fit in the cold zone is better than in the hot zone, although again the swings are exaggerated in the model.
This shows that the model isn’t just matching the average temperatures—it’s capturing the dynamic annual changes in temperature as well.
The Hot Zone Boundary
The model predicts that the boundary between hot and cold zones should be at about 36° North and South latitude. The actual boundary, based on where top-of-atmosphere radiation balance crosses zero, is at around 34°. The model is off by about 2°, or about 220 kilometers.
Not bad for a model that doesn’t know about Hadley cells, polar cells, El Nino/La Nina, jet streams, Gulf Streams, or any of the detailed atmospheric and oceanic circulation patterns. Those patterns emerge naturally from maximizing heat transport.
Figure 6 shows how the boundaries compare by year:

Figure 6. Boundaries of Earth’s hot zone. Blue: CERES observations. Red: Model predictions. The model boundary is about 2.4° wider than observed.
The model tracks the variations well. The offset in the boundaries exists because in the real Earth, the major deserts (Sahara, Arabia, Australia, Gobi) are in the cold zone—they radiate more than they absorb. See Figures 2a and 2b above. But in the smooth-sphere model, those latitudes are in the hot zone. This makes the model’s hot zone larger than reality.
Despite this, the model captures the year-to-year changes quite well. Figure 7 shows the anomalies (variations around the mean) of the latitude of the boundary between hot and cold:

Figure 7. Anomalies in hot zone area. Blue: CERES. Red: Model. When you remove the offset, the model tracks the variations quite well.
This is doing a workmanlike job of calculating both the annual variations in the size of the hot zone and the overall trend of hot zone size over the period of record.
And to close the circle on this part of the analysis, here’s Figure 2 with the Constructal model hot zone boundaries overlaid on it.

Figure 8. As in Figure 2, but with the modeled boundaries overlaid on it (yellow/gray dotted lines).
Here you can see why the actual earth’s total hot zone area is slightly smaller than that of the model—the areas in green which are cold zone intruding into the model-simulated hot zone.
Heat Flow
Now for the crucial test. The Constructal Law says the system maximizes heat flow. Does the model get the heat flow right?
Figure 9 shows the total poleward heat transport:

Figure 9. Annual heat flow from tropics to poles, in petawatts (PW = 10^15 watts, left scale) and the equivalent global heat flow (petawatts divided by global surface area, W/m2, right scale). Blue: CERES. Red: Model.
The model shows a significantly higher heat flow than observed (14.9 PW modeled vs. 12.3 PW observed). This is for the same reason the area of the hot zone is larger as discussed above—those deserts that are in the cold zone in the real world but in the hot zone in the model. This means the model is absorbing more solar power than the real world in the hot zones and transferring it to the poles. So the total flow is too large, by a globally averaged value of ~ 5 W/m2. But look at the heat flow anomalies below:

Figure 10. Heat flow anomalies. Blue: CERES. Red: Model. RMSE: 0.04 PW. The model captures year-to-year variations almost perfectly.
That RMSE of 0.04 PW is tiny compared to the year-to-year variations. The model is faithfully capturing the dynamics of heat transport using only annually updated albedo and greenhouse parameters as input. That validates that we are seeing the Constructal Law at work.
Climate Sensitivity
Finally, what does this model tell us about climate sensitivity—how much warming would we get from doubling atmospheric CO₂?
To determine that, I ran the model with a uniform increase in downwelling radiation of 3.7 W/m², the IPCC standard assumed forcing from doubled CO₂. The model predicts:
- Hot zone warms by 1.09°C
- Cold zone warms by 1.12°C
- Global average warms by 1.10°C
So the equilibrium climate sensitivity is about 1.1°C per doubling of CO₂.
But wait, there’s more. And this is important. This value is a maximum estimate because the model doesn’t include negative feedbacks from a host of emergent climate phenomena like thunderstorm responses, El Nino/La Nina events, tornadoes, and other phenomena which I’ve written about extensively in my thunderstorm thermostat posts. Those feedbacks all oppose surface warming by transferring heat from the surface to the atmosphere. As a result, the real climate sensitivity is likely lower than shown above.
In addition, total known fossil fuel reserves contain about 4,780 gigatonnes of CO2. This is not total proven reserves, those we know we can get to within budget. This is everything we know about, whether or not it actually is economically recoverable with today’s technology.
At 17.4 Gt CO2 added per each ppmv increase, that will increase the atmospheric CO2 by 275 ppmv … and since we have ~ 420 ppmv of CO2, it’s unlikely that we’ll ever see a doubling of CO2 from here.
And with a sensitivity of 1.1°C from doubling, this implies a maximum temperature increase on the order of log2((275 + 420) / 420) * 1.1 = 0.8°C … Thermageddon™ cancelled, sorry, no refunds.
Is this sensitivity believable? The IPCC’s range for climate sensitivity is 1.5°C to 4.5°C per doubling. The Constructal model puts it at 1.1°C, below the IPCC’s lower bound. However, this is in the same range of observational estimates from Lewis and Curry and others who’ve analyzed the actual warming we’ve seen.
For comparison, here’s the history of climate sensitivity estimates:

Figure 11. Historical estimates of equilibrium climate sensitivity. The range of the estimates has actually gotten wider over time. That tells you something about how well we understand the climate.
Climate sensitivity is a, perhaps the, biggest unknown in climate science. Note that the uncertainty of the climate sensitivity has increased, despite hundreds of thousands of hours of computer time and human research. That’s not how science is supposed to work. To me, it strongly suggests our current climate models have been barking up the wrong tree.
What This Tells Us
The success of this ultra-simple spherical cow model reveals some profound things about how climate works:
1. Optimization trumps complexity. You don’t need to simulate every cloud, every ocean eddy, every rainstorm to understand the big picture. The climate organizes itself according to simple principles—it maximizes heat transport, subject to radiative constraints.
2. The ocean’s role is simpler than we thought. The model treats Earth as a uniform sphere—no explicit ocean, no currents, no thermohaline circulation. Yet it works, and works very well. This suggests the ocean’s main climate role is facilitating heat transport (captured in that conductance parameter C), not creating fundamentally new dynamics that require detailed representation.
