UK Journo Embarrasses Green Transport Minister

A competent, knowledgeable interviewer is a pleasure to watch.

The future of Heathrow expansion is uncertain after leading judges ruled that the Government must reconsider its support for a third runway because of the environmental impact.

The Court of Appeal concluded that the Secretary of State for Transport failed to take account of the Government’s commitments to tackling climate change when setting out support for the project in a National Policy Statement (NPS).

The appeal was brought by a group of councils in London affected by the expansion, environmental charities including Greenpeace, Friends Of The Earth and Plan B, and London Mayor Sadiq Khan. Campaigners hailed the ruling as a victory, and said it had “killed off” plans for a third runway for good and that the project is now “politically unacceptable”. The Green Party’s Caroline Russell talks to Julia about the expansion and the Government’s plans for net zero carbon emissions.


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July 26, 2020 10:40 am

Absolutely brilliant.
Next, lets see how the saintly Greta copes with her.
Then get her asking questions in Glasgow at the end of next year.

Popcorn futures are looking good.

Reply to  Oldseadog
July 26, 2020 1:40 pm

I’d like to see her interview AOC about her plans for America’s energy future if Biden were to win. Although, I doubt AOC’s handlers would let her.

Reply to  co2isnotevil
July 27, 2020 9:40 am

10¢ says Greta’s minders will move heaven + earth to swerve a meeting 🙂

Ed Zuiderwijk
July 26, 2020 10:42 am

Environmental ‘charities’. With CEOs receiving 6 figure remunerations that Joe Bloggs can onky dream of.

July 26, 2020 10:49 am

One nitpick, Mr. Rotter.
The wifie is not a Minister, she is the British Green Party’s spokesperson on Transport. Only members of the Government are Ministers.

Mark Hansford
Reply to  Charles Rotter
July 27, 2020 4:44 am

Caroline Russel of course not to be confused with Caroline Lucas the only Green Party MP. I initially made that mistake!!

Reply to  Oldseadog
July 27, 2020 12:05 am

She isn’t even in Parliament. She is an elected member of a London municipal body.

Ron Long
July 26, 2020 10:54 am

God forbid it might get 2 deg C warmer in Britain.

Reply to  Ron Long
July 26, 2020 12:35 pm

I went to visit the UK several years ago. It being late June, I was wearing long pants (unusual for me), a long sleeve shirt (very unusual for me), a wool shirt over that, and a wool flat cap … I wished I had brought a proper jacket.

Heaven forbid Norther Europeans might be unable to wear their wool jumpers (a.k.a sweaters) all summer long.

Harry Passfield
July 26, 2020 11:04 am

To be clear, Carolyn was not a ‘minister’, she was a spokesman. A useless spokesman at that.

Reply to  Harry Passfield
July 26, 2020 11:13 am

No, not useless. I thought she did a really good job in putting lots of people off the Green Party.

Bryan A
Reply to  Oldseadog
July 26, 2020 1:57 pm

Quite the Tool

Ron Long
Reply to  Bryan A
July 26, 2020 3:19 pm

Good grief, you fossils! She was a “spokesperson”.

Reply to  Harry Passfield
July 26, 2020 3:42 pm

If a female chairman is a ‘chair’
I suppose a female spokesman is a ‘spoke’.

Reply to  Photios
July 26, 2020 4:03 pm

Chair is a position, that of the leader; to refer to a person as the Chair of a group or committee is totally appropriate and correct. You likely think “Christ” is a first name, it is not; Christ is a title just like Chair.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Photios
July 26, 2020 4:50 pm

Woke Spoke Goes Broke. Film at 11.

Alastair Brickell
Reply to  Photios
July 26, 2020 5:43 pm

July 26, 2020 at 3:42 pm

No, she’s a ‘woke spoke’ if she’s with the Green Party.

Joel O'Bryan
July 26, 2020 11:16 am

The demands for Julia to be Cancelled are surely building. The Left’s Cancel Culture will be coming for her with knives out.

