Guest essay by Eric Worrall
h/t GWPF – According to India, mixing Climate and economic policy “would be adding insult to injury as far as the poor and developing countries” situation is concerned”.
Ahead Of G20, India Slams Linking Climate Issues To Economic Recovery
The US administration has been pushing for a strong climate agenda as part of the process of recovery from the pandemic.
All IndiaPress Trust of India
Updated: April 13, 2021 1:40 am ISTNew Delhi:
India has denounced attempts to link climate issues to economic recovery amid the coronavirus pandemic at the forthcoming G20 talks, saying it will impose a huge developmental cost on developing countries.
The US administration has been pushing for a strong climate agenda as part of the process of recovery from the pandemic.
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Sanjeev Sanyal, the principal economic advisor to the Ministry of Finance, said climate change is a serious issue but it should not be confused with the immediate objective of an economic revival.
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P Harish, additional secretary (economic relations) in the Ministry of External Affairs, criticised efforts to establish a goalpost outside the Paris framework in the G20.
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“We have many years ahead of us where we come up to the world average in terms of energy consumption and per capita GDP. Constraining our options at this point through extra conditionalities will not only impose a financial cost but also a huge developmental cost,” the senior official said.
“Imposing conditionalities amid the worst economic impact of a lifetime by seeking green recovery…in a range of areas, on trade, investment, financing for development, this would be adding insult to injury as far as the poor and developing countries” situation is concerned,” he said.
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Read more: https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/ahead-of-g20-india-slams-linking-climate-issues-to-economic-recovery-2412211
My question – if people like India’s Sanjeev Sanyal are ready to tell John Kerry to his face that his climate diplomacy is not welcome, what else will Kerry have to talk about?
Right they are !
I couldn’t agree more. India does not need such virtue-signalling from wealthy developed nations. Neither do any other countries; each must decide on their own priorities and surely the needs of the poor and deprived must take priority. The wealthier developed nations owe their good fortune, in no small part, to the utilisation of fossil fuels. How can we condemn those governments for desiring the same benefits? If wealthy countries are truly concerned about CO2 emissions then instead of wasting trillions on windmills and solar panels and computer modelling why not consider funding the establishment of modular nuclear reactors worldwide and thereby provide access to some real energy for all.
There is no need to be concerned about co2 because it does not impact the climate and higher atmospheric levels increase agricultural production which greatly benefits developing nations.
Sandeev Sanjal needs to say that instead of saying climate change is a serious issue.
Sanyal.
Apologies.
Ah, but India was all in for the Paris accords where India was supposed to get payments from the US and more “advanced” economies in exchange for vague promises of future performances.
This appears to be just more of the same – give us money but don’t ask us to take any immediate action that would cost us.
In my opinion most of India’s problem is because they left capitalism for socialist policies and corruption and lost several decades in the process. Why should they be rewarded for such behavior?
I agree climate should be kept out of every discussion and agreement, but India’s response here is simply a demand for free aid. The US has enough internal problems that it needs money for without giving our grandchildren’s money to India.
Well gee, India, if everyone had your attitude, nothing would ever actually get done about tackling climate.
Oh wait….
They need high speed rail. Hold on!
I’m not sure that is appropriate, sorry.
Falling off one of those trains is more of an “existential threat” than climate change.
Getting ON one of those trains is an existential threat.
Why? Are trains racist now?
There are lot’s of remote villages where Indian trains pass nearby & most of those pictured hanging onto the carriage sides are just hitching a free ride to a nearby town. There are also students from villages that attend continuing education who, without hopping a train have less options. Some students are clearly identifiable in the video by their book bag’s shoulder strap. I’d like to point out how those un-ticketed passengers are all cleanly dressed & not “dharma bums” (hat tip to author Jack Kerouac).
Fixing that kind of poverty is why India is going all in for coal Scissor.
That’s the ticket, and we need India to become more prosperous to counter China.
I believe India has several nuclear reactors under construction also. I generally respect the Indian people and wish them well, except for those a-holes calling from the faux Social Security Administration.
