I live next to Tooting Common a large section is what you might call rewilded; a light touch to management (cheap, too). There are many mice, some rats, squirrels, foxes etc etc.
The mouse problem was increased when there was a major redevelopment of two hospital sites and the residents were displaced.
So we got a mouser. She wiped them out from our house in fairly quick time (vicious stuff) and we haven’t had one for 5 or 6 years. Bottom line, Neve the cat is a wild animal that chooses to stick around. A pet in name, but a working animal by nature. And as for the claim on bird kills (cats bad, windmills good) only the old or sick are slow enough to get caught.
I’m sick of this everything is Carbon and awful stuff you hear. What is their agenda? A world exclusively inhabited by plants, herbivores and the occasional elite human?
People encourage raptors back into urban areas. Peregrines on cathederal and office block webcams are very popular. Guess what Sparrow Hawks eat? The other problem is increase in urban Corvid and grey squirrel populations all of which are partia; to raiding nests. The removal of garden hedges, especially front gardens for off street parking can’t help on the nesting front. Cats like to ambush prey, birds can do aerial reconnaissance which is not so easy for mice and rats, or lizards. We had a cat that would bring home a twitching lizard tail from time to time.
Cats make any easy scapegoat, a bit like climate change in that respect.
When mice and rats are thin on the ground at my place, it generally means I’ve got a Tiger snake somewhere (currently he (I hope it’s a he) is living in my work shed).
As a kid we had oodles of red bellied black snakes in the hay sheds. No mice, and no brown snakes at all.
Some of them were huge.
Most concerning event was putting the first bale of hay (small bales, showing my age) on the trailer, getting the second then spying the large snake on the trailer; he had been in the first bale. I let him have the trailer for a while!
“The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.” George Soros
“No matter if the science of global warming is all phony… climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.” Christine Stewart – Canadian Minister of the Environment
“We’ve got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy.” Timothy Wirth – President of the UN Foundation
“Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?” Maurice Strong – Under-Secretary-General of the United Nations
“This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the industrial revolution.” Christiana Figueres – UN Climate Change Executive Secretary
“We’ve got to go straight to the heart of capitalism and overthrow it. George Monbiot – Journalist
After vandalizing car dealerships that sell luxury cars, the Just Stop Oil spokesperson bemoaned the fact that people could buy luxury cars, while other people can’t afford to eat or heat their homes.
Mr. W.: I was gonna say something snarky, but then I saw, they just want to help the poor. Such tender concern! and stopping oil will feed and warm them!
And the reason people can’t afford to eat or heat their homes is because of people like them. The stupidity so thick you couldn’t cut it with a chainsaw.
I will have to disagree with this statement on bird kills by cats: “only the old or sick are slow enough to get caught.” Most of the birds my cat kills are babies. Most, not all. I have seen my cat jump from a sitting position, not moving, to a height of over 6 feet. It was something to see a 8 pound runt jump that high. The cat makes up for it by killing the moles, voles, and mice in the area.
Cats be cats. Cats are hell on young birds. We keep our cats inside. Not only for the birds but because foxes be foxes and bobcats be bobcats. You get the idea.
I love cats as much or more than people. I have had several as amazing friends and companions.
We had one who we brought in from living outside. She had a litter of kittens in our woodpile (unbeknownst to us) and upon trying to chase her away discovered the litter. My wife managed to adopt out all of the 8 kittens, and we kept the incredible mother for ourselves. We named her Hidey (for hiding in the woodpile). Initially she still remained a commuter where she would spend her nights outside. We would frequently have “gifts” left for us on the kitchen rug by the sink. Hidey killed at least 20 rabbits that summer and left their headless remains for us as gifts.
But then I was transferred and we moved. We were afraid to let Hidey go outdoors in the fear she would try to find her way back to her old home. After just over a year, she had no interest in ever going outdoors again and became the nicest pet you can imagine.
When she died, we got our beloved Buddy. We kept him as a house cat and while he could jump amazing heights from a sitting start, we loved him as a friend and although he would sit on the porch with us, he never went outside. We live in a very rural and forested area and he wouldn’t have lasted long with the foxes, bobcats, coyotes, and fisher cats living in our area. He lived to be 20 years old and we miss him dearly.
