Budesonide Inhaler. Fair use of a low resolution image to identify the subject.

Medical Trial: Cheap Asthma Inhalers 90% Reduction in Severe Covid Symptoms

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Queensland University and Oxford University Medical researchers investigating why asthma sufferers were “under-represented” in severe Covid cases have completed a clinical trial of Budesonide asthma inhalers. According to researchers the randomised trial was stopped early, because the results were so remarkable, the researchers did not believe it ethical to deny treatment to placebo patients.

Over-the-counter inhalers suppress severe COVID symptoms, trial finds

By Stuart Layt
February 10, 2021 — 11.18am

QUT associate professor Dan Nicolau, one of the lead researchers on the trial at the University of Oxford, said the results showed the method was extremely effective at preventing severe COVID-19 symptoms.

“When we first began the trial back in March [2020], we were hoping for 50 per cent reduction [in risk of developing serious symptoms], which itself would have been very high,” he said.

“We got 90 per cent, which even with only a few hundred people is off the charts.

“And it’s not just the overall result – their temperatures are less, they get less fever, and they recover faster.”

Professor Nicolau said they realised in the early stages of the pandemic that people with asthma were under-represented in severe and fatal cases of COVID-19.

The randomised trial ended up looking at 146 patients, who were given regular doses of either corticosteroid budesonide via an inhaler, or a placebo.

Read more: https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/over-the-counter-inhalers-suppress-severe-covid-symptoms-trial-finds-20210210-p5716m.html

If other teams confirm this finding, it is a remarkable breakthrough. And confirmation should be very straightforward, given the widespread availability of this inhaler.

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February 10, 2021 2:02 pm

Thank God, Trump is not around to destroy the potential of this treatment. /s

Reply to  Pauleta
February 10, 2021 9:55 pm

“Trump is not around to destroy the potential of this treatment”

Trump can’t tweet any more, but maybe someone could arrange a television interview. If he says it is bad, the media would say it was really great.

Reply to  Ralph Dave Westfall
February 11, 2021 8:46 am

Hopefully a tweet-replacement can be put in place.

Roger Knights
Reply to  Pauleta
February 11, 2021 7:00 am

<blockquote>ODESSA, Texas (KOSA) – A West Texas Doctor claims he’s found the “silver bullet” for COVID-19, but the treatment is not currently approved by the FDA.
Dr. Richard Bartlett works at various clinics around West Texas, and says he’s found a successful treatment for the coronavirus.

“The treatment plan is inhaled, generic budesonide,” Bartlett said. “Using some generic antibiotics to protect from a secondary bacterial infection. Using zinc, which interferes with virus replication. It’s common sense. It’s intuitive.”

Budesonide is a steroid, that can be inhaled directly to the lungs using a nebulizer.

The drug has been used for decades to treat asthma and is approved by the FDA. However using it to treat COVID-19 is not.

“I am not aware of any doctors anywhere that are using this specifically for COVID-19, yet,” Bartlett said.

Bartlett said he treats people as soon as they show symptoms.

“Early treatment is better with this disease,” he said. “And I’m having a 100% survival rate. I don’t even know how many I’ve treated…dozens. I have 14 that I’m treating right now.”

Bartlett said that patients tell him they feel immediate relief.

CBS7 asked local health authorities about Bartlett’s claims.

“When we go look at a study,” Odessa Regional Medical Center Chief Medical Officer Rohith Saravanan said, “If they say ‘oh five cases, all solved. Magic pill. Silver bullet’, well that’s not how science works. You take thousands and thousands of patients across multiple countries, multiple sites, you blind them, you control certain people, certain treatments. And then you compare the groups. It’s not that he’s doing something wrong. He’s sharing what he found could be useful to the scientific community.”

Bartlett said he’s currently writing a paper to submit to medical journals.

Additionally, he said the National Institute of Health, as well as the countries of France and Spain will be looking into inhaled budesonide treatments.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/west-texas-doctor-claims-to-have-e2-80-9csilver-bullet-e2-80-9d-for-covid-19/ar-BB15GzWV </blockquote>

[Here are some comments I copied or paraphrased from YouTube threads on this topic; they have been removed by YouTube since:]

Bartlett says: 90% of the effect is lost with an inhaler vs. a nebulizer. Says that NIH is doing a study that is due in October and is set up for failure, because not being used early enough. 14:40. Current standard of care is to give people Tylenol and tell them to tough it out at home. 15:30: France and Spain and Oxford will be starting studies. Favors early testing and early detection. 
Interviewer: “There’s some sort of a manipulation going on encouraging America to wait it out for a vaccine.”

[He says] No need for a vaccine—the virus mutates too rapidly. 243 mutations in Icelandic study. Shots would be needed every year. No success with vaccine for AIDS.  26:40
Thousands died from the polio vaccine, and more were paralyzed or debilitated. Book: Polio—an American story.

Charles Moore
Budesonide is used to help prevent the symptoms of asthma. When used regularly every day, inhaled budesonide decreases the number and severity of asthma attacks. However, it will not relieve an asthma attack that has already started. By the time you get to the hospital it has started. How about Remdesivir + Dexamethasone for the critical & severe complications? Not real sure about the video record date but think there are new treatments 7/9/2020

Martha Sluder
I checked with a Nurse Practitioner and she affirmed “nebulized is more effective than inhaled.”

Diana Weatherby
I take budesonide regularly for asthma. It will, of course, make people feel better right away due to decrease inflammation so they can breath better. With antibiotics this will help keep people from getting a secondary pneumonia so I’m not saying it isn’t helpful but there is no mechanism for actually fighting the virus. This doctor is being dishonest.

Budesonide is sold under the name brand Pulmicort Respules. This is the type that can only be used by inhalation using the nebulizer.

Type of Steroid: Corticosteroids; Google Pulmicort and you will find it.

You can buy it OVER THE COUNTER without prescription as RHINOCORT

Hopefully the President doesn’t talk about this or they will take it away from us.

This gives me hope and I’m a hospital RN; yes inhaled corticosteroid (a class of steroids) (pulmicort-brand name) is used in a twice daily dose nebulizer (cost of home nebulizer machine is about $40 at any drug store and does not require a prescription for the machine) to prevent asthma exacerbations and has been a safe standard of care for years.

I heard of this in late April and people said i was a conspirist,

Nebulizer search-results page on Amazon:

[PS: Here are a few cautionary comments on the YouTube page. The side-effects will likely be cited as a reason to diss or prohibit this medication:]

I have tried this for asthma. Can be a good drug but has some side effects. I basically got so weak I couldn’t get up so had to come off it but I mean if I was dying that wouldn’t matter

Nebulizers are prohibited from being used on Covid patients because the mist spreads the virus.

I just picked up 3-day FB jail for sharing this video.

Chris Harper
We are already doing steroids for COVID-19 in addition to hydroxychloroquine in our practice. This is not news. You can take it orally or by nebulizer. The benefit of the nebulizer is you keep the steroids in the lungs where it’s needed.

This gives me hope and I’m a hospital RN; yes inhaled corticosteroid (a class of steroids) (pulmicort-brand name) is used in a twice daily dose nebulizer (cost of home nebulizer machine is about $40 at any drug store and does not require a prescription for the machine) to prevent asthma exacerbations and has been a safe standard of care for years. 

