97% Want UK Green Levies to Be Scrapped

From NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THIS

By Paul Homewood

 Every time there is a poll about Net Zero, the vast majority vote to do “something”.

And every time there is a poll to ask them if they want to pay for it?

  

A poll of Express.co.uk readers shows that 97 percent are in favour of suspending green levies to save on energy bills.

Liz Truss should “scrap not suspend” green levies, according to a new poll of Express.co.uk readers. Last week Prime Minister Liz Truss unveiled a new energy support package to help Britons through the cost of living crisis and manage spiralling energy bills.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1668750/liz-truss-green-levies-energy-bills-cost-of-living-poll-result-spt?mc_cid=211f36602d&mc_eid=4961da7cb1

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Tom Halla
September 16, 2022 6:05 am

I think Brit may have lost faith in the greens.

Solomon Green
Reply to  Tom Halla
September 16, 2022 6:15 am

This Green did many years ago.

paul courtney
Reply to  Solomon Green
September 17, 2022 4:43 pm

Any chance there’s a Mr. Teal out there who also saw the light?

HotScot
Reply to  Tom Halla
September 16, 2022 6:20 am

As has been exemplified in various poll’s, people love being green, until it hit’s their pocket. Last I heard, most Americans won’t pay over $5 a month to maintain their virtue.

The UK’s average fuel bill has gone from about £1,000 a year and is now capped by the government at £2,500 which is about £125 per month extra ($145 at todays exchange rate).

The taxpayer gets stung for the energy companies bills over that and the cap was supposed to be around £3,500 in October, rising to around £6,000 by April 2023 or so.

That’s just for a modest 3 bedroom semi-detached family home which are considerably smaller than many modest American family homes and our climate is nothing like as cold as northern US states.

The government support is promised for two years.

Feelings here are running high about the green boondoggle.

Last edited 18 days ago by HotScot
D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  HotScot
September 16, 2022 1:58 pm

Our personal energy use is profligate by European standards. We use about 1,100 kW-hr of electricity per month on average. We pay about $120 per month. Not extra, just straight up. Our peak gas usage is about 140 therms and that bill might be about $120. Both drop by about 2/3 for 8 months of the year. So, about $2,240 per year. Your current cap is about $2,855. Depending on the gas crunch this year, we may not be far off that.

HotScot
Reply to  D. J. Hawkins
September 16, 2022 3:12 pm

Bearing in mind D.J., we aren’t paying what the energy cost’s should be, the taxpayer i.e. our children will shoulder the burden of what we’re being relieved of at the moment.

Within 6 months or so, all thing’s being equal and there being no government intervention, by next April or so we would be paying £6,000 for annual energy and some are anticipating between £7,000 to 10,000.

As usual, the hysterics never calculate into that some sort of market or government activity, subsidies notwithstanding.

Nevertheless, the state pension on which many people exist is around £10,000 a year max so the current situation for the elderly with no alternative pension provision is intolerable. At £6,000 it would be impossible for them to live. It would be better for them to move to India where they could exist comfortably on that amount of money.

Quite frankly, bad winter or not, there are going to be many unnecessary elderly deaths this year in the UK, assuming there are any vulnerable elderly left following covid.

However, and there is a glimmer of good news, it’s beginning to look like our new PM Liz Truss is fed up with all this cr@p. Instead of taxing everything in sight to pay for this, she seems to be determined people have the opportunity to work their way out it.

I don’t like that government subsidises anything, but unlike covid, this is a genuine, quantifiable emergency.

Liz Truss seems to be taking the capitalist way out. She’s determined to lower taxes on the public, and whilst the myopic amongst us are calling for windfall taxes on energy companies, she’s resisting in order to stimulate them investing in the country.

Shock, horror. A Trump initiative which worked, actually being used elsewhere!

Her’s is a long term plan, compressed into two years before our 2024 elections. If it works and the EU continue on their suicidal path of insisting renewable energy is the future (which won’t last beyond the winter) we will have stolen a march on them, and whilst they continue descending into energy chaos, the UK will be climbing out it with the help of north sea oil, and fracking they continue to refuse to allow in Europe.

