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Obama Installing 2500 Gallon Propane Backup at Marthas Vineyard

Essay by Eric Worrall

h/t Scissor; In a resounding vote of confidence in our new green energy age, President Obama is installing enough propane backup to provide an entire winter of energy independence for his Martha’s Vineyard Holiday Home.

New Fossil Fuel Fan: Obama Orders 2,500-Gallon Propane Storage For Vacation Home

BY TYLER DURDEN
SATURDAY, JUN 18, 2022 – 07:20 AM

Earlier this month, the town of Edgartown, Massachusetts received an application for an underground propane tank installation at Obama’s estate, consisting of two 1,000 gallon-tanks and one 500-gallon tank, to be used for “residential purposes.” 

“We’ve never had a private propane tank come to us,” said a member of the town’s review board. Typical residential storage for back-up generators is 100 to 500 gallons.

At a time when his successor’s economic war on Russia is wreaking havoc on the world and the U.S. economy teeters on the edge of an abyss, Obama’s 2,500-gallon scheme suggests he wants his 6,900-square-foot, seven-bedroom house to be ready for many weeks of energy independence at a time.   

Read more: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/new-fossil-fuel-fan-obama-orders-2500-gallon-propane-storage-vacation-home

Is there a zombie apocalypse nobody told us about? Maybe Obama noticed something others didn’t, last time he visited the White House.

Whatever the explanation, installing more propane gas storage than some service stations, at his seaside villa, is what I consider a real vote of confidence in our green energy future, which President Obama did so much to make happen.

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Alexy Scherbakoff
June 17, 2022 10:06 pm

Looks like the perfect setting for solar and a personal windmill or two.

Old Man Winter
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
June 18, 2022 2:10 am

A couple of these in the water directly in front of his spread & many more of them offshore in the
Atlantic would vastly improve Nobama’s scenic view & score MAGA virtue signalling points!

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Old Man Winter
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
June 18, 2022 2:37 am

Nobama’s scenic view would be vastly improved by putting a couple of these in front of his spread &
out in the Atlantic for as far as the eye can see. What beauty!

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Derg
Reply to  Old Man Winter
June 18, 2022 3:21 am

That is awful 🙁

MarkW
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
June 18, 2022 5:42 am

They tried to install wind offshore from Martha’s Vineyard several decades ago. The rich and powerful objected, so the plan was cancelled.

czechlist
Reply to  MarkW
June 18, 2022 6:45 am

As I recall the loudest objections to MA offshore wind came from that well known “environmentalist” RFKennedy Jr.
He also regretted that kids would no longer longer enjoy snow in VA.

rah
Reply to  czechlist
June 18, 2022 7:40 am

I think it was the now dead Fat Head Ted that was the key objector to the plan. Time to revive it though.

MarkW
Reply to  rah
June 18, 2022 12:12 pm

Revive Ted, or the plan?

Reply to  MarkW
June 18, 2022 12:20 pm

The only thing that I would revive Ted for would be to lock him into a car and throw it into a river.

rah
Reply to  writing observer
June 18, 2022 1:41 pm

Oh a waitress sandwich or a nice big scotch might do it!
While at Ft. Devens I had the misfortune to be tasked to be the pointer when the Post and 10th SFG(A) commander briefed that guy.

Ted had all the classic signs of a chronic alcoholic and blew off the whole point of the briefing which was the problem we had with private pilots overflying the airspace over the post which was by FAA regs restricted up to 10,000 ft.

Every time they would fly over we would have to cease fire on the ranges. But even worse when we were jumping on Turner DZ there would be times some idiot would follow us in the race track and we could not jump and would have to go around several times before they would get the idea they wouldn’t have a front row seat watching us jump.

You wanna see a can full of whoop ass desiring to get hold of some idiot just make a C-130 full of SF troopers stand there hooked up and ready to go out the door stand even longer with 35 Lb. of parachute, rucksacks, and full and combat equipment adding up to 120-150 lb hanging on their bodies.

Nothing was done about it. I swear that if I had a Stinger at the right time and place I would have ended that BS quickly. It would only take once.

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.KcTaz
Reply to  MarkW
June 19, 2022 12:26 am

Can someone who was so pickled in alcohol be revived? I’d think Ted would be a well-preserved specimen but not likely able to ever be revived.

.KcTaz
Reply to  rah
June 19, 2022 12:24 am

You may be right but I, also, thought it was Robert jr. As I remember, whichever one it was, was always carrying on about the environement which doesn’t sound like the Ted I remember but, then, I have trouble remembering where I set my cup of coffee down in the mornings so, you may well be correct. 🙂

Michael Jankowski
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
June 18, 2022 3:01 pm

Why would you want an ex-president to have to suffer with aesthetically ugly and unreliable power? That’s for plebs!

