Suspend climate policies and cancel COP26 to save Britain from looming energy disaster

From NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT

SEPTEMBER 20, 2021

By Paul Homewood

The GWPF calls for suspension of climate policies:

The GWPF has consistently warned that Britain’s unilateral climate policies under both Labour and Conservative administrations were creating an insecure and expensive energy sector that would ultimately fail due to consumer costs and collapsing security of supply.

These warnings are now fully vindicated. Over-reliance on renewables and interconnectors and a failure to maintain a diverse portfolio of energy supply and electricity generation has resulted in a fragile, weather-dependent British system that is critically vulnerable to pan-European low wind conditions, interconnector failure, and high regional gas prices.

Income support subsidies to renewable energy investors currently total about £10 billion a year, and are still rising, while grid management costs have increased six-fold (to just under £2 billion a year) since the early 2000s when renewables were first introduced in significant quantities.

In spite of this large and growing cost burden, renewables do not protect the consumer effectively against fluctuations in gas prices, since wind and solar are both critically reliant on gas to guarantee security of supply. The UK’s apparent diversity of supply is an illusion.
The current energy cost and supply crisis is the result of decades of ill-considered climate policy which has prioritised costly emissions reductions technologies while neglecting the consumer interest, security of supply and macro-economic impact.

The severity of the current crisis merits emergency measures, not only to protect consumers and the economy, but also to avoid the crisis from turning into social disaster as winter approaches.

The GWPF is calling on the Government to:

1. Suspend all green levies on energy bills, funding subsidies temporarily out of taxation, but acting firmly to cancel these subsidies in the near term.

2. Cancel constraint payments, and compel wind and solar generators to pay for their own balancing costs, thus incentivising them to self-dispatch only when economic.

3. Remove all fiscal and other disincentives to oil and gas exploration, including shale gas, to increase domestic production levels.

4. Suspend carbon taxation on coal and gas generation in order to provide consumer relief and ensure security of supply.

5. Re-open recently closed gas storage facilities and support new storage projects.

6. Suspend all further policy initiatives directed towards the Net Zero target, including the Carbon Budgets, the heat pump targets, and the overly ambitious timetable for the ban on petrol and diesel engines, until the UK energy sector has been stabilised.

7. Facilitate the acceleration of building and deploying Small Modular Reactors for both electricity and heat.

Dr Benny Peiser, GWPF director, said:

Britain’s boasts of low carbon leadership are collapsing in humiliation. Our foolish and badly engineered green policies show the world that we have nothing to offer, except a grim warning. The Prime Minister should cancel COP26 and focus on saving Britain from a deepening energy crisis.”

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Scissor
September 21, 2021 6:11 am

Hear, hear!

Vuk
Reply to  Scissor
September 21, 2021 6:32 am

It’s going to be hard sell in the cold November, I suggest COP26 to be moved to January 2026.
BBC the other day spoke of global heating, I guess it may not going down
thereby well with plebs when their home HEATING isn’t working.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Scissor
September 21, 2021 6:53 am

I remember in 1985 when the 1970s Carter-era domestic solar thermal tax credits in the US ended: within a few months the entire industry was gone.

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
September 21, 2021 1:42 pm

I remember in 1980 when Jimmy Carter announced the spending spree for nuclear waste storage at Yucca Mtn. Aside from making contractors and consultants rich, that place is empty.

MarkW
Reply to  ResourceGuy
September 21, 2021 1:52 pm

That place was cancelled by Harry Reid and Obama.

ATheoK
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
September 21, 2021 9:50 pm

As well as Carter’s highly touted electronic-mail, e-mail.

Some fool got Jimmy to believe private and commercial mailers would take their letter to the Post Office. To have Postal workers encode and transmit the letter to another e-mail enabled Post Office; (Think big city Post Offices).

The receiving Post Office would print out the letter and address the envelope, however many the sender desired. And put the letters into the mail stream…

For something like $10 a letter.

They never were functional.

IanE
Reply to  Scissor
September 21, 2021 12:47 pm

Yes – but not going to happen until we are all starving, freezing and carrying black-market guns!

Mike Lowe
Reply to  Scissor
September 21, 2021 1:47 pm

Or even “Here here”!

2hotel9
September 21, 2021 6:18 am

England is more screwed than Canada and they just stupidly re-elected the naked Boy King. Parliament has taken stuck on stupid and doubled down. What a bunch of clowns. Every member of their government needs their electric, gas and water shut off.

griff
Reply to  2hotel9
September 21, 2021 6:25 am

And the right wing party Watts predicted would hold the balance of power got nowhere.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  griff
September 21, 2021 7:05 am

You are an idiot. You never lived through the “energy poverty” of the 60’s and 70’s in the UK.

ATheoK
Reply to  Patrick MJD
September 21, 2021 9:53 pm

Nor did giff provide a ink or quote to it’s claimed “right wing party” statement.

Another giff lie.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  ATheoK
September 22, 2021 4:14 am

Yeah, what watts prediction, Griff?

pigs_in_space
Reply to  Patrick MJD
September 21, 2021 11:25 pm

I lived through the blackouts of the Heath 3 day week and the miner’s strikes.
Unforgettable!
We bought a good supply of candles, and luckily our house was coal fired.
I remember trying to do my homework by candle light.

It’s staggering after the Thatcher “who governs Britain” successes, the muppets in Westminster have returned the UK to the terrible 1970s all over again.

