CBS: CDC Emergency Meeting to Discuss Rare Covid Vaccine Heart Complications

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

h/t Breitbart; A 2012 SARS Vaccine Study suggested vaccination increases the risk of fatal heart inflammation, when the body is challenged with the actual virus. Fast forward to today, and rare Heart complications are once again appearing, when patients are administered SARS-CoV-2 vaccines.

CDC plans “emergency meeting” on rare heart inflammation following COVID-19 vaccines

BY ALEXANDER TIN
JUNE 11, 2021 / 7:22 AM / CBS NEWS

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced Thursday that it will convene an “emergency meeting” of its advisers on June 18th to discuss rare but higher-than-expected reports of heart inflammation following doses of the mRNA-based Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines.

So far, the CDC has identified 226 reports that might meet the agency’s “working case definition” of myocarditis and pericarditis following the shots, the agency disclosed Thursday. The vast majority have recovered, but 41 had ongoing symptoms, 15 are still hospitalized, and 3 are in the intensive care unit.

The reports represent just a tiny fraction of the nearly 130 million Americans who have been fully vaccinated with either Pfizer or Moderna’s doses. 

Shimabukuro said their findings were mostly “consistent” with reports of rare cases of heart inflammation that had been studied in Israel and reported from the U.S. Department of Defense earlier this year.

Read more: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-vaccine-cdc-meeting-myocarditis-heart-inflammation/

Infection with Covid-19 without the vaccine is capable of causing heart complications, so I am not suggesting people should cancel plans to receive the vaccine. I personally know a senior doctor who is furious that stories of Covid vaccine complications are taken out of context, that Covid vaccines are no worse than flu vaccines, in terms of their side effects. But obviously it is a priority to investigate any reports of problems.

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Wayne Townsend
June 14, 2021 6:05 pm

The problem with the heart inflammation is not that it is a frequent side effect (it’s not). It is that it is a side effect more frequent with people (read children/young adults) who are unlikely to need the vaccination at all. In a cost-benefit ratio, that looks heavy on rare costs compared to rarer benefits.

Bryan A
Reply to  Wayne Townsend
June 14, 2021 10:03 pm

The problem is one of how do you tell which 1 in a million will be adversely affected by the vaccine? With 310,000,000 doses administered in the U.S. and 160,000,000 fully immunized with no adverse reactions 226/160,000,000 is so small a fraction it is literally a one in a million chance .0001% vs a 10% chance of infection and a subsequent 1.8% chance of dying from the disease

Last edited 1 month ago by Bryan A
StevenF
Reply to  Bryan A
June 14, 2021 10:36 pm

Good analysis, except that the risk of myocarditis is mostly among young children and the risk of them dying from the disease is much much less than 1.8%. Closer to .01 percent. Then you end up with a disease and a vaccine that have similar risk/rewards.

ironargonaut
Reply to  StevenF
June 15, 2021 1:47 am

Sounds like the risk of dying from this is 0.000000%. What is the chance of heart complications for young children from COVid? Article doesn’t say any children are part of the 220. Compare this symptom to odds dying, and getting other serious symptoms of covid to be accurate.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  ironargonaut
June 15, 2021 6:12 am

The Hippocratic Oath is no longer in effect?

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
June 15, 2021 8:55 am

Monte, no, it gets tossed out the window when there is a panic (justified or not) to grant Emergency Use Authorization to a brand new class of drugs (e.g., mRNA-based with PEG microencapsulation) and with less than a full year to see what long-term complications might develop from the general population, not a limited test group, receiving such a new drug.

See, according to the above article, the CDC/NIH/NIAID “follow the science” personnel have known, or should have known, about the potential for vaccines against SARS-like viruses having the potential to cause heart-related complications in persons receiving such vaccines as long as nine year ago.

Yet now—only now?—they deem it necessary to call an emergency meeting to investigate the “appearance” of this SARS-CoV-2 vaccine side effect.

Just unbelievable!

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
June 15, 2021 11:27 am

Indeed. And the panic has been purposely maximized by inflating the infection rates with the bogus PCR test, and by prohibiting doctors from treating infected patients early, thereby artificially increasing mortality rates.

TonyG
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
June 15, 2021 1:11 pm

What I would like to know is: when in the past have we ever defined a “case” of something (cold, flu, etc) based on a test (i.e. PCR)?

How many “cases” would there have been if we used the same criteria?

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  TonyG
June 15, 2021 3:54 pm

Good questions, for which there will likely never be any reliable answers.

ironargonaut
Reply to  TonyG
June 16, 2021 11:17 pm

Strep throat for last decade or so.

ironargonaut
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
June 16, 2021 11:13 pm

Guess what also causes heart related complications the SARS viruses.
So get the Johnson and Johnson vaccine instead.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  ironargonaut
June 17, 2021 7:01 am

No thanks!

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  ironargonaut
June 17, 2021 1:08 pm

Thanks, but I’ll take my chances with the virus, not any of the currrently-experimental vaccines being pushed upon the public.

ironargonaut
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
June 16, 2021 11:02 pm

It is still in effect. Doctors everyday do cost benefit analysis on individual patients. How is this different? I suppose you would argue amputating a leg to save a patients life from an untreatable infection is harm. Vaccinating and saving people, children included, from death vs. causing a few heart inflammations which can also be caused by a virus such as COVid is no different. Do you think the administration of polio vaccines was a violation of the hippocratic oath? Half the pills given by DRs warn they may cause serious side effects. Is every single DR who prescribes these violating the hippocratic oath? Why would you even make such a comment?

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  ironargonaut
June 19, 2021 4:13 pm

ironargonaut posted: “Doctors everyday do cost benefit analysis on individual patients.”

Sounds nice, but do you have any evidence—any evidence at all—that that statement is true?

Ron
Reply to  ironargonaut
June 15, 2021 9:09 pm

What is the chance of heart complications for young children from COVid?

Don’t know about heart disease but apparently COVID induces strokes in young adults (20-30) at a frequency that it was picked up in NYC during the first wave cause strokes are usually very rare at that age.

Would be important to know what the risk is compared to the heart complications.

ironargonaut
Reply to  Ron
June 16, 2021 10:51 pm

So possible heart complication w/vaccine possible stroke w/o vaccine. Yet, pointing out that no one has died from these heart complications, that may be temporary causes everyone to go in a tizzy and down rate my comment. I guess facts don’t matter to some.

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  ironargonaut
June 19, 2021 4:25 pm

ironargonaut posted: “Yet, pointing out that no one has died from these heart complications . . .”

In response, I’ll just point out this verbatim information obtained today from https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html (my underlining emphasis added):
“Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 310 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through June 14, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 5,343 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. . . . recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.”

I do believe the sands are shifting under your feet.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  ironargonaut
June 17, 2021 5:02 am

“What is the chance of heart complications for young children from COVid?”

I read yesterday that about 50 percent of seriously ill Wuhan virus patients, and about 25 percent of mildly ill patients, and a little less than 20 percent of asymptomatic patients were experiencing complicatins from the Wuhan virus infection. I don’t know how those figures break down with children.

Also, those complications include much more than just heart inflammation.

The best course of action, without using a vaccine is to treat anyone, including children, with HCQ/Ivermectin or something similiar (there are lots of new alternatives, with more to come), and the key to all this is to treat anyone with therapeutics as soon as they show an infection.

The prudent thing is if you get infected, get this Wuhan virus out of your body as soon as possible and that means taking therapeutics as soon as possible.

Currently, the American Medical Associations advises that if you get infected, you stay home and let the virus run its course. That looks to me like some of the worst medical advice evah!

Therapeutics like HCQ and Ivermectin will eliminate the virus from your body four or five days earlier than if you took no medications. That four or five days might be critical to your future health.

India is having great successs with administering Ivermectin and this has caused the infection rate to plummet, and they are prescribing it for children, too. One Indian State is having all its people take Ivermectin as a preventatie and that includes children.

The Official American Medical Establishment has dropped the ball on the Wuhan virus badly. TDS writ large. I should add that many doctors do treat the Wuhan virus as soon as possible, but they have no official blessing and a lot of official roadblocks to doing so. Outrageous!

Their stupid directions concerning treating the Wuhan virus has cost the lives of countless innocent citizens, and the health of many others, into the future as long as this policy stands. Medicine and politics are a deadly combination.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Tom Abbott
June 17, 2021 7:03 am

Currently, the American Medical Associations advises that if you get infected, you stay home and let the virus run its course. That looks to me like some of the worst medical advice evah!

Exactamundo!

Eric Vieira
Reply to  StevenF
June 15, 2021 4:24 am

The main thing here is: the disease hits mainly elderly over 80 with comorbidities. The vaccine should protect them, but there are many reports of vaccinated elderly getting Covid = failure. They also have less side-effects from the vaccine because their immune system isn’t that reactive. In the case of younger people with a healthy immune system, the benefit/risk ratio is not that good. The side effects observed are more frequent, and worse. The risk due to the disease on the other hand is much lower.

Reply to  Bryan A
June 15, 2021 3:36 am

fully immunized

Are you ??? No, you aren’t.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Krishna Gans
June 15, 2021 3:46 am
Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Krishna Gans
June 15, 2021 9:00 am

In the US, we are see the appearance of the word “breakout” more and more frequently in the news.

It is soft-speak for the lack of effectivity of current COVID-19 vaccines to prevent post-vaccination infection by the SARS-CoV-2 virus and/or its variants.

Spetzer86
Reply to  Bryan A
June 15, 2021 4:18 am

“No adverse reactions” is quite a step for a vaccine with more reports than the combined totals of all vaccines for the last several years. Around here, the second Pfizer shot seems to put most people down for a day or two.

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Spetzer86
June 17, 2021 1:24 pm

And the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) compiles and summarizes reports that are:
— voluntarily submitted,
— admitted to being grossly underreported,
— admitted to be running 3-4 weeks behind being up-to-date*.

* Accessed just today (via https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/datasets.html? ), here’s the current statement:
Last updated: June 11, 2021.
* Data contains VAERS reports processed as of 6/4/2021 )”

Reply to  Bryan A
June 15, 2021 4:36 am

I find it amusing how you divide 226 by 160 and get one, but every other number you mention is evangelically accurate, straight from the Gospel of St. Baal Gates as disseminated by his Holey Profit, Antonchrist Frauci.
You sure has some heads for numbers, bro’…

Desert Bob
Reply to  Bryan A
June 15, 2021 9:13 am

How do you know that there are only 226 cases? With the suppression of adverse reports by the media, that could easily be off by a factor of 10, 100, or 1,000; especially if there are many cases that don’t require hospitalization.

I know a 93 year old who may have had myocarditis 2 weeks after her first jab. There was evidence of heart damage based on blood enzymes but it was chalked up to some sort of heart attack though there were no other signs or symptoms of a heart attack – in fact, the medical personnel who attended her were initially puzzled by her signs and symptoms.

It put her in a nursing home for a month after her hospital stay. Without public knowledge that myocarditis is a side effect of the vaccine, no one is looking for the connection. There could be thousands or tens of thousands of cases, each being called a fluke, a coincidence, a one-off. With public notice that myocarditis is a possible side effect, we may see a big increase in reports of myocarditis.

Did she have a COVID vaccine reaction? No one knows and it has not been reported to VARES. The money question for her is: should she get the second jab? It could be fatal. Maybe a 50% or 90% probability of being fatal. That’s worse than her odds with the disease.

There are rumors of nursing homes having higher than usual fatality rates after giving residents a COVID vaccine. Did those events actually occur? If they did, are they anything unusual or a mere statistical fluctuation? I’d sure like to know.

With the full-court press that is suppression of adverse reports in the media and the it’s difficult to make an informed decision.

TonyG
Reply to  Desert Bob
June 16, 2021 6:50 am

“There are rumors of nursing homes having higher than usual fatality rates after giving residents a COVID vaccine. Did those events actually occur? If they did, are they anything unusual or a mere statistical fluctuation? I’d sure like to know.”

As has been noted several times, VAERS is showing a massive increase in reports of adverse effects since the introduction of the Covid vaccines. Many are saying it’s because so many people are self-reporting, which hasn’t happened before.

That could very well be the case, but it seems to me that anomalous reporting like this should at least warrant a serious investigation.

Paul Jackson
Reply to  Desert Bob
June 16, 2021 11:25 am

I enrolled in the CDC’s V-Safe program after getting my first Moderna injection, last I heard from them as after I reported leg swelling after the second shot.
Most likely the swelling is co-incidental, but I suspect the CDC’s reaction isn’t. My suspicion is there is no side-effect that you would get from the vaccine that you wouldn’t be as likely to get from the virus, but if you want medical advice, talk to your personal Doctor, not some TV Clown-Doctor bureaucrat.