Kelvin Duncan
June 17, 2022 10:08 pm

“The rules I impose do not apply to me.” Humph.

Vuk
Reply to  Kelvin Duncan
June 18, 2022 6:01 am

BoJo:
They are my rules and It’s my party,
and I will break any rules if I want to
Break if I want to
Break if I want to
You could break them too, if it happened to you.
While the Queen was mourning her duke
Carry and Dilyn just walked through the door
Oh, what a birthday surprise
Being ambushed by a cake it was just a fluke.

Bill Powers
Reply to  Kelvin Duncan
June 18, 2022 11:45 am

From the beginning of this Global Alarmism it was clear to me that the Faceless Cultural Elite wanted to reserve fossil fuel for their private planes, yachts, and multiple estates. Let the peasants eat wind and solar powers. When they can get it.

Kemaris
Reply to  Bill Powers
June 18, 2022 7:05 pm

The only thing is peasants are going to get from solar panels is shade. From windmills, we scrounge for bird and bat carcasses for protein while engaging in subsistence farming between the windmills.

Mike Lowe
June 17, 2022 10:09 pm

Wot? No solar or windmill power? Proof of his hypocrisy.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Mike Lowe
June 18, 2022 6:05 am

You needed proof?

Dennis G. Sandberg
June 17, 2022 10:19 pm

Good for Obama. The domestic oil and gas industry is a big tent and we always welcome customers of our diverse products, Solar panels and sufficient battery storage would be too damaging to the environment considering the mining, processing, smelting and more. He must have done the math. Now he should pass his findings on to Brandon.

Duker
Reply to  Dennis G. Sandberg
June 17, 2022 11:07 pm

The island was thinking of a battery storage to provide backup for the 4 underwater power cables, but the cost ( and I guess some other obvious problems) means they will get an additional 5the cable instead. 4 x 2.5MW diesel generators have long been used too

Rich Davis
Reply to  Dennis G. Sandberg
June 18, 2022 8:01 am

Pass his findings on to Brandon?

You mean put it on his teleprompter or say it into his hidden earpiece?

.KcTaz
Reply to  Rich Davis
June 19, 2022 12:32 am

I suspect anything Brandon says came out of the mouth of Obama first. Heck, someone has to be running the country and we know it ain’t Brandon. Now, that Brandon often to always gets confused and probably doesn’t remember what he’s supposed to say and can’t even read the teleprompter, well, that is another story.

John Hultquist
June 17, 2022 10:25 pm

 for an underground propane tank installation  “

I note there is no mention of underground solar or underground wind turbines.

They are still trashing an area in a Chicago park to build a monument to him, even if he was the worst president ever, until Joe squeaked in.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  John Hultquist
June 17, 2022 11:06 pm

You place the underground battery beside the tanks, for extra danger.

Willem post
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
June 18, 2022 7:03 am

Put the whole mansion underground for protection from WWIII

MarkW
Reply to  Willem post
June 18, 2022 12:14 pm

Do zombies know how to dig?

Derg
Reply to  John Hultquist
June 18, 2022 3:22 am

Lol

Reply to  John Hultquist
June 18, 2022 1:40 pm

They are not underground. That was a misreporting. They are above ground.
Freezing-thaw ground heaving and corrosion would be major issues to a below ground propane tank installation without some very expensive engineering.

Michael Jankowski
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
June 18, 2022 3:12 pm

Not generally. In-ground tank installations are pretty common. Being underground regulates the temperature. Proper fill including sand reduces contact with moisture and eliminates contact with surrounding corrosive soils. Even an above ground tank will need proper ground support and may require engineering.

In Obama’s case, the groundwater table might be too high…and getting higher all the time with sea level rise of course lol.

Loren C. Wilson
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
June 18, 2022 3:12 pm

Underground storage would be unsafe.

paul courtney
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
June 18, 2022 4:00 pm

Mr. O’Bryan: Not sure, but I’ve heard salt water is quite corrosive, underground tanks at the shore likely can’t be done- unless Michelle gets pissy and calls the zoning guy a white sup…well, you know, she gets things done.

Rod Evans
June 17, 2022 10:27 pm

Makes you wonder what he will be installing next?
Maybe a private air strip to compliment the helipad? I am sure those will be needed to fully allow Barry the experience and the missing benefits enjoyed by those reliant on just wind and solar power…..