3. Circulation patterns emerge. The model predicts a hot/cold boundary near 34°N/S—where the Hadley cell meets the Ferrel cell in the real atmosphere. The model doesn’t know about these circulation cells. They emerge from the optimization. The atmosphere organizes itself into Hadley and polar cells because that configuration maximizes heat transport.
4. Less is more. This model has seven parameters (four measured, three tuned). Comprehensive climate models have hundreds. Yet this simple model matches observations as well as or better than the complex ones for these fundamental variables of hot and cold zone temperatures, hot zone area, and heat flow. Occam’s razor suggests we should pay attention to that.
5. It demonstrates and validates the importance of the albedo and the poorly-named “greenhouse effect”. Clearly, those two variables alone have an overwhelming importance in the way that the climate organizes itself.
6. It makes intuitive sense. Albedo and the greenhouse fraction respectively control the amount of energy entering and leaving the system. And from basic physics, this makes sense—we’d expect the global temperature to be a function of the energy entering the system minus energy leaving the system. However, it is not a simple function of those two values. Instead, following the Constructal Law, the system constantly rearranges itself to maximize the energy flow given those two values.
7. Current climate models are going down the wrong path. This model clearly shows the underlying Constructal structure and action of the climate, a structure that is not emulated by the current generation of climate models.
Limitations
Now, I’m not claiming this model can do everything. It can’t. It has obvious limitations:
- Only two zones, so no gradients within zones and no longitudinal (east-west) variations
- Annual averages only, so no seasonal or daily cycles
- Simplified transport physics lumped into one parameter
- No ocean, no land. If nothing else, the thermal conductance factor C will be different in those two regimes.
- No explicit clouds, water vapor changes, ice-albedo feedback, or vegetation
- Simple greenhouse treatment
Future work should address these. A multi-zone model with finer resolution. Adding seasonal cycles. Explicitly modeling thunderstorm convection and ocean circulation. Including the desert areas as part of the cold zones. Coupling to detailed radiative transfer models.
But the point is, it works now despite its simplicity. That tells us something important about nature’s organizing principles.
Not Maximum Entropy Production
Some folks confuse the Constructal Law with Maximum Entropy Production (MEP). They’re related but different.
MEP says systems evolve to maximize entropy generation—maximum dissipation. For Earth’s climate, that’s sort of true. But Bejan’s Constructal Law is more general. It says flow systems evolve to maximize flow access, not necessarily dissipation. For an engine that can deliver power externally (like your car), Constructal Law predicts minimum dissipation. For an engine coupled to its brake (like Earth), it predicts maximum dissipation.
Earth just happens to be the second case. The Constructal Law explains both. MEP only explains the Earth. The success of this model validates the more general Constructal principle.
Where We Stand
Let me summarize what we’ve got here:
- A computational climate model based on Constructal optimization of heat flow
- Validated against 24 years of CERES satellite data
- Matches absolute temperatures within 0.1°C average (RMSE 0.13-0.20 K)
- Matches hot zone area within 2° latitude
- Captures interannual temperature variability and trends of the two zones (correlations 0.56-0.74)
- Predicts heat flux variations with RMSE of 0.04 PW
- Uses minimal parameterization—four measured quantities plus three tuned parameters
- Predicts climate sensitivity of 1.1°C per doubling of CO₂ as an emergent property, not a tuned value
This ultra-simple smooth sphere model, with no ocean or land or topography, successfully reproduces observed temperatures, circulation patterns, and power flow with unprecedented accuracy. I don’t know of any comprehensive climate model that achieves this level of skill, regardless of its level of complexity.
And it shows that every once in a while … an über-simplified model of a spherical cow in a vacuum actually does work …
CODA:
The Constructal climate model has two input variables—greenhouse fraction and albedo. It’s worth noting that the albedo and the greenhouse fraction are both functions inter alia of thunderstorms and clouds.
The surface is constantly emitting thermal radiation upwards (“upwelling radiation”). Some of this upwelling radiation is absorbed by the clouds and the “greenhouse gases”. The greenhouse fraction is the percentage of the upwelling radiation that is absorbed in the atmosphere. Figure 12 below shows how that differs around the world.

Figure 12. Average greenhouse fraction, CERES data.
As you can see, the areas of largest absorption enclosed by the 45% greenhouse fraction contour line are the great band of thunderstorms that stretches around the world at the Inter-Tropical Convergence Zone (ITCZ) just north of the equator.
Next, here is a map of the albedo, overlaid with the 45% greenhouse fraction contour line.

Figure 13. Average albedo, CERES data
Note that the areas of high albedo line up with the areas of high greenhouse fraction.
And to verify that this is indeed related to thunderstorms, here is the rainfall from the Tropical Rainfall Measuring Mission satellite observation.

Figure 14. Average monthly rainfall as measured by the TRMM
And that’s all I have for now, dear friends … tomorrow is a new day, always more to learn.
Here on our Northern California coastal hillside, we had rain yesterday—blessed rain after a dry spell. The weather systems that brought it organized themselves according to the same principles this model uses: maximize heat and moisture transport from where there’s an excess to where there’s a deficit. It’s beautiful to see the same physics working at scales from individual storms to the global circulation.
My warmest regards to all, my thanks to Adrian Bejan for illuminating conversations about Constructal theory, and to Umit Gunes and Pezhman Manipour for organizing the conference.
w.
As Is My Custom: When you comment, please quote the exact words you’re discussing, so we can all be clear on the exact topic under discussion.
References and Data
CERES data are from NASA Langley Research Center (https://ceres.larc.nasa.gov/). Key papers:
- Bejan & Reis (2005), “Thermodynamic optimization of global circulation and climate,” Int. J. Energy Res.
- Reis & Bejan (2006), “Constructal theory of global circulation and climate,” Int. J. Heat Mass Transfer
- Loeb et al. (2018), “Clouds and the Earth’s Radiant Energy System (CERES) EBAF data product,” J. Climate
Hey Willis, I’ve been following your blog posts for many years. Nice seeing you here, supporting the cause. I’m the guy who made the bathroom meme with the golfer, based on your karma joke. Have a merry Christmas, and Happy New Year too! 😁👍
GHE theory says that without it Earth becomes 33 C cooler, an average 255 K, -18 C, ball of ice.