James
Reply to  Bryan A
June 15, 2021 9:25 am

Was there any vaccine granted for mass vaccination in human history when more than 100 people died the same day of receiving a vaccination?

ironargonaut
Reply to  James
June 16, 2021 11:28 pm

That is easy to figure out. Yearly death rate US. Death rate: 869.7 deaths per 100,000 population. Divide 869 by 365 equals 2.38 by day per 100,000 so to get 100 people to die on same day as vaccine you would only need to inoculate 50 X 100,000 or 5million people. Since a larger number then that get the flu vaccine every year your answer is YES!

Reply to  Wayne Townsend
June 14, 2021 10:38 pm

How are you going to limit the spread of a virus if you have left 50% of the population out?

Vaccination isn’t there to protect you, it’s there to protect the rest of society from you.

It’s called ‘unselfishness’

Ruleo
Reply to  Leo Smith
June 14, 2021 10:50 pm

Then stay home in a bubble.

Your fear and ridiculous scolios-level twisting that vaccines protect others not yourself, ends immediately where my freedoms begin.

Simon
Reply to  Ruleo
June 16, 2021 12:17 pm

Your freedoms are not worth the lives of others. Selfishness is no excuse.

Streetcred
Reply to  Leo Smith
June 14, 2021 10:53 pm

Oh contraire … if the ‘rest of society’ is vaccinated then they clearly don’t need protection from the selfish ones as they already have protection.
PS … I’ve had the AstraZeneca jab.

Alex
Reply to  Streetcred
June 14, 2021 11:31 pm

Astra? Then probably you have no protection

Alex
Reply to  Leo Smith
June 14, 2021 11:30 pm

Right. Eliminate all unvaccinated and you are well off!

icisil
Reply to  Leo Smith
June 15, 2021 3:29 am

This kind of reasoning is called stuck on stupid.

Reply to  Leo Smith
June 15, 2021 4:39 am

…and if you are “fully vaccinated” but still fear the “pathogen”, is it called ‘stupidity’, or are you just showing doubt in your new religion? Doubt and faith do not match, pick your shovel…

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  Leo Smith
June 15, 2021 8:33 am

The solution has been around for a year but too many still have TDS:
I again post the peer-reviewed report on Ivermectin showing its efficacy:
Here is a study that was just released:
Review of the Emerging Evidence Demonstrating the Efficacy of Ivermectin in the Prophylaxis and Treatment of COVID-19
It is here for the reading:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/

Conclusion:
In summary, based on the totality of the trials and epidemiologic evidence presented in this review along with the preliminary findings of the Unitaid/WHO meta-analysis of treatment RCTs and the guideline recommendation from the international BIRD conference, ivermectin should be globally and systematically deployed in the prevention and treatment of COVID-19.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Gerald Machnee
June 17, 2021 5:16 am

https://www.thedesertreview.com/news/national/ivermectin-obliterates-97-percent-of-delhi-cases/article_6a3be6b2-c31f-11eb-836d-2722d2325a08.html

“A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive – period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graph symbolizes the victory of reason over corruption, good over evil, and right over wrong. It is as significant as David’s victory over Goliath. It is an absolute vindication of Ivermectin and early outpatient treatment. It is a clear refutation of the WHO, FDA, NIH, and CDC’s policies of “wait at home until you turn blue” before you get treatment.”

And what do we get from the American Medical Association? Answer: Silence. What does this result in? Unnecessary deaths and health complications.

It is a Huge Scandal. Maybe one of the biggest in History.

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Tom Abbott
Reply to  Tom Abbott
June 18, 2021 4:02 am

I should add that Pfizer says they have a new therapeutic, in pill form, that they claim can stop the Wuhan virus and any other corona virus dead in its tracks.

Pfizer says they think this new medication will be available by the end of this year.

In the meantime, there are a dozen or more therapuetics that show effectiveness against the Wuhan virus.

We should be using these alternatives as much as possible. Do NOT let the Wuhan virus run its course in your body. Treat it as soon as possible and shorten its stay in your body. This gives you the best chance for a successful outcome.

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Jeffery P
Reply to  Leo Smith
June 15, 2021 8:46 am

Herd immunity comes from both vaccines and prior infection. Insisting on healthy, low-risk people getting vaccinated is called foolishness.

Mark
Reply to  Leo Smith
June 15, 2021 9:29 am
niceguy
Reply to  Leo Smith
June 15, 2021 10:06 am

Vaccination isn’t there to protect you, it’s there to protect the rest of society from you.

What you just wrote violates every single medical norm and law.

Richard Page
Reply to  Wayne Townsend
June 15, 2021 8:33 am

It’s interesting to see how the comments are playing out on this subject – still a lot of strong feelings about this. You should always take into account the risks and hazards of taking a course of action. Having said that, the original strain of the virus was infecting more of the older age groups but the recent variants seem to be targeting the younger age groups – just goes to show how the data changes over time.
Plus, as far as side-effects go, most of them really aren’t that much. I’ve had both Pfizer vaccinations and had a mild fluey feeling and a pain in the arm that I only needed to take 1 lot of paracetamol for – had a mild ache there for a day or so the first time and about 4 days the second. How on earth anyone can inflate that to being out for 3 days I just can’t imagine – unless it’s a way of ‘pulling a sicky’ from work! Bunch of malingerers and shirkers, perhaps? Those people who have had serious side effects from these vaccinations must be sickened when they come across stories like that.

Reply to  Wayne Townsend
June 15, 2021 9:52 am

I agree with you Wayne – but I would say it is “all risk, no reward”, especially for kids 12 to 18 who are the current target of government drug-pushers here in Alberta and elsewhere. For the record, I have advised our government that they are criminally negligent and a criminal case is being prepared against them.
 
I’ve done a man-year of research on Covid-19 and my predictive track record is excellent – infinitely better than the Covid-alarmists who to date have been wrong about everything.
 
There was never any justification for the Covid-19 lockdowns, as I published way back on 21&22March2020. Nailed it 15 months ago.
 
Here is another expert opinion that the 1Q2020 Covid-19 lockdowns were NOT justified.
 
Asymptomatic COVID spread used to shut down the economy and close schools was false
by aletho
By Paul Elias Alexander, PhD | Trial Site News | June 14, 2021

Following is a long video interview with Dr Mike Yeadon, former CSO and VP of Pfizer.
I published virtually all the same conclusions many months ago, based on available uncorrupted data. The hard part was finding data that was  uncorrupted – there is a mountain of Covid-19 fraud in the literature – fraudulent wrong numbers.
 
DR. MIKE YEADON EXPOSES POSSIBLE COVID FRAUD
Former Chief Scientific Officer of Pfizer
Video: https://thehighwire.com/videos/episode-219-in-harms-way/
Recorded June 10, 2021
Dr Mike Yeadon starts at 1hour:30:00minutes = 1:30:00
 
CONTRARY TO GOVERNMENT AND MASS MEDIA PROPAGANDA:
       
Covid-19 is not significantly more dangerous than a typical seasonal flu.
 
Covid-19 is typically dangerous only to the very elderly.
 
The lockdowns were not justified and were harmful.
 
There are effective treatments for Covid-19, including early treatment with hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin.
 
These treatments were vilified, and the failure to use these early treatments cost lives.
 
PCR test not a good test for diagnosing Covid-19, and gives many false positives since it is being used with too many amplification cycles.
 
People with no symptoms were not carriers, asymptomatic transmission was another big lie.
 
The wearing of masks was not necessary or effective.
 
Transmission of Covid-19 occurred care homes, hospitals and other places where the elderly are confined – not outdoors, etc.
 
Natural immunity to Covid-19 from those who had the illness is very strong and long-lived.
 
People who were infected with the Sars-Cov-1 virus seventeen years ago are still immune to Sars-Cov-2 (Covid-19).
 
The variants are not significantly different from the original Sars-Cov-2 virus – those who had the original Covid-19 illness are immune to the variants.
 
The Covid-19 “vaccines” were known to cause blood clots, based on previous research.
 
It is reckless to give the Covid-19 injections to pregnant women.
Polyethylene glycol, which is included in the “vaccines”, causes dangerous anaphylactic shock in some people.
Lying about these facts is widespread in government and the media.
__________
 
My comments:
 
There was no significant deadly Covid-19 “epidemic” in the USA, Alberta or Canada to mid-2020, and no justification for the panic, the lockdowns of the workforce and students, and the destruction of our economies – just as I correctly published more than one year ago, on 21&22 March 2020:
 
21March2020 – Allan MacRae
LET’S CONSIDER AN ALTERNATIVE APPROACH: Isolate people over sixty-five and those with poor immune systems and return to business-as-usual for people under sixty-five. This will allow “herd immunity” to develop much sooner and older people will thus be more protected AND THE ECONOMY WON’T CRASH.

22March2020 – Allan MacRae
This full-lockdown scenario is especially hurting service sector businesses and their minimum-wage employees – young people are telling me they are “financially under the bus”. The young are being destroyed to protect us over-65’s. A far better solution is to get them back to work and let us oldies keep our distance, and get “herd immunity” established ASAP – in months not years. Then we will all be safe again.…
 
All we really needed to do was over-protect the very elderly and infirm – the high-risk population – which we failed to adequately do. What a debacle!

The evidence of serious criminal activity is overwhelming.
_______________________

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
June 16, 2021 7:28 pm

UK HEALTH MINISTER DICK HANDCOCK: “WE HAVE NO DUTY OF CARE AT ALL TO VACCINE REFUSENIKS!” 
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Sent: June-16-21 10:39 AM
Subject: Hancock: “We Have No Duty Of Care At All To Vaccine Refuseniks!”
 
Speaking in the House of Commons this afternoon, Health Secretary Matt Hancock suggested that people who refuse a covid-19 jab, will be refused treatment on the NHS. Hancock was responding to a question from Tory MP” 

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Hancock: “We Have No Duty Of Care At All To Vaccine Refuseniks!”

by aletho

By Richie Allen | June 16, 2021

Speaking in the House of Commons this afternoon, Health Secretary Matt Hancock suggested that people who refuse a covid-19 jab, will be refused treatment on the NHS.

Hancock was responding to a question from Tory MP Liam Fox about the vaccine status of those currently receiving hospital treatment for the so-called Delta variant.

Hancock said:

“I think that there is a material difference between the states responsibility to offer the vaccine to all adults and the duty that we have when somebody has not been offered the vaccine is greater than the duty we have when we have offered a vaccine but somebody has chosen not to take it up. And there is a material difference between those two situations.”

Hancock’s colleague Andrea Leadsom interjected and said:

“Can I take (it) one step further? If I choose not to say, not to have a yellow fever jab when I am going to a place that suffers yellow fever, the government of the United Kingdom takes no interest whatsoever in my illness status. So when my right honourable friend says that he has less of a duty, surely what he means is that he has no duty at all. It is for people to take up the vaccine.”

Hancock replied:

“Up to a point and the point is should you take that as an absolute principle, then there is a challenge, should there be an overwhelming demand on the NHS that would impact on others. And of course with a communicable disease, there is an impact on others in terms of spreading the disease so we do have to have an eye to that.

That’s why I phrased it as I did. But in terms of the argument that my right honourable friend is putting, I think she and I concur in the broad thrust of the case being made.”

Nobody in the chamber batted an eyelid. The Secretary of State for Health said that those who refuse a covid-19 vaccine, might be left to die if they contract a respiratory infection and the NHS is otherwise engaged, presumably treating those with vaccine injuries. Welcome to dystopia.

   

On Jun 16, 2021, at 11:12, Allan MacRae wrote to his physician friends:
 
What was that doctors’ thingee again – the Hyppopotamus Oath, or something?
 
So this Handcock prick says docs can refuse treatment? I don’t think so.
 
Regards, Allan
 
From: Dr Dave
Sent: June-16-21 12:37 PM
To: Allan MacRae
Subject: Re: Hancock: “We Have No Duty Of Care At All To Vaccine Refuseniks!”
 
Puh-lease! Hancock is not a doctor, he’s a politician. I think the only oath they take is to cover each other‘s asses. And he’s dead wrong about the health system not caring for people who didn’t take precautions… All the time we look after people who did not wear a seatbelt or a helmet while bicycling, of which one of my friends makes a habit of… [ouch!]
 
Generally, the more severe injury suffered due to lack of precautions is punishment enough for the hapless patient. The example he used is also not good, because the risk benefit ratio of the vaccine is nowhere near as clear as say wearing a seatbelt.
 
Allan again:

Exactly Dr Dave! 
 
