Over in Europe, and particularly in those countries in the vanguard of the green energy transition, the enormous costs of this folly have begun to hit home. In the UK, average annual consumer energy bills were scheduled to rise as of October 1 to £3549/year, from only £1138/year just a year ago. (The figure may now get reduced somewhat by means of massive government subsidies, which only conceal, but do not obviate, the disastrous cost increases.) Germany’s regulated consumer gas bills are scheduled for an average annual increase on October 1 of about 480 euros, about 13%, from an already high 3568 euros.
Anyone with a pair of eyes can see what has happened. They thought they could get rid of fossil fuels just by building lots of wind turbines and solar panels, which don’t work most of the time. Then they suppressed fossil fuel production, because that is the virtuous thing to do. Somehow they lost track of the fact that they needed full backup for the wind and sun, and have no alternative to the suppressed fossil fuels. With supply of fossil fuels intentionally and artificially constrained, prices spiked.
And they have not even yet gotten to 50% of electricity, or 15% of final energy consumption, from wind/sun on an annualized basis.
Is anybody learning a lesson here? Doubtful.
Into the mix has just arrived on September 13 a big new paper from a group of geniuses at Oxford University, with the title “Empirically grounded technology forecasts and the energy transition.” The lead author is named Rupert Way. For your additional reading pleasure, here is another link to some 150 pages of “Supplemental Information” that go along with the article. The release of the Oxford paper was immediately followed by some dozens (maybe hundreds) of articles from the usual suspects in the press exclaiming the exciting news — Switching to renewables will save trillions!!!!!
Could anybody really believe this? A few examples:
- From the BBC, September 14: “Switching to renewable energy could save trillions – study.” “Switching from fossil fuels to renewable energy could save the world as much as $12tn (£10.2tn) by 2050, an Oxford University study says.” The BBC interviewed one of the study’s co-authors: “[T]he researchers say that going green now makes economic sense because of the falling cost of renewables. ‘Even if you’re a climate denier, you should be on board with what we’re advocating,’ Prof Doyne Farmer from the Institute for New Economic Thinking at the Oxford Martin School told BBC News. ‘Our central conclusion is that we should go full speed ahead with the green energy transition because it’s going to save us money,’ he said.”
- From MSN, September 13: “Going green could save world “trillions” – study.” “The Report says predictions that moving quickly towards cleaner energy sources was expensive are wrong and too pessimistic. Even without the currently very high price of gas, the researchers say that going green now makes economic sense because of the falling cost of renewables.”
- Nature World News, September 14: “Due to the Increase of Oil Prices, Switching To Renewable Energy Could Save Trillions Than Using Fossil Fuels.” “An Oxford University study claimed that switching from fossil fuels to renewable energy might save the world $12 trillion (£10.2 trillion) by the year 2050. . . . However, the researchers asserted that the declining cost of renewable energy means that going green currently makes financial sense.”
There are dozens more of these out there should you care to do an internet search.
My main response is: This paper and others like it are exactly why we citizens and taxpayers need to demand a working and fully-costed demonstration project before we allow ourselves all to be used as guinea pigs in the implementation of these preposterous wind/solar fantasies. As I wrote in a post just a few days ago, if this is so easy and will save so much money, then California and New York should show the rest of us how it’s done before everyone else is forced to go along.
The basic technique of the authors here is to snow anyone who attempts to read their work with mountainous piles of sophisticated-sounding mumbo-jumbo. Example (from Summary): “[W]e use an approach based on probabilistic cost forecasting methods that have been statistically validated by backtesting on more than 50 technologies. . . . “ Clearly the hope is that nobody will be able to penetrate the thicket, and all anyone will come away with is “We’ll save $12 trillion!”