Wrong.
Without the GHE Earth would have no water vapor, clouds, snow, ice, oceans or 30% albedo becoming much like the Moon, a barren rock ball 400 K lit side, 100 K dark.
TFK_bams09 heat balance graphic uses the same 63 twice violating GAAP & calculates out of thin air a 396 BB/333 “back”/63 net GHE radiative forcing loop violating LoT 1 & 2.
Wrong.
Likewise, the ubiquitous plethora of clones.
GHE theory requires Earth to radiate “extra” GHE energy as a thermodynamic black body.
Wrong.
A BB requires all the energy leaving the system to do so by radiation. TFK_bams09 shows 60% of the surface energy upwelling by kinetic modes, i.e. conduction, convection, advection and latent there by rendering BB impossible.
GHE is bogus and CAGW a scam so alarmists must resort to fear mongering, lies, lawsuits, censorship and violence.
I know what GHE and CAGW stand for in your comment, but what is BB? And what is TFK_bams09?
BB is black body.
TFK_bams09 is the username of the graphic’s creator.
Oh my, Nicholas…the temperature of the Earth’s surface is 288K which means the surface radiates upwards approx 390 W/m^2 BUT incoming solar minus reflected sunlight totals 240 W/m^2. And outgoing IR as measured by satellites (top of atmosphere, not surface) seems to match that 240 average pretty well (expected, since that’s how the albedo calcs are confirmed). So a GHE of 390-240=150 W/m^2 must obviously exist from top of atmosphere downwards. To claim otherwise is just going to lose you an argument with any scientifically minded person. But as far as the “C” in CAGW, I agree it is about 98% doomscroller clickbait.
Let me give you yesterday’s lesson on “back” radiation again…maybe try to read all the way through it this time….
Nicholas, on your diagram you have made red circles and yellow boxes and seem to be generally confused about “back” radiation. Let me try to explain it.
Say your face is 32C and your bathroom mirror is 22 C.
Say emissivity =1 for simplicity.
And Watts/m^2= sigma T^4, the Stefan Boltzmann equation. Plus we’re actually ignoring the reflection of the mirror….ok then, it’s not a mirror, it’s just a patch of wall….
Face the mirror or patch of wall….
Your face radiates 490 W/m^2 toward the mirror, while the mirror radiates 418 W/m^2 back towards your face. The net 72 Watt/m^2 is what your metabolism must supply to your face to keep it at 32 C instead of you cooling down to room temperature.
Does that help your mental picture ?
Climate wise, the Earth’s surface is analogous to your face but emitting at 288 K, while the mirror sized patch of wall is the “sky” at an SB temp 277 K or about 4C (corresponding to 333 watts), which is a mosaic of outer space at -273 C, cloud bottoms of 0 C, cirrus clouds of -50 C, and mostly water vapor and CO2 below the clouds varying from 0 C to 15 C.
Hope this clears up your mental impasse concerning “back” radiation and the SB equation compared to what you thought you knew about the 2nd Law of thermodynamics. “Back” radiation isn’t “heat” flowing the wrong way…it’s just “heat” that can’t flow from warm to cold by virtue of the cold body having some temperature warmer than absolute zero.
“the temperature of the Earth’s surface is 288C”
Where?
I assume he meant K.
Thanks, guys, fixed.
w.
Thanks, Willis.
If you click on the image, it will expand and become clear. Click on the “X” in the circle to contract the image and return to Comments.
Ahem!
I suspect that the people who are worried about catastrophic warming self-divide into two groups:
Everyone else will enjoy this good news because they are worried about those two groups, not catastrophic warming.
Well done. A most elegant piece of work, Willis.
Question: how does this link to the Javier Vinos Winter Gatekeeper hypothesis?
If not, why not?
Not sure, John. I’ve stayed away just because Javier has been mondo unpleasant to me in the past.
In any case, Javier says that solar variability modulates how much heat is transported to the poles in winter by influencing the stratosphere, polar vortex, planetary waves, and modes like ENSO, NAO, etc. Small changes in solar activity are proposed to have outsized climatic effects because they alter dynamical pathways and the residence time of existing heat in the system, rather than significantly changing the top-of-atmosphere energy input.
If this were true, we’d see an ~ 11-year signal linked to the variable 11-year sunspot cycle. I’ve looked and looked for such a signal and never found it. See below.
w.