Disputin
Reply to  Rod Evans
June 18, 2022 4:18 am

Maybe a private air strip to compliment the helipad?

OK. That’s a really nice set of lights you’ve got round you.

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Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Disputin
June 18, 2022 8:22 am

“Nobody expects the Grammar Inquisition”!

roaddog
Reply to  Rod Evans
June 18, 2022 10:22 pm

Probably some S400’s.

James H
June 17, 2022 11:19 pm

A house on the coast while he claims to be worried about sea levels rising, and now enough fossil fuels to survive massive blackouts that might happen partly due to his work.

Old Man Winter
Reply to  James H
June 18, 2022 1:48 am

“I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children
that this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.”

Barack Obama  June 3, 2008

Unlike King Canute, The One™ believes he actually did slow the rise of the oceans!

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John Law
Reply to  Old Man Winter
June 18, 2022 5:41 am

Canute was much wiser than Obama: the purpose was to show his subjects that even kings could not control gods works.
Unfortunately Saxon England did not have ‘fact checkers’

Reply to  Old Man Winter
June 18, 2022 1:43 pm

He knew it was the moment his banks accounts began to fatten.

kwinterkorn
Reply to  James H
June 18, 2022 9:09 am

No…..Obama claimed at his first election as president that the sea levels would then stop rising. He is narcissistic enough that he continues to believe what he said….because he said it.

Chaswarnertoo
June 18, 2022 12:00 am

Which Nobel Peace prize winner killed the most children? Yep.

Derg
Reply to  Chaswarnertoo
June 18, 2022 3:23 am

Brown children

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7
Reply to  Chaswarnertoo
June 18, 2022 6:47 am

That’s a toughie given that choices include Yasser Arafat, Mikhail Gorbachev, and Lê Đức Thọ.

The history of the Nobel Peace Prize contains many instances of idealistic delusion. For example the 1927 award went to Ferdinand Bussion (France) and Ludwig Quidde (Germany) “for their contribution to the emergence in France and Germany of a public opinion which favours peaceful international cooperation.”

In January 1933 Adolph H1tler was appointed Chancellor of Germany, after which public opinion didn’t matter much. In fact public opinion ceased to matter over a decade earlier when clandestine “work squads” were formed under Major Bruno Ernst Buchrucker to evade troop limits set by the Versailles Treaty.

Journalist Carl von Ossietzky was awarded the 1935 prize for exposing the secret German re-armament, but neither France nor Britain acted on that information.

Devils Tower
June 18, 2022 12:08 am

They were talked in to using air source heat pumps. Then reality hit when they found out air source heat systems need a full backup for cold weather.

Mark
Reply to  Devils Tower
June 18, 2022 1:10 am

I so wish that was true….

MarkW
Reply to  Mark
June 18, 2022 5:46 am

Which part? The talked into or the full backup?

Old Man Winter
Reply to  Devils Tower
June 18, 2022 1:44 am

Nobama should’ve used geothermal instead of just a heat pump.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Old Man Winter
June 18, 2022 1:38 pm

Won’t that require drilling?

Reply to  Devils Tower
June 18, 2022 1:44 pm

Electricity costs on Martha’s Vineyard eclipse even the high costs of mainland Massachusetts. No doubt Obama is getting walloped with big electric bills. Which I’m okay with.

.KcTaz
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
June 19, 2022 12:40 am

What makes you think Obama is paying for his own keep? If he is really running the country as many people think and seeing the sad state the USA is in, I believe that may well be true, I’m sure he has a great many donors to his upkeep, among other things, to keep him happy and doing favors for them.

Right-Handed Shark
June 18, 2022 1:12 am

What calibre incendiary round is needed to penetrate a propane tank? Asking for a friend..

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
June 18, 2022 4:10 am

Mythbusters found the answer for you.

Disputin
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
June 18, 2022 4:23 am

Well, a 7.62 will do a thin one, but I’d go for a .5 to be on the safe side. Hope your friend finds it useful.

Right-Handed Shark
Reply to  Disputin
June 18, 2022 5:53 am

Thanks guys, I wasn’t really expecting an answer, but I’m sure my friend will be grateful. Now, can anyone lend my friend a very fast boat?

Rich Davis
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
June 18, 2022 8:11 am

I hope nobody thinks of putting a 3D printed ghost gun on a drone. Just sayin’

Gunga Din
Reply to  Disputin
June 18, 2022 1:49 pm

It’s not the caliber, it’s the cartridge behind it.
7.62 is just a .30 caliber bullet.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Gunga Din
June 18, 2022 2:26 pm

A 7.62 X 39 has about the same power as a .30-.30.
A .30-06 will blow them both away.

