Nor’easters would be disastrous to a Green America

Most of the country cannot survive and flourish with intermittent electricity

By Ronald Stein

Ambassador for Energy & Infrastructure, Irvine, California

Wind chills below zero from a nor’easter have hit much of the country.  President Biden’s push to go Green at any cost would leave America dependent on intermittent electricity from wind turbines and solar panels.  This would be an energy disaster.

The Democratic platform loves California and wants to clone its policies and regulations for the other 49 states. Biden should open his eyes to what is going on in California, before cloning it for the other 49 states. To meet its electrification goals of the state, California professes to be the leader of everything but has become the State that  imports more electricity than any other state, through its dysfunctional energy policies.

California has the least reliable electrical power system in the nation. Between 2008 and 2017, California was the leading U.S. state for individual power outages with almost 4,297 blackouts in the ten-year period, more than 2.5 times as many as its closest rival, Texas. Power outages are now commonplace in California.

California energy policies have made the state’s electricity and fuel prices among the highest in the nation which have been contributory to the rapid growth of “energy poverty” for most Californians including the 18 million (45 percent of the 40 million Californians) that represent the Hispanic and African American populations of the state. Why does Biden want to clone California for the other 49 states?

The wealthier developed countries that have access to continuous uninterruptible electricity from coal, natural gas, and nuclear, also have access to heating, air conditioning, and insulation that has virtually eliminated weather related deaths. In the last 80 years, climate-related deaths have gone down by a rate of 98%. Globally, the individual risk of dying from weather-related disasters declined by 98 percent from a high of almost 500,000 deaths in 1920 from floods, droughts, storms, wildfires, and extreme temperatures.

With Biden’s plan to go Green, and rely on intermittent electricity from wind and solar, he is promoting a reversal of the climate-related fatalities as few other states have the temperate climate as California. The state of California can survive on dysfunctional energy policies as the growing outages are not impacting the public and businesses like they would in other states with much harsher temperature extremes.

Yes, getting-off-fossil fuels would reduce those fossil fuel emissions, but it would also drastically impact the lifestyles that we have become accustomed, and surprisingly few would live beyond 40+, as getting-off-fossil fuels would result in reverting to extensive diseases and weather-related deaths, which fossil fuels and electricity from natural gas, nuclear, and coal have virtually eliminated.

With the nor’easter storm hitting much of the East Coast, maybe Biden and America should learn something about Europe’s experiences with wind and solar during those harsh times when continuous, uninterruptible, reliable electricity is required to maintain the basics of living in extreme climate conditions as chaotic wind and solar collapses are threatening an entire Europe-wide blackout.

California has been following Germany trying to be a leader on climate change, by phasing out nuclear and natural gas power plants, and pioneering a system of subsidies for industrial wind and solar as part of a continuing effort to fight global warming.

In recent years, California continues to downsize its natural gas fleet. At the same time, the states “green” religion remains adamantly against coal, natural gas, nuclear, and hydro power plants. In the near term, California has five more power plants to shutter in the cross hairs – the last nuclear plant at Diablo Canyon and four more natural gas power plants.

To compound the dysfunctionality, ramifications from Governor Newsom’s recent Executive order to ban the sale of gas-powered vehicles by 2035 will be devastating to the state’s economy and environment, as the Governor wants to add more electrical charging demands onto a dysfunctional energy program. The state has already sacrificed reliable electrical power on the altar of the fight against global warming.

Biden may be unaware that the temperate climate on the West coast is not representative of the extreme weather conditions encountered throughout most of America.  California may be more tolerant to dysfunctional energy policies that are putting more reliance on intermittent electricity from wind and solar, but the rest of the country needs continuous and uninterruptable electricity for life and business to survive and flourish.

Ronald Stein, P.E.

Ambassador for Energy & Infrastructure

http://www.energyliteracy.net/

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Richard (the cynical one)
February 8, 2021 11:06 pm

Ignorance can be educated. Willful stupidity is unfixable and unforgivable.

Doug Huffman
Reply to  Richard (the cynical one)
February 9, 2021 3:23 am

G. Gordon Liddy called it “invincible ignorance.”

The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense. “My neighbor agreed that it is truth, so it must be.”

Intelligent Dasein
Reply to  Doug Huffman
February 9, 2021 4:27 am

“Invincible ignorance” refers to someone who, through no fault of their own, does not know the truths of the revealed religion and who therefore will be judged by God according to the natural law. It is a soteriological term, not a synonym for incurably stupid people.

I am sick of people misusing this phrase. It ranks right up there with people saying “begs the question” when they mean “raises the question.”

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Intelligent Dasein
February 9, 2021 10:10 am

It is merely the opposite of the three flavours of “vincible” ignorance, as in the innocence of a child. Yes it is part of catholic theology, but it has found its way into common language since the 3rd century. “Begs the question” is also more often used to mean “raises the question”, than pointing to a circular argument fallacy. Language changes.

Richard (the cynical one)
Reply to  Intelligent Dasein
February 9, 2021 5:59 pm

I feel my ignorance re ‘invincible ignorance’, a term I was unaware of, has had the first steps of an education. My soteriological studies never touched on it, so were probably in a different stream of the faith.

There are so many misused phrases, so much incorrect grammar, such pervasive verbal sloppiness, but unfortunately ‘usage determines meaning’ so the devolution of language is an irresistible downhill slide. I grit my teeth.

Neo
Reply to  Richard (the cynical one)
February 9, 2021 10:33 am

Isn’t that the converse of being a Gnostic ?

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Rory Forbes
February 8, 2021 11:08 pm

Biden may be (is) unaware that the temperate climate on the West coast is not representative of the extreme weather conditions encountered throughout most of America.

I believe it’s a simple fact that ‘President’ Biden is likely “unaware” of nearly all aspects of the US at present. He’s possibly the first completely empty suit ever elected by a a tiny minority. It’s unlikely that he has any idea of the importance of the documents his handlers hand him to sign in record numbers.

Mikee
Reply to  Rory Forbes
February 9, 2021 1:18 am

The emperor has no clothes on!

Ed Reid
Reply to  Mikee
February 9, 2021 4:26 am

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CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  Ed Reid
February 9, 2021 6:44 am

+1000.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Mikee
February 9, 2021 12:06 pm

Pretty obvious who is really in control of the Biden WH.

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Barnes Moore
Reply to  Rory Forbes
February 9, 2021 5:35 am

He was caught on a hot mic saying he did not know what he was signing, and was told to just sign it. The puppet masters, likely led by Obama are in full control. If Trump had done what Beijing Buyden is doing, dems would be flooding the courts with lawsuits to stop him.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Barnes Moore
February 9, 2021 10:16 am

He was caught on a hot mic

I didn’t know that, but I’m not surprised. So the media is still riding shotgun for his gaffs. You’ll notice that his (Dr.) wife is rarely out of arms reach and Kamala is almost always in the frame too (like a cackling vulture … waiting … waiting). If she could circle overhead, that’s where she would be.

Duker
Reply to  Rory Forbes
February 9, 2021 1:14 pm

No he wasnt. Barnes made it up. When Trump made his WH speech way back when the country first restricted travel from overseas, Trump flubbed the autocue so much he ‘banned’ Us citizens from returning until the correction was issued by WH.
It wasnt a ‘hot mike’ incident but now he has to explain how to told a crowd to ‘go up to the capitol and fight’. Apparently the original plan was have the crowd stay in front of the WH….

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Duker
February 9, 2021 2:18 pm

Non sequitur.

