IPCC war dance. Source ChatGPT.com

Claim: The USA has a Legal Obligation to Fund Climate Science – But Research Teams MUST Include Indigenous Knowledge

Essay by Eric Worrall

“The Inter-American Court … requires … joint production of climate knowledge between scientists and the custodians of such knowledge’ …”

In 2025 I wrote an article about how the Inter-American court ruled the USA has an obligation to fund climate science.

But I clearly missed the entertaining part.

July 21, 2026

International Courts Against the Defunding of Climate Science? Revisiting the ICJ’s Climate Change Advisory Opinion

Written by Anna Saunders

Introduction

The first eighteen months of the second Trump administration have witnessed a sustained assault on scientific infrastructures enabling understanding of anthropogenic climate change. This has taken the form of cuts to national science agencies; freezes and dramatic reductions in grants to universities; and attempts to dismantle observation arrays and crucial monitoring stations. It has also extended to research jointly conducted with partners in other states, who have received questionnairesrequiring them to disclose whether their work involves ‘climate’ or ‘environmental justice’. Environmental Protection Agency head Lee Zeldin has described the goal of the administration as ‘driving a dagger straight into the heart of the climate change religion’.

Obligations to ‘actively pursue’ science as a corollary of prevention

Best available science informs the conduct to be undertaken in performance of the obligation of prevention, which ‘may … become more demanding in the light of new scientific and technological knowledge’ (at [284]). As Katalin Sulyok has observed, scientific knowledge, and the work of the IPCC, also played a ‘central role … in how the Court made legal sense of the climate crisis’, and in the newly reiterated legal significance of the 1.5C temperature goal. Given this centrality, it is in retrospect not entirely surprising that the Court would pronounce on obligations on states to produce climate science, as well as to attend to its consequences.

Here, the Opinion of the Inter-American Court on Climate Emergency and Human Rights offers a significant contrast. Like the ICJ, the Inter-American Court extended existing obligations in respect of science to the climate situation, stating that states must ‘encourage the development of science in relation to key aspects of the climate emergency’ (at [474]). In doing so, the Inter-American Court recognised the specifically plural nature of this obligation, since ‘scientific knowledge coexists with other forms of knowledge, such as local, traditional and indigenous knowledge’ (at [476]). The Inter-American Court also recognised the particular role of Indigenous women in ‘preserving and transmitting’ these forms of knowledge (at [482]). Significantly for the interpretation of the obligation of prevention, it found that the procedural dimension of the right requires ‘integration of the best available science with local, traditional and indigenous knowledge, and … the joint production of climate knowledge between scientists and the custodians of such knowledge’ (emphasis added, at [480]).

Read more: https://www.ejiltalk.org/international-courts-against-the-defunding-of-climate-science-revisiting-the-icjs-advisory-opinion-on-climate-change/

I’ve written to President Trump asking for his response to this claim he has an international legal obligation to fund climate science to be jointly produced with custodians of traditional or indigenous knowledge, I’ll let you all know if I receive a reply.

Obviously some adaption to current climate science processes will be required to embrace this obligation. Space will need to be allocated in research establishments for any ritual observances required to produce climate science. I see a great opportunity for alarmist climate scientists to explore other belief systems. And if this obligation is enforced in any form, I’m sure looking forward to reporting the outcome of that joint production of scientific product.

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mleskovarsocalrrcom
July 23, 2026 2:10 pm

Obligation to who?

Scarecrow Repair
Reply to  mleskovarsocalrrcom
July 23, 2026 4:13 pm

Them what knows best.

leefor
Reply to  mleskovarsocalrrcom
July 23, 2026 9:32 pm

It appears USA has not ratified ACHR

MarkW
Reply to  leefor
July 24, 2026 2:09 pm

For good reason.

observa
Reply to  mleskovarsocalrrcom
July 24, 2026 1:23 am

Spare a thought for the snivelling wokesters you insensitive brute-
NZ minister names ferry after Captain Cook and tells ‘snivelling wokesters’ to accept his decision
All that Arderened down the drain.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  observa
July 24, 2026 5:06 pm

I like that guy.

Having said that… Polynesian navigators were truly amazing.

Kevin Kilty
July 23, 2026 2:11 pm

Perhaps shared silence is called for.