Hulagan 808
Doesn’t this correlate to Ginger steam therapy that is popular amongst the Asians and others?
Ginger is an anti-inflammatory as well as having many other positive attributes.
And it’s delicious and smells great.
Works for me as a possible prophylactic as part of a daily respiratory regimen.
Just for kicks and enjoyment if nothing else.
Really opens my respiratory system right up.

asmine Kaur
Interesting how medical professionals are discouraging patients to try his treatment because there’s no proof but there’s also no proof it doesn’t work? So why are they so adamant that it’s “too good to be true”?

Tom Foley July 12, 2020 at 7:59 pm
Has anyone crunched the stats on the rate of Covid-19 deaths that have already occurred amongst people who take budesonide for asthma control? Should not need to wait till October to work that out.

Clifford Losee
Gargling with hot saturated salt water works well to if you do it when the symptoms are first detected. If you don’t do it when or before detection, it won’t work well. I have used this on viruses for over 60 years and it has never failed me. Doctors won’t agree that this works, because it is a natural home remedy.

Roger Knights
Reply to  Roger Knights
February 11, 2021 8:25 am

University of Oxford Does it Again! Now Showing that AstraZeneca’s Pulmicort [Budesonide] Reduces COVID-19 Hospitalization Rate by 90%
TrialSite Staff By TrialSite Staff February 10, 2021

University of Oxford emerges during this pandemic has perhaps the most influential investigational unit worldwide. The recent University of Oxford led STOIC study results reveal that inhaled budesonide, a common asthma treatment, reduces the need for hospitalization for patients tested positive for COVID-19. This 28-day study involved 148 patients: half of them took 800 micrograms of the study drug with trade name Pulmicort (AstraZeneca) twice a day. The study outcomes are promising with the inhaled budesonide actually lowering the probability of urgent care or hospitalization by 90% during the study period. University of Oxford does it again, contributing to the world yet another key piece of medicinal evidence thanks to their ongoing research programs. In the RECOVERY trial, Oxford showed the world that another corticosteroid, dexamethasone, could reduce the COVID-19 death rate for severe to critically ill COVID-19 patients receiving mechanical ventilation versus the standard of care. The prestigious British institution also recently announced the planning of the PRINCIPLE trial as well—the study of ivermectin as yet another promising economical generic to treat COVID-19, at least at early onset. 

TrialSite covered the commencement of the STOIC study, which also included Queensland University of Technology (Australia).

Interestingly, early on during the pandemic, TrialSite covered a doctor in West Texas that was administering nebulized budesonide who reported a high percentage of positive outcome among his patients. While the doctors comments were controversial, perhaps he was on to something?

The Study Drug
A corticosteroid, Budesonide is used in the long-term management of asthma and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD).

The Results
The study team reports that the inhaled budesonide administered patients diagnosed with COVID-19 within seven days of the onset of symptoms also reduces recovery time. Recently published on the MedRxiv pre-print server, the findings suggest that out of 146 participants, the half that took 800 micrograms of the inhaled budesonide experienced reduction of relative risk of needing urgent care or hospitalization by 90% in the 28—day trial. The patients in this corticosteroid arm of the study also experienced a faster reduction in symptoms after the 28 day study period.


Reply to  Roger Knights
February 11, 2021 8:56 am

There’s also Fluticasone-Salmeterol inhalers, which are inhaled steroid powders and don’t require a nebulizer. But they do require a prescription.

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Reply to  Pauleta
February 13, 2021 10:36 pm

It wasn’t Trump destroying potentials. It was the lame stream media – anything Trump supported was mindlessly attacked.

John Tillman
February 10, 2021 2:07 pm

Oz studies also found the effectiveness of de-wormer Ivermectin and corticosteroid dexamethasone in treating COVID. My veterinarian SiL used both drugs frequently.

Bill Treuren
Reply to  John Tillman
February 10, 2021 2:27 pm

The media are fully engaged in promoting this not.

The vaccine is the mantra all else is vilified.

John Tillman
Reply to  Bill Treuren
February 10, 2021 2:34 pm

Vaccines which vary greatly in effectiveness, safety, cost and storability, hence deliverability.

Leo Smith
Reply to  John Tillman
February 10, 2021 7:48 pm

The jury is massively still out on effectiveness.Th UK is a country of lab rats right now. we will let you know hiw it all works out

patrick healy
Reply to  Leo Smith
February 11, 2021 6:07 am

Did you notice how we are not allowed to call this flu Chinese, Wuhan or any other “ethnically insulting” term?
Yet now we have South African, English or even Kent strains of the Chiflu or Flumando or what ever.

Leo Smith
Reply to  Bill Treuren
February 10, 2021 7:46 pm

The social and political aspects of this are less concerned with treatment, than with halting the spread. Social distancing, lockdown, masks and personal hygiene and in the end, vaccine, are all about this.

The doctors treating it are behind a different curve. Death rate post hospitalization.

Mark A Luhman
Reply to  Leo Smith
February 10, 2021 8:05 pm

Only fools think a aerosol spread virus can be halted by masks and social distancing. Mask are useless and if you are in an small to medium close space all the social distancing will not save you from the virus. Farr’s law will not be denied! Only the useful idiots think otherwise.

Reply to  Bill Treuren
February 11, 2021 9:28 am

Which is why I don’t think this is going to get much publicity either.

What is the motivation for suppressing all the potential treatments? I know a lot of people say money, but I can’t accept that EVERYONE involved in suppressing the news stands to gain. I think it’s something more sinister, but I can’t figure out what it might be.

Reply to  TonyG
February 11, 2021 6:39 pm

Control of the many by the few.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  John Tillman
February 10, 2021 2:36 pm

As I have pointed out before, there are something like 3 dozen drugs that have shown efficacy and have been approved for human use previously. What is interesting is that none of them have gotten publicity or moved from the ‘potentially useful’ category to ‘being widely used.’

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
February 10, 2021 5:56 pm

These 3 dozen cheap drugs might not be in the ‘widely used’ category, but it’s possible some of them are actually being widely used by ethical doctors. We’re used to not trusting politicians, but the fact that none of the major news outlets can now be trusted at all is a disaster, as is big tech’s censorship.

The Italian study on HCQ, which found a remarkably low infection rate for people taking HCQ regularly for Lupus and other conditions, was careful to point out that they had not ruled out the cause being the treated condition rather than the HCQ. It’s a shame that scientific honesty can be so easily exploited to support scientific dishonesty. What’s relevant to this Budesonide study is that it hasn’t been ruled out that the asthma itself was the agent rather than the Budesonide. That’s no reason to deny Budesonide to people, of course, but try telling that to big pharma, left-wing politicians, mainstream media or big tech.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Mike Jonas
February 10, 2021 7:41 pm

Your points are well taken. One of the major problems with poorly designed and executed research programs is that there might well be interactions between the disease of concern and other diseases (providing protection), and other drugs such as Vitamin D and zinc that aren’t specifically screened for.

However, I think that the bigger problem is that when so many drugs show the potential for use, how do we know that physicians are using the optimal drug(s) that will save the largest number of lives? There are three goals in clinical trials; 1) to be sure that drugs are safe to use, 2) find the best drug, and 3) find the optimal dose of that drug.