Duker
Reply to  Rory Forbes
February 9, 2021 7:09 pm

Pence had an office in WH too and was often pictured hovering in background….your point was.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Duker
February 9, 2021 7:25 pm

My point was clearly beyond your comprehension. Others seem to have caught it.

MarkW
Reply to  Rory Forbes
February 10, 2021 9:56 am

That’s the point. He has no interest in getting your point. His only goal is to attack the evil Trump and by inference defend his team.

MarkW
Reply to  Duker
February 10, 2021 9:54 am

Love the way how Trump haters have to take his words out of context in order to defend their president.
The fight in this context was the political fight, not a physical one. Either you have never read the entire speech, or only read it looking for things you could cherry pick to make Trump look bad.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  MarkW
February 10, 2021 10:40 am

You could rearrange that speech any way you want and still not find anything inflammatory or seditious. Compare it to Chuck Schumer threatening the Supreme Court on the steps of the House … or Kamala Harris encouraging the whole country to “burn it all down” if Trump is elected and the words of crazy Maxine Waters whipping up her followers to violate all republicans, wherever they are, home, office or in public. There are many more examples, but we already know they’re hypocrites and terrified of Trump.

Duker
Reply to  Rory Forbes
February 9, 2021 1:22 pm

elected by a a tiny minority”
Same numbers in the EC as in 2016, and the nationwide popular vote … its was almost 8 mill

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Duker
February 9, 2021 2:23 pm

You’re living in La La Land. I’ll bet you also believe that Biden had the greatest number of votes of any president. It was a statistical impossibility for Biden to have won the election.

Duker
Reply to  Rory Forbes
February 9, 2021 7:17 pm

Yes he did, and so did Trump have the second highest votes ever.
That statistical impossibility stuff promoted by ‘krakenpots’ is at the sort of level they show high students how to dismiss as statistical nonsense
eg ..However, research papers and academics consulted by Reuters consistently say that deviation from Benford’s Law does not prove election fraud took place…
Back in 2011 a paper was written debunking it
“a study called “Benford’s Law and the Detection of Election Fraud”, published in 2011 by Joseph Deckert, Mikhail Myagkov, Professor of Political Science at the University of Oregon (here) and Peter Ordeshook, Professor of Political Science at Caltech (here), found that Benford’s Law was “problematical at best” when applied to elections: “We find that conformity with and deviations from Benford’s Law follow no pattern. […] Its “success rate” either way is essentially equivalent to a toss of a coin, thereby rendering it problematical at best as a forensic tool and wholly misleading at worst.”
Oh dear , the Guy who wanted Georgia to ‘fix the result his way’ claims fraud ?

Same goes for the Florida- Ohio combination, yes the winner has missed those states before

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Duker
February 9, 2021 8:35 pm

Yes he did, and so did Trump have the second highest votes ever.

I’m not at all surprised you believe that.

However when Benford’s Law is factored together with the numerous documented irregularities, like sharp jumps in polling results hours after the polls closed, dead people voting, out of state voters, unsigned ballots, forged ballots, hundreds of eye witnesses and photographic evidence etc., it closes in on near perfect predictive skill.

Then compare the obvious … 10s and 10s of thousands of supporters turning out at dozens of Trump rallies to the 10s of supporters at Biden rallies. (don’t even mention that Democrats were following Kung-flu restrictions). Assessing all factors, a liberal estimation of Biden’s total vote was unlikely to have reached 50 million.

The big question is; why wouldn’t the courts hear the numerous valid cases? Answer, raw fear of the reprisals promised by people like Kamala Harris. The judiciary pooped their pants and decided (wrongly) that four years of a demented criminal was better than a possible civil war or probable crippling riots.

MarkW
Reply to  Duker
February 10, 2021 9:55 am

How many of those 8 million were legal votes?

Bob Hunter
Reply to  Rory Forbes
February 9, 2021 1:48 pm

47yrs experience in govt.
Vs
Obama, part time state legislator who abstained more than 140x, part time law school instructor, one term US senator who missed many votes as he was running for president, community organizer (ok a real job)

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Bob Hunter
February 9, 2021 2:25 pm

And just think, Biden is even more of an empty suit than Obama was. The Dems sure do know how to pick ’em.

Climate believer
February 8, 2021 11:16 pm
Tom Abbott
Reply to  Climate believer
February 9, 2021 5:52 am

Ole Gavin is starting to sweat now. 🙂

He brought in on himself with his bad decisionmaking.

Curious George
Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 9, 2021 7:40 am

The bad decisionmaking made him governor. Oh, California ..

TonyG
Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 9, 2021 8:21 am

Knowing California, his replacement will be even worse.

Jon Salmi
Reply to  TonyG
February 9, 2021 12:17 pm

How does Gov. Eleni Kounalakis sound. She is our current Lt. Governor. She is largely from the same mold as our current leftist/progressive/dunderhead Gov. Newsom.

TonyG
Reply to  Jon Salmi
February 9, 2021 12:48 pm

Probably who they’ll end up with.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 9, 2021 12:09 pm

He’s banking on Cal Democratic Party’s well-oiled Ballot Harvesting Machine funded by public unions to save his sorry arse.

Zigmaster
February 8, 2021 11:26 pm

I love the way renewables work. They tend to work well when it doesn’t really matter but if it’s a cold blast or a heat wave that’s when it is vulnerable to blackouts. Nuts!

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Zigmaster
February 9, 2021 1:28 am

That’s how many things work. One of the wise lessons my parents passed on was to never get into debt, because a bank will lend you an umbrella when the sun shines and asks it back when it rains.

Kevin kilty
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
February 9, 2021 7:59 am

So true!

Joe B
February 8, 2021 11:52 pm

The spot wholesale electricity price on New England’s ISO site has been hovering between $80 and $150 per Megawatt hour for the past several days and the Day Ahead pricing – the bulk of the electricity cost – has been even higher.
The precarious times will be this weekend and the following week as their fuel supplies may run low with an extended period of high consumption (coal and oil).

For some context with these excruciating Save The Planet endeavors, the recently opened Haoji Railway in China will transport 200 million tonnes of coal per year to power plants.
That is sufficient to fuel 60 massive 1,000 Megawatt plants.

Mebbee Greta needs to give Chairman Xi a scolding.

Rhs
Reply to  Joe B
February 9, 2021 2:20 am

No scolding needed, just her constipated death stare of doom…

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Joe B
February 9, 2021 5:02 am

I check out that ISO site frequently: https://www.iso-ne.com/isoexpress/web/charts

It’s interesting to look at the fuel chart- then click on the button for renewables. I see what wind and solar are producing when the weather is bad- not much.

Barnes Moore
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
February 9, 2021 5:46 am

That was enlightening. When looking at the fuel mix, the chart shows “renewables” at 5%. When you click on the renewable tab, it shows that of the 5%, wind is 5% and solar less than 1%, while wood makes up 48%, refuse makes up 43% and landfill gas makes up 3% – that is if I am reading the chart correctly.

Joe B
Reply to  Barnes Moore
February 9, 2021 6:39 am

Mr. Moore, yes, you are reading/doing that correctly.

If you look at the “Fuel Mix Graph” – just to the left of the Fuel Mix Chart – and click on the 3 horizontal lines near the top, the precise number of generated Megawatts will be displayed from the different sources in ~10 minute increments.
As of this posting, New England is consuming over 17, 000 Megawatts, of which 35 – say again, 35 – are coming from the wind.

Barnes Moore
Reply to  Joe B
February 9, 2021 8:36 am

Thanks again. Excellent information. One question – I poked around the site a little looking for the overall installed capacity for the fuel mix, but did not find it – likely given my limited search ability. Is that info available? Just interested in looking at the relative capacity factors as well as what was actually produced.

