Michigan Gov. Whitmer: Hoisted by her own pipeline petard!

Guest “irony can be so ironic” by David Middleton

Enbridge foe Whitmer declares Michigan energy emergency
Ian Vandaelle, BNN Bloomberg

Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer has stood out as one of the most vocal opponents of Enbridge Inc.’s Line 5 project, which is the state’s main source of home heating fuels. Now, however, she’s declared a state of emergency amid a bitter cold snap in her state – and is warning that a spike in energy demand for home heating fuels like propane has put a strain on state-wide distribution.


Enbridge Inc.’s Line 5 pipeline delivers about 65 per cent of the propane consumed in the state’s upper peninsula, and 55 per cent of Michigan’s total supply.

Last November, Whitmer moved to revoke the pipeline’s permit, arguing the project – especially a section running beneath the Great Lakes through the Strait of Mackinac – presents an “unreasonable risk” to the state.

BNN Bloomberg

How stupid does a politician have to be to try to shut down their state’s main source of home heating fuel right before winter? They would have to be doubly stupid to do this in a state with real winters, like Michigan. As bad as the Texas energy disaster was, the freezing weather that triggered it only lasted about 10 days.

Whitmer moves to shut down Enbridge’s Line 5
Beth LeBlanc
The Detroit News, Nov. 13, 2020

Lansing — Gov. Gretchen Whitmer is moving to shut down Line 5 by revoking and ending a 1953 easement that allows Enbridge Energy to run the dual pipeline through the Straits of Mackinac.

The announcement was welcomed Friday by environmental groups as protecting the Great Lakes and attacked by neighboring Ohio’s governor and energy groups as costing jobs and raising fuel and heating prices for consumers. 

The Democratic governor said Friday she has filed a lawsuit seeking validation of the action in Ingham County Circuit Court. Enbridge must shut down the pipeline by May under the notice. 


The Detroit News

While the order would have allowed the pipeline to operate until spring, how were Michiganders supposed to heat their homes next winter? The section of Line 5 running through the Straits of Mackinac will eventually be replaced by pipelines running through The Great Lakes Tunnel; however this hasn’t even been fully permitted yet.

The Great Lakes Tunnel Project

On Dec. 19, 2018, Enbridge announced that it had reached an agreement with the Mackinac Straits Corridor Authority (MSCA) on the future of Enbridge’s Line 5 light oil and natural gas liquids (NGL) pipeline at the Straits of Mackinac.

The Great Lakes Tunnel, a $500-million private investment by Enbridge in Michigan, will be built deep under the Straits to house Line 5. While Line 5 has operated safely and reliably in the Straits for more than 65 years, the Great Lakes Tunnel will be bored through rock, as much as 100 feet below the lakebed—virtually eliminating the chance of a pipeline incident in the Straits.

The Great Lakes Tunnel is a massive undertaking. It will be built by Michigan labor, and harness the knowledge and experience of industry-leading tunnel engineers. Pending receipt of necessary permits and approvals, Enbridge anticipates beginning construction of the Great Lakes Tunnel in 2021 to house a replacement Line 5 segment in the Straits.


Enbridge has secured permits from Michigan Department of Environment Great Lakes and Energy (EGLE), but still need approvals from the Michigan Public Service Commission and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers before they can begin construction.

Gov. Witless and the same gaggle of environmental terrorist organizations have been opposing those permits as well. This literally is state-sponsored environmental terrorism…

Whitmer, Nessel lose as appeals court upholds Line 5 tunnel law
Karen Bouffard
The Detroit News, June 11, 2020

Lansing — The Michigan Court of Appeals has unanimously upheld the constitutionality of a law to let Enbridge build a tunnel to house the 66-year-old Line 5 under the Straits of Mackinac — another setback for Attorney General Dana Nessel’s quest to stop the operation of the oil pipeline.


The Detroit News

These greentards are literally kill people in order to shut down pipelines.

Line 5 has operated without incident for nearly 70 years…

About Line 5
Energizing Michigan since 1953.

As it travels under the Straits of Mackinac, Line 5 diverges into two, 20-inch-diameter, parallel pipelines. This is why people sometimes call the pipeline system the “dual” or “twin” pipelines. They start underground onshore, taper deep underwater and cross the Straits for 4.5 miles.

The products moved on Line 5 heat homes and businesses, fuel vehicles, and power industry in the state of Michigan.

Line 5 supplies 65% of propane demand in the Upper Peninsula, and 55% of Michigan’s statewide propane needs. Overall, Line 5 transports up to 540,000 barrels per day (bpd) of light crude oil, light synthetic crude, and natural gas liquids (NGLs), which are refined into propane.

Built in 1953 by the Bechtel Corporation to meet extraordinary design and construction standards, the Line 5 Straits of Mackinac crossing remains in excellent condition, and has never experienced a leak in more than 65 years of operation. The Line 5 crossing features an exceptional and incredibly durable enamel coating, and pipe walls that are three times as thick—a minimum of 0.812 inches—as those of a typical pipeline. What’s more, the Bechtel Corporation—renowned for the iconic Hoover Dam—designed and built Line 5 in an area of the Straits that would minimize potential corrosion due to lack of oxygen and the cold water temperature. This setting contributes to preserving the integrity of Line 5, which has enabled it to serve the region safely and reliably for more than six decades.

We’re working hard to keep it that way. We monitor the Line 5 Straits crossing 24/7, using both specially trained staff and sophisticated computer monitoring systems. We also carry out regular inspections of the line, using inline tools, expert divers, and remote operating vehicles (ROVs), going above and beyond regulatory requirements.