Mark A Luhman
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
February 10, 2021 8:08 pm

Most of the studies I seen for HCQ, were brought in to late, they seemed to be design to fail, was that the Trump anti bias or Big Pharma and their minions such Fauci!

Reply to  Mike Jonas
February 10, 2021 9:37 pm

My impression of the Budesonide trial after reading the Brisbane Times article was that the people in the trial were not asthmatics.

Reply to  RexAlan
February 10, 2021 9:39 pm

If they were asthmatics there would be no point including them in the trial as they would already be using Budesonide.

Reply to  Mike Jonas
February 10, 2021 10:37 pm

Erm, no. The Australian results are from a clinical trial on CoViD19 patients. The Italian results are from a population study of people taking hydroxychloroquine. The clinical trial can be said to have been prompted by a population study of asthmatics (not really, it was a serendipitous observation, not a formal study), but it was not one itself.

Now, from what I can gather, the trial did not exclude asthma patients, but it was not restricted to those patients. From the article:

Patients in the trial, conducted in Britain and led by researchers from Australia, were given simple over-the-counter steroid inhalers when they presented at hospital with symptoms of the disease.

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Reply to  writing observer
February 10, 2021 10:43 pm

Dang it, the one thing that I wish Anthony would ditch is this commenting system. Just about every other serious system out there allows HTML tags, not restricting you to widgets for everything. Three edits on that last comment. (The blockquote just looks stupid, too – and obscures part of the quote, at least in Firefox.)

Reply to  writing observer
February 11, 2021 9:04 am

Yeah, I see that.

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Kai Dahlqvist
Reply to  writing observer
February 11, 2021 1:18 am

Logically, the asthma patients have mostly excluded themselves from this trial by being underrepresented in hospital admission population.

Reply to  writing observer
February 11, 2021 1:49 am

Thanks for the correction.

Reply to  Mike Jonas
February 12, 2021 3:56 pm

Yes, Lupus stops Covid-19 … 90% effective. Potential malaria contact also seems to stop Covid-19.

HCQ doesn’t do anything. It may well be that the water that the lupus and malaria patients use to wash down the HCQ is what is helping them.

patrick healy
Reply to  John Tillman
February 11, 2021 6:03 am

I checked on a field next to me yesterday which has 100 sheep. They had all been dipped just 3 months ago. Not one of them has Wuhan Flu.
Where do I apply for grant funding?

February 10, 2021 2:35 pm

Wow! Cures whatever ails you. Especially the “rectal form”.

Joseph Bastardi
February 10, 2021 2:55 pm

Yep, but the problem is it tears down muscle. its a catabolic steroid

Reply to  Joseph Bastardi
February 10, 2021 5:49 pm

Should not be even a minor concern. It is used long term for chronic asthma sufferers. For COVID patients, the use would be short term, over and done. This is typical for many steroid treatments, keep a weather eye out for side effects and do not overdo. But do not discard an effective treatment out of hand.

February 10, 2021 3:04 pm

This finding would seem to fit with early advice about warding off COVID with alcohol-based cough, cold, flu inhalants and also alcohol based breath fresheners.

(I elected to dispense with the additives and just consume copious volumes of the most-prevalent, common ingredient in these types of prescriptions 🙂 )

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Mr.
February 10, 2021 7:45 pm

Unfortunately, double-proof Bacardi rum is no longer being sold. I considered it as a hand sanitizer when isopropyl alcohol was not available in stores.

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
February 10, 2021 9:19 pm

If you can find a shop selling eastern European “delicacies” try some tuica/rakija/slivovitz. You should be able to get it at the required alcohol level and drink it, wash your hands in it or clean your car windscreen with it.

I wouldn’t recommend it as an anti-inflamatory though.

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
February 11, 2021 3:21 am

methylated spirits is as good and far cheaper;-)

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
February 11, 2021 9:22 am

A couple stores here in MD sell “moonshine”, which is 150 proof. But it’s awfully expensive.

February 10, 2021 3:15 pm

Also see (2020) “Inhibition of virus-induced cytokine production from airway epithelial cells by the late addition of budenoside”; free full text available on-line.

February 10, 2021 3:23 pm

If a doctor does not tell you that the Covid vaccine is experimental and asks for your consent this is a war crime. The Nuremberg code on medical experimentation written in 1947 illustrates explicit voluntary consent from patients is required- patients must be told they are taking part in a trial. They must be told of all the adverse events. That is what informed consent means. Legally all those giving injections without informing the patients are war criminals.

Reply to  richard
February 10, 2021 4:09 pm

And all those receiving the medication without knowing what they are getting deserve what they get.

Note that the vaccines are no longer experimental – they have been apporved by appropriate regulatory agencies.

Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
February 10, 2021 5:52 pm

In the US, the vaccines have *not* been approved. They have been given an “Emergency Use Authorization”. Not the same thing, at all.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  TonyL
February 10, 2021 7:48 pm

A rose is just as sweet by any other name.

Leo Smith
Reply to  TonyL
February 10, 2021 8:05 pm

tony: Be aware that there are two things testing reveals – whether the drug is dangerous, which is quite quick to arrive at, or whether it does any good, which takes a whole lot longer.

The final long term effects take years to arrive at anyway.

Take my case. I was offered platinum, based chemotherapy for testicular cancer, I asked all the questions. Yes, it was relatively safe short term. a slight chance of allergic reaction. yes, it had been responsible for pushing five year survival rates up from 70% to 97%. No they didn’t know what the long term effects were because it hd ony (then) been in use for 10 years!.

These vaccines have been approved as short term safe. full approval wont an indeed cant happen until we have taken them en masse and seen whether or not people stop getting COVID.

Not fully approved does not mean unsafe.

Neither does ‘impossible to prove they are 100% safe’

You may want to live in a Liberal Kindergarten of 100% guaranteed safe spaces, 100% benevolent Big State and Big Business, But I am afraid that is just a fairy tale. For the rest if us it is calculated risk, and the only certainty is we wont survive it long term anyway.

Reply to  Leo Smith
February 10, 2021 8:20 pm

Your comments are well taken, fair enough.
I am concerned that animal testing was skipped, particularly in view of how badly previous corona virus vaccines fared in animal testing.

But I do understand, things get ugly and you have to deal with it, like it or not as best you can.

Reply to  Leo Smith
February 10, 2021 11:04 pm

No, nothing is “100% safe.” It is the relative risk that is important. In the case of your platinum based chemo, the risk of dying from the cancer in five years or less without the therapy was higher than your risk of developing some nasty side effect or even dying in 10+ years with the therapy.

As a child, I was one of the few that could not have the tetanus vaccine, because I had a severe reaction to the traces of equine serum left in it (not a problem now, as research made it possible to use the common egg product method). But the relative risk to the vast majority of people was the opposite – they were far more likely to die from a tetanus infection than from the vaccination.

The thing is, we DO NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT KNOWLEDGE here to evaluate relative risk. The “best information” I can find is a 1.7% mortality rate from CoViD-19 in the US. Which is vastly inflated for the majority of the population without severe comorbidities. If the percentage of Moderna “vaccine” recipients that later develop, or have more severe forms of, various auto-immune diseases (many of which are life-threatening) is even 1.8% after the dust settles in a few years – we’ve lost the bet.

