Biden & Democrats conceal U.S. CO2 decreases of 3.4 billion tons from natural gas

Guest essay by Larry Hamlin

In his first week in office Biden and his Democrats ordered the suspension of leases for fossil fuel development on federal lands and offshore waters and a “rigorous review” of leasing and permitting practices. He also created a civilian “climate corps”, directed federal agencies to procure American-made zero-emissions vehicles for their fleets, and scrapped a permit for the Keystone XL oil pipeline. Biden asked Congress to eliminate fossil fuel subsidies.

The opposition in states such as Texas and New Mexico presages what is likely to be a big issue in the 2022 midterm elections, where Democrats will have to defend or contest seats in moderate congressional districts that rely on oil and gas.   

In September 2020 the Energy Information Administration released a report largely ignored by the climate alarmist main-stream media titled U.S. Energy-Related Carbon Dioxide Emissions, 2019 presenting an analysis of the nation’s CO2 emissions from 1990 marking the 30 years that have passed since the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change benchmark year.

The data showed that U.S. CO2 emissions for year 2019 were down 2.8% from year 2018 or 150 million metric tons (MMmt) with changes in electricity fuel mix being the most important factor resulting in coal-related CO2 emissions declining by 15% or 184 MMmt. 

The most significant fuel mix contribution to this CO2 emissions reduction result was the continued increased use of lower emission higher efficiency natural gas in replacing coal fueled electricity generation followed by increased use of non-carbon CO2 emissions reductions.

Most significantly the report showed that in the period 1990 through 2007 U.S. CO2 emissions had been growing at an average rate of 1.0% per year but that since then growth of CO2 emissions have been declining at a rate averaging 1.3% per year. 

Since peaking in 2007 at 6,003 MMmt U.S. energy-related CO2 emissions have declined by 14.5% or 873 MMmt. 

The decline in CO2 emissions from coal fuel use driven by the electricity fuel mix change to natural gas dominated the decline since 2007. 

U.S. energy-related CO2 emissions from coal declined by more than 50% from 2007 to 2019, more than a billion metric tons. 

Increased use of natural gas in replacing coal power generation significantly reduces CO2 emissions because for the same energy generated lower emissions higher efficiency natural gas reduces CO2 emissions by about 60% compared to coal

The increasing use of non-carbon electricity generation also contributed to the U.S. reduced CO2 emissions since 2007 but not to the same degree as increased use of natural gas.

The EIA report highlighted the extraordinary fact that between 2005 and 2019 the cumulative U.S. CO2 emissions reductions from fuel shifts in electricity generation most significantly from coal to natural gas and also from non-carbon generation totaled 5,475 MMmt. 

Of this total amount 3,351 MMmt of CO2 reductions (61.2%) resulted from decreased use of coal and increased use of natural gas and 2,125 MMmt of CO2 reductions (38.8%) resulted from decreased use of coal and increased use of non-carbon generation resources.

The increased availability of lower cost, higher efficiency and lower emission natural gas was largely achieved through fracking technology that has been incompetently attacked by Biden and his Democrats. These energy ignorant politicians have denigrated the initiative and skill of the nation’s energy producers who have successfully achieved increased natural gas production that allowed huge decreases and economically beneficially CO2 emissions reductions to be achieved.

Biden and his Democrats along with their media enablers have dishonestly concealed from the American people the fact that the increased use of natural gas created 3.4 billion metric tons of CO2 emission reductions, 60% greater reductions than achieved through Government mandated costly renewables during this same period, with these extraordinary benefits achieved while lowering energy costs to consumers.

Biden and his climate alarmist Democrats have initiated a grossly misguided purely political war against natural gas that will deprive the American people of a clean, efficient and cost-effective energy resource that can and should be used to further reduce the use of coal in the future and bring about even greater reductions of CO2 without damaging the economy through ill-advised government mandated use of high-cost unreliable renewables.

California has been pursuing its climate alarmist campaign of reducing CO2 emissions since 2006 by mandating the use of high-cost unreliable renewables while implementing a plan to eliminate the use of all fossil fuels in electricity generation. In 2019 renewable energy accounted for about 32% of the California’s electricity while renewables accounted for about 11.1% of  total U.S. electricity generation. 

In the last decade California average residential electricity rates have risen at 3 times the rate of U.S. average residential electricity rates with present California rates being about 50% greater than the U.S. average.

Additionally California has now reached the point where the excessive use of renewables has created electric grid reliability and blackout problems which plagued the state last summer.

The electric grid reliability problems associated with large use of unreliable renewables also plague EU countries that have foolishly mandated excessive renewable energy use.

Biden, Democrats and their media cabal have concealed from the American people the facts that global CO2 emissions and energy use are completely dominated and controlled by the world’s developing nations that now account for over 65% of the present level of global CO2 emissions with China and India both undertaking huge increases in coal and other fossil fuel use both now and in the future.

Biden’s cabal has concealed from the American people that during the 15 year period addressed in this September 2020 EIA report from 2005 through 2019 the world’s developing nations have increased global CO2 emissions by more than 7.5 billion metric tons (1.5 times total U.S. CO2 emissions) with China’s contribution to this increase being 3.7 billion metric tons. 

Also concealed from the American people is the fact that the world’s developed nations including the U.S. and EU have reduced global CO2 emissions by 1.55 billion metric tons during this same period with these reductions unable to stop the ever-increasing climb of global CO2 emissions controlled solely by the world’s developing nations. 