Joe B
Reply to  Barnes Moore
February 9, 2021 1:40 pm

Mr. Moore,
The EIA.gov site would have all of that info (and way more) using their Electricity Data Browser portal.
Hundreds of macro and ultra micro bits of info posted in up to date fashion are accessible, although it can be overwhelming poking around there.

From memory for New England …
3 nuke plants at ~3,400 Mw capacity
1 oil plant (Wyman) ~700 Mw
2 remaining coal ~860 Mw (Bridgeport retiring in a few weeks with ~400 gone).
A dozen gassers with ~15,000 Mwh produced past August when gas supply was abundant. Note … several are dual fuel and can burn #6 oil WHEN backup supply is available.
Hydro has produced ~2,000 Mw recently. All from small, regional supplies.
The remaining tree/trash/wind/”sun” crap never interested me as it is so inconsequential, but the EIA folks certainly have those plant numbers.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Barnes Moore
February 9, 2021 7:03 am

As a forester, I keep bugging the greens in New England about this chart. Sometimes I do a screen capture- then send it to them. They hate wood energy so I love to point out how much there is. And that’s despite ferocious hatred of woody biomass by the greens who have managed to kill it in southern New England. Dartmouth college in VT was going to install a huge woody biomass power plant to serve the college- but the greens killed it. Wood energy in New England could easily grow 1,000% if allowed- resulting in improved forests. Most of the woody biomass power plants still in New England must get their wood from managed forests. Nobody is stupid enough to clear cut a forest for biomass because its value is far less than sawlogs- so it’s only the wood that has no other market that goes to biomass. Most comes from thinnings. I’ve done some rank amateur videos showing a few of my thinning projects: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDSSBNyIRbE&t=290s and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMrfAVsxKyI

I’ve also made a video of a dam solar “farm” built next to my neighborhood in north central Mass. : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYYVZKgusU4&t=15s

Here, I’m in constant battle against greens wanting to cover the state with wind and solar energy- who also hate all forestry. In my videos, I’m trying to be polite and not express my true anger. Not easy as I have a bad temper when it comes to people who think my work is destroying the planet.

For anyone who thinks woody biomass is a terrible thing resulting in damaged forests- check out the Facebook photo albums of another forester in this area. His site shows just how great good forestry is, especially when there is a biomass market: https://www.facebook.com/pg/MikeLeonardConsultingForester/photos/?tab=albums

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
February 9, 2021 10:28 am

Dartmouth is in New Hampshire, just across the Connecticut River from Vermont.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
February 9, 2021 11:33 am

Funny how folks in the forestry industry imagine themselves to be experts in the energy industry. Stick to what you know, Joe.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
February 9, 2021 5:16 pm

I know about biomass energy. Infinitely more about it than non forestry people know about forestry.

Kevin kilty
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
February 9, 2021 8:08 am

Great link, Joe. Thanks.

Gary
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
February 9, 2021 9:20 am

That is an extremely cool site. We need more sites like it.

Scissor
Reply to  Joe B
February 9, 2021 5:47 am

Just raise the minimum wage to $60/hr and then everyone can afford reliable backups.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Scissor
February 10, 2021 5:21 am

Sixty dollars an hour is not enough, we should make it $100 an hour. AOC told me this is a good idea.

Yes, if we are going to distort the labor and job markets, we might as well go for broke.

MarkW
Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 10, 2021 10:00 am

One young communist told me that it’s not enough to have a minimum wage, but there needs to be a maximum wage as well.
Ideally, the two should be the same.

Peter W
Reply to  Joe B
February 9, 2021 12:45 pm

This is why, after a serious study of climate change and the way things were going, I moved us from New England to Florida back in 2016! Even Florida got a bit cold this winter, but it is survivable with appropriate clothing if needed.

griff
February 9, 2021 12:30 am

has become the State that  imports more electricity than any other state‘. But hasn’t it always imported electricity? I’m not finding it easy to get figures historically, but certainly the position hasn’t changed in the last 5 years.

Increased renewables are surely not increasing use of out of state electricity…

and California has had an unstable grid for a long time: I myself was astonished when the power went out in the SF business district during the working day on a visit back in 2006… it never, ever happened in 30 odd years working in London.

Pointing to the state of Californian electricity and the applying that to a renewable powered East coast is yet another apples and pears comparison.

you’d be better off looking at Germany – where the power seems to still be on today.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  griff
February 9, 2021 10:32 am

The destruction of California has been a long time in the making. 2006 is quite recent for those of us who remember what it was like in the ’50s. San Francisco was a delightful city at one time, and power outages were very rare except during storms.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  griff
February 9, 2021 11:42 am

Cal’s forced retirement of multiple NG power plants and San Onofre Nuclear Power plant in SoCal is causal to the situation Cal now finds itself in. They had planned two more NG plant retirements (w/o replacement) in the next 3 year, but Newsom had to order a delay to that last August after the black-outs. The situation in Cal will be dire by 2025 with the retirement of further NG power plants and the Diablo Canyon Nuclear power plant retirement.

The coming electricity crisis in California has been foreseen and projected for at least 10 years now by sane engineers. We can put a pretty good estimate of the date on which the California power shortfall becoming a real crisis that cannot be easily fixed around 2024-2026. A probable summer 2025 crisis of rolling blackouts is in the cards for Cal residents.

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MarkW
Reply to  griff
February 9, 2021 12:20 pm

Yes California has needed to import electricity for a long time.
However, thanks to big increases in renewables along with the shutting down of reliable energy sources, the amount of electricity that California has to import has been going up.

Reply to  griff
February 9, 2021 1:10 pm

you’d be better off looking at Germany – where the power seems to still be on today.

Because we still have enough back-up…..

MarkW
Reply to  Krishna Gans
February 10, 2021 10:06 am

In griff’s “mind”, if something is working today, this proves that it will always work.
This applies to everything except climate. With climate, no matter how good things are today, one of these days the climate is going to kill all of us.

Joe B
Reply to  griff
February 9, 2021 1:57 pm

griff,
You may want to check in regularly on the CAISO site to get quick, real time info of what is going on.
Specifically, note the graphical shape of the solar input throughout the day (>11,000 Mw is routine) and how it drops precipitously late afternoon just as demand ramps up strongly.
This is when the in state gassers produce ~26,000 Mw and imports from out of state can exceed 20,000 Mw. Total consumption on hot afternoons can surpass 50,000 Mw.

The problems with California are too numerous too note here, but unreliable supply at nose bleed pricing will become the norm during extended heat spells.

Ed Zuiderwijk
February 9, 2021 1:25 am

As long as California can import its shortfall of power supply the penny will not drop. As it happens, most of that imported power comes from Red states which in their own right may have to face shortages under the new regime. However, nothing stops the republican governments of those states to draft and pass laws that prevent export of electricity when their own requirement has not been met first. If that causes energy starvation in some loony Blue states, well, tough.

pochas94
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
February 9, 2021 4:53 am

But, Ed, it’s not the Californian’s fault that they were born brainless.

bigoilbob
Reply to  pochas94
February 9, 2021 5:28 am

But, Ed, it’s not the Californian’s fault that they were born brainless.”

Whether or not they are “born brainless” they are smart enough not to stay that way. New California residents coming in from elsewhere are twice as likely to have a BS or higher when compared to those fleeing the state. Regardless of relative population trends, such brightsizing results in a meritorious cycle of improvement of achievement. Cal will continue to outperform the US as a whole….