Reply to  writing observer
February 14, 2021 2:19 am

Wrong Synairgen is 100% safe as it using the bodies natural defiance system, it will be a game changer

Reply to  Leo Smith
February 14, 2021 2:18 am

The only 100% safe treatment is SYNAIRGEN, its in phase 3 now and on the warp speed list, made in the UK, but has been ignored by our goverment as they have no money/shares in it but the US will benefit from it first and fair play to them if they do

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  richard
February 10, 2021 7:47 pm

And yet, many of those people will unhesitatingly experiment on themselves with medicines that are being experimented with by physicians who are desperate.

February 10, 2021 3:37 pm

you have to understand: there could be NO simple, cheap, effective treatments for the ChiCom Crud as long as OrangeManBad was in office, and, having cheated their way into power, there is no way our fascist overlords are going to allow one to appear, as they would lack the pretext they need to keep everyone locked down and afraid.

hell, *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din is “considering” travel restrictions to and from Florida…ahd the J&J CEO floated the idea of “yearly” vaccinations for the CCC. they don’t want to let go of power, which isn’t surprisning to any student of history.

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  redc1c4
February 10, 2021 4:37 pm

The TDS is alive and well in Canada.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  redc1c4
February 10, 2021 4:39 pm

your fascist overlords are medical researchers working in Queensland? Who would have thought that doctors in Australia have power over who gets to be the USA president.

Reply to  Izaak Walton
February 11, 2021 1:13 am

They do seem to have quite a lot of power concerning the fact, that Pfizer kept the vaccine trial results secret until after the election for quite obvious reasons – it would be a massive win for Trump. Also bear in mind, that pharma sponsored Biden almost exclusively (last time I checked 85% of pharma donations went to Biden) and that pharma has massive leverage over universities and medical researchers in general.

Reply to  Izaak Walton
February 11, 2021 9:27 am

Typical idiotic reply by I-ZOD.

February 10, 2021 3:51 pm

Yet another cheap non-mRNA treatment with better results than the ‘vaccine’.

Leo Smith
Reply to  Photios
February 10, 2021 8:07 pm

Yet another ill informed and lacking in comprehension post.
stopping you from dying once you have it is not comparable with not getting it in the first place.
If you dont understand that, you are in a high risk category.

Reply to  Leo Smith
February 11, 2021 1:14 am

Which would make perfect sense if those vaccines would actually immunize you against SARS-CoV-2, but unfortunately they do not.

Roger Knights
Reply to  Leo Smith
February 11, 2021 2:26 am

OTOH, if a “cheap treatment” prevents the virus from having severe effects, then having allowed one to have the disease once may provide a stronger and longer “immunization” than a vaccination—and without a vaccination’s possible bad side-effects.

Peta of Newark
February 10, 2021 4:05 pm

Get this, they really have gone full-blown headless chicken blind panic
10-year jail term for travel lies defended
Also, Travellers face £1,750 cost
UK Government has perfectly Lost It

Reply to  Peta of Newark
February 12, 2021 4:06 pm

In Oregon we are letting the prisoners out because of covid concerns.

Go to jail because of covid … get out of jail because of covid.

Covid … useful for most anything.

February 10, 2021 4:11 pm

But does the inhaler contain hydroxychloriquine and/or zinc?

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Eric Worrall
February 10, 2021 7:10 pm

I’m guessing when something is badly inflamed, an anti-inflammatory is just the ticket. If I remember correctly, just over a year ago president Trump made a similar comment and was attacked for it.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Rory Forbes
February 10, 2021 8:28 pm

I read an article tonight that says the brain damage being done as a result of the Wuhan virus, is not being done directly by the virus, but the virus is causing the fluid surrounding the brain to be inflamed, and the inflamation is causing the various brain problems.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 10, 2021 9:06 pm

At the risk of being labeled a conspiracy theorist I’m finding the number and breadth of both symptoms and sequelae, attributed to this disease, startling. You’re not the first recently who have mentioned the presence of encephalitis in connection with the Kung-flu. I don’t know about you, but I’m increasingly suspicious of how complex this thing is. If this isn’t mostly gas lighting, then something is definitely rotten in Denmark. They either capitalized on a fortuitous find, or it has the fingerprint of a designer disease. It has certainly been used as germ warfare against conservatives.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Eric Worrall
February 10, 2021 7:51 pm

But so are NSAIDs, and to a lesser extent, antibiotics.

No one
Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
February 10, 2021 5:18 pm

Maybe zinc if you digest the pressurized container. Preferably after depressurizing it.

Leo Smith
Reply to  No one
February 10, 2021 8:08 pm

I take it in unpressurized form. Inhalation of a powder

Reply to  No one
February 11, 2021 9:34 am

Use a galvanized steel container? The zinc is very tightly bound to the steel, so prb’ly wouldn’t work.

Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
February 11, 2021 8:41 am

I have used inhalers for years for a breathing issue. Try to reduce as much as I can since they raise my glucose readings. Happy to have now along with ivermectin…cost is peanuts.

Zelenko just published info on nebulized HCQ with lower rates than oral and results in hours instead of days.


Reply to  Polski
February 11, 2021 8:45 am

Dr. Eric Osgood part of the FLCCC group explains how it works :


February 10, 2021 4:12 pm

I hope it works, but colour me skeptical. Only 146 patients? And why are we hearing about this March 2020 study almost a year later?

I’ll wait for the intensity of the shrieking from the covid-harpies to reach 11 before I believe it. 😉 If it’s effective, the overlords will have the research and any referring online publications purged from existence.

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Mike Dubrasich
Reply to  PaulH
February 10, 2021 5:35 pm

Budesonide was hailed as a “silver bullet” for treatment of Covid-19 last May by a TX emergency room physician, Dr. Richard Barlett. It was all over the Net, although the usual suspects tried to cancel it. I can’t find the ref, but I am sure it was discussed here at WUWT.

Budesonide is an inhaled steroid that lessens or prevents inflammation: the notorious cytokine storm that is the cause of most (all) Covid-19 fatalities.

HCQ and ivermectin are both ionophores. As such they bind with cations (like Zn2+) and aid in transporting them through cell membranes (phospholipidic bilayers). The zinc interferes with virus replication. That’s a different mechanism from Budesonide. Other ionophores include quercetin and epigallocatechin gallate (ECGC), natural substances found in fruit (such as apples and blueberries) and green tea.

These medicines are effective and safe as prophylactics and active illness treatments. The mRNA vaccines may not be as safe as claimed, and may have many side-effects and complications that have not been fully researched. One such complication is the entry of mRNA into non-target cells such as oocytes. There is a possibility that post-vaccine pregnancies could transmit corona spike protein-producing mRNA into babies.

So there are trade-offs: judgements that should be made between risks. Is the “preventative” (the vaccine) worse than the disease, which might be not be that severe if treatments are used and/or people are in low risk age or health groups.

NB: ivermectin may have other antiviral properties or mechanisms.

