Czech Physicist: Claims Net Zero Would Be Cheap And Easy Are “Completely Insane”

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By P Gosselin 

In an email, Czech physicist Lubos Motl warned claims of Net Zero being “cheap and easy” are naïve, “insane”. 

Globally, the costs would in fact be economically ruinous and explosive in terms of social cohesion.

Here’s the excerpt of what he wrote (edited to remove names):

Some people claim promoting Net Zero would be totally easy and cheap, below $2 trillion (total integrated expenses) – as long as we built a bunch of nuclear power plants. But such claims are completely insane.

All electric cars is basically impossible

First, nuclear power is fine but it is no ‘miracle’ in comparison with coal. Every forcedly shut down power plant – whether it runs on coal or uranium – is a huge waste of money. Equally importantly, for Net Zero, it totally fails to be enough to replace the power plants. You also have cars etc. The replacement of cars by electric vehicles is basically impossible in the decades to come. The market already shows that the demand for EVs has almost evaporated. Instead of the promised exponential growth, the EV makers are probably facing a decline. It is no surprise.

$20 TRILLION every 7 years – just for the cars!

An EV might be said to be comparable to an internal combustion engine (ICE) car when it is running, but to buy it, you still have to pay $15,000 extra above the price of a comparable ICE car.  Such an EV must be replaced every 7 years or so because the battery gets problematic and at that moment, the technology is obsolete so a new EV is better than the old one with a new battery. You simply have an extra $15,000 per car and per 7 years. There are 1.5 billion cars in the world. That is already an extra $20 trillion per 7 years just for the type of the cars. These $20 trillion per 7 years, or $3 trillion every year, still doesn’t include the charging infrastructure plus the extra batteries that would have to be placed on the grid to deal with the non-uniform timing of the charging of the cars.

And the costs above are still underestimates because we will run out of some commodities that are needed – even if we find huge new lithium reserves, they will get more expensive to mine because we must dig deeper, and we may run out of copper, cadmium, something else. And it is just cars.

The nonsense is in plain view

Then you have the cows with the methane etc. Can we replace them by a tech fix? There is no acceptable tech fix, a tiny miraculous solution like nuclear power plants that may turn the ultimate pipedream of Net Zero into reality. I can’t believe that any climate crisis skeptic could switch to the opposite camp in this important issue – which is mainly a policy issue but the rational argumentation needed to figure out that Net Zero is insane with nukes or without is really elementary science and economics.

The real battle is against lunatics

The appropriation of science and the ‘science’ brand by climate alarmist crackpots has been a huge blow to the civilization. 30 years ago, I wouldn’t have believed that something like that was going to happen (the world surely looked like becoming a capitalist U.S. 1980s-style, boring utopia for a century or more!) but it simply did happen. We are in a new world which is fighting different battles and the lunatics’ efforts to impose their idiocy and lies on the economic policies are probably the most important part of the climate-related confrontations now. So it may be more important than ever that somewhat sensible people speak a sufficiently united voice when it comes to the policies.

It is BS that the CO2 is behind the bad individual weather events or extremes and pretty much everyone understands that 1-2 deg C of (uniform) warming per century is not a problem by itself, regardless of the causes of this hypothetical change (my certainty that CO2 added less than 1 deg C in a century is not very certain – but I also think it is not a very important question for applications).

Pseudoscientific delusion: CO2  behind weather events What is terrible is that CO2 has been irrationally blamed for storms and other things that have existed on Earth for billions of years, pretty much with the same distribution (but they are much more globally hyped these days than they used to be), and even this higher-hardcoreness crackpottery is becoming rather mainstream. While people ‘blaming’ CO2 for the (surely beneficial if true) warming seems like an irreversible fact (at least up to the hypothetical moment when the warming really switches to cooling, which it surely could, as far as I can say, but I still think that some warming in the next decades is just a bit more likely), the idea that CO2 witches are behind all sorts of catchy weather events is a more idiotic pseudoscientific delusion that could still be disproved in the eyes of the public and policymakers.

So we should still try. The greenhouse effect, even if it is important, is acting almost uniformly across the globe, across the seasons and day cycles. So it cannot really increase the pressure differences and other variables that are igniting dramatic local phenomena like hurricanes. Ideas that some bans on ICE cars or family houses in Europe and North America will reduce the number of destructive weather events is completely wrong and it is important enough to team up with everybody who still understands that this proposed policy is wrong, nutty, and suicidal.”

Luboš Motl is a Czech physicist who was an assistant professor in physics at Harvard University. His scientific publications focused on string theory, and he is currently a visiting scholar at Rutgers.

