The knife through the heart of COP26

Strong Increase In Thermal Power, As Wind & Solar Run Out Of Steam In China

Reposted from NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT

AUGUST 5, 2021

By Paul Homewood

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https://chinaenergyportal.org/en/2021-q2-electricity-other-energy-statistics/

Any prospect that China would play ball at COP26 have surely now vanished with their latest power generation numbers.

Compared to 2019, as last year’s figures were affected by COVID, the first six months of this year show that total generation has risen by 504 TWh, or 7.2%. Three quarters of this increase has come from growing thermal generation, principally coal.

By contrast, wind and solar power have increased by just 96 TWh.

But even more significant are the figures for new wind and solar capacity:

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PV-addi-MW-2021-q2

There we hefty increases for both wind and solar in Q4 last year, as work caught up after lockdowns. But so far this year, new capacity added is not even up to the level of 2019 and before. Wind power is of little consequence anyway in China, but there were signs that solar capacity could be ramped up quickly.

However, that was before subsidies were cut. Solar capacity currently stands at 267 GW. On current trends, about another 15 GW might be added this year, which is a tiny amount in comparison.

Meanwhile completed investments in thermal power projects is double that of wind and solar this year:

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There is simply no way China will reduce its dependence on fossil fuels anytime soon, and clearly the expectation that renewables would one day take over is now dead in the water.

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Andrew Wilkins
August 5, 2021 2:07 pm

Griff? Your thoughts?

(Sorry, I know it’s mean, but I can’t help myself.)

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Right-Handed Shark
Reply to  Andrew Wilkins
August 5, 2021 2:22 pm

He doesn’t have any of his own, his handlers are currently telling him what to say.

griff
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
August 6, 2021 1:32 am

Really? I’m some sort of paid agitator?

Koch brothers paying you, are they?

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2021 3:31 am

I know you’re not paid Griff. No one would pay for the rubbish you come out with.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2021 7:58 am

Having handlers doesn’t mean that you are being paid. It’s just that they don’t trust you enough to come up with answers on your own.

Dr. Bob
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2021 8:21 am

Griff,
you would be very surprised how many green project the Koch companies are supporting with engineering and technology including design and process guarantees. Look it up. You really don’t have a clue what is going on in the real world.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
August 6, 2021 3:30 am

If he has handlers they are feeding him some terrible info.
Maybe it’s a sceptic false flag operation

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Reply to  Andrew Wilkins
August 5, 2021 3:07 pm

Nobody needs to work off griffs comments. Lost energy.

H.R.
Reply to  Krishna Gans
August 5, 2021 3:30 pm

What’s the opposite of perpetual motion; infinite friction?

Whatever it may be, that’s our griff. Good ol’ reliable griff… like gravity… like friction… like a skunk at a party, but you’re on the sidelines and get to laugh.

WUWT wouldn’t be the same without griff, simon, loydo, et al. The laugh factor here would take a nose dive if they were ever laid off.

Keep those paychecks coming, GEBs. The ‘useful idiots’ have rent due each month and they probably don’t have enough friends to throw a rent party.


Just poking our resident climate change deniers in the ribs. They’re the only ones here that think climate shouldn’t change, and wouldn’t change if we only had more taxes, stopped using fossil fuels, and formed a One World Government. So they deserve a bit of teasing.

P.S. Gotta throw in the Question That Shall Not Be Answered: Which era would you prefer to live in; the low CO2 1700s or the higher CO2 current times?

Reply to  H.R.
August 5, 2021 3:43 pm

The laugh factor is the one side, the other is it is s.t. sad to see so much misery expressed in one comment, it’s to feel sorry for such misleaded persons.

Reply to  Krishna Gans
August 6, 2021 2:18 am

QED 😀

griff
Reply to  H.R.
August 6, 2021 1:37 am

Y’know, the checks from the Kremlin/Greenpeace/the Illuminati and what not aren’t enough to keep me in secret volcano lairs lately (have you tried getting a low CO2 volcano?).

Would Watts readers consider a fund raiser? I could name the luxury penthouse suites after contributors…

and seriously, why can’t climate also change, in addition to natural/historical processes, from human CO2? Because CO2 does have an effect in the atmosphere (if only we had a snappy shorthand name for that…)

Richard Page
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2021 3:42 am

Oh Griffy – come down off that high horse. As Oscar Wilde said – “There is only one thing worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about.”
And seriously – absolutely no-one on WUWT has taken the point that CO2 has no affect on warming at all; the point has been that it has far less of an impact than climate enthusiasts seem to think. The people here think that the dog wags it’s tail, not that the tail wags the dog.