This time they don’t need the unions, the disease is INSIDE government!

DMacKenzie
Reply to  griff
September 21, 2021 7:46 am

The balance of power in Canada remains in the hands of the NDP, who are champagne communists. The party that won the popular vote actually ended up in 2nd place because of constituency population imbalance favoring the eastern half of the country. The entire western half of the country is again nearly unrepresented by the governing party, in fact has a history of having its wealth generating resources taxed or legislated into oblivion. The province that benefits most elected a number of Separatists to parliament. The only good thing about Canadian politics is that no party is powerful enough to truly screw things up….except the CO2 emissions file where all parties have CC platforms that require Canada be cooled by a degree at taxpayer or industry expense.

Bob Hunter
Reply to  DMacKenzie
September 21, 2021 8:06 am

And the prairies (ie Alberta & its oil/gas) has subsidized health/social programs & federal capital projects across Canada for the last 60 yrs
Justin Trudeau has blocked fossil fuel development & yet said at the 2017 World Petroleum Conference in Houston: “No country would find 173 billion barrels of oil in the ground & leave them there”

And in 198O, Pierre Trudeau’s campaign manager “screw the west we’ll take the rest”. The acorn sure didn’t fall far from the tree.

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Dennis G Sandberg
Reply to  DMacKenzie
September 21, 2021 8:48 am

Canada needs an electoral college. You can have ours from the US. The dems will surely get rid of it sometime in the next seven (7) years.

ATheoK
Reply to  Dennis G Sandberg
September 21, 2021 9:56 pm

Take the Electoral College one step further to state elections. Thus preventing the big cities from saddling the state, county, territory, parish, whatever with urban tyranny.

Vuk
Reply to  griff
September 21, 2021 8:31 am

Hi Griffo
This evening headline:
“Ministers reach deal to restart CO2 production”
Are you scratching your head in confusion?
Why not go down the high street with a placard ‘CUT down production of CO2’?
You might get a local supermarket’s roted potato or a gone off egg thrown at you.
You see, the CO2 is now highly desirable commodity, your propaganda might get you in future in a bit of trouble with locals.

Mason
Reply to  Vuk
September 21, 2021 9:58 am

Griffie and Vuk, I am not sure how this is going to work, having been through a similar episode in the US in the early 2000s. There was a shortage of natural gas and gas prices spiked to $12/1000 cf or about $12 per million Btu. At these gas prices, the ammonia plant where I worked was shut down due to poor economics. I watched as the entire plant was taken apart, carefully labeled for reconstruction in China where gas was cheap. My question is who is subsidizing the price to the ammonia plants so they can continue to operate? We have learned that industry is subsidizing the electrical price $.30/ kWh to consumers so that Merkal’s green plan continues to work. The electrical price at $.50/kWh is forcing some industrials to shut down. Who will make up the difference? Is the a domino trail that has begun. And the EU is fining Polan 500,000 euros per day for the coal mine that feeds the coal fired station that keeps the lights on in the EU. This will be an interesting winter

Vuk
Reply to  Mason
September 21, 2021 11:24 am

Irony is that both of these UK plants are American own.

Greg
Reply to  Vuk
September 21, 2021 11:50 pm

Sorry Vuk, you lost me there.
Above I see talk of Canana, Poland, Germany and USA. What UK plants are you referring to ?

Joao Martins
Reply to  griff
September 21, 2021 10:27 am

“And the right wing party Watts predicted would hold the balance of power got nowhere.”

griff: when you are in a rowboat and start to shake it to fill it with water, the water will not enter at the first shake: you have to go on shaking it, and each time the sides will go a little deeper…

MarkW
Reply to  griff
September 21, 2021 10:58 am

It really is amazing how you you make up whatever history is needed to make yourself seem relevant.

Julian Flood
Reply to  MarkW
September 21, 2021 2:36 pm

There’s a similar troll who poses around on TCW, invents back stories for himself to gain feasibility. At one stage he was getting confused and had about half a dozen grannies.

It narcissism I believe – it’s certainly a manifestation of a psychiatric disorder.

JF

Bill
Reply to  griff
September 21, 2021 12:05 pm

You have misused the term “right wing” in an attempt to encourage the ignorant understanding that it is defined as anybody who disagrees with you. It really means anarchy while left wing means totalitarianism. These distinctions have been distorted by Marxist propaganda over many years to imply who sits on which side of the King.

Conservatives are middle of the road politically while socialists are left wing fanatics. The introduction of politics into any rational thinking is dangerous and totalitarian and is consistent with the Stalinist contradictions and evasions within Europe in the last 75 years. Your comments are the epitimy of conformity to this Totalitarian Temptation.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Bill
September 22, 2021 4:18 am

“Conservatives are middle of the road politically while socialists are left wing fanatics.”

That sums it up nicely. 🙂

2hotel9
Reply to  griff
September 22, 2021 3:30 am

I only regret I will not be able to step over your frozen, starved corpse, griffie.

2hotel9
Reply to  griff
September 22, 2021 8:33 am
Chuck no longer in Houston
Reply to  griff
September 23, 2021 7:20 am

Huh?

Quilter 52
Reply to  griff
September 23, 2021 11:39 pm

Probably a good thing Griff. After all they may have been able to avert this disaster for a bit longer while tools like you kept pretending renewable energy was reliable , Affordable and achievable. A couple of the Western democracies facing action from the citizens is going to be necessary. In the meantime anyone that tthinks all of this is achievable should have to live entirely off their own resources. Perhaps you could tell us how you’re doing it?

ghl
Reply to  2hotel9
September 21, 2021 1:22 pm

Also
Parliamentary salaries should cease during lock-downs.
And any public servants not working.