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So once again, I have donned my Don Quijote armor and continued my quest for a ~11-year sunspot-related solar signal in some surface weather dataset. My plan for the quest has been simple. It is based on the fact that all of the phenomena commonly credited with affecting the temperature,…
Solar Periodicity 2014-04-10
I was pointed to a 2010 post by Dr. Roy Spencer over at his always interesting blog. In it, he says that he can show a relationship between total solar irradiance (TSI) and the HadCRUT3 global surface temperature anomalies. TSI is the strength of the sun’s energy at a specified distance…
Riding A Mathemagical Solarcycle 2014-01-22
Among the papers in the Copernicus Special Issue of Pattern Recognition in Physics we find a paper from R. J. Salvador in which he says he has developed A mathematical model of the sunspot cycle for the past 1000 yr. Setting aside the difficulties of verification of sunspot numbers for…
Sunspots and Sea Level 2014-01-21
I came across a curious graph and claim today in a peer-reviewed scientific paper. Here’s the graph relating sunspots and the change in sea level: And here is the claim about the graph: Sea level change and solar activity A stronger effect related to solar cycles is seen in Fig.…
My Thanks Apologies And Reply To Dr Nir Shaviv 2015-08-17
Dr. Nir Shaviv has kindly replied in the comments to my previous post. There, he says: Nir Shaviv” August 15, 2015 at 2:51 pm There is very little truth about any of the points raised by Eschenbach in this article. In particular, his analysis excludes the fact that the o…
23 New Papers 2015-09-22
Over at Pierre Gosselin’s site, NoTricksZone, he’s trumpeting the fact that there are a bunch of new papers showing a solar effect on the climate. The headline is Already 23 Papers Supporting Sun As Major Climate Factor In 2015 “Burgeoning Evidence No Longer Dismissible!…
Sunny Spots Along the Parana River 2014-01-25
In a comment on a recent post, I was pointed to a study making the following surprising claim: Here, we analyze the stream flow of one of the largest rivers in the world, the Parana ́ in southeastern South America. For the last century, we find a strong correlation with…
Sunspots and Sea Surface Temperature 2014-06-06
I thought I was done with sunspots … but as the well-known climate scientist Michael Corleone once remarked, “Just when I thought I was out … they pull me back in”. In this case Marcel Crok, the well-known Dutch climate writer, asked me if I’d seen the paper from Nir…
Is The Signal Detectable 2015-08-19
[UPDATE] In the comments, Nick Stokes pointed out that although I thought that Dr. Shaviv’s harmonic solar component was a 12.6 year sine wave with a standard deviation of 1.7 centimetres, it is actually a 12.6 year sine wave with a standard deviation of 1.7 millime…
It’s The Evidence, Stupid! 2014-05-24
I hear a lot of folks give the following explanation for the vagaries of the climate, viz: It’s the sun, stupid. And in fact, when I first started looking at the climate I thought the very same thing. How could it not be the sun, I reasoned, since obviously that’s…
Early Sunspots and Volcanoes 2015-02-10
Well, as often happens I started out in one direction and then I got sidetractored … I wanted to respond to Michele Casati’s claim in the comments of my last post. His claim was that if we include the Maunder Minimum in the 1600’s, it’s clear that volcanoes with a…
The Missing 11 Year Signal 2015-08-19
Dr. Nir Shaviv and others strongly believe that there is an ~ 11-year solar signal visible in the sea level height data. I don’t think such a signal is visible. So I decided to look for it another way, one I’d not seen used before. One of the more sensitive …
The New Sunspot Data And Satellite Sea Levels 2015-08-13
[UPDATE:”Upon reading Dr. Shaviv’s reply to this post, I have withdrawn any mention of “deceptive” from this post. This term was over the top, as it ascribed motive to the authors. I have replaced the term with “misleading”. This is more accurate…
Cosmic Disconnections 2016-04-09
I read yesterday that someone had supposedly provided evidence in support of Svensmark’s hypothesis that cosmic rays affect the weather. So I went to look it up. The study is called Cloud cover anomalies at middle latitudes: links to troposphere dynamics and solar variability, by S. Veretenenkoa and…
CEEMD and Sunspots 2016-04-20
I’ve been investigating the use of the “complete ensemble empirical mode decomposition” (CEEMD) analysis method, which I discussed in a previous post entitled Noise-Assisted Data Analysis. One of the big insights leading to modern signal analysis was the brilliant idea of Joseph Fourier. He realized…
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More On Svensmark and Cosmic Rays 2017-12-26
Last week, Anthony highlighted a study by Svensmark, Shaviv et al. in a post entitled New paper: The missing link between cosmic rays, clouds, and climate change on Earth. While some were enthusiastic about their claims, Leif Svalgaard and I were much more restrained in our opinions. As a result, I …
Scottish Sunspots 2018-10-28
In a recent post, Anthony published Leif Svalgaard’s new paper showing 9,000 years of reconstructed solar activity. In the discussion, someone pointed out that the “Maunder Minimum”, a time of very low solar activity, corresponds with the coldest decade in a long-term reconstruction of summer temper…
Was Extreme Ultraviolet an Andy Warhol Actress? 2018-09-07
When folks tell me that the sunspot-related changes in total solar irradiance make changes down here on the surface of our amazing planet, I suggest that they take a look at the numbers. From peak to trough over the sunspot cycle, the top-of-atmosphere total solar irr…
The Cosmic Problem With Rays 2016-10-17
Normal carbon has six neutrons and six protons, for an atomic weight of twelve. However, there is a slightly different form of carbon which has two extra neutrons. That form of carbon, called carbon-14 or “14C”, has an atomic weight of fourteen. It is known to be formed by the interaction of high-en…
Sunspots: Labitzke Meets Bonferroni 2019-02-25
In a previous thread here on WUWT, a commenter said that the sunspot-related variations in solar output were shown by Labitzke et al. to affect the stratospheric temperature over the North Pole, viz: And when I went and got the data from the Freie Universit√§t Berlin, I was able to replicate their re…
Long Temperature Records and Sunspot Minima 2018-03-18
Well, folks were complaining that my graph of the CET compared to the centennial solar minima was just one location, England. So here are the five European temperature records which start before 1815. Now, if the theory of the solar/temperature connection is correct, the temperatures should start tr…
How Much Sun Could A Sunshine Shine? 2019-11-23
It has been pointed out that while many of the global climate models (GCMs) are not all that good at forecasting future climate, they all do quite well at hindcasting the 20th-century global temperature anomaly [edited for clarity ‚Äì w.]. Curious, that. So I was interested in a paper from August of t…
Sunspots, Verse 25 2020-02-04
I started out as a true believer that sunspots (or something that changes in sync with sunspots, like heliomagnetism, cosmic rays, solar wind, etc.) had a strong effect on the weather. When I was a kid I read that the great British astronomer William Hershel had said that British wheat prices were a…
Sharpening a Cyclical Shovel 2016-11-03
There are a number of lovely folks in this world who know how to use a shovel, but who have never sharpened a shovel. I’m not one of them. I like to keep my tools sharp and to understand their oddities. So I periodically think up and run new tests of some of the tools that I use. Now, a while ago I …
Chinese Sunspots 2016-09-12
I see that there is a new paper from China causing a great disturbance in the solar force —as discussed here on WUWT, the claim is that the El Nino Modoki Index, which is an index of sea surface temperatures, is significantly affected by some sunspo…
… as I said, I’ve taken a hard look for a sunspot—weather connection with no success.
w.
That’s a pretty incredible amount of bunk-breaking. Kudos to WE for a couple of orders more effort than most analysts would undertake.
Thank you for these references, I can see a week’s worth of reading coming up. Sorry to learn that Javier and you have had a divergence of views.