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Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Mike Dubrasich
February 10, 2021 7:54 pm

Why did Trump’s personal physician not treat him with HCQ, and yet cured him?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
February 10, 2021 8:36 pm

Trump was treated with Remdisivir and the Regeneron cocktail.

I read an article tonight by Dennis Prager, and he said that he and his familiy had been taking Ivermectin and Hydroxycholoquine as a preventative measure against the Wuhan virus for the past few months.

He said all his immediate family members were living together without masks or social distancing and out of all of them, only two came down with the Wuhan virus. The only two who were *not* taking Ivermectin and hydroxychloriquine.

The Prager familiy gave these two relatives Ivermectin and hydroxychloriquine after they tested positive, and they recovered quickly, and Prager said his family continued not to wear masks or social distance while the two sick familiy members were there recovering and noone else had become infected.

John F Hultquist
Reply to  Mike Dubrasich
February 10, 2021 8:22 pm

There is a search function at top right.
One returned link is:

Reply to  Mike Dubrasich
February 11, 2021 6:29 am

Thanks for the info. My knowledge of asthma treatments is rather limited. For what it’s worth, a commenter in the Brisbane Times article notes that the study refers to Pulmicort, a preventative.

Roger Knights
Reply to  Mike Dubrasich
February 11, 2021 7:11 am

Here’s a link to the Dr. Bartlett story in a TX newspaper. The YouTube threads on the matter have been cancelled:

February 10, 2021 4:29 pm

This does not help, only two masks can save us.

Gerald Machnee
February 10, 2021 4:38 pm

My wife is on an asthma inhaler, so I think she is well protected.

Gerald Machnee
February 10, 2021 4:40 pm

Readers may be familiar with thus person:

How Many Americans Has the American

Medical Establishment Killed?

By Dennis Prager

February 10, 2021

 I should state at the outset that were it not for doctors, I would either be paralyzed or dead. I owe my mobility and probably my life to wonderful physicians.

However, I will now state with equal certitude that the American medical profession as a whole and many individual doctors are responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of Americans — very possibly, more than that.

Along with the media — from The New York Times to Google/YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter — Americans have been denied both life-saving information and life-saving drugs.

I am specifically referring to hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin.
These drugs (along with zinc), which are as safe as any medicines humanity has taken in the last half-century, should have been almost universally used to treat COVID-19 patients as soon as those patients showed symptoms or tested positive — and even as a prophylactic to prevent or minimize the effects of the illness in the first place. If they had been, it is likely that tens, maybe hundreds, of thousands of those who died of the virus would have lived.

For the record, I put my medicines where my mouth is. I have been taking hydroxychloroquine and zinc (as well as vitamin D and selenium) on a regular basis for half a year, and ivermectin for the past three months. More for the record: During this time, I have hugged hundreds of strangers at various events around the country, maskless. In addition, at home, I live with four people: my wife, two stepsons, and the fiancée of one of the sons. That couple, both in their mid-20s, developed symptoms and then tested positive for COVID-19 a month ago. They were the only two members of the family not to be on hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin. And while they were ill, my wife and I practiced no social distancing, wore no masks in the house, and tested negative twice (as responsible citizens, we quarantined at home for 14 days).

The son and his fiancée immediately began a course of treatment of hydroxychloroquine, zinc, ivermectin, vitamin D, and selenium, and within half a day, they were feeling better. A few days later, all their symptoms had vanished.

 Of course, the medical establishment, the media and others committed to irrationality, fear, making fortunes from pharmaceutical companies, and keeping Americans from normal life will dismiss all this as just anecdotes. But I would ask: How many anecdotes about the effectiveness of these safe drugs does it take to persuade people? I would ask a more damning question: Given how safe hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin are, what could we have possibly lost by allowing millions of people to take these medicines?

Or, to put it another way, if doctors who advocate for the use of these safe drugs are wrong, what price would we have paid? Essentially none.

But what if Dr. Anthony Fauci, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, The New York Times, CNN, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the National Institutes of Health, and the poor souls who trust them are wrong? The price we have paid is tens of thousands of dead Americans, and quite possibly more than that.

 We paid another horrific price for listening to the medical establishment, the colluding media, Democratic governors, and others on the left. We have killed much of our economy; robbed tens of millions of Americans of their livelihoods; quite possibly put the dollar on the road to near-worthlessness; perhaps ensured future inflation that will further destroy the well-being of the American people; and sent innumerable Americans spiraling into depression, drug and alcohol use, spousal and child abuse, and suicide.

 I offer an example of NIH dishonesty bordering on malpractice. On Nov. 9, 2020, the NIH issued a report titled “Hydroxychloroquine Does Not Benefit Adults Hospitalized With COVID-19.” This was dishonest for two reasons: First, zinc wasn’t used. While hydroxychloroquine alone can help fight COVID-19, every physician who prescribes hydroxychloroquine to COVID-19 patients insists it be accompanied by zinc. Hydroxychloroquine without zinc is like a gun without a bullet. Second, everyone who advocates the use of hydroxychloroquine and zinc to fight COVID-19 insists it be given as early as possible, i.e., before hospitalization.

 So, the NIH test was useless. Why those who conducted it did not give patients zinc and waited until they were hospitalized are such obvious questions that either those doctors were ignorant of hydroxychloroquine protocols or they set the test up to fail. Either explanation constitutes a moral and medical scandal.

It is extremely important to note that the report concluded that hydroxychloroquine was “found not to cause harm.

 This is from the CDC on Sept. 4, 2020: “Current data indicate that the potential benefits of these drugs (hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine) do not outweigh their risks.” Given that there are almost no risks, the CDC statement is egregious.

 Now to ivermectin.
 The NIH, on Aug. 27, 2020, announced: “The COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel recommends against the use of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19, except in a clinical trial.”

 However, three months later, on Nov. 28, 2020, the NIH published this finding regarding ivermectin: “Countries with routine mass drug administration of prophylactic chemotherapy including ivermectin have a significantly lower incidence of COVID-19.”

 Consequently, on Jan. 14, 2021, the NIH withdrew its opposition to ivermectin — but, incredibly, still refused to endorse it: “The COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel (the Panel) has determined that currently there are insufficient data to recommend either for or against the use of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19.”

 How many Americans died from COVID-19 between Aug. 27, 2020, and Jan. 14, 2021, because of NIH waffling?

 That report contained a truly deceitful statement concerning hydroxychloroquine: that it carries “considerable risk of sometimes fatal complications and interactions.”

 On Dec. 16, 2020, the FDA declared that ivermectin “is not approved for the prevention or treatment of COVID-19.”

 Meanwhile, YouTube took down a U.S. Senate hearing featuring doctors and epidemiologists who spoke in favor of ivermectin.
 When we get to the other side of the COVID-19 crisis and all the damage is tallied — the unnecessary deaths and the ruined lives — the medical establishment, the media, and many politicians are going to have a lot to answer for.

 At a great price, we have learned that “follow the science” and “follow the scientists” are not the same thing. We have followed the latter off a cliff.

Reply to  Gerald Machnee
February 10, 2021 8:36 pm

+1000 and completely agree with your comment.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Gerald Machnee
February 10, 2021 8:39 pm

Here’s that article I reference above!