MarkW
Reply to  Richard Page
August 6, 2021 8:00 am

There are a few that take the position that there is no such thing as a green house effect.
Unfortunately.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2021 7:59 am

griff’s jealous because he thinks the other trolls are being paid more than he is.

paul courtney
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2021 8:49 am

Mr. griff: “If only we had a snappy shorthand name for that…” If only. Instead of one name, you have five or six (what is it today? Climate change? Global warming? Global weirding? Climate warming global change?). What I find most amusing is, you folks are so busy coming up with snappy shorthand names, you don’t see how badly this diminishes the credibility of, well, you. And CliSci across the board.

H.R.
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2021 6:15 pm

(Griff replies to H.R. pokes back with a little humour.)

Now that was a bit of fun, wasn’t it? Nice reply, griff.

P.S. Generally, I don’t give you downvotes. I’ve given you maybe a half-dozen total when you were w-a-a-a-y off the mark.

I have given you upvotes when you deserve them. I just gave you one for that reply and I distinctly recall giving you four other upvotes over the years.

My few replies to you have mostly been regarding being a paid shill. If they aren’t paying you, they are getting their moneys worth.

griff
Reply to  Krishna Gans
August 6, 2021 1:33 am

and yet you all do…

I wasn’t even going to comment here today… busy… but then you all kindly comment for me…

I think you know I’m right when I post based on the clear evidence of damaging climate change.

Richard Page
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2021 3:45 am

Then your thinking is most definitely messed up. Every piece of biased misinformation that you post thinking it is ‘evidence’ has been easily and quickly rebutted. Even you must come to the point where you realise that this losing streak of yours will never end as long as you keep posting wrongheaded rubbish.

Reply to  griff
August 6, 2021 4:53 am

Evidence ???
What evidence ???
Don’t see any.
😀
What I see is a daily repetition of the same BS.

LdB
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2021 6:02 am

Poor Griff is having a bad Guardian day

MarkW
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2021 8:01 am

I’m still waiting for you to provide this clear evidence. Just citing floods and heat waves that have been regular features of the climate for millennia, doesn’t cut it.

griff
Reply to  Andrew Wilkins
August 6, 2021 1:31 am

Trying to read the Chinese? Might as well get the I Ching out and ask it.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2021 3:34 am

Eh?

HotScot
August 5, 2021 2:13 pm

Big Trouble in Little China…….

How long before politicians begin falling silent on CC and Net Zero if/when COP 26 doesn’t go well?

How long before the greens are quietly ignored and calls not returned?

How long before the media begins to back off the subject of CC because politicians have no victorious interviews to give.

How long before the climate scientists find their funding drying up?

It will be a while yet, but it appears the climate movement has had all the low hanging fruit and is now left to deal with the real hard yards.

Laughably, they have done it to themselves. I don’t think sceptics expected something like this ten years ago other than in the abstract.

Who would have thought the very means of perpetuating the climate change mantra might be the means of the beginning of its downfall.

I don’t know about anyone else, but I couldn’t have made it up.

John Tillman
Reply to  HotScot
August 5, 2021 2:40 pm

US Greens don’t realize or care that by our oh so virtuously not selling our low sulfur, high heat content hard black anthracite coal to China, they’ll just burn their crummy, soft brown, high S, low BTU lignite junk, thus emitting more CO2 per unit of electrical power producedd, plus more real pollution, in the forms of SO2, “black carbon” soot, etc.

.KcTaz
Reply to  John Tillman
August 5, 2021 2:54 pm

John, include Australia in that. They are shutting down their coal fired plants to “Save the Earth” while still mining coal to sell to China. Unless, that is, China has stopped buying Aussie coal due to their recent tifs.

…I just checked and found this.
Australian coal exports survive, adapt, overcome …https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/ip3/www.australianmining.com.au.icohttps://www.australianmining.com.au/news/australian-coal-exports-survive-adapt-overcome/
“Australian coal exports have continued to steadily rise in value since overcoming China’s ban on the commodity last year, data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) has revealed. Coal exports in April 2021 increased by $287 million, 8 per cent higher when compared with the previous month…”

It seems greens in Aus. (and elsewhere) fail to understand we live on one planet with one atmosphere. Why shut down Aus. coal fired plants but continue mining coal when it’s just burned in other places?
sorry, I know using logic is not allowed in the Renewables/Climate Change debate.