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February 24, 2021 2:07 pm

Once again, interesting and entertaining! THANKS, David.


PS: Your opening, “Guest “irony cab be so ironic”… made me chuckle.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  David Middleton
February 24, 2021 7:33 pm

That’s my line!!!
From Airplane 2

Tim Gorman
February 24, 2021 2:11 pm

Democrats of today are a pox on the Earth. They won’t be happy till they engineer multiple massive die-off events. Then they will blame it all on racist GOP voters an don Trump.

Reply to  Tim Gorman
February 24, 2021 3:18 pm

Progressives are even worse.

Reply to  john
February 24, 2021 4:05 pm

According to recent testimony by the guy in charge of capital hill security. The riot started about 20 minutes before Trump’s speech did.
So much for the claim that Trump’s speech caused the riot.

Reply to  MarkW
February 24, 2021 8:36 pm

Hmm, no one on conservative radio mentioned that today. Do you have a link?

John Endicott
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
February 25, 2021 2:19 am

Do grammar nazi’s not know how to use google (or other search engines)?


“The riot began 20 minutes before President Trump finished his speech about the election, more than a mile away at the Ellipse.”

Now to be fair, MarkW misspoke in that it was 20 minutes before Trump’s speech *ended* rather than before Trump’s speech *started* But had you taken the two seconds it takes to google it, you’d have known that without me having to tell you.

M Courtney
Reply to  John Endicott
February 25, 2021 8:40 am

There is a fundamental difference between:
“X could not have caused y because X happened after y.”
“X could not have caused y because X had not finished before y.”

Practical example.
“The burning grass verge could not have caused the tanker to explode as it was not burning until after the tanker exploded.”
Is very different to:
“The burning grass verge could not have caused the tanker to explode as it had not burnt out until after the tanker exploded.”

This was not a grammar mistake or a typo. It was a fundamental difference in meaning.

Paul Penrose
Reply to  M Courtney
February 25, 2021 11:29 am

You also have to consider that it takes a while for a large group to travel a mile by foot. Meaning that the mob that attacked the capitol would have needed to leave when the speech started, or not long afterwords, in order to get there when they did.

Reply to  Paul Penrose
February 25, 2021 5:24 pm

I have been pointing this out to Canadian never-Trumpers literally since January 10, to no avail. It is nice to see someone else finally pick up on the timeframe problem. How long was the mob milling about around the Capital before there was any breach?

Reply to  Paul Penrose
February 27, 2021 9:24 am

Good point.

(Lots of investigation otherwise, including the question of how the rioters were able to find places inside – such as Pelosi’s office – so quickly. Many arrests and charges, a really stupid bunch – openly showing faces, harming their continued employment, harming their marriage. One was quickly divorced by his wife, another was ‘released into the custody of his wife’ – I speculate that may be more awkward than jail. 😉 Also ordered to keep his employment (they have children). Many perps were identified and located quickly, thanks especially to people who recognized them ‘dropping a dime’ to police and FBI. I understand about 400 persons could be charged with something, but police probably won’t bother with all of them. I think priority should be on murderers and those who attempted murder by vicious assault.

John Endicott
Reply to  M Courtney
February 26, 2021 2:48 am

M, the grammar Nazi wasn’t questioning the meaning of the timeline, he was questioning the very existence of the timeline. Something a simple google would have enlightened him about.

And, as for the timeline, as Paul points out. there’s a great deal of distance between where Trump was speaking and where the riot happened. Someone who attended Trumps speech would literally have to have started off for the capitol the moment Trump started speaking (at the latest) in order to reach the capital in time to participate in the breach, and thus missing his so-called “call to action” (which consisted of telling them to protest peacefully and patriotically. The first time in history that a call to “protest peacefully” is considered inciting violence and insurrection. Words have lost all meaning to the left).

Reply to  John Endicott
February 27, 2021 9:26 am

The speech wasn’t broadcast in real time? ‘Interesting’.

Reply to  John Endicott
February 27, 2021 9:40 am

Unfortunately Donald Trump blathered, so his instructions to be peaceful were buried in verbiage. He is not a communicator – that alone cost him the election IMO.

Trump and most security authorities failed to grasp the violent nature of many of the types who did riot, despite indications of past behaviour of their fellow travellers – as in Charlottesville. I read that most are _not_ linked to organizations/networks of white supremacists and other known violent people. But of course Timothy McVeigh was not widely linked IIRC, and Marxism-based types like antifa try to keep networks loose to impeded tracing. Though authorities did identify members of loose eco-terrorist group The Family which burned a ski lodge in Colorado, including a young fem who fled to BC but was convinced

And sometimes perps are extra stupid, examples:

  • rioters in Seattle, Portland OR, and Washington DC who had criminal convictions on record, facial recognition software is handy.
  • French government operatives who did not hide their identity very well when entering [New Zealand] to bomb a Greenpeace ship. Seems to me that basic investigative techniques include asking who would benefit from the act, answer probably was French government given protests against French testing of nuclear weapons in the South Pacific, so check airport entries and hotels. (There was a bunch of French operatives doing pieces of the total caper including importing the bombs and spying, grill one and you many well get leads to others.)
John Endicott
Reply to  Keith Sketchley
February 27, 2021 12:53 pm

It doesn’t matter how much “verbiage” he used. Words, particularily legal words like “incitement” have meaning, contrary to how much you and your friends on the left wish to beleive they mean whatever you want them to mean. And the plain simple fact is that what he told people to do in that speech (protest peacefully) doesn’t meet that bar. it doesn’t even come close.

