Another scientist who doesn’t believe in a word he says

Scientist demonstrates Pandemic lockdowns are “only for the little people”.

The Leona Helmsley moment for science has arrived. From the bigger they are, the harder they fall department comes this epic fall from grace by a deified idiot thinking with his non-science head.

From the UK Telegraph:

Exclusive: Government scientist Neil Ferguson resigns after breaking lockdown rules to meet his married lover

The scientist whose advice prompted Boris Johnson to lock down Britain resigned from his Government advisory position on Tuesday night as The Telegraph can reveal he broke social distancing rules to meet his married lover.

Professor Neil Ferguson allowed the woman to visit him at home during the lockdown while lecturing the public on the need for strict social distancing in order to reduce the spread of coronavirus. The woman lives with her husband and their children in another house.

More here: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/05/exclusive-government-scientist-neil-ferguson-resigns-breaking/

Mind you, this is the guy with the COVID-19 virus computer model that single-handedly destroyed the global economy, by initially predicting huge amounts of deaths. The fear produced a world-wide lockdown and economic devastation.

Oh, and his mistress, Antonia Staats, is a Soros-funded activist at the climate-wackadoodle organization in the UK known as Avaaz.

Josh of course, had something to say in a cartoon:

Buy Josh a pint when the pubs reopen? Go here.

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Curious George
May 6, 2020 9:30 am

He wears glasses, therefore he must be a scientist. Actually, he is an authority on interpolations from crystalline to dynamically triangulated random surfaces.

Tonyb
Editor
Reply to  Curious George
May 6, 2020 10:28 am

Lockdown? No, he said LIEDOWN!

Tonyb

Harry Passfield
Reply to  Tonyb
May 6, 2020 12:20 pm

Don’t recall he said, ‘down’. As for the rest….

Reply to  Harry Passfield
May 6, 2020 2:27 pm

I do think that ‘down’ is a relevant term when describing the level of liberty and autonomy in the western cultures lately.

Thomas
Reply to  Pop Piasa
May 6, 2020 4:38 pm

Something came up, so he had to break the lock down?

Jeff Labute
Reply to  Curious George
May 6, 2020 10:53 am

I thought he had somewhat of a 007 appearance, despite the glasses (it’s a cover)

niceguy
Reply to  Jeff Labute
May 7, 2020 7:00 pm

He has the masculine angular jaw, he’s a womanizer => next James Bond.

At least, according to my abstract model.

Spetzer86
Reply to  Curious George
May 6, 2020 1:24 pm

I was thinking that he was a scientist because he had a relatively hot, blonde mistress. Don’t all scientists get at least somewhat hot blonde mistresses?

john harmsworth
Reply to  Spetzer86
May 6, 2020 2:08 pm

Apparently the “shit for brains” people are trying to breed! Now that’s scary!

john harmsworth
Reply to  Spetzer86
May 6, 2020 2:09 pm

Usually they have to make them in their lab.

Reply to  Spetzer86
May 6, 2020 2:42 pm

You’ve been indoctrinated by Disney films like “Honey I Shrunk The Kids” IMHO. 😉
Though they do make a good Hollywood wannabe couple – is there any video?

Trebla
Reply to  Pop Piasa
May 9, 2020 5:17 am

Fred Burfle, Mark and Sparkle Farkle, Fannie Farkle suddenly spring to mind. I wonder why?

Robert of Ottawa
Reply to  Spetzer86
May 6, 2020 3:17 pm

I’m an engineer. What am I doing wrong?

SMC
Reply to  Robert of Ottawa
May 6, 2020 3:52 pm

Two engineering students were talking one day…
Student1, “Hey, where did you get the new bike?”
Student2 says, “Sally rode up to me on her bike the other day”
Student1, “Wow, Sally’s really beautiful.”
Student2, “Yeah, she is. Anyway, she rode up on her bike, threw it to the ground, took off all her clothes and threw them on the ground. She was standing naked in front of me and said, ‘Take whatever you want!””
Student1, “Good choice, the clothes wouldn’t have fit.”