John Tillman
Reply to  .KcTaz
August 5, 2021 3:54 pm

I didn’t include Oz, as not sure of its current export situation.

kwinterkorn
Reply to  .KcTaz
August 5, 2021 4:41 pm

Why?
To virtue signal.

Craig from Oz
Reply to  .KcTaz
August 5, 2021 5:35 pm

It is a variation of NIMBY – Not In My Back Yard

These types are happy to have things installed in their back yard, (or on their roof), provided they are built a long way away using materials mined (possibly with child labour) a different long way away.

If someone attempted to start up a Lithium mine in Australia (assuming economic deposits actually existed) the usual gang of utter shrieking panic merchants would go nuts. Import same Lithium from overseas and “mumble mumble sorry what was the question?”

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Craig from Oz
August 5, 2021 6:00 pm

Craig, Oz is a substantial producer of Li although the lions share of ownership is Chinese

Google Greenbushes Lithium

John
Reply to  Craig from Oz
August 5, 2021 10:23 pm

even battery packs which are inherently dangerous
but who cares if somebody dies in a fire they saved the world from CO2 by creating more CO2 from unsustaintable sources

Reply to  John Tillman
August 6, 2021 7:46 am

An awful lot of VERY wealthy investors bought the US Coal mines that closed down due to the EPA rules on the coal powered plants. The Particulate Matter (PM2.5) rule was the cause of death. The average PM in many of the areas where coal plants were was over PM10 Thus a coal power plant would be turned into a giant HEPA filter at GREAT EXPENSE. Many were the same “investors” that were pushing for these rule changes, e.g. G. Sporos. You can rest assured they are making money.

Ted
Reply to  HotScot
August 5, 2021 4:37 pm

It depends on the response to the insane Delta variant restrictions. The data shows conclusively that vaccinated people can spread the virus, meaning it is completely useless to demand show proof of vaccination for anything. If politicians can violate rights and privacy laws at will, there might not be any need for the CO2 scam. If polling shows Independent voters resisting en masse, than the climate push will be redoubled.

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Ted
August 5, 2021 6:57 pm

It depends on the response to the insane Delta variant restrictions.

Now Australia has made it impossible for a non-resident to leave, and go back home, without government approval. That’s right, foreigners have to apply for permission to return home.

Given the amount of money wasted so far, a really good system of federal-built and run quarantine residences would have been a 10th of the cost and massively more effective. The state-run hotel quarantines were a massive failure, actually spreading the virus in some instances. The feds were happy to let it all blow up and say it’s not their fault.

ATM, I can’t even get a vaccine from the government, and they’ve effectively locked up half the population. The incompetence is staggering, even for Australian governments!

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.KcTaz
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
August 5, 2021 8:45 pm

That is what Trump did with the cruise ship and returning citizens from China. He did not abandon them to their fate and refuse entry. He put them in special facilities staffed with doctors and healthcare people for quarantine. No one got it from them. If memory serves, those returning who had COVID were put there in other, but separate, facilities. No one was infected by any of them. I mean, really, this wasn’t hard to figure out except for politicians in Aus., apparently. (I love Aus., so am not picking on the people but, really, you have some dumb politicians.)

John
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
August 5, 2021 10:27 pm

unfortunately the OZ government is dumb
Australia had the best quarantine system in the world with camps built to manage the Spanish flu
away from the general population with a dirty side – until you were confirmed virus free then the Clean side to ensure you had not contracted it
they were only discontinued in the 1960s

I guess as we move forward we might relearn a very effective system

ozspeaksup
Reply to  John
August 6, 2021 2:56 am

thing is every case now and for some time has been from OS incoming who DID 14days qtine and were tested then showed+ a day or more later, after release and moving around
so the original plague times FOUR weeks Q proves to be the safer period.
as for the must be vaxed idiots, well thats proved to be little use for catch or spreading. but still they wont allow speech about Ivermectin as prophylaxis

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Greg cave
Reply to  ozspeaksup
August 6, 2021 4:21 am

Governments are incapable of thought and actions that make sense .
if a plane arrives today go to hotel #1 Tomorrow #2 and so forth up to hotel 14. All guests stay in one place until all are clean for 14 days . No one arrives on day13 and joins a group ready to leave and infects them . ALL cases in Australia arrived by plane or ship and got out of quarantine.
simple effective and easier to administer so WONT happen.
hope vaccines are more effective than I think they will prove to be and elimination works in Aust and NZ. fearful that Swedish medical Boss will end up proven correct.
I don’t know, don’t think anyone knows really.
Good health to all and may the vaccines amd herd immunity be with you
cheers

.KcTaz
Reply to  Ted
August 5, 2021 8:34 pm

I think you’ve Nailed It, Ted!