I’m with you 100% on that, Scissor. India has been a model for developing counties everywhere and one of the few who didn’t sit around from Chinese handouts and European platitudes. They also aren’t throwing away their culture.
I can agree, but not without noting that there was a time in the not so distant past when the ability to sit or squat on a smoking, rattling, lurching mechanical beast and be transported miles and miles was very far from a feature of poverty but a great step up from a days-long trudge to a market.
you couldn’t get that many flees on a dog no matter how hard you tried, i love doco’s about india and indians, they are a good hearted lot in general.
I also enjoy the often cheerful ragas they use to accompany films of Indian life. How they maintain their stoicism and cheerfulness simultaneously can only be explained by that enigmatic wag of the head. And the daily delivery of hot lunches by the dabbawalas is one of India’s great miracles.
Notwithstanding the truth of everything he said. the entire thing has been nothing but enormously expensive, purposeless virtue signalling from the very beginning. The moment “settled science” and consensus were made part of the discussion, science had left the building. “Climate change” is well past its ‘best before date’.
Who cares about the G20 Conference. St. Greta of Angst already says she’s (it’s?) not coming.
She couldn’t find a suitable lilo to cross the Channel on.
Sorry but you have to be dead first before you can be called a Saint.
Ah, but have you factored in post-modern canonization where you need to save the children and the children’s children?
Heinz Ketchup.
“My question – if people like India’s Sanjeev Sanyal are ready to tell John Kerry to his face that his climate diplomacy is not welcome, what else will Kerry have to talk about?”
Wind surfing?
Exactly. Our Climate Czar is a world class wind surfer. Here’s his promo video …
https://newtube.app/user/RAOB/R8l9API
Hilarious 🙂
He could always tell war stories about Swift Boats … or not.
How to throw medals, and not look like a girl doing it.
He could, but they would be war crime stories.
Kerry has to pull India aboard the anti China camp, as that is the US biggest economical rival. China was bullying on the Himalayan borders while the US bullies India’s global trade relations, like with Iran or Russia: between a rock and a hard place.
People.. persons aren’t so green for Green.
In related news, it is speculated that the richest man who ever lived was a Black Islamic imperial slaver, who, with good, if poorly conceived intentions, wrecked national economies through redistributive change. Such a burden. Not that “burden”.
Elaborate
India leading the world in common sense
India does not want to end up like this, here we go again:
Texas Faces New Power Crisis: Prices Soar 10,000% As ERCOT Urges Power Conservation Amid Grid ‘Emergency’
https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/ercot-may-enter-emergency-grid-prices-spike-cold-blast
So, if you live in the United States, and your area suffers an extreme cold weather event and you use electricity to heat your house, you had better turn off your heating system.
Think of the inanity of that. You buy a furnace and are instructed by the manufacturer to turn it off when you need it most. This is beyond crazy!
India is putting their own enlightened self-interests first. What’s so wrong with that? Doesn’t every nation do the same? The US used to, but since Orange Man Bad, we’re going to bury ourselves.
The only sane voice left in the English-speaking world. India says ‘climate change is important’, but…! They know it’s a neocolonial mechanism for world control and they are gaving none of it. They played along, tufted and glazed a few hectares with windmills and solar panels, while awaiting the 100’s of billions to flow from
addled former world giants who had unaccountably lost their senses. With Covid deployed for the same purpose, that is the last straw.
It’s been clear since China was given a pass by Obama on climate action that the Paris Accord was already toast. The West’s action on climate change is now irrelevant even were it to somehow spend the 90 trillion (destroying itself in the process). The rest of the world’s CO2 emissions are going to overwhelm whatever reductions that the West might muster. We are heading for 500 to 600 ppm CO2 in the atmosphere, peak population, and a lovely green planet. Looking forward to it.
I don’t think I’ll see 500 ppm unless there is real acceleration, soon. I’ll settle for a better garden.
Scissor, the impact of the planned coal fired plants is only beginning. Moreover, some of the formerly poorest countries, like Bangladesh have a couple of modern coal electric plants in operation and they have been enjoying double digit GDP annual growth over the past half dozen years. Check out World Bank figures. Pakistan 8-9% growth and they have lots of coal. Africa south of the Sahara ~3%, Egypt 10%.