That being the case, we are likely to have major European companies begging to open factories in the UK. Nissan/Renault and Toyota already have some of the most productive car manufacturing sites in the world here. Will we see them joined by Mercedes, VW and BMW?

As I learned long ago, there is always opportunity in change, and fortune favours the brave.

Perhaps our Queens final official duty was to hand her baton of success onto her namesake, Elisabeth Truss.

One can only hope.

Tombstone Gabby
Reply to  HotScot
September 16, 2022 5:56 pm

G’Day HotScot,

“It would be better for them to move to India…”

A couple of years ago I was looking to see if India and Jamaica had rules on the nationality of a child born outside the parents respective countries.

Tripped over the conditions placed on a person who wants to move to India. Among other items, fluent in two of the languages spoken in India. Ouch.

mark
Reply to  HotScot
September 17, 2022 1:54 am

Yes . And Truss having had a proper job with Shell (as an economist IIRC) means she understands the numbers and risk. Her other key people likewise have proper engineering and scientific backgrounds.

I am optimistic , despite the current change of Sovereign. That said – if Charles even attempts to counter , in public, that could presage all sorts of interesting issues….

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  HotScot
September 17, 2022 6:53 am

OK, you win. Not that it’s the sort of contest you want to take first place. Wishing you and the UK all the best.

LdB
Reply to  Tom Halla
September 18, 2022 5:34 am

Griff will save the day 🙂

Bill Toland
September 16, 2022 6:10 am

Most Americans won’t even pay $10 a month to fight climate change. 43% won’t even pay one dollar a month. People might say that they are very concerned about global warming but they are not concerned enough to pay more than a pittance.

https://epic-staging.uchicago.edu/insights/how-much-will-americans-pay-to-battle-climate-change/

fretslider
Reply to  Bill Toland
September 16, 2022 6:25 am

Yet how many spend a lot to go where it’s a lot warmer for holidays –

  • self imposed two week climate change; fully reversible.
Richard Page
Reply to  Bill Toland
September 16, 2022 7:11 am

And yet how much have we already been paying without being given a say? How much are our governments giving to these fraudsters without our consent? It’s high time we are all given a say on where our taxes are being spent.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Richard Page
September 16, 2022 9:55 am

Vote. Encourage your family and friends to vote. FJB FLeftists

DrEd
Reply to  Richard Page
September 16, 2022 10:08 am

Elect the right people, dammit

Richard Page
Reply to  DrEd
September 16, 2022 11:52 am

As has been pointed out many times, here in the UK, all of the parties have signed up to the Green fraud; there have been no ‘right’ people up until now that we could elect. Liz Truss may be a step in the right direction but we’ll just have to see.

Bob Hunter
Reply to  DrEd
September 16, 2022 12:56 pm

I believe politics were best summed up by Sam Donaldson in 1992 — “Elections are won on 6 word headlines & 20 second sound bites” My addition, vast majority of people don’t have time to research & investigate the proposed promises. Then add in a biased press. This CDN will point out to my American friends “Inflation Reduction Act” sounds great to many but will actually do very little to reduce inflation. btw the current CDN PM is a master at the soundbite & headline. eg Promise “plant 2 billion trees (over 10yrs) to fight climate change” 3 years later not only have millions $ been handed out, but less than 100 million trees have been planted BUT ignored by the press, what about Canada’s other 318 billion trees or that the logging industry plants approx 600 million seedlings a year.

Robert Hanson
Reply to  Bob Hunter
September 17, 2022 12:45 pm

Because the ““Inflation Reduction Act” (sic) spends (wastes) a great deal of additional tax money, it will not reduce inflation. Rather it will be like pouring gasoline on an already raging fire.

Tony K
Reply to  Bill Toland
September 16, 2022 7:49 am

What global warming?

WBrowning
Reply to  Bill Toland
September 16, 2022 10:18 am

Except that thanks to the “green” Marxists in congress and former Vice President Joe, we are all going to be paying for that crap for years to come.

fretslider
September 16, 2022 6:22 am

One book I doubt Liz Truss will be consulting is “Breathe”. A guide to tackling the climate crisis, by…. Sadiq Khan.