Well, the Manhattan Contrarian is not quite that easy to snow. Based on the waste of several valuable hours of my time, here are what I believe to be the main problems with the work:
- The principal driver of the whole thing is a forecast of rapid and continuous declines in the cost of wind turbines, solar panels and batteries. The assumption is that costs of these things will continue to decline exponentially without limit indefinitely into the future. From the “Results” section: “We know of no empirical evidence supporting floor costs and do not impose them . . . “ Of the three technologies at issue (wind, solar, and batteries), the one I know the most about is batteries. Here is the Way, et al., chart of price history of batteries and the projection they use for the future:

That’s a logarithmic scale over at the left. So the chart is showing the cost of Li-ion batteries going down from about $100/[k]Wh in 2020 to something between $2/[k]Wh and about $80/[k]Wh by 2050, with a mid-point of the forecast around $20/[k]Wh.
And in the real world? In June 2021 the government’s National Renewable Energy Laboratory put out a document called its “Cost Projections for Utility-Scale Battery Storage: 2021 Update.” NREL’s figure for the 2020 cost of utility-scale Li-ion batteries (page iv of the Executive Summary) is $350/kWh, compared to the $100/kWh of Way, et al. The difference appears to lie mainly in elements of a real-world battery installation other than the core battery itself, like a building to house it, devices to convert AC to DC and back, grid connections, “balance of plant,” and so forth. So let’s say that we begin with a small discrepancy in the starting point. NREL also forecasts declining costs going forward, but only to a mid-point of about $150/kWh by 2050, which would be 50% above Way et al.’s starting point and well more than an order of magnitude greater than the mid-point of the Way, et al. 2050 forecast.
And we are a couple of years beyond 2020 now, so how is it going? Utility Dive has a piece from April 12, 2022, reporting on the progress of New York in acquiring grid-scale batteries to advance its highly-ambitious Net Zero agenda. Excerpt: “The cost of installing retail, non-residential projects that recently won awards was an average $567 per kWh, according to an April 1 storage report by DPS. In 2020-21, the average installation costs of such projects was $464 per kWh.” In other words, instead of going down, the costs are rapidly going up. Reasons, from Utility Dive: “Crimped supply chains, rising demand for batteries and higher costs of lithium used in ubiquitous lithium-ion batteries make for a steep climb ahead, experts say.” Utility Dive then quotes New York regulators as saying that they expect the costs to go way down by the end of the current decade. Sure.
- As to continuing rapid declines in the prices of wind turbines and solar panels, I’ll believe it when I see it. Yes there have been substantial declines to date. But at this point these strike me as mature technologies. The main issues in getting them built and operational are mining and processing huge quantities of metals and minerals, forming the metals and minerals into the devices, transporting the (very large and heavy) devices to their sites, and installing them. How are those things going to get cheaper by any substantial amount, let alone another order of magnitude?
- The treatment of the energy storage problem in this paper is wholly inadequate, and bordering on the fantastical. The cost fantasies as to short-term storage are discussed above. As to longer term storage, from the Supplemental Information, pages 38-45, it appears that the proposed solution is almost entirely hydrogen, supposedly to be produced by electrolysis from water. (Here, they mostly.call the proposed storage medium “P2X fuels,” somehow implying that it might be something other than hydrogen, much like with New York and its “DEFR” fantasy.). There is currently essentially no existing prototype or demonstration project of this so-called “green hydrogen” anywhere in the world from which realistic cost projections can be derived. (From the 2022 JP Morgan Asset Management Annual Energy Paper, page 39: “Current green hydrogen production is negligible. . . .”). Way, et al., do cite some costs of existing electrolyzers, but I can find no discussion in the paper of the issue that producing hydrogen on a scale sufficient to back up the entire world electricity system is going to require electrolyzing the ocean. And the millions of tons of toxic chlorine gas thereby produced are going to go — where? The problems of dealing with enormous amounts of hydrogen — like explosiveness, embrittlement of pipelines, and the like — are dealt with with a wave of the hand. The creation of a massive green hydrogen infrastructure as the backup for wind and sun hasn’t even been begun by the most fanatical of the green energy crazies like Germany, California or New York. They take one look at the real costs and balk.
The answer of Way, et al., to any of these objections is, you just have to start building the facilities in large enough quantities, and we can assure you that costs will promptly drop like a stone. After all, we have “probabilistic cost forecasting methods” that have been “validated by backtesting on more than 50 technologies. . . .”