Roger Knights
Reply to  HotScot
August 5, 2021 8:02 pm

How long before the climate scientists find their funding drying up?”

Unfortunately, Bezos has pledged $10 billion to global warming entities.

John
Reply to  Roger Knights
August 5, 2021 10:28 pm

dont you mean BOZO

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  HotScot
August 6, 2021 3:39 am

I’d love to see temps drop back to 1970s levels (brrr!) just for a little bit so we could witness the CAGW machine fall on its arse and watch people such as Mike Mann get vilified for their dishonesty.
However, like you I think it will just fizzle out and the Marxists will move on to their next hobby horse. In the same way that in the 80s we were all expecting the cold war to end in nuclear Armageddon and instead it just slowly faded away once the Berlin wall came down.

Mike
Reply to  Andrew Wilkins
August 6, 2021 2:44 pm

Wouldn’t matter, they would just reduce the historical temperatures again to show it is still warming. If any other area of “science” (cancer, heart disease) manipulated data the way climate “scientists” do they would all be in jail.

n.n
August 5, 2021 2:14 pm

China is not known, and has not remained viable, by taking a knee to special, peculiar, and self-indulgent causes.

.KcTaz
Reply to  n.n
August 5, 2021 2:59 pm

n.n.
Nor to noble and moral causes like freedom, democracy, justice, following International Laws, ending slavery, discrimination, racism, murder of dissidents, etc.

John Tillman
Reply to  .KcTaz
August 5, 2021 4:48 pm

Plus harvesting the organs of religious minorities.

.KcTaz
Reply to  John Tillman
August 5, 2021 8:47 pm

That, too, John, and they are doing while the people are still alive! The Chinese do like all of their meat to be fresh and killed just before eating, or using for transplants. It’s beyond evil and disgusting.

Whaddafarque
Reply to  John Tillman
August 6, 2021 12:44 am

You mean the way Baal gates harvests the bodyparts of unborn humans in his abortion clinics?

Reply to  .KcTaz
August 6, 2021 1:09 am

China is only doing what the EU and the Democrats would like to do.
Centralised command government with all opposition simply cancelled

Reply to  n.n
August 5, 2021 3:03 pm

China does not follow “green socialism” but instead follows the science — where more CO2 is good for the earth …https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1Iu9D5RhqQ

Pillage Idiot
Reply to  John Shewchuk
August 5, 2021 3:11 pm

True, but if CO2 was bad for the earth, China would still follow the “whatever is good for China” option.

Reply to  Pillage Idiot
August 5, 2021 3:33 pm

They have a know air pollution problem and they are working on that in 2 ways — cleaning up the power generation emissions and increasing nuclear power generation. The bigger point is — as they become energy independent and an industrial world power — we become something that is not pleasant to talk about.

.KcTaz
Reply to  John Shewchuk
August 5, 2021 9:59 pm

Joh, why is it that you defend China? Their pollution, not just of air but in their mining of rare earth metals and manufacturing of solar and windmills and the subsequent pollution of their water, earth and lakes, to include radioactive waste that sickens and kills the villagers and livestock is horrific.

Reply to  .KcTaz
August 6, 2021 4:51 am

OMG. That’s a completely different subject. I have never defended pollution. Yes — we all have a pollution problem — and each country is working its own ways to fix that. The important issue is reliable and economical energy — and China is leading the way. As China moves toward energy independence — we move backwards into energy chaos with expensive and unreliable green experiments … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1Iu9D5RhqQ

ozspeaksup
Reply to  n.n
August 6, 2021 2:57 am

oh, except their own;-)

fretslider
August 5, 2021 2:16 pm

The BBC had a story claiming the CoP may be scuppered by the [Chinese] virus.

Why bother turning up anyway, we know the result already.

Smart Rock
Reply to  fretslider
August 5, 2021 2:55 pm

Defund the COPs

Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  fretslider
August 6, 2021 2:47 am

An easy way out of Cop 26 is to just cancel it because Covid Delta. They are lying like crazy about cases/deaths anyway, might as well use the lie to save some face.