MarkW
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
June 18, 2022 5:46 am

You’ll need a bunker buster, the tank is underground.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
June 18, 2022 8:08 am

Uh oh! Another red flag! 🚩

Loren C. Wilson
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
June 18, 2022 3:19 pm

It’s not the size of the slug but the amount of powder behind it. Based on several YouTube videos, the Barrett 50 caliber rifle and one properly selected round will be sufficient. Incendiary rounds aren’t easy to come by legally in the USA.

Matthew Sykes
June 18, 2022 2:11 am

Can you believe this guy! What a bullshitter, what a cheat, and yet, as with all climate changistas, they are able to lie and get away with it so unasahamedly.

Old Man Winter
June 18, 2022 2:58 am

The standard size propane tank in MN’s a 500 gal tank which holds 400 gal @ 80%. I guess he’s
competing with Algore for the “Hyocrite-of-the-Month-Club” Award.

FYI, Chappaquiddick’s just E of Martha’s Vineyard. He fits in quite well here. His address is quite apt
& says he fits in on MV, too!

Ron Long
June 18, 2022 3:34 am

The Net Worth of ex-President Obama is $70 million. President salary is about $400,000 per year, X 8 years is about $3.2 million. OK, he got a book deal, etc, but how did he get to $70 million (after he paid $20 million cash for the 2 houses)? Maybe he learned something from Brandon?

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7
Reply to  Ron Long
June 18, 2022 5:43 am

“net worth” includes the value of real estate, minus mortgage balances. If you pay cash for a house, your net worth is unchanged (unless you overpaid).

Both Obama and Brandon are pikers compared to the Clinton Crime Family.

MarkW
Reply to  Ron Long
June 18, 2022 5:47 am

Republicans get rich, then go into politics.
Democrats go into politics to get rich.

Scissor
Reply to  MarkW
June 18, 2022 7:06 am

Money makers have captured virtually every aspect of the entire government. For every program, every transaction, it’s worse than 10% to the big guy, made even worse by debt financing.

.KcTaz
Reply to  Scissor
June 19, 2022 12:44 am

From the looks of things, I’d say it’s more like 90% to the big guys, whoever they are. The suspect list is long and varied.

Scissor
Reply to  Ron Long
June 18, 2022 6:49 am

There are rumors that he came from a CIA family on his mother’s side and his adopted father was also a CIA operative, with much family wealth hidden. It would be nice to know the truth.

Brad-DXT
Reply to  Scissor
June 18, 2022 9:58 am

It would also be nice to know how the money was laundered.

It would also be nice to know how Obama got his citizenship back after his adopted father signed it away to enter him into a madrassa.

MarkW
Reply to  Brad-DXT
June 18, 2022 12:20 pm

Parents can’t legally sign away a minor’s citizenship.
The only person who can surrender your citizenship is you.
Obama didn’t have to get his citizenship back, since he never lost it.

Brad-DXT
Reply to  MarkW
June 19, 2022 12:35 am

He could have renounced his citizenship himself if he went to an embassy, filed the paperwork, and was over fourteen. Since he was younger, you are correct.
It was just something that was too good to check, my bad.

DonM
Reply to  MarkW
June 20, 2022 10:20 am

I can still believe the scenario where he did not ever have it.

“Mom, whoring around gets knocked up by the fast talking ‘king’. They get married and go to Kenya. After having the baby she has to accept that the ‘king’ is a class A bullshitter that will not ever take care of her.

She calls her mom & dad, gets on a plane, and ends up back in Hawaii with a 1 month old baby. Goes to the doctor for checkup. Gets a birth certificate … it is 1961 and no big deal for a doctor to look at a 1 month old and say ‘yep … that was a obviously a live birth, here is your certificate.

Mom later hooks up with another guy and heads to Indonesia. The kid is a burden, so after 10 years she sends him back to grandma and grandpa.”

OR

“Smart Kenyan gets a ride to school in Hawaii. Marries nice white girl and has baby. Things don’t work out, so smart Kenyan goes back home and, because of racism & economic unfairness, never succeeds & dies in a car wreck (also likely because of economic unfairness & racism).

The baby is so wonderful that the grandparents beg the mom to let them raise him. After 10 years the mom finally gives in and lets the grandparents have the wonderful kid.”

Reply to  Ron Long
June 18, 2022 12:28 pm

$100K or more for a half-hour speech adds up. You have to remember, too, that Michelle had a very nice gig going, turning away welfare patients from her tony hospital in Chi-town.

