Scott Morefield Reporter May 19, 2020 1:43 PM ET
YouTube defended its removal of a video of a prominent epidemiologist explaining his view on coronavirus and “herd immunity.”
The video featured Dr. Knut Wittkowski, the former head of biostatistics, epidemiology and research design at Rockefeller University. In it, he was critical of lockdown and social distancing measures, arguing they are counterproductive to achieving “herd immunity” from the virus. The vide was removed for purported “misinformation” after reaching over 1.3 million views.
“With all respiratory diseases, the only thing that stops the disease is herd immunity,” Wittkowski said in the video, according to the New York Post, which first reported the story on Saturday. “About 80% of the people need to have had contact with the virus, and the majority of them won’t even have recognized that they were infected.”
Responding to the Daily Caller’s request for comment on the video’s removal, YouTube spokesperson Ivy Choi said in a statement:
We quickly remove flagged content that violates our Community Guidelines, including content that explicitly disputes the efficacy of global or local health authority recommended guidance on social distancing that may lead others to act against that guidance. We are committed to continue providing timely and helpful information at this critical time.
YouTube came under fire in April from Fox News host Tucker Carlson and others after the company removed a video by Drs. Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi criticizing California’s lockdown measures. The video had reached 5 million views. (RELATED: Tucker: WHO ‘Admitting’ Sweden’s ‘Model’ Is Working But US Policy Makers Won’t ‘Abandon A Sweeping Power Grab’)
“When this is all over, it’s likely we’ll look back on this moment, what YouTube just did, as a turning point in the way we live in this country, a sharp break with 250 years of law and custom,” Carlson, a co-founder of the Daily Caller, said in an April “Tucker Carlson Tonight” monologue. “The doctor’s video was produced by a local television channel. It was, in fact a mainstream news story. The only justification for taking it down was that the physicians on-screen had reached different conclusions than the people currently in charge.”
Most of Democrat governors are not monsters to deny potentially life saving treatment to patients. Google, Facebook, and Twitter have driven them crazy. Imagine a governor (or a reporter, health care apparatchik, or staffer) who wants to learn other side’s opinion on HCQ. He searches in Google – and finds only negative opinions about it. He asks somebody to send a link to a video or document – and the document is deleted, as violating ToS.
Who could imagine that Google hunts down and removes useful & helpful medical information just because it is useful and helpful?
There are multiple class action suits in the making against the aforementioned because of the bias that you describe. A lot of lawyers will get rich.
They really have dropped the mask. They dont even pretend its anything but liberal censorship.
Google needs to be broken up. What they are doing is far more damaging to society than anything that triggered previous monopoly break ups.
RE your comment:
“They don’t even pretend its anything but liberal censorship.”
These people are not Liberals – they are Marxists – but they prefer the term “progressives”, “socialists”, etc.
Many countries that have fallen for their lies are now dictatorships – with a handful of despots living like kings, lording it over a country of poor peasants. Venezuela and Zimbabwe are great examples, but there are many more across South America, Africa, Asia and the Arab world.
This is what the Dems want for America and what Trudeau has underway for Canada – a Chinese style dictatorship.
YouTube spokesperson Ivy Choi’s frank statement, the one not fit to print:
“We quickly remove any and all content that contradicts our World View, including content that explicitly disputes the scientific consensus on climate change and global or established local health authority propaganda, both of which may lead others to act as independent thinkers. We are committed to continue providing timely and what-we-view-to-be-helpful censorship at this critical time.”
Loose Change is still on YouTube…and monetized at $3.99. It is part of “YouTube Movies.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0skCyy7TObQ
How is that possible?
Video itself missing and comments off from Europe!
Is it the same as this one:
Note to the YouTube commissars: Thank you for your concern, but I can think for myself.
Chloroquine is likely as effective as chicken soup. Not sure why WUWT readers who are critical of quackery in climate science think that there is a place for speculative claims in medicine.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/03/25/study-shows-hydroxy-chloroquine-is-ineffective-against-covid-19—so-what-now/#ae38daf409be
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.07.20056424v2
Are there any studies of chicken soup? Is chicken soup quackery?
