Essay by Eric Worrall
In alarmist fantasy land, climate skeptics have accepted climate models, and now focus on spreading despair.
Too late to save the planet? Why this climate crisis myth is so prevalent – and problematic
Jun 19, 2023
Douglas Broom
Senior Writer, Forum Agenda
- The idea that it’s too late to halt the climate crisis has been gaining ground recently.
- It’s become the most popular cry of former climate change sceptics, say researchers.
- But it’s also the view of many people who want to help, but are overwhelmed by the challenge.
- While the world has been given ‘a final warning’, scientists say there is still time for action, but myths like these are stalling mitigation efforts.
The world has been given a “final warning” about the climate emergency. The United Nations says action is needed “on all fronts – everything, everywhere, all at once”. So why do so many people think nothing can be done to halt climate change?
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‘It’s too late’ – a dominant climate myth
And yet, researchers have found that increasing numbers of people say that it’s too late to save the planet. In fact, it’s become the leading climate myth globally, outpacing arguments that the science is wrong or that rising temperatures are not due to human activity.
A study by academics from the UK, Ireland and the United States found the argument that “it’s too late” had become the dominant climate myth among climate sceptics over the past 10 years and said it was holding back climate action.
Researchers believe critics changed tack because evidence of human-caused climate change has become overwhelming. “Science denial has become untenable,” John Cook, a study author and research fellow at Monash University told Forbes magazine.
“So inevitably, opponents of climate action are strategically shifting to misinformation targeting climate solutions in order to delay climate policy,” he added. “My gut instinct was that science myths were much more prevalent than they actually are, when our analysis found they were a relatively small proportion of climate misinformation.”
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Read more: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/06/too-late-climate-crisis-myth/
I suspect what we’re seeing is actually the growth of quiet climate skepticism.
Climate predictions are garbage. Not only has global warming failed to occur at the predicted rate, there is also a complete absence of evidence that global warming presents an actual problem.
As I’ve repeatedly mentioned, our monkey ancestors spread from the tropics to the high arctic during the Paleocene–Eocene Thermal Maximum, all the way up to Greenland, because 5C+ of global warming turned most of the Earth into a paradise for our warmth loving primate ancestors.
If our monkey ancestors managed to thrive in a much warmer world, there is no doubt we could figure it out.
There are only so many failed end of the world, end of snow and ice free arctic predictions people can accept, before they start taking the latest prognostication with a big grain of salt.
So how do you deflect criticism for your personal lack of climate zeal, if you don’t want to get into a big argument about why climate disaster predictions are a crock of proverbial?
One solution is to say “it’s too late, so why should I bother?”. Believers cannot challenge this assertion – they half believe it themselves – so they leave you alone to your “misery” – you poor thing, you don’t bother recycling anymore because you don’t see the point.
It’s not difficult to trace why people have suddenly become more skeptical. All the lies told during the Covid lockdown, only to discover once the lockdowns were lifted, that what we were dealing with was bad flu?
In the wake of the Covid lies and exaggerations, why should anyone take any government funded scientific claims seriously?
So no, we haven’t abandoned criticising climate models. Most models are running implausibly hot, they’re obviously wrong.
But watching the dying climate alarmism movement flailing about, fabricating nonsensical straw man claims about climate skeptics, trying to blame everything for their own failure other than their personal incompetence, its an entertaining spectacle as we wait for the rising fake AI crisis to take center stage.
The hubris of certain humans—all too large in number currently—to think their species can “save the planet”.
WOW . . . just WOW!
It is only “too late” if nobody is around to say it’s too late. When we last checked, the day after her predicted “end of the world”, Greta Thunberg is still alive at the ripe old age of 20.
Back in the real world, the North Pole is still covered in ice, polar bears are doing just fine, and Florida hasn’t been flooded.
It would be interesting to see the extension of Roy Spencer’s graph of actual and model-predicted temperatures beyond 2012, since we should have another 10 years of data by now.
How many years of actual temperatures being much lower than model-predicted temperatures are needed to convince people that THE MODELS ARE WRONG?
So how do you deflect criticism for your personal lack of climate zeal,
my favorite is to ask a climate alarmits how much CO2 is in the atmosphere – they have no idea and look a little confused when told how insignificant it is – but the killer blow is to ask how much is naturally occurring which of course we can’t do anything about – they have no idea but start to look a little confused when they start to figure out that the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere from burning fossil fuels is not even a rounding error and something that tiny couldn’t possibly control the climate
Making up lies is what they are best at. I’ve only seen skeptics claim it’s too late in jest.
I debate climate doomsters in media comment sections frequently. Many of those brainwashed idiots think humans are going to become extinct because of a hypothetical few degrees of warming. 100% of those who think it’s too late are alarmist extremists.
The first link is to Coan et al (2021), and the Forbes article is dated 19/11/2021.
Note 1 (to the WEF) : For an article dated 19/6/2023 “18 to 20 months ago” does not count as “… gaining ground recently“.