Scissor
Reply to  writing observer
June 18, 2022 3:25 pm

That’s like 50 cents for every time he says “I” or “me.”

T Hill
Reply to  Ron Long
June 18, 2022 1:16 pm

He got huge “develop” deal from Netflix. T

Michael Jankowski
Reply to  Ron Long
June 18, 2022 3:15 pm

He had a $400k speaking fee in 2017.

Matt Kiro
June 18, 2022 3:45 am

Somehow I don’t see him spending all winter at this house. There’s not exactly alot to do there at that time. There’s no need for that much gas.

I also suggest he start getting to the island by sailboat with an extra pair of oars if the wind stops

bcullen1815
Reply to  Matt Kiro
June 18, 2022 4:24 am

That was my thought. That is a lot of gas for the occasional stay. Perhaps there are propane fueled generators?
How much are taxpayers contributing to this boondoggle?.

peter schell
Reply to  bcullen1815
June 18, 2022 6:24 am

you’re forgetting the likely caretakers. I bet he has a live in caretaker or two that keeps the main building ready for instant occupancy.

Brad-DXT
Reply to  peter schell
June 18, 2022 10:01 am

Not to mention Secret Service guards to make sure that no one digs down to his propane tanks to plant an incendiary device.

roaddog
Reply to  peter schell
June 18, 2022 10:25 pm

One or two? More likely a dozen.

paul courtney
Reply to  roaddog
June 19, 2022 5:37 pm

And Michelle gets two dozen.

Right-Handed Shark
Reply to  Matt Kiro
June 18, 2022 6:01 am

What a terrible choice he has to make.. when winter comes around, should I stay in my house in Martha’s Vineyard or my house in Hawaii? Decisions, decisions..

Rich Davis
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
June 18, 2022 8:28 am

Truly a martyr for his country.

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Rich Davis
June 18, 2022 12:09 pm

He deserves it as a veteran of the climate (perception) wars.

Rich Davis
Reply to  ResourceGuy
June 18, 2022 1:18 pm

Plus, he stopped the rise!

.KcTaz
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
June 19, 2022 12:49 am

A Waterfront house in Hawaii, mind you. Odd how all these wealthy CAGWers own oceanfront property they all say is disappearing any day now, isn’t it?
Washington Examiner: Climate activists invest in property on beaches they say are disappearing
https://bit.ly/2Sagivk

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/06/18/washington-examiner-climate-activists-invest-in-property-on-beaches-they-say-are-disappearing/ via

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7
June 18, 2022 4:25 am

The original article in the Daily Caller doesn’t say whether the propane is for home heating and cooking or to run a backup generator. It also doesn’t say whether all this is being paid for by US taxpayers because it is somehow related to needs of his security detail.

Curious minds want to know.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7
June 18, 2022 5:15 am

A Command Post needs an uninterrupted energy supply.

Windmills and solar don’t qualify.

Chuck_M
June 18, 2022 4:38 am

He should only be allowed to fill them with green hydrogen produced from offshore wind turbines within view of his estate.

bluecat57
June 18, 2022 4:40 am

Fossil fuels ⛽️ for the WIN!

rbabcock
June 18, 2022 4:45 am

Since he will have secret service people at his side until the end, how do we know the US Federal government didn’t pay for this? Some enterprising journalist could find out, but that would be the end of the journalist’s career.

H.R.
June 18, 2022 4:49 am

My guess is that HWSRN (He Who Shall Remain Nameless, No. 44) does not plan to stay on Martha’s Vinyard during the Winter. 2,500 gallons of propane should last a while.

Will 2,500 gallons of propane be available by the time the tanks are installed? Will there be any diesel for the trucks to haul 2,500 gallons of propane to the tanks? If the tanks get filled, will there be any propane for a refill?

Is HWSRN doing the same for his Hawaii Palace? Heating and cooling aren’t much of an issue in Hawaii, but electricity will be.

His D.C. pad doesn’t have much room for diesel or propane storage. He had better be hoping the D.C. grid stays supplied and plenty of natural gas is available.

We should be getting answers to all of those questions soon enough.

Mayor of Venus
Reply to  H.R.
June 24, 2022 8:58 pm

I had no idea Hank Hill has an important customer so far from the Dallas – Ft. Worth region of Texas. As for refilling those tanks, Hank Hill is noted for excellent customer service.

D Boss
June 18, 2022 5:10 am

Nope! 2500 gallons of propane might last for 30-40 days if the mains is down. Less in winter as heating ~7,000 ft² on top of electrical loads will eat that evil fuel much faster.