Ron Long
September 21, 2021 6:19 am

I’m actually in favor of the ultimate Reality Check, where a lot of people freeze/starve in the dark. Who thinks BoJo/Biden are going to abandon the train of fools they are riding on and embrace Reality (check it out, Trudeau was just re-elected in Canada). Sorry, not going to happen.

SxyxS
Reply to  Ron Long
September 21, 2021 8:01 am

COP26 – communist oppression program

Leo Smith
Reply to  SxyxS
September 21, 2021 12:36 pm

Communists Ogle Profits…

Greg
Reply to  Leo Smith
September 21, 2021 11:52 pm

Conference of Parasites.

griff
September 21, 2021 6:25 am

Critically vulnerable to a combination of 4 or 5 different circumstances all happening at once?

Renewables to blame for natural gas price?

This is just nonsense.

More offshore wind and solar would see us much better off…

Reply to  griff
September 21, 2021 6:52 am

No sun, no winds, no watts. More mills, more panels will have no effect 😀

Bill Toland
Reply to  griff
September 21, 2021 7:11 am

Griff, on a cold still winter’s night, wind and solar will add up to nothing. How many times have you been told that an intermittent power source cannot replace a reliable power source?

fretslider
Reply to  griff
September 21, 2021 7:18 am

Is that really the best you could come up with?

More nothing is no better than nothing

Bill Toland
Reply to  griff
September 21, 2021 7:25 am

Griff, we haven’t even got to winter yet, when energy demand in Britain soars. How will we keep the lights on then?

Reply to  Bill Toland
September 21, 2021 7:35 am

Candellight dinner with candel heating of the meal, that’s griffs preference.

griff
Reply to  Krishna Gans
September 21, 2021 12:59 pm

barbecue perhaps!

griff
Reply to  Bill Toland
September 21, 2021 12:55 pm

We don’t have a gas shortage! We just have very high prices going into winter…

B Clarke
Reply to  griff
September 21, 2021 2:23 pm

Your really dragging the barrel with that comment griff

Bill Toland
Reply to  griff
September 21, 2021 3:08 pm

Griff, we have a shortage of gas fired power stations. This winter, if certain conditions arise, we will have power cuts because our safety margin has been eroded so much over the last few years. When more of our nuclear power stations close in the next five years, we are certain to have power cuts unless more gas fired power stations are built immediately.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  griff
September 21, 2021 11:34 pm

“We don’t have a gas shortage” blee..din numpty!!!

Tell that to Merckel, and why they keep insisting on finishing Nordstream 2…

Germany DOES NOT have enough energy on its own to prevent power cuts.
They ensured that by shutting down perfectly good working Nuclear power plants on the back of green loonies (“atomkraft NEIN DANKE”).
I remember seeing the bumper stickers…!
Those jerks should be the FIRST to get power cuts in my book!

Tom Abbott
Reply to  pigs_in_space
September 22, 2021 4:32 am

Merckel shutting down Germany’s nuclear reactors is one of the dumber moves made by politicians recently. Completely unnecessary and counter-productive. It makes no sense.

Richard Page
Reply to  griff
September 22, 2021 7:48 am

We do have a gas shortage; by government design – they reduced our gas reserves down to less than 1% of the EU gas reserves. That was short sighted but not an extremely unreasonable thing to do when gas was plentiful and cheap, and as long as we had a guaranteed supply. However, at this present time it could be utterly disastrous and it isn’t as if we haven’t had warning signals – colder winters a few years ago nearly depleted our gas reserves completely – that should have led to an increase in reserves, but it didn’t. Now we are in a bit of a pickle, Griffy and it’s a sellers market.

Alba
Reply to  griff
September 23, 2021 9:25 am

From The Spectator:
Every country has gas reserves in the event of widespread shortages. France has 14 weeks’ worth, Germany has eight weeks, Italy has 11 weeks, while Britain has just four days. That is virtually no buffer at all when a supply crisis strikes.

Reply to  griff
September 21, 2021 7:35 am

Britain’s government has been doing everything in its power to destabilise grid power and gas supply.

  • Racist campaign of hostility against gas supplier nation Russia
  • Every possible incentive to increase unreliable intermittent power
  • Every possible dis-incentive for reliable fossil fuel power
  • Letting gas storage disappear
  • Relying on interconnectors from countries e.g. France that the UK is practically at war with
  • Decision paralysis on nuclear

What’s happening now with gas supply and power prices is what success looks like to this Talebanically green government and its supporting chorus in the elites and academia (e.g. Griff). I assume that you do consider this as success?

MarkW
Reply to  Hatter Eggburn
September 21, 2021 11:03 am

Opposing Russia is now racist. Interesting.

Richard Page
Reply to  MarkW
September 21, 2021 12:10 pm

Very interesting – I wasn’t aware that it was possible, but still. On the other hand, given the way Russia has been treated over the last few years, you can’t blame them for just sticking to their contracts on the gas supplies. If the weather worsens over the next few months then expect messages from Putin to ‘intervene’ with Gazprom , and oh – let’s get rid of those pesky sanctions shall we? And I’m sure that fully approving Nordstream 2 would go a long way to ease the negotiations as well. Now that Putin has a bit of leverage with the EU, I’d expect him to use it, just a little.