There had better be a place for speculative claims in medicine.
Shoot them down, disprove them, run trials, debate them as best you can, but do not censor them.
Thanks for the medrxiv study. From Brazil. Brazil needs all the help it can get; they are just getting started with covid as the northern hemisphere is finishing (cross fingers)
“Chloroquine diphosphate in two different dosages as adjunctive therapy of hospitalized patients with severe respiratory syndrome in the context of coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) infection: Preliminary safety results of a randomized, double-blinded, phase IIb clinical trial (CloroCovid-19 Study)”
So all the cases were already severe. All 81 of them. They were divided into two groups. One “high dose” group got 12 g CQ while the “low dose” group got 2.7 g CQ.
Older patients (aged over 75) were only in the high dose arm.
From the discussion section:
“However, CQ, despite being a safe drug used for more than 70 years for malaria, might be toxic in the dosages recommended by Chinese authorities (high dosage 10g, for 10 days).”
It is quite possible that high doses are bad, and it’s possible that CQ is not the Lazarus solution.
From their discussion section:
“We recommend the following next steps: (1) trials evaluating its role as a prophylactic drug; (2) trials evaluating its efficacy against progression to severity when administered to patients with mild/moderate disease.”
Yes chicken soup is quackery. Lets do a study. Lets administer early cuz the usual chloroquine efficacy complaint is that it was administered late. Lets give Chloroquine to half. Lets give chicken soup to half. Geez, about 95% recovery rate for both chicken soup and chloroquine, dozens of studies of hundreds of patients required to determine any statistical difference, not piddly little studies on 8, or 28, or even a hundred people that were likely to recover anyway. Get over it, chloroquine is no “magic bullet”, and chicken soup tastes better.
Not a magic bullet, I don’t believe in magic bullets. A bullet to bring people back from the dead, nah. Even a metaphorical “bullet”. I’ll change my mind when you find the Holy Grail.
Chicken soup, I can believe in that.
Chicken soup contains ZINC. And zinc is the essential ingredient, not HCQ. HCQ delivers the zinc to where it is needed. And of course starting with a healthy zinc level is good.
https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/01/health/chicken-soup-food-drayer/index.html
There are more reasons to like CNS in that link. CNS is not quackery.
Toto,
Good point, and thanks for this study. Should I take it then that chicken noodle soup is better than chloroquine? I don’t think so, but some people might. On a related topic….Has anyone studied if there are more CoVid19 intensive care admissions during full moons ?
Oh heeellllppp me! I’ve become infected with whatever Zoe Phin has….
DM
More and more studies are finding problems with HCQ. On the other hand, I don’t think that there are any deaths that can be attributed to chicken noodle soup (CNS) and there is no shortage of anecdotal testimonials for CNS. I personally prefer the taste of CNS.
Don’t sell CNS short.
One evening, some years ago, I brought my friend’s elderly dog, “Boomer,” back from the very brink of death, with broth from Campbell’s Chicken Noodle Soup.
I “got the call,” and rushed right over. When I arrived at my friend’s house, “to say goodbye to Boomer,” he was lying on a mat, “surrounded by family and friends,” as they say, in my friend’s living room. Poor Boomer was too weak to even lift his head.
So I went to the kitchen, found some Campbell’s CNS concentrate, mixed it with water, warmed it to “baby bottle temperature,” and then patiently squirted it into the near-comatose dog’s mouth with a plastic syringe, for the next hour.
After about an hour of squirting broth into Boomer’s mouth, and massaging his throat until he swallowed, over and over, to the amazement of all assembled, Boomer came back to life! He stood up and walked! It seemed miraculous (though he did not take up his mat).
The next day was an expensive one, for my friend. Boomer’s regular vet said he was too ill to be treated there — though he was doing enormously better than he had been the night before. So Boomer ended up at the NCSU vet school, which is very high $ care. But he made a good recovery (from what they ultimately decided was probably Ehrlichiosis). As I recall, he lived another 8 or 10 months, in reasonably good health.
CNS saved his life.
Your first link is to a Chinese study which didn’t distinguish between early use of HCQ in combo with azithromicin and zinc and use in already on death’s door patients of HQC alone.
