Marc Morano: We Will Go From COVID Lockdowns To “Climate Lockdowns” Under Biden

Climate Depot publisher Marc Morano warned Biden and Democrats are using the COVID lockdown model to prepare for “climate lockdowns” in an interview Monday night with FOX News host Tucker Carlson.

“The CEO of Harris Polling lamented that climate went from a top-tier issue in his poll, to second to last of all issues in the past year,” Morano said. “So they’re freaked out that no one is talking and no one cares about climate among the public.” “What they’re trying to do, you saw Biden elude to it there with ‘Build Back Better.’

They’re trying to essentially use the COVID lockdown model for the climate emergency model. And they are going to go from COVID lockdowns to climate lockdowns,” Morano said. “Senator Merkley (D-OR) came out today and is urging a President Joe Biden to declare a national climate emergency which would give him emergency powers that he could bypass democracy, much in the same way that blue-state governors have already done with the COVID lockdowns,” Morano said.

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December 23, 2020 6:05 am

We won’t even be able to get a lump of coal, because it will also be locked down.

Vuk
Reply to  John Shewchuk
December 23, 2020 7:46 am

Anyone out there willing to invest i the CAGW new cattle fart-masks business?

Sara
Reply to  Vuk
December 23, 2020 8:41 am

If you find someone doing that, please let us know.

walt
Reply to  Vuk
December 23, 2020 9:48 am

There will be fewer cattle so diapers or fart masks will not be needed.

Sara
Reply to  John Shewchuk
December 23, 2020 8:41 am

you saw Biden elude to it” – grrrr. The correct word is “allude”, NOT “elude” -> of an idea or fact: fail to be grasped or remembered by (someone). “the logic of this eluded most people”

These two are frequently mixed up, but they have completely different meanings.

OweninGA
Reply to  Sara
December 23, 2020 8:50 am

I don’t know, with Biden his public statements often elude him. Word salad ensues.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  OweninGA
December 23, 2020 9:31 am

As in “One horse pony.”

walt
Reply to  OweninGA
December 23, 2020 9:50 am

Words only have the meaning a progressive wants.

TRM
Reply to  Sara
December 23, 2020 12:20 pm

Upvoted for beating me to it. From one grammar-cop to another, good catch 🙂

Bryan A
Reply to  TRM
December 23, 2020 9:13 pm

I have noticed that my autocorrect often switches toe two
AND just changed the to toe

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Sara
December 24, 2020 10:01 am

I was going to say the same. I suspect it might be a bad transcription.

The same thing happens with “illicit” and “elicit”. People often pronounce them the same.

Harry Passfield
Reply to  John Shewchuk
December 23, 2020 8:49 am

Suggest each lump gathered be gift-wrapped and sent to President-wanting-to-be Biden. Msg: FF For you, Joe (no, not a stutter, but….)

Kramer
Reply to  John Shewchuk
December 23, 2020 9:04 am
walt
Reply to  Kramer
December 23, 2020 9:52 am

There are so many idiots in the Congress and Senate
they can vote an override of a veto from Trump

ScienceABC123
December 23, 2020 6:10 am

I can imagine what a climate lockdown would be like – “Everyone is required to stay in their homes until the Earth cools by 2C.” Mass starvation would be the result.

There is an old saying that goes – “There isn’t any problem that can’t be solved by getting rid of people.” That may actually be the goal of some climate activists.

Sara
Reply to  ScienceABC123
December 23, 2020 8:43 am

Logically, if people die off from “whatever”, they’ll have no one to rule. Sitting on an empty throne with no kingdom to govern…. Yeah, that makes sense, doesn’t it? And with fewer and fewer children being born (except in poor countries), their “kingdome” will fade to nothing. (Kingdome was intentional.)

walt
Reply to  Sara
December 23, 2020 9:54 am

The “leaders” will selectively weed out the people they dislike.

MarkW
Reply to  Sara
December 23, 2020 10:06 am

Even in poor countries, the number of children being born is way, way down.

Mumbles McGuirck
Reply to  Sara
December 23, 2020 1:56 pm

“To reign is worth ambition though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell, then serve in Heav’n”
-Paradise Lost
John Milton

Their ambition is such that an empty throne is still a throne.

Phil Salmon
Reply to  ScienceABC123
December 24, 2020 4:17 pm

The quotation is from Josef Stalin:
“Chelovek niet – problyem niet”
No person – no problem.

Dermot Carroll
December 23, 2020 6:17 am

https://youtu.be/PlZhQJBZ574

John Doyle. The end of normal.
“If I had to come up with a plan, this would have been it”
“Just keep everything ticking over long enough, for people to realise it’s never going back”
” there’ll still be a place for humans on the earth”! Which ones!!!?