ResourceGuy
August 5, 2021 2:19 pm

Meanwhile at WSJ..

Note: (Glencore is London based)

Coal Is a Gold Mine for Producers After Blistering RallyThermal-coal miner Glencore reported record first-half earnings and expects the fuel to be a big moneymaker for the rest of the year
Glencore, the biggest producer of thermal coal for export by sea, on Thursday posted record earnings of $8.7 billion in the first six months of 2021, up 79% from a year earlier. A decline in coal production offset the effect of rising prices, which began to surge late in the first half, but Glencore said the coal market would be a big moneymaker for the rest of the year.

Investors are rewarding the miners that stuck with coal. Peabody shares have more than quadrupled this year, while London-listed Glencore is up 39% and Whitehaven has risen 29%.

Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  ResourceGuy
August 5, 2021 2:23 pm

Didn’t George Soros buy up a bunch of the closed coal mines in the US?

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
August 5, 2021 3:09 pm

That’s how the scum of the Earth make themselves wealthy. Rig the game to their advantage politically and buy at “distressed” prices knowing they’ll recoup their “investment” times many when the game reaches its conclusion.

ResourceGuy
August 5, 2021 2:22 pm

Send Kerry to personally investigate the booming coal power business in China and the solar component production in western China gulags. We need a full report from him by year end.

bill Johnston
Reply to  ResourceGuy
August 5, 2021 2:43 pm

2022?????

Retired_Engineer_Jim
August 5, 2021 2:25 pm

The PRC can hold its head up high in Glasgow, if the COP is held, and be proud of the fact that they are meeting their Paris commitments. How about the western industrialized countries – how are they doing on their commitments?

.KcTaz
Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
August 5, 2021 3:05 pm

Huh? Sorry, I’m confused, Jim.

Drake
Reply to  .KcTaz
August 5, 2021 4:38 pm

Jim is the one who is confused. He appears to be intentionally clueless re their commitments.

Reply to  Drake
August 6, 2021 1:11 am

I think you missed the dripping sarcasm..

MarkW
Reply to  .KcTaz
August 5, 2021 5:29 pm

China’s commitment is to do nothing until 2030, and China is living up to that commitment.

AntonyIndia
Reply to  MarkW
August 6, 2021 6:25 am

The Western elite accepted this totally lopsided deal in Paris to keep Beijing “onboard”. They did the same before at the WTO where China till today is still a developing nation with all privileges. This was done by a few Westerners making big money with “make-impossible-cheap-in-China” stocks like Apple, Amazon etc.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  .KcTaz
August 5, 2021 6:11 pm

K Taz it’s a joke. China promised nothing til mid century, so they are the only one to have met their commitment! Oh and mid century means never!! The gullibility of western leaders is appalling.

.KcTaz
Reply to  Gary Pearse
August 5, 2021 10:09 pm

Ah, thanks, Gary. Knowing what is a joke does become difficult what with all the clueless people in this world and the large numbers of Chinese Gov. paid trolls. At least, I wasn’t the only one confused, it seems. 🙂 Apologies, Jim.

Bill Toland
Reply to  .KcTaz
August 6, 2021 12:40 am

I think Retired_Engineer_Jim was making a joke.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
August 5, 2021 3:11 pm

Easy to do when your “commitment” is to “peak” your “emissions” a decade in the future.

Steve Z
Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
August 5, 2021 4:07 pm

Since the Paris accords don’t require (or ask) China to do anything before 2030, of course China can say it honored its commitments to do nothing.

Only the “western industrialized countries” actually committed to reducing CO2 emissions prior to 2021, and the country with the most CO2 emission reductions since the Paris accords is–ta da! the USA.

By the way, during Trump’s presidency, the CO2 emission reductions were achieved not by government intervention, but by conversion of coal-fired power plants to natural-gas-fired turbines, where the abundance of natural gas from fracking reduced its cost relative to coal.

How to reduce CO2 emissions: Free up energy markets and keep on fracking!

.KcTaz
Reply to  Steve Z
August 5, 2021 10:12 pm

Exactly, Steve.