RichardX
Reply to  Robert of Ottawa
May 6, 2020 11:33 pm

I don’t think you’re doing anything wrong. Remember that you’ve got to talk to each other after the main business is finished.
An engineer told me before he died …

Graham
Reply to  RichardX
May 7, 2020 6:31 am

Now we come to the tragic bit ah-humm ah-humm..there was no way of stopping it..

Gideon
Reply to  RichardX
May 9, 2020 2:07 am

That is a VERY flattering photo. She’s actually a rather frumpy hausfrau.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11565369/useless-professor-neil-ferguson-antonia-staats/

Jack Black
Reply to  Spetzer86
May 6, 2020 9:10 pm

He isn’t really a scientist, he just plays one on TeeVee !

I didn’t see him wearing a white labcoat, so he can’t really be a scientist anyway.

john harmsworth
Reply to  Curious George
May 6, 2020 2:07 pm

People are dying! Is there an authority on interpolations from crystalline to dynamically triangulated random surfaces in the house!!!??

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  john harmsworth
May 6, 2020 7:56 pm

You have to say it three times, really fast!

RockyRoad
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
May 6, 2020 11:12 pm

Covid, covid, covid!

I’m sorry-it didn’t work for me!

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  RockyRoad
May 8, 2020 5:31 pm

No no, you have to say “Is there an authority on interpolations from crystalline to dynamically triangulated random surfaces in the house” three times really fast. And typing is not saying. Just sayin’…

Jeremiah Puckett
Reply to  Curious George
May 6, 2020 2:21 pm

I’d go out of my way to rendezvous with her, too.

Reply to  Jeremiah Puckett
May 6, 2020 3:36 pm

Errrr, no. Look at her bio. You can get a latex mistress that is just as, if not more attractive, and has more brains.

Lxr
Reply to  Jeremiah Puckett
May 6, 2020 4:19 pm

Jeremiah you left out the h.

Redge
Reply to  Curious George
May 7, 2020 12:48 am

He’s also the “scientist” who told us:

“…that up to 200 million people could be killed from bird flu…”

“…a ‘reasonable worst-case scenario’ was that the disease [swine flu] would lead to 65,000 UK deaths…”

“…modelling on foot and mouth disease that suggested that animals in neighbouring farms should be culled, even if there was no evidence of infection…”

“…predicted that between 50 and 50,000 people would likely die from exposure to BSE (mad cow disease) in beef.”

Link

The guy has been off by a wide mark in every situation.

Why on earth is anybody listening to him?

Newminster
Reply to  Redge
May 7, 2020 5:20 am

Good question! In reality more British farmers committed suicide from the effects of the BSE scare on their livelihoods than the total number of people who died from the disease itself.

Jeffery P
Reply to  Curious George
May 7, 2020 7:14 am

He wears glasses and has a beard. That qualifies him as an expert on any matter the media needs a comment for.

Eric H
May 6, 2020 9:32 am

You forgot the most important part…he tested positive for the virus AND saw her within the 14 day quarantine period!!

kim
Reply to  Eric H
May 6, 2020 9:45 am

Waited 15 days.
Oh, the humanity, er, the agony.
==========

Reply to  kim
May 6, 2020 10:12 am

And who does his woman work for? According to the Sun newspaper: https://secure.avaaz.org/page/en/

Planning Engineer
Reply to  Neil Lock
May 6, 2020 1:24 pm

Google her name. Coincidently she is big anti-fossil fuel pro green.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/350org/7393860306

Jack Black
Reply to  Neil Lock
May 6, 2020 9:12 pm

Didn’t I see her in a tent somewhere in Korea, with some smarmy dude called Major Burns?