Nobody was ever asked if they wanted green levies in the first place, because dictatorships don’t do that sort of thing. They know what’s best and you – you little people – you just have to suck it up, cos you know it’s right. They told you so.

Some people are beginning to realise they are neo-feudal serfs

HotScot
Reply to  fretslider
September 16, 2022 7:18 am

Sadiq Khan, the London Mayor who can’t control knife crime lectures on how to save the world.

FFS………..

Old Man Winter
Reply to  HotScot
September 16, 2022 7:36 am

His US twin:

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HotScot
September 16, 2022 6:22 am

Can the bug that consigns an edited post to moderation be fixed please.

Pat from kerbob
September 16, 2022 6:31 am

I think it should be user pay.
If you want net zero you must donate all your income to the cause, don a hair shirt and live in a cave without electricity, and can only use gas that emanates from your own body cavities.
There may be many greens decomposing in Europe this winter

H.R.
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
September 16, 2022 5:34 pm

So… they’re going to join Beethoven?

Philip Mulholland
September 16, 2022 6:47 am

We are flushing £50 pound notes down the toilet not Euros, but I understand the choice of optics.

Bryan A
Reply to  Philip Mulholland
September 16, 2022 7:55 am

How long until Chucks face appears on the Pound Notes and Coins

Richard Page
Reply to  Bryan A
September 16, 2022 8:55 am

Probably not until after the coronation and I’ve got no idea when that might be either.

mark
Reply to  Richard Page
September 17, 2022 1:57 am

I heard about six months time

Editor
Reply to  Bryan A
September 16, 2022 9:32 am

The current polymer sterling notes are very robust. I understand it will take up to 2 years to get designs approved and notes put into circulation. Stamps and coins are likely to be quicker. Extraordinary numbers of people are queuing to see the Queens coffin. It is currently 5 miles long and can be viewed live here

Queue tracker live: How long the Queen’s lying-in-state queue is now and latest on when it will start again (inews.co.uk)

Queue time is up to 16 hours. At one time this afternoon people had to go into a queue to join the official queue as numbers are so large.

Dave Fair
Reply to  tonyb
September 16, 2022 10:00 am

Christ! 16 hours! Hasn’t anybody heard about video? Nobody cares about your little virtue signaling for your family, friends and co-workers.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Dave Fair
September 16, 2022 10:51 am

They had “heard about video” on September 13, 2001. Nevertheless, at Her Majesty, the late Elizabeth II,’s request, the Coldstream Guards played:

“The Star Spangled Banner”

Janice Moore
Reply to  Janice Moore
September 16, 2022 10:55 am

Showing such a sovereign respect by standing for hours demonstrates, once again, the great, loving, hearts of the British people.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Janice Moore
September 16, 2022 11:09 am

P.S. Did you have to take Jesus’ name in vain? Does He deserve to be dissed?

Editor
Reply to  Janice Moore
September 16, 2022 11:36 am

David Beckham queued for 13 hours and was visibly moved.

David Beckham weeps as he solemnly walks past Queen’s coffin | Daily Mail Online

It’s not virtue signaling Dave, it is showing respect and love for someone who did her duty so well for 70 years. Many millions more likely would have gone but the media and the govt are trying to bring down the numbers as otherwise hundreds of thousands would still be queuing when the coffin has to be moved on Monday for the State funeral procession which will be a tremendous and moving spectacle

Dave Fair
Reply to  Janice Moore
September 16, 2022 11:05 am

Seems appropriate since the U.S. has protected her UK from the old Soviet Union through the thugocracy of the Russian Federation for the entirety of her reign.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Dave Fair
September 16, 2022 2:05 pm

You are such a troll…

Dave Fair
Reply to  D. J. Hawkins
September 16, 2022 2:40 pm

I see, D.J., facts are trolling. From the 1950s through today the U.S. has protected Europe from Soviet [now Russian Federation (Putin)] aggression. Where is the bulk of the money and material coming from to resist Russian aggression in the Ukraine? The numbers say the U.S. is spending the most to defend a European country, not other European nations.

Please, the only U.S. politician that told Europe to pony up for its own defense was President Donald Trump.