MarkW
Reply to  Richard Page
September 21, 2021 1:56 pm

When Russia plays nice with it’s neighbors, it gets treated like a regular country. Unfortunately Russia is not inclined to play nice with it’s neighbors.

Richard Page
Reply to  MarkW
September 22, 2021 7:56 am

True. But neither has the west being playing either nice (or fair) with Russia. Let’s be completely honest – these things started because the west wanted to get rid of Putin; Medvedev was seen as a softer touch but Putin was never going to roll over and beg for treats like the west wanted him to. Now we’re in some tit-for-tat exchange with NATO jets making aggressive sorties near Russian airspace and Ukraine hackers trying to provoke something between both the west and Russia. There have been things done by both sides but if we want some sort of peaceful resolution, we’re going to have to row back from this position and stop playing silly buggers with each other.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  Richard Page
September 22, 2021 10:53 pm

utter bollox!
You love reading from Lavrov and Peskov’s copy book?

How about 50-80% of votes in Belarus and Russia in the last elections being fraudulent, then locking anyone away who disagrees for years ?

Greg
Reply to  MarkW
September 21, 2021 11:56 pm

Since half the UK cabinet now seems to Indian or some other “BAME” group, it’s quite possible.

griff
Reply to  Hatter Eggburn
September 21, 2021 12:57 pm

Utter nonsense.

The govt isn’t a particularly good one, but it isn’t in some plot against its own population

DaveS
Reply to  griff
September 22, 2021 4:22 am

It’s too dumb to recognise the risks associated with its lunatic energy policies – which is just as bad.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  griff
September 22, 2021 6:38 am

C’mon griff BoJo doesn’t do anything which isn’t in his own particular interest and that rarely coincides with the interest of others..

pigs_in_space
Reply to  Hatter Eggburn
September 22, 2021 1:28 am

“Racist campaign of hostility against gas supplier nation Russia”..

Yea straight of corrupt Peskov and Lavrov’s copy book!
Nice one!

Being as I actually live there, may we ask how came about the systematic Olympic doping, the downing of MH17 and the equally awkward verdict of yesterday at the UHCI, proving that Russia decided to eliminate Litvinenko in London from the highest possible level..

Oh let’s not talk about some poor woman who died picking up a vial of “perfume” in Salisbury UK…

As it stands at the moment, some cretin Student who murdered 8 people this week in PERM will get better treatment than Navalny who has done nothing wrong..

…who got almost blinded in one eye, his wife poisoned, then him just surviving another poisoning thanks to the good sense of an airline pilot, and some help from Germany.

Richard Page
Reply to  pigs_in_space
September 22, 2021 8:02 am

And where exactly are the Skripals these days? Hmm. If they are being held for their own protection where the evil Russians can’t get at them, why aren’t they allowed to talk to the press or their friends. Something does not add up – not that it ever really did anyway. Too many unanswered questions like why wasn’t the fact that Mr Skripal was working as the Russia expert for the UK company (near Salisbury) that produced the Trump dossier for the Democrats ever mentioned?

pigs_in_space
Reply to  Richard Page
September 22, 2021 10:55 pm

Go crawl back to your SPB troll factory!

Ron Long
Reply to  griff
September 21, 2021 7:35 am

OK, griff, nobody is that stupid, so the presumption is that you area snarky troll who says things for effect.

William Capron
Reply to  Ron Long
September 21, 2021 8:14 am

I agree, but Griff may be the exception that proves the rule and more stupid than you can imagine.

Bill Toland
Reply to  William Capron
September 21, 2021 8:35 am

Unfortunately, Griff is not alone. A huge number of people (including most of Britain’s scientifically illiterate politicians) actually believe that a modern industrial economy can be powered by intermittent sources of energy. The education system in Britain has been destroyed by science denying halfwits who think “truth” is more important than reality.

Leo Smith
Reply to  Bill Toland
September 21, 2021 12:47 pm

They neither believe nor disbelieve. This is the new post modern ‘magic thinking’ of political philosophy: The truth does not determine political power or the sale of products. What people can be induced to believe does, to the point that many social scientists redefine the truth as simply what people believe to be true.

The hard left Marxists have always used brainwashing to redefine reality: Green politics is pure AgitProp, and its now been adopted by multinationals for profit, and political parties for power.

The narrative works. It makes money. It justifies the Marxist social revolution. It gets politicians elected. Who cares if its true, or not?

Only the poor benighted consumer. Until the democratic process starts to react against the green narrative with a ‘never mind destroying the planet 50 years down the line, you are destroying civilisation right now’, it’s going to carry on, not because its true, but because, like Religion, it’s so darned useful to keep the plebs in their place. Buying green product, Paying over the odds for energy. Voting for green politicians.

What’s not to like?

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griff
Reply to  Leo Smith
September 21, 2021 1:03 pm

climate science and renewable roll out is not marxist, leftist or socialist – it is a response to climate science’s observations and projections

pigs_in_space
Reply to  griff
September 22, 2021 1:31 am

moron Griff responds again “THE SCIENCE” or “Climate science” which is an oxymoron.

Morons always like quoting fantasy land observations like Attenborough and the carefully staged “sealions” incident.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  griff
September 22, 2021 4:51 am

“climate science and renewable roll out is not marxist, leftist or socialist”

No, they are not political, per se, but in today’s world, they are being used by the marxists, leftists and socialists (authoritarians all) to enhance their political power and control.