I found his book to be very insightful from the perspective of climate variations over geological timescales and, as an engineer, the logic of a heat engine absorbing energy in the tropics and radiating it from the polar regions is compelling.
But, your contributions are equally fascinating, especially the notion that the atmospheric systems must be self-regulating. Your post on afternoon thunderstorms in the tropics is especially memorable.
One of these days I’ll get round to attempting some SMEED curve fitting to my solar panel dataset.
Season’s greetings to you and your gorgeous ex-fiancée.
Thanks, John. Best to you and yours as well.
w.
Willis says: “Javier has been mondo unpleasant to me in the past.”
That would be because you have been mondo unpleasant to me in the past. I never start a fight. I am an easy going person, much easier than you.
It is good to hear you are finally moving to heat transport as the main variable in climate change. Richard Lindzen and I have been there all along.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwDZTIZLhOA
The solar effect on heat transport is just a part of what I defend. What I defend is that thermodynamic changes within the climate system rule climate change, and not radiative changes. Since we now agree on that, perhaps a better understanding between us is possible. The solar part we still disagree, but the evidence is clear despite you not finding it. I present part of it in the video. As per your model, the evidence has to be searched in the Arctic and northern mid-latitudes, the part most affected by the changes in heat transport. That’s where I found it.
I like your transport model. I do not find it surprising that it reproduces CERES observations since CERES observations ARE the input of the model. CERES in, CERES out.
Regarding sensitivity, if you only consider CO₂, that is what you get, 1.1°C/doubling. That is the no-feedback sensitivity of CO₂ coming exclusively from its radiative effects. Still, that doesn’t get us any closer to the actual sensitivity, because the climate system reacts to changes and nobody knows how to measure that reaction. Your model does not include feedback, so it cannot tell us that. But even if it did, the feedback would be just a guess as are the feedback factors used by the IPCC crowd.
Good to see you going in the right direction. The emergent phenomena that you were focusing on before do not change the climate, they just oppose the change. Heat transport is the key.
Thanks, Javier. You say:
Did you read my post and understand the model? It is built around albedo and the greenhouse factor, which control … radiative changes. So no, we don’t agree on that.
Next, you say:
Please provide a non-video link to the evidence you are referring to. Thanks.
Say what? It’s not “CERES in, CERES out”. It’s albedo and greenhouse fraction in, temperature out, and as far as I know, I’m the first one to show it. I was surprised that the model was so accurate … so what makes you so jaded?
Again, say what? The model shows exactly how the climate system reacts to changes in the albedo and the greenhouse fraction.
Indeed. My model predicts exactly the anomalies in heat transport. Unless I missed it, your model does not.
And that does not mean that emergent phenomena don’t have a large effect on the climate.
I await your evidence that solar variation causes changes in some surface weather phenomena. What I can find is that you say that low solar activity promotes La Niña or neutral conditions (cooling), while high solar activity suppresses the heat shedding associated with these phases.
Here’s a scatterplot of monthly sunspots and monthly NINO34 index values. No relation at all.
Best regards,
w.
It is great to have a ringside seat of the idea exchange between two very intelligent people. At least both agree on a max of 1.1 C for doubling of CO2, and that doubling is not even possible.
We need more CO2 ppm to increase flora and fauna, reduce desert areas, and increase crop yields per acre to better feed 8 billion people
How come very high levels of CO2 ppm occurred in the distant past?
Willis, I’m afraid you been misled by Nature’s head fake. Sunspots are a proxy for solar activity, they are not solar activity. The small variations in TSI associated with sunspots don’t affect climate. In fact, there’s what I call a Schwabe notch in the temperature spectrum.
By virtue of being a multiple of 11 years, my 99-year moving average model used to predict temperature from sunspot data naturally attenuates the 11-year cycle, but I can improve accuracy by suppressing it even further by adding an 11-year notch filter.
For periods longer than 11 years, the frequency response between predicted temperature and sunspots is a very close match to the response between actual temperature and sunspots. With enough coherent averaging it’s even possible to show that weather cycles are also linked to solar activity.
Understanding how the moving-average model worked led me to the realization that the Jovian planets likely modulated solar activity. How, I can’t say. Nor can I say how the Sun modulates climate, but I can show they’re related. My research has led to the discovery of several cycles. The 3.5kyr cycle may be the most important. I hope to provide more detail in January.
Not all cycles are integrally related to 3.5kyr. For example, a 2400-year Bray cycle would appear inverted after a 3.5kyr shift,
Without accounting for variations in solar activity, your spherical cow model will never be accurate.
Thanks, Robert. That’s a lot to unpack, so I’ll eat it the way you eat an elephant.
You say:
I never said sunspots ARE solar activity. The reason I use them is that virtually all of the solar phenomena (changes in UV, changes in TSI, changes in geomagnetism, etc) move in lockstep with sunspots. Thus, ANY solar related phenomena should exhibit an ~ 11-year cycle that lines up with the sunspots in some fashion. I’ve never found such evidence.
First, a moving average (also called a “boxcar filter”) is a horrible way to smooth a dataset, because of the “ringing” in the ends and because it easily turns troughs into peaks. Here’s an 11-year boxcar filter applied to sunspots.
Note how it inverts the signal.
Next, we have ~ 250 years of sunspot data. Using a 99-year filter on a 250-year dataset is fraught with problems. For this kind of an analysis I use CEEMD, Complete Ensemble Empirical Mode Decomposition. See my post “Noise Assisted Data Analysis“.
Here’s the CEEMD analysis of the sunspots data and the temperature data.
As you can see, there’s no similarity between the two.
So I’m not clear what you are measuring or how you are measuring, but I’m not seeing the relationship between sunspots, where the biggest peak is at 11 years with a smaller peak at 12 years, and the temperature data with the biggest peak at 9 years and a smaller peak at 21 years, neither of which are present in the sunspot data.
Finally, I have no clue how you produced your “sunspot model only prediction”. Solar activity has been decreasing since ~ 1960, while temperatures have increased.
So I’m sorry, but I’m not seeing it.
w.