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November 7, 2023 10:28 pm

Great article! “higher-hardcoreness crackpottery”!!!! Just awesome.

Hope he doesn’t get cancelled for speaking truth to power!

Reply to  PCman999
November 8, 2023 1:30 am

Beat me to it …loved that line!!!

November 7, 2023 10:38 pm

and he is currently a visiting scholar at Rutgers.

He has likely just worn out his welcome at Rutgers.

The greenhouse effect, even if it is important, 

It is only important because it is bent science that marks the fork in the road where physics departed climate prognostication. How ever anyone wants to define the GHE, it has absolutely NO bearing on Earth’s energy balance. So its importance begins and ends with finding the culprit who gave the silly notion oxygen.

BCBill
November 8, 2023 12:05 am

It really is a battle against lunacy. The anti-weather movement is another case of mass hysteria syndrome and there is nothing that can be said to the bemused that shakes their belief. We are in an iceage and the next glacial advance will kill most of the people in the world. In the really improbable chance that human activity is causing significant warming, only the stark raving bonkers could see that as a bad thing.

William Howard
Reply to  BCBill
November 8, 2023 8:13 am

if all CO2 from fossil fuels could be magically removed it would change the composition of the atmosphere by about 1 one hundredth of 1 percent – not even a rounding error and certainly not sufficient to have any effect on the climate

Reply to  BCBill
November 8, 2023 9:33 am

It’s a battle against entrenched lunacy as government policy, the lunatics are the ones that got the governments convinced it was a good idea in the first place; now it’s taken on a life of its own.

Coeur de Lion
November 8, 2023 12:06 am

I note from the number below that the globe is a tenth of a degree Fahrenheit cooler than in August. Terrifying.

hiskorr
Reply to  Coeur de Lion
November 8, 2023 6:08 am

The problem with the “number” you refer to is that it represents an “average” temperature of the globe. Nobody ever experiences an “average” temperature! We, all of us experience the diurnal range of temperatures wherever we are every day. Collectively, globally, humanity experiences temperatures ranging from -40F to +110F, or beyond, every moment of every day! Against this spread of temperature experience, the nearly level GAT of 58+/- 1F is negligible!

strativarius
November 8, 2023 1:59 am

There’s net zero chance of getting to net zero.

Clothes, emperor etc

cagwsceptic
Reply to  strativarius
November 8, 2023 3:15 am

To achieve net zero a modified second law of thermodynamics is needed to permit perpetual motion machines of the second kind to be invented along with frictionless bearings that operate a above absolute zero – simple.

strativarius
Reply to  cagwsceptic
November 8, 2023 3:30 am

Sounds like a job for Walt Disney Animation Studios

cagwsceptic
Reply to  strativarius
November 8, 2023 6:23 am

Or a physicist taking some time off from his search for the grand unification theory – ie do something useful for change.

November 8, 2023 2:01 am

The word ‘net’ in there is the absolute killer.
And it is; it will destroy this planet if allowed to proceed.

By implication, it places immense extra pressure on The Natural World – from biomass not least but also minings, extractions and processing.
Add in the damage from windmills, solar farms and transmission lines. ##
It really is gobsmacking, but shows the immense power of Magical Thinking, that Planet Earth is presently Bleeding to Death

THAT is what the rising CO₂ curve is saying, also its sawtooth annual form.
It is showing as clearly as anything that ‘absorptions are decreasing‘ and doing so at an accelerating rate
It is NOT ‘increasing emissions’ at all

As the story here tells, just how do you get that message across?
But if it doesn’t get across, we are all on a one way trip to Planet Mars – without even leaving the comfort of our own social media feed.
Which will of course endlessly reassure that CO₂ is Plant Food, the Globe is Greeen, and Things are Never Better

## There is No Such Thing as a ‘wild-fire’
Ah you say: Lightning cause wildfires and always has.
Wrong. In your dreams, your kindergarten teacher lied.

Lightning always happens underneath thunderclouds and always when is is raining. Or maybe when it has recently been raining or soon will be. It is the rain itself that cause the charge separation that becomes lightning.
Thus, lightning will always strike wet ground/vegetation which will be strongly disinclined to catching fire.