I would gladly eliminate these insane people before I would ever harm or remove a cat. Cats are great, and these leftists aren’t fit to breathe our air.
Im like you – I love cats as companions as much as quality people Humpy Doo ; Marmalade , Barnyard , Magpie ‘ Rocky ..I remember and cherish all our beloved family felines . And my two Tuco and Mason …I adopted an abandoned neighbors cat a few years ago who joined another stray . The green left – who in my country bear a lot of responsibility for the neglect and obstruction of fire hazard reduction burns that fueled the horrific bushfires that destroyed so much native wildlife are obsessed with controlling people and dictating how we live our lives …. Limiting and regulating pets is just a means to that end
We took in a stray cat, our first but having had dogs since I was knee high.
Sam was a big old desexed tom who had a field day hunting rats behind the bakery over the road from us. He was also extremely partial to sausage rolls he found in the bins.
I had to pull up a map to check the location, England. Fair enough. The situation is somewhat different in Australia. Cats (and foxes, rabbits etc) are introduced animals. A large percentage of birds in Australia are ground nesting. Cats that go feral are not wanted.
In the 1960’s, it was not uncommon for station managers/owners to tell rabbit hunters, “If you see a cat more than a hundred yards from the house, shoot it.” (Personal experience.)
(Moved to the US in 1970, and have had cats and dogs as companions till just recently. The wife says “No more, they’d probably outlive us”.)
Phew! There is a crater on Mars which is also named Tooting
That is radically different!
ron long
October 26, 2022 2:51 am
Dogs have been domesticated for 15,000 years, and they evolved during that time to be supportive of humans. Guess what? Human beings also evolved over 15,000 years to be interactive with dogs, nurturing them, training them, and now even turning to them for support. My dogs get table scraps (especially meat) mixed into their commercial dog food, and that will continue. Feed bugs to your dogs? They can eat free-range bugs anytime they want, have you seen any of that lately? That’s what they call a clue, sparky.
Feeding dead cows to extant cows wasn’t the issue. Lowering the temperature at which they were processed which then failed to kill the Prions which were the little buggers that supposedly caused BSE. Which got Margaret Thatcher’s seal of approval.
The 2000 inquiry, under Blair (Labour), found “changes in process could not have been solely responsible for the emergence of BSE, and changes in regulation were not a factor at all”. They found that heat treatment didn’t stop prions from being transmitted.
Research found that this started before she became PM https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM200105173442006
Her position as secretary of state education and science did not lead to lessening restrictions. Despite the title, it was not part of her portfolio and there were no regulations to change.
Labour were in power between 1973 and 1979 when the changes to processing occurred, and could have insisted on temperatures remaining high if it was an obvious thing to do.
The logic behind blaming her is the usual lefty thing of making the facts fit the theory.
My pups get a handful of burger with every meal. I brown the meat, beef or venison (in season), without spices just for them. No table scraps because I use a lot of spices (like garlic) that would be detrimental to their health.
Still looking for an unwitting leftist for me to use the “packen” command. For some reason they avoid my yard.
Our next-door neighbors had a huge rottweiler. He took a shine to the Mrs. and me. When we would go over to visit, he was convinced that he was a lovable lapdog and would work his way into our laps for scritchles.
The first time we visited, and he started to get into our laps, the neighbors were going to make him get down, but we said we were more than OK with him sitting with (on!) us.
Yeah, he was a cuddly ol’ lapdog, but he took up two laps.
BTW, people soliciting door-to-door always skipped the neighbor’s house for some odd reason.
Mine don’t sit on laps but they’ll sit on your feet so you can’t get away without petting them.
When I’m not nearby all bets are off. The meter reader is very efficient when he’s close to my fence and the neighborhood kids have never scaled my fence to steal apples.
My hound’s ancestors must have been domesticated around a fruit rich area.
He sits under the mandarin tree as soon as they are ripe, waiting for a share. Goes bonkers for banana, is even pretty partial to cauliflower and broccoli.
The head chook beat him off in the fight over the “BBQ sausage spill of 2017” though.