Willis, it took me almost one year to figure out how the boxcar filter decoded sunspot data, and why it has to be 98-99 years long. If it was a smoothing filter, the length wouldn’t be critical. That it was critical concerned me for quite a while until I figured out how information was encoded in the sunspot signal. The filter is simultaneously performing four different functions. I kept at this because the results were so compelling,
Here are three more reconstructions. Note that after shifting, the termination of the Younger-Dryas aligns with the 8.2ka event. If you think this can be explained without solar influence and orbital synchronization, I’m all ears. Note that the shift value is constant and was not adjusted to any of the climate records.
Like a runny nose is to a cold, sunspots are a symptom, not the cause. Willis does not find the signal because there is none that can be determined. There are other measures at play that should be quantified. Stats and modelling are 30 years in my past and was still a rookie at it. But there should be a combination of magnetic fields, variable ‘fusion’, and X that are the output to explain it. Instead, we are just looking for a runny nose.
Granny on The Beverly Hillbillies had a cure for the common cold. Took the whole show to make it. You take it, then in a couple of weeks, you are cured.
Gotta love folks like g3ellis who stand on the sidelines, wave their hands and say magic words like “magnetic fields” and “X”, then claim I’m looking for the wrong thing or in the wrong way without even hazarding a guess about the right thing or the right way.
Me, I’m with Teddy Roosevelt, who said
Best to all,
w.
Thanks, Robert. My problem with your theory is that it presupposes that a time of high sunspots almost a century ago has EXACTLY the same effect on today’s temperature as a time of high sunspots last week.
I fear I can’t think of any physical mechanism whereby that could possibly be true.
w.
Willis,
Earlier you stated “Solar activity has been decreasing since ~ 1960, while temperatures have increased”, This statement is mostly true, but what’s missing from the argument is the time constant associated with ocean integration. The delay associated with this integration is why I can predict 13 years into the future.
I think you’re still conflating sunspot amplitude with solar activity. The Centennial Gleissberg cycle is another one of Nature’s head fakes, so, yes, the temperature 100-years ago doesn’t match the sunspot amplitude. Attenuating the cycle is one of the filter’s other functions.
I don’t expect my sunspot research to move the needle for you or many others—it’s not intuitive—which brings us to the 3.5 kyr cycle. I’m putting the finishing touches on a paper that I hope will convince people like you that the Sun, modulated by the Jovian planets, is the primary driver of climate. Sunspots are not a focus of the paper.
If you’d be willing to preview, and privately discuss the paper, contact me using my WUWT email, or, DM your email address to me (see plots).
First, you didn’t answer my question.
“My problem with your theory is that it presupposes that a time of high sunspots almost a century ago has EXACTLY the same effect on today’s temperature as a time of high sunspots last week.
I fear I can’t think of any physical mechanism whereby that could possibly be true.”
Next, the delay between increased or decreased solar hitting the ocean and a change in the ocean temperature is on the order of two months, not years.
Next, nobody can even decide how long the “Gleissberg Cycle” is. One source says:
Trying to establish a ~100 year cycle when we only have ~ 300 years of sunspot data is a fool’s errand.
w.
I did answer your question. Let me repeat and rephrase. The Schwabe and Centennial Gleissberg cycles dominate the sunspot amplitude data, but have little impact on climate. This causes people to wrongly conclude that the Sun has little impact on climate. If you look at the middle panel of this plot, there are many other cycles which do affect climate (e.g. 60 years).
For periods longer than 10 years, the frequency response falls off at 20dB/decade. This is the response of an integrator, or low-pass filter with a very long time constant. An integrator introduces a 90° delay, which for a 60-year cycle would be 15 years. This response is likely dominated by ocean integration (heat content).
It would be foolish to assume that I’ve only analyzed 300 years of sunspot data, especially as I’m also discussing 3,500 year Jovian driven climate cycles.
Thanks, Robert, but you still did not answer my question.
This is the result of using a “boxcar” filter where events at the start of the filter have exactly the same effect on the smoothing that events at the end of the filter have.
To make it clear: what physical mechanism makes it so that events 100 years ago have the same effect as events happening yesterday?
Next, could you please post a link to whatever solar data you are using to look for 3,500 year cycles.
My rule of thumb is that I won’t say there is a stable rhythm without having 5 full cycles of data. For a 3,500 year cycle, that would be 17,500 years …
Best regards,
w.
Willis, I understand where you’re coming from, for the longest time I couldn’t figure out why the Earth would have a rectangular impulse response to solar forcing. It made no sense; one would expect some form of exponential response from a physical system. It also didn’t make sense that the Earth would have a high-Q bandstop filter attenuating 11-year forcing (the Schwabe notch). The answer is it doesn’t because the 11-year cycle is not the forcing function.
One of the datasets I use is a sunspot reconstruction by Usoskin. It has very good resolution, but unfortunately does not contain all of the solar-cycle information I’m interested in. Still, it has enough information to show that the 11-year cycle has a period that is dependent on solar activity.
I also use a 9000-year reconstruction by Wu, C. J. et al. 2018, a similar 9400-year solar activity reconstruction by Steinhilber et al. 2012.
The exact period of the 3,500-year cycle was predicted using 20,000 years of simulated orbital data from the JPL Horizons system.
Is there a reason you’re not answering my question?
Thanks,
w.
Truly excellent Willis, especially the Climate Sensitivity calculation. I’ve been using the works of Lindzen, Happer and van Wijngaarden to (try to) help friends who are still bamboozled, but this is both more compelling and easier to understand.
One quibble: Why are there no refunds to the people, like you and I, who have paid for the “climate crisis”? Perhaps we should call them reparations?
“Why are there no refunds to the people, like you and I, who have paid for the “climate crisis”? Perhaps we should call them reparations?” +1M
Those funds were used for private jet travel to COPs, etc.
Nothing will be available for reparations!!
Manbearpig ate them.
Interesting read and great work Willis.
If this is so great,then
Where’s the milk?
All over your keyboard?
Maybe you’re in the wrong room.
His pail has been empty for a long time.
Ignore!
Occam’s razor! Well done.
Willis,
On first read I looked at pattern anomalies such as the green Sahara desert and part of South Australia in your Fig 8.