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Gerald Machnee
February 10, 2021 8:45 pm

“When we get to the other side of the COVID-19 crisis and all the damage is tallied — the unnecessary deaths and the ruined lives — the medical establishment, the media, and many politicians are going to have a lot to answer for.”

A lot of people have died who might have been saved by timely application of therapuetics.

But Trump was for using them, so the Elites had to be against them, since they are ate up with the TDS.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 11, 2021 2:26 am

“A lot of people have died who might have been saved by timely application of therapeutics.”
I believe this is a true statement – the mystery to me is WHY our governments and medical authorities did not at least recommend Vitamin D3 and other simple, cheap, effective preventatives and treatments as appropriate for the general population and high-risk groups.
I believe the full-Gulag lockdown of the workforce and students was never justified by the data – I reached that conclusion in early March2020 and published on 21&22March after I had reached a high degree of confidence. I believe subsequent events prove that I was correct. “The lockdown cure was much worse than the Covid-19 disease.”
I further believe that the Covid-19 lockdown was a deliberate scam, and the unfolding evidence is more and more supportive of that conclusion. The Covid-19 lockdown was a tool used for politics and profits – the alternative explanation is that we are governed by imbeciles – which is also possible.
Regards, Allan

February 11, 2021 2:46 am

I have posted ~7 entries with information about Covid-19 on this old thread – on the questionable safety of mRNA injections, Time Magazine bragging how the election was rigged, the changing of standards for coding Covid-19 deaths on Inauguration Day, criminal charges lodged in Peru against alleged Covid-19 perps, etc,


February 11, 2021 10:38 am

I think this work is highly credible – Covid-19 is a flu caused by a lab-created virus. I published that same conclusion months ago but this work adds huge credibility.
Regards, Allan

Steven Carl Quay, MD PhD, January 29, 2021 Working Paper  139 pages
SQuay_Bayesian Analysis of SARS-CoV-2 FINAL V.2.pdf

Dedication. This work is dedicated to the men, women, and children who were infected with SARS-CoV-2 over the last year. It is my hope that this work becomes part of the body of evidence to help inform the public about gain-of-function pathogen research and that a renewed debate can be had about the benefits and risks of this research in the context of world health.

Gerald Machnee
February 11, 2021 11:39 am

I have sent many notes since last April about Vitamin D, zinc and hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin to medical departments, media, and members of parliament. I get no replies or negative ones. I got another one from my provincial gov today. They claim they are following evidence based procedures. I told them dor the second or third time they are doing NOTHING while people are dying. My prov rep actually replied to me telling me that too much Vitamin D may be harmful. What is worse, one death in a year or a dozen each day?
In my opinion and a few of my friends, the TDS is still the worst illness in Canada and USA. They are still trying to kill the messenger like they did 2000 years ago.

Reply to  Gerald Machnee
February 11, 2021 11:40 pm

Hi Gerald,
The public and politicians are finally opposing Covid-19 lockdowns in Alberta and elsewhere, but far too late.
If Alberta politicians had recognized reality one year ago, they would have implemented our Contagion Emergency Plan (which did NOT include a full lockdown), and saved many billions of dollars and thousands of shattered lives.
I’ve managed several emergencies successfully, including two armed hostage crises – Rule One is “Don’t Panic”. Rule Two is “De-Escalate”. Our politicians panicked and escalated the problem, as did almost every leader in every country – the result: a needless, deadly, costly debacle!
Best regards, Allan

Two Alberta MLAs and several former local politicians joined the growing “End the Lockdown Caucus” on Tuesday. 
According to a letter signed by all members of the caucus, the purpose of the organization is to “ensure there is open, honest, and public debate regarding the COVID-19 government response.”
“​After careful examination and scrutiny of mitigation measures undertaken by all levels of government, it is now evident that the lockdowns cause more harm than the virus and must be brought to an end,” claimed the statement.
My comment:

Attaboys all around – only 11 months too late to prevent the carnage – the needless destruction of our Canadian economy and countless lives. A correct move, but far too late, far far too late.
The full-Gulag lockdown of Canada for the relatively-mild Covid-19 flu was never justified – the lockdown was a huge over-reaction and probably a global scam.
From credible data, it was obvious by ~1March2020 that Covid-19 was only dangerous to the very elderly
and infirm – so over-protect them and get the low-risk population back to work and school.
Instead, our governments failed to protect the high-risk population and fully locked-down the low-risk population – 100% wrong and hugely destructive to our economy and our lives.

I published the correct analysis and the proper path forward on 21&22March2020:
Isolate people over sixty-five and those with poor immune systems and return to business-as-usual for people under sixty-five. This will allow “herd immunity” to develop much sooner and older people will thus be more protected AND THE ECONOMY WON’T CRASH.
This full-lockdown scenario is especially hurting service sector businesses and their minimum-wage
employees – young people are telling me they are “financially under the bus”. The young are being destroyed to protect us over-65’s. A far better
solution is to get them back to work and let us oldies keep our distance, and get “herd immunity” established ASAP – in months not years. Then we
will all be safe again.

February 10, 2021 4:41 pm


February 10, 2021 4:44 pm

I assume Budesonide is ~equivalent to Seretide which I was told is a “preventer” compared to Ventolin or Asmol.
I am familiar with a person who was a decadal heavy ventolin user. In 2017 she was prescribed Seretide which lead to a rapid and amazing reduction in puffer use. Now she is practically cured of any need to user the puffer.

February 10, 2021 5:09 pm

Given that the US CDC changed the 17 year old reporting requirements (ignored comorbidities) for cause of death which increased the Covid deaths by 1600%, I’m not surprised.

Oh yeah there was that pesky Presidential election to deal with…

February 10, 2021 5:13 pm

I’m hanging in there for Scotch Malt Whisky to join the list.

Matthew Bergin
Reply to  leitmotif
February 10, 2021 5:57 pm

Well it certainly wouldn’t hurt. 😉

February 10, 2021 6:17 pm

Fauci and his Big Pharma handlers aren’t gonna like it that a cheap, off-patent drug can be so effective compared to the very lucrative but minimally effective Remdesivir.

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Patrick MJD
February 10, 2021 7:13 pm

COVID symptoms match, almost perfectly, symptoms for colds and ‘flu’s except COVID causes toothache too.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Patrick MJD
February 10, 2021 8:51 pm

Wuhan can cause teeth to fall *out*. Among numerous other health problems it causes. Wuhan can attack every organ in the body. Does flu or a cold do that? I know you only said the symptoms are similar, but the implication is they are the same in the way they affect the human body. They are not the same, in that way. Wuhan is a much more serious disease.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 11, 2021 1:21 am

Well, to be fair, flu can attack a lot of organs as well. Heart and liver are two examples of direct post-flu damage, but there’s also bacterial pneumonia, that loves to follow a symptom-rich influenza and if you include its side-effects, then sky is the limit.

February 10, 2021 7:16 pm

Not too surprising as many of the asthma medications are surface active agents which reduce surface tension in the lung mucuses so that membranes coated with them can relax and relieve the asthmatic congestion. These probably also have the same effect as soaps on the virus particles causing them to break up and thereby neutralising them.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  tmatsi
February 10, 2021 8:56 pm

I read an article last week that said using Tricor, a blood thinner, was a great help in letting Wuhan virus patients breath normally.