All based on a lie that CO2 is dangerous to humanity.

Rod
Reply to  Ron Long
September 21, 2021 8:28 am

Mr. long, I’ve long wondered when someone in here would finally come to your realization. That he still gets a seemingly unending stream of replies amazes me. He baits the hook and people reliably bite.

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Rod
September 21, 2021 1:46 pm

What else are trolls good for? It’s a volumetric issue.

griff
Reply to  Ron Long
September 21, 2021 12:58 pm

I’m representing a widespread view of those who accept climate science.

Bill Toland
Reply to  griff
September 21, 2021 10:07 pm

Griff, you represent a widespread view of those who reject science and reality.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Bill Toland
September 22, 2021 5:13 am

Yes, the Human-caused Climate Change propaganda has fooled a lot of people, including Griff.

It’s amazing, with the level of climate change propaganda being put out, that everyone is not a True Believer in this scam.

Skeptics are going against the flow. That’s ok. Skeptics are correct, and going against the flow, is the only way to go in our current situation. Maybe we will slow the flow.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  griff
September 22, 2021 5:01 am

“I’m representing a widespread view of those who accept climate science.”

I think this is true.

I think Griff is good for the discussion because of that.

Griff gives us all the alarmist talking points, and then we get to address those talking points. And although we probably won’t convince Griff to change his mind, we might get through to others who look at things the way he does.

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observa
Reply to  griff
September 21, 2021 8:42 am

Renewables to blame for natural gas price?
This is just nonsense.

You’re absolutely right griff. It should be the price of lithium batteries to firm the unreliables but climate changers certainly have a way with interpreting proxies.

Reply to  griff
September 21, 2021 9:04 am

The stupid Green energy policies that push wind and solar project expansion must make natural gas expensive. It’s that connection between those two that the Marxists like you try to hide and deny.
If natural gas remained affordable and abundant, then the generator operators would have no incentive to build expensive and unreliable power sources. So carbon taxes, fracking bans, pipeline bans, denying LNG import permits, and shoveling tax payer subsidies at unreliable power are all artificially drriven policies that has created a situation of energy poverty. And the whole charade is exposed when the wind stops blowing for a while (as it is prone to do) and the Public is suddenly faced with a debacle of blackouts, shutdown industrial plants, and soaring electricity prices

It is basic economics that you fail to grasp Griff-tard. You really are so dumb you think you are smart in stating those things.

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ResourceGuy
Reply to  griff
September 21, 2021 9:59 am

Some electricity users are more equal than others…..

U.K. Power Firms Stop Taking New Customers as Crisis Deepens (yahoo.com)

Tom Abbott
Reply to  ResourceGuy
September 22, 2021 5:17 am

It’s not even winter yet.

There are a bunch of damn fools running things.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  griff
September 21, 2021 10:17 am

Nope. Here in the UK we’d be much better off if we tracked for gas.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
September 21, 2021 11:02 am

Windmills producing no power is the problem. So the obvious solution is to have even more windmills not producing power.

Funny how the grid never had problems with these kind of problems prior to the decision to rely on wind and solar.

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Pat from kerbob
Reply to  griff
September 21, 2021 11:15 am

Gas is now expensive due to government measures to curtail availability

Does this really need to be explained to you?
It’s Griff, of course it does

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griff
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
September 21, 2021 1:04 pm

gas is more expensive due to standard market forces

B Clarke
Reply to  griff
September 21, 2021 2:39 pm

Seems your on a damage limitation exercise tonight griff ,how that pans is ” griff and his kind are really worried Re just is not working”

Your extremely obvious griff but keep trying mate its interesting watching you squirm, should be fascinating as the winter draws in.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  griff
September 22, 2021 1:33 am

it’ bl..y well caused “SUPPLY AND DEMAND”.

Go read some basic economics before you blather.

Constrain demand and you raise the price (which the Saudis and Russia, were desperate to do for the last 3 years, but fought each other to a standstill).

pigs_in_space
Reply to  griff
September 21, 2021 11:31 pm

Griff is really f..cked in the head.
He has never heard of laws of supply and demand.

Demand what cannot be supplied and the price goes thru the roof!
(Just as it is in wood prices all this year).

Put more supply in that cannot meet demand (More offshore wind and solar), and all you do is increase prices from another supplier that CAN meet demand.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  griff
September 22, 2021 4:24 am

“Renewables to blame for natural gas price?”

Yes, renewables are responsible for the price UK residents are paying for their electricity. If the windmills don’t produce electricity, such as now, then the natural gas plants have to be fired up. If the windmills worked, the UK wouldn’t have to burn expensive natural gas.

Why natural gas is getting expensive is another story.

ThinkingScientist
Reply to  griff
September 23, 2021 10:08 am

Griff,

Renewables in the UK receive subsidies to the tune of about £10 billion per annum.

We can ignore solar because it produces trivial annual output.

In 2020 the total output from wind was 75.6 TWh

So if we divide just the subsidy figure by the power output we get 10×10^9 / 75.6×10^6 = £132 per MWh just in subsidies for renewables. That figure doesn’t include the actual sale of the power, just the subsidies. The sale of power is probably about £55 /MWh.

So a gas fired power station, unfettered by carbon taxes and without being crippled by renewables getting preference in the market and all the other things designed to cripple fossil fuels and favour renewables can make a profit at just £55 /MWh.

So if renewables are so cheap and effective why do they need to receive £132 + 55 /MWh to stay in business?