December 23, 2020 6:26 am

Many, including myself, have been saying exactly that since early-April. The Democrat-Socialists see an opportunity for political power grab, whether it’s COVID, climate scam, or whatever they can use in the next set of lies to the sheep.
I’m afraid the UK, New Zealand, and Australia have already surrendered to the National Socialists.

Thomas Gasloli
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 23, 2020 6:33 am

They are not socialist, they are just fascist totalitarians. And they don’t need an emergency declaration; they can do everything they want through administrative rule making under the Greenhouse Gas Finding of endangerment.

DonM
Reply to  Thomas Gasloli
December 23, 2020 8:03 am

The cant that “it” (whatever it may be) is not socialism but something worse and different (so socialism is not all that bad) gets old and obvious in a hurry.

The fact that you have to go out of your way to try to distinguish ‘socialism’ from from ‘fascist totalitarianism’ shows that the socialism tenets are bad … Take from some and give to others.

MarkW
Reply to  Thomas Gasloli
December 23, 2020 8:15 am

Fascism is just one of the flavors of socialism and socialism at it’s core is totalitarian in nature. You need massive amounts of government force to make people act against their own natures.

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Dmacleo
Reply to  Thomas Gasloli
December 23, 2020 10:31 am

nice of you to tell AOC what she thinks. way to mansplain LOL I kid

https://www.businessinsider.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-explains-what-democratic-socialism-means-2019-3

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Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 23, 2020 7:33 am

They saw how well fear and scientific disinformation worked to push the the global warming lie and applied the same thing to the China Virus. Now they see how easy it was to completely oppress a free society ‘in the name of science’, so of course they will attempt to apply this to climate alarmism.

The people are tired of being oppressed and if enough wake up from their woken slumber, this could become an opportunity to relegate climate science, per the IPCC, to it’s proper place in the circular file.

Harry Passfield
Reply to  co2isnotevil
December 23, 2020 8:55 am

One can but hope that DJT GETS Paris before the Senate son so that Biden can’t later easily declare it a treaty.

TonyG
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 23, 2020 9:49 am

The “Great Reset” that NYT calls a myth even though it’s published on the WEF’s website (at least it was, haven’t looked recently)

Tom Abbott
December 23, 2020 6:26 am

From the article: “They’re trying to essentially use the COVID lockdown model for the climate emergency model.”

I would say they are having a great deal of difficulty in enforcing a COVID lockdown right now, and that is with the evidence of an ongoing pandemic to point to as a reason for a lockdown.

I think they are going to have a much harder time controlling the citizenry with another lockdown, a climate emergency lockdown, for which there is no evidence whatsoever. People are not going to be locked down for nothing. Joe is going to have to provide a good reason for the climate lockdown. Joe can’t provide a good reason, as we all know.

Let’s discuss this, Joe. Explain to us why CO2 is such a danger to humans and the world.

If Joe does have a good explanation, it will be the first time in human history.

The Climate Change Emergency Lockdown cannot stand scrutiny of the facts. There is no evidence that a climate lockdown is necessary. At a minimum, advocates of such should be required to provide the reasons for why a lockdown would be in our interests.

Trying to override democracy with tricks is not going to fly with the Red States.

Thomas Gasloli
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 23, 2020 6:36 am

They don’t need facts, they have power. They can do everything they want to do through administrative rule making under the Greenhouse Gas Finding of Endangerment.

And if you think the Republicans in Congress will do anything to stop them you haven’t been paying attention.

And if you think the Supreme Court will do anything, well, they, by a 7 to 2 majority, just determined that Democrat states have a Constitutional right to election fraud.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Thomas Gasloli
December 24, 2020 5:56 am

So conservatives should just go away quietly? All is lost?

DonM
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 23, 2020 8:44 am

They don’t really want a ‘climate change emergency lockdown’ in the same manner as the covid lock downs (stay at home, stay apart, don’t go to the gym, don’t interact (unless you are rioting), disrupt family traditions …)

They (Merkley & similar d-bags) want everyone to associate the misery of the covid lockdown with a perceived potential for further grand sacrifice, unless we accept a little nagging ‘carbon regulation’.

Merkley (referenced in the video) is a scary purely political nutjob POS who will believe in anything if will help him politically … he is the type of personality that the ends justifies any means, and that given his moral high ground he is allowed/mandated to exaggerate the importance of the ends.

Sara
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 23, 2020 8:47 am

Yeah, it means nothing to me. I do not have a car any more, for various reasons (mostly expense of upkeep) and I’m essentially shut in unless I rent a car to do things, which I do at least twice a month, sometimes weekly. So it’s totally bogus and the excuse is laughable. The greenbeaners and ecohippies need to have a full-on experience of living with all that junk they take for granted, for about 12 contiguous months, from cold weather to hot weather to cold weather. Then I’ll listen to that nonsense.