RichardX
Reply to  Jack Black
May 6, 2020 11:49 pm

I don’t think you’re doing anything wrong. Remember that you’ve got to talk to each other after the main business is finished.
An engineer told me before he died …

RichardX
Reply to  Jack Black
May 6, 2020 11:54 pm

Margaret was beautiful, strong and capable. She was a woman you could talk to. She was not a plastic bimbo.

RockyRoad
Reply to  Jack Black
May 7, 2020 3:43 am

Margaret was attracted to a wood-be surgeon who was also married! So there is that similarity, too!

Dermot carroll
Reply to  Eric H
May 6, 2020 4:20 pm

well, 14 days quarantine with her!! worth the risk?!

May 6, 2020 9:32 am

Ferguson also met with Boris Johnson several times in the middle of March, so we are told.

Alex
Reply to  Neil Lock
May 6, 2020 4:10 pm

I hope he washed his hands.

Eliza
May 6, 2020 9:33 am

Lockdowns are no contraindicated what a FXXXXup/ https://amgreatness.com/2020/05/04/the-failed-experiment-of-social-distancing/ ht Willis/ According to Fox News MIT is a about to publish similar findings with the data they have collected

Hysteria
May 6, 2020 9:34 am

I was puzzled why nearly all countries followed broadly similar approaches. I had assumed they all had their own expert virologists, and were sharing data etc.

Are we now saying everyone has been simply doing what this one guy said?

Seems unlikely….

Aidan Condie
Reply to  Hysteria
May 6, 2020 9:51 am

Actually highly likely. He is quoted ad nauseam in the USA for example.

Plus the guy has been wrong on several other occasions; bird ‘flu, mad cow ….. No accountability. He wouldn’t survive very long in the private sector.

kim
Reply to  Aidan Condie
May 6, 2020 10:10 am

Ignorance of experts,
Panic of running herds,
Truth falling down in spurts,
Four and twenty blackbirds.
=================

Bryan A
Reply to  kim
May 6, 2020 10:25 am

Three point one four Blackbirds
baked in a Pi

kim
Reply to  Bryan A
May 6, 2020 10:30 am

How now, round cowed?
===============

Tonyb
Editor
Reply to  kim
May 6, 2020 10:32 am

This is the wonderful headline from the tabloid Daily Mail

“How ‘Professor Lockdown’ fell for German lover who was married to a Battle of Britain pilot’s grandson: Neil Ferguson had secret trysts with left-wing campaigner who’s in an ‘open marriage’ with fellow academic”

I think everything is in there

Tonyb

Richard Barraclough
Reply to  Tonyb
May 9, 2020 5:22 pm

The Daily Mirror headline was something like

Dr. Lockdown takes trousers down

Robert of Ottawa
Reply to  Aidan Condie
May 6, 2020 4:43 pm

The British are fond of Draconian, over-the-top responses to medical problems. A single case of foot-and-mouth disease and all the herds are slaughtered.

Jack Black
Reply to  Robert of Ottawa
May 6, 2020 9:16 pm

Yea that’s right, and now the fiend is suffering from foot-in-mouth disease himself 😂

Megs
Reply to  Aidan Condie
May 6, 2020 5:35 pm

Aiden they’re talking about him here in Australia too. He’s been around and making massive errors for decades! His ‘modeling’ on predicted deaths has been way off in the past too. He predictions for Mad Cow deaths were so far out I don’t know how he didn’t lose his post then. But then ‘consensus’ scientists don’t lose their jobs for being wrong they receive awards. I’d say he resigned because of the scandal associated with the disclosed affair.

ANDY MANSELL
Reply to  Aidan Condie
May 6, 2020 9:22 pm

Of course he wouldn’t- none of them would! They’d actually have to take responsibility, do actual work, etc. Also, they wouldn’t be able to dodge blame with the usual, ‘mistakes made, inquiry held, lessons learnt’ rubbish. Not one of these authority figures have any experience of life in the real world.

Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  Hysteria
May 6, 2020 10:45 am

That is why Sweden has another approach.

Swedish politicians relied solely on their state virologist’s recommendations.