Old Man Winter
October 26, 2022 4:36 am
I was completely stunned after I first stumbled upon this
popular headline this week: “6 Ways to Reduce Your Pet’s
Environmental Paw Print”. But then I remembered I had seen a
tweet that topped it:
Felines are strictly carnivores. All cat species must eat meat to live. Dog food is very unhealthy for cats because it has too many vegetables in it. While felines can eat some plants — they need some grass for digestion — they must eat meat to live.
This is not a bad thing. Predators serve a useful purpose. It isn’t friendly, but it is necessary. People should research how Yellowstone’s ecosystem improved when the park re-introduced wolves.
I’m with you there. In second grade, a conservation agent spoke to the class. Some panty-waist mentioned hunting. This was roughly 1970, but anti-hunters have always been with us. The agent explained how hunting keeps the population healthy. If the population is too large, more animals will starve during the winter. By thinning the herd before winter, more animals survived the winter and the overall population was healthier.
Letting animals starve and freeze to death is not humane. When I grew up, we watched *Wild Kingdom* and every episode something was eating something. That’s a lesson today’s panty-waists still don’t get.
The frozen dinner peas/corn mix was pretty bad, so I would leave it and the cat would pick through, eat all the corn, & leave the peas.
ozspeaksup
October 26, 2022 6:09 am
thing is? the pets eat the scrap meats that would be wasted otherwise or at best bonemeal etc theres no extra effort of production at all. stay well clear of the no grain pets foods for you animals helth
theyre using dentured peaflour etc to get the protien percentages BUT its NOT good for pets guts. Has been found to cause cardiomyopathy in large dog breeds BY Vets
I have a friend who is a canine nutrition expert. He now has established his own brand of dog foods after being disgusted by what some of the big brands get up to. Even his foods don’t necessarily cover all the bases, with additional supplements being helpful for some conditions. But at least they aren’t harmful.
Olen
October 26, 2022 6:56 am
The real problem is there are too many nuts in the world, especially the rich ones.
No, I’ve visited this site long enough to know how little to expect any time I see your name attached to a comment. Years ago, at first, I thought maybe you were an intelligent person, but now I can’t say anything positive or good about you. It must really suck being you.
because you would complain that we were manufacturing consensus. and say consensus isn’t science.here is how things work
someone does foundational work
we don’t stand around and criticize the foundation we decide ” can I build on this?”
if we can we build on it extend it improve it and make progress. nobody goes around correcting bad foundations. if its bad we ignore it and look for a better place to build
ever wonder why citation count matters?
that means your science was sound enough to build on.
Therein lies the problem with what you said above, in particular
“if we can we build on it extend it improve it and make progress. nobody goes around correcting bad foundations. if its bad we ignore it and look for a better place to build”
Building and improving on bad foundations. Is the problem. Nobody knows that there are bad foundations or they do but will not enlighten you for some reason or other.
History is replete with this stuff. Galileo, Darwin, Alfred Wegener, Barry Marshall and Robin Warren and Ignaz Semmelweis. Were right, but discredited by main stream science. The so called consensus of scientists. Michael Crichton had a few words to say about consensus and science.
“if its bad we ignore it” Please, you got to be kidding? If it’s bad then you need to fix it. Period. Ignoring the problem will not make it go away.
This blaming of pets for an increased carbon footprint and the follow-on argument that pets should therefore be banned is not new – it’s been raised on many platforms, ‘science’ presentations, media and print outlets. The point being that this is not some ‘strawman’ argument – this is an actual issue that activists have raised, are currently raising and, I have little doubt, will raise again at some point.
I find your lack of research and comprehension troubling in a supposedly educated person – I expected better.
As usual, steve can’t be bothered to actually address the issues or the arguments. Instead he goes straight for the ad hominem. It’s almost as if ad hom is all he is capable of.
Bugs wouldn’t solve anything. In order to produce the massive amounts needed ‘bug farmers’
would require acres and acres of dedicated housing – heat would be needed too in many countries with chilly winters ( cows don’t need heated barns, do they?). I can’t see that it would be any greener than farming regular beasts. Plus there is also a question of whether insects are as digestible as they are touted.
They are not. The crunchy bits get stuck between your teeth and many have a bitter aftertaste.
Bruce Cobb
October 26, 2022 11:04 am
Of course, it isn’t just the pets, it’s everything. Our whole way of life needs to be destroyed under the Climate Catechism, in order to “save the planet”. Only a life of subsistence can be allowed. What is necessary, after all? Get rid of anything and everything unnecessary. Art, sports, most clothing, most food. Housing? A one-room mud and sticks hut will do.