The claim is the Wuhan virus causes the lung cells, that normally expel fats from the cell, to do just the opposite and retain fat in the lung cells, and this is the cause of the shortness of breath the Wuhan causes.

Leo Smith
February 10, 2021 7:40 pm

I am an asthma sufferer. I use this, last year I had a 6 week terrible dry cough and breathing difficulties. No other symptoms. It helped a bit, as did all the other medications I have for early stage COPD/Asthma. Ventolin inhaler and something else that is a bronchodilator. – braltus.

Also hot steam inhalation and, even as someone else has said, antiseptic gargles like whisky 🙂

The key to any respiratory track infection is to get the lungs aerated. Oxygen is a great disinfectant!The danger is swelling and irritation of the upper respiratory tract that leads to shallow breathing. Bugs like an anaerobic situation, and will then move down into the lungs depths, and that is when you are in very serious trouble – pneumonia essentially. Drowning in fluid in your lung that you cant cough up.

I don’t normally use this steroid on a regular basis. But last year I did and the doctor has said he is happy for me to use it longer term. The effects are very localized.It simply reduces swelling and inflammation of the bronchia a bit.

As long as I could cough up somethimg, I could breathe.

I never got around to asking for hospitalization but I had a rough 6 weeks. Towards the end I felt i had a slight fever, then it went away, mostly. COPD means permanent lung infections are a reality anyway.

I have an emergency supply of a massive steroid dose and an antibiotic in case the low grade infections ever becomes serious. I didn’t take them.

Look, I don’t know what I had. For me it was a terrible breathing difficulties, no fever and a dry persistent cough. But that is normal for me anyway when exposed to dusts and irritants and even some foods. And I had been making cushions out of 100 year old chicken feathers. (don’t ask).

My main point in posting this is to say that this stuff is a steroid, but its mild and its localised and is a very good trade off for anyone who can’t breathe because of swollen bronchial tubes.

Don’t be scared of it.

I live with crap lungs. I always have. managing them to get a decent airflow and keep blood oxygen levels up is a matter of daily inhalers and some breathing exercises. it is, one hopes, a better trade off than being dead.

Medical science is humble. My doctors tell me what they know and freely admit its not enough.

I will get a vaccine in a couple of days. As an ‘at risk’ person I am on the second tier. If I stop posting, they have killed me!

I get a flu jab once a year anyway.

Life is a gamble. 2 years ago I had dinner at my old college with an old acquaintance. I could barely walk to my car. He was very concerned. I told him I was waiting for more stents to be put in my artieries and this level of breathlessness and chest pain was normal after Stilton cheese and port wine!

He died 6 weeks ago, I heard. Massive stroke. I am still here. I take 6 pills a day. They want me to take more but the statins make my arthritis amazingly worse.

Sure there is politics in this, sure there is big pharma looking for a profit, but the disease is real and not all drugs the doctor gives you make you worse.

Like I said, I am not claiming that I had COVID. But I do know that this inhaler and other asthma and COPD related ones kept me out of hospital last year.

All drugs are a balance againts good and bad effects. If you can’t breathe because the bronchial tubes are swollen, this one is absolutely far more good than harm over a few weeks.

Perhaps it is because I spend so much time in hospitals talking to doctors – had cancer as well! – that I feel I have a very balanced and well informed view of the medical profession. COVID has taken them by surprie, They dont know how to treat it, They are beginning to find out. The UK is pushing ahead with mass vaccination of relatively untested vaccines. All that has been done is to make sure they dont in fact kill you. Whether they work or not is still up in the air. Only death and hospitalization rates relative to other countries that are lagging will give us a hint – and even then it won’t be proof.

In short we and the medical profession are in a high state of ignorance about this disease. Ignorance breeds fear.

This post is really there to say, don’t be scared of this inhaler.. It’s not a magic bullet, but it definitely helps.

Anything that keeps the deep areas of the lungs from getting infected will save your life

Reply to  Leo Smith
February 10, 2021 8:27 pm

I have an anecdotal story which is somewhat related. I took ill in late November of 2019 with a very odd flu(?). By early December whatever this was had caused all of my neck muscles to become permanently tight feeling, and my left arm and shoulder became negatively affected. My nose/sinuses were also impacted. I kept hoping that something would change for the better. Then in mid January of 2020 as the negative effects worsened I finally decided that it was time to find a remedy, or risk shortening my life. That led me to discover how to use 3 important ancient herbal remedies from India. These swiftly resolved my tight neck muscles and alleviated the pain and discomfort in the left side of my body. More than that it changed the two very negative indicators on my daily urine test strips from the top of the color range, and put them all the way back down to normal.

The first color change was the micro-albumin count. This happened after 10 days of using the herbals. The second change occurred in early December of 2020 when my high creatinine count started dropping, and then swiftly moved all the way down to normal. These were the two main indicators for kidney failure, and were the reason why I was told to start dialysis exactly 3 years ago this month.

There was one other trick though which I thought of on my own. This had to do with bringing my nose/sinuses back to normal. I have a Rangpur lime tree which over the last 4 years has been yielding as much as 150 pounds of limes. I generally juice most of these, and then cook the juice down to a thick syrup. That can then be mixed with oranges, grapefruit, or blackberries to make an excellent tasting jam. What caught my attention with these mixtures is that they are the most durable mixes which I have ever seen, and I am saying that after my long history of working as a kitchen manager for decades processing fresh foods daily. I had a quart jar of the pure concentrated lime which sat in my fridge for 2 years with only a loose lid and at times with no lid on the container. After the first year I found myself wondering why doesn’t this stuff ever mold. So I got the bright idea several years ago to use it for treating eye infections of some of my cats. I first used it on myself as I was experiencing itchy eyes which I attributed to the possibility that this was caused by my cats eye issues. I then found that the juice of the Rangpur immediately relieved the itchy eyes. Next I started dosing the cats with a diluted solution on a wet paper towel. Within days any cat so treated saw improvement, and within no longer than one week the eye issue was completely gone for the cat.

Then I got the bright idea to use it on my stuffy sinus condition last year while I was knocking out the heart and sore left arm issue. The juice did that job admirably, and after a week of snorting a bit of juice multiple times a day my sinuses and my lungs were fully cleared. I even find myself wondering now if this juice could be used to fight the covid virus by taking in small amounts via an atomizer. It is obviously highly resistant to mold and bacteria. The juice and/or the syrup/jam even has alleviated to some degree my upper gastric problems which I have had for some years now ( likely from too much strong coffee and too many years of steady drinking before getting wiser). Also, I have not gotten sick since that episode a bit over a year ago even when others in the area have taken ill. So who knows. My ever curious mind wonders about this.

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Tom Abbott
Reply to  Leo Smith
February 10, 2021 9:00 pm

“I am still here. I take 6 pills a day. They want me to take more but the statins make my arthritis amazingly worse.”