Additionally, they have concealed from the American people that the U.S. leads all the world’s nations in reducing global CO2 emissions during this period with over 900 million metric tons of CO2 reductions with these reductions achieved most prominently from the increased use of natural gas obtained from fracking technology.       

If Biden and his Democrats continue on their flawed course of mandated high-cost unreliable renewables while trying to destroy the availability of lower cost, higher efficiency and lower emissions natural gas that can effectively and efficiently replace coal fuel the end result will be economically damaging increased costs of electricity for the U.S. while degrading the reliability of the U.S. electric grid and destroying economically productive and necessary energy related jobs.  

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Tim Gorman
February 11, 2021 6:17 am

The Democrats of today are using the very same tactics used by Hugo Chavez to destroy Venezuela. Ki*l the golden goose (energy production), use censorship to keep the people ignorant of reality, use the intelligence services to spy on the people, use the banking system to control the people, and promise a chicken in every pot through properly implemented Socialism. All in the name of a naked power grab.

We have our own example right here in America – take a look at how far Detroit has fallen. Then compare what is happening in so many of our major cities to the path followed by Detroit over the years.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Tim Gorman
February 11, 2021 8:39 am

Speaking of Venezuela:

I watched the My Pillow Guy, Mike Lindell’s video (2 hours) about voter fraud and voter machine fraud during the 2020 presidential election titled “Absolute Proof”.

I’ll summarize:

Lindell showed charts of six contested States in the election, Arizona, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Georgia.

The main categories for each State were:

Margin of victory by Biden

and

The number of illegal or questionable votes cast

Here are the numbers:

Arizona M of V= 10,000 I or Q votes= 660.892

Michigan M of V= 147000 I or Q votes= 633,227

Nevada M of V= 34,000 I or Q votes= 212,508

Pennsylvania M of V= 68,000 I or Q votes= 866,284

Wisconsin M f V= 20,000 I or Q votes= 400,000

Georgia M of V= 10,000 I or Q votes= 1,567,146

You can watch the video if you want a breakdown of those total numbers.

If his numbers are correct, then it is obvious that there were serious problems with how the elections were carried out in all those States.

None of those numbers in their present form, would give the election to Trump because we don’t really know who those voters actually voted for, which is the basic problem.

But if those numbers are correct, then that alone ought to be sufficient evidence for the public to demand that their State legislators correct this situation before the next election takes place.

Then Mr. Lindell went into the alledged vote stealing done using the voting machines.

He says that a group of computer forensic experts started monitoring the internet on November 1, 2020, two days before the election on Nov. 3, and then monitored it for days afterwards, too.

According to Mr. Lindell, there were all sorts of what appear to be foreign actors manipulating the voting machines in the United States all throughout the election.

He shows ip addresses originating from numerous Chinese locations hacking into voting machines all over the country, and this is not limited to Chinese intrusion, but other nations are involved, too, according to Lindell.

My first question about this is how do his experts know the ip addresses are not being spoofed? Do his experts have a way to unveil the spoofers?

He shows records of various ip’s connecting to voting precincts all over the United States, and he even has the number of votes that each connection stole from Trump.

I would like to know how they know how many votes were switched from one place to another.

Mr. Lindell didn’t give enough information to decide about this subject, but a lot of interesting questions were raised, and if he is correct, then foreign actors can control our elections through the manipulation of voting machines that are connected to the internet.

Mr. Lindell claims that Trump got 79,000,000 votes and Biden got 68,000,000 votes. That sounds about right to me. 🙂

We need more evidence before we can take the election away from Biden, but we *can* say our election process has numerous problems that need correction as soon as possible.

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Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 11, 2021 9:18 am

Lindell is a moron.

MarkW
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
February 11, 2021 10:21 am

The typical reaction of a progressive to any information they can’t refute.
Go straight for the ad hominems.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  MarkW
February 11, 2021 10:41 am

There goes Moronic Mark again. Because I speak the truth, Moronic Mark thinks I’m a “Progressive”.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
February 11, 2021 10:53 am

One ad hominem supported by a second is hardly proof of anything but limited intellect. Try supplying some evidence and see how that works for you.

MarkW
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
February 11, 2021 1:46 pm

Thank you for confirming that you have evidence, only insults.
As to whether you are a progressive or not, by their deeds, shall you know them.

fred250
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
February 11, 2021 4:45 pm

Poor broooth.. Why the blind monkey act ???

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MarkW
Reply to  fred250
February 11, 2021 7:41 pm

It’s not an act.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
February 11, 2021 11:51 am

Yeah, I guess building a huge business and employing hundreds of American workers is something only a moron could do.

Richard M
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
February 11, 2021 12:02 pm

Bruce, next time you should actually take a look at the evidence. All you did was give a nice example of pure denial. The really good stuff starts around 1:35 in.

Charles Higley
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
February 11, 2021 1:06 pm

No, he is not. You think Hiden Biden and a running mate no one likes, even the Liberals, can literally NOT campaign and have nothing to offer and the election would still be close? Particularly considering all the good things that Trump has done for the country. That would make you the moron.

The fraud is likely much larger than even this as the vote records were sent to several foreign countries in the process, which is just plain wrong in every way. Why would we EVER send our voting counts to other countries? Right there you should be jumping up and down that the voting was contaminated, the system should totally replaced, and honesty should be demanded and imposed.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Charles Higley
February 11, 2021 3:14 pm

The next bit of evidence I would like to see is to have Lindell’s computer forensic experts walk us through one of those connections from outside the U.S. to a voting machine in an American city.