Tom Abbott
Reply to  bigoilbob
February 9, 2021 6:02 am

” New California residents coming in from elsewhere are twice as likely to have a BS”

So those caravans headed to the U.S. southern border are filled with educated people who will add value to the United States?

I hope Biden redirects all those illegal aliens he is importing over to California.

bigoilbob
Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 9, 2021 6:13 am

So those caravans headed to the U.S. southern border are filled with educated people who will add value to the United States?”

First, most won’t enter in California. Second, the much larger, under reported influx of highly educated STEM pro’s makes the trend.

Yes, Cal has bad income inequality, with those doing vital work being under paid for it. Those are the folks here “illegally”, who make the state run, while the (mostly Repbu) employers and labor contractors wink wink and act with impunity. Biden’s immigration reforms, back to historical norms in times of reduced xenophobia, will help.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  bigoilbob
February 9, 2021 10:43 am

“historical norms in times of reduced xenophobia,”
You seem to be totally unfamiliar with how the native Indians, Chinese, Japanese, and Mexicans have been treated in the past.

Like most Liberals, you create a fantasy world of how you think things should be, and then after convincing yourself of this fantasy, attempt to convince others that your views track reality. It is a mental aberration that seems to afflict all left-hand thread wingnuts.

MarkW
Reply to  bigoilbob
February 9, 2021 12:23 pm

It really is fascinating how progressives actually believe that anyone who disagrees with them is evil.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  MarkW
February 10, 2021 6:08 am

That’s because those on the radical Left believe their political positions always hold the moral highground, and anyone who doesn’t agree with their political position is obviously morally inferior/evil.

The radical Left believes they are morally superior. It’s more properly descibed as blind arrogance.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  bigoilbob
February 10, 2021 5:23 am

“First, most won’t enter in California”

Yeah, I think California has a completed border wall now, thanks to Trump, so the illegal aliens go where there is no wall.

bigoilbob
Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 10, 2021 6:02 am

Yeah, I think California has a completed border wall now, thanks to Trump”

Uh, ok…

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/01/30/trumps-border-wall-falls-over-high-winds-california-mexico/4618372002/

Oh, BTW, will you let us know when the Mex check clears?

bigoilbob
Reply to  bigoilbob
February 10, 2021 6:11 am

Sorry to bother you with the request Tom, but I’m hoping that we can take those pesos and use them to rehab some of the substandard military housing that is now being neglected because of Trumps $ diversion to his fall down walls….

Tom Abbott
Reply to  bigoilbob
February 11, 2021 4:44 am

Well, those extra pesos are available due to the new Mexican trade agreement. I suggest you lobby your local representatives to spend some of that new tax money on whatever you think should be a priority.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  bigoilbob
February 11, 2021 4:42 am

The Mex check has already cleared. You know, that new trade agreement Trump made with Mexico leaves a lot more money in the U.S., than before the agreement, and the taxes on that extra money will more than pay for the cost of the border wall.

And that extra money isn’t just a one-time deal, the U.S. gets that extra money every year from now until the end of time, unless they change the trade deal. We can build lots of border walls with that extra money. Maybe we should put one on the Canadian border, too.

Reply to  bigoilbob
February 9, 2021 6:05 am

Yes, the BS is getting more concentrated in California.

I have one of those pieces of paper myself. It doesn’t mean that I am any smarter than my auto mechanic. Far less so when it came to getting a spark plug out that had essentially welded itself into the head.

You can have a State that is composed entirely of “Doctor Jill Bidens.” Which will leave you with nobody to figure out how to change the light bulbs.

bigoilbob
Reply to  writing observer
February 9, 2021 6:15 am

I have one of those pieces of paper myself. It doesn’t mean that I am any smarter than my auto mechanic.”

True, but if your degree is in STEM, and you actually studied, instead of relying on fraternity files, you can do things more valued by us than him/her.

And yes, we need auto mechanics. Just not working as engineers….

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  bigoilbob
February 9, 2021 10:38 am

So, the proof of your assertion is that California is a model of efficiency, with a low cost of living, and a low-stress lifestyle? If it weren’t for the climate, the state would empty out in a heart-beat! The ones that aren’t leaving the state are moving to the rural areas, which is one reason fires have become a major issue.

bigoilbob
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
February 9, 2021 11:24 am

So, the proof of your assertion is that California is a model of efficiency, with a low cost of living, and a low-stress lifestyle?”

Not any more or less “efficient”, but unlike most red states, they do manage to make it as one of the biggest “givers” w.r.t. federal spending. Not a “low cost of living”. Not a “low stress lifestyle”. Successful strivers don’t necessarily look for the last 2.

“If it weren’t for the climate, state would empty out in a heart-beat!”

Well, there’s also the high tech synergy, the natural beauty, the great higher education infrastructure (in spite of the neutron bomb Prop 13) and fact that it’s a huge manufacturing and ag hub.

Sour grapes much? Sorry you couldn’t make it there, but glad you’re thriving in rural Ohio. Also glad my STEM son and DIL raising our grand kids in the SF bay area. We usually winter on the central coast and drive up to se them several times, but will instead summer in Marin to catch up with them, post pandemic.

Enjoy your weekly Cracker Barrel/Applebees trips….

MarkW
Reply to  bigoilbob
February 10, 2021 10:09 am

The elitism of your average progressive just drips off of them.
They are honestly incapable of believing that they can ever be wrong about anything.

MarkW
Reply to  bigoilbob
February 9, 2021 12:22 pm

Another over educated idiot who actually believes that haviing a Bachelor’s is proof that you are smarter than people who don’t.

bigoilbob
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
February 9, 2021 5:22 am

However, nothing stops the republican governments of those states to draft and pass laws that prevent export of electricity when their own requirement has not been met first.”

No need. The laws of economics worked. The people living in the supplier states are enriched from this arrangement. California is where the people are. Power is available from relatively sparsely populated border states, to the highest bidder. No need for burdensome regulations on rational interstate trade.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  bigoilbob
February 9, 2021 6:13 am

So Californians should accept periodic blackouts as business as usual.

I’m glad the laboratory is located in California and not in my State. My lights stay on 99 percent of the time. California is showing us how it should *not* be done.

California and Germany are two of the world’s Crashtest Dummies for testing unreliable power generation. Both of them are failing their citizens miserably as they try to replace fossil fuels and nuclear power generation with unreliable windmills and solar panels.

We can see it coming. It’s in the statistics. California and Germany’s delusional politicians have created a bad situation which will only get worse as they go down the unreliable power generation road.

All based on fraudulent climate science. There is no evidence that humans need to get off fossil fuels.

bigoilbob
Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 9, 2021 6:28 am

So Californians should accept periodic blackouts as business as usual.”

If that’s what the market tells us. What they should “accept” is:

  • High peak pricing, from either increased demand or reduced supply. If you pay, the power will be there.
  • Making those in hard to serve areas pay for the increased costs of that service. Buried lines, better built substations, home battery/inverter arrays, all high $. Why should those in the cities subsidize well heeled “living the dreamers”?

Cal has had contracted, interruptible service for decades. Even the operators of the offshore platforms, with the potential for high $ electrical *submergible pump failures, did the arithmetic and agreed to it. AGW has worsened the problem, but it will be managed. Ideally part of the solution will be an equitable carbon tax, administered in a value added fashion, from extraction to transportation to power production, to limit the communization of those costs onto the rest of us….

  • “submergible” = valid nomenclature, Cliffie Claviners. REDA has always called them that…
mkelly
Reply to  bigoilbob
February 9, 2021 7:47 am

There no such thing as “AGW” so it cannot worsen. California are harming it for no reason. Kinda like they have Munchausen by proxy.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  bigoilbob
February 10, 2021 6:12 am

“AGW has worsened the problem”

I bet you can’t prove that claim.

bigoilbob
Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 10, 2021 6:17 am

I bet you can’t prove that claim.”