Derg
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 23, 2026 8:49 pm
July 23, 2026 2:13 pm

Let’s see. What would indigenous knowledge about the prevalence of bison herds in the American West tell us about whether large ruminants, like beef and dairy cows, are a climate risk in the industrial age?

https://fwp.mt.gov/stateparks/madison-buffalo-jump

“Situated on the edge of a broad valley carved by the Madison River, this high limestone cliff was used by Native Americans for 2,000 years–ending as recently as 200 years ago. Native people stampeded vast herds of bison off this massive semicircular cliff, using them for food, clothing, shelter and provisions.”

I’ve visited this park!

That is all for now.

Len Werner
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 23, 2026 4:16 pm

It comes under ‘stewards of the land’. Nothing shows stewardship like stampeding herds of buffalo off cliffs. I’m sure they used every bit of everything killed, following the example of bear catching salmon.

Personally, I’ve considered indigenous knowledge of climate–as well as for other groups–pretty well wrapped up in this short exchange. Mel Brooks seemed to understand, why can’t this court?

Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 23, 2026 6:02 pm

Generous gratuities, no doubt. And they implemented “no tax on tips” way before Trump. 🙂

Scissor
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 23, 2026 8:09 pm

Gravity heap big stronger than arrow.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 23, 2026 8:59 pm

Whence the Noble Savage. Look for the discussion of the “Head Smashed In buffalo jump.”

There were three species of North American bison, of Goldiloxian distribution: large, medium and small. Pre-Columbian inhabitants drove the two larger species to extinction.

oeman50
Reply to  Pat Frank
July 24, 2026 4:37 am

Goldiloxian”

I like that.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Pat Frank
July 24, 2026 7:26 am

Pre-Columbian inhabitants drove the two larger species to extinction.”

No! You’re wrong Pat! They were stewards of the Earth!

MarkW
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
July 24, 2026 2:10 pm

and didn’t know war or conflict until the white man taught it to them.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 24, 2026 9:15 am

Before the reintroduction of the horse to North America by the Spanish, driving a bison herd (or at least part of a herd) off a cliff was one of the hunting techniques used by the “indigenous people” that were so intent on preserving Nature.
When they discovered and tamed the “feral” horses, they found a safer, more efficient way to hunt.

Bryan A
July 23, 2026 2:14 pm

As with all Climate Science Reporting Anna Saunders has a Colonel of truth ground into her skin of vitriol stuffed with lies

Reply to  Bryan A
July 23, 2026 4:33 pm

Yes the truths are naked while the lies are well dressed

MrGrimNasty
July 23, 2026 2:21 pm

Story Tip (UK)

Plug in low power solar not exciting enough, following the theme, plug in feeble batteries.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/free-plug-batteries-could-handed-37467233

gyan1
July 23, 2026 2:23 pm

Indigenous wisdom should include the fact that dancing around carcinogenic fires was probably why life expectancy was 40 years. Cleaner fossil fuels have doubled life expectancy.

The clueless left don’t understand that equity is something earned rather than something given to the non-productive for claiming victim status. Climate reparations are a fools errand.

mleskovarsocalrrcom
Reply to  gyan1
July 23, 2026 2:40 pm

“Climate reparations are a fools errand.” It’s nothing more than ‘spreading the wealth’.

Herman Pope
Reply to  mleskovarsocalrrcom
July 23, 2026 3:27 pm

Wealth does not spread in scams like this, wealth concentrates toward those who divide up the spoils.

Scarecrow Repair
Reply to  mleskovarsocalrrcom
July 23, 2026 4:16 pm

Spreading wealth coercively destroys the wealth.

Scissor
Reply to  gyan1
July 23, 2026 8:25 pm

Exposure to carcinogens were certainly bad, but there was also high dead rates in child birth and high infant mortality.

Infectious disease was a big killer made worst by unsanitary conditions (bad water especially). Severe tooth wear from high amounts of abrasives in food made deadly abscesses common. Warring between tribes was active. Bison hunting probably resulted in its own share of injury.

Herman Pope
July 23, 2026 2:50 pm

I don’t think any actual climate science has been recently defunded, actual honest climate science was banned and defunded back around the time the IPCC had their first events. I would be OK with forced funding of honest climate science, WUWT would likely get some of that.

Reply to  Herman Pope
July 23, 2026 3:18 pm

How many legitimate climate scientists have been punished for having an “opposing” view. I can start with Pat Michaels, Fred Singer, Judith Curry and even Prof Tim Ball.
What “alarmist” climate scientist, has enjoyed a similar fate?

