Guest essay by Eric Worrall
The diverse predictions produced by 20 major research centres represent “strength in numbers”, according to UCL Professor of Earth System Science Mark Maslin.
Three reasons why climate change models are our best hope for understanding the future
Mark Maslin
Professor of Earth System Science, UCLIt’s a common argument among climate deniers: scientific models cannot predict the future, so why should we trust them to tell us how the climate will change?
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Deniers often confuse the climate with weather when arguing that models are inherently inaccurate. Weather refers to the short-term conditions in the atmosphere at any given time. The climate, meanwhile, is the weather of a region averaged over several decades.
Weather predictions have got much more accurate over the last 40 years, but the chaotic nature of weather means they become unreliable beyond a week or so. Modelling climate change is much easier however, as you are dealing with long-term averages. For example, we know the weather will be warmer in summer and colder in winter.
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Here’s a helpful comparison. It is impossible to predict at what age any particular person will die, but we can say with a high degree of confidence what the average life expectancy of a person will be in a particular country. And we can say with 100% confidence that they will die. Just as we can say with absolute certainty that putting greenhouses gases in the atmosphere warms the planet.
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Strength in numbers
There are a huge range of climate models, from those attempting to understand specific mechanisms such as the behaviour of clouds, to general circulation models (GCM) that are used to predict the future climate of our planet.
There are over 20 major international research centres where teams of some of the smartest people in the world have built and run these GCMs which contain millions of lines of code representing the very latest understanding of the climate system. These models are continually tested against historic and palaeoclimate data (this refers to climate data from well before direct measurements, like the last ice age), as well as individual climate events such as large volcanic eruptions to make sure they reconstruct the climate, which they do extremely well.
No single model should ever be considered complete as they represent a very complex global climate system. But having so many different models constructed and calibrated independently means that scientists can be confident when the models agree.
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Errors about error
Given the climate is such a complicated system, you might reasonably ask how scientists address potential sources of error, especially when modelling the climate over hundreds of years.
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We scientists are very aware that models are simplifications of a complex world. But by having so many different models, built by different groups of experts, we can be more certain of the results they produce. All the models show the same thing: put greenhouses gases into the atmosphere and the world warms up. We represent the potential errors by showing the range of warming produced by all the models for each scenario.
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Read more: https://theconversation.com/three-reasons-why-climate-change-models-are-our-best-hope-for-understanding-the-future-175936
I have a few problems with these arguments:
- Comparing climate models to life expectancy models in my opinion is a false comparison.
Life expectancy models are constructed from millions of independent observations, medical records vs time of death. By contrast, climate scientists struggle to reconstruct what happened yesterday. There is a significant divergence between temperature reconstructions of the last 30 years, let alone climate projections.
(source Wood for Trees)
- “Millions of lines of code” are not a source of confidence. Millions of lines of code are millions of opportunities to stuff up. As a software developer I’ve worked with physicists and mathematicians. They all think they know how to code, but with very few exceptions they wrote dreadful code.
The problem I saw over and over was that mathematics and physics training creates an irresistible inner compulsion to reduce everything to the simplest possible expression, even when such reduction means ditching software best practices designed to minimise the risk of serious errors. I knew what to expect well before I read Climategate’s “Harry Read Me“. - If the climate models were fit for purpose, scientists would only need one unified model. The fact there are many diverse models is itself evidence climate scientists are struggling to get it right. Compare this plethora of climate models to say models used to predict the motion of satellites. If satellite orbital predictions were as uncertain as climate projections, it would not be possible to create a global position system which can tell you where you are on the Earth’s surface to within a few feet.
- Climate models may contain major physics errors. Lord Monckton, Willie Soon, David Legates and William Briggs created a peer reviewed “irreducibly simple climate model“, which appears to demonstrate that most mainstream climate scientists use a grossly defective climate feedback model.
… In official climatology, feedback not only accounts for up to 90% of total warming but also for up to 90% of the uncertainty in how much warming there will be. How settled is “settled science”, when after 40 years and trillions spent, the modelers still cannot constrain that vast interval? IPCC’s lower bound is 1.5 K Charney sensitivity; the CMIP5 models’ upper bound is 4.7 K. The usual suspects have no idea how much warming there is going to be.