This Handcock pr!ck ejaculated “WE HAVE NO DUTY OF CARE AT ALL TO VACCINE REFUSENIKS!”. Totally false!
 
Handcock is just trying to create more panic among the idiots – a wolf stampeding the sheep – and nobody in the House of Commons contradicted him!
 
Best, Allan.

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
June 17, 2021 1:45 am

Finally, some rare common sense from the UK. Finally!

Do NOT give your children any of these Covid-19 injections – that is the safest path at this time. The probability of under-18’s dying of Covid-19 is one in a million. The probability of serious complications from the injections is higher and we still don’t know the final stats on the injections – I say it will get much worse. Based on current information, the injections are dangerous – DON’T INJECT YOUR CHILDREN.

UK ADVISORY BODY ‘NOT RECOMMENDING’ CCP VIRUS VACCINES FOR CHILDREN: MINISTER
By Lily Zhou
June 16, 2021 Updated: June 16, 2021
https://www.theepochtimes.com/uk-advisory-body-not-recommending-ccp-virus-vaccines-for-children-minister_3723689.html

The UK’s official advisory body on vaccines will not recommend the government extend its CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus vaccination programme to under-18s, a cabinet minister said on Wednesday.
Asked about the issue of vaccinating children against COVID-19 on the BBC’s “Breakfast” programme, International Trade Secretary Liz Truss said that “the government will look very closely at the JCVI’s recommendations,” referring to the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation.
“It is my understanding that they are not recommending the vaccination of under-18s and we will be saying more in due course about that,” she said.
The UK’s medicines regulator, the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA), has approved the Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine for use among children aged 12 and over in the UK.
When asked on Monday if the government was planning to vaccinate children, government chief medical officer Chris Whitty said that “you wouldn’t want to vaccinate [children] unless the vaccine is very safe. And vaccines are now being licensed in some countries, and we’re accruing safety data on the safety of these vaccines in children.”
He added that “there are two possible reasons you would want to vaccinate children, potentially, but with caution.”
One of them is if the child is at high risk of serious harm if they contract COVID-19, Whitty said, adding that he believes JCVI will be bringing forward advice on which groups they think are at “particularly high risk” of getting severe COVID-19.
“And those children specifically should be vaccinated,” he said.
“But the wider question is around also the effect on children’s, particularly, education,” Whitty added, implying vaccinating children would help prevent their education being disrupted.
Calum Semple, a member of the government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies, told BBC Radio 4’s “Today” programme that the risk of children dying from COVID-19 is “one in a million.”
“We know in wave one and wave two put together there were 12 deaths in children—in England, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland put together—and that is rare because there are about 13 to 14 million children in the UK,” the child health and outbreak medicine professor said.
Semple said that vaccinating children is “something that we do so happily for flu, but actually, flu does make some very young children very sick too.”
France said on Tuesday that children as young as 12 are invited to get vaccinated, and the United States started doing so from mid-May.
The Commission on Human Medicines, a public body that advises the UK government on medicinal products, said more than 2,000 children were involved in a clinical trial to determine the safety of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine.

My comment to date:
Those authorities who are promoting the injections for minors do not have adequate data at this time to make that conclusion – they are grossly, probably criminally negligent.

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Carlo, Monte
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
June 17, 2021 7:05 am

Fauci & Co. are guilty of war crimes of violating the international biological weapons treaty.

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
June 19, 2021 4:47 pm

IMPORTANT – COPIES TO ANTHONY AND CHARLES

https://joannenova.com.au/2021/06/rumor-top-chinese-secret-service-man-defected-says-covid-was-military-bioweapon/#comment-2435957

Hi Jo and thank you for this post.
https://joannenova.com.au/2021/06/rumor-top-chinese-secret-service-man-defected-says-covid-was-military-bioweapon/

REPEATING FROM MY FIRST EMAIL TO YOU – I CONCLUDED THE COVID-19 DID NOT JUMP – IT WAS PUSHED.

Nailed it again.

Regards, Allan

From: Allan MacRae
Sent: June-16-21 8:24 AM
To: Jo Nova
Subject: RE: How to tell what’s true?
[excerpt]

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/06/13/betrayers-of-the-truth/#comment-3269058

The gross mismanagement of the false Covid-19 pandemic since January 2020 cannot be simply ascribed to gross incompetence by government and health authorities.

I knew about the Dr Fauci involvement about one year ago – he originated the gain-of-function virus research and offshored it to Wuhan when it was declared illegal in the USA. But the lockdown scam is global-scale – much bigger than just Dr Fauci.

A year ago I concluded that the Covid-19 virus originated from the Wuhan lab and not at the wet market. The only question then was “did the virus jump from the Wuhan lab, or was it pushed?”

BASED ON ALL THE DYSTOPIAN EVENTS SINCE THEN, THE RATIONAL CONCLUSION IS THAT THE VIRUS DID NOT ESCAPE, BUT WAS PUSHED OUT OF THE LAB – DELIBERATELY RELEASED FOR POLITICAL AND FINANCIAL GAIN.
___________

John Tillman
June 14, 2021 6:19 pm

People who’ve had COVID shouldn’t get vaccinated. Test for antibodies first.

Not just the mRNA vaccines but at least some vector vax, ie AZN’s and JNJ’s, have rare cardiovascular side effects, especially in women under 50.

OTOH, the old-fashioned Chinese SinoVac shot is barely effective. The other vector vax, ie Russian Sputnik and Chinese-Canadian CanSino, probably show these effects as well.

It appears that viral debris, to include the spike protein, can produce various side effects as well, accounting for the instances of long haul syndrome.

Remarkably, clinical studies have found that antiparasitical drug ivermectin, shown to have antiviral activity against at least positive sense, single-stranded RNA viruses and some DNA, can prevent COVID, treat it on out patient and in patient bases and alleviate long haul syndrome. Among its actions is binding to the spike protein.

That said, were I in the US, I’d opt for JNJ, since it’s a single dose shot.

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Spetzer86
Reply to  John Tillman
June 14, 2021 6:55 pm

Ivermectin could also help with feed efficiency and decrease the impact of fleas, ticks, and other parasites. You might want to take a heartworm test first, just in case.

Actually, ivermectin and moxidectin have been used by WHO to treat River Blindness in humans and should be relatively safe at the approved dosage range, but neither compound should just be played with as there are potential toxicities.

Streetcred
Reply to  Spetzer86
June 14, 2021 10:55 pm

I don’t understand then why the vermin of the left don’t want Ivermectin … seems perfect for them !

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Gerald Machnee
Reply to  Streetcred
June 15, 2021 8:35 am

Its called BIg Pharma. Ivermectin is off the patent and is very cheap so they do not make money. Vaccines have made a bunch more billionaires. How many CDC people get money from the vaccines?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Gerald Machnee
June 17, 2021 5:25 am

I believe you are correct, Big Pharma is the problem. They make lots of money on vaccines and on expensive treatments like Remdisivir and don’t make any money off Ivermectin or hydroxychloriquine.

Sadly, I think it is as simple as that.

DaveW
Reply to  Spetzer86
June 14, 2021 11:04 pm

I have no idea about moxidectin, but ivermectin is very widely used (4 billion doses have been taken since 1992 with very low levels of side effects and only a couple of dozen associated deaths – probably more to do with the parasitic worms that were killed than the ivermectin). Ivermectin won’t repel fleas and ticks, but it may kill them if they bite you. It has been used to against scabies and head lice. An ‘incidental’ effect of using ivermectin for parasite control has been improved malaria control seemingly from mosquitocidal effects.

The amount of evidence indicating that ivermectin is an excellent prophylactic and early treatment for covid seems overwhelming, but in the Anglosphere it is still not recommended and often is actually banned. I can’t get it in Australia. This seems to be due to the nefarious interference of pharmaceutical companies trying to protect their vaccines and preventatives under development – and of course, our corrupt public health bodies.

This comment is ‘Awaiting for approval’ and I wonder why and also question the English?

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ozspeaksup
Reply to  DaveW
June 15, 2021 3:53 am

stock agents you ask for injectable Ivomec cattle product
take 2ml for every 100kg body weight
just use needle syringe to extract then add it to water or juice to drink it
Im taking 1.5ml for 3 days once every 3 mths
no side effects
plaquenil given for my RA yrs ago nearly blinded me in 22 days and left me with tinnitus:-((

TonyG
Reply to  DaveW
June 15, 2021 9:38 am

In the email updates, “…comment has been posted by the DaveW”, so it seems likely the folk who wrote a lot of this code are not native English speakers.

You were flagged because your post contained the word “k!ll”.

DaveW
Reply to  TonyG
June 15, 2021 2:10 pm

Thanks TonyG. I’d just gotten used to not being able to use our genus name (you know, the H word) in Disqus. Even the Deteriorata was not fully able to encompass the absurdity of our future.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  DaveW
June 17, 2021 5:28 am

“This comment is ‘Awaiting for approval’ and I wonder why”

You used the k-word: k!lling.

Substituting a “!” for the “i” will keep it out of moderation.

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ozspeaksup
Reply to  Spetzer86
June 15, 2021 3:50 am

its damned hard to take too much ivermectin
data I read for the LD50 ended up being around 1,000mg per kg bodyweight. if you took the oral version youd be throwing up well before you got there. and pills at 12.5mg each would take serious effort to do too

gringojay
Reply to  John Tillman
June 14, 2021 7:02 pm

Prevent a virus, or do you mean ameliorate once infected?

Scissor
Reply to  John Tillman
June 14, 2021 7:16 pm

Exactly right, John T. and where did all the drive to test disappear to?

JNJ is probably a good choice especially if one has O+ type blood as the propensity for clotting is reduced.

ironargonaut
Reply to  John Tillman
June 15, 2021 1:52 am

Apparently you haven’t read the real world study from Brazil where 75% of a town was vaccinated and cases dropped tremendously. That was the sinovac vaccine.

Reply to  ironargonaut
June 15, 2021 4:50 am

Apparently you haven’t read the real world study from planet Earth, where “cases” drop drastically wherever the PCR (it’s not a test!) multiplication cycles are stopped FOR THE VACCINATED, before the test can pick up the gene sequence contained in genome #8 of all humans, the one that looks just like the computer-generated sequence published as “uniquely covid”. The unvaccinated still get PCR “tested” until that false positive appears.
That is for any “approved” (no they’re not) (genetic manipulators masquerading as)vaccines wherever your government is taking part in this Bolshevik frackfest.

ironargonaut
Reply to  paranoid goy
June 16, 2021 11:42 pm

Put words in others mouths much? What the F do PCR tests have to do with less dead bodies? Deaths dropped. Look it up before you start spouting BS.

Eric Vieira
Reply to  John Tillman
June 15, 2021 3:49 am

Vector vaxes are also mRNA vaccines. They just use viruses as the vector instead of nano-particles. In the end, it’s the same story: The payload goes into cells of the vasculature where the circulation is slow (e.g. venous capillaries). These cells start to produce spike protein and get attacked by the body’s immune system which leads to thrombosis. Where this happens in the body is Russian roulette…

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Eric Vieira
June 17, 2021 5:33 am

“Where this happens in the body is Russian roulette…”

That is what it looks like.

TonyG
Reply to  John Tillman
June 15, 2021 9:34 am

“Test for antibodies first.”

From what I’ve read, the antibodies only show up in a test for a few months afterward. Doesn’t mean immunity goes away, just that you won’t see the antibodies if you test for them after that.

I absolutely agree with your first sentence.

Reply to  TonyG
June 15, 2021 3:05 pm

There are studies of infected people a year ago, tested several times ’til know taking probes out of the marrow proving an at least one year immunity.

TonyG
Reply to  Krishna Gans
June 15, 2021 3:50 pm

Krishna – isn’t that T-cell?

I don’t doubt the immunity, it’s just that I recall reading that the antibodies don’t show up in tests after a few months.

Reply to  TonyG
June 16, 2021 8:33 am

Right, after verified 11 month the immunity for COV-19 is still present and able to produce T-cells.
Nevertheless, “authorities” demand vaccinations, and to be seen as healed ends after 6 month. That’s crazy !

Richard Page
Reply to  John Tillman
June 15, 2021 3:20 pm

The clinical trials involving Ivermectin were small and had mixed results. The best results appear to have been at higher doses than are usually prescribed, meaning side effects would be greatly increased. However, at normal doses, it didn’t prevent covid infections but did reduce recovery time and reduce incidences/severity of acute respiratory problems. You pays yer money and makes yer choice.

Ron Long
June 14, 2021 6:19 pm

Eric, good and timely report. So, 226 heart inflammation cases being reviewed, out of 130 million? That’s 1 in every 575,000, give or take a few. Searching for heart inflammation rates related to common flu vaccination suggests a rare to not common rate, something like the Covid vaccine. Better to be cautious, but scaring some sector of the population into not getting the vaccines is not advisable.