The transformation in their economies is phenomenal. Naturally the MSM, UN, EU, etc aren’t reporting this because they don’t want to think about it. They know this is the end of the game. With economic results like this why would they agree to stop? China is funding and building most of these plants because UN and fellow travellers won’t lend for fossil fuel plants. M
Also coming out of poverty means building hundreds of cement and Iron and steel plants, buying millions of cars, airconditioning, refrigerators …. hey, reproducing several Europes and USAs.
I’ve said, for years that the West should have funded those coal powered plants two generations ago and stolen a march on the Chinese. All we did was provide them with forgivable loans that went straight into the Swiss accounts of their political leaders (often ‘Marxist’). The result of being energy poor was a booming charcoal industry, denuded rain-forests and desertification. Oh they got a bonus, 1000s of container loads of old clothes FREE so their own clothing industry was destroyed.
2ppm/yr on average, so 40-50 yrs to 500ppm, hopefully to 600ppm by 2100 for the sake of the plants and plankton.
“The only sane voice left in the English-speaking world.”
That’s a good way to put it.
“it’s a neocolonial mechanism”
The Mayor of London has a Housing Design Advocate called Dinah Bornat. She seems to think that Georgian architecture should be rejected because it resonates with imperialism and is therefore offensive.
https://order-order.com/2021/03/23/sadiq-khans-design-advocate-slams-georgian-architecture-as-colonialism/
Perhaps she could be similarly persuaded that climate alarmism is “a neocolonial mechanism” and get her boss in London to adopt the same attitudes as the Indians towards the “problem”.
Then there are all the academics who rant on about colonialism. Maybe they could be persuaded. Then the fashion for climate alarmism in academic circles might be undermined.
All true, but won’t you feel better about yourself?
Their know that artificially high energy prices will keep their population poor for longer.
The bids for solar energy in India are consistently way below the costs for coal…
Bear in mind that pumping water is a major electricity consumer in India.
And another lie. India and China are building for more coal and hydro. Why? It is real electricity production, not the fake wind and solar you keep spewing lies about.
My question – if people like India’s Sanjeev Sanyal are ready to tell John Kerry to his face that his climate diplomacy is not welcome, what else will Kerry have to talk about?
Here’s what he’s saying so far:
Sanjeev Sanyal, the principal economic advisor to the Ministry of Finance, said climate change is a serious issue
If he came out and said it’s mostly bullshit …..
Then he wouldn’t get the cash that’s on offer.
”’My question – if people like India’s Sanjeev Sanyal are ready to tell John Kerry to his face that his climate diplomacy is not welcome, what else will Kerry have to talk about?”’
He could always try talking about the weather.
I always get a good laugh when I hear these comfortably-ensconced environmentalists trying to lecture Developing nations on what sort of energy sources they should be using and how much of it. Then when we examine the wealthy countries’ energy consumption and lifestyles, we find that they’ve hardly budged in scaling down theirs either. So it’s no wonder that most of African and Asia scoff at any climate demands or recommendations from the West.
India looks at China as a model for prosperity and sees a country ignoring CC diktats while growing their economy and increasing their standard of living. They are neither naive nor stupid.
There are no benefits for developed nations either and the only reason to link the pandemic and the economic recovery is to promote the socialist’s Great Rest.
Socialism/communism is the most destructive form of governance on the planet and we need to resist adopting it.
Thank goodness there’s some sanity left in the world. And no I don’t mean Kerry…
I don’t know where the idea of India as a fossil fuel nation rejecting renewables and the idea of climate change comes from…
India announced that it will be more than doubling its renewable energy target from 175GW by 2022 to 450GW of renewable energy by the same year.
India is one of the countries with large production of energy from renewable sources. As of 27 November 2020, 38% of India’s installed electricity generation capacity is from renewable sources (136 GW out of 373 GW).