Reply to  John Endicott
February 27, 2021 9:09 am

Whoa – you made the assertion, you are morally bound to justify it, otherwise it should be considered rumour/speculation/….just like blatherings of climate catastrophists.

John Endicott
Reply to  Keith Sketchley
February 27, 2021 12:14 pm

What assertion are you blathering on about? I can’t “justify” what’s in your head as I’m not a mind reader and don’t know what the heck you are going on about. To borrow from Willis, quote exactly what you are taking issue with if you want to be taken seriously. Fail to do so and I’ll have no reason not to assume you are the troll you appear to be.

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Adam Gallon
Reply to  MarkW
February 25, 2021 12:35 am

It’s what happens when you encourage “Low class things”

Reply to  Tim Gorman
February 27, 2021 9:06 am

Hey – engineers build good things for humans, your proper word is manipulate/attack/con/coerce/…. 😉

February 24, 2021 2:16 pm

I grew up in the UP (Gogebic County, MI) in the 1960’s when they built the Line 5 pipeline across the UP. Not only did it provide an economic boost to the area, it also allowed homeowners to convert to natural gas heat for their homes. Out went those old fuel oil stoves, some old enough to have been converted from coal burning to fuel oil, and in came smaller, more efficient gas furnaces. What a pleasure to have essentially on-demand heat, and not have to worry about running out of fuel oil or having something go wrong with the fuel line that connected the house to the outdoor storage tank…a common occurrence and almost always during a blizzard or sub-zero temperatures. If you lived it you know it. It will be a disaster for the UP if they shut down Line 5, another example of the UP getting the short end of the stick from the sages in Lansing.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  rocdoctom
February 24, 2021 4:04 pm

Living in Michigan, I can tell you that Governor WHitler is no sage. She also doesn’t believe she has to follow the same rules as the ordinary citizens.

J P Kalishek
Reply to  rocdoctom
February 25, 2021 2:32 am

my house was converted from Coal heating. The house I grew up in had propane ubtil the gas line was run in the mid to late ’70s, and we also had a nice wood furnace (can’t have that anymore, too easy to heat the house when the power is out, gotta make wood use electric to heat a house).
It’s been a joy having to live under Gov. Whitless since moving back up here from Texas. But hey, missed all that fun in Texas. Nephews apartment got down to 1f.

josh scandlen
Reply to  J P Kalishek
February 25, 2021 5:34 am

you can have a woodstove at least, no?

Reply to  rocdoctom
February 25, 2021 5:33 am

Maybe this is a good time to have a short term test of the line–you know, one that requires it be shutdown for a day or so to test it.

Reply to  rocdoctom
February 27, 2021 9:49 am

Oil-fired furnaces are a pita, based on my experience with a house one and a camp water boiler.
In 1916 people in the Victoria BC area were burning fences and trees because deliveries of coal were impeded.
(Two weeks of frozen temperatures and deep snow.
Happened again in 1996, at least oil was in most tanks then though of course you had to have the foresight to start winter with a full tank.
Somewhere back then the Seattle area had a week or so below freezing, partly melted snow frozen on the ground, some power lines broken from something. Probably gas lines kept flowing, but many residences in that region have electric heat.
(Even without icing on wires tree branches are a problem due weight of wet snow on conifers. Snohomish County utility north of Seattle is aggressive about trimming trees.)

Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
February 24, 2021 2:17 pm

Incredible as this seems, there is an active program in Ontario to prevent a new pipeline bringing gas to the Toronto area from the north edge of Buffalo. The gas turbine backup stations for the big wind turbine fields west of Toronto towards Windsor and the Bruce peninsula absolutely require this gas to keep the grid stable.

The organisation is called Ontario Clear Air and is funded by at least two wind turbine vendors. Their idea is to put up even more with turbines, cut off the local gas fired balancing (called compensation stations) and have the grid kept stable by hydro power from the James Bay project.

I think they attended the same high school as the Governor of Michigan.

Reply to  Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
February 24, 2021 4:14 pm

Even many of the greenie weenies don’t like James Bay project.

Reply to  Stevek
February 24, 2021 9:06 pm

I still remember the tv news images of herd of drowned caribou resulting from the flooded area of the James Bay project. I’m not a greeny and even more than 20 years later that image still remains with me, and makes me cynical of any energy project, especialy any heavily promoted government project. Trust, but verify. And then verify again…

Reply to  PCman999
February 24, 2021 11:51 pm

What you are saying is that the Caribou were so stupid they did leave an area with rising water. Like the polar bears, seals and walruses that the greenies enlist for their propaganda most of it is fake.

Reply to  chemman
February 27, 2021 9:51 am

Mmm, which way do they run? They don’t have a bird’s eye view to figure out what is going on.

Reply to  Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
February 24, 2021 4:59 pm

Let them all freeze in the dark until they vote out those idiots. They get the government they elected.

Reply to  DrEd
February 24, 2021 6:05 pm

We voted for Donald Trump. We didn’t get the government we elected.

Prolly same/same in Michigan.

Reply to  H.R.
February 25, 2021 6:49 am

Whitler won 17 of 83 counties, breaking 70% in only Wayne (Detroit) and Washtenaw (Ann Arbor) counties.

Reply to  DrEd
February 24, 2021 9:48 pm

Its nice if you actually get a choice but very often both sides are really the same.

J P Kalishek
Reply to  DrEd
February 25, 2021 2:41 am

except for a few counties (with a few exceptions, it’s where the universities are) the U.P. is very much not voting for Dems or Green Commies. The lower third of the state ruins the rest of the place. We had one dem from here in state legislature who turned out not so useless and he ran as a Repub for reelection.