I presume if they recorded this, and they say they have terabyts of data, then they would have recorded the instructions for what was to take place at the voting machine when the connection was made.

What I really want to see is the end product and the path to how it got there.

Lindell showed specific numbers of votes, which he claimed were stolen from Trump with specific connections to specific machines. I believe his first example showed a figure of 3337 votes stolen from Trump during that particular connection from a foreign ip to an American voting machine.

I want to see the mechanics of all this in detail.

Lindell says Trump got 79,000,000 votes and Biden got 68,000,000. He seems to be implying that he has the actual total vote count. Did he record the whole election, with understanding?

What Lindell has would not win a case in the courtroom, but if I were hearing his case, he would have presented enough interesting items for me to say, “tell me more”.

Mr.
Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 11, 2021 5:43 pm

“tell me more”.

is what the American people deserve.

But I fear they will be denied it.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
February 11, 2021 3:03 pm

What about Lindell’s numbers, Bruce? Are they off the mark? They ought to be easy to verify or not by checking with the various election boards.

MarkW
Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 11, 2021 7:42 pm

Biden has assured Bruce that nothing underhanded happened, and that’s enough for Bruce. Anyone who disagrees with Biden is a traitor.

Charles Higley
Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 11, 2021 1:09 pm

Also, Trump would have won four of those states with only 80,000 votes. They indeed had to truly stuff the ballot boxes to make JO Blow win. There is good reason he and his VP vampire did not really campaign, but were always smiling. They KNEW the fix was in.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Charles Higley
February 11, 2021 3:01 pm

You know, it stuck me as odd when several months before the election took place, the Leftwing Media started bugging Trump about whether he would accept defeat if he lost the race. It was almost like they knew a fix was in and wanted to gauge his reaction at such a situation. I say almost, because I don’t know, but it is odd.

David Kamakaris
February 11, 2021 6:27 am

The powers that now be are all well aware of the significant reduction in CO2 emissions. They don’t care. It doesn’t matter. It’s inconsequential. Given enough time and media complicity which exists in abundance, enough mouthpieces like the ones who pollute this blog with their misinformation, it won’t exist.

Orange Man bad. End of discussion. Now on to Venezuela at Warp Speed.

Coach Springer
February 11, 2021 6:33 am

Drill, Baby, Drill leads to world’s greatest reduction in CO2 emissions. Biden stops all that.

Nuff said.

gbaikie
Reply to  Coach Springer
February 11, 2021 2:30 pm

Using more nuclear power, could get an greater reduction.

I think Biden was favorable to nuclear energy, before he was “elected”, but like all politicans, he is incompetent, a coward, and liar {and a sleepy, lazy, traitorous, perverted thief- but other than that- he is ok}.

OweninGA
Reply to  Coach Springer
February 11, 2021 6:52 pm

the purpose is not CO2 reduction. It is to establish a windfall cash flow for wall street that only a “carbon market” can provide.

GeologyJim
February 11, 2021 7:01 am

“What difference at this point does it make?!” – H. Clinton

This article is a good summary of the deception game played by the left/media/Swamp cabal, but WUWT readers know CO2 does not control climate in any meaningful way.

One full degree F of warming from 1880 to 1940 with no significant change in CO2. QED.

That’s the message we all should be pushing relentlessly – the only “Social Cost of Carbon” is the damage done by reducing productivity and raising costs, especially on the poor.

griff
February 11, 2021 7:29 am

Additionally California has now reached the point where the excessive use of renewables has created electric grid reliability and blackout problems which plagued the state last summer.’

Again this? It isn’t true: the record demand during a heatwave plus the terrible state of the Californian grid entirely unrelated to renewables caused the problems. Similar problems occurred during the last record heatwave with far more fossil fuel on the grid.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  griff
February 11, 2021 7:57 am

plus the terrible state of the Californian grid entirely unrelated to renewables “

The terrible state of the CA grid goes right along with the push for renewables. CA is dependent on out-of-state electricity. They have *always* been dependent on out-of-state electricity. It’s the NIMBY mindset taken to dangerous levels.

Other states suffered during the very same heatwave yet didn’t have to depend on blackouts and brownouts to make it through.

Reply to  griff
February 11, 2021 8:11 am

Griff,

Heat waves only became a problem once California broke the grid with unreliable renewables. The malfeasance resulted in increasing electric prices through the roof in a futile attempt to reduce demand in order to cover up their lack of planning. People and businesses are leaving the state in droves, which is the human response to bad planning resulting from bad governance and higher energy prices will not keep anyone from leaving.

You need to come to grips with the fact that a green ideology poisons brains and leads to dangerously counterproductive policies much in the same way that TDS turns the brains of otherwise intelligent people into mush. The common denominator is a far left idocracy driven by fake emotional arguments rather than forward thinking logic.

There’s a good reason I left Taxifornia as climate policy refugee. I now pay less per KWH than the green surcharge on my last PGE bill, about $1 less per gallon for gasoline and about half the price for natural gas.