Your second link is to the thoroughly discredited Brazilian study using absurdly high dosages of chloroquine, not HCQ.
Proper studies have found high effectiveness. Further full double blind clinical trials are underway.
Patients getting better is not speculation. Reports are coming in from all over from doctors who see marked improvement in their patients.
YouTube censors video in which medical doctors said hydroxychloroquine might help treat COVID-19
https://justthenews.com/nation/free-speech/youtube-censors-video-which-medical-doctors-said-hydroxychloroquine-might-help#.XsWNlPEbVOs.twitter
Chloroquine is likely as effective as chicken soup
bait and switch. Chloroquine is not hydroxychloroquine, a study of the one says nothing about the other.
Hydroxychloroquine has been safely administered to patients for decades, It’s a known drug so we generally know who it’s safe to give to and who it’s not and at what doses. There’s some anecdotal and preliminary studies that show it, along with zinc, is useful when used early on but not so much for those that are already badly affected by the disease. As such the downsides are minimal and the potential upside (when used early) great. The real question isn’t why Doctors are willing to prescribe it (because many Doctors have), but why certain individuals are so dead set against it that they use the deceptive practice of pointing to a study of Chloroquine to “disprove” the possible usefulness of Hydroxychloroquine.
I am generically lumping quinine derivatives and their various regimens with zinc and antibiotics under one name….”chloroquine” for brevity. Basically if these regimens are administered “early” they show about the same recovery rates as the “unadministered” group. If administered late, the “believers” say it didn’t seem to work because it was administered too late to help. So the improvement, if any, is difficult to quantify, without larger study groups better control trials….but we can say after 4 months of ad hoc small sample trials at various hospitals worldwide, that the results so far aren’t better than administering placebos. Which might still be useful for statistically challenged people who are panicking.
Some things work better if done in advance. Bullet-proof vests, seat belts, condoms, insurance, HCQ. If you could link to some studies of HCQ administered before the person entered the hospital we would all be grateful. HCQ has all the headlines now, but there are also other drugs which might be as good or better, when used as a prophylactic.
Usually Covid-19 hits the old much harder than the young. What is it that protects the young and what makes the old vulnerable? Is there a drug opportunity in the answer to that question?
How many studies have been done using the patients in care homes instead of hospitals?
“…. studies of HCQ administered before the person entered the hospital we would all be grateful….“
Well, countries where malaria is endemic have those very people…..and for a while, low CoVid19 rates in those countries was touted a possible example of how well quinine derivatives possibly worked…..except that recently they are “catching up“ in number of infections. Turns out countries with endemic malaria don’t have much equipment for PCR and antibody testing….If they do catch up, it will actually show that quinine derivatives aren’t effective for CoVid19…..
My money is on chloroqiney treatments being less beneficial than placebos, about half the time.
We will find out in due course. We will watch the countries with endemic malaria, but there are so many confounding factors, it is possible that we still won’t know for sure. It will take a properly designed study for that, in order to take into account age, health, comorbidities, other vaccines and immunities to other viruses, and other factors.
Including diet. Whether it’s chicken soup or not, what you eat has a huge effect on your health, and that has a huge effect on how susceptible you are to this and other viruses.
If it turns out that HCQ prevents deaths, the people who prevented us from using it or even learning about it should eat crow.
Diet is indeed extremely important, Toto. And the sad fact is that many people in the modern “western world” simply don’t eat a healthy diet. They eat all kinds of nutrient-lacking processed foods high in chemical preservatives and not nearly enough of natural unprocessed fruits and vegetables that are full of vital nutrients. In another post, DMacKenzie stated “and zinc will be….well….useless if you have an adequate diet”. but that’s the rub, many people don’t have an adequate diet, if they did, obesity (just to pick an obvious example) wouldn’t be nearly as prevalent in the “western world” as it is.
How long did it take fakebook and Youdope to remove the videos of the murders of Muslims in Christchurch, NZ?
Too many people have the foolish notion that YouTube is about spreading knowledge and information.
It is not!