Beta Blocker
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 23, 2020 9:07 am

Pay close attention to what Thomas Gasloli said: “They can do everything they want to do through administrative rule making under the Greenhouse Gas Finding of Endangerment.”

This is in fact the actual case. The necessary legal precedents are already there.

Aggressively imposed, carefully crafted administrative rule making done under the umbrella of an officially declared carbon pollution emergency issued under current legal authorities already assigned by the Congress to the Executive Branch can cover every base needed to impose what amounts to a government-mandated fossil energy lockdown.

A climate activist president can use existing environmental and national security legislation to go just as far and as fast as he or she might want to go in quickly reducing America’s GHG emissions.

If the new regulatory rulemaking is applied with equal force to all sources of America’s carbon emissions, and if the lifestyle and economic sacrifices are being spread equally among all socioeconomic groups and among all affected sectors of the American economy, the new regulations will stand up to any court challenges brought against them.

For just one example, Joe Biden cannot simply order the nation’s oil & gas fracking wells to be shut down.

But he doesn’t need to order them closed. He can apply so many regulatory restrictions on their development and operation that the costs of compliance will exceed what the oil & gas industry is willing to pay to keep those fracking wells active.

Ozonebust
Reply to  Beta Blocker
December 23, 2020 9:45 am

When people stop spending on everything except food, political will will disapate. Big business will overthrow the government

MarkW
Reply to  Ozonebust
December 23, 2020 10:09 am

It really is fascinating how so many people are absolutely convinced that big business is by definition evil.
On the other hand, they actually believe that they can influence what government does.

Beta Blocker
Reply to  Ozonebust
December 23, 2020 11:22 am

Ozonebust: “When people stop spending on everything except food, political will will dissipate. Big business will overthrow the government.”

The smart way for a climate activist president to quickly reduce America’s GHG emissions — let’s say the target is an 80% reduction by 2050, Obama’s original goal — the smart way is to enlist the privately-owned energy corporations as the government’s agents in managing a phased systematic reduction in the supply of all carbon fuels, working within an energy rationing scheme in which, for all practical purposes, the big oil& gas corporations are being paid not to produce oil and gas.

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Lrp
Reply to  Beta Blocker
December 24, 2020 12:54 am

There is nothing smart about what you’re saying; that’s socialism, and without real competition lies and deceit will win.

Beta Blocker
Reply to  Lrp
December 24, 2020 11:58 am

Lrp, climate activists in government already have all the administrative authorities they need to go as far and fast as they might want to go in reducung Amerca’s GHG emissions on a fast track schedule.

The challenge they face is to structure a comprehensive GHG reduction strategy in a way which makes their program highly resistant to lawsuits.

Basically, this means spreading the considerable pain of the transition into a low carbon economy equally among all socio-economic groups and among all sectors of the American economy.

The climate activists have all the legal talent needed to guarantee that lawsuits will go nowhere in the courts. One ignores this reality at one’s peril.

Harry Passfield
Reply to  Beta Blocker
December 23, 2020 10:28 am

So the GOP have to play him at his own game and start putting fwd bills that would support the emergency — but make it worse for dems to sell to their own.

TonyG
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 23, 2020 9:52 am

The Climate Change Emergency Lockdown cannot stand scrutiny of the facts. There is no evidence that a climate lockdown is necessary.
– since when have facts and evidence mattered?

At a minimum, advocates of such should be required to provide the reasons for why a lockdown would be in our interests.
– who is going to make them do so?

KT66
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 23, 2020 3:13 pm

“Let’s discuss this, Joe. Explain to us why CO2 is such a danger to humans and the world.”

Joe answers: ” Are you kidding me man? It’s just … you know…the thing. C’mon man.”

Lrp
Reply to  KT66
December 24, 2020 12:57 am

Most people are sheep and they like Biden because he is weak.

Peta of Newark
December 23, 2020 6:29 am

It would seem Joe has already upset a load of the folks who actually voted for him, instead of Donald.

Quote:
“”Vilsack’s nomination has been roundly rejected by some of the exact people who helped Biden defeat Trump: organizations representing Black people, progressive rural organizations, family farmers and environmentalists

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/21/joe-biden-tom-vilsack-agriculture-secretary

Anyway, we now undersrtand what all those (increasingly face recognition) cameras are about.
Myriad new rules, taxes and regulations
And, most hideous of the lot, Smart Meters and Electric Cars
That some faceless little nobody, any number of miles away could click on a mouse and totally disable your car, heating, lighting, cooking, infotainment and effectively, you yourself.
And even if you take off for walk, you’ll be being watched as your cell-phone tracks you and records everything you send/receive from it.
They already do.