Scissor
Reply to  Ron Long
June 14, 2021 7:25 pm

The deaths are piling up too, just not being reported. In Colorado, we’ve had a hand full of young people passing away shortly after vaccination, most within a week. For example, a 15 year old boy that was seemingly healthy died of a heart attack two days after the Pfizer jab.

Reply to  Scissor
June 14, 2021 10:39 pm

Dont tell me, someone kneeled on his neck.

StevenF
Reply to  Scissor
June 14, 2021 10:42 pm

That is interesting. I hadn’t heard anything about that and I tend to see everything that crosses the wire on COVID. But maybe I missed that 15 yr old death and the handful of you people dying in Colorado. Do you have any documentation that supports those events?

Ruleo
Reply to  StevenF
June 14, 2021 10:52 pm

Spend one day on Patriots.win

Hundreds of documentation and citations.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Ruleo
June 15, 2021 2:44 am

Is Operation Warp Speed a Trump success or not?

Based on some comments here, it sounds like the nefarious Anthony Fauci tricked Trump into backing the k!ller jab, the Fauxi Final Solution?

I’ve been fully-vaccinated since early April (Pfizer). Not dead yet. (Just pinin’ for the fjords)

n.n
Reply to  Rich Davis
June 15, 2021 5:57 am

The vaccines may offer a value proposition based on your risk profile. The same as any toxic, possibly pathogenic, product. A large minority, perhaps majority, have preexisting or naturally developed immunity. Ideally, there would be individual assessments of risk and benefit.

Rich Davis
Reply to  n.n
June 15, 2021 8:49 am

Perfect is the enemy of the good.

How much debt are we piling up with free covid tests and free vaccines and extended/expanded unemployment driven by unreasonable lockdowns when it’s not all that certain that covid-19 is a serious risk for most people? Not to mention bogus stimulus and “infrastructure” spending bills.

Do we also need to pay for everyone to get a test to check for immunity and a battery of tests to check for risk factors? Have we lost all sense of proportion? And all tolerance of risk?

Maybe I was reckless to get vaccinated. But I think partly I did it to help take away the excuse that we need to keep wearing face diapers. Sure the nut jobs will claim that because the vaccine may fail 5-10% of the time, we can never unmask, but not enough people are going to buy that nonsense. (I hope)

Where does service to your fellow man enter into the equation? A tiny risk that collectively pushes us over the line to herd immunity seems reasonable to me even if I recognize that maybe the risk of the disease was never close to what it was hyped up about. If we don’t follow through then those who don’t want a good crisis to go to waste will be empowered to keep the assault on liberty going.

Scissor
Reply to  StevenF
June 15, 2021 7:17 am

He’s CDC VAERS patient ID 1242573. There is speculation that he was part of the Pfizer trial but this is speculative.

There used to be more information in the data base but it is subject to review and revision. Here is a news piece.

https://kdvr.com/news/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccine/unverified-report-claims-15-year-old-colorado-boy-died-after-getting-vaccine/

StevenF
Reply to  Scissor
June 15, 2021 12:06 pm

I did find the VAERS citation. Unfortunately there is not enough information to know what to think. Without seeing the actual case history or a review of the case history it is hard to know what to think. Based on his age, it likely was part of a trial for kids given that this occurred before the lowering of the vaccination age.

I’ll have to see if I can find more information regarding this particular case.

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  StevenF
June 15, 2021 8:47 am

The media, medics and politicians are not being public about the negative information.

Simon
Reply to  StevenF
June 15, 2021 12:42 pm

But maybe I missed that 15 yr old death…”
Yes I’d like to see the reference for that?

DonM
Reply to  Simon
June 15, 2021 6:00 pm

then go find it, ya nit

Simon
Reply to  DonM
June 16, 2021 12:19 pm

OK let’s speak plainly. It’s BS.

icisil
Reply to  Scissor
June 15, 2021 3:34 am

Piling up indeed. There have been more deaths reported to VAERS in only 6 months than for all vaccines combined in the past 29 years.

Ian
Reply to  icisil
June 16, 2021 10:21 am

And serious side effects like heart attacks, neurological symptoms (paralysis), and miscarriage are far more likely by VAERS (which is an underestimate!!). The number of reported deaths went above 5000 in VAERS 2 weeks ago. That is 20 times higher than the reported death rate per vaccination than the flu vaccine. It is 0.0017% (17 ppm). It is terrifying that this has not resulted in testing of people before vaccination for immunity. This is at least needless deaths.

Ian in Vancouver

Billy
Reply to  Ron Long
June 14, 2021 7:58 pm

Ron Long
The inflamation cases are occuring in a small cohort of the total vaxed. Young males are about 5% of the total, so your analysis is faulty and dishonest.

Reply to  Billy
June 15, 2021 4:57 am

What is the usual death toll amongst teens, then? Also, precisely how many needles into what demographic? If a hundred million older people got poisoned, and only a million teens, then teen cases showing up as 5% is a lot.
So, then, stating a vague, unsupported number like 5% is, what was that? “…your analysis is faulty and dishonest….”
But kudos on noticing the speck in thine brother’s eye.

Sunshine
Reply to  Ron Long
June 14, 2021 8:54 pm

I was just listening to a Dr. Charles Hoff who works in a small community in British Colombia. He wrote an open letter to the province’s chief medical officer about the alarming number of adverse effects he has seen in his patients. Of note, life-altering complications are 1 for every 225 and out of 900 people, one death.

He says the form doctors must fill out to report an adverse effect is nine pages long. Thus he figures most doctors won’t report adverse effects, too time-consuming.

Because of the open letter, he has been barred from working in the ER and he is now under a gag order. Other doctors also are speaking out.

I am certain the higher-ups are fudging the numbers re complications post-shot.

So for me, it’s IVERMECTIN. I have a bottle on hand in case symptoms show up.

RayB
Reply to  Sunshine
June 14, 2021 10:20 pm

 Of note, life-altering complications are 1 for every 225 and out of 900 people, one death.”

They have recalled or banned a lot of products for less than that. What is so different now?

Ruleo
Reply to  RayB
June 14, 2021 10:53 pm

Narratives and $$$

ironargonaut
Reply to  Sunshine
June 15, 2021 2:02 am

If he is gagged how did you hear him? My first clue to a tall tale is that it is a “secret” report etc but somehow it is “common” knowledge. So in other words it can’t be disproved

Rich Davis
Reply to  ironargonaut
June 15, 2021 2:50 am

Read it now before it gets taken down! “They” are furious that this got out!

Reply to  ironargonaut
June 15, 2021 5:02 am

Ooh, we got us a new troll.
Have you considered that the guy was gagged after he rapped off at the mouth?
But hey, no arguments here, you are obviously way more clever than me, who couldn’t even see that reference to “…it is a “secret” report etc…”
Who did you hear that from? Who told you? Do they know you are here? Did someone follow you here? Who ARE you?
You with your secret sources…

ironargonaut
Reply to  paranoid goy
June 16, 2021 11:55 pm

So show me a link to the letter? Since, all you seem to have is ad hominems. Which is usually what trolls do… Yes, I am a sceptic not going to apologize for it either.

Reply to  ironargonaut
June 17, 2021 12:49 am

I was not talking about the doctor guy, I was pointing out the logical inconsistency of your argument, and your fabrication of evidence.
I am always glad to meet skeptics, that’s how one learns, but maybe you should be less defensive and more introspective.
Ponder on the meaning of ‘Doublethink’, it is your greatest enemy.
For now, it looks like you are being paid to be abrasive.

Uffe
Reply to  Ron Long
June 15, 2021 5:01 am

Ron, how many of the 130 million were young people in the same age as the ones getting the heartinflamation?
You are compairing apples and pears, as I remember just 9% of the vaccin was for the age group thats got the side effect thats 12 million and that give one in 53000, rare but not that rare

Peter Sable
Reply to  Ron Long
June 18, 2021 8:54 pm

To put the Rona in perspective, less than 900 people ages 0-24 died in 2020 when associated with a positive PCR test. That’s out of 100M young ones in the population, and increase of 1% of the overall death rate for that young age group. (see latest CDC 2020 mortality report)

Contrast that to the 10% increase in death rate for 65 and over. Those folks should get the vaccine. I would if I was that old.

Then realize that there were far more than 850 additional suicides amongst the young last year and another order magnitude more additional drug overdose deaths in 2020.

The young have had hell inflicted on them by old people’s fear of death.

Don’t add an unnecessary (for them) vaccine to the their hell.

Derg
June 14, 2021 6:22 pm

What I think vaccine pushers need to answer is WHY this happens to some people.

In my case, I stopped getting the flu vaccine after the 3rd time of getting the shot and taking 3 days off work to recover. Why does this happen? I will take a chance contracting the flu over the side affects from the vaccine.

Scissor
Reply to  Derg
June 14, 2021 7:49 pm

There definitely needs to be more done to figure out the relevant risk factors for vaccine injury.

In one family in Utah, the vaccination nearly killed a father and his 17 year old son due to blood clotting. Neither are in the clear yet. The father will likely lose part of one lung and the son currently has two blood clots within his brain.

mario lento
Reply to  Derg
June 14, 2021 9:00 pm

That is a very good common sense statement that no one seems to consider.

Bryan A
Reply to  mario lento
June 14, 2021 10:13 pm

Absolutely…
Some people shouldn’t get the Flu vaccine especially those who’ve had adverse reactions
Personally I have had the Flu vaccine yearly since 1990 with nothing more than a sore injection site.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  mario lento
June 15, 2021 6:05 am

First, do no harm…

Adam Gallon
Reply to  Derg
June 14, 2021 10:10 pm

Get flu & you’ll be having a lot more than 3 days off work.

Derg
Reply to  Adam Gallon
June 14, 2021 10:24 pm

I did and it was 4 days.

Why do some people have severe reactions and in some cases death from vaccines?

Ruleo
Reply to  Adam Gallon
June 14, 2021 10:55 pm

I am now 20 years without a flu vaccine.

Never had the flu.

And I have worked years in shared-cubicle call centers. As bad as a preschool in virulence environment.

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  Ruleo
June 15, 2021 8:52 am

Just keep up the Vitamin D and C and Zinc. But the “experts” will not tell you that/ Why?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Gerald Machnee
June 17, 2021 5:47 am

Yes, Zinc seems to be an essential for guarding against viruses. It’s also reported to regulate blood pressure. I take Quercetin along with it, which helps the zinc get into cells. Once zinc is in the cell, a virus cannot use that cell to replicate.

Vitamin D is essential for many bodily functions. It is involved in something like 200 different bodily funtions.

Reply to  Adam Gallon
June 15, 2021 6:57 am

I never was vaccinated against flu, the max. I got were influenzal infects. Couldt live with them.

Ron
Reply to  Krishna Gans
June 15, 2021 9:16 pm

You can have the flu without knowing it. The symptoms are to similar to a common cold cause the flu doesn’t have to be really bad. It can but it doesn’t need to be. A cold virus can’t if you don’t have any immune deficiency.

ironargonaut
Reply to  Derg
June 15, 2021 2:05 am

Because the CDC is too busy trying to study and claim guns deaths are a health crisis

Bill
Reply to  ironargonaut
June 15, 2021 3:20 pm

Don’t forget, the CDC also says 41,000 deaths per year are caused by “second-hand” smoke. It that’s not an extrapolation of God-knows-what nothing is. 🙂

Richard Page
Reply to  Derg
June 15, 2021 3:40 pm

The thing you have to remember is that all drugs work on the ‘one size fits all’ principle – that is that they work the same way for the average majority of people. Unfortunately, people’s bodies are different – different cocktails of hormones, blood groups, trace elements, diets, etc, so that there will always be a few outliers for every drug. Nobody, not even experienced doctors or specialists, will be able to determine who is an outlier for which drug – the best they can hope to do is limit as much of the damage as they can. If you are expecting to find an effective drug that doesn’t affect outliers then you will never find one – maybe in 100 or 1000 years we can tailor a drug regimen to a specific patient but not at this time.
I speak as someone who was an outlier for one drug and suffered a side effect that even the manufacturer didn’t know was possible.

Simon
Reply to  Andrew F
June 14, 2021 7:04 pm

An anti-vax site. Really?