What? You want more? HOW DARE YOU!
In the US, there are more than 163 million dogs and cats that consume, as a significant portion of their diet, animal products and therefore potentially constitute a considerable dietary footprint. Here, the energy and animal-derived product consumption of these pets in the US is evaluated for the first time, as are the environmental impacts from the animal products fed to them, including feces production. In the US, dogs and cats consume about 19% ± 2% of the amount of dietary energy that humans do (203 ± 15 PJ yr-1 vs. 1051 ± 9 PJ yr-1) and 33% ± 9% of the animal-derived energy (67 ± 17 PJ yr-1 vs. 206 ± 2 PJ yr-1). They produce about 30% ± 13%, by mass, as much feces as Americans (5.1 ± Tg yr-1 vs. 17.2 Tg yr-1), and through their diet, constitute about 25–30% of the environmental impacts from animal production in terms of the use of land, water, fossil fuel, phosphate, and biocides. Dog and cat animal product consumption is responsible for release of up to 64 ± 16 million tons CO2- equivalent methane and nitrous oxide, two powerful greenhouse gasses (GHGs). Americans are the largest pet owners in the world, but the tradition of pet ownership in the US has considerable costs. As pet ownership increases in some developing countries, especially China, and trends continue in pet food toward higher content and quality of meat, globally, pet ownership will compound the environmental impacts of human dietary choices. Reducing the rate of dog and cat ownership, perhaps in favor of other pets that offer similar health and emotional benefits would considerably reduce these impacts. Simultaneous industrywide efforts to reduce overfeeding, reduce waste, and find alternative sources of protein will also reduce these impacts.
There is a great deal of an edible animal that we choose not to eat. Only those parts are used for pet food. The parts we choose to eat are much to expensive. The parts pets eat would likely be thrown away if they didn’t eat it.
The obvious solution is that people who are concerned about CW should not have children, and engage in risky activities which will help reduce the population count.
I live next to Tooting Common a large section is what you might call rewilded; a light touch to management (cheap, too). There are many mice, some rats, squirrels, foxes etc etc.
The mouse problem was increased when there was a major redevelopment of two hospital sites and the residents were displaced.
So we got a mouser. She wiped them out from our house in fairly quick time (vicious stuff) and we haven’t had one for 5 or 6 years. Bottom line, Neve the cat is a wild animal that chooses to stick around. A pet in name, but a working animal by nature. And as for the claim on bird kills (cats bad, windmills good) only the old or sick are slow enough to get caught.
I’m sick of this everything is Carbon and awful stuff you hear. What is their agenda? A world exclusively inhabited by plants, herbivores and the occasional elite human?
Plants and herbivores are also carbon based – best get rid of them too! <sarc
People encourage raptors back into urban areas. Peregrines on cathederal and office block webcams are very popular. Guess what Sparrow Hawks eat? The other problem is increase in urban Corvid and grey squirrel populations all of which are partia; to raiding nests. The removal of garden hedges, especially front gardens for off street parking can’t help on the nesting front. Cats like to ambush prey, birds can do aerial reconnaissance which is not so easy for mice and rats, or lizards. We had a cat that would bring home a twitching lizard tail from time to time.
Cats make any easy scapegoat, a bit like climate change in that respect.
When mice and rats are thin on the ground at my place, it generally means I’ve got a Tiger snake somewhere (currently he (I hope it’s a he) is living in my work shed).
yes I caught a brown snake by the tail last summer with a line trimmer, one dead snake later…a few days after I have mice inside again
As a kid we had oodles of red bellied black snakes in the hay sheds. No mice, and no brown snakes at all.
Some of them were huge.
Most concerning event was putting the first bale of hay (small bales, showing my age) on the trailer, getting the second then spying the large snake on the trailer; he had been in the first bale. I let him have the trailer for a while!
Stacked my share of small square bales, and made cubby houses in the hay shed as a kid. Good fun.
I take it the red bellied blacks were eating the eggs of the brown snakes? We only had king browns, but not too many of them (that were seen).
What is their agenda?
____________________
“The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.”
George Soros
“No matter if the science of global warming is all phony… climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.”