My co-authors and I beg to differ. Feedback is not the big enchilada. Official climatology has – as far as we can discover – entirely neglected a central truth. That truth is that whatever feedback processes are present in the climate at any given moment must necessarily respond not merely to changes in the pre-existing temperature: they must respond to the entire reference temperature obtaining at that moment, specifically including the emission temperature that would be present even in the absence of any non-condensing greenhouse gases or of any feedbacks. …
Read more: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/08/feedback-is-not-the-big-enchilada/
Lord Monckton’s point is, since feedback is a function of temperature, feedback processes can’t tell the difference between greenhouse warming and the initial starting temperature, all they see is the total temperature. You have to include the initial starting temperature alongside any greenhouse warming when calculating total feedback, you can’t just use the the change in temperature caused by adding CO2 to the atmosphere. Making this correction dramatically reduces estimated climate sensitivity, slashes future projections of global warming, and removes the need to panic about anthropogenic CO2. - Cloud error. As Dr. Roy Spencer explains in a 2007 paper which supports Richard Lindzen’s Iris Hypothesis, clouds are potentially a very significant player in future climate change. Yet as scientists sometimes admit, climate models do a terrible job of explaining cloud behaviour. If climate models can’t explain major processes which contribute to global surface temperature, they are not ready to be used as a serious guide to future surface temperature.
Why are climate scientists so keen to have models accepted, why do they seem so ready to gloss over the shortcomings? The following quote from a Climategate email provides an important hint as to what might have gone wrong;
… K Hutter added that politicians accused scientists of a high signal to noise ratio; scientists must make sure that they come up with stronger signals. The time-frame for science and politics is very different; politicians need instant information, but scientific results take a long time …
Source: Climategate Email 0700.txt
In my opinion, political paymasters demanded certainty, so certainty is what they got.
Science needs people like Mark Maslin, who are confident and willing to defend their positions and models.
I’m not suggesting Mark Maslin is in any way following the money or acting in a way which is contrary to his conscience. If there is one thing which comes through very clearly in the Climategate emails, that is that the climate scientists who wrote them are utterly sincere.
What in my opinion broke climate science is the other side of this equation was all but eliminated. What I am suggesting is climate scientists who were not confident in their models and their projections mostly got defunded, via a politically driven brutal Darwinian selection process which weeded out almost everyone who wasn’t “certain”.
We can still see this happening today. Climate scientists who support politically approved narratives receive lavish funding, while those like Peter Ridd who question official narratives, not so much.
I’m not against climate models as such, I believe there is a chance, though not a certainty, that eventually we shall have a comprehensive model of climate change which can produce worthwhile projections of future climate. What I dispute is that most current climate models which tend to run way too hot are fit for purpose. In my opinion, climate models should be regarded as a work in progress, not an instrument which is useful for advising government policy.
Correction (EW): Fixed the title in the quoted article.
Correction (EW): h/t Climate believer – fixed a typo.
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‘Modelling climate is much easier however, as you are dealing with long-term averages.’
Implicit in this remark is the erroneous assumption that estimating those averages is simpler than weather forecasting. Such a remark betrays ignorance of the problem. Sometimes you read activists claiming that the science is simple, is schoolboy’s physics. Well, if you think heat transfer in the atmosphere is schoolboy’s stuff, then you get the wrong answer.
>> the CMIP5 models’ upper bound is
irrelevant, after CMIP6 models show significant differences with their improved (but still very incomplete) cloud parametrization. This also means
>> But by having so many different models
is not helpful!
The fact that CMIP6 models have a slightly better parametrization and significantly different results, does not mean they produce helpful data all of a sudden, but it does mean weaker models are not correct… CMIP5 are obsolete!
(and the arguments that Exxon models from the 70ties would prove anything is just laughable)
The only thing which becomes more and more clear is, after more than 50 years of modeling, their helpful contribution to science is still questionable!
“Redge” asked in the Peterson article
>> If the climate models are remotely accurate, why do we need more than one?
This post isn’t scientific it is propagandistic and is not worth the effort to debunk it.
As the old saying goes, “Don’t participate in a greased pig contest … you’ll only get greasy and dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.”
“The biggest problem with computer models is getting them to match-up with reality.”