Perhaps I should mention that the authors of Way, et al. consist of one senior professor and a bunch of research assistants and post-docs. The senior professor (J. Doyne Farmer) is a mathematician and economist. Way himself is a “Postdoctoral Research Officer.” Matthew Ives is a “Senior Reseach Officer” who previously worked on implementing the Net Zero plans of South Australia. Penny Mealy is an economist at the World Bank with a title of “Associate” at Oxford. All four are part of something at Oxford called the Institute for New Economic Thinking. Lead author Way looks to be under 30. All four specialize in mathematical modeling, and none appears to have any expertise (at least none they are willing to admit to) in how to engineer an electrical grid that works.
We can all see in Europe what happens when you try to suppress fossil fuels and replace them with wind and sun, without having the alternative plan for storage and backup fully costed and engineered and in place for when you need it. But in the face of the ongoing disaster, Way, et al., say, double down! We assure you that if you just spend enough now on renewables and an untried hydrogen system, costs will drop and it will all save you trillions in the end. And after all, they are a bunch of really smart people who work for Oxford.
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Fossil fuel power production wasn’t suppressed because it was virtuous. It was suppressed because power prices are set by availability of supply. If supply is abundant, the price is low. If supply can’t meet demand the price rises dramatically. By eliminating competition, you get high prices. Enron did this kind of manipulation to the power markets in California and rightly got called out. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000–01_California_electricity_crisis Enron did this manipulation with “maintenance” during peak demand. Europe did the by intentionally strangling supply of fossil fuels and permanently shutting down power plants, pipelines, drilling and mining. Enron’s manipulation didn’t destroy the reliable system that generated power. The EU manipulation did.
Anything crime a criminal can do, a government politician can do better.
“Go Green now! I have my eye on this nice little island for my retirement mansion…”
“mining and processing huge quantities of metals and minerals, forming the metals and minerals into the devices, …”
The main thing holding the prices of thise gizmos down has been China’s willingness to use coal fired power planst to power the processes and slave labor. They have plenty of coal, but eventually they will have killed off the last Uighur so they will run out of slaves.
“eventually they will have killed off the last Uighur so they will run out of slaves.”
That’s why they will invade Taiwan !!!
China is already using Tibetan ‘migrant workers’
https://newbloommag.net/2020/10/03/tibet-work-camps/
They’ll probably find more to “import” via the Belt and Road Initiative, after their “deals” impoverish those countries receiving the “benefits.”
From the Wall Street Journal – Sept 12th 2022
As the Biden administration plans for the country’s first West Coast offshore wind turbines, interests ranging from commercial fishing fleets to powerful environmental groups are complicating the road ahead for the California projects.
The Interior Department’s Bureau of Ocean Energy Management expects to hold a lease sale for two offshore regions by the end of the year, one north of Santa Barbara near Morro Bay and another more remote site off Humboldt County just south of the Oregon border.
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I expect to live for another 10 years.
I do not expect these projects to be sending electrons to CA before I check out.
Can ask for 20 years?
Why do the places with the highest green energy penetration always have the highest costs per kwh? In “green” California peak rates can be over 50 cents per kwh whereas in frackllevania (PA) they are less than 10 cents.
No floor to costs?
How about the stuff the devices are manufactured from?
Current battery technology has gained a large chunk of the easy and moderately easy wins in terms of reducing costs. Current battery cost is made up of raw materials being approx 68% of the total cost.
To obtain the additional material you MUST get additional production from the upper end of the cost curve in the absence of finding additional low cost sources (which take 20 years to get to first production based on current mining approvals and assessment methods).
The higher cost ores will require more energy to mine as well, that is usually just powered by unicorn farts in these models.
Another excellent piece by Francis Menton. Nothing needs adding to it. The Contrarian is one of the most incisive comenters exposing the current wave of climate madness.
The uncritical mainstream media reporting of the study he analyzes is a real symptom of how completely crazy its getting.
I think that one of the problems with academics is they don’t bother to find out how the grid actually works and don’t seem to be aware that renewable generation is not equivalent to conventional.
The usual nonsense… without political action on Russia’s part there is more than enough natural gas…
Much of Europe is at over 40% renewable electricity, if not 50%.
In the current circumstances we’d be worse off without renewable electricity.