Frank from NoVA
Reply to  griff
February 11, 2021 8:15 am

Actually it is true. If you knew anything about public utilities, you’d know that they’re regulated by public utility commissions (PUCs). You’d know that PUCs are politically motivated and in “progressive” states like California push intermittent green energy. You’d know that PUCs also need to keep an eye on customer rates lest they lose political support. You’d know that public utilities, in order to offset the PUC-imposed cost of intermitent green energy delivery without passing these costs on to customers, have to make cuts in their maintenance and investment programs. You’d know that reduced maintenance and investment is why fuel builds up in delivery right-of-ways and why outdated transmission lines are still in service. You’d then know that fuel build up and outdated equipment results in the “terrible state of the California grid. But then you don’t know anything.

MarkW
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
February 11, 2021 8:38 am

griff only knows what his handlers tell him to know.
Independent thought is neither wanted nor possible.

Reply to  Frank from NoVA
February 11, 2021 8:41 am

What about lax requirements for environmental impact studies regarding permits for wind farms and solar farms which are a blight on the environment vs. the years of expensive red tape to get a permit for a fossil fuel or nuclear power plant, if one could even be obtained under any circumstances. Of course with the ongoing California exodus, the black out problem may eventually fix itself.

Frank from NoVA
Reply to  co2isnotevil
February 11, 2021 9:58 am

Also an issue that can be traced back to progressive PUCs. Strictly anecdotal, but I see many more solar farms in sun-challenged New England than in sun-drenched Florida. Probably because FP&L, notwithstanding its ownership by NextEra Energy, is regulated by the no-nonsense FPUC.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
February 11, 2021 8:36 am

One constant with griff. No matter how many times his lies are refuted, he keeps trotting them out.

Reply to  griff
February 11, 2021 9:17 am

Again this, griff ? You know you are wrong, we stated that the last time you wrote nonsense about CA, and we say it again.

fred250
Reply to  griff
February 11, 2021 12:17 pm

AGAIN, griff in DEEP DENIAL !

Like its DENIAL on climate change.

FACTS can never intrude onto its lack of awareness.

Griff’s posts are now either DENIAL or DELIBERATE LIES.

Larry Hamlin
Reply to  griff
February 11, 2021 1:59 pm

The state of California had been shutting down natural gas powered power plant trying to cook the books to show how the system was running on renewables.
The ISO admitted that the state was short of needed in state non renewable generation to meet acceptable reliability standards for its electric system.
The CEC scheduled shutdown of additional gas power plants was delayed as consequence of this debacle.
The ISO sent a order to the CPUC to provide additional generation.
Part of running a reliable electric system is being able to support heat waves, power outages, transmission outages, etc with adequate resources. The excessive amount of renewables was totally responsible for the summer 2020 blackouts in California. Claims otherwise are bunk.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Larry Hamlin
February 11, 2021 5:50 pm

On top of all this, the insane Democrats now want to also ban natural gas utility connections for new construction.

griff
February 11, 2021 7:31 am

I’ve never seen any denial that US natural gas use reduced CO2 by edging out coal… it is a frequent theme in discussions on renewables -along with recommendations to ditch all the coal, because that’s not nearly enough.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  griff
February 11, 2021 7:51 am

The author is referring to the Democrat leadership when he says they are hiding how good the U.S. is doing with CO2 under our current energy plan.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 11, 2021 9:19 am

Good done by Trump can’t be good at all. TDS in perfection.

David Kamakaris
Reply to  griff
February 11, 2021 7:52 am

“because that’s not nearly enough.”

Enough for what, Griff?

Reply to  David Kamakaris
February 11, 2021 8:33 am

Enough to cancel reality.

Lrp
Reply to  David Kamakaris
February 11, 2021 2:44 pm

Enough for socialism

MarkW
Reply to  griff
February 11, 2021 8:39 am

If that were true, why would the Democrats be fighting so hard to reduce the supply of natural gas?

Reply to  griff
February 11, 2021 9:21 am

That’s why “own” gas will be banned ?

fred250
Reply to  griff
February 11, 2021 12:21 pm

You insipid twerp, griff.

USA needs reliable energy

Shut off Gas, where will that RELIABLE energy come from…

not from wind or solar, even a moronic fool like you must know that by now,

Back to COAL.

Lrp
Reply to  fred250
February 11, 2021 2:47 pm

griff is a chinese bot

Lrp
Reply to  griff
February 11, 2021 2:43 pm

How about nuclear edging out garbage solar and wind generation?

OweninGA
Reply to  Lrp
February 11, 2021 6:57 pm

If we could get the green groups to stop lawfaring the construction to death, that could be possible. The nuclear industry pays their legal teams more than they do the construction companies due to being in court every other day.

Latitude
February 11, 2021 7:39 am

it’s a scam and not about CO2 at all…..

…it’s nothing more than moving money

you can’t say something is so dangerous….and then turn around and make every excuse in this world for china to increase it……

India is just riding on China’s coattails…..it’s all about the UN/IPCC/China

…and the most recent > UN/IPCC/WHO/China

Last edited 3 months ago by Latitude
OweninGA
Reply to  Latitude
February 11, 2021 6:59 pm

If you consider that it isn’t about CACA at all, but about making a few politically connected wall street firms a huge sum of money managing the “carbon markets”, you get a much better understanding of where this is going.

Jeff Alberts
February 11, 2021 8:30 am

Biden and his Democrats along with their media enablers have dishonestly concealed from the American people the fact that the increased use of natural gas created 3.4 billion metric tons of CO2 emission reductions, 60% greater reductions than achieved through Government mandated costly renewables during this same period, with these extraordinary benefits achieved while lowering energy costs to consumers.