Christine Stewart – Canadian Minister of the Environment
“We’ve got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy.”
Timothy Wirth – President of the UN Foundation
“Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?”
Maurice Strong – Under-Secretary-General of the United Nations
“This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the industrial revolution.”
Christiana Figueres – UN Climate Change Executive Secretary
“We’ve got to go straight to the heart of capitalism and overthrow it.
George Monbiot – Journalist
After vandalizing car dealerships that sell luxury cars, the Just Stop Oil spokesperson bemoaned the fact that people could buy luxury cars, while other people can’t afford to eat or heat their homes.
Mr. W.: I was gonna say something snarky, but then I saw, they just want to help the poor. Such tender concern! and stopping oil will feed and warm them!
And the reason people can’t afford to eat or heat their homes is because of people like them. The stupidity so thick you couldn’t cut it with a chainsaw.
I will have to disagree with this statement on bird kills by cats: “only the old or sick are slow enough to get caught.” Most of the birds my cat kills are babies. Most, not all. I have seen my cat jump from a sitting position, not moving, to a height of over 6 feet. It was something to see a 8 pound runt jump that high. The cat makes up for it by killing the moles, voles, and mice in the area.
Cats be cats. Cats are hell on young birds. We keep our cats inside. Not only for the birds but because foxes be foxes and bobcats be bobcats. You get the idea.
I love cats as much or more than people. I have had several as amazing friends and companions.
We had one who we brought in from living outside. She had a litter of kittens in our woodpile (unbeknownst to us) and upon trying to chase her away discovered the litter. My wife managed to adopt out all of the 8 kittens, and we kept the incredible mother for ourselves. We named her Hidey (for hiding in the woodpile). Initially she still remained a commuter where she would spend her nights outside. We would frequently have “gifts” left for us on the kitchen rug by the sink. Hidey killed at least 20 rabbits that summer and left their headless remains for us as gifts.
But then I was transferred and we moved. We were afraid to let Hidey go outdoors in the fear she would try to find her way back to her old home. After just over a year, she had no interest in ever going outdoors again and became the nicest pet you can imagine.
When she died, we got our beloved Buddy. We kept him as a house cat and while he could jump amazing heights from a sitting start, we loved him as a friend and although he would sit on the porch with us, he never went outside. We live in a very rural and forested area and he wouldn’t have lasted long with the foxes, bobcats, coyotes, and fisher cats living in our area. He lived to be 20 years old and we miss him dearly.
I would gladly eliminate these insane people before I would ever harm or remove a cat. Cats are great, and these leftists aren’t fit to breathe our air.
Im like you – I love cats as companions as much as quality people Humpy Doo ; Marmalade , Barnyard , Magpie ‘ Rocky ..I remember and cherish all our beloved family felines . And my two Tuco and Mason …I adopted an abandoned neighbors cat a few years ago who joined another stray . The green left – who in my country bear a lot of responsibility for the neglect and obstruction of fire hazard reduction burns that fueled the horrific bushfires that destroyed so much native wildlife are obsessed with controlling people and dictating how we live our lives …. Limiting and regulating pets is just a means to that end
We took in a stray cat, our first but having had dogs since I was knee high.
Sam was a big old desexed tom who had a field day hunting rats behind the bakery over the road from us. He was also extremely partial to sausage rolls he found in the bins.
He was an awesome addition to the family!
Yep. The critters my cat brought inside for me to finish off were healthy. This one could leap onto the roof of the garden shed, 7 feet up.
G’Day Fretslider,
“I live next to Tooting Common…”
I had to pull up a map to check the location, England. Fair enough. The situation is somewhat different in Australia. Cats (and foxes, rabbits etc) are introduced animals. A large percentage of birds in Australia are ground nesting. Cats that go feral are not wanted.
In the 1960’s, it was not uncommon for station managers/owners to tell rabbit hunters, “If you see a cat more than a hundred yards from the house, shoot it.” (Personal experience.)
(Moved to the US in 1970, and have had cats and dogs as companions till just recently. The wife says “No more, they’d probably outlive us”.)
Phew! There is a crater on Mars which is also named Tooting
That is radically different!