“And we can say with 100% confidence that they will die. Just as we can say with absolute certainty that putting greenhouses gases in the atmosphere warms the planet.”
Most HS seniors can find the fault in the above comparison. The former is falsifiable; the latter is not.
When you model weather, you are accountable within a week.
When you model climate, you use fake data and are dead before you can be held accountable.
Truth is politicians have no idea about climate. It is no wonder they will go for the most confident person. Scientists must convince politicians of the difficulty in long term predictions. That would be those not involved in insider trading.
The climate models have an awful record. If these climate scientist could truly model the infinitely complex climate to the accuracy they claim, they would all be working for Goldman Sachs. The fact that these “scientists” make such nonsensical claims proves they don’t understand how difficult a challenge they face.
https://youtu.be/K_j1NoBRQ6U
Dear Professor Maslin:
You are either mendacious or deluded.
Your Precious models predict:
A tropical troposphere hotspot that does not exist.
Disappearance of Summer Arctic sea ice. It hasn’t.
Accelerating sea level rise. It isn’t.
ECS >3 when observationally it is about 1.7.
Half the ocean rainfall that ARGO observes.
And, as posted here before, they fail for a very basic reason you cannot fix. Thanks to the CFL constraint, modeling at appropriate scales (grid cell about 4km to represent thunder storms) is computationally intractable by 6-7 orders of magnitude. So, they have to be parameterized. And no matter how cleverly done, that drags in the attribution problem of natural variation, which is easily proven to exist, but which you and your models ignore.
What he meant to say was:
Manipulating bad data to fit your agenda is very easy
He’s clearly either deluded or just unable to accept the truth.
Agree, modelling is the best hope, all other intuitive and simplified approaches I have seen are even less usefull. And current models are not convincing in their performance and analytically inaccessible because of their complexity. The fact that they have been changing tells the tale.
They are changing cloud parameterizations because their aerosol parameterizations have been proven to be bunk. The UN IPCC CliSciFi AR6, however, had to reject all the hottest CMIP6 “improved” models because they ran ridiculously, even laughably hot. And yet the CliSciFi modelers pumped them out with straight faces.
I agree the arguments presented to defend climate models are specious. If they want to defend climate modelling they need only point to all the successful predictions those models have produced. Oh…. right! Kind of like trying to demonstrate your perpetual motion machine to an engineer.
How is it possible that this guy has become professor at one the top universities in the world, ahead of Oxford and Cambridge in many subjects, when he comes out with nonsense such as this? It just beggars belief.
There’s no need for a complex rebuttal of his argument — the simple truth is he has zero understanding of statistical errors and how these manifest themselves in climate models. Nor does he understand or appreciate the impact of multiple variables, many of which are co-linear, for any model let alone one for non-deterministic system systems such as climate.
This guy’s peers need to look very seriously at his teaching and research because he’s a complete idiot. There is just no other word for it. God help mankind if this is the standard of academic excellence in today’s top universities.
Don’t confuse UCL with UCLA.
Er, I’m not. UCL is in London and one of the world’s best universities.
It’s much easier because you can be assured that you’ll never be held accountable for being wrong for something that can’t be proven until a half century after you’re dead. Heck, we don’t even hold weather forecasters responsible for what they said yesterday.
Prof. Maslin’s argument might make a little sense if all climate models were completely independent from each other in conception and methodology. Unfortunately, they’re not. They all have the same magic control knob. The surprise really is how different the models are. I’m disappointed that they still cannot hindcast worth a damn. Call me when the entire Holocene ice core delta-18O record from both hemispheres can be approximated with a climate model. That, I’d like to see.
I suggest the prof watch Richard Feynman’s lectures series on the scientific method. If the model’s output doesn’t match the observation it’s junk
I actually kind of agree that climate change modeling COULD be easier than weather. The key is 1) you need to get all the base assumptions correct and 2) understand all the natural variation that comes into play. This is where the current crop of climate models fail and fail on both counts.
1) Climate models get the basic assumption of energy transfer within the atmosphere wrong. The claim of 3.7 W/m2** of forcing from a doubling of CO2 is simply wrong. You don’t even need to get into the cloud problems to end up with failed models.
2) Natural ocean cycles are almost completely missing from climate models. Now that it appears the mechanism for phase changes is related to clouds, the cloud problem becomes even more complex.