Cancel Culture exists for one purpose: to protect the House of Lies and Half-Truths the Left has built. It is a house that cannot stand against informed inquiry and questioning to get the whole truth. In the bigger picture of the climate scam, there is nothing Green, Affordable, or Reliable about wind and solar generated electrical power when the totality (the whole picture) is examined. It is only in very narrow examinations that renewable wind and solar appear to be “green” (reduce emissions). Because when the entire life cycle of the product (the wind turbine and infrastructure to build it and maintain it) is examined, along with the need for continual back-up reserves (and thus expenses and those emissions), the whole renewable-energy climate change is rightfully seen as a scam on consumers to pry money from them to support socialism and the political class pushing it.

Suppression of dissent and adherence to climate change dogma to keep the public in the dark and fed manure is achieved via the Cancel Culture.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 26, 2020 12:11 pm

Scalpels. They like to scalp the lives they deem a “burden”. It’s forward-looking, progressive, the very model of liberal virtue, and declared humane under a consensus.

Reply to  n.n
July 27, 2020 7:39 am

Utilitarianism in a word. One is only of value so long as one is useful.Think CCP.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 27, 2020 3:23 am

The non-greenness of electric heating and transport is very obvious. I enjoy pointing out to greenies what happens when they turn on or recharge an electric something: what happens is that a fossil-fueled power station increases its output.

Carl Friis-Hansen
July 26, 2020 11:18 am

Never laughed so much. I will open a beer and and see the interview again.
Julia is just so good.

July 26, 2020 11:37 am

A template for interviewing alarmists everywhere.

Ben Vorlich
July 26, 2020 11:41 am

The facial expressios of the interviewer as the question remained unanswered with repetition and obfuscation reflects how i feel listening to this sort of interview.

Presumably the spokesperson is Carolyn Moore not Caroline Lucas?

Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
July 26, 2020 11:56 am

Me not under how it can be Lucas when talkRADIO writes Russell on the YT page!?

Rich Davis
Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
July 26, 2020 2:19 pm

She is identified at 1:00 as “Caroline Russell, London Assembly Member and Transport Spokesman for the Green Party”

son of mulder
July 26, 2020 11:58 am

Every weekday mornning my radio goes on at 6.30 AM to listen to 3 1/2 Hours of Julia Hartley-Brewer taking down any bluffer who tries to patronise us with their woke rubbish no matter which political party they support.

She is the power that they need to speak truth to or else.

Larry in Texas
July 26, 2020 12:00 pm

Julia was, indeed, brilliant. I would only have wished to add when this simpering idiot woman who is the Green Party “spokesperson for transport” said she and her ilk “only want to make things better” is, no, it’s not about that, it is about your unlimited will to achieve total power and control over all human activity, economic or otherwise, in the true spirit of Stalin, Mao, Kim Jong-un, and other similar tyrants. Like in the United States, the UK is in the capture of a tyrannical, unaccountable bureaucracy, which includes the legal system. And the ignorant, fearful people of Europe and the United States are all too willing to turn their lives over to this motley crew of incompetent fools, like so many sheep or lemmings (sorry if I give the sheep and lemmings such a bad rap, but it’s still the best metaphor).

Reply to  Larry in Texas
July 27, 2020 7:43 am

I think the green spokesperson did mention that “the whole system has to change”.ie become socialist/totalitarian.

July 26, 2020 12:14 pm

So does this lawsuit mean no new runways can be built in Britain ? Absolute insanity.

Reply to  Stevek
July 26, 2020 1:28 pm

I think it means that anything with even the slightest potential of increasing Britain’s carbon footprint is not allowed under their version of a New Green Disaster put into law that will be our fate if Biden and his squad of Marxist advisors takes over.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Stevek
July 26, 2020 5:07 pm

You don’t want to reach a tipping point. You’d end up with runaway runways.