The Swedish parliament has considered the final decision should be spawned by the politicians, not the state virologist in the future (If I have understood it correctly).

Craig from Oz
Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
May 6, 2020 8:59 pm

While we are on the topic of Sweden, let us compare some numbers.

We shall do Sweden vs UK and Australia vs NZ. Data used shall be from worldmeters.info so you can play along and home and/or find my screaming errors.

Why those places? Well UK and GretaLand are both northern hemisphere countries of (very) roughly the same climate and with vastly different approaches. Australia is where I live, and NZ is not only (roughly) in the same part of the world, but again put in place a much harsher lockdown relative to Australia.

So rather than do the usual X/ 1M Pop stats, let us compare Tests to Cases (rounded for brevity)
Sweden 6:1
UK 7:1
Oz 102:1
NZ 113:1

Now let us do cases to deaths
Sweden 8:1
UK 7:1
Oz 71:1
NZ 71:1

and finally tests and deaths
Sweden 50:1
UK 48:1
Oz 7256:1
NZ 8001:1

So… first thing to consider is that the requirements for testing are probably very different. I suggest that given the 6:1 type ratios in the Northern parts of the world the policy was to test people who reported in sick, while South of the magic line around the middle of the planet there was a lot more ‘suspected’ testing – possibly because the Government needed to be seen to be doing something.

I know a workmate here in Oz was required to go in for testing because his partner was trying to get a new script for her asthma puffer.

– Why are you short of breath?
– Cause I have asthma
– Are you SURE?? Where have you been lately?
– Ummm… regional Victoria last week…
– You crossed a STATE BORDER!!! TO THE TEST LABS WITH YOU!!!

So 14 days hard isolation for him and his lady only to confirm at the end that yes, she did suffer from asthma.

So I suggest that the 100:1 type ratios in Australia and NZ are more to do with massive amounts of people sitting around with test kits and nothing to do. Quick! Test everyone! In comparison I suggest in UK and Sweden they may have been testing only people with Wuhan like symptoms. Open to correction.

But, UK and Sweden are very similar and Aust and NZ are very similar.

Then we get cases/deaths and tests/death. Again UK/Sweden are very similar, as are Aust/NZ.

I would suggest that climate and Vit D may explain why the Wuhan seems to be deadlier by some magnitude, but topic for different discussion.

The observation I would like to make is that Aust/NZ and UK/Sweden are both so similar in these ratios that we can start making some apples to apples comparison. The testing methods appear to be the same and the survival rate for those unfortunate to being a ‘case’ are also about the same. Once you get sick you have about the same chance of surviving in the UK as you do in Sweden.

So then we start comparing Deaths per Million.
UK 443
Sweden 291

Australia and NZ both 4

So despite everything else appearing to be the same, people in the UK are dying at a significantly greater rate, and people in the Trans Tasman are dying at the same. (minor grammatical flaw in that sentence I think, but you get my point).

So, conclusions? UK lockdown did not positively affect the deaths and may actually have made it worse.

NZ’s Level 4 lockdown, coupled with the fact NZ is in real terms already massively isolated, did not out perform the more casual Australian responses.

So, In My Opinion; Closing borders? yeah, pretty sensible. Locking people in their homes? Pointless and possibly damaging.

RockyRoad
Reply to  Craig from Oz
May 6, 2020 11:17 pm

…and the divorce rate in lockdown countries was probably higher than the death rate, but my anecdotal experience probably won’t apply to everybody!

RichardX
Reply to  Craig from Oz
May 6, 2020 11:43 pm

That’s all well and good, but it relies on countries reporting things in the same way. They don’t.

climanrecon
Reply to  Hysteria
May 6, 2020 11:33 am

But, his estimate of 500,000 UK deaths is probably about right, it was likely just an estimated death rate (1%) times the size of the population (around 60 million). There have “only” been around 30,000 UK deaths so far, probably because only around 1% of the population has had the virus, so far.