**- Folks probably are wondering what the correct number should be. As far as I can tell it is zero or very close to zero. This forcing is lost by kinetic energy compensation in the lowest levels of the atmosphere.
Standard climate models are ideal for attributing the inverse warming response of the AMO with weaker indirect solar forcing, to rising CO2 forcing. So they are guaranteed to fail at predicting the next cold AMO phase and associated regional climate variability, like Sahel drought.
In fact the IPCC projection for an increasingly wetter Sahel is in full contradiction of their own circulation models, which expect increasingly positive North Atlantic Oscillation conditions with rising CO2 forcing. Increased positive NAO can only drive a colder AMO and increase Sahel drought.
Modeling weather is very complex, but that is the scale at which solar variability actually drives climate change.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vQemMt_PNwwBKNOS7GSP7gbWDmcDBJ80UJzkqDIQ75_Sctjn89VoM5MIYHQWHkpn88cMQXkKjXznM-u/pub
It’s right that a GCM does not need to describe temporarily weather patterns. However, if the fail to reproduce warming patterns ( foremost in the tropical Pacific) they get wrong estimates about a core feature of climate: The sensitivity. The CMIP 5 and 6s do not replicate the much stonger warming in the western Pacific vs. Eastern Pacific. This in NOT due to internal variablity, the modelled “ElNino like” pattern ist the result of known Model Biases ( see Tang et al (2021) https://academic.oup.com/nsr/article/8/10/nwab056/6212231?login=true )
and the real LaNina like pattern leads to a valuable reduction of the sensitivity, see Mauritsen (2016) https://www.nature.com/articles/ngeo2838 ). In so far it’s very important for a novel GCM that it can reproduce observed warming pattern. Up to now this seems to be impossible for most of the models. Hance they are not a very good instrument for estimating the future.
Modelling climate change is much easier than modelling weather because the accuracy of the weather forecast is apparent within two or three days. The accuracy of climate modelling is never apparent. The models are forecasting thirty years ahead and keep changing to suit observation. There is no way to properly assess their accuracy.
Sorry. Once someone uses the D-word I can’t read further. He did it right at the beginning.
Michael,
I am an alumni of UCL.
But clearly not of any politics.
I am saddened by this type of behaviour.
No one can predict the future.
If they could, they would be at the racetrack instead.
Modellers lie — there is no other way to explain it. Real model output, modelling the past produces these results:
but the modellers will tell you with great certainty that the result is the yellow trace. And this is modelling from KNOWN data about the past! There is no way they can escape the effects of non-linear equations that produce chaotic results.
They are lying slimeball scum, not scientists, like FauXi, guilty of mass murder, treason, bribery and perjury.
Yes, the graph shows too much cooling in times of a strong (negative) ERF aerosols. As it was described: the bias points to an overestimation of this Forcing, compensating a too high sensitivity to the ERF ghg, which boosts the slope of the warming after the 1980s after with reducing the ERFaerosols. Oversensitive! .
The range of the output of individual models is greater than 2 degrees C. And this is for known data.
All climate models output similar data — wildly differing results for the same input. They just don;t usually show the real output, but only a single trace (average of chaotic output) or a constrained range (like the IPCC scenario ranges).
Scientifically totally inappropriate.
The temperature periodicity induced by the Earth’s orbit provides little help in predicting whether it will be warmer next Summer than it was this Summer.
However, the pertinent question is how much GHGs warm the planet!
How about a definition or at least an example of “extremely well?” Without numbers he is hand waving.
More subjective, innumerate climate propaganda.
UCL Professor: “Modelling climate change is much easier” than Weather.
I’m not sure about all the programming that goes into a “Climate Change” model but “Weather Models” can be shown to be right or wrong (or just a bit off) in a very short time.
“Global Warming … er … Climate Change” take decades to show what they are worth.
When the past “projections” (based on “settled science”) don’t pan out?
Just say Climate Modeling has advanced since then. Spend 30 trillion now and in 30 years you’ll know that we weren’t wrong like the settled science model was 60 years before.
But if you surrender your cash and freedoms, we can save you!
(OOPS. Sorry about that last. You’re already supposed to be dead.)
But if you surrender your cash and freedoms NOW, we can save your kids and grandkids!