And why has the cost of grid balancing increased 6-fold to £2 billion per annum since the 2000s? Because intermittency caused by renewables is the problem. Gas and cola fired power stations really don’t need much grid balancing cost because they can manage it themselves.

Surely its time to get rid of the renewable subsidies if they are so cheap and make the renewables pay for their own grid balancing costs? I mean, surely renewables can provide dispatchable power, like the grid actually needs to stay stable?

Pamela Matlack-Klein
September 21, 2021 6:29 am

Much as I hate the idea of allowing this train wreck to continue on to its ultimate destination that may be the only way that people are going to wake up and demand an end to all the Green/socialist/marxist garbage we are being force fed. It was bad enough before covid escaped from Fauci’s funded GoF lab in China but since then things have only gotten worse. It is past time for people to learn just how terrible a Zero Carbon world is.

Bill Everett
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
September 21, 2021 7:00 am

Unfortunately, this type of information does not get exposed to most of the US population.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
September 22, 2021 5:22 am

It usually takes a crisis to get government to act.

September 21, 2021 7:01 am

Livid in Glasgow – I do hope COP isn’t infectious
Oops … I meant: living in Glasgow … but it’s funnier that way.

Steve Case
September 21, 2021 7:04 am

Regarding the cartoon:

“No son, It’s cuz of them green taxes”

Should have read:
“No son, It’s because of those green taxes.”

I don ‘t like being portrayed as a dem dese & dose ignoramus.

David Wojick
September 21, 2021 7:07 am
Reply to  David Wojick
September 21, 2021 7:38 am

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Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  David Wojick
September 21, 2021 7:39 am

Germany is going to elect itself a winter of frozen toes.

fretslider
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
September 21, 2021 8:17 am

General Paulus did that with his 6th Army

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  fretslider
September 21, 2021 10:00 am

After freezing in Russia the previous winter, the NAZ!s failed to learn their lesson.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
September 22, 2021 1:38 am

Actually the German weather forecast predicted “global warming” since the 1930s, because the north west passage was fully open then.

Hitler took them at their word, as they claimed winter 1941 would be warm and Russia would continue to be “a walk in the park”.

Fact is,- at the gates of Moscow, first it poured with rain, turning everything to thick mud, then froze remarkably early to temperatures rarely experienced in Moscow region. (-20>-25C between november>end december 1941).

More German soldiers died of hypothermia as their guns froze up, than they did from soviet bullets with narrow tank tracks not made for deep snow.

Richard Page
Reply to  David Wojick
September 21, 2021 12:13 pm

Will someone please give Greta a drum and maybe some coloured armbands? I’m sure she’ll be designing the uniforms for the ‘Greta youth brigade’ before too long.

fretslider
September 21, 2021 7:14 am

It’s the last thing they’ll do because that would mean making sense

This is the new religion

ResourceGuy
September 21, 2021 7:16 am

Let the green tards freeze in the dark.

Richard Page
Reply to  ResourceGuy
September 21, 2021 7:43 am

The trouble is it won’t be the green ‘tards freezing in the dark, it’ll be the rest of us plebs that don’t get our voices heard that’ll suffer. The green ‘tards will jet off to the south of France or Italy and ooh or aah over the rustic peasant lifestyle that they are spending a fortune on achieving while tut-tutting that little Tarquin and Giselle will have to grow up in such an awful world of warmth and plenty with sod all to complain about.

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Richard Page
September 21, 2021 9:32 am

Update: No new accounts being accepted at this time.

U.K. Power Firms Stop Taking New Customers as Crisis Deepens (yahoo.com)

Richard Page
Reply to  ResourceGuy
September 21, 2021 11:50 am

I didn’t know that. However, I did notice the names of the companies involved which have all advertised something along the lines of 100% renewable energy so I have very little sympathy. There will be a cull of the weak in companies house followed by some sort of reckoning; which will no doubt be covered up by the usual crap that wind power is amazing, we must have more! The cycle will no doubt repeat itself again in a year or so.

M Courtney
September 21, 2021 8:03 am

The BBC (and the PM) tried to explain away the blunder by claiming “It’s because the world is bouncing back from Covid”.

This is nonsense.
The timing may be because the world is bouncing back from Covid. But the actual demand for energy would have been there without Covid. Indeed, Covid has lowered demand and economic growth.
We would be worse off (in energy terms) if Covid had not happened.

The fact that the best excuse they can come up with is clearly nonsense implies that they have no better excuse. It implies that they know the fault is one of their own making. Bad policy by both parties.

The GWPF is right.

Olen
September 21, 2021 8:14 am

Why hold on to something so bad for the people and country? Is there something personal involved like money or career.

Preparing to save a drowning man on the desert sand. The point is he needs water not the opposite.

Peta of Newark
September 21, 2021 8:18 am

Quote:”energy investors currently total about £10 billion a year, and are still rising, while grid management costs have increased six-fold (to just under £2 billion a year) since th…”

Don’t forget to add on the £1,000+ cost to each and every household (circa 30 million) for their Smart Meter (##)
When I last saw a calculation, was reckoned might save them £3 pa (Three GBP per year) on their utility bills

## When first mooted about 6 or 7 years ago, smart meters were promised would never to cost more than £341 each and to save over £100pa

its not funny. not unexpected. just depressingly sad and absolutely typical of the perfectly incompetent clowns now in control of the UK

observa
September 21, 2021 8:32 am

Britain’s boasts of low carbon leadership are collapsing in humiliation. Our foolish and badly engineered green policies show the world that we have nothing to offer, except a grim warning.