Capell Aris
July 26, 2020 12:14 pm

This was very entertaining but the Green Party are low hanging fruit.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Capell Aris
July 26, 2020 2:04 pm

Capell, You know it’s essentially the same across the major parties, even the talking points. Green was really talking about the GND. What do the Democrats say that’s different? The Greens are pathetic because the big left (and the right in EU/UK) have usurped their place in the political spectrum. In the West, Trump is the only person that stands in the way of the Totality folk plan to destroy the world economy.

Reply to  Gary Pearse
July 27, 2020 7:44 am

Agree completely!

July 26, 2020 12:21 pm

At the end it was kind of painful to listen to. I felt bad for the poor spokesperson who obviously was used to softball questions and no pushback from their complicit media friends. Suddenly she had to actually defend her position, but it was clear all she had to offer were the same empty platitudes we hear repeated so often.

Rich Davis
July 26, 2020 12:34 pm

Needless to say, this is not on BBC. Wonder how much longer will be allowed to continue broadcasting if they don’t cancel Julia.

July 26, 2020 12:34 pm

Wow!!! Not only is she cute, but she has smarts and knows about the subject. You go girl!!!

July 26, 2020 12:34 pm

But isn’t this Greens spokeswoman absolutely representative of all the wind & solar fans throughout the world?
Almost on a daily basis I find myself endangering friendships because I (politely, with civility) challenge their mantra about the magical powers of wind, solar and batteries.
But they always get mightily defensive when I cite facts & figures about the real-world capabilities & performances of “renewable” power generation, storage & dispatchability.

Of late I’ve been trying to get a sensible discussion going even by suggesting that, just for the purpose of discussion, we put the CO2 climate control knob hypothesis aside and just address the legitimacy of wind & solar as substitutes for coal, gas & nuclear, where most electricity generation is reliable and affordable.

Sad to say, I’m still not having much luck – it seems one has to ‘believe’ the whole climate / renewable power package or be regarded as a rank heretic.

J Mac
July 26, 2020 1:05 pm

A public paddling of the ‘green’ propaganda mouthpiece – Brilliant!

July 26, 2020 1:17 pm

So let’s ban all bulldozers. They are after all diesel powered. We could instead generate thousands of green jobs by giving workers spoons with which to dig. That is what Caroline is talking about, but she doesn’t know it.

Pete of Perth
Reply to  DHR
July 26, 2020 5:23 pm

Wooden spoons only.

Krudd Gillard of the Commondebt of Australia
Reply to  DHR
July 26, 2020 6:52 pm

Yep, Chairman Mao Great Leap Forward stuff.

Reply to  DHR
July 26, 2020 11:03 pm

In the UK, I have seen a building site where the green mobsters had forced a contractor to use an electric generator.

The site forman did a video tour of the battery powered generator powering lighting.

He showed the lights all aglow with energy, then he turned to the generator and walked all around before getting to the on/off switch which was in the off position and the recharge cable trailing out of shot.

Then he said, “Effin generator lasted 5 minutes before it gave out, so now we have to recharge it” before panning to the diesel engine recharging the batteries.

I won’t say what he said next

Paul Sery
July 26, 2020 1:24 pm

UK solar = 3.4%

Reply to  Paul Sery
July 26, 2020 4:52 pm

You link was for 2017
Here’s up to the min UK electricity generation data

Remember that due to the pandemic, manufacturing & transport demands have fallen dramatically.

You may also find this useful –

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Paul Sery
July 26, 2020 5:05 pm

At night, 0.0%

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
July 27, 2020 12:46 am

The Spanish showed us how that can be “sc@mmed”!

Gary Pearse
July 26, 2020 1:39 pm

Somehow this reporter has transcended the totally designer-brained education that she most certainly has endured in UK/EU, not less that of a school of journalism after getting High Marx* K-12. This is the tough nut that indoctrinators can’t crack.

Ozzie 97% John Cook unwittingly comes close to the tough-nut few percent of a population that thinks and analyzes for themselves. Dissidents in the Soviet Union probably numbered 2-3% – a much smaller number showed themselves, of course, in a brutally repressive regime, but the few, through communication with the West, most notably Solzhenitsen, were the first seeds of the collapse of Soviet Union.