Note 2 : Searching for the string “too late” in the PDF copy of Coan et al that I downloaded gave me a “Not found” error message.
Request 1 : Can other posters please verify I have not made a “silly mistake”, and downloaded the wrong file or something …
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A copy of Figure 2 of the Coan et al paper is attached below.
Note 3 : The option “too late” appears nowhere in that Figure … which is included in the PDF file as “an image” / “a set of pixels”, not as ASCII text (!) …
Note 4 (to everyone using the phrase “too late” here) : You keep asking people to infer the phrase “supporting evidence” for your wild-eyed and hysterical assertions without checking whether (or not) it is actually applicable.
Sorry, I managed to forget the following.
Highlighting the completely neutral, unbiased and non-partisan approach of the original Coan et al paper.
Note 0 : “CTTs” = “Conservative Think-Tanks”.
Is there a more recent version of Roy Spencer’s excellent graphic? The one shown is just over 10 years old.
Is there a more recent edition of that tropospheric temperature graph?
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“everything, everywhere, all at once”
The reference to a movie entirely based on science-fiction and the suspension of all physical laws of space and time, in the context of predicting the “End of Times” may be an entirely appropriate reference. The not-too-clever purveyors of doom are so often subject to their own lack of rigor and critical thinking that they frequently disclose the fantastical basis for their repetitious final, last, never-to-be-heard-again warnings that we must act now or face Armageddon.
“Twist and Shout” was the name of a song.
Must be this guy’s favorite.
The alarmist are the ones who years, decades ago set the dates for their long-expired projections of what would happen if we didn’t act NOW before it’s too late!
They were wrong.
Rather than admit the “settled science” of CliSy was wrong, they try twist and shout nd blame sceptics.
Why? Because if it’s to late to “act NOW!”, they have no leverage from CAGW in their quest for authority to enforce “The Cause”.
I have never heard of a skeptic making a serious claim that it’s too late to do anything.
We don’t believe there is a problem in the first place.
On the other hand I have seen lots of skeptics who like to ridicule the “tipping points” arguments that so many alarmists are addicted to.
“…that what we were dealing with was bad flu?”
No! It’s not the flu! I’m sure the author intends to compare Covid-19 to the flu, not imply it’s a type of influenza.
Maybe “that what we were dealing with was *no worse than* bad flu” instead?
Finally, it seems the CliSci’s are ready to debate climate change! They have their position, and they are so helpfully stating the skeptic case for us. Our absolute strongest argument, too! After it’s over, they’ll tell us how it went- transparency, you know.
Why are they so good to us?
This myth that sceptics have given up the science battle, regrouped, and are now saying it’s too late to fix climate anyway is, of course, an invention of climateers themselves. It is a huge “tell”.
The last two dozen years have been a hell on earth for the Catastrophic Global Warming Coven. The years following the contrived hockeystick of accelerated warming, it became clear that warming had already stopped before Mann’s paper was even published. We had entered the almost two decade long Dreaded Pause that caused the “Climate Blues” psychological depression that ended the careers of an unkown number of climate scientists.
Then a chain of woes piled on. The Climategate email release in 2009 revealed widespread scientific malfeasance by the leading clisci academics. This broke in the middle of the COP meeting in Copenhagen, after which, every such conference has failed miserably to move forward on anything. The hockey stick paper as brutally trashed by McIntyre, modelers forecasts for anomalies in the 1st decade of 2000 proved to be 300% too hot. Finally, they had some relief with the 2015 el Niño but since, we’ve been in an 8 yr cooling period. Boy they have serious cases of stiff upper lipitis!
From the linked article —
5 Big Lies About Climate Change, And How Researchers Trained A Machine To Spot Them
“In order to counteract climate misinformation, we need to combine the findings from our machine learning research with other critical thinking research identifying the misleading rhetorical techniques and logical fallacies in each of the misinformation claims,” Cook said. “Combining these two separate lines of research into a single coherent work will bring us much closer to the holy grail of fact-checking.”
Cook has a position in the Monash University in a department named — Climate Change Communication Research Hub —
VisionTo live in a world in which climate change is depoliticized, where people trust and understand the science and the solutions.
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We should understand that these departments exist. Research departments in universities dedicated to the dissemination of “climate change”.
“Despite the overwhelming evidence of science…” I’ve been hearing this crapola for at least the past 30 years. The “science is settled!” But none of these fraudulent charlatans ever provide any evidence, let alone the overwhelming kind. And in the very rare occasions where they do proffer something, it is usually easily and quickly debunked. Not a single prediction these frauds have made in the last 50 years has come anywhere close to playing out. But all they ever do is dissemble, and push their prediction farther out into the future. They’re never called out or held to account for their failures, and seem to always retain their high-paying jobs for zero productivity! We need to demand they prove and demonstrate their claims instead of always assuming defensive positions against them. I’m not a climate denier, but they are all climate liars! I don’t have to prove a negative, but they have to prove the nonsense they’re not only claiming but are demanding the world change its economic systems to accommodate them. They all need to take long walks off very short piers.