MarkW
Reply to  Dave Fair
September 16, 2022 5:33 pm

I see opinions, I see insults. I see no facts.

Dave Fair
Reply to  MarkW
September 17, 2022 8:09 am

Mark, everything I mentioned is a fact. Show me how they aren’t.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Dave Fair
September 18, 2022 5:26 pm

So you winge on about 16 hour wait lines and slam people for expressing their devotion, and suddenly it’s all about US forces in Europe and Ukraine??? Why didn’t you just yell “squirrel!”

Janice Moore
Reply to  Dave Fair
September 16, 2022 3:21 pm

Mr. Fair. I didn’t word my comment precisely enough. While part of my point was that the Queen is deserving of respect, what I mainly wanted to point out was:

the wonderful dedication of British people to show respect was also directed at us, the U.S.A.. They were not standing in the streets of London wiping tears from their cheeks on September 13, 2001 to “do a little virtue signaling.” Neither are they doing it for that reason, now.

Point: the British people genuinely care.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Janice Moore
September 16, 2022 5:26 pm

Janice, I have no problem with people showing their respect for a long-lived monarch or any other issue they so choose to honor/recognize.

The wait has now stretched to 22 hours. I bet the elites and connected cut in line to make the commoners wait longer.

My main observation is that there are established methods to avoid people standing in line for hours (days!). When visiting the King Tut exhibit in Portland, OR they issued tickets with a timeframe to be there. Disney properties have reservation systems for popular rides. Come on, Britain.

mark
Reply to  Dave Fair
September 17, 2022 2:07 am

Some guy once said something along the lines of “we do these not because they are easy, but because they are hard”. In the same way as getting a taxi to Santiago de Compostella doesn’t really count

The monarch holds a position of considerable influence, providing a focus for unity (as distinct from elected heads of state, henesally!

The monarch also has a literal as well a metaphorical link to religion. This particular monarch, never really in the line of succession, dedicated her life “whether it be long or short” to service. She exemplified the good things in societies, around the world, and of course especially at home in the UK.

So , after 70 years of service, it really isn’t surprising that many, many people would wait patiently in a queue to say one last goodbye.

mark
Reply to  Dave Fair
September 17, 2022 1:58 am

Actually , they do…..

This is normal people , coming together……

Bryan A
Reply to  tonyb
September 16, 2022 10:07 am

She definitely Earned that R E S P E C T

IanE
Reply to  Bryan A
September 16, 2022 10:48 am

What? When she told sceptics they were being selfish not to get the jab?

Janice Moore
Reply to  IanE
September 16, 2022 11:02 am

Cite your source, please, you, an “E.”

In her April 5, 2020 speech about COVID19, the Queen nowhere makes such an accusation. She doesn’t mention vaccinations at all.

Queen Elizabeth II Coronavirus Speech Transcript https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/queen-elizabeth-ii-coronavirus-speech-transcript

mark
Reply to  Bryan A
September 17, 2022 1:56 am

Notes and coins remain in circulation. I remember spending coinage with the last King’s head – and the one before that, in 60’s.

Reply to  mark
September 17, 2022 3:06 am

I was getting Victorian pennies in change back in the 1960s… including the “bun” pennies with Victoria’s younger portrait (and a sailing ship behind Britannia). It gave one a sense of continuity that is being steadily suppressed nowadays..

IanE
Reply to  Philip Mulholland
September 16, 2022 10:46 am

Well, what else would one dump in the EUrinal?

{Probably better not to answer that!}

Geoff Sherrington
September 16, 2022 6:55 am

Good Lord
Common sense is again being allowed in the UK?
Let’s hope its surge is controlled and does not reach outlandish levels.
Geoff S

tgasloli
September 16, 2022 6:55 am

No one will ever willingly destroy their standard of living based on a fantasy designed to give total control to a centralized government of idiots, fools, and failures. That is why they must use propaganda, surveillance, and force. That is why the governments of US, Europe, Canada, etc., are devolving into fascists states.

Of course the Brits don’t want to pay for this!