U.S. Cuts ‘Global Warming’ Gases Faster Than Anyone Else, But Media Ignore It
https://bit.ly/3aeUBhx
04/20/2018

…And no, we’re not claiming this as a victory for Donald Trump or anyone else in government. It’s due to fracking and the replacement of high-CO2 fuels like coal with far-cleaner natural gas.
That trend can be seen in another data series, which shows that emissions in the electric power sector plunged 25% since 2005, an unprecedented amount.
“This report confirms the president’s critics are wrong again: one-size-fits-all regulations like the Clean Power Plan or misguided international agreements like the Paris Accords are not the solution,” said EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt. “The U.S. has reduced greenhouse gas emissions more than any country on Earth over the last decade…”

Richard Page
Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
August 5, 2021 4:46 pm

I think that there are 2 agreements that China has made which are being conflated here. China had an agreement with the USA (Obama) that it would reduce its fossil fuel use after a peak in 2030, whilst the USA would begin to reduce theirs immediately; which it is laughably adhering to. The Paris agreements require China to meet certain targets in 2020 and 2030 (I believe) which it is NOT adhering to so far – it’s failed it’s 2020 targets by a large margin and not one peep out of any other countries. China must be so damn happy and encouraged to do whatever the hell it wants to now!

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Richard Page
August 5, 2021 7:04 pm

China must be so damn happy and encouraged to do whatever the hell it wants to now!

China runs the WHO, and probably the IPCC. Soon it will be running the entire UN.

We have to defund the UN.

Davidf
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
August 5, 2021 9:39 pm

And there you have it. The UN is an institution long past its use by date

Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
August 5, 2021 5:54 pm

missing a <sarc tag> ?

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
August 5, 2021 6:06 pm

Paris commitment is Zero!
I got the joke R E Jim!

michael hart
August 5, 2021 2:36 pm

It’s nice to know that you can trust the CCP to do some things.

But I’d still rather not live there. A bit like having to make an alliance with Stalin in 1941.

.KcTaz
Reply to  michael hart
August 5, 2021 3:11 pm

What is it we are trusting them to do? I feel like I’ve missed something here.

China: “renewable energy … intermittent and unstable, we must rely on a stable power source”
https://bit.ly/3xNUciq
5/3/21  WUWT

AlexBerlin
Reply to  michael hart
August 5, 2021 3:53 pm

The problem started when the alliance with Stalin wasn’t immediately cancelled in May 1945, to rally the remaining troops all over Europe and wipe Stalin off the earth like it had just happened to Hitler. Those two atomic bombs would have been more useful on Moscow and Leningrad than on Japan!

Richard Page
Reply to  AlexBerlin
August 5, 2021 4:50 pm

Those 2 atomic bombs were dropped on Japan but aimed at Moscow. The first ended the war but the second was a clear message to Stalin to end his Asian landgrab.

.KcTaz
Reply to  AlexBerlin
August 5, 2021 10:30 pm

FDR was quite fond of Stalin, as I recall from the history books, and he stupidly trusted him. Truman was neither fond of Stalin, nor did he trust him. Truman was only FDR’s VP because he needed to dump Wallace for the election and thought Wallace’s being an avowed Communist would be a problem for his re-election campaign.
Stalin’s Secret Agents: The Subversion of Roosevelt’s Government https://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/02/david-martin/stalins-secret-agents-the-subversion-of-roosevelts-government/

M Courtney
August 5, 2021 2:47 pm

Can’t fault China for being sensible and efficient.

But I do think that there is a greater role for solar in heating water. It’s common in Southern Europe to have water tanks on the roofs to be warmed by the Sun. There is a greater role for that use of energy in Asia too.

But would we ever notice it? Would it be recorded?

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  M Courtney
August 5, 2021 3:47 pm

On that topic, was interesting in Jerusalem that you can tell if a neighborhood is Jewish or Muslim/Arab as the rooftop water tanks were black in one, white in the other

Just can’t recall which was which now.

You’d think black is better, absorb more heat

Gary Pearse
Reply to  M Courtney
August 5, 2021 6:17 pm

M Courtney, Beijing, Chengdu has black water tanks on the roofs all over town and I assume they are all over the country.

AGW is Not Science
August 5, 2021 3:04 pm

Notice how they show percentages of increase within each category, nice way to mislead.

In round numbers, as a percentage of the total increase in production, it looks much more realistic with respect to what they are doing. In round numbers:

Thermal 75%
Hydro (6%)
Nuclear 7%
Wind 13%
Solar 5%

Rud Istvan
August 5, 2021 3:09 pm

The PRC is making out three ways. First, they are meeting their Paris commitment (nothing) so can shame EU which isn’t. Second, they get to sell cheap rare earths for wind turbines and EVs… cheap because they pollute like crazy from the processing. Finally, they build USC coal like crazy, because can buy cheap Australian thermal coal to supplement their own.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
August 5, 2021 3:34 pm

They win — we lose. Thank you Biden.