Some people substitute COQ10 for those statins.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 10, 2021 9:18 pm

Arjuna is most likely the specific herbal which alleviated the soreness in the left side of my body. That is where COQ10 is derived from. The other two herbals were ashwagandha which is complementary to arjuna, and gokshura which is supposed to aid the kidneys and liver.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 11, 2021 3:48 am

yes because thats a sign of Rhabdomylosis and you should STOP statins immediately.
and your GP should be fully aware of that risk n harm.
I have severe RA and statins had me lying down crying with musclejoint pains after about 3 pills

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Leo Smith
February 10, 2021 11:49 pm

All drugs are a balance againts good and bad effects.

I absolutely agree. I started taking beta-blockers a few years ago to help my migraines. They were coming about twice a month, and lasted for 3 days. I was taking serious amounts of codeine to deal with them. Sometimes I had 2 ‘back to back’ for up to a week at a time.

Once I started the medicine, they all but disappeared. My life changed dramatically. Now the doc warned me about long term effects and wants to try other drugs. None work, so I’m sticking with these, despite a possibility of them actually causing my death. I prefer to live well and pain free for a short time than like that for a long time.

A strange side effect is that I don’t get hangovers any more.

Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
February 11, 2021 8:51 am

Beta blockers are well known as a migraine prophylactic. The problem with them is that they cause depressive illness in some people. You are one of the lucky ones.

Reply to  Leo Smith
February 11, 2021 4:53 am

Thanks for sharing Leo Smith. Great comment. One question- how did you know the chicken feathers were 100 yo?
From reading the post on green funerals, I may look into this media as a stuffing. But will it accomplish my goals? Hmmm….

Mark A Luhman
February 10, 2021 8:01 pm

I am a long term asthma suffer, I have a great ceritanty I had COVID in March yet of all the thing I experienced it stayed out of my lungs(thank God, the flu two years ago did not and nearly killed me!) Was it the fact I take Dulera, two puffs twice a day? God will only know(oh by the way I am an Agnostic.)

February 10, 2021 8:04 pm

All these drugs are off patent so no money for Big Pharma.

February 10, 2021 9:36 pm

This is big news that you almost certainly won’t see on the “news”. That is unless it becomes too big to censor. Then you will see the “news” bring in all kinds of supposed experts to try and deny it just as they did with HCQ.

Fred McAuliffe
February 10, 2021 10:32 pm

An inhaler made by Astra Zeneca (Symbicort) is A common inhaler for asthma and COPD it contains budesonide and formoterol. I use it 2 puffs morning and evening for chronic asthma. It’s not exactly cheap, $432.00 per puffer at Walmart, $354.89 with GoodRX discount. Budesonide is sold over the counter in Rhinocort Allergy Spray (Nasal spray) for roughly $19.00

Reply to  Fred McAuliffe
February 14, 2021 11:39 am

Astra Zeneca fabricates this product in Canada, and it’s exported to the US. But Canadians need a prescription .

It would cost me $200 to ask my private physician for a prescription over the phone, with only the faintest chance of success. Even with a prescription, the pharmacist can refuse to fill it without a label-compliant diagnosis.

The four million-odd Quebeckers who don’t have a family physician and can’t afford a private one don’t have a snowflake’s chance in hell of getting this from a walk in clinic.

The pandemic appears increasingly to be a global cattle drive designed to fleece humanity to the max, and perhaps worse. Hopefully the end goal is not a ‘buffalo jump’.

Matthew Sykes
February 10, 2021 11:40 pm

Smokers are also underrepresented. Turns out smoke kills the virus in the throat. Same way smoke kills bacteria on bacon.

Reply to  Matthew Sykes
February 11, 2021 3:52 am

yeah quite a bit on smokers NOT being very represented in UK the few who were didnt have great survival rates but they really were the rarer cases
then suddenl;y
all went quiet….

Nick Graves
February 11, 2021 12:38 am

Dr. Mercola also claims miraculous results by inhaling nebulised food-grade hydrogen peroxide 0.1%.

Going directly to the heart (well, pulmonary) of the problem seems to make sense.

But it’s cheap and too close to “injecting disinfectant” or whatever Bad Orange Man was alleged to have have mused.

February 11, 2021 2:32 am

A west Texas doctor, Richard Bartlett, has been successfully prescribing budesonide as a COVID treatment for many months.

February 11, 2021 3:15 am

script only so now watch the docs refuse
why do I say that?
because I care for an elderly person with severe COPD her GP will NOT give her a script for nebuliser version steroid found useful which IS pbs ok, keeps palming her off with oral steroids that just arent working.
the majority of our GPs need a good kick in the ass re Covid treatments
some idiots proposing to give the vax at chemists n clinics not at docs
so when someone keels over in a chemist whos going to be able to save em?

Reply to  ozspeaksup
February 11, 2021 5:05 am

“That’s why they have the EMS shows on telly, so people know what to do. I would loosen their necktie and tell em: learn to code.”

As a former chemist, I assemble that remark!

Barry Clarke
February 11, 2021 4:09 am

i have taken budesonide for many years, it is prescribed in the uk as a preventer, although i used it successfully as a emergency treatment two weeks ago.

its branded in the uk as duo resp spiromax.
the packaging and dispenser are different to the above photo.

last spring the doctor changed the above prescription for symbicort which among other things contains budesonide.with no explanation.

two weeks ago i could no breath properly ventolin did not work which is a emergency treatment for COPD and asthma.

i remembered seeing a youtube video of a north American doctor who noticed people who he prescribed budesonide too did not seem to get covid so he prescribed it too covid suffers in his practice, the results were almost instantaneous, with symptoms of covid diminished or gone completely.

i took 4 puffs of budesonide and within mins i was feeling a lot better, i have not relapsed into this very sever state , i cannot state enough how bad i was feeling, normally in COPD yyou have a gradual loss capacity with is cured with Ventolin.

did i have covid i dont know , the symptoms were certainly covid ,

as above the use of budesonide has been noticed far sooner by the American doctor and probably a lot more frontline doctors ,yet ive never seen it mentioned as a treatment in the uk or even a possible treatment, till this oxford trial.

only today on the bbc it was announced that asthma suffers would go on the priority list for vaccination, almost like the counter narrative again by the bbc and their masters.

i will not take the vaccine , although it has been offered to me, i 3 packs of duo resp left. i am not going to be a test subject for these desperate quacks playing politics and agendas .

February 11, 2021 4:36 am

The only word of caution is that asthmatics tend to be younger so unless the data was adjusted for age this result may be a little skewed. COVID deaths tend to overwhelmingly occur in those 70 and over whilst asthma is a problem predominantly for those under 70.

February 11, 2021 8:19 am

If any treatment can reduce the severity of covid 19 by more than 50%, then it becomes LESS dangerous than the HxNx flu. So far early treatment with chloroquine, ivermectin, and now low dose pulmonary steroids all seem to have some efficacy. Add vitamin D prophylaxis, and the whole story falls apart.

February 11, 2021 9:20 am

I can’t help but wonder if this will be widely publicized or if it will be squashed.

February 11, 2021 9:47 am

Does anyone know of any similar information regarding other, similar, asthma treatments?

February 11, 2021 11:01 am

Didn’t expect there would be so many on here that believe this corona farce.

February 11, 2021 1:44 pm

Since not all asthmatics will be on Budesonide, it seems reasonable to look at the ones who are on a variety of inhaled steroids. Asthmatics and COPD sufferers are grossly under-represented in the deaths and serious illness stats.

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