At one time, I asked “Why would the establishment behind the Climate Wroughters be so exercised by a small band of dissenters when they had all the universities, institutions, monied foundations, NGOs, scientific associations, most of the media and governments in the bag? Why, at great expense of money and time, smear, deplatform, defund, have fired, expelled, threaten, attribute clandestine activity and evil fund sourcing…” History tells the totality schemers to fear dissidents! Just look what a real investigative journo did to the puffery of a Green Party head who was knocked off her talking points.

Robert B
July 26, 2020 1:51 pm

The Greens spokeswoman won that, unfortunately. She has that school teachers trick of saying something so confidently that even obvious BS sounds like fact.
“Climate breakdown” sounds like tosh to any free- thinking soul but to most teenagers, it’s scientific.

Forgetting the phrase “low confidence” is scientific, that is that you’re concentrating so much on the abstract concept that you forget what everyone had decided to label it, but most teenagers are brought up to just have high confidence if something is said confidently.

I brought it up because it’s my pet hate. The left have marched through education institutions and they deliberately will not do the hard yards to develop the young minds into thinking for themselves. They come out needing everything simplified for them as a mnemonic.

July 26, 2020 1:52 pm

wuwt is one of the few sites I turn off my ad blocker for.

Today I’m getting redirected to scam virus sites. Is there a way you can block those advertisers?

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Duncan_M
July 26, 2020 5:11 pm

I’ve never gotten anything like that here, on multiple devices.

Reply to  Jeff Alberts
July 27, 2020 12:59 pm

Neither have I, and I even have AdBlocker Ultimate and Ghostery enabled plus Symantec running.

Tim Spence
July 26, 2020 1:54 pm

I’m sure I watched this video months ago, on Feb 28th.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Tim Spence
July 26, 2020 2:10 pm

And what did you think then?

Bruce Cobb
July 26, 2020 1:58 pm

The beauty of all of this is that, even within their own, wrong-headed ideology, none of their “solutions” work, and in fact are harmful. I kept wanting her to ask the Green party nitwit what color the sky was on her planet, but I suppose that would be rude.

July 26, 2020 2:23 pm

So, applying Green virtue signalling is the best way to increase global pollution and CO2 emissions.

That’s exactly what’s going on and this is exactly what Green activists want in order to continue to exist, taking at the same time some more grant from eco-taxes.

In the same vein, they want also more extreme weather events so they can justify their purpose and continue their clown show, but unfortunately, we as humans can do almost nothing in this respect to help them.

Alasdair Fairbairn
July 26, 2020 2:38 pm

Most refreshing. Emailed my congratulations to Talk Radio. and suggested they do a series of like interviews with perhaps the inclusion of some responsible sceptical personalities to put their case.

William Astley
July 26, 2020 3:13 pm

The green solution, does not work …

Planet of the Humans

Anyway, it is a fact that all of the high energy jobs will go to China, if we continue to implement the cannot work plan with a 2050 date, as China does not have a court of appeals.

And the idiots are starting fights about statues and the past that can not be changed… in addition to Climate change.

No need for a new airport if tourism is dead. The super big, very high tourism, financial center, city concept might be dead because of covid.

When costs go up and revenue goes down, city taxes must go up. That forces more companies to leave ….

So that forces taxes up again.Covid ruined the reason why people wanted to live in the large flashy, super high tourism, cities.

Ridership on the massive underground subways are down 80%. The expensive to run and maintain mass transit system were mostly losing money before covid…

A bail out does not work, if there is a permanent reduction in revenue and costs are fixed.

London looming extinction event. Ditto for other very big, expensive to run, high tourism, high energy cities, such as….New York, Paris, Madrid, and so on.

No one wants to ride on high crime, underground subways. Ridership is down 80%. The companies that run the very expensive to run, keep clean, to staff, and to protect, big city underground subways, were losing money and because of covid they have lost 80% of their ridership.