15 seconds I’ll never get back. Pretty convincing to most of us, outside of alt.world But of course, there’s no such thing as acceptable proof of anything you don’t care to face in watts up subterranea…

https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2020/08/climate-change-is-worsening-californias-hellish-wildfires/#:~:text=Climate%20change%20has%20played%20a%20key%20role%20in%20worsening%20western%20wildfires.&text=Wildfire%20threats%20associated%20with%20normal,rainfall%20caused%20by%20climate%20change.

MarkW
Reply to  bigoilbob
February 10, 2021 10:10 am

Yet another over educated fool who actually believes propaganda over data.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  bigoilbob
February 11, 2021 4:53 am

There’s no evidence that CO2 is causing forest fires in California.

There *is* evidence that forest fires in California were worse in the past than they are now. And that was before CO2 became an issue.

So, today we have more CO2 in the atmosphere but fewer, less extreme forest fires in California than in the past.

And CO2 is not raising the temperatures in California, which is the claimed reason for why CO2 would make forest fires worse, but the facts are that California is in a temperature downtrend that CO2 does not seem to be able to stop.

Assertions of a connection between CO2 and forest fires is just that: assertions. Assertions are not proof.

starzmom
Reply to  bigoilbob
February 9, 2021 7:16 am

For most utilities, part of their agreements as regulated monopolies is that they will provide for their customers before selling power outside their service territory. So California will only be able to buy what is available. We in the midwest have very low temps right now, and no wind. I don’t think very much power will be available for export to other states.

bigoilbob
Reply to  starzmom
February 9, 2021 7:44 am

OK by me. Whether its peaker capacity, or renewable base load capacity, California SHOULD pay enough so the supplier states are incentified to build the extra capacity. FYI, those significant supplier states are not in the midwest, where you and I live.

Cal should pay for what it wants to do. The good news is that enough Cal residents are willing to do so.

Cal will continue to sort out, between those who want and can afford the $1M, 700 ft^2 Levittown houses near the beaches in Santa Barbara, and those who prefer that same house for $75K (or a $1M McMansion) near a smoldering fertilizer factory in the Texas. carcinogenic corridor…

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  bigoilbob
February 9, 2021 10:49 am

“California SHOULD pay enough so the supplier states are incentified to build the extra capacity.”

Why should Californians depend on other states to supply their power? It is a tacit admission that those controlling the legislature and the oversight commissions aren’t, or can’t do their jobs.

Doonman
Reply to  bigoilbob
February 9, 2021 11:13 am

And there you have it. Power poverty is OK for bigoilbob. He doesn’t care if your dialysis machine stops working because climate change.

February 9, 2021 2:32 am

Biden may not be aware…

TFTFY

February 9, 2021 2:54 am

A good article by Ron Stein. I sent him this note yesterday in response – all originally posted in 2002 and 2013 – obvious even then.

Under Biden and Trudeau, we are goose-stepping into energy and economic disaster.

wattsupwiththat.com/2021/02/07/winter-storm-threatens-germanys-powerfreezing-hell-threatens-if-already-rickety-grid-collapses/#comment-3178917
 
Posted in 2013:
wattsupwiththat.com/2013/11/01/water-is-replacing-climate-as-the-next-un-environmental-resource-scare/#comment-1131731
[excerpt]

My primary concern at this time is that Earth is about to enter a period of global cooling that could be severe, and could result in significant loss of life, especially among the elderly of Britain and Europe, since the fearless leaders of those countries have created “the perfect storm” by damaging their energy systems with costly and ineffective grid-connected wind and solar power schemes – “solutions” to a false global warming crisis in a cooling world.
 
We warned of this debacle in 2002, but to no effect. It has all, regrettably, unfolded as it should not have.
 
We wrote in 2002:
 
[PEGG, reprinted at their request by several other professional journals , the Globe and Mail and la Presse in translation, by Baliunas, Patterson and MacRae]
Formerly at:
apega.ca/members/publications/peggs/WEB11_02/kyoto_pt.htm
Now at:
friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/KyotoAPEGA2002REV1.pdf
 
On global warming:
“Climate science does not support the theory of catastrophic human-made global warming – the alleged warming crisis does not exist.”
 
On green energy:
“The ultimate agenda of pro-Kyoto advocates is to eliminate fossil fuels, but this would result in a catastrophic shortfall in global energy supply – the wasteful, inefficient energy solutions proposed by Kyoto advocates simply cannot replace fossil fuels.”
 

Ron Long
February 9, 2021 3:15 am

Excellent reporting, Ronald Stein, I started to read the article based on my wanting to start the day with a happy story, and the title “…disastrous to a Green America” sounded excellent. However, although some of my hoped-for thrills are in the report, the overall image shows a society hell-bent on emphasizing dysfunctional and destructive theories as guidance. Why? Follow the money. Bidens new COS was in the middle of the Solyndra scam during the Obama Administration (h/t Breitbart—isn’t it amazing how Andrew is a better reporter deceased than the majority of those alive?).

Roger
February 9, 2021 3:19 am

“Wind chills below zero” – what does that mean, in terms that anyone other than an American naturist can understand?

Doug Huffman
Reply to  Roger
February 9, 2021 3:35 am

Chill is a model of the sensation of air speed, air temperature, humidity on exposed human skin with limited warming power and normal skin moisture. Just more panic porn.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Doug Huffman
February 9, 2021 4:44 am

I think your use of the word “sensation” is an understatement. Wind chill is a real condition that describes the increased cooling effect of wind on exposed human skin.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Tom in Florida
February 9, 2021 5:04 am

But the effect isn’t just on exposed skin- if you’re not wearing a wind breaker, it goes right through you.

Ron Long
Reply to  Tom in Florida
February 9, 2021 5:49 am

Tom in Florida, you are correct in that wind chill is a measure of windy, humid, cold air to lower either exposed skin temperature, covered skin temperature, or (dangerously) lower core temperature. It is commonly expressed as time to freeze exposed skin in order to alert people, like Doug H above, to the danger.

mkelly
Reply to  Ron Long
February 9, 2021 6:17 am

Here in UP of Michigan we are conscious of the 30-30-30 rule. Meaning exposed skin will freeze in 30 seconds with a wind of 30 mph and a temperature of -30 F.

starzmom
Reply to  Roger
February 9, 2021 5:52 am

My weather people on TV call it the “feels like” temperature. It feels colder when the wind is blowing. While I think the term is intended to make people think it is much colder than it really is, it also has the effect of making people dress better for the weather, and especially to dress their kids better.

Kevin kilty
Reply to  Roger
February 9, 2021 8:17 am

While wind-chill refers specifically to how present combination of temperature and wind will remove heat from skin; it also applies in a general way to how rapidly your house and other structures will lose heat. Wind and cold puts a greater demand on heating systems, and fuel supplies, than does just cold alone.

beng135
Reply to  Roger
February 9, 2021 10:08 am

It means it’s nut-freezing cold.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Roger
February 9, 2021 10:54 am

Roger
You are reading an American-based blog! If you are unfamiliar with an American term, I suggest that you use your search engine:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_chill

Doug Huffman
February 9, 2021 3:31 am

The backyard thermometer indicates -6°F just now, and the NOAA NWS cautions wind chill is -25 to -30. We use electric baseboard heaters for legacy reasons (subsidized). I just went through the house making sure that they are all at least warm. The ones along the exterior walls are distinctly cooler than the interior one. The great room is 65°F, the bathroom is a bit warmer, The unheated bedroom (electric mattress + duvet) and the unheated office are 37°F.