Herman Pope
Reply to  George Daddis
July 23, 2026 3:41 pm

George, your list was a good start, I met Fred Singer and Tim Ball in person, posted on Judith Curry’s Climate etc. Climate science has not been any kind of honest science. Honest Science Questions Everything, when “so called” Climate Science formed Consensus, it ceased being any kind of Science, it declared, we have Consensus, ultimate knowledge, it became something political.

oeman50
Reply to  George Daddis
July 24, 2026 4:41 am

Just listen to the protestations of Mikey Mann. He feels he has been punished, look at all the years-long lawsuits he’s filed. What a nimrod.

Oh, I’m sorry, you said “legitimate.” Never mind.

Reply to  George Daddis
July 24, 2026 5:46 am

The names you mention are frauds, who accept fossil fuel funding to publish incompetent science — ie, advocacy– in support of Heartlands dangerous lies.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
July 24, 2026 6:42 am

That’s a pretty bold and disparaging statement from someone with no known qualifications or expertise in their field. Calling academic experts frauds could be pushing the envelope of libel. Maybe you ought to refresh yourself with the legal judgments against Mikey Mann before you start accusing others of fraud.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Warren Beeton
July 24, 2026 7:28 am

That means the folks at the CRU are frauds as well. They got MUCH more funding from big oil than any of the people listed above.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Warren Beeton
July 24, 2026 8:39 am

He’s baaaacdk.

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
July 24, 2026 1:12 pm

Yay.

MarkW
Reply to  Warren Beeton
July 24, 2026 10:19 am

Of course your lies have all been disproven, but that won’t stop the faithful from believing what they have been told to believe.

None of them have received a penny of fossil fuel money, and the left is famous for declaring everything they disagree with to be a lie. It saves them from taxing their limited brain power trying to prove their claims.

Reply to  Herman Pope
July 23, 2026 4:28 pm

What was funded was bs science, not real science.

That is reason we must pass the SAVE act so the Democrats do not strangle us again and again.

We have to be on the alert because the climate gang is ready to pounce to interfere in our elections with help of leftist Democrats, like AOC and Bernie and stolen valor Walz.

This article is just an opening salvo

Reply to  wilpost
July 24, 2026 5:47 am

The SAVE Act is dead. (ThankvGod)

Reply to  Warren Beeton
July 24, 2026 6:43 am

So you’re for child rape and murder. Got it…

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Phil R
July 24, 2026 7:38 am

And election fraud.

Reply to  Jeff Alberts
July 24, 2026 8:28 am

Yeah, missed that one. It’s election fraud that enables a lot of the other stuff to happen.

Reply to  Phil R
July 24, 2026 12:31 pm

Jeff,

If Democrats are kept out of office, and off the Supreme Court, and off the various federal and state boards, only then can MAGA succeed, because Democrats lost control of our wallets.

Always follow the money flows
Always have control of the money flow.

Derg
Reply to  Warren Beeton
July 24, 2026 8:08 am

What is wrong with you?

Reply to  Derg
July 24, 2026 8:34 am

If you haven’t take a look at the DSA (Democratic Socialists of America) 2026 program agenda. Might go a long way to explaining his sociopathy.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Warren Beeton
July 24, 2026 8:40 am

If you actually believed in God, you would not take the position that humans can control the weather or climate.

MarkW
Reply to  Warren Beeton
July 24, 2026 10:22 am

The US is the only country in the world that has free elections, that doesn’t require some kind of ID both for registration and for voting. Like most socialists, Warren knows that they would lose honest elections.

July 23, 2026 2:51 pm

Sometimes I think the asteroid can’t come soon enough. But then I think, “Meh.” Let them role play and fantasize. If a less deluded race or nation comes along and takes over, that might be less painful.

starzmom
July 23, 2026 2:54 pm

At times in history, indigenous knowledge and belief included throwing virgins into volcanos to assuage the weather gods. Do the current custodians of indigenous knowledge know if that practice had any effect? Is that the sort of knowledge to be integrated into these joint production of climate science?

Herman Pope
Reply to  starzmom
July 23, 2026 4:01 pm

There are Courts, appointed by the rich and powerful, that will decide which indigenous beliefs will be honored, depending on how it helps achieve their goals. They realize, not many know much about indigenous beliefs, no one knows all the indigenous beliefs, when they get in a bind, this makes them free to just make up a new indigenous belief that could win their case in their biased courts.

starzmom
Reply to  Herman Pope
July 23, 2026 5:05 pm

And upon appeal, the validity of the belief will be challenged in court. On the other hand, it is not up to any court or commission to decide which sincerely held beliefs are okay and which are not.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  starzmom
July 24, 2026 8:42 am

That is how it should be. Decision on which is sincerely held, yes, proof of sincerity, no.