YouTube, Google, and their controllers at Alphabet are all about their own commercial imperatives, and the money from the people who pay for them. So if YouTube is paid, or the board at Alphabet politically feel, that it is appropriate to censor the content of what goes online, then that is what they do.
They are after all in full editorial control just like every publisher (even though they lie to many tax authorities by claiming they are not a publisher), but what else should you expect from a company that lied to YOU saying they would do no evil, and then continuously attempting to spy on you 24/7.
Remember YouTube IS a publisher, it does make money from targeted advertising, and as an advertiser the phrase ‘Do No Evil’ is just a meaningless slick piece of advertising copy.
So far Sweden is at 380 deaths/million, i.e. higher than the US with a much less dense population.
Chloroquine is not the same as hydroxychloroquine, and hydroxychloroquine needs to be administered at the right time with a zinc supplement.
It almost seems as though studies were designed to fail. We already know the that journalists are biased.
BTW, several studies show that chicken soup helps to fight the common cold.
Chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine, I prefer gin & tonic.
Google/YouTube has now made a declaration as to how best to manage COVID-19 and alternative voices are not welcome.
What responsibility does this imply? If incorrect (difficult to prove), is there any responsibility on Google’s part for repercussions? It’s one thing to flag postings advocating violence, terrorism, etc., but a differing viewpoint on a controversial public health concern is a vastly different matter. They are wading into significant policy debates and the responsibility that entails.
Very sad to see a platform fail in this way.
What we are witnessing are the birth pangs of a global technocracy. With contact tracing embedded in smartphone firmware (imminent), the steady switch to digital currency (underway), it won’t be long before we’re embedded within a social credit system (as functioning in China already) with no escape.
Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) is preferred because it has fewer side effects than chloroquine. They work by ‘opening the door’ to cells to let zinc in. The zinc inhibits the virus’ ability to hijack the cells reproductive DNA with the result that the virus cannot replicate. To be effective, HCQ must be administered as soon as possible, even prophylactically (as protection before infection) and with zinc to make sure there is plenty of zinc available to the cells.
Testimony from doctors warning of risks with HCQ are a red herring. These doctors simply lack knowledge of its wide use and safety. Specialist Doctors have proscribed it for decades to millions of people with no serious side effects for the treatment of lupus and rheumatoid arthritis and prevention and cure of malaria.
The Trump/America haters have death on their hands. The Trump-hating media reported that HCQ was given to veterans and they died. This is typical fake news where only part of the story was told. They did not mention that the vets, all with serious co-morbidities, were already in final stage hopeless condition.
In at least one state, the use of HCQ was forbidden until the patient was hospitalized. That would often be too late and essentially guarantee a bad outcome which, of course, was trumpeted by the Trump-hating media.
The Trump-hating media reported that HCQ is an ‘unproven’ medicine for covid-19 which is true. What makes it fake news is that they do not say that there is NO proven medicine for treatment of covid-19. In fact, testing to prove the effectiveness of HCQ is ongoing.
Take a look at what is being done in Senegal. They are using HCQ. They are also testing everybody.
The Pasteur Institute has a very good reputation.
As Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother used to say -“it’s 5 o’Clock somewhere in the empire – I would like a gin and tonic!”.
@ur momisugly Dan Pangburn May 20, 2020 at 6:47 pm
What a whiff of fresh air. Well Done.
Dan Kurt
HCQ is a commonly administered drug in countries with high malaria and they also initially appeared to have low CoVid19 infections….so a possible treatment ?….now those countries are developing many CoVid19 cases….so seems like they just didn’t have enough PCR and antibody testing capability to allow the original assumptions to be drawn. Everybody is politely trying to say that the jury is still out…..reality is that HCQ has a beneficial placebo effect for the CoVid19 fearful, co-administered antibiotics are going to be just as effective on secondary respiratory infections as usual, and zinc will be….well….useless if you have an adequate diet.
DMa,
It is desirable for HCQ to not prevent covid thus allowing the production of antibodies; developing immunity. The important effect is to reduce the severity of the disease and reduce the risk of death. Apparently the typical diet is a bit short on zinc as demonstrated by the success of zinc gluconate in shortening the effect of another corona virus, the common cold.