You don’t know what you are talking about. It’s not even close to 25% if that.
And when was your lobotomy?
If renewables are so wonderful then why has the island of Great Britain been a net exporter of electricity since the middle of April ?
Alternatively, why people shouldn’t “rely” on activists making claims along the lines of :
“But wind turbines can provide an average of [ up to … ] 14 GW of electricity per month !”.
And in the UK at the moment wind is supplying 3.62GW (15%) and fossil fuels 14.33GW (60%). So how are we better off with unreliable electricity?
Over 40% for some minutes of some hours of some days. Hard run an economy on that, or even make your coffee.
Germany produced 40% of their electricity through renewables last year, maybe 7% of all energy.
They did this at ruinous cost and ignored the reliable generation such that they are now dependent on Russia
Because they didn’t plan.
Or maybe because they did plan, have to ask Merkle about that on her way to jail.
The reality is they already have two grids worth of renewable generation to get that 40%.
They could build two more grids for trillions more and only get a few percent more
Because that’s how it is.
I’m sorry you’re so stupid
You are representative of what is wrong with people.
The use of metal piping for hydrogen service over a wide range of operating conditions and purities is already widespread, so cross that one off your worrying list.
Yes, but we’re only really interested here in long-lasting cast-iron pipes under ground. I think I’ll continue worrying.
Air Products’ U.S. Gulf Coast hydrogen network
This is an industrial network running from plant to plant. It is not from supplier to home user. That piping system is larger and mostly iron pipe with leaks.
There are also many, many miles of similar piping inside refineries and chemical plants. If properly designed and maintained, they do not leak. Refineries and chemical plants are required by OSHA to use a leak detection and repair program (LDAR). It’s standard procedure now.
And where does the hydrogen come from? How much energy does it take to produce?
Completely irrelevant to the point I was making. There are no technical reasons stemming from hydrogen attack of steel or steel alloys that precludes transporting hydrogen by pipeline.
Tom, quit being like this. Switch from gas to hydrogen requires replacing ALL the existing piping.
All of it, everywhere.
With expensive stuff you are linking to.
You never seem to think much.
Yes its available. But that does not mean its either cost effective or practical to use it in the same setting as natural gas is currently being used.
Look at a typical terrace house street in London – or indeed in any UK city. You have to get specific to understand it. The gas supply comes in to the houses on old cast iron pipe. Have to replace that, and who knows what the mains supply in the street is carried on. Probably a lot of cast iron there, too.
Then its carried to the different appliances in the building over copper pipe.
Fine, you say, just replace it all. And replace the appliances as well. And the in-house pipes too.
Not so fast. Think about what is involved. First you have to have safe mains supply into the street. Then you have to convert all the houses internal and feed in pipes, and their appliances. Its an absolutely massive task. It means digging up every street in the country. And are you going to do it one street at a time? Otherwise, if you try to do it house by house, you are proposing running a dual duplicate system all over the country.
And think about what it means to relay all those pipes in the houses. They are mostly now buried under floor. The time, expense and disruption would be enormous. How long am I going to be without heat or hot water, while the street gets converted?
This is a whole different story from the conversion from coal gas to natural gas in the last century. There, they did not have to relay all the pipes everywhere, including in the houses.
In addition, the real craziness about the proposals in the UK are that, at the same time as this shiny new hydrogen network is installed, everyone shall be converted to electricity – heat pumps for heating and electricity for cooking. This is a recipe for abolishing the market for the hydrogen before you incur the massive costs of being able to deliver it to everyone. Its completely crazy, and that is even before you consider where this hydrogen is going to come from in the first place. There is no obvious source at the moment except the natural gas people are burning now. Mad.
Perhaps these Oxford research assistants should get away from sitting behind their computer screens looking at models and go outside more often?
And stay out?
No models needed.
The best evaluation of what they call “energy transition” is made with a single, simple and widespread instrument present in all households: the wallet.
Why do we buy into the alarmist BS language.
There will not be a “transition” and there cannot be a “transition” with the current technology set. They can talk about it as if its real all they like , but the reality is unfolding all around the world.