Dogs have been domesticated for 15,000 years, and they evolved during that time to be supportive of humans. Guess what? Human beings also evolved over 15,000 years to be interactive with dogs, nurturing them, training them, and now even turning to them for support. My dogs get table scraps (especially meat) mixed into their commercial dog food, and that will continue. Feed bugs to your dogs? They can eat free-range bugs anytime they want, have you seen any of that lately? That’s what they call a clue, sparky.
Once, feeding dead cows to extant cows seemed like a good idea. It had the Selwyn-Gummer seal of approval, too.
Shirley a person with the culturally advanced name of “strativarius” isn’t heading in the direction of Soylent Green? Hello?
I wasn’t
And you think I was?
No, I don’t think you were, I just can’t resist my snarky troll tendencies. Everythings OK.
Feeding dead cows to extant cows wasn’t the issue. Lowering the temperature at which they were processed which then failed to kill the Prions which were the little buggers that supposedly caused BSE. Which got Margaret Thatcher’s seal of approval.
The 2000 inquiry, under Blair (Labour), found “changes in process could not have been solely responsible for the emergence of BSE, and changes in regulation were not a factor at all”. They found that heat treatment didn’t stop prions from being transmitted.
Research found that this started before she became PM
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM200105173442006
Her position as secretary of state education and science did not lead to lessening restrictions. Despite the title, it was not part of her portfolio and there were no regulations to change.
Labour were in power between 1973 and 1979 when the changes to processing occurred, and could have insisted on temperatures remaining high if it was an obvious thing to do.
The logic behind blaming her is the usual lefty thing of making the facts fit the theory.
I wasn’t blaming her, but she didn’t stop it from happening. It was a collective failure which successive PM’s approved.
My pups get a handful of burger with every meal. I brown the meat, beef or venison (in season), without spices just for them. No table scraps because I use a lot of spices (like garlic) that would be detrimental to their health.
Still looking for an unwitting leftist for me to use the “packen” command. For some reason they avoid my yard.
My neighbour has a rotty. I’m not sure if it’s the loveliest smile I’ve seen or I’m just happy that she is happy.
Our next-door neighbors had a huge rottweiler. He took a shine to the Mrs. and me. When we would go over to visit, he was convinced that he was a lovable lapdog and would work his way into our laps for scritchles.
The first time we visited, and he started to get into our laps, the neighbors were going to make him get down, but we said we were more than OK with him sitting with (on!) us.
Yeah, he was a cuddly ol’ lapdog, but he took up two laps.
BTW, people soliciting door-to-door always skipped the neighbor’s house for some odd reason.
Mine don’t sit on laps but they’ll sit on your feet so you can’t get away without petting them.
When I’m not nearby all bets are off. The meter reader is very efficient when he’s close to my fence and the neighborhood kids have never scaled my fence to steal apples.
My hound’s ancestors must have been domesticated around a fruit rich area.
He sits under the mandarin tree as soon as they are ripe, waiting for a share. Goes bonkers for banana, is even pretty partial to cauliflower and broccoli.
The head chook beat him off in the fight over the “BBQ sausage spill of 2017” though.
I was completely stunned after I first stumbled upon this
popular headline this week: “6 Ways to Reduce Your Pet’s
Environmental Paw Print”. But then I remembered I had seen a
tweet that topped it:
Yeah, but they’re all bonkers
Felines are strictly carnivores. All cat species must eat meat to live. Dog food is very unhealthy for cats because it has too many vegetables in it. While felines can eat some plants — they need some grass for digestion — they must eat meat to live.
This is not a bad thing. Predators serve a useful purpose. It isn’t friendly, but it is necessary. People should research how Yellowstone’s ecosystem improved when the park re-introduced wolves.
I’m with you there. In second grade, a conservation agent spoke to the class. Some panty-waist mentioned hunting. This was roughly 1970, but anti-hunters have always been with us. The agent explained how hunting keeps the population healthy. If the population is too large, more animals will starve during the winter. By thinning the herd before winter, more animals survived the winter and the overall population was healthier.
Letting animals starve and freeze to death is not humane. When I grew up, we watched *Wild Kingdom* and every episode something was eating something. That’s a lesson today’s panty-waists still don’t get.
Our cat loves dog food. She also eats pasta and corn.