Our leaders are mistrustful and paranoid to the point of complete insanity.

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beng135
Reply to  Peta of Newark
December 23, 2020 8:03 am

As soon as Joe gets into office, they want him out for Commie Harris to get in the big seat. Then they can get down to work.

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Tom Abbott
Reply to  beng135
December 23, 2020 6:05 pm

Obama is already hard at work and he can manage his undermining of the nation regardless of which of his puppets are in the White House as president.

Obama, the Puppet Master. You just thought he was only going to rule for eight years. He’s found a way to rule without havig to run for office again. The Fix is in.

Lrp
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 24, 2020 12:59 am

That’s the Politburo

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Lrp
December 24, 2020 5:29 am

I read an article yesterday claiming that Hillary Clinton took a $20 million bribe from a Middle Eastern nation, and Barack Obama was planning on using that against Clinton when she won the 2016 election, to make Clinton do what Obama wanted her to do.

Then Trump came in and upset the applecart and screwed Obama’s plans up, so Obama directed his minions to try to undermine Trump in every way possible which resulted in the Russia hoax and the Impeachment, and a stolen election.

The article also said that Kamala Harris was Obama and George Soros’ pick for the president, but she was so unpopular that she dropped out of the race early.

But now she is back in the race since Biden picked her.

I assume Obama must have something on Kamala and that’s why he wants her in the presidency. It can’t be because she is competent, because she is not. He already has something on Traitor Joe.

And Obama managed to get his chief flunky, Susan Rice, appointed to head up the Biden Domestic Policy in the White House.

President Obama also said he would not mind being the “man behind the curtain” using that to manipulate his Manchurian Candidate.

Former President Obama has nothing but disdain for the United States. It’s not surprising that he has no compunction about breaking the rules of the game.

Unfortunately, his breaking of the rules may end up taking away all our personal freedoms.

How many Obama flunkies are in the Federal Bureaucracy? It appears to me there are quite a few Obama Fifth Columnists in the current goverment. Notice that Hunter Biden has been under investigation since 2018, yet not one word of this investigation leaked out of the bureaucracy. If Don Trump Jr. had been put under investigation, it would have been public knowledge the next day.

There are lots of leftwing flunkies in the government bureaucracy doing the work of socialism and working against the American people.

The Swamp is wide and deep and includes members of both political parties.

Trump hasn’t finished draining the Swamp.

December 23, 2020 6:35 am

Ir’s going to be a very very dark cold winter in America….a Biden winter. A man needs to know his limitations….but not Joey the Clown…he has no clue.

John the Econ
December 23, 2020 6:37 am

Imagine the public reaction to our leaders taking any “climate lockdown” as seriously as many took the Wuhan Flu lockdowns, like closed salon visits and family vacations to their second homes after admonishing everyone else to remain hunkered down and isolated.

You’ll see “civil disobedience” like nothing you’ve seen yet.

lee riffee
Reply to  John the Econ
December 23, 2020 8:14 am

I’ll second that notion….guarantee there will be plenty of people who will ignore the lockdown and there will likely be plenty of protests. Much more so than the anti-lockdown protests we’ve seen so far. Many red states will just tell Joe and co. to pound sand….

John the Econ
Reply to  lee riffee
December 23, 2020 8:57 am

I’ll be lobbying my red-state governor and legislature to declare our state a “Carbon Sanctuary State”. You know, like one of those “sanctuary cities” that just ignored federal law and for which there were no repercussions.

Oh, there will be one repercussion: We will continue to enjoy 24/7 electricity and natural gas heated homes while the blue states go third-world. And we’ll make money selling our surplus power to them.

MarkW
Reply to  John the Econ
December 23, 2020 8:21 am

When you see hospitals full of dying people, it’s not to hard to convince most people that they need to take precautions to protect themselves and their families.

On the other hand, where are the dying people that are being killed by a warming of 0.8C over the last 180 years?
The socialists and other totalitarians may welcome having this kind of power over their neighbors, but the vast majority of people won’t.

Ozonebust
Reply to  MarkW
December 23, 2020 9:52 am

MarkW
What is the USA death rate compared to last year

MarkW
Reply to  Ozonebust
December 23, 2020 10:11 am

We’ve already set a record for total deaths in a year.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  MarkW
December 23, 2020 12:58 pm

uh… since we have more people- it’s likely we’ll have more deaths too

MarkW
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
December 23, 2020 6:42 pm

Just how fast do you believe the population of the US is rising?

ozspeaksup
Reply to  MarkW
December 24, 2020 4:45 am

how many get across the border a week?

DonM
Reply to  MarkW
December 23, 2020 5:50 pm

… that many more dim voters for the next few years.