Scissor
Reply to  Simon
June 14, 2021 7:34 pm

Dr. Peter McCullough is highly cited and highly credible. You might objectively consider the content of the video before denigrating it with your label.

alexei
Reply to  Simon
June 14, 2021 8:35 pm

“Factcheck” provided by Agence France Presse – part of the colluding MSM. What naiveté to believe their version of the “facts”.
Ask yourself first – Cui bono? What on earth would Dr McCollough and all the other renowned scientists warning about possible harmful side effects possibly have to gain by speaking out – other than losing their jobs?
You are clearly an unquestioning follower of the herd.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  alexei
June 14, 2021 9:11 pm

Simon has all the answers he wants. He has no need to question them or to look any further.

Simon
Reply to  alexei
June 14, 2021 9:16 pm

You don’t have to gain anything if you have a few screws loose. He may well believe he is on to something. But ask yourself this…. So far 302 million doses have been administered and not a single death has been attributed to them. In my book anyone who peddles false fear over something like these vaccines, that are undeniably saving thousands if not tens of thousands of lives, is not worthy of attention. Add to that he does not even work in the field of virology and so that makes him a fake expert.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Simon
June 14, 2021 9:49 pm

‘are undeniably saving thousands if not tens of thousands of lives’

Name one.

Richard Mann
Reply to  Simon
June 14, 2021 9:54 pm

Ask yourself this, why is a “skeptical” site (on climate) so ready to accept “conventional wisdom” on injections. The injections don’t even have full approval yet. They are “emergency use only”. Why inject otherwise healthy people with a brand new technology (mRNA)?

Simon
Reply to  Richard Mann
June 14, 2021 10:07 pm

Why inject otherwise healthy people with a brand new technology”
Huh? To stamp this damned thing out and get back to normal life. It aint going away on it’s own and the worst case scenario is it mutates again and more lives are lost. Did I really have to explain that? Hell, even Trump thinks it’s a good idea.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Simon
June 15, 2021 3:16 am

My god, Simon, good point! Maybe now you’ll reconsider. Trump supports—must be wrong! But Biden supports, must be right!

How can it be right if Trump agrees? Trump always wrong…isn’t he? Has to be, whole worldview depends on that one absolute truth, the only thing that is always true…HCQ, injecting bleach…

(Simple Simon’s head explodes)

Meanwhile across the blogosphere tin foil shrapnel flies…
Trump supports, must be right! But Dementia Zhou and Fauxi support, must. be. wrong! (Boom)

Damn inconvenient having to conform to your tribe instead of using your head for more than a hatrack.

Simon
Reply to  Rich Davis
June 15, 2021 12:49 pm

Even Trump got the occasional thing right.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
June 15, 2021 6:00 pm

Your boy Dementia Joe is getting close to the drooling stage, and Harris can’t answer a simple question without cackling.

These are great times!

Reply to  Simon
June 15, 2021 8:04 am

Weak vaccs are a base of viral mutation.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  Krishna Gans
June 15, 2021 8:53 am

that’s actually what Luc Montagnier is saying, but the hue and cry is incredible, until of course he is eventually proved right this autumn, when it all comes back with a new version which evades all the current vaccines (as I am more or less certain it will).

Simon
Reply to  Krishna Gans
June 15, 2021 12:50 pm

Weak vaccs are a base of viral mutation.”
That is about as crazy as I have ever read. Please, please provide a reference for that gem.

Reply to  Simon
June 15, 2021 2:06 pm

The internet is full about

John Endicott
Reply to  Krishna Gans
June 16, 2021 8:36 am

There’s only 3 things the internet is full of: Porn, Cat videos, and misinformation.

Simon
Reply to  John Endicott
June 16, 2021 12:22 pm

That’s funny… but you missed golfing videos to get rid of your slice.

Reply to  Simon
June 17, 2021 12:33 am

You will not believe how much information you gave away with those thirteen little words…
The alternative, that I really am paranoid, does exist.
Isn’t life cool?

Paul C
Reply to  Simon
June 16, 2021 6:38 am

The example usually given for a leaky vaccine is the case of (the normally fatal) Mareks disease in chickens. Flocks were culled to stamp out the disease. In Asia the vaccine was used because flocks were infected, but the vaccinated birds survive. The virus mutates to more virulent and deadly (to chickens) forms, and has become widespread with multiple mutations spreading globally.

GeoffM
Reply to  Simon
June 16, 2021 7:41 am

https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002198

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0114637

For Simon, here’s 2 studies that suggest that imperfect vaccination programs can lead to worse strains.

John Endicott
Reply to  Richard Mann
June 16, 2021 6:43 am

The injections don’t even have full approval yet. They are “emergency use only”.

Only until the red-tape is taken care of, both Pfizer & Moderna have recently submitted the paperwork for full approval, which will take months to work it’s way through the bureaucracy, but is seen as very likely to be granted.

Gary Vasey
Reply to  Simon
June 14, 2021 9:55 pm
goracle
Reply to  Simon
June 14, 2021 9:56 pm

no death attributed to covid vax? so, they can hide any death that may be caused by the vax but if you die from covid-like symptoms (even without a blood test) or died after testing positive during last 30 days (as in at least 1 state did) then its automatically covid??? the whole medical science community has been corrupted… it’s evil what’s happening…. I see preteen kids masked up inside stores today and its pathetic… I blame parents and schools and media for scaring these kids with so much hyped info about the lethality of covid, which other than sickly old people, kills at a rate similar to a bad flu season.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
June 15, 2021 6:08 am

Ever hear of the Hippocratic Oath, Simon the Simple Shill?

Reply to  Simon
June 15, 2021 8:02 am

Typical denier position, attac the messenger, not the message.
The message Simon can’t target on, no ability.

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  Simon
June 15, 2021 8:55 am

Not a single death? Nonsense as usual from a troll.

goracle
Reply to  Simon
June 14, 2021 9:42 pm

factckeck.org…. an anti-truth site… really????

Simon
Reply to  goracle
June 14, 2021 9:43 pm

I’ll wager they get a whole lot more right than the anti vax site above.

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Streetcred
Reply to  Simon
June 14, 2021 11:00 pm

By implication they then get a whole lot wrong as well … some ‘fact’ checker, Ha!

Rich Davis
Reply to  Simon
June 15, 2021 3:24 am

Yeah, let’s never think for ourselves. Appeal to authority, adopt the party line, conform to our tribal expectations.

goracle
Reply to  Simon
June 15, 2021 6:54 am

sorry simon, factcheck.org is slanted to the left in their “fact checking”… BTW, dr mcculluh is not an anti-vaxer… he himself has been vaccinated… the data show that the younger you are, the less likely you are to be affected by covid, so why take the shot if only 4% of all covid deaths are in those under 50 (and this is based on the official inflated covid death count)… also, you do not need 100% of population to be vaccinated since over 100 million americans and illegal aliens already caught covid naturally and have covid antibodies… anyone who says that antibodies from a vaccine are more effective than antibodies from naturally caught covid (like factcheck.org did) is an idiot and a liar who wants to spread propaganda… additionally, anyone who says that you should take the vaccine even though you recovered from covid earlier this year (like factcheck.org did) is working for pravda.

goracle
Reply to  Simon
June 15, 2021 6:11 pm

not sure about that… factcheck.org is definitely a tilts heavily left site… they’ve been wrong a number of times because of they base their “fact check” on their ideology and not truth.

regardless whether or not it’s an anti-vax site, dr mcculluh has taken the covid vaccine and is not an anti vaxxer… his credentials are impeccable. I’m not saying he can’t be wrong, only that he’s 100% correct on covid.

Fred Middleton
Reply to  goracle
June 16, 2021 5:53 am

factCheck – malarkey. Tool to re-direct…. Joe-ie goebbels would be so pleased at class room attention level.

miha
Reply to  Simon
June 14, 2021 10:28 pm

The interesting thing about factcheck and similar sites is that you can always predict their response to any cited event or observation. It will be 100% in tune with received opinion on the subject – without fail. Anyone blindly quoting their ‘facts’ needs a course in critical thinking. The cardiologist in question has published more than 1000 papers and it the most cited in the world in his field.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
June 15, 2021 6:58 am

He has 40 peer-reviewed journal publications on the Wuhan virus.

How many do you have?

Simon
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
June 15, 2021 12:53 pm

He has 40 peer-reviewed journal publications on the Wuhan virus.”:
Really?

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
June 15, 2021 4:00 pm

Yes, really.

Simon
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
June 16, 2021 12:22 pm

Reference please?

Reply to  Simon
June 15, 2021 7:33 am

Interview in English, German subs

I know a fraud, a big one, it’s called Simon.

Scissor
Reply to  Simon
June 15, 2021 8:37 am

Simon says he’s a fraud.

Dr. McCullough is a world renowned physician currently affiliated with the Texas A&M University College of Medicine. He has over 100,000 citations and over 50,000 since 2016.

His h-index is 116.

What is a Good hIndex? Hirsch reckons that after 20 years of research, an hindex of 20 is good, 40 is outstanding, and 60 is truly exceptional. In his paper, Hirsch shows that successful scientists do, indeed, have high h-indices: 84% of Nobel prize winners in physics, for example, had an hindex of at least 30.”

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  Simon
June 15, 2021 8:54 am

Factcheck is the fraud. Only people who cannot understand good science go to factcheck for their onesided opinions as opposed to research. Media are guilty of this problem too..

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Scissor
June 15, 2021 6:07 am

Was wondering if Simon the Simple Shill would put in an appearance, and here he is, spouting the MSDNC party line.

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Derg
Reply to  Simon
June 14, 2021 7:36 pm

Could be Trump Russia colluuuusion am I right Simon?

You of all people should be the last person making accusations.

Derg
Reply to  joe belford
June 14, 2021 7:56 pm

Lol…proof 😉

How much did Mueller spend ? He found nothing.

You are a clown show like Simon. Anyone with half a brain could see Trump wasn’t going to make Russia money like the Democrats and Republicans previously. Hillary was their goose just like Biden is today.

Simon
Reply to  Derg
June 14, 2021 9:46 pm

Huh? Russia didn’t want to make money from Trump. They wanted an incompetent in the White House and he was their first choice.

Derg
Reply to  Simon
June 14, 2021 10:09 pm

Simon you really are stupid. Honestly, you believe in fairy tales, so I will call you out on your BS. Remember when you were shocked to learn that Trump closed the border?

Omg, do we laugh at your stupidity.

Streetcred
Reply to  Simon
June 14, 2021 11:02 pm

They achieved their aim, Trump out and the totally incompetent half-wit Biden in … laughing stock of the world except with the terminal left.

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Simon
Reply to  Streetcred
June 14, 2021 11:22 pm

laughing stock of the world except with the terminal left.…” I think you will find the world ( Except Putin)breathed a sigh of relief when the Donald left the White House.

Chaswarnertoo
Reply to  Simon
June 15, 2021 12:04 am

Simple Simon, living up to his nickname.

Derg
Reply to  Simon
June 15, 2021 3:15 am

Merkel loves Putin and Russia’s natural gas…you are a clown show Simon. Dumb as in dumb.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
June 15, 2021 4:02 pm

Which is a non sequitur.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Simon
June 17, 2021 6:16 am

Simon presumes to speak for the world.

Barry Sheridan
Reply to  Simon
June 15, 2021 12:31 am

Surprising comment Simon. You now have a President and Vice-President, neither of whom can be considered competent. The former due to obvious dementia and latter due to inadequate ability. As for insulting Mr. Trump, he worked 12-14 hours a day for all Americans, reducing the impact of government regulation, reducing the tax burden while setting the conditions for greater numbers of jobs across America, in this he was entirely successful. If that is your interpretation of incompetence then the US needs more of it.

Simon
Reply to  Barry Sheridan
June 15, 2021 11:50 pm

He worked hard alright…. getting out of bunkers on the golf course and screwing porn stars.

Derg
Reply to  Simon
June 16, 2021 2:04 pm

But most of his policies were spot on fool.

chickenhawk
Reply to  joe belford
June 15, 2021 7:56 am

You probably won’t bother replying, but here goes.

The article states “Manafort and Kilimnik “discussed the status of the Trump Campaign and Manafort’s strategy for winning Democratic votes in Midwestern states” and that “months before that meeting, Manafort had caused internal polling data to be shared with Kilimnik“.

Perhaps someone could explain how polling data and campaign strategy during an election is dangerous to be shared. Maybe it is, but I can’t fathom yet how…

anyone with a guess. Also, what happens when American politicians travel around the world to support opposition candidates. Is that collusion or interference?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  chickenhawk
June 17, 2021 6:22 am

“Perhaps someone could explain how polling data and campaign strategy during an election is dangerous to be shared. Maybe it is, but I can’t fathom yet how…”

It is no danger at all. The radical Left is just trying to insinuate that any interaction between Trump officials and anyone in Eastern Europe has to be dishonest and criminal. This is one of the few interactions, so they focus on it. It’s nothing. Unless you have the Leftwing Media trying to make something out of it every day. Then it becomes something: A False Reality.