Do nuclear, or do not, there is no “renewable” transition.
Net Zero is a policy of constraining the supply of fossil fuels, until fossil fuels are so expensive that people are forced to use eco-nutter (not green) alternatives.
Which sounds like it might work, until you realise that fossil fuels affect the price of almost everything in a modern economy, and as fossil fuel prices rise, so do the things made with fossil fuels, like windmills, and PV solar, and new power lines, and electric cars.
So, rather than the price of energy rising so that the eco-nutter alternatives become affordable, instead, what happens it that the eco-nutter alternatives start to rise in price, so that they are always more expensive than the fossil fuels.
Of course, if China and Russia just produce winmills and all the econutter variants with fossil fuels, then their price does not rise. But, all that then happens, is that fossil fuels stop being used in the countries that adhere to the econutter cult, and just as many, if not more, are burnt in those that don’t to allow us to buy supposed “Net Zero” energy, which is just exported fossil fuel.
But, let’s suppose the whole world joined the Net Zero cult, what happens. What happens, is that the cost of living literally becomes too high … and many people cannot create enough wealth in the now impoverished economy to buy food & heating to live, so they die. We also see that the cost of fertilisers, pesticides, etc. all rise with the rise in fossil fuel prices, so the output of farming diminishes … until we get back to the kind of outputs available in the 16th century. And, we also get back to the kinds of population levels that we had in the 16th century, and we get back to the kinds of wealth we had in the 16th century and we get back to the same kind of hierarchical societies where democracy has gone, as were present in the 16th century.
You’re forgetting that the Nut Zero stupidity won’t just lead to a lack of AFFORDABLE energy, it will frequently mean the lack of ANY energy.
So forget the notion of 16th Century living – think Stone Age, since absent fossil fuels you will have nothing made of metal or plastic, in addition to a catastrophic shortfall of food production and a lack of transport.
I doubt many here will be surprised to find the World’s most evil man, Bill Gates, and his money laundering foundation are one of the funders of this crap. Rockerfeller is in there too.
I was met with astonishment when I told one person that battery cars would not get cheaper with volume. He was not aware that battery cars use large amounts of minerals that are expensive compared to steel or even aluminium. You dig tons to get just a few pounds and they are ‘dirty’ to mine. So it is easy to see why storage batteries will not get cheaper with increasing demand, and neither will windmills.
The UK has an energy crisis due to decades of idiots in government and a flawed policy of dumping coal generation and not renewing nuclear plants which only leaves gas as a reliable source of power. A grain of common sense would have cautioned against blowing up the coal plants as soon as they had cooled down, and would have allowed the building of the clean coal plant at Kingsnorth.
I’ll believe the science-
Report finds ‘no evidence’ of a climate emergency (msn.com)
and private risk capital-
Private owners net millions in sale of ageing coal-fired power station in NSW (msn.com)
The entire “climate change” narrative is a fantasy. ~20K years ago much of the US was covered in ice. Now there are ~7.5B people on the planet, there is more vegetation, more potable water, more arable land, an increasing greening of the earth. Yet the wealthy globalists are telling us we’re all going to die if we don’t do something about climate change!!! In reality, we’re all going to die if we listen to Schwab, Gates, and the globalist cabal at the WEF. If we do what they want us to do, no food, no energy, no money, if you don’t obey them!
Love the last sentence in the second last paragraph. For some reason all these wonks never include Electrical Engineers. The City of Regina in Saskatchewan produced a Renewable Energy Plan with great fan fare but NO Electrical Engineer anywhere in the mix, lots of advocates and other types of engineers such as systems engineers etc, but nothing from those that design, develop, build and run the systems that actually generate electricity. I think we know why that is.
Cap has a good section today, here’s a bit of it:
“New Study Finds There Is No Climate Emergency
Four leading Italian scientists have undertaken a major review of historical climate trends and concluded that declaring a ‘climate emergency’ is not supported by the data — another story our corrupted corporate media will be quick to bury.
The study, “A critical assessment of extreme events trends in times of global warming”, assessed time series and crisis indicators –such as hurricanes, flooding, heatwaves, crop yields, etc.– and concluded that observations show “no clear positive trends of extreme events.”