Lockdowns come with estimates for compliance, which I believe was only something like 75%, maybe the good prof just decided to put himself in the 25% non-compliant group.

gbaikie
Reply to  climanrecon
May 6, 2020 2:03 pm

“But, his estimate of 500,000 UK deaths is probably about right, it was likely just an estimated death rate (1%) times the size of the population (around 60 million). There have “only” been around 30,000 UK deaths so far, probably because only around 1% of the population has had the virus, so far.”

There is the problem of 500,000 estimate, it make you think only 1% of population has been infected.
It also makes you think UK can’t get out of lockdown, because more than 1% will be infected.
If it was said that about 1% of population age 60 years or older or say at most 20% total pop had about 1% of dying, then it would be closer to the truth.
20% of 66 million is 13.2 million people at risk. 13.2 times 1% is 132,000 people who could die without the lockdown. But there is going to effective lockdown when 50,000 people die, because people will respond due to fear. So, you going to have lockdown whether you want it or not, but by government ordering a lockdown well before the 50,000 death, you are having the government maintaining public security, rather than causing public panic and public demanding the government “do a lockdown” and/or people just stay home {and any orders to leave their homes will be disregarded]. So there is certainty you will get a lockdown, the only question is what kind lockdown is it going to be. So there no question that there will be “social distancing” of some type and way the 500,000 UK deaths could be vaguely correct, is you including causalities from some kind civil war, or perhaps that virus is still problem years from now, or other wild assumptions.
But if said most deaths will occur in the 60+ age group and that number could as high as 132,000 people {though if extremely badly governed could be even higher} then one might be able to govern the crisis better.
But probably a more important thing to focus on instead of deaths, is the number who get seriously ill but don’t die {but it’s possible/likely they could have long health consequence from being seriously ill]
And that is why UK should have had lockdown a lot sooner than they did and why do a lockdown.
Let’s first look at 60 or older or 20% of population of 13.2 million people. 132,000 die and more than 500,000 survive but could got seriously ill. The rest of population might total an addition 1 million or possible much more. And having that occur within a month time period, rather than a year period at least a very daunting problem or an impossible situation. But since public doesn’t need a government to react, it’s unlikely it could get this bad.
But it would been a more accurate model.
Anyhow more than 90% of deaths were from 60+ age group or 30,000 death about 27,000 of 132,000,
and without any of 132,000 at present catching virus {they already have} the 27,000 may climb to 40,000. Or no current lockdown action is going to prevent it- improvement in treatment could prevent it. And since hospital are less crowded, that fact alone might save some.
But that give you some clue about decisions about the present lockdown.
One thing, is you could begin to send the kids to school. It seems they were always at very low risk, and kids seem to not be spreader of virus {unlike other flus] but social distancing with the kids is good idea- I would not test their immunity to potential harm {mainly getting seriously ill] so would put them in crowded school buses or crowded classes, and have them wear masks- and wash their hands. And classes outside are much better than inside. Encouraging more outdoor sports could be a good idea- though wearing masks would be problem, so not team sports. Or sports that kids don’t need to wear masks. Or change the rules of team sports.

Waza
Reply to  gbaikie
May 6, 2020 4:05 pm

1. Lockdowns are a disease prevention measure.
2. There are other diseases and other corresponding prevention.
3. We must not only assess the success of lockdown vs disease (covid) but the success of lockdown vs other preventions.
4. Use common Cost EFfective Analysis CEA to determine if government spent money wisely.

Robert of Ottawa
Reply to  Waza
May 6, 2020 5:52 pm

The British are fond of Draconian, over-the-top responses to medical problems. A single case of foot-and-mouth disease and all the herds are slaughtered.

gbaikie
Reply to  Waza
May 6, 2020 8:31 pm

“1. Lockdowns are a disease prevention measure.”

Lockdown is also forced vacation.
You can’t stop any disease, but you could end the vacation.

I would say this chinese virus, appears to spread slowly, but it actually spread really fast.
Vacation is over, get back to work.