Matthew Siekierski
Reply to  J P Kalishek
February 25, 2021 3:52 am

Hey now, don’t blame all of us trolls. It’s still just large pockets of stupidity, filled with people who wonder why people hunt instead of buying meat at the store so no animals have to be harmed. There are still a lot of us who oppose the stupidity.

Ron Long
February 24, 2021 2:22 pm

Great posting, David. How many people have to freeze in the dark before they remember that there is a winter season, it’s not all CAGW all year long? This type of action, trying to shut down the pipeline, is an invitation to eco-terrorists to vandalize/sabotage the pipeline.

February 24, 2021 2:23 pm

Hey they voted for her. Or a large percentage of the people in the rural areaa chose to be politically apathetic with a belief that it will only affect Detroit and the LP.

Thinking about chickens and roosting…

Reply to  JEHILL
February 24, 2021 4:30 pm

Having just escaped from California, I can point out that more than 40% of Californian residents are not voting democrat, but are consistently outnumbered by our enlightened prog urban areas. In many cases, there are no non-dem candidates, because of the way the voting system has been perverted. Non-dems have a hard time getting on the ballot in many places.

I don’t know about Michigan, but I’m pretty sure that there are a lot of conservative voters there that don’t deserve to freeze because they were marginally outnumbered.

Reply to  Monster
February 24, 2021 6:44 pm

I’m one of those 40%. Could leave, but entire family here, nearby. “Biting the bullet”

Reply to  Monster
February 27, 2021 9:56 am

Doesn’t make sense, people can help conservatives get nominated and elected.

There is a problem of ‘who would want to be in office’ given the viciousness and smear campaigns. Trump had money and nerve.

And many people with money are lefties, like Bill Gates. (I cover smear campaigns in http://www.moralindividualism.com/smear01.tt and http://www.moralindividualism.com/trumprac.htm.

Reply to  JEHILL
February 24, 2021 5:28 pm

iirc, she didn’t even campaign. She was Gerald Ford’ed in.

Reply to  drednicolson
February 25, 2021 6:53 am

She won in a year that had pot legalization on the ballot, which brought out voters not typically politically active. I keep reading that her numbers are good, but she’s the most hated person in the state.

Reply to  cheeflo
February 27, 2021 12:05 pm

Polling results depend on method and the teller. For example if you ask if someone is concerned about climate you’ll get a large Yes response, if you ask if they’d give up their economical heating or their car you’ll get a resounding NO.

I had to tell the Association of Professional Engineers and Geoscientists of BC that surveys using self-selected respondents cannot be accurate as they are not representative of the population.

News media are of course often biased.

And I found that polling outfits are biased, including one Ivy League university and aa long established ‘professional’ survey outfit.

Rud Istvan
February 24, 2021 2:23 pm

Without propane, the UP is toast next winter. Winter is really cold and long up there.
Whitmer is incompetent—but we already knew that from COVID-19.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 24, 2021 3:54 pm

There’s a reason why we call her Witless.

“Wicked Witch of the North” gets a fair amount of play as well.

Reply to  David Middleton
February 24, 2021 5:55 pm

That’s so trans-social.

Abolition Man
Reply to  David Middleton
February 24, 2021 6:15 pm

If you’re going to give tough pop quizzes would you please provide an answer key; I’m having a tough time telling the difference and I actually competed against Jenner in some track meets in college!

Reply to  David Middleton
February 25, 2021 3:45 am

no hes a he regardless of makeup etc

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  David Middleton
February 25, 2021 4:19 am


Reply to  David Middleton
February 25, 2021 5:36 am

With makeup on he looks better than Rachel Lavine.

Reply to  David Middleton
February 25, 2021 6:54 am

Gretchen is how Jenner wanted to look.

Reply to  cheeflo
February 25, 2021 9:17 am

I don’t believe that he really knew what he wanted.

Reply to  David Middleton
February 27, 2021 12:06 pm

While she deserves criticism, even scorn, on point and behaviour, your post is trashy.

Reply to  Keith Sketchley
February 27, 2021 3:48 pm

And like typical conspiracy theories, is not accurate – eyes quite different, nose different, one has more wrinkles including on neck.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 24, 2021 5:46 pm

Well, I should add some stuff. My farm in SW Wisconsin relies on propane for heating and cooking when we are not there to fire the wood fireboxes. The milking parlor standby gen relies on propane, period.
Our mountain cabin in North Georgia relies on winter propane heat and all year cooking, period.

Without bulk propane supply, us at least partly country folks freeze in winter.

Mayor of Venus
Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 24, 2021 8:03 pm

Texas had propane problems too a few weeks ago? I suspect that would be due to the retirement of Hank Hill.

Nick Graves
Reply to  Mayor of Venus
February 25, 2021 12:29 am

Boomhauer spoke more sense than these greentards.

Reply to  Mayor of Venus
February 27, 2021 3:57 pm

Propane is distributed by truck thus affected by road conditions, and by pipeline (like the ones under a strait in Michigan discussed elsewhere in this thread).

It wouldn’t have liquified in TX temperatures though they’d lower the pressure needed to liquify (normal distribution is in liquified form in strong tanks, such as portable cylinders, the big ones on some delivery trucks, and ones at buildings). Perhaps valve problems as with natural gas piping. I don’t know about vulnerability of the pressure regulator on portable tanks and ones supplying buildings if poorly maintained/very old.

John F Hultquist
February 24, 2021 2:23 pm

Does  Gov. Whitmer have multiple sources of energy in her home?

Reply to  John F Hultquist
February 24, 2021 2:41 pm

Does she go to Cancun like Ted Cruz in the depths of winter ?