Yup, batteries are going to get cheaper:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/lithium-prices-surge-to-record-high-pushing-expensive-ev-costs-even-higher_4735900.html?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=BonginoReport
Phony economics to go with their phony climate science.
“And it gets worse, when it comes to electricity. There is a so-called EU Electricity Market Reform in progress. According to it, producers of electricity – from solar or wind – automatically receive “the same price for their ‘renewable’ electricity they sell to the power companies for the grid as the highest cost, i.e. natural gas.” No wonder the cost of electricity in Germany for 2022 increased by 860% – and rising.”
https://www.unz.com/pescobar/germanys-energy-suicide-an-autopsy/
The level of circular logic and self-delusion is astonishing. They build up useless, intermittent wind and solar, force feed it with “priority” into the grid, do everything possible to abandon coal and nuclear, make themselves completely dependent on gas to back up the worse-than-useless wind and solar, do everything they can do to strangle oil and gas development in their own back yard, and it’s the “high cost of natural gas” that’s the cause of their energy poverty?!!
I’m sure when they start their oil and gas exploration ‘at home,’ they’ll go through similar pretzel logic to credit wind and solar for the decrease in energy costs.
SMH!!!
Can you spot the selection bias:
“… probabilistic cost forecasting methods that have been statistically validated by backtesting on more than 50 technologies…”
Would those by any chance be *successful* technologies, where technological advance uncovered new ways that things can actually be done in the real world that are much more efficient than old ways were? Because for every successful new way of trying to do things there are multiple failed ideas and failed attempts.
These idiots just assume that green energy transition will be efficient/successful and hence will follow the same trajectory as other advances that opened the door to the reaping of vast efficiencies in the real world, when the actual median outcome for a random attempt to find a mother lode of real efficiencies that are there to be reaped in the real world is miserable failure. Most holes come up dry.
Prospecting for efficiency gains is still plenty worthwhile because when a mother lode is discovered, it creates whole industries. It’s the road to the future. But assuming that any particular possible road to the future will turn out to be the road to the future, before any bonanza of efficiency gains has been discovered, that is the mania of an individual prospector, optimistically digging in a barren hole until he dies and his dream dies with him.
Society needs those optimistic gamblers, because sometimes they do hit a mother lode. But only then can society follow. Society can only follow a discovered road.
With their selection bias, these Oxford phonies are taking their mere hope that the road to the future will be found in the particular direction that they are looking and proclaiming it to be an actual discovery of the direction in which efficiency gains will turn out to lie.
No, the directions where transformative efficiencies will turn out to lie cannot be predicted. They are features of reality that need to be discovered. Only once discovered can these roads be followed.
That is the sequence that the 50 earlier breakthroughs followed. Efficiencies were discovered and then followed. The Oxford imbeciles are claiming that is this sequence is reversed it will yield the same results: we can just go in some direction, and the fact that we are heading in that direction will cause us to find efficiencies there.
After all, hasn’t there always been a close correlation between the direction we travelled and the discovery of vastly more efficient ways of doing things?
Yes, because we followed the discovered efficiencies. If we choose our direction first and assume that the efficiencies will follow us, that is how we end up dead at the bottom of an empty hole.
This paper and others like it are exactly why we citizens and taxpayers need to demand a working and fully-costed demonstration project
Best statement in a long while. The US Dept of Energy has spent approx $1T in its existence, and while a good portion of that is dedicated to nuclear issues, I have long been frustrated why they don’t firstly operate some demonstration projects (wind, PVs, solar thermal, etc) in various geographic locales so citizens can get a real cost of new technologies.
Insisting on such a sound approach, and musing why it doesn’t happen, can influence even some very “green” people.
The DoD is going nuclear with Project Pele, Japan’s ruling party is now formally pro-nuclear, and South Korea has a plan for nuclear to make up 30% of their energy. That all suggests nuclear technology will become more efficient and cheaper. I look forward to Rupert Way’s analysis of nuclear. https://www.cto.mil/pele_eis/ https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/skorea-lift-nuclear-powers-share-energy-mix-30-by-2030-2022-07-05/