Now, question why does India have 1 death per million and UK has 443 deaths per million?

I give couple answers, India average yearly temperature is 24 C and it has Malaria.
{and India doesn’t trust China}
Another question, why does Venezuela have 0.4 deaths per million and Brazil has
40 deaths per million.
Both are warm and Venezuela trusts China.
[And Venezuela hospitals don’t have power and running water and has 10 million percent inflation].

Waza
Reply to  gbaikie
May 6, 2020 4:12 pm

I heard a question ask on Melbourne radio yesterday.
In USA
68,000 deaths
30 million job losses.
If 10% of the 30 million or 3 million people are suffering badly, how do we compare the 3 million suffering to the 68,000 death?

Jack Black
Reply to  gbaikie
May 6, 2020 9:25 pm

Part of the ploy of oafish boors like Ferguson is to continue to shift the goalposts, and quoting multiple different numbers, as you’ve described above. Any normal person reading these in some ordinary “dead tree” press, or hearing some newscaster read that out on TeeVee, will have their brain numbed and be entirely discombobulated by the complexity. They won’t remember any of that, and there’s no need to even try, because by the next day the numbers will be all changed around again. Comparing the figures are entire meaningless, because the methods of calculation, collation and summation vary wildly from country to country anyway.

Gideon
Reply to  climanrecon
May 9, 2020 2:13 am

Oxford University estimated that the UK infection rate was 25% in mid March. It is probably 30-40% by now.

Robert W. Turner
Reply to  Hysteria
May 6, 2020 12:04 pm

Sometimes coincidences happen, but most of the time there is more to them. Both UK and USA government “experts” initially gave advice to their bosses that the virus was no big deal. Then they didn’t recommend mass testing. Then in the US at least they botched the tests they did administer and some were contaminated. Then they that said that in order to save us all they needed the economy to shutdown and for the healthy to quarantine. Then they use junk science to prevent generic and proven Hydroxychloroquine from being used as an effective treatment and are now pushing rushed approval for an expensive patented drug that shows little promise. Now it’s rushed approval for a vaccine while advocating for more lockdowns and social distancing.

This isn’t a pandemic, it’s a plandemic. Fauci and his counterparts allowed the virus to spread as much within their nations before reacting, and then when they reacted it was akin to cutting off your foot because you have a bunion. If it wasn’t for Trump forcing the CDC to allow private labs to create and administer tests, we would hardly have any tests done and the case fatality rate would be much higher than the already skewed numbers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMcDH80xiVw

Well worth the watch.

F4F111Col
Reply to  Robert W. Turner
May 6, 2020 12:49 pm

Youtube has censored it.

ParmaJohn
Reply to  F4F111Col
May 6, 2020 1:28 pm

Oh, those Community Guidelines.

I’d hate to be a member of that community. (Groucho Marx)

Spetzer86
Reply to  F4F111Col
May 6, 2020 1:43 pm

You’ve got to wonder how deep the rabbit hole goes. So many funny things going on that don’t seem to make sense.

ghl
Reply to  Spetzer86
May 6, 2020 3:41 pm

Al Gore and David Blood formed Generation Investment Management in 2004.
GenerationIM web site from March 28 2009
http://web.archive.org/web/20090328131153/http://www.generationim.com/sustainability/challenges/pandemics.html
More:-
http://web.archive.org/web/20091123011347/http://www.generationim.com/media/pdf-generation-thematic-research-v13.pdf

Browse the above pages, follow some links for the full effect. Note the references to Global Warming,water and pandemics.
Also remember who planned our Murray Darling water trading regime, that the farmers are so unhappy with, under a merchant banker as Minister for the Environment. Well it was not designed to keep the farmers happy. Markets are created for people to make money.
Check out who planned our water market. Some familiar faces.
https://wentworthgroup.org/members/

And so to the Corona Virus.
Secret models, hidden code. Sound familiar?
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/04/23/delingpole-why-must-covid-19-decision-makers-be-clouded-in-secrecy/

If you have rats in your walls you do not have to watch them to know what they are doing.Doing rattythings, living ratty lives. It is what they know, what else would they do? For politicians and merchant bankers it’a all about your money. It is what they do. I don’t know how Fat Albert and his henchmen are making money from a pandemic, but it is what they do. Goverments that should be doing due diligence and running ‘one rule for all’ societies are co-opted to support one gravy train after another.
The western world is lacking investigative journalists, there are so many obvious avenues of enquiry.