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Duker
February 24, 2021 3:09 pm

Learn the meaning of non sequitur.

Reply to  Duker
February 24, 2021 3:20 pm

Maybe for a day-trip like Ted did?
He would have been lucky to even get feeling back into his toes in the time he was away.
A press beat-up if ever there was one.

Reply to  Mr.
February 24, 2021 4:09 pm

Reality doesn’t matter to progressives. Truth, lie, all that matters is the cause be promoted and his supply of free stuff is protected.

Reply to  Duker
February 24, 2021 3:33 pm

You have no idea how much we wish she would. And stay. At this point I think we’d way for the relocation fees. She’s turning the rest of our beautiful state into a shifthole.

Reply to  Duker
February 24, 2021 4:07 pm

I know that your hatred of all things not progressive has rotted what little mind you may once have had.
But Cruz flew his daughter and some friends to Cancun then flew right back.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Duker
February 24, 2021 4:14 pm

No, but she re-opened the northwest corner of the state where she has a summer home, and told people from the Detroit area to stay at home and not go north. Rumor has it that it was done in time for her daughter’s graduation party. Her husband then tried to get his boat launched, invoking her position. Fortunately the marina owner is a conservative and it blew up in the Michigan media.

Reply to  Duker
February 24, 2021 4:25 pm

Distance from Cancún to Cabo San Lucas is 2,386 kilometers. This air travel distance is equal to 1,483 miles.
I believe Ted Cruz went to Cabo!

February 24, 2021 4:51 pm

Austin mayor told people not to travel … then went to Cabo to relax.

Cruz thought better of it and didn’t stay in Cancun with family & came home to work.

Duker, not wanting to relax (and having no work), feels the need to stay stressed and keep his panties in a wad so as to feel alive.

Abolition Man
Reply to  DonM
February 24, 2021 6:19 pm

I believe most Progressive panties come pre-wadded to save time and trouble! Some of the elder statesmen do get their knickers in a bunch, however

Reply to  Duker
February 24, 2021 8:49 pm


Ted Cruz doesn’t pretend there is a CO2 problem like these dumbocrat twerps pretend. !

John Endicott
Reply to  Duker
February 25, 2021 2:28 am

How dare Cruz order people not to travel while he then traveled and partied… Oh wait, that was Whitmer who ordered people to stay at home while she opened up the part of the state where she has a summer home so that she could travel there and have a party.

Matthew Schilling
Reply to  Duker
February 25, 2021 1:45 pm

I know, right? I mean, if you can’t get a US Senator to stop by and shovel your driveway how, exactly, are you supposed to get to work!

Also, I am ordering everyone who reads my reply to NOT consider Sen Cruz would probably have had more success speaking on the phone and/or joining Zoom calls from a hotel room in Cancun than trying to the same in TX when the power was out. Don’t even think it.

Reply to  Matthew Schilling
February 27, 2021 12:13 pm

Many politicians were caught travelling over Christmas-New Years, public flashback was huge.

And the neo-Marxist hypocritical Premier of BC rejected advice from his teacher daughter-in-law that a family dinner was not advisable, instead listened to a ‘buddy’ he said. Changed his mind when the public fan began to smell or the Health Minister ‘had words’ with him. The jerk panders but couldn’t see the stench of the optics.

Reply to  John F Hultquist
February 24, 2021 2:46 pm

They like candel-light dinners 😀

Abolition Man
Reply to  John F Hultquist
February 24, 2021 6:16 pm

She burns heretic peasants at the stake when she runs out of other fuels!

H. D. Hoese
February 24, 2021 2:53 pm

+We stayed at a friend’s big lake cottage in the beautiful UP on one late September, left in early October. It had a few solar panels, the few batteries gave a little night light. A tree blew over blocking our exit road. Leaves were already turning, and it got really cold (especially by southern standards) in our propane heated trailer before we left across the Mackinaw Bridge. They had lots of Sphagnum Moss, maybe could burn it like cow chips?

Abolition Man
February 24, 2021 2:54 pm

Thanks for taking the time AND enduring the pain of having to wade through the liberal media propaganda to find nuggets like this! Apparently Queen Gretchen was dissatisfied with the number of peasants she executed with her crazy ChiCom-19 virus diktats, and now wants to see how many she can deep freeze for later use! What exactly she plans to do with them later is still a mystery; who can plumb the minds of insane libtards?

Peter W
February 24, 2021 3:01 pm

Seems to me we have been having quite a few cold spells the past few years with record low temperatures, not all of them in the winter. The cold spell in February of this year was not the first this season if you include the fall, affected every state but the Florida peninsular per my daily inspection of temperature maps of the entire U.S., as well as England (report of the Thames freezing over for the first time in 60 years), Italy (ski championship postponed due to too much snow), the Mideast (snow on the ground in Israel) and Russia (2 foot snowfall in Moscow). Could it be warnings for the next ice age?

Reply to  Peter W
February 25, 2021 3:49 am

after a yr of raveups about the excessive hot summer in Aus?
BoM just admitted this last yr was the coolest and wettest december since 1900 or near. and the rest wasnt really warm either except for WA and parts of qld

February 24, 2021 3:10 pm

U.S. regulator launches review of companies’ climate risk disclosures



WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The acting chair of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) on Wednesday said the market regulator will review public companies’ climate risk disclosures and begin to modernize climate guidance that is now more than a decade old.

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Clyde Spencer
February 24, 2021 3:22 pm

You can’t fix stupid, and it is hard to teach adults things that they should have been taught while still in school. Then, the MSM reinforces the urban myths invented by the poorly educated. It becomes a ‘viscous’ circle!