BUT, what lightning does is attract to transmission lines and, no surprise, they transmit lightning with equal facility as they transmit power. If not better.
OK. Power engineers know this and what they do is ‘protect’ their transmission lines with ‘spark gaps’. Placed across all insulators on very high voltage lines.
Also across insulators on low voltage consumers lines (11kV) where anything is connected to the line.
e.g. A consumer

So when lightning connects to a transmission line, in the pouring rain, the line will disperse the energy of the strike across a very wide area.
And wherever it does, those little ‘spark gaps’ will fire – hopefully shorting the energy to ground and dispersing it through the ‘DC’ electrical resistance of the line itself.
That is what the power engineers intended to happen, and it does.

But those spark gaps will be 10’s of miles away probably NOT be under the thundercloud – they will be on poles and towers well away from the storm and probably above some very dry vegetation.
When those spark gaps ‘fire’, they become like very powerful electric-arc ‘spark’ welders and will throw down a shower of white-hot metal droplets onto whatever is beneath them.
A single lightning bolt could trigger dozens of those events across a 10, 15 or 20 mile radius

All Wildfires Are Man Made

Reply to  Peta of Newark
November 8, 2023 6:26 am

Bloomberg’s green-energy research team estimated it would cost $US200 Trillion to stop Global Warming by 2050. 

There is only $US40 trillion in cash, checking, and savings in the world.

There are about 2 billion households in the world, so that is $US100,000 per household. 

Ninety percent of the world’s households can’t afford anything additional so the households in developed nations will have to pay 10 times as much to cover it.

That means about $US 1 million per household in developed countries or about $US 33,000 per year for 30 years. The working people can’t afford anything near that. 

The millionaires and billionaires have about $US208 billion in wealth. That would cover it, but they won’t give up their wealth.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-07-05/-200-trillion-is-needed-to-stop-global-warming-that-s-a-bargain#xj4y7vzkg

Of course, the Earth is still in a 2.55 million-year ice age named the Quaternary Glaciation, 20% of the land is frozen, and it snows ice crystals every year.

Reply to  Peta of Newark
November 8, 2023 3:20 pm

Lighting strikes absolutely do cause wildfires. As irrefutable evidence here is a satellite map of the August complex fires. At least 650 fires.across northern California caused by lightning strikes.

Note that what appears to be the largest cluster of fires to the upper left of the center, are in the Yolla Bolly Middle Eel wilderness area a massive 300 square mile remote roadless wilderness with no dams, utilities or houses. I’ve been backpacking there, you can walk a week without crossing a road, whether paved or dirt.

Reply to  kazinski
November 8, 2023 3:22 pm

Here is the link.
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MyUsername
November 8, 2023 3:58 am

That’s just some drivel with no sources and lots of insults. I expect more from an assistant professor in physics at Harvard.
Everyone with internet access can cook up something like this.

Reply to  MyUsername
November 8, 2023 4:06 am

You might set an example by refuting the essay with some facts and figures of your own rather just an ad hominem.

strativarius
Reply to  MyUsername
November 8, 2023 4:42 am

lots of insults”

You must be quite a delicate flower. Surely, this didn’t bring you out in a rash?

“The appropriation of science and the ‘science’ brand by climate alarmist crackpots has been a huge blow to the civilization”

Are you insulted by that? Fascinating. I would not call it a ot.

abolition man
Reply to  MyUsername
November 8, 2023 5:40 am

Please rewrite your post with additional supporting data in Czech! We will grade it on a curve, but I fear you are falling far below average!

William Capron
Reply to  MyUsername
November 8, 2023 7:22 am

:Lubos Motl has been writing for years about this subject with plenty of facts. Try his blog, it will make you seem less dumb.

Reply to  MyUsername
November 8, 2023 9:37 am

You do realise, don’t you, that your post against the context of the article makes you sound exactly like the kind of lunatic mentioned in the article? Not a good look.

Reply to  MyUsername
November 8, 2023 12:36 pm

Here’s a credible source for you that backs everything up with informed research and clarity of understanding.

Calculating The Full Costs Of Electrifying Everything Using Only Wind, Solar And Batteries

“For several years now, advocates of “decarbonizing” our energy system, along with promoters of wind and solar energy, have claimed that the cost of electricity from the wind and sun was dropping rapidly and either already was, or soon would be, less than the cost of generating the same electricity from fossil fuels. These claims are generally based on a metric called the “Levelized Cost of Energy,” which is designed to seem sophisticated to the uninitiated, but in the real world is completely misleading because it omits the largest costs of a system where most generation comes from intermittent sources. The large omitted costs are those for storage (batteries) and transmission. But as we now careen recklessly down the road to zero emissions, how much will these omitted costs really amount to?
A guy named Ken Gregory has recently (December 20, 2021, updated January 10, 2022) come out with a Report at a Canadian website called Friends of Science with the title “The Cost of Net Zero Electrification of the U.S.A.” A somewhat abbreviated version of Gregory’s Report has also appeared at Watts Up With That here. Gregory provides a tentative number for the additional storage costs that could be necessary for full electrification of the United States system, with all current fossil fuel generation replaced by wind and solar. That number is $433 trillion. Since the current U.S. annual GDP is about $21 trillion, you will recognize that the $433 trillion represents more than 20 times full U.S. annual GDP. In the post I will give some reasons why Gregory may even be underestimating what the cost would ultimately prove to be.”