In a while, before Milady Wife arises, I’ll add the propane gas log for the radiant heat for her.

We have seen -25°F temperatures in years gone by.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Doug Huffman
February 9, 2021 4:54 am

And this morning at 7:55 EST on the central west coast of Florida (as I write this), it is 65F, the Sun is up, the sky is blue, the plants are all green and sparkling with morning dew. I did have to put on a long sleeve shirt to go outside for my morning walk with my cat though. We are headed to about 75F today. Warmer is better.

Doug Huffman
Reply to  Tom in Florida
February 9, 2021 10:52 am

In a week I’ll be in Floral City on the Withlacoochee SP bike path for ten weeks of bicycling, sunshine, fresh fruits and vegetables, fish. The first thing I packed is the Rival Juice-O-Matic and I have asked for a bushel of Valencia to be waiting.

While there I will have my huge BMW diesel SUV serviced at Ocala BMW

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Doug Huffman
February 9, 2021 6:30 am

There would be a lot of burst water pipes if it ever got to -25F around here. Occasionally we will hit -5F here, maybe a little bit cooler sometimes. Right now the coldest temps being forecast for this area is about 9F. Subject to change. 🙂

That’s too cold for me. I like the warm weather.

RegGuheert
February 9, 2021 3:58 am

Good article. I have always put forth Nor’easters as the prime example of why you cannot depend solely on solar power for places such as the the Northeast of America.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  RegGuheert
February 9, 2021 5:08 am

Govenor Baker of Mass. vetoed a bill requring the state to be net free by 2050. The only reason is that the bill allows municipalities the right to have zoning laws requiring all new buildings to be net free. He said that the construction industry bitched about it. But the legislature passed the bill again- not sure if they removed that.

Peta of Newark
February 9, 2021 4:03 am

Could we lose the ‘Ambassador for Energy & Infrastructure‘ bit.
It is exactly the politics of the primary school playground and Lord Help Us, Warmists deluge with enough of that.

Again sorry but no.
the country needs continuous and uninterruptible electricity for life and business to survive and flourish”
Lets fix it:
the country needs a reliable supply of electricity for life and business to survive and flourish’
= Not the same thing

Monumental hubris, magical thinking and self-importance
In any case, no human engineered system has ever provided anything of that ilk and never will.
Human Engineered Systems Always Fall Over And Fail at some point. always ##

What’s the matter, scared of the dark are we? Scared of other people. Scared of the weather. Scared of children. Scared of potential violence and looting. Scared the CCTV will go down Scared the telly, moby or interweb might go off. Scared of some puny influenza virus. Scared of………………….

## This solar farm
haha, mushrooms flourish in the dark and we know what’s said about them

Geddit?
The very thing being demanded (continuous and uninterruptible electricity) is precisely what is keeping a lid on all those things.
Go fix them first
Start here: Parents’ warning after daughter
The tighter, bigger heavier the lid is, the bigger the bang will be when it does fail.
As it will. Nice not-so nice example:
family sue trading app
Is electricity required to ki11 yourself.
deaths hit record high

No, Government will suffice.
Dry Jan may not be the best idea
That’ll work a treat on the kids, what we waiting for..
Oh no, the kids are already drinking: Welsh Tory leader quits

Can Apps travel back in time. Might an electric grid, internet, phone network that ‘sleeps’ have saved that Robinhood kid – and how many more?
Coronavirus doctor’s diary
No matter, the continuous blah blah will have an App for that. They always do.
Apology after children

I could go, I often do but despite Amber Snow Doom & Gloom Warning still in force, my little Solar Power Meter says that, at Solar Noon today, 505 Watts per square metre are coming straight down and 1015 Watts looking straight at Old El Sol. ***
I’m gonna play some more
ttfn

That blast of Vitamin D worked fast..
Somebody Is Trying To Hide Something ain’t they:
Climate & Covid = Chaff

** Oh no, I need continuous leccy for my calculator, does my solar power result mean that El Sol is a exactly 30 degrees high?
sin(30) = 0.5

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Sara
February 9, 2021 4:45 am

Q: Why does Biden want to clone California for the other 49 states?
A: Because he is dumber than a someone in Congress hiding in her bathroom.

Quote: Biden may be unaware that the temperate climate on the West coast is not representative of the extreme weather conditions encountered throughout most of America. 
A: Uh, fella, Biden isn’t even aware of which foot his shoe is on.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Sara
February 9, 2021 6:46 am

AOC is a character. And her fans just eat that stuff up.

Our nation is now being run by clueless people like AOC. How much damage can they do between now and the 2022 midterm elections? I’m not sure, we’ll have to see. We’ll have to see how many obstacles Republicans can throw in their path.

If radical Democrat overreach doesn’t give control of the House to the Republicans in 2022, then I don’t know what would do it.

If Republicans should gain control of the House, the first thing they should do is impeach both Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, Biden for his traitorous actions in propagating a coup against Trump using the power of the federal government, and Harris for her incitement to violence in the summer of 2020 when she encouraged the destruction going on in American cities by Antifa and the Marxist BLM, and told all of us that it wasn’t going to stop after the election. either. She sounded rather gleeful as she said it.

Of course, Republicans are not ruthless like Democrats so this will never happen, but if Repubicans were as ruthless as Democrats, they could very well impeach both of them without even a hearing, like the House Democrats did to Trump. There would be nothing to stop them other than their ethics. Nothing legal to stop them, just like there is nothing legal stopping Nancy Pelosi from doing a sham impeachment of Trump.

One thing about it, the Elites are exposing themselves to public view now. We are starting to see that there really is a two-tier justice system. One that protects the Elites, and does not protect the rest of us from the Elites.

It’s the “China Model” of governance. Authoritarians are governing both. Ruthless authoritarians.

MarkW
Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 9, 2021 12:30 pm

The Republicans need to learn that they need to treat the Democrats, the same way the Democrats treat them.
As soon as they gain control of the House and Senate, they need to impeach Biden for failing to wash his hands after going to the bathroom.

TonyG
Reply to  MarkW
February 9, 2021 12:48 pm

“The Republicans need to learn” – you can stop right there. They haven’t learned much since the 80’s

Tom Abbott
Reply to  TonyG
February 10, 2021 6:47 am

The Chicoms may be paying some of the Republicans *not* to learn any lessons.

Mitch McConnell, for one, has inlaws who profit from doing business in China.

I’m not saying McConnell is a useful idiot, but he could be. Chicom money is involved in his life. What influence does that have?

Chicom money is involved in a lot of influential American’s lives. Many American schools get Chicom money.

We should look into Chicom money in the United States and its influence on our personal freedoms.

It is time we did another search for communist influence in the United States government, and throughout American school systems.

The Chicoms are a creeping danger, and they may have made more progress in undermining the United States than the average person realizes. They may have compromised both Democrats and Republicans.

Keep your eyes open for Chicom-friendly American politicians such as Democrat Rep. Eric Swalwell. Both the Chicoms and their American useful idiots are a danger to our way of life and our freedoms.

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Tom Abbott
Reply to  MarkW
February 10, 2021 6:28 am

I agree Republicans should fight back, but can you imagine a self-righteous Mitt Romney agreeing to put any pressure on the Democrats? I can’t. Mitt would oppose tit-for-tat just so he could get on CNN and demonstrate how morally superior he is to all the little people in the Republican Party.

The way for Republicans to fight back (the little people) is to oust fair-weather/delusional Republicans like Romney and replace them with clear-thinking Republicans who are not obligated to the Swamp/Elites/Chicoms.