TonyG
Reply to  MarkW
December 23, 2020 9:54 am

I’m sure they’ll be able to come up with the necessary footage and “news” stories to panic people into compliance.

John the Econ
Reply to  TonyG
December 24, 2020 7:44 am

They won’t care when the suffering starts to affect them.

Klem
Reply to  John the Econ
December 23, 2020 8:35 am

It might explain why gun sales hit 20 million this year. Manufacturers can hardly keep up with demand.

December 23, 2020 6:49 am

Pardon my French, but what kind of Blooming Idiot believes a Climate Lockdown is sane?

Oh wait…

Andrew

griff
Reply to  Bad Andrew
December 23, 2020 6:55 am

Who even believes there is or could be such a thing?

MarkW
Reply to  griff
December 23, 2020 8:23 am

As usual, griff specializes in cluelessness, the mere fact that major players in the climate activism game have been discussing climate lockdowns isn’t enough to get them to admit that such a thing is being discussed.

DonM
Reply to  MarkW
December 23, 2020 8:49 am

Every time I see a griff comment, I am immediately reminded of the Dan Akroyd line in ‘point/counterpoint’.

MarkW
Reply to  DonM
December 23, 2020 10:13 am

Other sites that have up and down voting, you have the ability to see who has voted. It would be interesting to see who downvoted Don and myself.

geo
Reply to  DonM
December 23, 2020 11:36 am

“Jane, you ignorent…”

Reply to  geo
December 23, 2020 3:37 pm

…slut!

Harry Passfield
Reply to  griff
December 23, 2020 9:15 am

So what would you do, Griff , seeing it’s an ’emergency’. (cough)

griff
Reply to  Harry Passfield
December 23, 2020 10:00 am

For a climate emergency, if that’s what you mean, locally speaking I’m pretty much happy with UK plans, e.g for increasing renewable energy – the existing pipeline of offshore wind, EV plans, grid scale battery frequency response, renewable hydrogen, etc. Elsewhere in the world coal seems still to be losing ground and renewables gaining… some hopeful signs China: who can say? I’m for ‘more of the same’, which hasn’t hurt anybody.

but seriously you all believe people are going to be told to stay at home, not go to work, shops and places of work closed, travel bans introduced, in some sort of climate lockdown? That is frankly paranoia and nonsense

Harry Passfield
Reply to  griff
December 23, 2020 10:32 am

Don’t know how that works, Griff: climate is local?

Notanacademic
Reply to  griff
December 23, 2020 10:51 am

They’ve done it for a desease with a 99.97% survival rate. A desease so debilitating and deadly that most people don’t know they’ve got it?

fred250
Reply to  griff
December 23, 2020 11:42 am

“Elsewhere in the world coal seems still to be losing ground and renewables gaining…”

ROFLMAO.

China’s NEW coal fired power coming on line in the next few years is FIVE TIMES the TOTAL of wind estimates in 2030.

You really need to stop taking those hallucinogenic whatevers you take and get you addled mind back to some sort of REALITY.

“grid scale battery”

There are NO grid scale batteries…

Batteries DO NOT PRODUCE ELECTRICITY.

The only ones in existence are tiny compare to grid demands.

There only use is the attempted stabilisation of the grid from the huge fluctuations of wind and solar.

fred250
Reply to  griff
December 23, 2020 4:06 pm

“I’m for ‘more of the same’, which hasn’t hurt anybody.”

WOW, griff is correct..

Coal, properly mined and properly burnt, with removal of most of the actual real pollutants.. hasn’t hurt anybody

IN FACT, because of coal fired electricity, countries like the US, Europe, UK lifted themselves out of the miasma and degradation of the pre-industrial age, and allowed the rapid expansion and progress of civilisation in those countries, to the MASSIVE BENEFIT of people in those countries.

Same is happening in many developing countries..

all POWERED by coal or gas..

As griff says…..

I’m for ‘more of the same….. 🙂

MarkW
Reply to  griff
December 23, 2020 6:43 pm

In griffs world, massive subsidies and government mandates are proof that renewables are winning.

fred250
Reply to  griff
December 23, 2020 11:25 am

Hey griff ..

Did you know that day 356 2020 in NSIDC is above day 356 of all of the following years for extent..

2006, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019.

Reply to  Bad Andrew
December 23, 2020 7:43 am

The same blooming idiots who think that big data and the MSM are fair arbiters of the truth and that the IPCC is an organization that obeys the rules of scientific discovery.

griff
December 23, 2020 6:53 am

This makes no sense. Dozens of countries have more advanced climate plans than Biden’s, which have been running for years. None have had, propose, plan or will deliver a ‘climate lockdown’. So neither will the USA.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
December 23, 2020 8:25 am

Who cares that major players in the climate alarmism game have actually been discussing climate based lock downs.