Reply to  MyUsername
November 9, 2023 12:03 am

So, no actual arguments against the facts posted.

Didn’t think so. 😉

November 8, 2023 4:39 am

From the article: “The appropriation of science and the ‘science’ brand by climate alarmist crackpots has been a huge blow to the civilization. 30 years ago, I wouldn’t have believed that something like that was going to happen (the world surely looked like becoming a capitalist U.S. 1980s-style, boring utopia for a century or more!) but it simply did happen.”

The crackpots (Marxists/Socialists) have taken over the education of our youth, and have been doing so for several generations, and that’s why the crackpots are running the show today.

antigtiff
November 8, 2023 6:05 am

GM tried an EV with lead acid batteries….and concluded that only a small portion of the population was sort of cult like in their love of EVs. Elon Musk simply realized that lithium batteries would be a big improvement over lead acid and government subsidies are the key to Tesla. Many celebrities brag about how quiet EVs are and how EVs accelerate but that’s about all the advantage – Teslas are not saving the planet.

Mr.
Reply to  antigtiff
November 8, 2023 10:23 am

But what price can celebrities put on appearing to be “virtuous”?

Reply to  antigtiff
November 8, 2023 11:53 am

‘GM tried an EV with lead acid batteries…’

EVs disappeared in the US shortly after someone figured out how to use an electric motor to crank an IC powered vehicle.

Reply to  Frank from NoVA
November 8, 2023 2:06 pm

Almost. You forget the Sebring-Vanguard ‘CitiCar’ produced from 1974-7 in Florida; 60 mph, 40 mile range on 6 or 8 lead-acid batteries. Sold quite well during the oil crisis, but it was priced well below ICE cars and sales plummeted as soon as the crisis was over. That should have served as a warning for anyone going into the EV business but it obviously didn’t.

November 8, 2023 6:21 am

The UN is leading the insanity.

The developing countries, which has most of the world’s population, have growth as their first priority.

Reply to  scvblwxq
November 8, 2023 2:07 pm

Is it leading it or manufacturing it? It’s difficult to tell.

William Howard
November 8, 2023 8:10 am

nuclear – right – it takes about 30 years to get permits, if you can get them at all, and to build a single one – good luck with replacing all electricity generation with that

Mr.
Reply to  William Howard
November 8, 2023 10:31 am

So?

Apparently, 30 years is now one complete climate definition.

Surely Shirley we can survive the current “climate crisis” for just one more cycle while we build “clean” electricity generation sources to “save” all the climate cycles yet to come for ever and ever.

mariomarquinezgmailcom
Reply to  William Howard
November 8, 2023 12:01 pm

so the answer is only bureaucratical not technical,world have to accept little more risks ,allowing a more permissive permits in nuclear generation, against the sure problems of not having enough of it to supply the neccessary energy that demands a growing world society.

Walter Sobchak
November 8, 2023 11:03 am

Lubos has been around for a long time His blog The Reference Frame made his clear his disdain for “climate science”. I used to read it for his snark mostly directed towards other theoretical physicists. But, it seems to have been taken down.

Lubos’s specialty is string theory which is very abstruse, but I am sure he understands the physics of the climate better than so called climate scientists, who are mostly video gamers.

mariomarquinezgmailcom
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
November 8, 2023 11:55 am

we should say : “very well paid videogamers”,

Reply to  mariomarquinezgmailcom
November 8, 2023 2:09 pm

They should be, they’re living high on the hog on taxpayers money. Wonder how long before the bill becomes due for them?

Bob
November 8, 2023 11:17 am

Lubos is absolutely correct and the time for nicely asking CAGW crackpots to listen to reason is over. We need to call them out for the liars and cheats that they are.

John Oliver
November 8, 2023 8:38 pm

What happens when so many people believe things that are that are not true. Sounds like a good title for a best seller. The phenomenon (a) is now endemic to the entire world now. And what an opportunity for con artist that operate on a grand scale.

Silly humans.