Would it be acceptable to think of these as a snapshot in time, catching these areas moving towards optimising the Constructal principles? Or do you view such observations as if they had reached a long term equilibrium of flow? Geoff S
Not sure how this would change over time, at least on any scale less than geological.
w.
Agreed, but then the pattern would need to be influenced by some innate property of the geography. Do you have a candidate property? I am not disagreeing with you, just trying for better understanding – and you have generated a lot of material with this Constructal reasoning. It deserves study. Geoff S
p.s. I remain concerned by uncertainty of the TOA balance measurements.
A supreme lack of moisture and high albedo, which means they radiate excess heat much more efficiently than anywhere else at a similar latitude. That makes them part of the “cold pool” as far as the atmosphere is concerned.
Very nice, WE. You have me convinced.
There is an interesting corollary. About 2010, Curry estimated the no feedbacks ECS to doubled CO2 at about 1.1C. In late 2011, Lindzen estimated 1.2. After Monckton’s ‘irreducible equation’ paper came out, (about 2016) I wrote a guest post over at Judith’s using it and that paper’s parameters to estimate 1.16. Your 1.1 max says net feedback must be at least slightly negative. Yet all IPCC writings and models have it significantly positive.
To be even more specific, feedback can be expressed in terms of the electronic circuit Bode equation. For the formerly canonical IPCC ECS of 3, the corresponding Bode value is +0.65. In reality you show it must be a Bode <=0 !
Thanks, Rud, always great to hear your voice.
Yes, my estimate of 1.1°C per 2xCO2 is not out of line with that of several others. And yes, various ones of my previous posts clearly show that net feedback is negative.
This is to be expected given the stability of the system overall (e.g., less than 1% change in the temperature since 1850).
Finally, I’ll say it again. What is going on with thunderstorms is NOT simple negative feedback. Negative feedback can only reduce a temperature increase.
On the other hand, a thunderstorm drives the surface temperature to BELOW the initiation temperature for the storm. This, along with the variations in the timing of the daily emergence of cumulus fields, functions as an active governor that warms the planet when it is cold and cools it when it is hot.
My best to you,
w.
Yes, climate research has many examples needing clarification if cause and effect. However, the topic can generate heat and confused arguments as the chicken and egg papers of Koutsoyiannis have shown. Geoff S
nonsense, of course. Adding CO2 to air does not make thermometers hotter, no matter how fervently you believe it.
Which Willis has mentioned in the past:
That raises the question, why factor in the 3.7 w/m2 when you know it doesn’t exist? OK, I can see showing that it is minimal even if it existed, but why not show the model without it?
The sad thing is… less than 1% of the population will ever hear about this.
Very impressive Willis – thanks.
“Instead, following the Constructal Law, the system constantly rearranges itself to maximize the energy flow given those two values.”
What used to be called a Pineapple Express and are now “atmospheric rivers” have been pumping energy and moisture into Washington State. Now snowing, for the foreseeable future. Concerning jokes: There is the story about how beautiful the first snow is, and after two weeks – not so much.
I think Pineapple Express still stands, if the driving indicators are coming from Hawaii.
Cliff Mass has me thinking to call a recent one the Philippines Express https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2025/12/the-torrent-has-begun-philippine.html?m=1
I’m still baffled that Willis is reluctant(?)/opposed to(?) having his work published. I get that publishing does not float his boat and I get that to go from something like this post to a publishable paper requires following standard publication requirements involving time and effort he is not willing to expend, which does not even mention dealing with climate catastrophist editors and reviewers.
All that said, maybe a guy like Bejan would be willing to take the lead on all that, add something of substance to the paper and publish as Eschenbach/Bejan or Bejan/Eschenbach, even if in a journal that is not considered “mainstream” for climate science.
The reason I ask/ wonder/ encourage is that I have this maybe mistaken belief that there would be enough climate scientists who would see the truth-value of this work to support it through citation and further research along similar lines. And that this support might grow in time to have an effect on the funding given to the charlatans of climate science, of which there are many. Who funds these guys, after all? It’s the US Federal Government. Those bureaucrat money-givers need “peer reviewed” work like this to justify not giving money to those who have wandered off into fairyland with their bogus models and misuse of empirical data.
I know some think the tide is turning on the gargantuan misuse of our economy to support “green” energy. That’s money coming out of all of our pockets in ways we do not even see, but is so real. However, that tide may be as brief as the current administration. We need a more fundamental tide that cuts across political boundaries. We need a tide that convinces the average voter that their bank account is significantly less than it would be without this green insanity and their grandchildren’s lives would be even better off in a world hardly warmer than today with none of the scary “Day After Tomorrow” scenarios they’re being filled with because some scientists got on a bandwagon they cannot get off.
Thanks, Meisha. I’m in the painful process of writing this up for publication. We’ll see how it plays out.
w.
I can hear the IPCC computer jockeys screaming now! 🙂
Because they will be castrated soon.
Hey Willis, Very interesting post as always. 2 questions (and perhaps I missed this in the reading): It looks like your model is “turned on” in about 2000. Did you have to initialize it with any certain parameters or the initial Ceres data or something ? Second question – given the good match of modeled to observed data, have you considered letting the model run out into the future , as a predictive model & if yes, what where the modeled results / trends?
Thanks!
Thanks, Jeff, good questions.
First, no, I did not “initialize” it in any way. I gave it the albedo and greenhouse factor year by year and calculated each year independent of any other year.
Second, I’ve “run it out into the future” by seeing what would happen if the CO2 doubled … however, I can’t do more than that because we don’t know what the albedo will do in the future.
Regards,
w.
Thanks for the reply ! Ah – yes – this makes more sense to me now. Definitely emphasizes the importance of knowing what drives changes in albedo with time
Second, I’ve “run it out into the future” by seeing what would happen if the CO2 doubled …
Nonsense. Even 100% CO2 makes thermometers no hotter than 100% of any other gas. Only the ignorant and gullible believe otherwise.
RE: Equilibrium Climate Sensitivity (ECS) Is zero.