The weak links in the Republican Party have exposed themselves with their opposition to Trump. Republican voters should oust every one of them at the next opportunity. They are not representing us, they are representing the Swamp/Elites/Chicoms.

They have to go. Six Republican Senators and about 10 Republican representatives in the House. We need to replace them all with people who realize the Democrats are on a path to destroy the United States of America, and if you help them, then you are guilty, too. Six Republican Senators and 10 Republican House representatives are supporting the radical Democrat’s efforts to destroy our nation and turn it into a one-party, socialist “paradise”. *They* are the ones who need to be removed from office.

Notanacademic
Reply to  Sara
February 9, 2021 1:33 pm

He’d probably think his feet were on the wrong legs!

fretslider
February 9, 2021 4:52 am

Wind chills below zero from a nor’easter have hit much of the country. President Biden’s push to go Green at any cost would leave America dependent on intermittent electricity from wind turbines and solar panels. This would be an energy disaster.

Wind chills below zero from the ‘beast from the east’ have hit much of the country. Doris Johnson’s push to go Green at any cost will leave Britain dependent on intermittent electricity from wind turbines and solar panels together with what it can obtain through the interconnectors This is an energy disaster in the making.

The thing is even if Trump hadn’t lost, we’d still be heading down the same road.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  fretslider
February 9, 2021 5:57 am

Here in Kansas the temp is forecasted to be -10F Sat and Sun nites with a north wind of 15-20mph. This will give wind chills of -30F to -35F. God forbid we should be dependent on wind and solar. It’s been heavy overcast for more than a week inhibiting solar power and there isn’t enough reserve wind power to make up the difference.

Peter W
Reply to  Tim Gorman
February 9, 2021 1:00 pm

“heavy overcast for more than a week” – – – Shades of “Unstoppable Global Warming Every 1,500 Years”!!!!

Mike Lowe
Reply to  fretslider
February 9, 2021 11:19 am

Hasn’t Doris kicked Carrie out yet?

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  fretslider
February 9, 2021 12:29 pm

No. If Trump had won, we’d wouldn’t be headed for the Natural Gas cliff that Biden and his Green New Dealers has put on a vector for.

Biden’s EPA will not only reverse Trump’s relaxation of methane leakage regulations, but is planning on making them even more difficult to comply with than the 2nd term Obama EPA was implementing. This clear intent is to making natural gas development not profitable to the oil and gas industry, thus throttling it back severely in the coming years.

Cheap, abundant shale-fracked natural gas has become enemy Number One for the Green Blob because it destroys the economic incentives, even with massive govt subsidies to renewable, of the Wind and Solar power-rate fleecing scam on the US middle class.

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Joseph Zorzin
February 9, 2021 4:58 am

“California has been following Germany trying to be a leader on climate change, by phasing out nuclear and natural gas power plants, and pioneering a system of subsidies for industrial wind and solar as part of a continuing effort to fight global warming.”

Exactly the same here in Massachusetts.

Mike from Calgary
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
February 9, 2021 11:13 am

Germany is building a new massive gas pipeline from Russia!

MarkW
Reply to  Mike from Calgary
February 9, 2021 12:31 pm

Meanwhile Biden is cancelling oil pipelines in the US.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
February 9, 2021 12:22 pm

The US New England states still have Hydro-Quebec to pull their arses out of the power ditch they’ve driven into.

Hydro-Québec is a public utility that manages the generation, transmission and distribution of electricity in the Canadian province of Quebec, as well as the export of power to portions of the Northeast United States. Hydro-Québec supplies 10 per cent of New England‘s power requirements.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydro-Québec

OweninGA
February 9, 2021 5:30 am

I remember in the 1970s during the oil crisis, the solution put forward was electric heat pumps. In a Midwestern winter, all us kids would go to the houses with gas or oil heat to play, because the heat pump heated houses were never more than lukewarm. The parents with the fancy new heat pumps never understood why we only played there in the summer.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  OweninGA
February 9, 2021 5:58 am

My parents has a heat pump for a while. After the 2nd winter they spent the money to get a nat gas furnace!

DMacKenzie
Reply to  Tim Gorman
February 9, 2021 6:41 am

Fire remains the greatest discovery of mankind.

Notanacademic
Reply to  DMacKenzie
February 9, 2021 1:29 pm

Indeed. Coal and logs on mine every day mmm lovely and think of all the plant food chuffing out of my chimney.

Kevin kilty
Reply to  OweninGA
February 9, 2021 8:25 am

When I installed central air in my former house, I paid a couple hundred bucks for an optional reversing valve that let me use the A/C as a heat pump. For a couple of months in the autumn and spring I could switch between the heat pump and the natural gas furnace. When conditions were just right I could save some money by using the heat pump.

However, I could have never relied on the heat pump alone, and the other thing that made a heat pump uncomfortable is that the air coming out the vents with a heat pump was noticeably cooler than with the furnace. Thus, the stirring of the air when the central heat was on could make a person feel chilled even though the room was 65-70F. I never found the heat pump to be as comfortable as a gas furnace.

Doug Huffman
Reply to  OweninGA
February 9, 2021 10:54 am

Heat pumps fail when temperatures fall below the boiling point of the refrigerant.

OweninGA
Reply to  Doug Huffman
February 9, 2021 3:03 pm

Yes, but you couldn’t tell Jimmy Carter’s EPA and DOE that. They just couldn’t concieve that unicorn farts aren’t real!

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Doug Huffman
February 9, 2021 9:33 pm

Technically they don’t fail. They just can’t provide anymore heat via the working fluid.

Peter W
Reply to  OweninGA
February 9, 2021 1:06 pm

Here in Florida we have HVAC systems which, of course, use heat pumps in the winter. When the temperature gets a bit low, I get out an old electric space heater to help matters along.

OweninGA
Reply to  Peter W
February 9, 2021 3:05 pm

They make a bit of sense in Florida, but the upper midwest is just too darn cold in the winter.

The kind where you extract heat out of the aquifer makes sense as well, but those are so expensive to install that oil and gas prices would have to “necessarily skyrocket” to make them worth the expense.

sendergreen
February 9, 2021 5:37 am

“Biden may be unaware … ”

I agree.

Tom Abbott
February 9, 2021 5:41 am

From the article: “The Democratic platform loves California and wants to clone its policies and regulations for the other 49 states. Biden should open his eyes to what is going on in California, before cloning it for the other 49 states.”

The various States might have something to say about whether they get cloned or not.

States have rights.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 9, 2021 8:59 am
Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 9, 2021 9:35 pm

Unfortunately the States can’t regulate air quality standards unless the EPA gives them authority under the CAA. That’s the wedge Biden’s EPA will use to first go after methane (nat gas) producers with unaffordable regulations to drive the cost of producing nat gas sky high.

TonyG
Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 9, 2021 9:06 am

At least a couple states seem to have very recently remembered that. Might be an interesting couple of years if more do.

Stu
February 9, 2021 5:48 am

I believe the coldest February in the continental US was in 1936 per Tony Heller. This year may challenge for supremacy. How many server farms could function without baseload electricity?

Tomsa
Reply to  Stu
February 9, 2021 8:08 am

In Tony’s video of 1936 temperatures, super cold winter followed by record hot summer, one news item showed our border town in southern Manitoba at 116F one July day. Compare that to yesterday with schools closed here with temps with wind chill below -40C or F. Perhaps we can figure out a way to can some of this cold air and keep it to use to cool us when summer finally arrives!