PS, how about the fact that those more advanced climate plans are having no impact and are becoming massively unpopular as evidence that the climate masters are being forced to look for more actions?

Reply to  griff
December 23, 2020 8:38 am

Griff,

Socialism and it’s goal of redistributing wealth is the motivation of the IPCC and drives what they claim to be the supporting ‘science’ reinforced with MSM propaganda. When the propaganda fails, and it surely will, the only way to maintain control is with heavy handed oppression.

The NGD (and Bidens ‘version’) are the very definition of heavy handed oppression and while they may not include an explicit lock down, the consequences of what they propose will be no different.

If you can’t buy gasoline, can’t charge your electric vehicle due to the high cost of unreliable electricity and can’t fly anywhere, how is this any different than a lock down? Sure, you can walk to a nearby restaurant and dine indoors (if it survives), but only the elite at the top of the pyramid will be able to afford to.

The cost of energy is bundled in every product and service we buy and increasing the cost of energy by more than a factor of 2 will drive everyone into the poorhouse as they will become dependent on the government printing money in a never ending cycle of hyper inflation.

Is this what you really want? If not, some introspection is in order.

griff
Reply to  co2isnotevil
December 23, 2020 10:06 am

Climate change response and socialism have nothing to do with each other.

We aren’t anywhere near energy or transport being priced out of ordinary people’s reach because of renewables. One of the things we might get is cheaper public transport (if anyone ever gets on a train again). I know you all think Germany etc is full of fuel paupers.

Production requires energy: renewables like solar panels actually allow firms to fix and control the cost of that energy. which is why so many UK car plants have extensive solar panels.

Germany is a wealthy western state, a bit like the USA. Its population does not suffer from ‘lockdown’ effects even given its massive shift to renewables. (It has a lot less crime and poverty than the US too, at least as far as I’ve personally observed visiting both)

MarkW
Reply to  griff
December 23, 2020 11:09 am

Technically, it is true that socialism and climate change have nothing to do with each other.
However it is also a fact that most of the solutions being proposed for climate change involve massive increases in socialism.
It is also a fact that many of the leading alarmists have been quite vocal in their desire to use climate change as a vehicle for imposing socialism.

As to your claim that energy hasn’t been priced out of existing, that is a lie. Over the last few years, in Britain alone, thousands have died because they couldn’t afford both heat and food.

Many buildings have solar panels on their roofs either because the government has made installation a requirement, or that the government paid most of the cost of that installation.

As to public transport becoming less expensive. That’s usually what happens when subsidies are increased. Regardless, so what. The issue is making private transportation prohibitively expensive. Something that you have routinely backed.

fred250
Reply to  griff
December 23, 2020 11:29 am

“Climate change response and socialism have nothing to do with each other.”

Now you truly are in TOTAL DENIAL.

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You really need to start listening to what your cult leaders are saying, ignorant little trollette.

fred250
Reply to  griff
December 23, 2020 11:34 am

And if you can’t see that the GND, and the Reset (ie Covid economic recovery) are essentially one and the same socialist agenda……

You really are just sticking your head up where the sun don’t shine. !

DELIBERATE DENIAL or WILLFUL IGNORANCE

…. just like your climate change denial.

fred250
Reply to  griff
December 23, 2020 11:35 am

“Production requires energy: renewables like solar”

Production requires RELIABLE energy..

…. solar and wing NEED NOT APPLY…. EVER.

MarkW
Reply to  fred250
December 23, 2020 6:45 pm

Would that be a wing and a prayer?

MarkW
Reply to  co2isnotevil
December 23, 2020 10:17 am

The increase in cost of a single item can never cause inflation, much less hyper inflation. Whenever you spend more money on one item, then you are by definition spending less on other items. The drop in demand causes the price of those other items to fall.
The increase in price of one item is matched by the fall in price of the many items.

Only government increasing the money supply faster than the supply of goods is increasing is capable of causing inflation.

Reply to  MarkW
December 26, 2020 7:53 am

Energy is not a ‘single’ item, but its cost is included in every service and/or product we buy.

If you’re talking about just the cost of grapes, then you are right, but our economy has shifted from one where most of the value added to raw materials was labor to one where it’s become energy making the cost of energy a massive lever on the economy.

Barnes Moore
December 23, 2020 7:06 am

Well, if this route is chosen, I doubt DeSantis or Noem, and possibly a few other red state governors will abide by it, and there will be little the feds can do about it short of attempting to impose martial law in those states, which will not be easy to do if the governors object.