Scroll down and read my reply to Forrest Gardener about the saturation of absorption of IR light by CO2. Adding CO2 to air to levels much above 300 ppmv will not cause any additional heating of air. Attempts to calculate ECS is meaningless.
To obtain recent temperature data for Death Valley, went to:
https://www.extremeweatherwatch.com/cities/death-valley/average-temperature-by-year. The Tmax and Tmin from 1964 to 2025 and displayed in long table in degrees F. From the data for 2025, the computed Tavg is 26.1° C which is slightly higher than 25.1° C from John Daly’s chart and not significant and within the range of natural variation in temperature at this remote arid desert.
Thanks, Harold. You say:
Now, I have my own explanation of why this isn’t true. But rather than simply answer this myself, I thought I’d learn something in the process.
So I went to perplexity.ai and asked the question in a form that I always ask when I want a complete education on a given subject. Here was my question:
I then added my rather long set of instructions to perplexity about using only verified sources, double-checking all links, prioritizing evidence over models, not using Wikipedia, and the like.
Here’s the answer:
Continued below due to wordpress length limitations.
Willis,
You may be interested in the maximum entropy models of Garth Paltridge (who later became a climate sceptic). Here is his 1979 Nature paper, and here an earlier version without paywall.
Thanks, Nick, appreciated.
w.
May just be my Astigmatism, but, it appears to me the area of “Sahara, Arabia, and Gobi deserts [that] protrude down into the hot zone” evens out the total section in the middle, balancing the land in Southern most America, Africa and Australia. That has a larger portion of Ocean area.
That is a good observation.
They do offset somewhat in area. Not perfectly of course.
Another nit is the southern hemisphere is larger than the northern.
Oblate Spheroid. Unclear how much if any difference that would make.
There I was thinking that Rosie O’Donnel was a spherical cow. Thanks, Willis: Now there’s two.
Fascinating as always Willis, thank you for something fun to research and learn about.
That’s a theoretical physicist. An experimental physicist would fire two cows at each other at high velocity and diagnose the milk issue from the splatter patterns.
Oh, very good, thanks.
w.
How would an engineer approach this?
Probably scrape up what’s left, cook it and eat it. Probably better than road kill. We engineers have to survive somehow……
I would think they’d look through the indexes of a few engineering handbooks, upon finding nothing pertaining to cows, shrug and get back to what they were doing.
Put the cow safely in his pocket protector and plan to examine it later, after dinner.
I think a cow is a torus, topologically speaking.
That’s a load of bull called dunkin (:-))
Surely it doesn’t include positive feedbacks, either? In which case it represents a non-feedback sensitivity that would seem to put your model pretty squarely in line with other similar estimates.
“This model has seven parameters (four measured, three tuned). Comprehensive climate models have hundreds. Yet this simple model matches observations as well as or better than the complex ones …”
And they spent $billions. Willis, how many petaflops in your super computer? And your funding was how much?
Very nice Willis.
How did the audience react to your presentation? Interesting questions and discussion afterwards?
That’s exactly what I wanted more detail on. It may merit a separate post.
The reason being that it tells us how western science is recovering.
We know that the politicisation of science, the publish anything or perish culture and the replication crisis / peer review failures have greatly weakened us.
But if new ideas are still welcomed then we may get out of this before we all need to learn Chinese.
It was well received. To be fair, there were no other climate researchers in the audience. And the time for presentations was short, so little time for discussions.
w.
Willis, Well, it’s interesting. And well worth writing up. i do wonder if it would work so well in past times which appear mostly to have been substantially warmer than today’s planet Earth. http://scotese.com/climate.htm — the Paleomap Project. But off the top of my head I can’t see how one would relate the two.
Anyway, as usual, thanks for writing this up.
Hey Willis.
Quote 1:
“For any given value of x, I first solve for the values of T_H, T_L, and q that satisfy the three energy balance equations.”
I have looked at the equations a few times and I do not see the area-fraction anywhere. I do not see the areas A_H and A_L, shown in Figure 1, either. Additionally, use of ‘x’ for the area-fraction and for the multiplication symbol could be a little confusing.
Apparently, the areas A_H and A_L and the area-fraction, x, are buried in the (area) term in Equation 1 and Equation 2, and an area likely is in the C in Equation 3.
Have you looked into the sensitivity of the calculated results WRT the various physical constants that enter; radius of Earth, for example, and the numerical value of C in Equation 3. Using all numerical values used in the papers, do you obtain the exact same calculated results? For example, do you get the same number for the first digit following the decimal point as reported in the papers?
Note that Eq. 6 in the 2005 International Journal of Energy Research paper requires that the ratio of projected and total areas for fractions of a sphere is the same as for a complete sphere. Is that an assumption of simply statement of a fact?
Quote 2.
“Now we have five unknowns (T_H, T_L, q, the fraction x of Earth’s surface in the hot zone, and the conductance factor C), and three equations.”
After stating this counting, (always a most excellent practice, BTW) you give Equation 4, dq/dx=0, and you’re still one equation short?
Thanks
Thanks, Dan. Always good to hear from you.
The area fraction x is in the equation in the “(area)” component.
Next, you say:
“Have you looked into the sensitivity of the calculated results WRT the various physical constants that enter; radius of Earth, for example, and the numerical value of C in Equation 3.”
I’m working with the real earth, so it’s not clear what varying the radius of the real earth would show us.
The outcomes are sensitive to the value of C, because it directly determines the distance between T_H and T_L. The faster the heat moves from hot to cold, the closer the two temperatures become..
And yes, we have 5 unknowns and four equations. The final step is not a solution, but a tuning. The value of C is tuned so the model output matches the distance between T_H and T_L. Note that it is NOT tuned to give us the values of T_H and T_L. Those are calculated by the model.
My best Christmas wishes to you and yours, and thanks for all your questions and assistance in the past,
w.
Wow, Dan is fast….i was thinking it would take a month of immersion before reaching some capability to confirm or deny….WE, thanks for the references.
Not fast. I attempted to replicate the calculations described in the papers back in 2007-2008, and have my notes from that work. There’s a third paper in Int. J. Global Warming, Vol. 4, Nos. 3/4, 2012.
I love your brain, Willis. Thanks!