In the Paris Agreement India has committed to an Intended Nationally Determined Contributions target of achieving 40% of its total electricity generation from non-fossil fuel sources by 2030.The country is aiming for even more ambitious target of 57% of the total electricity capacity from renewable sources by 2027 in Central Electricity Authority‘s strategy blueprint. According to 2027 blueprint, India aims to have 275 GW from renewable energy, 72 GW of hydroelectricity, 15 GW of nuclear energy and nearly 100 GW from “other zero emission” sources.
Government of India has also set a target for installation of Rooftop Solar Projects(RTP) of 40 GW by 2022 including installation on rooftop of houses.
As of September 2020, 89.22 GW is already operational, projects of 48.21 GW are at various stages of implementation and projects of 25.64 GW capacity are under various stages of bidding.
India has a strong manufacturing base in wind power with 20 manufactures of 53 different wind turbine models of international quality up to 3 MW in size with exports to Europe, the United States and other countries. Wind or Solar PV paired with four-hour battery storage systems is already cost-competitive, without subsidy, as a source of dispatchable generation compared with new coal and new gas plants in India.
Because they use far more real electric production than fake wind and solar. They make money selling the fake wind and solar crap to gullible fools like you.
Seriously scattered post Griff. Even for you.
Target of 40gw rooftop installed by 2022, but 89gw already operational?
Wind and solar with 4hour battery is one mm above useless.
40hours we can start to talk
4 hours means 100% CO2 back up required
As Texas proved
Would the griff-tard use solar with 4 hours battery (for 1 or 2 lights)
No, griff-turd would NOT ACCEPT this low level of electrical provision.
Yet this is what he expects people elsewhere to have to use.
Such HATRED of EVERYONE.. such slimy disgusting HYPOCRISY.
He could always talk about his Martha’s Vineyard beachfront property.
The last ditch insane attempt , the Great Reset of Prince Charles, who Kerry carries water for, has gone viral – an attempt to rescue the transatlantic financial system. That pandemic could be the trigger not the cause of a crash making 2008 seem like a tea house chat.
If Kerry fails, Delhi might get a call from Buckingham.
India, and China have a common interest – surviving such a crash.
And the USA is key – Glass-Steagall bank separation is critical. It looks like the Biden admin. is rather intent on war in Ukraine with Russia.
So Kerry has plenty to talk about !!
bonbon, You are writing as if everybody knows what you are talking about. Perhaps a link or two to clue us in. Don’t get me wrong, it all sounds interesting. Just need details.
Climate change is about as serious as the whu who flu, both are nothing but a ruse to gain total control over the populace of the planet.
First of all, it’s not a flu. Please quit using that term, even derisively. People are actually dying from SARS-CoV-2 but who is really dying from climate change.
BTW – saying SARS-CoV-2 is real is not the same as saying it’s the return of the plague as portrayed by our media.
It is a flu strain. A certain % of any give population is going to die from flu strains, just as they will from pneumonia or any other respiratory ailment. Quit pretending Chinese Disease is some special super plague, it is a flu strain.
Real people, such as those running India, know the climate is just fine. It is doing precisely what it has been doing for millennia.
Actually, the best climate in ~800 years. People with intelligence know that.
They are still putting in windmills too, got to have some virtue signalling, can’t be all realism I suppose.
After Mexico decided that their future is in coal yesterday, and India refuses to tie economic development to climate change today, we just have to admit that the Mexicans and Indians are smarter than our government.
Yes. No-one outside the US, the UK and Australia actually believes in the so called Climate Crisis. I am not even sure those people seriously do.
Look at their behavior, not what they say. The Chinese, for instance, if Global Warming was real, they would be the greatest sufferers as well as being the main cause of it. Are they acting like they believe its real?
Hell no.
Damn the facts, full-speed ahead to green oblivion for the USA. The big money men of the left demand payback from the Democrats and they want to act on the so-called “climate emergency” now.
It’s going to get worse for us. Biden and Kerry want a deal with China so badly they will give major concessions to China now in exchange for some future climate action later. Make no doubt, we will put ourselves on a path to geopolitical and economic ruin while China continues moving on checked towards global domination.