It’s an ill wind that blows South Australia some good in the humiliation stakes then. I can’t imagine what the brains trust will come up with when they have to fire up those 9 diesel backup gennys one summer. The mind boggles.

fretslider
September 21, 2021 8:33 am

Griff thinks “More offshore wind and solar would see us much better off…”

But what he and his ilk choose to ignore is

Scientists from the British Geological Survey (BGS) have estimated that the total volume of gas in the Bowland-Hodder shale in northern England is some 1300 trillion cubic feet (central estimate).

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/about-shale-gas-and-hydraulic-fracturing-fracking/developing-shale-oil-and-gas-in-the-uk

That’s just one area. We could kiss all this energy crisis goodbye quite easily, but the greens have a vested interest in suffering and disaster.

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griff
Reply to  fretslider
September 21, 2021 12:54 pm

Fracking in the UK would be in a well populated and congested semi urban area with stringent environmental rules not found in the USA.

no UK govt is going to accept the impact.

Besides we need to stop burning fossil fuel to avoid climate impact – all UK govts would accept the science on that.

Julian Flood
Reply to  griff
September 21, 2021 2:40 pm

You’ve obviously never been to Lancashire. Or Yorkshire. Or geography lessons?

JF

pigs_in_space
Reply to  Julian Flood
September 22, 2021 1:42 am

Griff is a nutter!
We get this crap from him every time.

He never did geography in school, and pipes up every time for countries or even counties he knows zilch about….

France, Germany, India, Australia, and now the north of England.

WTF?!

DaveS
Reply to  pigs_in_space
September 22, 2021 4:29 am

He’s still at school, judging by his posts.

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John the Econ
September 21, 2021 8:43 am

I like when bad Progressive experiments are conducted and fail a long way away from me. America’s only hope is that enough people take note of a first-world nation’s people freezing in the dark and stop the experiment proceeding here.

ResourceGuy
Reply to  John the Econ
September 21, 2021 9:39 am

Extrapolating their talking points is already possible:

1) extreme winter caused by climate change
2) extreme natural gas pricing caused by oil company conspiracy–needs a windfall profits tax
3) extreme winter death rate caused by oil companies–not us
4) extreme blackouts caused by grid operators–not us
5) other extremes caused by Trump and Bush–not us

Andrew Burnette
Reply to  ResourceGuy
September 21, 2021 10:46 am

Well, they tried to do that when Texas froze last winter. It didn’t work for long. Heads rolled at the ERCOT and they actually made SOME adjustments (not enough) that make sense. sarc?/ Hopefully, the UK will show us in the US how to correct the problems properly. /sarc?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Andrew Burnette
September 22, 2021 5:32 am

I see how to prevent the problem from happening: Don’t depend on windmills and solar for more than 30 percent of your electricity, and make sure you have enough conventional power production on hand to fill in for the windmills and solar when they are not producing.

Of course, the best course of action is to eliminate the windmills and solar and power your grid with conventional power plants only. But if you insist on windmills and solar, see paragraph above.

bonbon
September 21, 2021 8:54 am

Jolly good sentiment, except utter naivitee reigns!
No mention of Mark Carney and BlackRock’s public intention to ‘green industry or die’ imperative. Without noting the power this financial imperative has and the sheer desperation driving this – a systemic collapse, it is simply wishful thinking.

For example, note the so-called ‘China’ problem with Evergrande – it is actually a transatlantic systemic threat, with Ashmore and BlackRock right in the middle. The entire China narrative is to drown out the real threat right there. China will likely, my opinion only, let these investors stew. That means the City of London must be hysterical, after all BoJo’s old turf.
These will of course terrify governments and voters into another bailout if they can, which is what the entire Green New Deal is all about.

In other words not to be blindsided by CO2, nor Greta, nor the very models of modern climate modelling.There is actually a deadly serious systemic financial threat driving the insane greenie and submarine circus! This must be dealt with! China has bank separation, which was repealed here in 1999.

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Dennis G Sandberg
September 21, 2021 9:03 am

Add to the list of the damage CO2 is doing to the climate: Causes wind to stop blowing when it’s most needed. Solution: More solar and higher taxes.

Peter W
Reply to  Dennis G Sandberg
September 21, 2021 10:31 am

And next we will be hearing about how all the cloud cover is hurting solar output.

Ouluman
September 21, 2021 9:06 am

They should have hired the Gore-Hansen tag team to book COP26 at end of July and disable the A/C like in1988. November was always going to be a hard sell, especially in Scotland. Will be even harder now with the lights out!

JeffC
September 21, 2021 9:24 am

My energy provider has just gone down the pan and I’ve been transferred to to an edf standard tariff which will cost me a lot more than the fixed tariff I was on. There will be more suppliers going the same way soon.

Neo
September 21, 2021 9:25 am

Not using Telepresence or SKYPE for COP-26 is a COPOUT

ResourceGuy
September 21, 2021 9:28 am
Peter W
Reply to  ResourceGuy
September 21, 2021 10:33 am

More Covid deaths will solve that problem.

September 21, 2021 9:37 am

The Greenies have pushed this Renewable Energy, sans NPP, myth so long and hard the best thing to do is to let Britain and Germany FALL/FAIL

Michael in Dublin
September 21, 2021 11:00 am

Biden has just trumped Boris in humiliating climate leadership but we who have put them into power will be show up as even greater buffoons.