Richard Page
Reply to  John Shewchuk
August 5, 2021 4:52 pm

And Obama – it was his agreement to allow China to do nothing until 2030 while USA reduced their fossil fuel consumption. Credit where credit (or blame) is due.

Reply to  Richard Page
August 5, 2021 5:00 pm

Yes. They are all part of the same bad apply. I even made a short video to honor their heroic efforts to save the planet — at our expense of course … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtBT3M-RIZ0

Reply to  Rud Istvan
August 5, 2021 4:59 pm

The CCP ….I read…is not selling rare earths…you must buy the product from them…magnets etc. The CCP is having disputes with Australia…boycotts coal…wines…etc. The CCP should be boycotted by everyone because it is a criminal organization.

Reply to  Anti_griff
August 6, 2021 1:14 am

All governments are thinly disguised self legalising protection rackets

MarkW
Reply to  Leo Smith
August 6, 2021 8:05 am

For the most part, all governments were originally nothing more than the strongest gang in the area.

markl
August 5, 2021 3:22 pm

Don’t expect the AGW alarmists to shift their focus from the West to China soon. I predict the narrative will shift to the West, combined, vs. China. India won’t be touched. There’s too much invested in this scam to quit now. The audacity to think they could pull it off, and may have without China ruining their ball game, is frightening. It has always been about redistribution of wealth and nothing more.

Richard Page
Reply to  markl
August 5, 2021 5:00 pm

India appears to be aligning itself politically and militarily against China – unsurprising as China has historically backed Pakistan. As long as that alignment holds, India will get a ‘pass’ on Paris commitments. The West won’t go after China while the trade is in China’s favour – if they’re really serious about hitting them where it hurts, the West will ignore Paris, build up it’s manufacturing capacity again then try to impose sanctions. My guess is it’ll just be business as usual and China won’t get anything more than a condescending talking to.

AndyHce
August 5, 2021 3:38 pm

Nothing that happens in the real world will divert the activists unless it really hurts, such as eliminating their funding or stringing them up on lamp posts.

Serge Wright
August 5, 2021 3:51 pm

The data is just following the expected path here. China has always intended to increase emissions in order to grow into the world’s dominant superpower so as to have full control. Whilst the ‘woke’ leaders of the western world are intent on helping China achieve their goal by enforcing a flawed energy policy under the guise of a fake climate scare, in order to destroy their economies, in their belief that they will be guaranteed special power and privilege in the new totalitarian communist world order.

markl
Reply to  Serge Wright
August 5, 2021 4:50 pm

“…in their belief that they will be guaranteed special power and privilege in the new totalitarian communist world order….” +1 That, and the belief that they can make a better world with that power.

.KcTaz
Reply to  markl
August 5, 2021 10:36 pm

I sincerely doubt China gives a fig about making a better world. It’s all about Power, Control and Money to the CCP. That’s all it’s about.

Reply to  .KcTaz
August 6, 2021 1:15 am

+1000

THOMAS ENGLERT
Reply to  .KcTaz
August 6, 2021 11:23 pm

+ $500,000,000,000

Robert of Texas
August 5, 2021 3:59 pm

It will be hard for “renewables” to keep growing when they keep taking power sources out of “renewables”. No nuclear, no bio, and now no hydro.

They should use the term “Subsidized” or maybe even “Dictated” when referring to solar and wind power generation. It makes a lot more sense.

Posa
August 5, 2021 4:03 pm

China is on course to expand its fleet to 3500 (vs. 550 and shrinking in the US). 600 is a drop in the bucket.

China’s newly released Five Year Plan is hell bent on “independence”… in the energy sector that means a switch to EVs to be powered by national coal and uranium reserves, along with hydrogen, the latter a by-product from China’s huge chemical sector. Together, these national resources will replace oil imports from vulnerable Middle East sources. That’s the Master Plan and Beijing is not of a mind to rescind that vision.

This is all baked into the Five Year plan and National Security doctrine to avoid the kind of killer embargo the West imposed on Imperial Japan… coal is absolutely imperative if China is to continue its economic development and independent National Security.