There are many different reasons that leftists want lockdowns to continue. Four that come to mind are:
1. It suits the de-industrialization agenda of some environmental zealots, many of whom enjoy tenured, taxpayer-funded employment; and
2. Some are hoping it will trash the US economy as they see this as the only thing that might prevent Trump’s re-election.
3. Since PDT is calling for lockdowns to end, those suffering from acute TDS will oppose it for no other reason than the fact that it is being proposed by Trump.
4. Some want to use the concept of obeying the dictates of ‘experts’ as a way of gradually conditioning people to accept authoritarian rule.
If you count every suicide death for people under 30 as TDS, you will find that TDS is far more deadly than COVID-19 for people in that age group.
“The opinions that have been expressed by Knut Wittkowski, discouraging social distancing in order to hasten the development of herd immunity to the novel coronavirus, do not represent the views of The Rockefeller University, its leadership, or its faculty.
Wittkowski was previously employed by Rockefeller as a biostatistician. He has never held the title of professor at Rockefeller.”
https://www.rockefeller.edu/news/27872-rockefeller-university-releases-statement-concerning-dr-knut-wittkowski/
He is not an epidemiologist
Neither is Greta Thunberg.
“including content that explicitly disputes the efficacy of global or local health authority recommended guidance on social distancing”
How dare anyone disagree with the government.
20 May: Conservative Review: The coronavirus death rate has been inflated all over the country
by Daniel Horowitz
It’s no longer a question of if the coronavirus fatality numbers are inflated but by how much they are inflated.
Last week, Colorado was forced to revise its own COVID-19 fatality numbers down by a whopping 23% after state and local officials called out the coding of deaths of people who died of other causes causes who merely tested positive for the virus. It now appears that this trend is widespread in Colorado and all over the country, which would explain why we saw an endless surge in the death count for weeks after hospitals were already empty. Once testing became standard, officials were retroactively recoding anyone who tested positive for COVID-19 without any evidence they died from it.
What would the death rate look like if every state were forced to count only those proven with reasonable evidence to have died of the coronavirus? ETC…
New data from a large serology test in Spain shows that even among seniors the majority of those who test positive for the virus are asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic…
https://www.conservativereview.com/news/horowitz-coronavirus-death-rate-inflated-country/
20 May: Spectator US: Stanford study suggests coronavirus might not be as deadly as flu
All their estimates for IFR are markedly lower than the figures thrown about a couple of months ago
by Ross Clark
In the past few weeks, a slew of serological studies estimating the prevalence of infection in the general population has become available. This has allowed Prof John Ioannidis of Stanford University to work out the IFR in 12 different locations.
They range between 0.02 percent and 0.5 percent — although Ioannidis has corrected those raw figures to take account of demographic balance and come up with estimates between 0.02 percent and 0.4 percent. The lowest estimates came from Kobe, Japan, found to have an IFR of 0.02 percent and Oise in northern France, with an IFR of 0.04 percent. The highest were in Geneva (a raw figure of 0.5 percent) and Gangelt in Germany (0.28 percent).
The usual caveats apply: most studies to detect the prevalence of the SARS-CoV-2 virus in the general population remain unpublished, and have not yet been peer-reviewed. Some are likely to be unrepresentative of the general population. The Oise study, in particular, was based on students, teachers and parents in a single high school which was known to be a hotspot on COVID-19 infection. At the other end of the table, Geneva has a relatively high age profile, which is likely to skew its death rate upwards…
Seasonal influenza is often quoted as having an IFR of 0.1 to 0.2 percent. The Stanford study suggests that COVID-19 might not, after all, be more deadly than flu — although, as Ioannidis notes, the profile is very different: seasonal flu has a higher IFR in developing countries, where vaccination is rare, while COVID-19 has a higher death rate in the developed world, thanks in part of more elderly populations.
The Stanford study, however, does not include the largest antibody study to date: that involving a randomized sample of 70,000 Spanish residents, whose preliminary results were published by the Carlos III Institute of Health two weeks ago. That suggested that five percent of the Spanish population had been infected with the virus. With 27,000 deaths in the country, that would convert to an IFR of 1.1 percent.