AndyHce
Reply to  tgasloli
September 16, 2022 4:05 pm

No one

As just one small example, you have heard of Jonestown, no?
Some days the world seems to be at least half full of crazy people.

rho
Reply to  AndyHce
September 16, 2022 7:10 pm

Andy, I’ve read that even at Jonestown some of the people had to be cohered into drinking the cook-aid

Coach Springer
September 16, 2022 7:01 am

Is this a selective audience for the poll?

HotScot
Reply to  Coach Springer
September 16, 2022 7:25 am

The Daily Express, a national newspaper.

John_C
Reply to  Coach Springer
September 16, 2022 9:10 am

Yes, self selective, from newspaper readers, which will trend more “liberal” and “green” than the average Briton. If this is the raw, it should probably be adjusted to 98/99% to allow for the bias.

Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  John_C
September 16, 2022 11:11 am

The Daily Express readers “trend more “liberal” and “green” than the average Briton”? And just 3813 Daily Express readers responded.

Last edited 18 days ago by Retired_Engineer_Jim
HotScot
Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
September 16, 2022 12:10 pm

The Express was a ‘right wing’ newspaper in my 60’s/70’s youth.

All MSM have been captured by the left though, so the Express has shifted to middle/left at best.

If the readership now are voting on the subject you can be reasonably certain the audience is, at best, middle ground, if not left leaning.

Buckeyebob
September 16, 2022 7:15 am

Thank God King Chuck is not in charge

Kevin kilty
September 16, 2022 7:18 am

They will continue this polling until the people get it right.

Alan M
September 16, 2022 7:35 am

There’s that 97% thingo again

Old Man Winter
September 16, 2022 7:53 am

This is a 97% I can live with. I hope it spreads faster & is deadlier than the
Wuhan Flu!

Duane
September 16, 2022 8:15 am

Ideologues of both left and right never learn that for most voters, pocketbook issues rule. Hurt the voters pocketbooks, and they’ll take it out on the party in power in the next election. It never fails.

Brad-DXT
September 16, 2022 8:19 am

This poll suggests that 97% of the country is waking up to the scam, which I would like to believe but, somehow I haven’t shaken off my skepticism. I’ll believe it when the masses start marching on Parliament. This winter will have millions broke, cold, and hungry. I would like to see the poll then.

Dave Fair
September 16, 2022 9:52 am

Ya gotta wonder about the mental health of the 3%.

Olen
September 16, 2022 10:13 am

She should eliminate it.

Peta of Newark
September 16, 2022 10:26 am

Errr, what’s to pay for?
Weren’t we promised that wind and sun are free, renewable and sustainable?

Who are we thus paying?

H.R.
Reply to  Peta of Newark
September 16, 2022 6:03 pm

The sun and wind are free. Shipping and handling charges are a beast, though.

It’s like that £3 item you order online, and the invoice adds £137 S&H.

Hoyt Clagwell
September 16, 2022 10:29 am

Sounds like Maggie was right. Britain has run out of “other people’s money.”

Right-Handed Shark
September 16, 2022 11:02 am

I’m guessing the 3% that voted “no” are wind and solar farm operators, politicians, bankers and civil servants. And griff.

Joe Gordon
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
September 16, 2022 1:51 pm

I’m sure griff (if he’s in the UK) was in the 97% – because levies would come out of his pocket. Now if the vote were for whether to tax everyone else for his perceived benefit, he’d be an enthusiastic yes.

I’m not as encouraged as some by this poll. Those who respond are asked to consider their own wallets. As we know, this whole global warming scam is about arranging affairs so that those who yell loudest get rewarded at the expense of hardworking people.

LdB
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
September 18, 2022 5:37 am

Griff hasn’t been posting much of late because he can’t afford the power … he just needs to build more bird choppers 🙂

Last edited 16 days ago by LdB
Retired_Engineer_Jim
September 16, 2022 11:15 am

The question in the poll was should the tax be suspended. Where did “”scrap not suspend”” come from?

H.R.
September 16, 2022 5:13 pm

Who were the 3%?

My guess is they are total morons or raking in money off of net zero. I’m not seeing many other options.

Paul Hurley (aka PaulH)
September 17, 2022 10:18 am

Not surprising. Why pay good money for nothing?

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