Abolition Man
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
February 24, 2021 3:44 pm

How high a viscosity are you thinking? Are you seeing heavy weight motor oil or summer weight gear oil? We knew that climate alarmists tend to stick together in their lies and misrepresentations of the truth; maybe now we know why!

Reply to  Abolition Man
February 24, 2021 4:56 pm

the more viscous it is the more difficult it is to get out of.

February 24, 2021 3:25 pm

It’s worse than you think….The tunnel is something Enbridge had to commit to in order to satisfy the desires of those in positions of power who don’t understand pipeline risk analysis. In reality, the tunnel concept isn’t as safe as just making the steel pipe twice as thick, or 4 times as thick….the risk of someone dying in a tunnel at any given time due to tunnel related issues are much higher than one would think.

Reply to  DMacKenzie
February 27, 2021 12:38 pm

The tunnel is for pipes, I don’t know if anyone actually has to go into it these days even during construction – modern tunneling methods like directional drilling used for oil wells now should be able to do it remotely.

A case may be the recent tunneling under Victoria BC’s outer harbour for a big sewer pipe, it was assembled on land then rolled into the tunnel (pipe flexes to the gentle curvature).

Inspection from the inside of the pipe has long been SOP, today with good cameras and better sensing such as advanced eddy current. (On land, aircraft fly the route periodically looking for signs of leaks. Pressure sensing and more shutoff valves, with remote control via cellular/SAT are quite feasible and will be sued by any pipeline owner with sense. I presume liquid sensors will be installed in the tunnel, question becomes how to repair the leak. Note redundancy of the present pair of pipes, but pipes should generally be well separated in case of damage.) That is a long tunnel, Victoria harbour was not, I do not know how big a tunnel they plan.

A small example was a sewer main near me, rather than replacing the wooden stave pipe it was inspected and only 15 feet needed to be replaced.

Today sewer pipes are relined from the inside, some reduction of ID but smoother so probably no more flow friction, but those are low pressure pipes.

TMPX will have three pipes in a tunnel under Burnaby Mountain, near the refinery and ship loading terminal, to reduce impact of widening corridor on housing. I presume one spare as the main line will have two, the new one larger than the half century old one. (Part of the route will have the pipes widely separated for reasons of routing or economics I expect.)

Materials have to be well chosen and tested, and made with quality. A house near me needs replacement of sewer pipe from the street as old material disintegrates (cement-asbestos perhaps). The stave pipe up the street was done well, lots of creosote applied thoroughly I expect.

OTOH, the Chunnel between England and France carries people on trains, one tunnel each direction I think, it and similar tunnels have a third tunnel with simple transportation to extricate people. I dunno, though I have ridden SkyTrain’s Cambie route in Vancouver BC, and people live in skyscrapers.

S. K.
February 24, 2021 3:45 pm

You can’t fix stupid applies north of the border as well when you consider the federal Liberal government seems unconcerned that Ontario’s economy is about to be totally shutdown.

PM Turdeau and Pres. Biden are two of a kind that are applauding Gov. Whitmer’s opposition to the pipeline.


Reply to  S. K.
February 24, 2021 5:09 pm

And doesn’t line 5 supply to ON as well, looking at the map it goes to Sarnia?

Reply to  Tomsa
February 24, 2021 5:31 pm

And also the upgrade to our neighbouring Line 3 to Superior WI is complete in Canada, but still held up by MN. Meanwhile tanker train after tanker train passes through our border town, one of many crossing of crude into the US. Let’s have another Lac Magantic, hope not, but maybe that’s the only way to get safe pipelines approved.

Reply to  Tomsa
February 24, 2021 6:29 pm

That part of Sarnia is called Chemical Valley, chemical plants and refineries as far as the eye can see. The veiw is quite spectacular at night with all of the plants lit up and the reflection shining on the St, Clair river. Some of the waste products is piped back across and burned in power plants.

Reply to  S. K.
February 27, 2021 12:42 pm

I’d fact-check your claim about Trudeau opposing the pipeline, publicly he is upset with Biden for blocking the XL expansion of Keystone. He wants the revenue from taxes and Alberta’s royalties via a strange sharing program Canada has.

The present Keystone is probably carrying diluted heavy oil south to the Gulf Coast for refineries that were built to handle heavy oil from Venezuela. Perhaps Lloydminster area sands formation not heavier Athabaska sands oil.

Isn’t there also a proposal for a ‘Dakota Access Pipeline’ to take oil or gas from the Bakken formation to the US Midwest?

H. D. Hoese
February 24, 2021 3:56 pm

Apparently Mexico is giving up on green, reverse migration? It gets cold in the mountains, even in the lowlands when blizzards happen.

February 24, 2021 4:03 pm

When will we have enough energy related disasters that some politicians will be emboldened to attack the CAGW fraud? Even if you believe in AGW, adaptation is way cheaper than trying to prevent whatever temperature increase is supposedly already baked in.

I think we may already have enough environmentalists willing to call BS on renewable energy to give the politicians some cover.

Reinvigorating the nuclear industry would provide a wonderful boost for the economy.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  commieBob
February 24, 2021 4:47 pm

I am in favor of nuclear, but gen 4 not gen 3 (Voglte and China). We have plenty of natgas to fuel efficient and flexible CCGT for the next few decades. Take the time to really vet all the various gen4 proposals, build a couple of ‘best’ different prototypes to shake out the engineering bugs, then go big when the CCGT needs replacing. See essay Going Nuclear in ebook Blowing Smoke for all the footnoted details.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 24, 2021 6:43 pm

As far as I can tell, America leads the globe in CO2 reductions. This is due to the use of natural gas in CCGT power plants. link

If we want to reduce CO2 even more we can use natural gas as a transportation fuel.