There is no benefit.

MarkW
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
February 11, 2021 7:44 pm

Tell that to the owners of Solyndra. They made millions.

Joel O'Bryan
February 11, 2021 8:52 am

Biden and the Democrats are jeopardizing US National Security as they destroy Energy Dominance that freed us from foreign oil dependence and secure supplies of natural gas for clean electricity. They are committing the US to sub-servitude to China by demanding we double then triple of current installed fleet of wind turbines and solar panel grid scale installations.
The turbines and the solar panels they are demanding are highly dependent on China’s global domination of rare earth minerals and industrial capacity to manufacture PV solar panels as well as China’s vast use of coal to power their industries that manufacture those items.
The Democrats’ demands for EV mandates to replace ICE vehicles and the associated batteries will cause massive spikes in the costs and environmental impacts of acquiring the necessary lithium and cobalt from places like Chile and Central Afric as demand for those resources goes off the chart under the Democrat’s green lunacy.

Buck Fiden. Buck the Femocrats.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
February 11, 2021 10:51 am

And astronomical amounts of copper to hook them all up.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
February 11, 2021 11:59 am

Plus digging up every single street in America with on-street parking in order to place cables for the charging ports. Where is Pete’s name is all the concrete and asphalt going to come from to repair all of this?

Gordon A. Dressler
February 11, 2021 9:01 am

During his campaign to be US President, Joe Biden looked America in the eye (via television coverage) and promised to “follow the science” if elected to be President. The above article lays out the fact—clearly and directly—that Biden was outright lying on his promise!

We now have direct evidence that our current President, less than one month after he took office, conforms to the old adage: “How can you tell when a politician is lying? . . . his lips are moving.”

gringojay
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
February 11, 2021 9:37 am

president Biden* & the Democrats are adamant that we believe in science – just not, you know, that chromosome thing.

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AGW is Not Science
Reply to  gringojay
February 11, 2021 12:43 pm

“Believing in science” applies only to “approved” (by them) science – which of course means the “climate crisis” that has absolutely no empirical support whatsoever but “scientists” “say so.”

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
February 11, 2021 2:20 pm

Biden wouldn’t know science from Scientology. He simply attempts to repeat what he’s told to. The man hasn’t had an original thought in years.

Greg White
February 11, 2021 9:30 am

In the last decade California average residential electricity rates have risen at 3 times the rate of U.S. average residential electricity rates with present California rates being about 50% greater than the U.S. average.” It would be much higher if they didn’t buy 33% of their electricity from neighboring states.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Greg White
February 11, 2021 12:44 pm

They’d have a lot more blackouts, too!

Rud Istvan
February 11, 2021 10:03 am

Some explanatory reference numbers. There is only one supercritical coal plant in the US, Turk in Arkansas. Its thermal efficiency is 41%. The rest are older conventional, and FERC says they average 32%. CCGT is 61%.
Stoichiometric combustion of CH4 uses 3O to produce 2 H2O and 1 CO2. Those same 3O combusted with coal (C) produce 1.5 CO2.

Combine the two ([32/61]/1.5) and CCGT produces 0.35x the CO2 of conventional coal.

The average life of a coal plant is about 42 years. FERC says about 1/3 of the existing fleet will be retired by 2025. The replacements plus any growth in capacity is all CCGT. 2 years rather than 4 to complete, $1500/kw versus about $3500/kw for conventional or $4000/kw for supercritical coal, and a lower fuel cost per kwh at any natural gas price under about $8/MMBtu (compared to Powder River Basin steam coal supplying Turk). Currently about $3. No brainer.

Peta of Newark
Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 11, 2021 1:04 pm

Rud, you’re confusing yourself and everyone
The efficiency of a Power Station is not dependant on the amount of CO2 it creates

Nice timing of the Cumbrian Coke Mine as well – because said coke is heading off to steel foundries.
Why coke? Why not natural Gas to make steel

While we’re here, why is/was Acetylene such good stuff for cutting and welding steel?
Why don’t home gas hobs and boilers/furnaces melt while using NG?

Stuff the CO2 Squirrel
Coke burns, in oxygen, at a temperature of 2,000 Kelvin or more, coke burns with dazzling & literally dangerous (to human eyes) & blinding White Heat without much effort at all.

Apply Carnot’s Heat Engine Law, with a ‘puny’ input temp of 2,000K, plus the usual Cooling Tower output of 300K and you get an efficiency of Eighty Five per cent for Heat > Electickery production

Burning coke to make electricity thus means 15 % of the energy in your fuel goes into the exhaust – compared your best of 65%
That is your Best Shot, Natural Gas will not burn any hotter while coke (viz: coal shown a bit of respect and burned properly) is just warming up at at 2000K and 85% efficiency

That’s before you created the coke initially, heating coal gives a plethora of useful, high energy stuff, not least for the chemical and pharmaceutical industries

Wasn’t it Coke Ovens where the Sulphabimidenes (sp) originated – how many chickens/chooks have had their lives saved, and still do get saved, because of that stuff
How many human lives have been saved & improved by all those chickens and eggs?

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Rud Istvan
Reply to  Peta of Newark
February 11, 2021 2:35 pm

Peta, with due respect I have confused nothing. See my essay Clean Coal in ebook Blowing Smoke. In this comment, I clearly separated thermal efficiency (How much fuel produced heat per kwh) from CO2 per unit fuel heat in MMBtu, using specifically Powder River steam coal versus nat gas as the comparators. Then gave the combo math to put the two separate observations together to calculate CO2 per kwh.