If they really want to uncover dishonesty and criminality in Eastern Europe, they should focus on the Biden Crime Family and their influence peddling.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Tom Abbott
June 17, 2021 7:09 am

Instead they look the other way while the alleged “president” drools his way through rare public appearances.

Reply to  Andrew F
June 15, 2021 6:59 am

Wake up, best hint to give you !

Reply to  Krishna Gans
June 15, 2021 9:40 am

Ther comment was for Simon not Andrew, sorry !

Glenn
June 14, 2021 6:42 pm

This may appear as anti-vaccer talk, but how many cases would it take before people should be worried about taking the shot(s)? For the good of millions, how many?

Scissor
Reply to  Glenn
June 14, 2021 7:12 pm

Let’s consider how much research has actually been done to study adverse reactions on these “vaccines” that are being pushed and rushed onto everyone.

Could you guess how many studies involving an autopsy of deceased vaccinated patients have been published? Could you guess how many patients such studies covered?

The answer is one and one. A little on the deficient side wouldn’t you say?

https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(21)00364-7/fulltext

StevenF
Reply to  Scissor
June 14, 2021 10:58 pm

This isn’t really study. It is a case report of an autopsy. The results are interesting. The individual received the first vaccine and was admitted to the hospital 2 weeks later with diarrhea and ultimately renal insufficiency. While in the hospital he got COVID from a roommate who had COVID and died from renal insufficiency a few days later. He only got one vaccine dose and by the time he got COVID it is likely his immune system was not able to mount an adequate immune response which is why they found the virus all over his body.

I doubt seriously that this is the only autopsy ever performed on a post vaccinated individual who died after vaccination. But it may be the only person who subsequently got COVID and died and was autopsied. I don’t know. I haven’t look at the literature.

Reply to  StevenF
June 15, 2021 5:28 am

I doubt seriously that this is the only autopsy ever performed…

I heard rumour where anyone dies of covidiocy, they wrap the body up, trachea pipes, IV’s, plasters and all, and it goes straight for “disposal” via mostly unattended funeral.
While I find it impossible to prove the non-existence of autopsies, neither can I find any records of completed autopsies.

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StevenF
Reply to  paranoid goy
June 15, 2021 12:12 pm

There have been lots of unattended funerals, which is terrible. But autopsies have been performed as appropriate.

Reply to  StevenF
June 17, 2021 12:40 am

I merely report hearsay from a friend of family that has family working in a hospital. Open gossip, if you will. But where do we find these reports, because every one openly reported, has a headline containing “the first” or “the only so far” etc. By now, we would expect the vaxxinators to be flooding us with proof.
Instead they give us propaganda and Law.

Reply to  Glenn
June 15, 2021 5:15 am

Soon, you will be invited to the Afternoon Hate, where you will learn that “we’ve always had people dying after vaccination, the Eastasians/ Eurasians/ Oceanians are taking our money and sending us bad vaccines”, and you will step forward to spit on the effigy of the darn foreign devil who infected your granma.
“Imagine, if you, Orwill, the future of mankind, as a never-ending series of medical interventions, forever!”

Richard Page
Reply to  Glenn
June 17, 2021 7:22 am

You should always be worried about taking any shot, no matter how safe. In this case it’s not just about the tiny chance of dying from COVID, but the high chance that you could pass it on to others. The only way to eliminate this virus is to prevent it from spreading. I’m supportive of anyone who wants to just protect themselves, takes preventative medicines and couldn’t care less if anyone else catches it, but I weighed up the risks and opted to have both vaccine shots for myself. The data we have at the moment indicates that young children are low risk for death and low risk for transmission so I’m very much against the vaccination of young people but we’ll have to see what the variant data tells us – at first glance it seems to show the variants are infecting younger age groups than the original strain.

James Donald Bailey
June 14, 2021 7:18 pm

I read that those heart problems were in teens and young adults under 24.
Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee June 10, 2021 Meeting Presentation – COVID-19 Vaccine Safety Updates (fda.gov)
check out p 18.

Oh, and VAERS is the one spreading those ‘out of context’ vaccine complications, showing many more deaths than other years. My query gave 4534 deaths this year through June 4th to the COVID vaccines.
The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) About (cdc.gov)

These people, with axes to grind, say 5888. They may be better at searching the database than I.
Mortality (openvaers.com)
The graph on that page is jaw dropping.

BCBill
Reply to  James Donald Bailey
June 14, 2021 8:45 pm

Thank you. VERY interesting. If not for the hysteria many of the vaccines would never have been approved.

Alex
Reply to  James Donald Bailey
June 14, 2021 10:15 pm

Yes. These 6000 deaths caused by the vaccine shots must be compared to 600,000 covid-19 deaths.

Ruleo
Reply to  Alex
June 14, 2021 10:59 pm

There was no “600,000” deaths.

30,000.

That’s the CDC number*.

So 1 death for every 5 saved.

UNACCEPTABLE.

*5.5%

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e2.htm

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Ruleo
Reply to  Alex
June 14, 2021 11:16 pm

Edit: I was not clear in my point. Complete re-write for clarity.

There was no “600,000” deaths. (actual deaths with Covid 375k*)

But let’s take your number 600k. (CDC admits only 5.5% of that 375k died from Covid btw)

That makes 30,000, from your 600k, directly died from Covid

Going with your number still.

1 death for every 5 saved.

Going with CDC numbers, that’s 1 death for every 3 saved.

UNACCEPTABLE.

*5.5%

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e2.htm

Rich Davis
Reply to  Ruleo
June 15, 2021 4:03 am

So let me see if I understand your position:

Given two choices (and accepting your worst-case numbers):

Option 1:
Vaccinate and net 4 out of 5 deaths are avoided

Option 2:
Don’t vaccinate and net 4 out of 5 deaths are allowed to happen

You choose Option 2

Because 80% is not good enough, might as well go with 20% success rate?

Or 1 death is UNACCEPTABLE. You prefer 4 deaths.

Let me know where I’m going wrong here.

Sebastian Magee
Reply to  Rich Davis
June 15, 2021 6:58 am

1/5, means it is acceptable and recommendable that people at high risk of death by COVID take it. The rest of the population that have less than 1/5 of the risk should not. That’s where you are wrong. The risk of this illness is far from a uniform spread on the population, is closer to an exponential distribution with age.

Tim Groves
Reply to  Rich Davis
June 17, 2021 12:30 am

Hi Rich! Would you rate all deaths as equal?

For instance, is the death of a 98 year old with a terminal illness who dies from Covid-19 equivalent to the death of a 19 year old and apparently healthy individual who has to undergo a heart transplant and then dies within two months of getting her second Moderna jab?

Or is it equivalent to the death of a year-old infant who dies after drinking its mother’s milk following the mother’s Pfizer jab?

icisil
Reply to  Alex
June 15, 2021 3:54 am

No, they must be compared to deaths from other vaccines, which at the current rate is running about 50 times normal (based on approx 200 deaths per year for all vaccines pre-2021 and 5000 deaths in 6 months for covid vaccines).

Rich Davis
Reply to  icisil
June 15, 2021 9:12 am

Why not compare it to deaths from skydiving mishaps? Or direct meteor strikes? How is a comparison to other vaccines relevant to the question of which decision results in fewer people dying? Why is it relevant to anything beyond the question of whether this set of vaccines are riskier than the average of all vaccines?

The claim is that 5 times more people would die from covid-19 than would die from the vaccine. Both numbers vanishingly low. If correct, then just considering lives and not costs it should be a no-brainer choice for “society”. For nearly all individuals, the relative risk is different from the average. So I get that for some subgroup, the risk of dying from covid is all but zero while the risk of dying from the vaccine is higher, though still practically zero.

Doc Chuck
Reply to  Rich Davis
June 15, 2021 1:21 pm

Rich, your reference to a ‘one size fits all’ vaccine response mentality (even as alternative contributions of Ivermectin and other therapeutic means of blunting the viral impact are systematically ignored) does bring to mind a similarly skewed climate change narrative parallel that obscures presumed fearsome regional and global high temperature trends that are actually quite flat (including the tropics themselves) over the past century but that are so conveniently hidden within a global average elevation (even irrespective of whether ‘adjustments’ have been made) that mostly reflects warming nightly lows recorded in high northern and subarctic latitudes as we have beneficially for the residents thereabouts lifted out of an earlier ‘little ice age’. Boggled juvenile minds on a very costly march indeed. Excuse me now while I buy my new electric toy to save the planet for y’all!

Patrick MJD
June 14, 2021 7:41 pm

In Australia there were 910 reported deaths attributed to COVID-19. What is little reported, especially in the media and universally rejected by people who don’t read well, is that 210 people died as a direct result of taking the one of the three vaccines available. I also read someone had a leg amputated due to blood clots. Even without considering my blood condition I will never take any of these rushed in to service “COVID-19” vaccines.

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Craig from Oz
Reply to  Patrick MJD
June 14, 2021 8:06 pm

In interest of fairness, the 210 dead have, with a few exceptions, died WITH vaccines, not FROM.

Also in the interest of fairness, the vast majority of China Virus deaths are also WITH, not FROM, so pretty much apples to apples if you ask me.

The other point being largely hushed up is that when you do have an adverse reaction to a vaccine, you get the full nine course banquet. Vaccines CAN and HAVE put people into intensive care.

They are at best Very Low Risk, but the moment anyone suffers an adverse reaction, they are not safe and also remember vaccines are not a cure.

Gary Vasey
Reply to  Craig from Oz
June 14, 2021 9:57 pm

And many of those dying from COVID died with it not from it…. these vaccines are not safe. How can anyone not see that?

Simon
Reply to  Gary Vasey
June 15, 2021 1:47 pm

these vaccines are not safe. How can anyone not see that?”
Umm because they are. 310 million shots in the US, no deaths. Israel had huge success.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Simon
June 15, 2021 5:52 pm

Israel had over 10,000 test positive after having the vaccine.

Simon
Reply to  Patrick MJD
June 15, 2021 9:01 pm

Once again you don’t tell the full story. Those 10,000 had not had their second shot. In fact tests on those who had received both shots showed what has been known and that is their antibody levels after 21 days give them nearly complete immunity against the virus.

Ron
Reply to  Patrick MJD
June 15, 2021 9:25 pm

The vaccines are designed to prevent hospitalization and death, not infection or spread. If they do so, very good, but that was not the intention or the criteria designing and testing them.

GeoffM
Reply to  Simon
June 16, 2021 7:53 am

To report on the efficacy of vaccines the manufacturers use RRR (Relative Risk Reduction). For the Pfizer covid vaccine it is an impressive-sounding 95%. However, another metric is ARR (Absolute Risk Reduction). In his clinical paper published by the US Government in February, Ronald Brown states that the ARR for Pfizer is an unimpressive-sounding 0.7%, and that this means that 142 people need to be vaccinated to prevent one covid infection.
In correspondence to The Lancet in March, Piero Olliaro of Oxford University says the 95% RRR Pfizer figure does not mean that 95% of people are protected from disease with the vaccine.
And a 2011 Food and Drugs Administration document says science supports the provision of “absolute risks, not just relative risks. Patients are unduly influenced when risk information is presented using a relative risk approach; this can result in suboptimal decisions. Thus, an absolute risk format should be used”.

Alex
Reply to  Craig from Oz
June 14, 2021 10:09 pm

Sorry, but are the highest risk vaccines ever. Unprecedented.

Simon
Reply to  Patrick MJD
June 14, 2021 8:11 pm

What is little reported, especially in the media and universally rejected by people who don’t read well, is that 210 people died as a direct result of taking the one of the three vaccines available.”
BS…Evidence please?

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Simon
June 14, 2021 10:13 pm

This has not been reported in the media;

https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-27-05-2021

The last I heard in the Australian media was 2 deaths attributed to vaccines and clotting, last one was just over a week ago.

Simon
Reply to  Patrick MJD
June 15, 2021 12:59 pm

So if it hasn’t been reported in the media, that means you got it from somewhere else? Or…. you made it up? Which is it?

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Simon
June 15, 2021 5:53 pm

I got the information from the official Govn’t website, http://www.tga.gov.au. So, you didn’t read the article at the link I see.

Simon
Reply to  Patrick MJD
June 15, 2021 9:02 pm

I read it. It said nothing like what you claimed. I wanna know where you could possibly have got that “ 210 people died as a direct result of taking the one of the three vaccines available”?