Obviously we feed her cat food too, and she gets most of her protein from rodents.
when I was a kid, I had a cat that liked corn.
The frozen dinner peas/corn mix was pretty bad, so I would leave it and the cat would pick through, eat all the corn, & leave the peas.
thing is? the pets eat the scrap meats that would be wasted otherwise or at best bonemeal etc theres no extra effort of production at all.
stay well clear of the no grain pets foods for you animals helth
theyre using dentured peaflour etc to get the protien percentages BUT its NOT good for pets guts. Has been found to cause cardiomyopathy in large dog breeds BY Vets
I have a friend who is a canine nutrition expert. He now has established his own brand of dog foods after being disgusted by what some of the big brands get up to. Even his foods don’t necessarily cover all the bases, with additional supplements being helpful for some conditions. But at least they aren’t harmful.
The real problem is there are too many nuts in the world, especially the rich ones.
Only the wealthy can afford to be stupid. For the poor, it is usually a death sentence.
redflags
prediction: some non scientist made an unsupported claim about pets
morano strawmans the stupid and takes it apart.
par for the course
The biggest red flag is “Steven M Mosher”. Not intelligent ever shows up in his comments. Just personal attacks and gibberish.
no personal attack. just a prediction given the players. names. notice you are the one who makes a personal insult “gibberish?”
Not intelligent ever shows up in his comments
huh? english much?
you meant to say
No intelligence ever shows up in his comments.
that may be debatable. apparently it was intelligent enough to garner your comment
if I had a nickle for every puppy in the comments who humps my leg
You have NOTHING as usual.. Just leftist BEST-branded whining and whinging !
What a sad, inconsequential person you have become. !
I’m sure you love those puppies humping your leg ! Jolly for you. !
“if I had a nickle for every puppy in the comments who humps my leg”
You’d still only be two bits on Griff’s $10. You’re just old, re-tired [sic] news dood…
🙂
It is generally the mature dog that humps the leg.
The fantasy about the youngsters is telling.
No, I’ve visited this site long enough to know how little to expect any time I see your name attached to a comment. Years ago, at first, I thought maybe you were an intelligent person, but now I can’t say anything positive or good about you. It must really suck being you.
Mosh, why don’t you guys point out the stupidity of the unsupported claims made by people who support the cause? Why doesn’t your team police itself?
The Mosh isn’t paid to attack his own side.
because you would complain that we were manufacturing consensus. and say consensus isn’t science.here is how things work
someone does foundational work
we don’t stand around and criticize the foundation we decide ” can I build on this?”
if we can we build on it extend it improve it and make progress. nobody goes around correcting bad foundations. if its bad we ignore it and look for a better place to build
ever wonder why citation count matters?
that means your science was sound enough to build on.
Your “foundations” analogy is laughably bogus.
Therein lies the problem with what you said above, in particular
“if we can we build on it extend it improve it and make progress. nobody goes around correcting bad foundations. if its bad we ignore it and look for a better place to build”
Building and improving on bad foundations. Is the problem. Nobody knows that there are bad foundations or they do but will not enlighten you for some reason or other.
History is replete with this stuff. Galileo, Darwin, Alfred Wegener, Barry Marshall and Robin Warren and Ignaz Semmelweis. Were right, but discredited by main stream science. The so called consensus of scientists. Michael Crichton had a few words to say about consensus and science.
“if its bad we ignore it” Please, you got to be kidding? If it’s bad then you need to fix it. Period. Ignoring the problem will not make it go away.
Regards
Climate Heretic
Citing each other’s fakery and anti-science, after gate-keeper selection….
Only you could make up that nonsense.
Do you preen yourself in the mirror every morning ?
This blaming of pets for an increased carbon footprint and the follow-on argument that pets should therefore be banned is not new – it’s been raised on many platforms, ‘science’ presentations, media and print outlets. The point being that this is not some ‘strawman’ argument – this is an actual issue that activists have raised, are currently raising and, I have little doubt, will raise again at some point.
I find your lack of research and comprehension troubling in a supposedly educated person – I expected better.
What? What question are you answering? Certainly not any I asked.
BTW – Asking questions is one of the foundations of science. Building concensus is a foundation of politics.
citation count matters because circle jerk is, by most, frowned upon.
“ever wonder why citation count matters?”