Reply to  starzmom
July 23, 2026 9:34 pm

Solar panels, ev’s and windmills have about the same effect as sacrificing the virgins. They don’t call it climate change religion for nuthin’.

MarkW
July 23, 2026 3:06 pm

Socialists have always believed that they have a moral right to other people’s money.

Reply to  MarkW
July 23, 2026 4:35 pm

Its not socialists its the right of every government since before the Romans.

starzmom
Reply to  Duker
July 23, 2026 5:02 pm

“Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s”

Phillip Chalmers
Reply to  starzmom
July 23, 2026 6:09 pm

what sort of knifes were rendered unto him?

MarkW
Reply to  Duker
July 24, 2026 10:24 am

I said nothing about government. I’m talking about stealing money from those who earned it so it can be used to buy the votes of those who don’t want to work.

Reply to  MarkW
July 24, 2026 2:30 am

Not that simple. You face systemic actions. Please bear in mind that in the current neo-Marxist strategy “indigenous peoples”, “local communities”, “vulnerable groups” etc. are supposed to be carriers of a world anti-capitalist revolution, which is now being called “just transition to a low-carbon economy”. The indigenous peoples, along with the other groups mentioned, are nowadays an equivalent to Marx’s “proletariat” from the 19th century. Therefore they try to foist this term (“indigenous peoples”) everywhere to force the public at large to get used to the notion that what used to be marginal in the recent past is now one of the most important drivers of the global development. Clearly, they do not really care about “indigenous peoples” let alone “just transition”. They only want an absolute power over the world, no matter who/what to sacrifice. Thank you.   

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Citizen Scientist
July 24, 2026 8:43 am

Thus avoiding the Clinton term “deplorables.”

July 23, 2026 3:13 pm

I agree that we should include indigenous knowledge.
And every culture that I have read about has legends of great floods.
And they all didn’t occur after 1850.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  George Daddis
July 23, 2026 6:54 pm

Weather is obviously caused by turtle flatulence, all the way down.

Reply to  Jeff Alberts
July 24, 2026 6:45 am

I thought it was heap big Thunderbird flapping its wings.

July 23, 2026 4:07 pm

That indigenous knowledge must surely include the fact that the MWP and periods before that were warmer than now.

Medieval Climate Anomaly in the Americas – World History Encyclopedia

Couple of great sentences in there.. I particularly like this one… 😉

But as for how to be healed or how to control the weather – these were the jobs of shamans, priests, and elites who had access to the gods and who understood the cosmos.

Nothing has changed much in climate science™, has it ! 😉

July 23, 2026 4:41 pm

The Inter American Court of Human Rights , the judicial arm of the OAS has based it rulings on the American Convention on Human Rights
Utilizing Article 26 (Progressive Development of Economic, Social, and Cultural Rights), the Court formally recognized the right to a stable climate. It ruled that failing to fund, maintain, or act upon climate science directly threatens the realization of this right.

Break out the champagne, but theres more

States must fund and establish frameworks for the joint production of climate knowledge between academic scientists and local/indigenous communities—specifically recognizing the role of Indigenous women.

starzmom
Reply to  Duker
July 23, 2026 5:07 pm

The indigenous women have been hurled into the volcanos.

Reply to  starzmom
July 23, 2026 9:51 pm

Obviously in those highly advanced indigenous cultures that were matriarchal ( two extra boxes ticked)  Spiritually, they are the only ones permitted to prepare the sacred cacao used in religious rituals.  Ovaltine of course is deep science.

Reply to  Duker
July 24, 2026 3:32 am

First chuckle of my day (-:

Michael Flynn
Reply to  Duker
July 23, 2026 7:56 pm

the Court formally recognized the right to a stable climate

which of course they couldn’t define.

How convenient.

Reply to  Duker
July 23, 2026 10:06 pm

“. . . the joint production of climate knowledge . . .”

Sounds like their gonna be making a film or stage play . . . hey, maybe that it!

oeman50
Reply to  Duker
July 24, 2026 4:48 am

So what happens when the Earth does not deliver a “stable” climate? Sue Mother Nature?

starzmom
Reply to  oeman50
July 24, 2026 5:49 am

Heave her into the volcano.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  oeman50
July 24, 2026 7:48 am

Blame it on humans.