Michael C. Roberts
Reply to  Barnes Moore
December 24, 2020 9:12 am

This, coupled with ‘..behind evert blade of grass..’. Been away awhile, I see Griff has been emboldened to spout his/her/its tired mantra regarding the glorious benefits of intermittant energy sources. Plus ca change, I guess…
Also, like the layout and look of yhe new WUWT website.

Regards, MCR

Ron Long
December 23, 2020 7:16 am

Second Amendment. Prevention of tyranny. Bring it.

starzmom
December 23, 2020 8:01 am

I wouldn’t put it past any politician, but it won’t work. Notwithstanding a supplicant Supreme Court.

bonbon
December 23, 2020 8:01 am

With all due respect, a lot of climate scientists and activists simply miss the point.

When the UN’s Mark Carney, EU’s Ursula van der Leyen, IMF’s Lagarde, BlackRock LLC, and now this week the FED, Davos, all sing from the same chorus (a horrible cacophony) with “Regime Change”, Great Reset, green digital currency, nothing hidden, in your face, why is it both “left” and “right” fail to register?

The battle has moved to another hill!

These finance plans can only be rammed through with “emergency powers”, exactly as was done in 1934 in Germany.

As liberal Keynsian economist Abba Lerner blurted out in 1971 at a famous debate :

“If the Germans had listened to Schacht, Hit-ler would not have been necessary.”

Today, “If Americans had listened to Carney, Greta would not have been necessary”.

Schacht, Hit-ler’s finance and economics minister, founder of the Bank of International Settlements with Bank of England chief Montague, of labor camp and austerity-with-war infamy.

Now ye know what a bankers boy is!

Willem post
December 23, 2020 9:02 am

Biden’s minnows will direct everyone to wear masks or whatever, for whatever reason they can think of, to ensure the world will be saved from climate evil doers; private jets for celebrities, etc., will be allowed.

The US will be a leader in ridiculousness, with various yokels making the rules, while paying tens of $billions per year to be allowed to worship at the UN Climate Altar to save the world.

The COVID aid bill includes many $billions of year-end pork, and many $billions for payments to foreign countries, but only a pittance for direct payments to US people without jobs.

No wonder Trump is threatening a veto, because such shabby law would not make America Great Again.

griff
Reply to  Willem post
December 23, 2020 10:08 am

I hate to break this to you, but under the current regime, America is considered the leader in ridiculousness already. It pains me to see it: I like America and Americans. Almost moved there in my 20s!

MarkW
Reply to  griff
December 23, 2020 11:10 am

I for one am very glad that you decided not to move here.
Regardless, the fact that socialists and communists find it ridiculous that Americans aren’t eager to drink to same koolaid that you fools are required to drink, doesn’t bother most of us in the slightest.

fred250
Reply to  griff
December 23, 2020 11:49 am

Yet until the covid nonsense the US was making great forwards steps in every field of endevour

That is why Trump had to be stopped….. by any nefarious means possible.

….

It is now the UK that everybody is pointing and LAUGHING AT.

They are behaving just like village idiots from a Monty Python sketch.

No SANE person can reconcile the UK climate agenda with any basis of rational thought process.

Lrp
Reply to  griff
December 23, 2020 9:45 pm

Believe it or not, you’re not exactly God’s gift to humankind

TonyG
December 23, 2020 9:45 am

I heard this already a few months ago, nothing surprising here.

Dmacleo
December 23, 2020 10:26 am

I gazed longingly out the window….and some ahole took my fing picture and posted it….

ohh edit works:) awesome

remember Biden just said the darkest days are still ahead. I took that to mean his admin…

Last edited 8 months ago by Dmacleo
fred250
Reply to  Dmacleo
December 23, 2020 11:51 am

“Biden just said the darkest days are still ahead”

And he is going to do everything he can to make sure that happens as planned…..

Notanacademic
Reply to  Dmacleo
December 23, 2020 12:01 pm

I gazed out of my window and all I could see was effing windmills. James Delingpole was right to call them eco crucifixes, because they are the cross upon which our beautiful countryside has been crucified. I used to have a nice view.

TRM
December 23, 2020 12:18 pm

The left tends to get drunk on power and go full retard as soon as they can. Count on being forced/coerced into being vaccinated with an experimental vaccine and being forced to have a tracking chip embedded in your body.

We do not ask our livestock’s permission to inject them with drugs and we don’t ask their permission to implant tracking chips in them. They are livestock aka lower life forms.

That is exactly how the elites that own Biden view us. Livestock.

Michael S. Kelly
December 23, 2020 3:25 pm

This will be the end of the United States as we now know it.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Michael S. Kelly
December 23, 2020 6:16 pm

Possibly. Now would be the time to fight back. Be creative.