Being circle-cited by other clowns to get the count up does not mean anything.
You chastised someone above for making typos in a sentence. Yet you can’t be bothered to use capitalization or punctuation. You’re a fool.
As usual, steve can’t be bothered to actually address the issues or the arguments. Instead he goes straight for the ad hominem. It’s almost as if ad hom is all he is capable of.
steve only wishes he could get par for the course
And you forgot to list at least one strawman.
Bugs wouldn’t solve anything. In order to produce the massive amounts needed ‘bug farmers’
would require acres and acres of dedicated housing – heat would be needed too in many countries with chilly winters ( cows don’t need heated barns, do they?). I can’t see that it would be any greener than farming regular beasts. Plus there is also a question of whether insects are as digestible as they are touted.
Ceebee
“Plus there is also a question of whether insects are as digestible as they are touted.”
Please report back to us on that; a pioneer – even in gastronomy – deserves much credit.
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There’s also the question of how well humans can adapt to ingesting all the parasites prevalent in bugs.
Remember, cats eat bugs, too.
They are not. The crunchy bits get stuck between your teeth and many have a bitter aftertaste.
Of course, it isn’t just the pets, it’s everything. Our whole way of life needs to be destroyed under the Climate Catechism, in order to “save the planet”. Only a life of subsistence can be allowed. What is necessary, after all? Get rid of anything and everything unnecessary. Art, sports, most clothing, most food. Housing? A one-room mud and sticks hut will do.
What? You want more? HOW DARE YOU!
In the US, there are more than 163 million dogs and cats that consume, as a significant portion of their diet, animal products and therefore potentially constitute a considerable dietary footprint. Here, the energy and animal-derived product consumption of these pets in the US is evaluated for the first time, as are the environmental impacts from the animal products fed to them, including feces production. In the US, dogs and cats consume about 19% ± 2% of the amount of dietary energy that humans do (203 ± 15 PJ yr-1 vs. 1051 ± 9 PJ yr-1) and 33% ± 9% of the animal-derived energy (67 ± 17 PJ yr-1 vs. 206 ± 2 PJ yr-1). They produce about 30% ± 13%, by mass, as much feces as Americans (5.1 ± Tg yr-1 vs. 17.2 Tg yr-1), and through their diet, constitute about 25–30% of the environmental impacts from animal production in terms of the use of land, water, fossil fuel, phosphate, and biocides. Dog and cat animal product consumption is responsible for release of up to 64 ± 16 million tons CO2- equivalent methane and nitrous oxide, two powerful greenhouse gasses (GHGs). Americans are the largest pet owners in the world, but the tradition of pet ownership in the US has considerable costs. As pet ownership increases in some developing countries, especially China, and trends continue in pet food toward higher content and quality of meat, globally, pet ownership will compound the environmental impacts of human dietary choices. Reducing the rate of dog and cat ownership, perhaps in favor of other pets that offer similar health and emotional benefits would considerably reduce these impacts. Simultaneous industrywide efforts to reduce overfeeding, reduce waste, and find alternative sources of protein will also reduce these impacts.
the solution is obvious kung pow bow wow
“In the US, dogs and cats consume about 19% ± 2% of the amount of dietary energy that humans do”
Couldn’t 5 climate believalists do the right thing for my cats instead?
There is a great deal of an edible animal that we choose not to eat. Only those parts are used for pet food. The parts we choose to eat are much to expensive. The parts pets eat would likely be thrown away if they didn’t eat it.
Mosh, ignoring the fact that the energy used, and carbon for that energy, is part of the Carbon CYCLE
Mosh doesn’t comprehend the word “CYCLE”
The obvious solution is that people who are concerned about CW should not have children, and engage in risky activities which will help reduce the population count.
These people can take a hike.
Time to get a dog ! 🙂
Hopefully not the leg-humping kind that Mosh so enjoys.,
I just had a word with my cat, asking her to stop changing the climate.
She said she’ll do as she damn well pleases.
Kangaroos and horses are the answer as they produce far less methane. In addition to being useful as pets they are also quite edible.
And when we finally get too tired of the ecotards’ drivel, we could enter them in boxing matches with the kangaroos. I would pay to see that.
Well…he is a very bad cat. I wouldn’t be surprised if he destabilized the climate.