Mr.
July 23, 2026 4:44 pm

I’m convinced that the greatest threat to mankind is drowning.

In bullshit.

Bryan A
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 23, 2026 10:17 pm

Then the world will suffer from a new pandemic
A.I.B.S.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Bryan A
July 24, 2026 7:49 am

Artificial Irritable Bowel Syndrome?

MarkW
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
July 24, 2026 2:14 pm

Accumulated Irritable Bowel Syndrome.

John Hultquist
July 23, 2026 5:10 pm

The indigenous folks of North Central Washington State are suffering serious wildifires this summer. Perhaps Anna Sauders will drop by to ask their opinions on climate science. The tribal members will need help recovering. Bring money, Anna.

J Boles
July 23, 2026 5:23 pm

Indigenous people know…it is JUST WEATHER! The more C02 the more grass, the more bison, the more steaks.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  J Boles
July 23, 2026 6:56 pm

They only know that thanks to science. They certainly didn’t know it back then.

Mac
July 23, 2026 5:28 pm

Did indigenous knowledge include how to roast and eat your native from a hostile tribe?
Many year ago I had a classmate in high school whose last name was Donner (female) who did say that she was a descendant from the ill fated wagon train.

Phillip Chalmers
July 23, 2026 6:04 pm

Well, in Australia that would be the people who lived on this whole continent for what they claim is thousands of years and who failed to invent clothes, houses, bows and arrows let alone possess anything like a telescope or microscope or even a thermometer – wait, or writing!
The only tool used on the environment was the fire stick! That led to mass extinction of species on the continent.
Expert environmentalists because they have experience of totally destroying the natural environment of a whole continent, eh?

starzmom
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 24, 2026 5:52 am

Only since the day before yesterday, on the low intensity burn-offs. Before that forests were supposed to grow grow grow until the trees died and then they burned at high intensity.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Phillip Chalmers
July 23, 2026 6:57 pm

Kind of like the inhabitants of Rapa Nui. Completely destroyed their island home.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
July 24, 2026 8:47 am

Well, they did turn it into an open air museum. 😉

George Thompson
Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
July 24, 2026 5:14 pm

Ouch, but it is a good time for a joke.

Bob
July 23, 2026 7:09 pm

Yet another climate alarmist wasting our time, money and resources not to mention a very expensive education.

Michael Flynn
July 23, 2026 7:54 pm

Climate is the statistics of weather observations.

Anyone who claims that “climate science” is a valid scientific discipline is either a fool or a fraud.

July 23, 2026 9:46 pm

Will the programs used for CMIP8 consist of a divination exercise by reading the entrails after ingesting peyote?… After all, it would cost less, and the predictions produced that way would probably be just as valid.

It reminds me of one of the last lines spoken by the Old Chief in Arthur Penn’s Little Big Man (one of my favorite films), when he realizes that the Great Spirit has not carried his soul into the next world.

“Sometimes the magic works, sometimes it doesn’t.”

A brilliant observation, if ever there was one. One has to admit that magic is less expensive than generations of climate models. Less expensive, but not necessarily less reliable…

oeman50
Reply to  Charles Armand
July 24, 2026 4:51 am

How about ingesting the entrails and reading the peyote? Just as effective, but not as much fun.

July 23, 2026 9:58 pm

Key in the above article (with my bold emphasis added):

“Like the ICJ, the Inter-American Court extended existing obligations in respect of science to the climate situation, stating that states must ‘encourage the development of science in relation to key aspects of the climate emergency’ . . . In doing so, the Inter-American Court recognised the specifically plural nature of this obligation, since ‘scientific knowledge coexists with other forms of knowledge, such as local, traditional and indigenous knowledge’ . . . The Inter-American Court also recognised the particular role of Indigenous women in ‘preserving and transmitting’ these forms of knowledge . . . the procedural dimension of the right requires ‘integration of the best available science with local, traditional and indigenous knowledge, and … the joint production of climate knowledge between scientists and the custodians of such knowledge’ “

1) I am gratified (NOT!) that the Inter-American Court is encouraging “the development of science” . . . perhaps they’ll next attempt themselves to learn what science is and how it really works. /sarc

2) “Climate emergency”? . . . what climate emergency??? And since current climate science has not found such to be the case, I conclude that assertion comes from “local, traditional and indigenous knowledge” . . . you know, the second half of the “plural nature of this obligation”, whatever the heck “existing obligations” means in this total word salad.