This article was originally published on The Spectator’s UK website.
https://spectator.us/stanford-study-suggests-coronavirus-deadly-flu/
The numbers and methods are all over the map. you won’t learn much from them because they all fail to correct for the known predispositions to get a symptomatic case and die.
you are stuck with half assed lockdowns until you learn to do it right
You also have the problem that politicians never admit that they were wrong.
This stops them from looking at how Taiwan handled the situation and either copying it or improving it.
Saving face is more important than saving lives.
The key problem as I see it is that we have no way of knowing what will happen to an individual who has not been exposed, being exposed. Unlike the Spanish Flu, which killed at lot of 28 year old men, this virus seems to kill people over 65, in particular over 75. This virus seems to not be fatal for people under 30, although long term effects are unknown.
Knut Wittkowski responded to criticisms in his updated Perspectives on the Pandemic interview.
at 41m47s: Update. Knut Wittkowski responds to criticism. never claimed to be a professor at Rockefeller University etc.
DR KNUT WITTKOWSKI ON ‘PERSPECTIVES’ (EPISODES 2 & 5) | A LOOK BACK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYHMBFz_PqI
LinkedIn: Knut M. Wittkowski, ASDERA – Advanced Statistics for Drug Exploration, Reformulation & Approval
Experience:
Head, Biostatistics, Epidemiology, and Research Design, Center for Clinical & Translational Science
1998 – Jun 2018
New York, NY
https://www.linkedin.com/in/knutmwittkowski
4 Nov 2016: New Scientist: Diversity Insider: A world of talent
By Suzanne Elvidge
In the 1990s, postdoc Knut Wittkowski, armed with a PhD in computer science from the University of Stuttgart and a DSc in Medical Biometry from the University of Tübingen in Germany, came over to North America on a two-year award. More than 20 years later, Professor Wittkowski holds a green card and is the head of Biostatistics, Epidemiology & Research Design at the Rockefeller University…
https://jobs.newscientist.com/en-au/article/a-world-of-talent/
After reviewing this evening’s stats on the Coronavirus pandemic from John’s Hopkins, it would appear that Sweden’s approach with “herd immunity” is not such a good idea. Adjusting for the different populations of Sweden, Denmark, Norway and Finland here are the comparisions (making all equivalent to Sweden):
Cases. Deaths
Sweden. 31,523. 3831
Denmark. 19,454. 970
Norway. 15,618. 441
Finland. 11,713. 553
Unfortunately, in Sweden, it is the older folks who have borne the brunt of the most dire consequences.
One would think that this demonstrates in real time that with the use of testing, social distancing, and the use of face masks, etc.that we could approach some normalcy and revive our economies at the same time. However, it also demonstrates that a mad rush to the good old days is very ill-advised.
Norway has zero Covid-19 cases in many of its regions. Denmark is doing very well. But what is making the difference? What are they doing right? Asking (or assuming) what Sweden is doing wrong might not be the right question.
Look at the current differences in case fatality rates between the worst hit zipcode in NYC and the worst hit little part of Sweden (comparable to a zipcode), NYC is much worse.
YouTube is but one of many overnight virus experts who are all too willing to “burn the books”.
Isn’t incredible how history repeats.
Burning the books did not even last a century before being revived.
Has everyone forgotten that Rita Hanks was treated with chloroquine when she fell ill with Wuhan Coronavirus 19? Mrs Tom Hanks, kinda the definition of wealthy leftist elite. She gets the drug and all is fine with everyone. However when The Great Unwashed clamour for the drug, we are told it is stupid, deadly, and ineffective.
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Rita Wilson, who announced she had contracted the coronavirus with her husband Tom Hanks last month, warned that taking chloroquine, a drug that has been touted by the White House as a “game changer,” caused her “extreme side effects.”
The couple has since recovered from their infection that was reported on March 11, after quarantining in Australia, where they were diagnosed with the illness.
Hanks cited milder symptoms than Wilson, who was given chloroquine for her treatment, according to The Hollywood Reporter.
Wilson said she was not sure if the drug worked or if her fever broke naturally. However, regardless of whether the drug worked, she said she thinks it caused “extreme side effects” that made her nauseous, dizzy and weakened her muscles.