Jack Black
Reply to  F4F111Col
May 6, 2020 9:31 pm

All those “removed by YouTube” ….
Do go to bitchute.com and do search for Fauci or Plandemic or what have you.

terry maggio
Reply to  Robert W. Turner
May 6, 2020 1:04 pm

Removed by You tube.

Jack Black
Reply to  terry maggio
May 6, 2020 9:39 pm

“Removed by YouTube” … Google / Alphabet inc. globalist shills, or hokum “copyright claims”, but they’re all reposted on myriad other independent websites that globalist cranks don’t control ….. Yet. But it’s like wack-a-mole and the cranky fools of disinfo inc. just don’t get it, do they?

Try bitchute.com do search for Fauci – Neil Ferguson – pandemic – try your own criteria ?

Mirco Romanato
Reply to  Hysteria
May 6, 2020 12:07 pm

Yes.
It is a “monkey sees, monkey does” scenario.

john harmsworth
Reply to  Mirco Romanato
May 6, 2020 2:14 pm

Monkey see, monkey business.
This is too easy!

Jack Black
Reply to  Hysteria
May 6, 2020 8:45 pm

They are all in this up to their scrawney vested interest necks…..

Robert Redfield “Associated People” …
Bill Gates, Anthony Fauci, Deborah Birx, Tedros Adhanom, Neil Ferguson.
https://tameside.directory/people/robert-r-redfield/

They’re all “at it” in one way or another, and constantly conferring, and cooking up new prevarications no doubt?

Jim
May 6, 2020 9:35 am

This is what happens when your dick does your thinking

Vuk
Reply to  Jim
May 6, 2020 9:53 am

He was a good Samaritan, poor woman run away from her abusive husband, she needed to be comforted; word is, she liked it, not a lot, so went back home. 🙂

Ron Long
Reply to  Vuk
May 6, 2020 10:49 am

Maybe, Vuk, but also maybe, since she is a “climate wackadoodle” he was too hot for her? and she went home to something cooler? Inquiring minds want to know?

Alan Reed
Reply to  Vuk
May 6, 2020 11:17 am

She was just looking for a shoulder to cry on and he gave her one.

Another Ian
Reply to  Alan Reed
May 6, 2020 1:47 pm

Both?

john harmsworth
Reply to  Alan Reed
May 6, 2020 2:13 pm

That’s not my shoulder! Lol.

ghl
Reply to  Vuk
May 6, 2020 3:49 pm

She’d rather admit to an open marriage than to being a link to the green blob.

JohnM
Reply to  Jim
May 6, 2020 9:58 am

Boris Johnson.
Always sh****g others wives, multiple children out of wedlock (including the recent one).
Paid no attention to “The lockdown to save the NHS”, consequently caught the virus and ended-up in NHS critical care.
Went to the Cheltenham event, with many hundreds of others, and loads got sick as a result.

But let’s go-on about someone else…..

Still, he hasn’t made any comments about grabbing womens p***ies (yet)

sycomputing
Reply to  JohnM
May 6, 2020 10:24 am

Still, he hasn’t made any comments about grabbing womens p***ies (yet)

But isn’t that just what one would EXPECT from a dirty filthy rotten nasty American Republican pig like Trump, or from one of those “Conservative Party” types in the UK?