According to Su Wei, Deputy Secretary-General of the National Development and Reform Commission, renewable energy is too unreliable to power China.
China has ‘no other choice’ but to rely on coal power for now, the official says

Of course, the Sec- General is spot on, gobsmacking the a-holes driving the West straight back into the New Dark Ages.

So yeah Greenies in the West… starve yourself. China (and India and Russia) are not going along with Green Fascism… Freeze in the Dark eating bugs. In 20 years you and your kids can shine Chinese shoes and scrub their toilets. You deserve your fate.

Last edited 1 month ago by Posa
August 5, 2021 5:03 pm

On the contrary, China is making even bigger promises (long term of course) for COP26. Always keep in mind that reality is not an issue in COPworld.

Roger Knights
August 5, 2021 8:10 pm

Here’s how the greens will (and have?) spin this: Wind and solar increased at twice the rate of fossil fuels in China.

PCman999
August 6, 2021 12:47 am

Title is too optimistic. COP26 will definitely sire COP27 and soon after that ’28 will come into the world. I really fear that with the current state of science, media and the political class, eventually we will be told COP28, say, was a complete success with firm promises made all around, and every country will go off and do what they want and no media outlet will tell what actually was done or how effective the outcome was. Even now, I am surprised that we have any numbers coming out of China – what’s to stop them from just making up statistics that show them leading the charge against the climate emergency, goading other countries and their gullible electorate into going along with insane mandates – that lead to more orders of Chinese solar panels and turbines.

Kiwi Gary
August 6, 2021 1:07 am

I recall a paper out of China 3 or 4 years back which examined the wind power potential [ as measured by available windspeed ] change over time. For the Northern hemisphere, wind power potential had reduced by 30% since 1975. Perhaps that is why China is not entirely enthusiastic about it.

August 6, 2021 2:18 am

China have been indirectly funding green NGOs (you know how) for years. They have also been buying up politicians, think tanks and academics to put in their pocket. The aim was to make the west economically impotent so that China became the de facto world power and could then dictate to us how we lived our lives and how we ran our countries. And it won’t be pleasant, because China is one of the most racist countries in the world, and basically, the only good foreigner is a de facto “slave” working for the benefit of the Chinese.

That’s their plan … or it was until the west proved it was so easily manipulated by covid that it literally started to implode economically … because of a flu. China now knows that the west has no backbone, and certainly not able to stand up to China militarily … not because we lack the weapons, but because we lack the backbone to use them. And that perception was not helped by the spineless military who went along with every woke cause (funded by China) and who zealously attacked their own citizens to save them from … just flu. They might talk tough when against tiny countries … but no way could they ever resist China.

So, as far as China is concerned, the West is a spent power. There is no need to pretend about them going along with the climate garbage. Yes, it will still make the right noises – because that is cost free, but it will be laughing at us, not going along with anything.

The question that matters for COP is this: “Are the environ-mentalists who so happily jumped into the Chinese pocket still useful?” I think maybe not. These nutters have done their work destroying our moral, morale and economy, so what is the point funding them now?

After all not only do we go barmy over just an ordinary flu epidemic, but the Chinese control of our media is such that they can just as easily trigger the whole west to literally go up in flames using a filmed incident of a criminal dying from the drugs he took. The West is easy to control and the west is now collapsing in on itself economically through simple fear of a bug.

What on earth do China have to fear from the west now? What is the point with playing these silly climate games?

August 6, 2021 5:48 am

Wind grew by 14.6% and solar by 22.9%. That is not what I would call to “Run Out Of Steam”

/Jan

MarkW
Reply to  Jan Kjetil Andersen
August 6, 2021 8:06 am

Twice nothing is still nothing

Reply to  MarkW
August 6, 2021 10:27 pm

Nothing?

They got 727 TWh from wind and solar in 2020.

This year they will probably produce more from wind and solar than all, the US nuclear power plants combined.

https://chinaenergyportal.org/en/2020-electricity-other-energy-statistics-preliminary/

Alba
August 6, 2021 11:56 am

I thought I was quite good at arithmetic but it turns out that that is not the case. The chart states that completed investment in thermal power projects was 20,200 million RMB, in wind power was 82,600 million RMB and in solar power was 16,500 million RMB. According to my calculation that makes competed investment in wind and solar power five times greater than completed investment in thermal power. But the article says that “completed investments in thermal power projects is double that of wind and solar this year”. I’m obviously missing something but I can’t see what it is.

Graemethecat
Reply to  Alba
August 8, 2021 12:10 am

No statistics from the PRC should ever be trusted.

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