Or, put purely verbally, a more thermally efficient plant burns less fuel of whatever kind. And burning methane produces less CO2 per unit heat than burning coal, because part of the methane combustion product is water. Both work to advantage CCGT over coal.

And that is before considering the overwhelming CCGT economic advantages outlined in my last comment paragraph.

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Peta of Newark
February 12, 2021 7:16 am

Peta of Newark posted: “Apply Carnot’s Heat Engine Law, with a ‘puny’ input temp of 2,000K, plus the usual Cooling Tower output of 300K and you get an efficiency of Eighty Five per cent for Heat > Electickery production.”

This is very misleading. Carnot’s “Heat Engine Law” is a mathematical equation for the maximum amount of energy that could possibly be extracted from a thermodynamic cycle that has no entropy losses. Such a process is never achievable in reality. And there is a lot of entropy loss in just converting heat-to-mechanical power-to electrical power.

Typically, the highest combustion heat energy-to-electricity processes at utility scale are provided by CCGT technology, with less than 65% overall efficiency. (For example, see https://www.powermag.com/worlds-most-efficient-combined-cycle-plant-edf-bouchain/ )

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Michael in Dublin
February 11, 2021 10:09 am

A spoilt child who cannot get his way may be prepared to go on a destructive rampage without considering the consequences. Biden is an old man who should have gained some wisdom over the past 78 years. However, he is so convinced only his views can guarantee a utopia – despite his dismal past failures – that he is willing to inflict enormous harm on the US to achieve this end.

No good can come from folly on steroids.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
February 11, 2021 10:12 am

A spoilt child who cannot get his way may be prepared to go on a destructive rampage without considering the consequences.”

Unfortunately that also describes Trump in the days leading up to Jan 6.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
February 11, 2021 10:45 am

TraitorTrump deserves to be hanged for what he did.

TonyG
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
February 11, 2021 11:02 am

Anthony & moderators,
I know WUWT doesn’t make a habit of removing comments, but I think this sort of rhetoric does not have a place here.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  TonyG
February 11, 2021 11:33 am

If that is the case, then neither should treasonous rhetoric be allowed. I would be more than happy to stop calling out the morons who believe the election was a “fraud”, if the morons would just stop.

TonyG
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
February 11, 2021 12:36 pm

I only said something, and to the moderators here, not you, because I think you crossed a line that I haven’t seen the others cross. You add nothing to the discussion here; all you do is call people names. You present yourself as nothing more than a pathetic petulant child who appears to be incapable of engaging in meaningful, intelligent discussion.

Go on and call me a moron, so you can get in the last word, just like a whiny child. Or maybe get creative and call me poopy-face. Either way, I’m not going to waste any further time on you.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
February 11, 2021 1:00 pm

What is your plausible explanation for fractional vote counting with floating point numbers?

Tim Gorman
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
February 11, 2021 1:02 pm

We are now beginning to see reports of the voting fraud perpetrated in Georgia. Criminal referrals have just been made to the Att Gen. Think Abrams and Warnock.

Tell me again who the morons are?

bigoilbob
Reply to  TonyG
February 11, 2021 2:20 pm

Too weak. Any death threats or death wishes should result in immediate banning from the forum. OTOH, silly, fact free clams about claims about even remotely significant election fraud are harmless delusions, unless you use them to incite treasonous acts. W.r.t. those, KYSO…..

MarkW
Reply to  bigoilbob
February 11, 2021 4:48 pm

Plenty of facts presented. JUst because you are blinded by your ideology does not mean that others have no facts. Just that you refuse to look.

bigoilbob
Reply to  MarkW
February 11, 2021 5:38 pm

Plenty of facts presented.”

And yet neither you nor any other posters in this forum have presented any that can withstand superterranean scrutiny. But go on ahead and continue the fact free whining that has characterized so many posts for the last 3+ months. Coincidentally, ~3 months after a post was written explicitly to provide you all an opportunity to whine it off your chests and then get back to AGW denial. FYI, you are part of the same bunch who name called those who pressed for a Florida recount in what was an actually close election 20 years ago.

All that being said, continue the fact free male bonding session. Maybe that tattooed terrorist can supply the drum beating…

MarkW
Reply to  bigoilbob
February 11, 2021 7:50 pm

The evidence has been presented, just because you refuse to look doesn’t make it weak. It just shows that you are so addicted to your ideology that you are no longer capable of thinking for yourself.

As to AGW, what denial, most of us admit that doubling CO2 will cause the world to warm up by a few tenths of a degree. The problem for you is that actual science shows that a few tenths of a degree is beneficial, as is more CO2.

Are you actually as stupid as you sound? A grand total of nobody ever denied that the FL/2000 was’t close.

The problem is that the recount Gore was trying to force on the state was both illegal and unconstitutional. The Supreme Court agreed with that by 7 to 2. The 5 to 4 decision was on whether there was enough time left to order a state wide constitutional recount.

BTW, Bush won every single recount that was conducted by various media groups over the next year or so.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
February 11, 2021 11:56 am

Bruce,

What exactly do you think he did?