July 26, 2020 4:39 pm

Green Party’s Caroline Russell did a good job of putting people off the many insane ‘renewable’ energy schemes. Julia did an even better job of putting large holes in her arguments. We need to see more of Julia, She should tackle Grete Thunderbird next.

July 26, 2020 5:12 pm

Hey, give Caroline Russell some credit for actually taking questions on the air. 😉 Most members of the Green Blob would simply refuse such an interview lest they end up sounding like, well, Caroline Russell.

July 26, 2020 5:36 pm

Julia was absolutely brilliant – insightful and well informed, while maintaining a completely unruffled demeanor and unfailing politeness! A pleasure to watch (and funny as well at the expense of the Greens spokesperson!)

July 26, 2020 5:53 pm

Julia could have picked up on the ‘dirty energy’ phrase, and pointed out that CO2 is an invisible gas. and therefore the only thing ‘dirty’ about energy from fossil fuels is that the Greens don’t like it.

Right-Handed Shark
July 26, 2020 6:05 pm

Good old Julia, probably the UK’s only rationally thinking journalist.

Komerade Cube
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
July 26, 2020 7:53 pm

Goodness that Donnachadh McCarthy is a blithering idiot! His “argument” is one appeal to authority after another.

Patrick MJD
July 26, 2020 7:12 pm

I have watched her before, she is brilliant!

Komerade Cube
July 26, 2020 7:43 pm

This interviewer is awesome!

July 26, 2020 8:36 pm

No issue illustrates the utopian, illogical and wishful thinking mentality of enviro-fascists. So instead of allowing a 3rd runway, you’d rather have that extra capacity (when it comes back) take longer drives out to other airports (thus more emissions). Meanwhile, without a 3rd runway flights at Heathrow will have longer taxi/queue times, longer hold patterns in the air waiting to land, etc. etc., raising emissions. They’re happy to waste billions of taxpayer dollars dragging out every project, which also increases emissions, since all economic activity has associated energy use. They just don’t get that restricting supply doesn’t erase the demand.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  WR2
July 26, 2020 9:50 pm

Heathrow is the busiest airport in Europe. People say that that volume would transfer to Frankfurt once Britain is full extracted from the EU. Yeah right! There are hundreds of thousands of service industry providers in and around the airport that would have nothing else to do for gainful employment. Green MP’s would be lynched. But also listen to the other projects that are at risk, rail projects for instance.

Russ Wood
Reply to  Patrick MJD
July 27, 2020 9:20 am

Rail Projects? If you are referring to the ridiculous HS2, which is proposed to (very expensively) reduce the London to Birmingham time by up to 20 minutes? And why Birmingham, I must ask? Humourist Mike Harding once said “If the world had piles, that’s where they’d be!”
Having, in the last decade, travelled between Liverpool and London by both the ‘ordinary’ rail and the car (with the inevitable speed limits, tailbacks, and queues) I know that even an ‘ordinary’ train is pretty good compared to road.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Russ Wood
July 27, 2020 5:08 pm

I guess HS2 would be affected, I am not sure, just a comment was made in the video about other infrastructure projects road and rail. But I do miss the old HST trains. Paddington to Fishguard, Newbury to Paddington. M5 and M6 corridors have always been a nightmare.

Reply to  WR2
July 27, 2020 5:45 am

So instead of allowing a 3rd runway, you’d rather have that extra capacity (when it comes back) take longer drives out to other airports (thus more emissions).

I think the idea is that we deplorables shouldn’t be allowed to travel. Turn your mind to all the celebs, royals and ‘Davos people’ who tell us to travel less as they step aboard their private jets and yachts. If they could get away with it, they would legislate to prevent us from travelling altogether. But since they wouldn’t get away with it, they’ll fall back on plan B, which is to tax us out of using private cars and travelling by plane. As an example, look at the London congestion tax, which, broadly speaking, applies to most vehicles travelling in certain parts of London during the working week. Since the object of it is to reduce congestion, wouldn’t something such as a number plate odds and evens arrangement be fairer to all road users. But, no, a tax was introduced. The tax is just chump change to the wealthy and it has the added advantage of removing all of us beastly lower class people from the streets so that the privileged don’t have their senses soiled by our presence.