John Endicott
Reply to  Simon
June 16, 2021 6:58 am

He got it by misreading the very link he cites. It states “the TGA has received 210 reports of deaths following immunisation”. That’s death with the vaccine, not deaths from the vaccine. 93% of the deaths where among senior citizens and many were of elder care patients. In otherwords they could have died from causes that had nothing to do with the vaccine IE for all anyone knows they would have died from the same causes with or without getting the vaccine. The cited link also goes on to say “To date, the observed number of deaths reported after vaccination is actually less than the expected number of deaths.” and “Apart from the single Australian case in which death was linked to TTS, COVID-19 vaccines have not been found to cause death.

As much as it pains me to agree with simple simon, the fact is it’s little reported because what Patrick claims doesn’t match the facts as reported by the very goverment link he cites as backing up his false claim.

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Reply to  Patrick MJD
June 14, 2021 8:22 pm

Actually, in Australia the deaths following vaccination are less than expected to occur anyway. If one wishes to take a lesson from the stats, the vaccines are anti-death! 😀

See https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-27-05-2021

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Robin Craig
June 15, 2021 2:15 am

Healthy one day, jab the next, dead the next day, or at the very least, an amputation. And now we have a fourth, Novavax, being pushed here in Australia.

I will take my chances with SARS-COV-2 thanks!

John Endicott
Reply to  Patrick MJD
June 16, 2021 7:44 am

Healthy one day, jab the next, dead the next day,”

The data (from your own link) doesn’t back up your claims. By all means, if you don’t want the vaccine, don’t get it. But don’t make shit up to justify your choice.

As Robin pointed out, the deaths were less than would normally be expected (again, according to your own source), of the 210 deaths, only one was determined to be as a result of the vaccine – the other 209 were thus “with” and not “from” deaths, meaning it’s more accurate to say “healthy one day, dead the next jab or no jab” and it should be noted 93% of them were older people and many of them elder care patients (you know, the group most likely to be “healthy one day and dead the next” under normal circumstances).

Again, it’s one thing to say you don’t want the vaccine (that’s your choice, and you should have the freedom to so chose) it’ something else entirely to make shit up to justify that choice.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Robin Craig
June 15, 2021 4:14 am

note careful NO numbers mentioned here
Myocarditis and pericarditisThe TGA continues to investigate a small number of Australian cases of myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the membrane around the heart) following vaccination with Comirnaty. There is no indication at the moment that these cases are due to the vaccine but the TGA is collaborating with international medicine regulators on this issue.

n.n
Reply to  Robin Craig
June 15, 2021 6:13 am

anti-death? pro-life or pro-choice?

Bill
Reply to  Patrick MJD
June 15, 2021 6:58 pm

I’m more afraid of contracting stupidity than I am contracting the Wuhan Flu!

TonyG
Reply to  Bill
June 16, 2021 6:52 am

Well, it DOES appear to be spreading at pandemic levels, with no end in sight.

John Endicott
Reply to  Patrick MJD
June 16, 2021 7:32 am

Patrick, It’s ironic that you should cast the “people who don’t read well” stone considering it’s you who apparently didn’t read well. The very government link you cite does not state anything like your claim of ” 210 people died as a *direct result* of taking the one of the three vaccines available”

What it actually said is “the TGA has received 210 reports of deaths following immunisation”. As anyone who does read well can tell you they’re talking about “deaths with” which is not the same thing as your (caused by misreading) claim of “deaths (directly) from” .Someone who got the jab and then died in a car accident the next day would be a person who “died following immunization”, but they would not be someone who “died as a direct result of immunization”. Do you not see the difference between what was said and what you claimed? because anyone who does read well can.

And if that wasn’t clear enough to people who read well, the report further goes on to say “To date, the observed number of deaths reported after vaccination is actually less than the expected number of deaths.” (which one wouldn’t expect to be the case it the vaccine was *causing* significant numbers of death) and more tellingly “Apart from the single Australian case in which death was linked to TTS, COVID-19 vaccines have not been found to cause death.” So not only doesn’t it claim 210 died as a direct result of the vaccine, they *explicitly said* only one person was determined to have died as a result of the vaccines.

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June 14, 2021 7:56 pm

Had to dig up the link I came across the other day to a Japanese study (someone leaked it, it is a confidential Pfizer report from the animal testing phase).

https://www.lifesitenews.com/images/pdfs/Pfizer-bio-distribution-confidential-document-translated-to-english.pdf

The mRNA “vaccines” do not stay at the injection site – they are soon found all through the body.

My entire family is vaccinated – with J&J. I was downright obnoxious on not even considering the Pfizer or Moderna “vaccines.”

Adam Gallon
Reply to  Writing Observer
June 14, 2021 10:19 pm

Vaccine doesn’t stay in injection site, but moves all around the body.
Were you born stupid or just studied hard at night school?

Walter Sobchak
June 14, 2021 8:33 pm

Post hoc ergo procter hoc is a fallacy. You also need to know how many people would have developed the condition without having been vaccinated, ad they did before December 2020.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
June 15, 2021 4:13 am

What Walter said

Except for the procter part (propter)

Alexy Scherbakoff
June 14, 2021 9:09 pm

So let me get this straight. The covid vaccine:
Won’t cure covid
Won’t prevent me getting covid
Won’t prevent me passing on covid to others
May lessen symptoms of covid
May prevent me from dying of covid
I may have adverse effects 
I may die
Cool! Sign me up for a jab of all the vaccines.

StevenF
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
June 14, 2021 11:29 pm

Hmm.

No vaccine cures a disease.

It does prevent you from getting COVID. That is where the 90% effectiveness comes from for the mRNA vaccines for example. But it doesn’t protect everyone. But no vaccine does.

If you are one of the people who has a vaccine failure and you get COVID you can pass it on to others.

Yes, it seems that even the people who still get COVID have a less virulent (less symptoms) illness.

Yes, the vaccines seems to prevent people from dying of COVID.

All vaccines have adverse effects. This one is no different. The adverse reaction numbers seem about the same. What is different is the absolute craziness of people reacting to what is difficult to interpret data, much of which is wrong. Unfortunately, it is difficult to know what is actually wrong because the data is so hard to get and to interpret.

Yes, it is theoretically possible that you could die. It is also theoretically possible that you could win the lottery. It is also theoretically possible that you could die the day you win the lottery. Those all have probabilities. But they are so small that it is unlikely that any of those would occur. But they could. On the other hand, we have given more than 2 billion vaccinations worldwide. If there was a real serious risk, the number of deaths would be much larger and pretty obvious.

It is necessary to understand that we have given these vaccines preferentially to older, less healthy individuals. People most at risk of dying from COVID. Also the same people most at risk of dying on any particular day. It is not surprising in the millions of elderly people vaccinated that many died in the days following vaccination. In some it was just pure random chance. But in others, it may have been the stress (however small) of vaccination that pushed otherwise vulnerable people over the edge into a death spiral. But those individuals were pretty much on deaths doorstep and something else may have pushed them over the edge.

Are there some people who died who don’t fit that profile? Of course. I’ve seen the summary data, it isn’t clear what to make of it. It isn’t clear cut one way or the other. I want to trust the people who have seen the individual case data and state that there aren’t clear patterns but maybe in this day and age we shouldn’t trust anyone. But the reality is that I don’t have the time or desire to check every detail myself. So I have to trust others and use my knowledge to make some sort of informed decision, even if informed with less than full knowledge.

But isn’t that what we do everyday in life? Every time we go through a green light we are trusting other people. Heck, in those situations we don’t have the opportunity to even weigh the evidence that the other driver can be trusted. We go through and hope for the best.

StevenF
Reply to  StevenF
June 14, 2021 11:37 pm

I would like to make one other point. Here in the US, we are currently at a 7 day moving average of about 12,000 new cases a day. Down from a high of around 400,000 cases a day just back in January. Around half the population has had at least one vaccination. Add to that the people who have gotten COVID and are immune, and we are well on the glide path to full herd immunity.

I think this shows two things. One that having been infected and recovered does contribute to herd immunity. Two, that the vaccines also contribute to herd immunity and likely have provided the lion’s share of the contribution.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  StevenF
June 15, 2021 12:35 am

They are suggesting that if you had covid, you should have the vaccine anyway

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
June 15, 2021 4:16 am

yeah not one but two!
stupid
risk of creating a serious immune response, not just a nudge

pigs_in_space
Reply to  StevenF
June 15, 2021 8:58 am

except you forgot one key factor in your argument.
Covid is seasonal just like FLU.

it’s not an accident the sars-cov panic takes over as Autumn and winter comes,-
then dissipates in summer when everyone wants to get plenty of Vitamin D enhancing sunshine and lots of other minerals and vitamins.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  StevenF
June 15, 2021 12:46 am

You haven’t really disagreed with the things I said. Your bottom line is that you should trust someone. My bottom line is to trust no one, even crossing a road on a green. My life circumstances have led me to be like that, particularly dealing with the medical profession.
I am not discouraging anyone to have a vaccine. I choose not to have one, at the moment.

StevenF
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
June 15, 2021 12:16 pm

Fair enough. But you are trusting people all the time.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  StevenF
June 15, 2021 3:39 am

“StevenF

It does prevent you from getting COVID.”

No that is incorrect.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Patrick MJD
June 15, 2021 6:37 am

Bingo—the proverbial ignored elephant.

StevenF
Reply to  Patrick MJD
June 15, 2021 12:19 pm

OK, I’ll bite. How does it not prevent you from getting COVID. If in a well done controlled trial, a significant number of individuals in a control group get COVID and a significant number of individuals in the study group don’t get COVID, how do you argue that it didn’t prevent getting COVID? Or are you arguing that it doesn’t prevent you from being exposed to COVID? I’m actually somewhat confused by your assertion.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  StevenF
June 15, 2021 5:57 pm

The vaccine reduces risk from developing the COVID-19 disease, won’t stop you contracting the virus.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Patrick MJD
June 16, 2021 3:27 am

As I said above, that is a distinction without a difference. Meaningless sophistry.

GeoffM
Reply to  StevenF
June 16, 2021 8:05 am

The Pfeizer covid vaccine efficacy study published Dec 2020 concludes that it’s efficacy is 95%.
This 95% figure is striking when you compare it with similar studies on influenza vaccines which report efficacy figures ranging from 4% to 81%.
Another issue is the potential conflicts of interest among the researchers conducting the study. These are listed on a separate document which is an incredible 89 pages long. The majority have shares and careers in Pfeizer My findings with the Moderna vaccine study are similar.
Can we have studies where the future wealth of the researchers doesn’t depend on what they write in the conclusion?

Tim Groves
Reply to  GeoffM
June 17, 2021 12:55 am

The makers and the media love talking about the relative risk reduction, which is disingenuous as most people (perhaps 80% of us) will handle Covid-19 without symptoms and the numbers that will get seriously ill (a few percent) or die with or from it (less than 0.2%) are in the same ballpark as for bog-standard influenza.

commentary in Lancet Microbe clarified that trials on tens of thousands of people showed absolute risk reductions for Covid-19 vaccine trials that are miniscule—a reduction in the risk of getting severe Covid of 1.2% for Moderna and 0.84% for Pfizer.

Why subject yourself to an experimental medical intervention that may ruin or end your life when your risk of getting ill with Covid-19 is small and can be further reduced by increasing your blood vitamin D levels, and there are several safe and effective treatment options?

Rich Davis
Reply to  Patrick MJD
June 16, 2021 3:25 am

On what basis are you making that claim? Because there is a finite failure rate? Because it doesn’t prevent a virus from entering your body if one is out there?

Those are distinctions without a difference. It does substantially eliminate the risk of subsequently being infected sufficiently to cause life-threatening illness. It does so in two ways: by training your immune system to attack the virus if encountered in the future so that the virus is contained before it can cause illness; and when enough of the population is vaccinated, by denying the virus any hosts where it can replicate, thus reducing the opportunity for infection.

If you dispute those points, please explain your evidence.

icisil
Reply to  StevenF
June 15, 2021 4:13 am

No, they do not prevent you from getting COVID. They are claimed to only reduce symptoms. So basically, Tamiflu for covid.

StevenF
Reply to  icisil
June 15, 2021 12:21 pm

Obviously we’ve read very different studies. The ones I have read both showed an overall reduction in the number of cases (controlled versus study group) and a reduction in the severity of symptoms in those in the study group who did get COVID.

Rich Davis
Reply to  icisil
June 16, 2021 3:34 am

No, it is not claimed to treat symptoms. It is exactly the same as any other vaccine. It trains the immune system to attack the virus. If any virus is out there it can infect you and will likely replicate k!lling some of your cells. The critical question is whether your immune system will react fast enough to avoid an uncontrollable spread. No vaccine is a physical barrier to infection.