  1. Abraham accords
  2. Lowest minority unemployment *EVER*
  3. wage increases for the poor outpacing that of the 1%
  4. No losses to enemy fire in Afghanistan in 2020
  5. No new foreign wars
  6. Moving the Israeli embassy to Jerusalem
  7. Making America energy independent
  8. Defending religious liberty
  9. Curtailing illegal immigration
  10. Approving the Keystone pipeline
  11. Exposing the Russia-gate debacle done by the Deep State and Dems

Yeah, all of these were hanging offenses – if you are a Democrat

Juan Slayton
Reply to  Tim Gorman
February 11, 2021 2:35 pm

12. Appointing honest judges.

Lrp
Reply to  Tim Gorman
February 11, 2021 2:51 pm

Bruce is offended by hirr styles

fred250
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
February 11, 2021 12:26 pm

WOW, your Trump DERANGEMENT is OFF THE CHARTS.

You need serious psycho-logical help !

MarkW
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
February 11, 2021 1:50 pm

Objecting to having an election stolen is traitorous?
Your hatred of the man who has been more successful in life than you could ever hope to be, has completed rotted what little brain you may have once had.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
February 11, 2021 10:47 am

The democrats are a criminal enterprise.

Climate believer
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
February 11, 2021 11:22 am

Ah c’mon Jeff…

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Tim Gorman
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
February 11, 2021 11:50 am

I guess Trump giving minorities the best employment figures EVER was a destructive rampage. I guess Trump raising poor people’s wages by 4.5% (best 30 years) was a destructive rampage. I guess Trump not getting us in any more foreign wars (0 losses by the enemy in Afghanistan in 2020 – first time in almost twenty years) was a destructive rampage. I guess Trump taking on China and bringing at least some manufacturing back to America was a destructive rampage. I guess the Abraham accords were a destructive rampage. I guess finally making America energy independent was a destructive rampage.

Hint: Letting TDS make you willfully blind is not a survival trait.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Tim Gorman
February 11, 2021 1:02 pm

Like the toro which sees nothing but the rojo cape.

MarkW
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
February 11, 2021 1:52 pm

Pointing out all the flaws in our current election system and pointing out the Democrats took advantage of all of them, is acting like a spoiled child?

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
February 11, 2021 2:26 pm

Trump was the best president in recent history and undoubtedly one of the best of all time. He actually got useful things done. What he was forced to do following the rigged election was not only his right, but more importantly his duty to the millions of taxpayers disenfranchised by all the election tampering.

February 11, 2021 11:18 am

First posted months ago:

I believe that Biden received millions of fraudulent votes. I also believe that if Biden is elected, the Republicans will never win again – the electoral “fix” will be in forever.

To me, this is the end of freedom – Biden is the Manchurian Candidate, owned by the Chinese Communist Party.

Last edited 3 months ago by ALLAN MACRAE
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
February 11, 2021 11:22 am

https://joannenova.com.au/2021/02/time-magazines-extraordinary-admission-the-election-was-no-accident-it-was-fortified-by-a-secret-cabal/

Time Magazine’s extraordinary admission, the election was no accident, it was “fortified” by a secret cabal.

Let the bragging begin — Who manipulated the election to “Save Democracy”? A Corporate Cabal!

Now that the Left have the main levers of power, it’s safe for them to come out and tell the world how important they are. Indeed the race to the top of the vanity pile is on. This is not an accidental admission. When the real game is to get to the top of the pecking order, bragging is part of the plan.

And brag they do. Time actually published this:

THE SECRET HISTORY OF THE SHADOW CAMPAIGN THAT SAVED THE 2020 ELECTION
by Molly Ball, Time Magazine

The Cabal decided the “proper outcome” of the election.

“Every attempt to interfere with the proper outcome of the election was defeated,” says Ian Bassin, co-founder of Protect Democracy, a nonpartisan rule-of-law advocacy group. “But it’s massively important for the country to understand that it didn’t happen accidentally. The system didn’t work magically. Democracy is not self-executing.”

Which rather flies in the face of that quaint old idea that the government is meant to be by the people and for the people? If it isn’t self executing, it’s done by outside design. Do we need to say that it’s profoundly un-democratic to pick rulers by secret cabals?

But the participants want this story told, mostly for their own personal aggrandizement. See how important I must be, pulling the levers of power?

That’s why the participants [of the cabal] want the secret history of the 2020 election told, even though it sounds like a paranoid fever dream – a well-funded cabal of powerful people, ranging across industries and ideologies, working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information. They were not rigging the election; they were fortifying it. And they believe the public needs to understand the system’s fragility in order to ensure that democracy in America endures.

It sounds like a paranoid fever dream, because it is one — a cabal of shadowy powerful people are manipulating what people think by “controlling the flow of information”. That’s not what a good work colleague does, it’s what a predatory office narcissist uses as their main tool of oppression. It’s the idea that holding back information is better for the punters.

Who rules you? The person who decides what information you are allowed to hear. The lie-by-omission is still a lie. This is not the whole truth and nothing but — it’s the authoritarian dictocrat who lords themselves over you.

Say this with a straight face:

“They were not rigging the election; they were fortifying it.“

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
February 11, 2021 11:35 am

Spoken like a true moron.

fred250
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
February 11, 2021 12:32 pm

Poor Bruce, even when the perpetrators themselves come out and say it..

So sad that even as small a mind as yours can be so warped and twisted and bitter as to dismiss facts and reality.