Reply to  BC
July 28, 2020 12:24 pm

Their goals seem more attainable (to me) than 6 months ago. I am totally amazed at how pliable and willing to be regimented most Americans have shown themselves to be with the House Arrests (Lockdowns & Forced Unemployment) and Mandatory Mask Laws.

As a short timer (my doctors indicate I have a year, maybe two), I likely will be able to escape most of the bad stuff our country faces. My kids won’t be so lucky, unfortunately.

July 26, 2020 8:47 pm

Has anyone done the calculation on the amount of rare metals that will need to be dug up to build all those windmills, solar panels, batteries for EVs et?. Surely we are gong to see the number of quarries and mines multiply enormously meaning the environment for very large numbers of people is going to be totally trashed so Britain can be clean and still comfortable. Similarly the landscape and offshore is going to be totally blighted in every direction by solar panels, wind farms and transmission lines. What’s more SOMEONE is going to have to provide the base load power for the no sun/wind occasions. Meaning of course that there will need to be getting on for double the needed generation capacity. The green dream is totally unrealistic, I don’t know why anyone gives credence to that rubbish! Over the longer term we SHOULD be working on sustainability and equity. Carrying on as usual and offloading the cost and impact of our consumption elsewhere is greedy and chauvinistic.

Michael S. Kelly
July 26, 2020 9:36 pm

If I wasn’t already married to a woman like this, I know who I would be asking out…even with the funny accent. (She’d probably get used to it, though.)

July 27, 2020 2:33 am

At least we have a couple of decent journalists.

But that’s about it.

July 27, 2020 3:32 am

This is old news, first posted on YouTube 28 Feb 2020.

The legal ruling has almost no effect. It is purely that projects like that need to have an assessment of how it will effect the Paris Accord targets. The government created a law to that effect and then did not obey it in this proposal. Somebody just needs to spend a day or so writing an assessment and the legal requirement is meet.

Rod Evans
July 27, 2020 5:22 am

If you want to know just hoe pathetic the background knowledge of the active Greens is, simply ask them a straight question that has a recognised right answer.
Maybe ask “what level of CO2 in the atmosphere is too low for animals and plants to survive”.
You will be un-surprised to learn they have not got an clue.
So confident of the level of ignorance in play, within the current political class. I offered to vote for which ever parliamentary candidate could answer that question correctly at a hustings ( a place where would be constituency MPs in the UK, offer their views on a panel type setting all together) back in 2017. The panel had a Labour Dr. person, the sitting Tory MP, a LibDem councillor and a Green party zealot. Not one of them was able to answer. I would have accepted a range of below 200 PPM with 150 PPM being game over.
The depth of ignorance is striking, but it simply reflects the lack of debate about the climate subjects, by the Greens. They are instructed not to debate anything, so they don’t. They are told to instruct others not listen to what others may have to say.
What could possibly go wrong?

July 27, 2020 12:37 pm

The fundamental point I take from this video is our lives are being run by those without the knowledge or experience of the issues at hand. This is a function of many whose analytic theology is based on “Descartes Corollary” (I think therefore I’m right).

The consequences of this kind of thinking are: the rest of us must be subjected to a loss of our “God Given” rights and liberty because the local mob think they’re God, and must be totalitarian in achieving their goals. The primary benefit of free markets, as opposed to this totalitarian claptrap, where people have the freedom to choose what to buy, for what purpose, and what benefits themselves, is people are free and not subject to the whim of whatever local “mob” arises, like a summer thunderstorm in Colorado.

Pat from kerbob
July 27, 2020 9:39 pm

I can see that both the green twit and the xr twit were cornered about rising renewable costs they both fell back to energy efficiency and insulating as how bills will go down, completely capitulating on their initial position that it’s cheaper

Nothing but lies

July 28, 2020 4:52 am

Julia Hartley-Brewer for Energy Minister..!!

WHAT a breath of fresh air – I felt quite perky after watching this interview…

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