For reference, a 20 kW Generac generator run on propane burns between 2-3 gallons per hour. (propane is liquid at modest pressure and room temp) (and you need to deliver it as liquid for an engine, which vaporizes it in a carburetor)

The fuel burn is not that much lower if the load is minimal, as these must maintain 3600 rpm to provide 60 Hz, so even at no load it still burns a lot just to maintain the proper mains frequency.

https://www.alternativepower.com/generac-generator-fuel-consumption-how-long-will-a-generac-run/

The nobama isn’t stupid – he knows the result of his and his cult’s actions on climate and energy are headed for serious blackouts and misery for the common folk. But 2500 gallons is not going to last long if supply chain is non existent! You might stretch it to a year if you only operated the generator once a week for say 10 hours to wash clothes, take a hot shower, and cook some food to last the week…..

Steven Pfeiffer
Reply to  D Boss
June 18, 2022 5:19 am

Yep. Assuming a net capacity of 2,500 gallons and one annual fill up:

2,500 gallons x 91,500 Btu/gallon divided by 7,000 GSF = 32,678 Btu/GSF per year.

If it was for space heating and domestic hot water only, that would be a decent number for a year for a well-insulated modern house.

As you say, though, add in load for the backup generator and you would need at least one more fill up to get through a year.

H.R.
Reply to  Steven Pfeiffer
June 18, 2022 5:53 am

I think that the Marta’s Vinyard only has to have enough heat to keep the water pipes from freezing. No one will be home during the Winter.

I hadn’t thought of it, but I’d think the security system for the property would be gold plated and use a fair amount of electricity whether or not anyone is at the house.

MarkW
Reply to  H.R.
June 18, 2022 12:23 pm

I suppose the waste heat from the generator could be used for heating.

H.R.
Reply to  MarkW
June 18, 2022 5:33 pm

Yeah, Mark. And I’d guess that there would probably be a skeleton security crew on premises. Shut up most of the house and only heat the guest house or guest quarters. Keep the rest at 45(F) or so.

rah
Reply to  D Boss
June 18, 2022 6:13 am

In Beirut Lebanon in 1984 I, with part of my team, was tasked as an immediate reaction force for the US Ambassadors residence when things went to crap there. We stayed in an apartment not far away from the residence abandoned by an officer that had been sent to a safer place .

They ran the generator for the building until 20:00 local and then shut it down until 07:00 local.

We were quite comfortable there. Every night we could go up on the roof of the multistoried building which sat on a hillside and see excellent fireworks displays.

rah
June 18, 2022 5:24 am

Tony Heller is also sounding off on this.

Beware Of False Prophets | Real Climate Science

rah
June 18, 2022 5:37 am

Joe Bastardi in his latest Atlantic Hurricane forecast said he would “be very surprised if there are not one or two hurricane threats in the NE.”

New England has not been hit by a hurricane since 1991 (Sandy in 2012 was not a hurricane when it came ashore). The overall record however indicates that a hurricane strikes up there every 7 years on average.

If one is going to hit up there this year I now know exactly the point I would prefer to see it hit.

peter schell
June 18, 2022 5:57 am

In his shoes I’d have done the same. My family who live in a rural area prone to blackouts have a Generac backup which will give them weeks of power if needed.

Mind you if I lived in California it would not be legal.

rah
June 18, 2022 6:43 am

Back when Ted Kennedy was alive there was an effort to line the waters off of that section of coast with bird choppers. Kennedy fought it off. Maybe it is time to revisit that proposal.

Gordon A. Dressler
June 18, 2022 7:02 am

There’s no question as to why the town of Edgartown, Massachusetts rubber-stamped Obama’s application for his massive personal propane storage tanks.

But I wonder if anyone in the city’s offices thought for even one moment about the consequences of there being a potential massive leak of propane from this storage . . . perhaps due to an earthquake, a tsunami, poorly-constructed pressure joint seal, or unexpected corrosion due to placement underground.

I serious doubt that Obama’s storage design/review process, defined as being for “residential purposes”, had to meet the same design and safety standards as those for a large commercial above-ground propane storage facility.

The ultimate danger of a massive propane leak that is subsequently ignited is that associated with a large fuel-air explosive (FAE) bomb, also know as a thermobaric weapon (ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermobaric_weapon )

Steve Oregon
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
June 18, 2022 7:33 am

Having installed large petrol tanks I can assure you they are strictly regulated and the standards are mighty tough.
There is no earthquake that will burst a tank and the millions of propane tanks everywhere place make their safety record well established and abundantly clear.