Of course, America’s stellar performance in reducing CO2 emissions isn’t good enough for the greenies. They want us to go to renewables that now have a long track record of not actually reducing CO2 emissions.

As you point out, the only sane course of action is to use natural gas and work hard to improve nuclear technology.

Beta Blocker
Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 25, 2021 9:38 am

Rud Istvan: “I am in favor of nuclear, but gen 4 not gen 3 (Voglte and China). We have plenty of natgas to fuel efficient and flexible CCGT for the next few decades. Take the time to really vet all the various gen4 proposals, build a couple of ‘best’ different prototypes to shake out the engineering bugs, then go big when the CCGT needs replacing. See essay Going Nuclear in ebook Blowing Smoke for all the footnoted details.”

Here in the United States, the NuScale SMR design is the furthest ahead by far in reaching full commercialization. A single NuScale SMR module supplies 77 MWe of electric power. A 12-module 924 MWe plant is slated for full operation in eastern Idaho in 2030.

The Idaho NuScale plant is likely to be the first 4th Generation reactor design to reach full commercial operation in the US, and possibly the first one to reach commercial operation anywhere.

In addition to their 12-module (924 MWe) solution, NuScale will be offering smaller power plant solutions in 4-module (308 MWe) and 6-module (462 MWe) sizes for grid-scale power generation needs.

Much work is now being done by NuScale and its major investor Fluor to reduce the upfront capital cost of a NuScale plant from the currently projected $5000/kw to $3500/kw. Compare this with the AP1000’s current capital cost at Vogtle 3 & 4 of $14,000/kw.

Nuclear-grade quality assurance along with tightly-controlled fabrication requirements for safety class components are a very significant part of the capital cost of a nuclear plant. The regulatory requirements now governing how we design a nuclear power plant will not, and should not, be reduced.

Moreover, the project management discipline needed to deliver nuclear-grade quality assurance is the same project management discipline needed to deliver all of the other key elements of any large-scale high technology construction project.

In addition to managing their nuclear project with an exceptionally focused approach to project management discipline, the NuScale team’s design philosophy controls capital costs by loading the most QA-dependent safety class components into the SMR module itself.

The reactor core, the pressure vessel, the steam generator, and the containment vessel are all integrated into a single 77 MWe unit which can be fabricated offsite in a QA certified factory. 

A NuScale reactor facility doesn’t need to have all modules present for it to go live. A NuScale facility can start out with just one operational module and others can be added later as baseload demand increases.

It’s now recognized by many if not most nuclear construction professionals that the future of new-build nuclear in the United States now depends on the success of NuScale, Fluor, UAMPS, and Energy Northwest in proving that a nuclear project can be delivered on schedule and on cost.

February 24, 2021 4:04 pm

Didn’t the upper peninsula vote for Trump?
Democrats are big on punishing those who don’t support them.

February 24, 2021 4:12 pm

Governments can’t wait to get everyone off gas/oil. Once they get everyone using electrical heat they can jack up the rates and control your thermostat. It is all about getting more money. They don’t even need to pass a new tax.

February 24, 2021 4:49 pm

Surface winds are still set to draw cold air masses to the south, and right through Michigan and the surrounding northern states. They might not have to wait until next winter to find out how vulnerable their state is to cold waves. … https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/overlay=temp/orthographic=-89.20,50.08,1019/loc=-89.523,39.015

Peta of Newark
February 24, 2021 4:51 pm

Its more than stupid, much more.

This is from a thing I’ve linked previously…
“”At the very least, covid-19 might be classified as “social murder,” as recently explained by two professors of criminology. The philosopher Friedrich Engels coined the phrase when describing the political and social power held by the ruling elite over the working classes in 19th century England. His argument was that the conditions created by privileged classes inevitably led to premature and “unnatural” death among the poorest classes. In The Road to Wigan Pier, George Orwell echoed these themes in describing the life and living conditions of working class people in England’s industrial north””

Obviously bloviating about Covid, but what if you just change “covid-19” to ‘responses to climate change

What about those who perished in the Grenfell Tower or in Texas recently?
What about the 1000’s of excess cold-induced winter deaths already seen in the UK, even before Boris & Nutty switch off the UK gas & coal supplies?
Then to truly finish everybody off, the mandatory heat-pumps freeze up solid and crash the grid, as they surely will in this climate.

What about the economic and social damage done to the 4 million people in the UK with worthless houses that cost huge amounts to employ Fire Wardens.
Even more houses becoming worthless & unsaleable because they are NOT stuffed full of highly flammable plastic foam, often coated with aluminium foil. Aluminium is truly grotesque stuff when it starts burning. Watch the Hindenburg smoulder to see what I mean.

What’s gonna happen when Boris’ windmills themselves freeze up?
Especially when they’ve been made UK’s only source of heat, light, power, food storage and transport?

Simply change references to ‘Covid’ to ‘Climate Change’…..
Social m*rd*r, they wrote—elected, unaccountable, and unrepentant
While King Muppet Kerry yowls on about ‘suicide
That has got to be the biggest buck pass yet recorded in this entire train-wreck.
Blame people dying on their own selves

Not stupid. Pure evil.

February 24, 2021 5:19 pm

Shitmer is a one-term Governor (that really is the name many, many Michiganders now routinely call her on social media). She is very widely hated by Michiganders for her harsh COVID lockdowns. Her husband tried to go boating in the middle of one of the lockdowns, further showing her as a “Lockdowns for thee, but not for me” liberal like Gov Newsom of Cali.