3) I take issue with the Inter-American Court declaring that there are different classes of knowledge. I assert that there is only correct knowledge and such stands distinctly apart from incorrect knowledge and from beliefs, whether such beliefs are religious, dharmic, shamanistic, humanistic (cultural lore), or deam/drug induced.

4) And, oh, I must thank the Inter-American Court for their gentle verbiage/political correctness in reminding us—lest we forget—of the importance of witches and sybils in “preserving and transmitting” forms of asserted “knowledge”. /sarc

5) The Court has its own obligation to explain what “the procedural dimension of the right” means . . . I am mystified (pardon the pun) by that phrase as used in context of requiring anything.

6) There really are “custodians of knowledge”? Who knew??? I thought that phrase was only used in works of fantasy (such as Kirstein’s “The Steerswoman” series and Tolkien’s “Lord of the Rings” series) and science fiction (such as Asimov’s “Foundation”, Herbert’s “Dune”, and Miller’s “A Canticle for Leibowitz”).

Bottom line: we presently have sufficient science to KNOW that there is no climate emergency, so combining that fact with “mystical” beliefs (which are NOT knowledge) will do nothing to change this situation going forward but instead will only send humanity into further confusion over climate . . . however, I’m not at all surprised that the Inter-American Court offers the absurd positions given in the above article.

Ed Zuiderwijk
July 24, 2026 12:22 am

I foresee a new dance craze. The Hopi-Maori-Mapucho raindance as expression of indigenous climate knowledge.

Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
July 24, 2026 7:36 am

Very good!

Just adding that the Hopi, like the Zuni and Cherokee American Indian tribes that also have “indigenous knowledge” (hah!), viewed/view rain as a sacred blessing or gift from spiritual forces.

Just wondering how that “knowledge” is going to be successfully integrated with science per directions given by the Inter-American Court?

Good grief!

Ed Zuiderwijk
July 24, 2026 12:27 am

Will NASA now have to consult astrologers, custodians of traditional indigenous knowledge, when planning the next space mission?

Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
July 24, 2026 7:43 am

The Inter-American Court demands such, according to the above article. FWIW.

Methinks even SpaceX now needs to further postpone the launch of Starship IFT-13 for consultations with the Karankawa indian tribe that were indigenous to the coast of South Texas, assuming descendants of such are around. /sarc

rtj1211
July 24, 2026 2:41 am

Mr Worrall

It may well be that indiginous populations hold knowledge of US climate going back 20,000 years. After all, Aborigines passed down stories of a time when Tasmania was part of the Australian mainland and that is not disputed by ‘modern’ scientists.

It might include knowledge of major flooding events, major droughts, extent of glaciation, changes in crop growing possibilities.

I don’t know what it might include, but listening to it would at least be inclusive and could yield a few unexpected nuggets.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 24, 2026 5:37 pm

“I’m not saying traditional knowledge should be ignored.”

Yes! The key being that those peoples that chewed willow bark actually had knowledge—scientific knowledge at that— and not just a belief. They had indirectly performed part of The Scientific Method of doing the experiment of chewing willow bark to see what happened (their pain was reduced), and undoubtedly not chewing willow bark at some time and seeing what happened (their pain went on undiminished).

In comparison, consider the likely scenario of those who asked a tribal deity or shaman for relief from pain in the belief that they could help . . . I betting their results were pretty much, in general*, the same as those who never sought relief from any deity or shaman (distinct here from a “medicine man”).

*I do allow for the power of the mind to have some control over the experiencing of physical pain.

Reply to  rtj1211
July 24, 2026 3:21 pm

Mr./Ms. rtj1211

It may well be that indigenous people of Mali, West Africa, the Dogon, hold knowledge of Sirius, the Dog Star, going back tens of thousands of years. After all, according to oral traditions documented by French anthropologists in the 1930s, the Dogon people described Po Tolo (Sirius B), a tiny, dense white dwarf companion star to Sirius A that is invisible to the naked eye.

Their “traditions” detail a 50-year elliptical orbit for this secondary star around the primary bright star.

Dogon lore states that their astronomical wisdom was given to their ancestors by the Nommos—amphibious, fish-like celestial beings who visited Earth from the Sirius system.

What’s not to like and respect about indigenous people that may be the custodians of Nommo knowledge?