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Steve Oregon
June 18, 2022 8:50 am

Meanwhile, the Consumer Product Safety Commission estimates roughly 600 propane tank explosions occur each year.
(source: https://www.levcooil.com/blog/can-a-propane-tank-explode/ )

And there is this from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_explosions :
31 December 2020 — a propane tank explosion injured two in Honolulu, Hawaii
17 February 2021 — propane tanks exploded at Al’s Corner Oil Company
8 May 2021 — four people were seriously injured by a propane tank explosion which occurred during a crawfish boil in Louisiana
6 July 2021 — a propane tank explosion destroyed part of a house, and flung debris onto the street
31 December 2021 — a man was killed after a propane tank exploded inside a house
17 February 2022 — a small propane tank exploded underneath the Old Salem Road bridge near the CSX Murfreesboro-Nashville line railroad tracks

Should I let your hubris-filled statement “There is no earthquake that will burst a tank”, go unchallenged? Nope, can’t do that.

Here are verbatim extracts from a report by S. Zama, et.al., of the
National Research Institute of Fire and Disaster, Japan, concerning the rupture of a LPG storage tank caused directly by ground motion of the March 11, 2011 Great Tōhoku Earthquake (viewable and downloadable at https://www.iitk.ac.in/nicee/wcee/article/WCEE2012_0238.pdf ):
“5. DAMAGE BY STRONG GROUND MOTIONS
. . . an LPG spherical tank collapsed due to the strong ground motions and fires and
explosions with fire balls occurred at the LPG tank site as shown in Fig.14 in Ichihara city which locates on the eastern shore along the Tokyo bay. It took ten days to extinguish fires. The diameter of the largest fire ball in the explosions is about 600m judging from the height of the plant extractor stack pipe. Many fragments of the LPG tanks scattered in the explosions, therefore the fire spread to the asphalt tanks, the control room and the neighboring factory. Furthermore, sheet metals flew several km to the adjacent inhabited areas, and the evacuation order to inhabitants near the tank site was issued by the mayor of Ichihara city.” 

I have taken the liberty to attach the Figure 14 photo from this report.

Ichihara LNG Tank Explosion.jpg
John Hultquist
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
June 18, 2022 12:44 pm

Often, the connections leak and a room fills with gas. The room or structure explodes, not the tank. This happened twice last year in Roslyn WA when heavy snow slid from a roof on to the lines.
A neighbor’s tank is 25 yards from her house.

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  John Hultquist
June 18, 2022 2:51 pm

I have to assume that Consumer Product Safety Commission, US accident investigators and the National Research Institute of Fire and Disaster, Japan, have enough sense to be able to distinguish a gas leak explosion from what they specifically identify as a tank explosion.

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Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
June 18, 2022 9:02 pm

I think that you will find that Martha’s Vineyard and environs is not a strong geologically active area.

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
June 19, 2022 9:13 am

” . . . Martha’s Vineyard and environs is not a strong geologically active area.”

Well, that may be true compared to areas along the Pacific Ring of Fire, but I need point out that it only takes one earthquake of sufficient magnitude over a wide area to cause major structure damage.

From https://turnto10.com/weather/weather-blog/the-science-behind-the-earthquake-that-shook-southern-new-england :
“While earthquakes in New England are generally much weaker compared to those on defined fault lines, their reach is still impressive. Sunday’s 3.6 was felt in Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York, and New Hampshire.
According to the USGS, moderately damaging earthquakes strike somewhere in the region every few decades, and smaller earthquakes are felt roughly twice a year.
“The largest known New England earthquakes occurred in 1638 (magnitude 6.5) in Vermont or New Hampshire, and in 1755 (magnitude 5.8) offshore from Cape Ann northeast of Boston.
“The most recent New England earthquake to cause moderate damage occurred in 1940 (magnitude 5.6) in central New Hampshire.”
(my underlining emphasis added)

So, based on the above quoted reference to the USGS, the New England area (which included the State of Massachusetts, and thus Martha’s Vineyard) is long overdue for a moderately damaging earthquake.

Not only that, but Obama’s Martha’s Vineyard house is located at sea level less than one mile from the Atlantic Ocean, and consequently I predict that it well not fare well if any earthquake in the New England area has sufficient ground movement to trigger a major tsunami.

But let’s keep rollin’ them dice, hoping to never come up ‘snake eyes”.