Tom Abbott
December 23, 2020 8:19 pm

https://knowridge.com/2020/12/this-old-drug-could-prevent-lung-damage-in-people-with-covid-19/

This old drug could prevent lung damage in people with COVID-19
By Knowridge

December 23, 2020

“The study began in July 2020 when the team demonstrated that the SARS-CoV-2 virus was inhibiting the effective breakdown of fat within the lungs.

The research then identified the efficacy of Fenofibrate (Tricor), an FDA approved drug that has been on the market since 1975 to address this deficiency in COVID-19 patients.

The drug is traditionally designed to address high levels of triglycerides (fats) in the blood. When applied to COVID-19 patients, the study proposes that it will stop the progression of the disease.

The researchers gathered data from 1,500 COVID-19 patients who were on a regiment of drugs designed to reduce the fatty buildup in lung cells.

The results were abundantly clear. Patients who were taking the drugs to speed up the breakdown of fats were recovering from the COVID-19 caused lung infections in a matter of days.
The evidence even showed that there was zero mortality among these patients.

The findings showed that the human lungs responded to the SARS-CoV-2 virus by completely changing their metabolism, causing a major buildup of fats in lung cells.

This unhealthy fat buildup is a critical factor in the COVID-19 patient’s deterioration.

Patients taking fibrates that work directly to breakdown fats recovered fast from the disease, while those taking medications that build fats like thiazolidinediones, showed greater lung damage and mortality.”

end except

Sounds promising.

December 23, 2020 9:47 pm
Joseph Zorzin
December 24, 2020 6:50 am

Here in Taxachusetts- the climate lockdown has started.

https://blogs.massaudubon.org/yourgreatoutdoors/massachusetts-signs-on-to-tci-program-heres-what-that-means/comment-page-1/?unapproved=12514&moderation-hash=2ccdf33b872a205c79fa2858ae35842e#comment-12514

“On Monday, December 21, leaders from Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and the District of Columbia officially signed on to the Transportation Climate Initiative Program (TCI-P). This bold agreement, which is the first of its kind in the nation, will significantly reduce regional carbon emissions, improving air quality and reducing pollution.”

No doubt it’ll also significantly increase the salaries/benefits of state bureaucrats and politicians. I guess I’ll have to buy a horse and more wool blankets and sweaters.

MarkW
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
December 24, 2020 10:39 am

The time to get out is before they start putting up walls and guard towers.

Jim Butts
December 24, 2020 3:15 pm

Since the average U S household spends about twice as much on environmental heating (mostly natural gas) than environmental cooling (AC from electricity) we clearly could use some climate change if we could possibly manage it.  That is to say we need some global warming.
This problem and the need for climate warming is even greater in other places such as Canada, Russia, and generally all areas at greater than about 30 latitude.

But climate change may be very difficult to achieve.  We might consider closing down all solar, wind, nuclear, hydro, and natural gas electricity generating plants and converting back to coal to increase greenhouse gas production, but this would probably not do it since a doubling of CO2 in the atmosphere would produce at best only a 1 degree temperature rise.  A better solution might be to spray black crude oil on our snow-covered mountains and the polar ice caps to decrease the reflectivity of sunlight and thus cause some earth heating.  But still probably not enough.  We may just have to adapt and make the most of what we have left of this interglacial warm period.        

Reply to  Jim Butts
December 28, 2020 9:01 pm

One more reason global warming is NOT a serious threat.

COLD WEATHER KILLS 20 TIMES AS MANY PEOPLE AS HOT WEATHER
by Joseph d’Aleo and Allan MacRae, September 4, 2015
https://friendsofsciencecalgary.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/cold-weather-kills-macrae-daleo-4sept2015-final.pdf

Steve45
December 24, 2020 6:27 pm

120,000 Americans spending Christmas Eve in the hospital, and 3,359 Americans reported dead from coronavirus overnight.

Sites like this have contributed to this number through the misinformation that has been peddled by its ignorant authors, contributors and readers.

What a bunch of monsters you are.

You should be ashamed.

Reply to  Steve45
December 24, 2020 11:17 pm

Steve:

Covid-19 deaths in the USA are exaggerated by a factor of almost six times – all deaths from whatever cause when the body is Covid-positive are coded as Covid deaths in the USA –
the good news is nobody dies of old age there anymore.

In Alberta less than 500 Covid-19 deaths have been recorded in a population of ~4 million people – that equates to about 40,000 Covid-19 deaths in the USA, not 250,000.

You have bought into the false Covid-19 hysteria and are now spreading that nonsense.

“Don’t be a girly man.” – Arnold Schwarzenegger

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Steve45
December 25, 2020 5:25 am

If I thought you really believed that, Steve45, I would suggest you go get some professional help. But I don’t believe that you are sincere, I think you just want to take this occasion to disparage WUWT and its commenters.

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