Pat from kerbob
September 21, 2021 11:33 am

Here in canada we had about 20 proposed LNG projects
We are building one
Because stupid

Endless arguments from greens of course of how economics aren’t there, no future demand, etc

All the while demand explodes

So much stupid, so little time to mock it all

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
September 21, 2021 1:55 pm

Yes, it’s a numbers issue at this point with mass produced stupid. It didn’t take a genius to see the policy drive into NG ending up in the ditch at some point on prices and limited infrastructure.

Greg
September 21, 2021 12:38 pm

under both Labour and Conservative administrations

Greg
September 21, 2021 12:40 pm

under both Labour and Conservative administrations

Britain does not have “administrations” , it has governments, eg. “a Conservative government.”

In general the civil service ( bureaucracy ) remains in place. Just the ministers change with a new government.

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Robert Alfred Taylor
Reply to  Greg
September 21, 2021 3:01 pm

Watch “Yes Minister” and “Yes Prime Minister” for a fun, but all too true look at how that works.

Leo Smith
September 21, 2021 1:15 pm

He who shits in the road, will meet flies on his return

The calm still windless and sunless air is full of the sound of chickens coming home to roost…

…Except Mr Fox has been in the hen house again…

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ResourceGuy
September 21, 2021 1:40 pm

Better start gathering firewood now before it becomes the next hot commodity or gets taxed. If you can’t find any, high rise cladding will do.

Paul C
Reply to  ResourceGuy
September 21, 2021 5:36 pm

They have already come for the firewood. On May day this year it became illegal to sell unseasoned firewood (water content above 20%) in quantities normal for domestic use in England. They also banned house coal. The briquette price has risen by a quarter, and the only change is that it has now been certified to be smokeless under the “ready to burn” scheme. The formulation remains the same. The original briquettes (same as the new ones, but without the paperwork) remain available in Scotland and Wales.

Peter East
September 21, 2021 8:51 pm

Why can’t they do this via Zoom or similar? We’d all love to go on junket but really, in this day and age, what’s wrong with internet based conferences?
I think I read somewhere that there will be 30000 delegates! Think of the carbon footprint! Bloody hypocrites!

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Peter East
September 22, 2021 6:56 am

Peter

30,000 is the anticipated number of attendees. Only around 4000 are actually involved in the negotiations. So yes hypocrites indeed!

Matthew Sykes
September 22, 2021 9:06 am

If only! I constantly write to my two local Tory MPs telling them exactly this, all backed up by evidence, that green policies are suicide and that climate change, such as there is, is beneficial.

They never listen!

Geb
September 23, 2021 3:33 am

No worries, under Cameron they catalogued every diesel generator in the country in case blackouts.

AntonyIndia
September 23, 2021 5:31 am

PR China invented a new way to please the COPs: stop the 20 coal plants it is building ABROAD. Pakistan for one is not happy: https://www.dawn.com/news/1647826/chinas-no-to-coal-plants-raises-questions-about-50bn-investment

Alba
September 23, 2021 9:15 am

From The Spectator:

How the Tories have fuelled Britain’s energy crisis

 
Britain is caught in an energy crisis of the government’s own making. It is true that gas prices have spiked all over the world – but we’re suffering more than most. Energy suppliers are going out of business, thanks to the government’s price cap. Even fertiliser companies are going bust, with serious knock-on effects for the food industry: the British Meat Processors Association says shortages could hit within a fortnight.
 
The trigger for this crisis has been the sudden surge in demand for gas as the global economy recovers from the Covid lockdowns. Gas prices have doubled in the United States, for example. In Britain, however, prices are five times higher. Why? Because America exploited fracking technology and capitalised on its huge inland gas reserves. Britain passed up the fracking opportunity, and we’re living with the consequences.
 
While the government is right to phase out the burning of coal, it is also running down our gas infrastructure without providing a viable alternative. Every country has gas reserves in the event of widespread shortages. France has 14 weeks’ worth, Germany has eight weeks, Italy has 11 weeks, while Britain has just four days. That is virtually no buffer at all when a supply crisis strikes.
 
Britain presents itself as a great example to other nations when it comes to handling energy policy and tackling climate change. Indeed, Boris Johnson has spent this week in New York asking why so few countries have followed Britain in making a legally binding commitment to hit net zero carbon emissions by 2050. The polite answer is that countries also have a duty to secure affordable energy for their citizens. When the COP26 summit convenes in Glasgow in a few weeks’ time, Britain could be in the middle of an energy crisis. The UK government might have to bail out almost-bankrupt fossil-fuel companies in a desperate attempt to keep the lights on. That would hardly be a great advertisement to the world.
 
Much as the government would love to be able to deliver secure energy supplies and low prices in tandem with zero carbon emissions, the technology simply does not yet exist to make it possible. Of course it is right to try to reduce emissions to zero if we can. However, energy security and economic growth should be the first priorities. As things stand, they are treated as an afterthought. We have caught a glimpse of the results this week. The Prime Minister has high hopes for the COP26 summit but he should be prepared for other countries to see, in his energy policy, an example of what not to do.

Quilter 52
September 23, 2021 11:36 pm

Frankly I think it’s going to take more than just Britain having that supply failing and the EU is likely to follow. At some point the peasants will really revolt and a bit of common sense will .emerge because there is no alternative. If only there was a Thatcher out there now.

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