Steve Oregon
June 18, 2022 7:03 am

Obama is likely doing this for power generation to avoid power outages.
He has, or will have, a fully automated, whole house generator (25KW or more) powered by the propane so that when the grid goes down he will be fully operational and living large.
It is very common now. Many people with the means to do so install generators. They are fully automatic, quiet, reliable and relatively affordable. But they are usually hooked up to Nat Gas or propane already servicing the home.
Obama is spending much more to add the underground tanks.

David Dibbell
June 18, 2022 7:51 am

Channeling Peter Kalmus: “No one *needs* that much propane backup.”

n.n
June 18, 2022 9:08 am

A climate of hypocrisy… the not so heavy burden (not that “burden”) of bigotry.

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John
June 18, 2022 9:25 am

AG Pax­ton Joins Coali­tion to Open Off­shore Oil and Gas Leas­es, Fight Against Ris­ing Ener­gy Prices
https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/news/releases/ag-paxton-joins-coalition-open-offshore-oil-and-gas-leases-fight-against-rising-energy-prices

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ResourceGuy
June 18, 2022 9:33 am

Is it green propane or reparations propane?

Brad-DXT
Reply to  ResourceGuy
June 18, 2022 10:18 am

Reclaimed or recycled propane?

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Brad-DXT
June 18, 2022 11:35 am

It’s look-the-other-way propane for the media.

ResourceGuy
June 18, 2022 11:13 am

At least he doesn’t have his “head in the the sand” on the need for more fossil fuels for the winter.

Obama rebukes skeptics on climate change | DW Learn German

The same goes for Griff Ltd.
UK firm signs deal to bolster gas supplies as war in Ukraine continues (cnbc.com)

June 18, 2022 11:24 am

Today Russia caused Joe Biden to fall off his bike

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rah
Reply to  Phil Salmon
June 18, 2022 1:26 pm
DonM
Reply to  Phil Salmon
June 20, 2022 10:43 am

“Toe clips, Joe, toe clips.”

The secrete service guy on the bike behind him failed to remind him.

Says Biden, after the fall, “Any of you guys ride bikes? Well, they have some that have this thing you put your toe in, it restrains your foot so it doesn’t slide off the pedal. I was getting off the bike, and it got stuck on the right side.”

As a result, he will lean even further left.

(Training wheels Joe, training wheels.)

ResourceGuy
June 18, 2022 11:43 am

What a con job of a President.

Doonman
June 18, 2022 12:30 pm

It was always a dream from my father to install his own personal 2500 gallon propane tank. Sadly, all he had could do was to use natural gas. But that was before it was evil.

Reply to  Doonman
June 18, 2022 1:49 pm

Using Natural gas from a utility supplier is still way cheaper than propane on a BTU per dollar basis.

rah
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
June 18, 2022 2:12 pm

Yep. But my NG bill is now triple what it was last winter. I can tell just by the bill for the pilot light.

Walter Sobchak
June 18, 2022 12:56 pm

Isn’t Obama concerned that the rising sea levels will wash away the house and the tanks?

rah
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
June 18, 2022 1:29 pm

No.
Not concerned about SLR
Not concerned about hurricanes getting stronger or more frequent
But he is obviously quite concerned about the power grid becoming unstable.

Rob_Dawg
June 18, 2022 1:27 pm

> President Obama is installing enough propane backup to provide an entire winter of energy independence for his Martha’s Vineyard Holiday Home.

President Obama is installing enough propane backup to provide an entire winter of energy independence for his coastal Martha’s Vineyard Holiday Home.

Fixed that fer ya.

Bob
June 18, 2022 2:11 pm

He is a liar and a cheat.

Simon
Reply to  Bob
June 18, 2022 3:15 pm

Sorry which president are you talking about?

Peter Wells
Reply to  Simon
June 18, 2022 4:09 pm

Correction – presidents! (plural)

Captain climate
June 18, 2022 4:47 pm

Irony is dead.

Kemaris
June 18, 2022 7:18 pm

I just ordered propane from my local company for $7.40/gallon. Round numbers, his tanks will take about 2,000 gallons, so about $15,000 to fill once. He can do that just by gaslighting an audience for five minutes. Must be nice.

June 19, 2022 11:19 am

“Obama Installing 2500 Gallon Propane Backup at Marthas Vineyard” Obviously, the home does not satisfy California’s “Net Zero” regulations.

Andy Pattullo
June 19, 2022 5:31 pm

Obama and his petard should come into an intimate relationship of shared reality.

OBloodyHell
June 20, 2022 10:08 am

 is what I consider a real vote of confidence in our green energy future,

“Rules for thee but not for me…”
— Liberal mantra —

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