Reply to  StevenF
June 15, 2021 5:27 am

That is where the 90% effectiveness comes from…

No, that’s a lie. The “90% effectiveness” is “at lessening the symptoms of a future covid infection” You will still get sick, just maybe less so.
But first, we’ll have to find that darn virus, prove it exists, so we can actually test all these wonderful concoctions that are so wonderful the manufacturers need special state protection from being sued shitless.

John Endicott
Reply to  paranoid goy
June 16, 2021 7:54 am

“No, that’s a lie.”

So nice of you to self label your post. thanks.

Reply to  StevenF
June 15, 2021 8:48 am

The 90% is only a relative security, the absolute is about around 1 – 2 %

Reply to  StevenF
June 15, 2021 8:52 am

But they could. On the other hand, we have given more than 2 billion vaccinations worldwide. If there was a real serious risk, the number of deaths would be much larger and pretty obvious.

We are in the 7th month or so of vaccination. Did you consider unknown sideeffects after a year or two ? Noone has an idea about longtime effects.
The now vaccinated are the crash test dummies.

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StevenF
Reply to  Krishna Gans
June 15, 2021 12:24 pm

Sure. One never knows. But it isn’t like histology/physiology is a complete unknown. I would bet money that the unknown side effects based on a completely new concept that we don’t know about will not ever materialize. But you are right, no one will ever really know till we go through the period.

Reply to  StevenF
June 15, 2021 8:59 am

Every time we go through a green light we are trusting other people.

You do ?? I don’t. Before crossing a road, green light or not, I look around, I always did.
I remember a corner in France, I always crossed with red light, because people turning right did never pay attention to people crossing the street. 😀
Learning by experience not to trust everybody.

StevenF
Reply to  Krishna Gans
June 15, 2021 12:26 pm

Of course you are. Even when you look both ways and start to go through the light, you are trusting that others will come to a stop. Just like you trust people to stop and look before entering the road in front of you. Yes, you can drive defensively but only to a point. You eventually have to trust the other person on the road.

Reply to  StevenF
June 15, 2021 2:10 pm

I don’t trust, I control, always aware of idiots or sleeper.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Krishna Gans
June 16, 2021 3:42 am

If you won’t say trust, then you must say hope. You hope that there won’t be someone speeding into the intersection that you can’t detect in time to avoid. But then you should realize that you are trusting enough of the population not to be reckless so that your guess about the risk of staying on the road will be justified.

John Endicott
Reply to  Krishna Gans
June 16, 2021 7:57 am

The point is you have no control over the idiots or sleepers. What control you have over your own actions only limits the potential of having an accident with the idiots or sleepers, it doesn’t eliminate it no matter how vigilent you think you are.

Tim Groves
Reply to  StevenF
June 17, 2021 1:05 am

Steven and Rich, your trustingness is commendable, but I suppose you don’t extend it to the point of gullibility by trusting every con-artist who promises you benefits if you’ll just do what he asks?

So, at what point does trusting medical advice from people who are not qualified to practice medicine reach a level that can be described as gullibility?

I submit that with the Covid-19 vaccines, we are just about there. And thinking about this entire issue, I am reminded of Sir Humphrey Appleby said: “the history of the world is the triumph of the heartless over the mindless.”  

June 14, 2021 9:16 pm

slow zombies it is

Ruleo
June 14, 2021 10:48 pm

Over 5 thousands deaths per VAERS (more than all 15 years prior combined) and you have to gall to say the experimental jab is no worse than seasonal flu vaccines?

Did I read that right?

JohnK
June 14, 2021 11:03 pm
newt2u
Reply to  JohnK
June 14, 2021 11:45 pm

John, thanks for that, very interesting.

Peta of Newark
June 14, 2021 11:28 pm

Headline:”CDC Emergency Meeting to Discuss Rare Covid Vaccine Heart Complications”
Typical contemporary science. i.e. Go into blind panic mode over something rare.

I’ll put up some of my reasons, there’ll be plenty more, add your own

1) Cause & Effect error. What they are seeing is ‘diversity’ in action. Thus when Covid itself came along, either we all died or none of us died

2) Who are these people with ‘rare’ complications?

  • Are they overweight
  • How much exercise and fresh air do they get
  • What is their status of Magnesium, Zinc, Vitamins B, C and D
  • Do they smoke, drink and or take cannabis
  • Are they in a chemically induced chronic depression
  • <over to you>

In other words, were these people simply walking talking heart attacks who tripped over a grain of sand on the side-walk – Covid Vaccine being = that grain of sand

Taking the definition of Myocarditis as ‘Inflammation’ and ‘electrical malfunction’,
The Main Players in there are:

  • Zinc – Without adequate Zinc inside you, your immune system goes crazy = ‘Inflammation’
  • Vitamin C. Linus Pauling had it well sussed concerning heart disease and Vitamin C
  • Magnesium: A massively important neurotransmitter, especially for your heart
  • Vitamin B Hugely important for functioning of our nervous (electrical) system and also in the business of ‘protein’ – including ‘protein spikes’ i.e. Immune systems
  • Chronic depression. Well known. Those folks simply give up hope and stop taking care of themselves. Quite effectively = suicide.

I see nothing or nobody looking at the simple bare necessities, any one of which could be taking down those people rather than the vaccine.

What I see is a repeat of Climate Science = a fixation powered by exaggeration (mendacity) fake Empathy and Good Intentions on something so mindnumbingly trivial as to defy belief.
Not unlike what propels CliSci
i.e. The vanishingly small (=Zero to Three Decimal Places) Emissivity of Carbon Dioxide Gas

What is The Problem here?
Why the incessant Witch Hunting?
What is anyone/everyone trying to prove?

Vincent Causey
June 14, 2021 11:41 pm

What we have learned is that the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2 is the part that causes the disease symptoms known as COVID-19. The reason this is important is because it was previously assumed that the SP was simply like a “key” that opens the door of the cell membrane. Therefore it is hardly surprising that a vaccine that forces the body to produce uncontrolled SP will lead to Covid like symptoms.

The other thing we learned is that the vaccine doesn’t remain in the shoulder like it was thought, but enters the blood stream and spreads to organs of the body. This begins to be observed within 15 minutes which was the earliest time interval measured. Notably it accumulates in the testes and ovaries but also liver, spleen and to some extent the heart. The effects of myocarditis are permanent in that the heart cells that die do not grow back, much like the effect of a heart attack.

If any other medication in history had this number of adverse effects (there are more than in the entire history of VAERS for all previous vaccines combined) the trial would be stopped immediately. What is happening parallels what has happened with the climate change agenda – mass vaccination for its own sake has become a state religion and the maxim “first do no harm” has been completely forgotten.

June 14, 2021 11:54 pm

The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact between the US and the EU, United in their passion to kick post-Brexit Britain, first manifested itself in the lynching of the AstraZeneca vaccine. Last week it took form again as Irish Biden’s essentially racist support for the EU’s land grab of Northern Ireland.

All the reasons for this United attack against the AZ vaccine are bogus. Data from the rollout of millions of vaccines administered consistently show the AZ vaccine to be at least as effective as the Pfizer and other vaccines, and to be superior in its longer term T cell based immunity. The big noise about blood clots has fallen silent after clinicians have now learned to manage the cases and dramatically reduce the ill effects and mortality. Meanwhile some of the side effect of the Pfizer jab hitherto hidden by the company’s legal thugs, are now leaking into the media.

Britain is now in the position of Poland in the 1930s, sandwiched to the east and west by large powers that hate and resent the nation’s new found independence – and who would like to extinguish that independence as soon as possible.

Rob Piper
June 15, 2021 2:37 am

See the following link to see doctors & nurses discussing covid vaccine injuries
https://www.medscape.com/sites/public/covid-19/vaccine-insights/how-concerned-are-you-about-vaccine-related-adverse-events

very old white guy
June 15, 2021 2:53 am

Was just reading an article from the UK. Based on their yellow card system of reporting adverse effects from vaccines, they are suggesting that all covid vaccines be stopped immediately.

Notanacademic
Reply to  very old white guy
June 15, 2021 7:10 am

Would appreciate if you could give details, I would like to read that myself. Thanks

Eric Vieira
June 15, 2021 3:40 am

That “Senior Doctor” doesn’t seem to be very well informed wrt. side effects from the mRNA vaccines. By the way that goes for many other Doctors too.. If they rely only on official reports or MSM for information, then no wonder. By the way, Doctors who are well informed, and openly act on this are, or will be probably cancelled.

Bruce Cobb
June 15, 2021 4:47 am

Music to the vaccinatards (those refusing to take the covid vaccine, due to their own selfish, and retarded “reasons”) ears, I suppose. We’ve never gotten a flu shot, and I can’t remember the last time I had the flu. We’re healthy, take vitamins, walk etc. But, as soon as the covid vaccine was available, we took it.
Go figure.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
June 15, 2021 6:40 am

Does the pfizer injection prevent you from getting a WuhanFlu infection?

Tom in Florida
June 15, 2021 5:10 am

All medications and vaccines come with a long list of possible side effects and conditions to be watchful for. Most serious side effects happen only rarely. But they do happen. The caveat is ALWAYS : “your doctor has prescribed this medication because he or she has judged the benefit to you is greater than the risk from side effects”.

Uffe
Reply to  Tom in Florida
June 15, 2021 5:43 am

Tom you can stop taking a pill if you get side effects, but if you take the jab and get a side effect you have to live with it there is nothing you can do to stop it, the vaccin is a part of the rest of your life with or without side effects.

Thats the diffrens from other medications.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Uffe
June 15, 2021 2:47 pm

While your point is taken it was not what I said.
Understand that EVERYTHING you put into your body has possible side effects. The caveat is whether or not what you are putting in is better than not putting it in at all. You and your doctor should make that decision.

PaulH
June 15, 2021 6:09 am

Here is yet another report:

CDC says vaccine link to heart inflammation is stronger than previously thought

It appears the problem occurs in those under 30 which, as I understand it, is a cohort that generally does not suffer severe issues from CV-19. On the other hand, I think the data we are dealing with is full of errors, delays and revisions that it’s becoming increasingly difficult to get valid analysis. It’s all very frustrating.

Jeffery P
June 15, 2021 8:43 am

All the Covid-19 vaccines are approved for emergency use. Perhaps use should be limited to emergencies. That is, people who are highly vulnerable should get vaccinated. Young, healthy people? Probably not.

niceguy
June 15, 2021 10:04 am

I personally know a senior doctor who is furious that stories of Covid vaccine complications are taken out of context, that Covid vaccines are no worse than flu vaccines, in terms of their side effects

Shameful plug was NOT needed.

June 15, 2021 11:13 am

They must stop vaccinating minors, at least. Healthy minors (<18) derive no benefits from it. Younger people get worse side effects. Minors gets immunity by exposure. Most of the kids probably have immunity, except in the areas where schools stayed closed for the whole year

Even those minors who get infected, shed only very small amounts of the virus.

COVID-19 vaccination of young healthy people is madness.

June 15, 2021 11:33 am

This sounds like a classical vaccine associated enhanced disease (VAED). “Enhanced disease” means worsened conditions of the patient.

This is an “enhancement” of the second kind – “enhanced” pathology. The first kind is when sub-neutralizing antibodies help the virus to enter the cells instead of preventing that.

Kevin R.
June 15, 2021 12:16 pm

Are the numbers different than what the normal numbers of the general population would be?

Richard Mann
June 15, 2021 3:46 pm
Skeptic
June 15, 2021 6:28 pm

As Salk Institute pointed out, it’s the HIV Inserted GOF Spike Proteins that cause the damage not the virus. These spikes were meant to stay in the muscle but have been shown to enter the vascular system and even cross the blood brain barrier. In men they accumulate in the heart , in women they accumulate in the womb.

Joe H
June 16, 2021 12:18 am

On US VAERS the deaths recorded against.CV19 vaxx are greater than all 70 other vaxxes combined over the last 30 years! I understand VAERS is quite a deficient reporting system (severe under reporting) but even in a noisy system a clear signal will still be visible. To state that this vaxx is as safe as flu vaxx is arrant nonsense. VAERS staff estimate the CV vaxx is responsible for around 20k deaths in US.

Paul C
June 16, 2021 7:08 am

And now in the UK they appear to be initiating compulsory vaccination.
First they came for the care home staff……
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/06/16/boris-backs-mandatory-vaccines-healthcare-workers-report/
As the trials have not been completed, all the vaccines are still experimental. This would appear to be another clear contravention of the Nuremberg code. The ten principles for medical experimentation on human subjects keep it clear and simple, but they appear determined to break as many as possible. I believe that in some jurisdictions, the death penalty can be applied for breach of this code.
http://www.cirp.org/library/ethics/nuremberg/