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Bruce Cobb
Reply to  fred250
February 11, 2021 1:32 pm

Poor Freddie, such a moron, and doesn’t realize it. Twisted and bitter? That’s a laugh. Your heroes, who attacked the Capitol, who wanted to “hang Mike Pence”? What were they?

MarkW
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
February 11, 2021 1:56 pm

It really is sad how hatred of success totally rots brains of individuals like Bruce. Even if he was once capable of making logical and coherent statements, that ability has been completely lost. All he is now capable of is screaming insults. Heck, he can’t even come up with new insults. It’s always moron this, moron that.

fred250
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
February 11, 2021 2:04 pm

Your DERANGEMENT means you no longer see REALITY.

So sad for even a puny mind.

Bitter and twisted and deranged.. Just read your comments re Trump….

They are those of someone with serious MENTAL issues.

And no, AntiFa are not my heroes.

MarkW
Reply to  fred250
February 11, 2021 7:52 pm

I find it amazing that the same Democrats who have spent most of the last year cheering on the Antifa/BLM renta mobs, are upset that somebody rioted in their house.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
February 11, 2021 1:05 pm

What is your plausible explanation for thousands of ballots, supposedly submitted by mail, that have no fold creases and only the Zhou Ben-Dai bubble perfectly blackened?

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
February 11, 2021 1:42 pm

You folks are as bad as, and as moronic as, the Climate Believers. You have your little supposed “facts” that you cling to desperately.

MarkW
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
February 11, 2021 1:57 pm

Once again, no facts, just a declaration that anyone who disagrees with him is a moron.

fred250
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
February 11, 2021 2:05 pm

And you have ZERO facts, just MANIC DENIAL

And you cling to that DENIAL, like a child clings to its dummy !

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
February 11, 2021 5:55 pm

Your inability to provide a plausible answer is noted.

MarkW
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
February 11, 2021 7:52 pm

At least we have facts, which is more than you have.

MarkW
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
February 11, 2021 1:55 pm

So anyone who disagrees with you is a moron.
How progressive of you.
BTW, I’m still waiting for you to provide even a scintilla of evidence to support your ideological convictions.

fred250
Reply to  MarkW
February 11, 2021 2:06 pm

You won’t get any evidence from the TDS patient !!

john
February 11, 2021 12:29 pm

Meanwhile, Biden wants us to starve to death. Energy poverty and now food poverty.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/censorship-way-facebook-hires-nato-press-officer-intelligence-chief/275154/

john
Reply to  john
February 11, 2021 12:31 pm

Furthermore:

https://www.agriculture.com/news/business/biden-vows-to-pay-farmers-to-plant-cover-crops-and-put-land-in-conservation

Is this why Bezos et.al.have been buying up massive blocks of farm land? To cash in on carbon credits etc.?

Last edited 3 months ago by john
February 11, 2021 1:32 pm

Americans – and everyone else – don’t need Biden to tell them or hide from them the facts about fracked natural gas reducing CO2 emission. They can find out for themselves. Google is friend (who sometimes likes wearing ss uniforms but each to his/her own).

Biden can teach Americans moral relativity though. Reduction of CO2 is good except when it’s caused by fracked gas – then it’s bad, more CO2 would be better than that. After all more CO2 makes plants grow better. Innit? That’s why reducing CO2 will make them grow better still. More CO2 for the right reason is good. Less CO2 for the wrong reason is bad.

Maybe Biden will next be hiding from the people that the world is round? (Except that in regard to CO2, it’s flat.)

Electricity causes pain and injury if you touch a live wire. It also causes emotional distress to LGBT 🏳️‍🌈 people. So by 2050 it will be banned in America. Except if you’re Latino or black. Or both. Or your name begins with X. Build back butter.

JontheTechnologist
February 11, 2021 3:11 pm

I have never received an answer to these questions from any Climate Scare Warrior: What should the earth’s perfect temperature be and has it ever been and for how long; and what should the correct level of CO2 be and do you believe like some that CO2 is a dangerous pollutant. And most important who amongst us should be forced to hold our breath to stop CO2 from getting into the atmosphere???

Last but not least, is there a published or otherwise empirical paper or experiment linking CO2 to the Earth’s temperature? I think NOT.

fred250
Reply to  JontheTechnologist
February 11, 2021 5:44 pm

“Last but not least, is there a published or otherwise empirical paper or experiment linking CO2 to the Earth’s temperature?”

.

MANY opportunities have been given to CO2 hating trolls that occasionally make silly yapping noises on this blog.

But NEVER has one been able to produce empirical evidence of warming by atmospheric CO2
.

Two Questions.. never answered

1… Do you have any empirical scientific evidence for warming by atmospheric CO2?

2… In what ways has the global climate changed in the last 50 years , that can be scientifically proven to be of human released CO2 causation?

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HAL
February 11, 2021 7:37 pm

My father, who was a nuclear physicist, told me years ago that CO2 works great in a greenhouse but not so much in earth’s atmosphere. Think he was right since all my research (however as a layperson) have seen nothing to refute his theory. Understand science, math and especially stats as an economist; still after 30 years, nothing.

Russ R.
Reply to  HAL
February 12, 2021 10:23 pm

It is required for photosynthesis to occur. More photosynthesis is better than less, until it is shown to be a problem. That problem has not occurred, so the reason to be “afraid” of levels that are very low by historic standards, is irrational.
There is one line of conjecture that should require monitoring. Not policy changes. Until models show better accuracy than they currently do, there is no reason to take action based on models that are not fit for purpose.

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