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Tomsa
February 9, 2021 11:03 am

Unknown to most, the early city of Phoenix had (and probably still has) tunnels underground. In the wintertime, store owners would pay to have loads of ice from Prescott delivered and placed in the tunnels. There were large fans that would blow the cooled air through the above-ground stores.

beng135
Reply to  Stu
February 9, 2021 10:14 am

Feb 2015 was the 3rd coldest Feb on record (since 1889) in my area of the US mid-Atlantic states. So winter cold is still alive and kicking.

geo
February 9, 2021 5:48 am

I live in Northern Illinois. My neighbor had solar panels installed on his roof 2 months ago. For the last 6 weeks they have been covered by snow. -10F this morning, the panels aren’t helping him.

Kevin
Reply to  geo
February 9, 2021 8:18 am

Driving around the Mid-west last Sept. I was really surprised by the amount of homes I saw that had solar panels. My thought at the time was who is going to go outside in subzero temps. to remove the snow and ice from them. Now I know the answer, no one is.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  geo
February 9, 2021 11:55 am

Most residential roofs are not pitched enough to get significant PV power in winter months, and low pitch also means they won’t shed snow.

vboring
February 9, 2021 6:44 am

The people who run the California power system put out a report saying basically the same thing:

Final-Root-Cause-Analysis-Mid-August-2020-Extreme-Heat-Wave.pdf
http://www.caiso.com/Documents/Final-Root-Cause-Analysis-Mid-August-2020-Extreme-Heat-Wave.pdf

In sum:
1) we assumed our neighbors would always be able to support us,
2) we assumed the renewables would run when needed,
3) we planned for average weather – not heat waves

It is a set of dumb assumptions that technical analysts have been warning against for many years. The policy overlords have prevented them from using more accurate assumptions because they make RE look bad.

Replace “heat wave” with “polar vortex” and this analysis applies pretty well to other parts of the country. Except polar vortex power outages are much, much deadlier.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  vboring
February 9, 2021 12:15 pm

They have listened to liars like Prof Mark Jacobsen at Stanford in the CE department. The guy is bought and paid academic hack for the Green Blob with a PhD, but no PE, behind his name.

Pat from kerbob
February 9, 2021 7:02 am

Here on the ALberta prairies in the “polar vortex”, the $100 word for a winter high pressure system, our wind assets have now hit a 4 day high of 20% of nameplate.

http://ets.aeso.ca/ets_web/ip/Market/Reports/CSDReportServlet

Based on this improvement, we only need 17000 wind turbines to keep the lights on this morning
Approximately 16,500 more than we have today

Little Alberta with 4.4 million people

Mike from Calgary
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
February 9, 2021 11:11 am

And Trudeau is ramping up the carbon tax to $170 per ton. Forecast to be -33 c in Calgary tomorrow night. I don’t have anything good to say about carbon taxes on fuel that is required to keep people alive.

H. D. Hoese
February 9, 2021 7:03 am

“”Ash Wednesday Storm of 1962 March 5–9, 1962 Caused severe tidal flooding and blizzard conditions from the Mid-Atlantic to New England, killed 40 people.” Cold period,had just left Virginia coast before that, one year ice on salt water damped the 5′ tides. Ash Wednesday storm pushed water to hurricane levels.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nor%27easter

Pat from kerbob
February 9, 2021 7:06 am

In sales, you need $100 words to sell something.
Hence we have “polar vortex” and “bomb cyclone”. Sales words to sexy up something that has been happening forever.

And polar vortex is simply a stupid use of language.
It’s a high pressure system rotating clockwise and pushing out

A vortex sucks you into a spiral, which is a low pressure system.

beng135
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
February 9, 2021 10:18 am

A polar vortex is in fact an upper-air low-pressure system. It does bring down polar highs around its periphery.

https://www.weather.gov/safety/cold-polar-vortex

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  beng135
February 9, 2021 7:39 pm

Ok, interesting
And yet, the actual massive cold air pool over us is always centered on a high pressure system

EOM
February 9, 2021 7:43 am

Our ideas and logic are “dogs that do not hunt”: We were conquered in three steps. Our institutions were slowly and subtly taken over, there was a fraudulent election and, most importantly, that was left to stand. Now, there is a call for “Unity”; which is a euphemism for accepting unconditional surrender. Also, our speech is diligently censored by a very large number of institutions acting in perfect concert. So, we will have to take whatever we get.

Here is an example, Bellefonte PA. Graffiti on a wall included one red shape of the United States over the word “Conquered!!”. That was labelled in our local newspapers as “White Supremacy”, “Racism”, and it will be prosecuted as a “Hate Crime” when the author is found.

MarkW
Reply to  EOM
February 9, 2021 12:36 pm

Funny how Democrats are only interested in “unity”, when they are in charge.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  MarkW
February 9, 2021 1:09 pm

They are now trying to Gas-Light America that they didn’t actually run a divisive #Resistance campaign for 4 years.

Walter Sobchak
February 9, 2021 7:59 am

“Biden may be unaware that the temperate climate on the West coast is not representative of the extreme weather conditions encountered throughout most of America.”

The only thing he is aware of is whether his diaper needs changing.and his drool cup needs to be emptied.

OweninGA
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
February 9, 2021 3:11 pm

You give him more credit than I do.

Neo
February 9, 2021 10:31 am

A few years back I listened to a political pundit describe being stuck in a traffic jam in DC during a snow storm. What stuck in my mind was the idea that EVs just aren’t designed for a bad snow storm.

Last edited 18 days ago by Neo
2hotel9
Reply to  Neo
February 9, 2021 12:53 pm

That “storm” put down less than 2 inches and paralyzed the metro area for a week. And we allow these morons to run our country.

Doonman
February 9, 2021 10:51 am

Just think of all the green jobs created shoveling snow off of solar panels that won’t work under cloudy skies anyway.

John the Econ
February 9, 2021 11:18 am

Repeal the 20th Century!

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  John the Econ
February 9, 2021 12:10 pm

the g e n o c i d e s of the 20th Century were just a warm-up, trial-run experiements for what the Totalitarians have planned for the 21st Century.

ResourceGuy
February 9, 2021 12:53 pm

Cannot wait since they deserve it most.

Steve Z
February 9, 2021 12:53 pm

In order to dig out from a nor’easter, the snowplows all run on gasoline or diesel fuel. Even the snow blowers people use on their driveways run on gasoline.

Let’s see if Biden can invent a wind-powered snowplow.

But then again, he waved his magic wand and COVID-19 went away (with a little help from the World Health Organization when they went from 40 to 25 cycles to define a positive test, the day after Biden was inaugurated). Since each of the cycles doubles the virus concentration, the extra 15 cycles increased the concentration by a factor of over 32,000. Meaning that most of the cases during the Trump presidency were false positives.

But we have to “follow the science”, and fudge the data to help the Democrats!

2hotel9
February 9, 2021 12:57 pm

“Biden should open his eyes to what is going on in California” FauxJoe loves what has been done to Cali, just as he loves what has been done to Detroit, Chicago, Minneapolis and all the other Democrat run shyteholes. Which is precisely why he is now doing it to America at large.

Rich T.
February 9, 2021 2:40 pm

Wonder if we could get the WH, and the House and the Senate to be powered by Wind and Solar only. Just to see how long that would last in middle of winter. Might get the point across maybe? How bad it really is to rely on that, while shutting down coal, oil, nuclear.

Posa
February 10, 2021 8:11 am

The more pain the better. Pain is one way to educate and focus the mind when tamer, rational methods fail. GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT. Then sit back and watch.

ResourceGuy
February 10, 2021 4:33 pm

Like I asked in another post, how do you keep ice off the wind turbines in offshore installations?

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