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Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
February 24, 2021 6:54 pm

Excuse me, but that’s Governor Gruesome or Screwsome

CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
February 24, 2021 7:08 pm

Shitmer is a one-term Governor (that really is the name many, many Michiganders now routinely call her on social media).

Do they have a recall mechanism in Michigan? The last I heard, there were efforts afoot to recall Newsom in California. You don’t have to wait for the next election if you do have a recall mechanism.

Former Gov. Scott Walker survived a recall here in Wisconsin some years back. He was for first governor to do so IIRC.

Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
February 25, 2021 12:44 am

MI had a recall procedure in 1984, recalled several legislators and almost the Governor at the time, then they changed the procedures to make it harder

Burgher King
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
February 25, 2021 8:45 am

Vote fraud will keep Whitmer as governor, as long as she wants to stay governor, regardless of how much effort is being made to defeat her. Same situation for Newsom and for every other Dem governor of a blue state.

February 24, 2021 5:37 pm

is this about propane or natural gas? I see comments on both.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  kenw
February 24, 2021 7:35 pm

Natural gas liquids
Ie propane and butanes

Reply to  Pat from kerbob
February 25, 2021 9:25 am

butane is a bastard gas… please don’t compare to propane

February 24, 2021 5:58 pm

Karmic irony. That said, let’s see if Texas will clear the Green blight from its landscape, then deregulate and return to best practices of energy production, maintenance, resilience, and service.

February 24, 2021 8:34 pm

I say Wisconsin needs to re-take the Upper Peninsula from the Michigan Invaders!!

February 25, 2021 1:14 am

Leftists have an immutable law that all their stupid policies must ultimately be very harmful and unsustainable to their constituents and society, but beneficial to their various Corporate Oligarchs/NGOs/lobbyists/special interest/free-loading voters.

If we continue down this road, we’ll just end up with a Fascist Oligarchy of Elites running and ruining our lives, and we just become impoverished and enslaved wards of the state..

Oh, goody…. This model has always worked out so well throughout history….

very old white guy
February 25, 2021 3:18 am

I guess freezing to death is now acceptable government policy.

Reply to  very old white guy
February 27, 2021 12:47 pm

Decades ago when the federal government of Canada did something that harmed the petroleum industry in AB, a popular saying was “Let the eastern bleeps freeze in the dark.”

(Albeit ON and PQ now have so much electricity they export much to the US. Big hydroelectric developments plus ON has nuclear plants like Bruce.)

February 25, 2021 4:43 am

How stupid does a politician have to be…? – article

Ummm….. when you use the word “politician” in a sentence, “stupid” is inferred by contact.

Should we tell the rather uninformed “governor” that winters are cold in Michigan and will very likely get colder in the foreseeable future?

Reply to  Sara
February 27, 2021 3:45 pm

Certainly needs to be reminded – but will she listen when her emotions-driven ideology is supporting evasion. She’s comfy, whereas people are hungry and despondent because of obsessive shotgun policies of governors during the panicdemic, while failing to protect the truly vulnerable.

Bon Hagar
February 25, 2021 6:06 am

By rejecting Republican policies that grew the state out of former gov Jennifer Granholm’s (now a Biden cabinet nominee) policies of chasing former MI businesses to Texas, the state’s voters decided to let Texas ‘hold their beer’ while they voted a disastrous democrat cabal at the gov, SecState, and AG. Just to assure screwups could be converted to cover ups.

Burgher King
Reply to  Bon Hagar
February 25, 2021 8:49 am

Could the Michigan upper peninsula succeed and become the Texas upper peninsula?

Reply to  Burgher King
February 25, 2021 10:07 pm

How about we trade the southern 1/3 of WI to Michigan for the UP? They can have Madison & Milwaukee in their liberal state and we will take the Yoopers.

February 25, 2021 6:58 am

Some other fun facts about Line 5.

More people have died due to Mackinaw Bridge than Line 5.

The Mackinaw Bridge was built about same time as pipeline, 1957. If Line five is too old then bridge is too old. Oil, gas, tire dust fall from the bridge everyday, but no one talks of shutting down bridge.

Only spill in strait was from an anchor strike that hit an old telephone cable and a nontoxic mineral oil leaked out.

Weepy Bill has been here with 350dotorg to demand line get shut. He was able to get the local tribal head to start demanding it be closed. The tribal head years ago claimed a spill was imminent. I don’t think he knew what that word meant.

They never explain what will get the needed energy safely to people if Line is shut. Trains and semis are less safe and more of them will be needed.

Burgher King
Reply to  mkelly
February 25, 2021 8:53 am

After the Gretchenator gets through killing some number of her constituents on the upper peninsula, Warren Buffet will make a financial killing transporting energy to the remaining survivors by rail.

Reply to  Burgher King
February 27, 2021 12:51 pm

ROFL. I understand Buffet owns good coal mines in the Powder River Basin of MT/WY.

BTW, I am advised that oil tank cars are seen rolling through Langley BC, SE of Vancouver BC, probably headed for the refineries in NW WA. They now have rail from two directions (oil tank cars have been seen on the BNSF in NW WA, by ship from wherever (such as Alaska), and the spur off of TMP from Alberta.

Citizen Smith
February 25, 2021 9:12 am

Propane? Really? Not natural Gas?

John Endicott
Reply to  Citizen Smith
February 26, 2021 3:04 am

Do you even know what propane is or where it comes from? Hint: it’s refined from natural gas.

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