She added, “people have to be very considerate about that drug. We don’t really know if it’s helpful in this case.””
https://thehill.com/homenews/coronavirus-report/492702-rita-wilson-warns-she-experienced-extreme-side-effects-after
Brilliant addition to the thread, Jack. Just absolute stupendous work here.
Oh well that settles it then doesn’t it?
Awwww. By all means, let’s not allow for the fact that the drug potentially WORKED TO SAVE Mrs. Wilson-Hanks’ life get in the way of whether or not her poor self were made uncomfy from being forced to take it, shall we? I mean, how DARE any potentially life-saving medicine inconvenience a patient by chafing them in some way right? For example, the absolute impudence of chemotherapy! Boo!
But then there’s the undeniable fact that poor Mrs. Wilson-Spanks complains of the *cure* as though it actually were the *symptom* of C-19:
Nausea:
“Other less common symptoms have been reported, including gastrointestinal symptoms like nausea, vomiting, or diarrhea.”
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/symptoms-testing/symptoms.html
Dizzyness:
“Adults with the following symptoms are advised to go to the Emergency Department: Sudden dizziness or frequent dizzy spells”
https://www.unitedregional.org/coronavirus-information/
Muscle weakness:
“As with the flu, most people who get coronavirus only experience mild viral symptoms such as fever, cough, muscle pain or weakness . . . ”
https://www.summitmedicalgroup.com/news/living-well/coronavirus-faq/
Huh . . . well whaddya know?
What say you, Jack?
Dr. Knut Wittkowski is delivering straight from the Maters epidemiology course that I studied over a decade ago, and that my daughter is studying now. ie, its textbook.
That Youtube have censored known accepted science taught at postgraduate school is truly frightening.
No matter how many times you repeat bullshit it’s still bullshit. What we’ve learned about viruses in the last decade is a billion times what was presumed… and Coronaviruses aren’t the same as the viruses that textbook literates.
And the antidote to bullshit is not to censor it, That only invokes the Streisand effect as people will seek out the censored speech to see what all the hubbub was about. You think the “textbook” information is incorrect, then don’t censor it, instead combat it with what you consider the correct information to be. The solution to “bad speech” is “good speech”, not censorship.
Split Facebook, YouTube?
This will NEVER happen.
The government is happy to have a monopoly over people’s minds.
A competition here would become much less controllable.
Google has already a competitor: Apple.
The good Doctor has a Computer Science PhD from Uni Stuttgart?
Wittkowski: “Well, I’m not paid by the government, so I’m entitled to actually do science.”
Well, Computer Science is an oxymoron, and here we have the same problem as with climate, except this time lives are at high risk. I think quarantine is necessary.
The same modelling virus, yet again. It is incredible how easily it infects, the symptoms include mesmerizing, eye-rolling, hand-waving.
Problem is, political immunity from such deadly viruses as Geopolitics, modelling and monetarism is rendered weak to non-existent from decades of indoctrination.
Still the irony of Youtube, a Computer Science product, cutting off a computer scientist, is rich!
The quarantine was the brain child of English Bankers and all part of Carney’s world conquering agenda (right up there with his plans for digital currency). Still for it? 😉
The good Doctor has a Computer Science PhD from Uni Stuttgart?
Also, that’s only part of his credentials. Even if it wasn’t, we have English Majors as “experts” in climate science so why not Computer Scientists as “experts” on epidemics?
The part of his credentials you deliberately overlooked (I’m being generous, as the alternative is you spoke out of ignorance of his credentials) is his Doctor of Science degree in Medical Biometry from the University of Tubingen and his work history with the Center for Disease Control and Rockefeller University (amongst others).
He certainly seems well qualified to discuss the issue (being well qualified and being right are two separate issues, don’t confuse the two), so rather than attack his Computer science degree, you’d do better addressing the substance of what he has to say.
What issue do you have with CS?
If you dislike how Facebook operates, don’t use them. If enough people drop from Facebook then they will change their way or go out of business.
There is no freedom of choice in Web services when big B2B providers refuse service to wannabe alternatives.