But how do we explain such a thing coming from one of the beautiful people like Ferguson? I mean, if we’re going to compare apples to oranges when we’re talking hypocrisy anyway. After all, progressives are surely the best of the best of humanity, don’t you agree?

lb
Reply to  sycomputing
May 6, 2020 11:27 am

sy,
“But how do we explain such a thing coming from one of the beautiful people like Ferguson?”

I don’t know about him being beautiful.

But he’s en EXPERT! We believe in them, no we pray to them. This story must be fake. An expert like that can’t do wrong.

/sarc

Bill Zipperer
Reply to  sycomputing
May 6, 2020 1:53 pm

syc:
IIRC Trump was a registered Democrat when he made the “grabbing…” comment,
so does that absolve him at all? /sarc

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  sycomputing
May 6, 2020 2:18 pm

Paraphrasing: sycomputing : May 6, 2020 at 10:24 am

just what one would EXPECT from a dirty filthy rotten nasty American Republican pig like Trump,

Now there are two (2) types of people who make comments similar to the above ….. but neither will testify to actually what prompted them to voice such a derogatory characterizing of another person.

If the person making the remark is a man that is criticizing another man, then jealousy is his reason because he is NOT attractive to beautiful women (beautiful women don’t find anything about him attractive).

If the person making the remark is a female that is criticizing a man, then hatred and anger is her reason because she knows for a fact that her dreams of a sexual relationship with the man in question is an impossibility. ….. “Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned”. 😊

sycomputing
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
May 6, 2020 3:56 pm

Now there are two (2) types of people who make comments similar to the above . . .

Now you just lookie here ‘ole son – if’n you’n is a sayin’ what I’m a thinkin’ you’n is a thinkin’ you’re a sayin’, then you’n ain’t neither a thinkin’ nor a sayin’ it right correctly.

TO WIT:

There’s a 3rd type of people makin’ a comment similar to the above, and that’d be one who’s a makin’ an ironic comment that ever’body [sic] else’n is a knowin’ ain’t all the way the true notion of the man’s thinkin’ who’s a makin’ the comment he’s a makin’ cept’n for you!

But that’s alright, I fergive you.

So you just remember what I told you now several years ago Samuel C. Cogar, how you remind me of my Grandpappy, and how I miss ‘im greatly, and if’n you continue along this line of talkin’, to remind me of him more, I’m a gonna drive over there boat in tow, drag you out by the back a yer collar, and you and me’s a gonna go out and do some fishin’ with a bottle of Wild Turkey 101, hear?

We’ll have ourselves a “To Wit” (or maybe better said: a “T’WIT) ‘ole time ole son!!

Megs
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
May 6, 2020 6:02 pm

Samuel they removed the ‘Reply’ option from sycomputing’s comment below.

I would have liked to have advised him/her to put the Disney character Foghorn Leghorn back in his cage. The OTT comment fell flat, reduced to kindergarten tactics. These people are incapable of intelligent conversation.

sycomputing
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
May 6, 2020 8:01 pm

Hi Megs:

Samuel they removed the ‘Reply’ option from sycomputing’s comment below.

Well, technically speaking, they (in the ethereal sense of “They”) didn’t remove “the ‘Reply’ option,” rather, that’s just how WordPress generally works. Note you can do some tricky funky stuff with the “wp_list_comments” function in the “comments.php” file, but you first need to know some php and anyway that’s neither here nor there for our discussion (did you see what I did there? I made myself look really farging smart by name dropping the php programming language and certain functions within it, about which I haven’t a clue)

What we can’t have in these forums is an infinite number of div offsets to the right each time someone replies to a reply of the first reply ad infinitum to ad nauseum, else things would become difficult to read and that simply won’t do. Peeps wouldn’t like it. So it’s restricted to . . . two replies to the first reply I think . . . don’t quote me on that.

Nevertheless, I’m happy to let you know that that regardless of the ‘Reply’ option not being there under my reply, I’m now replying that I understood your reply just as though the ‘Reply’ option were actually there when you replied! So all is well.

I would have liked to have advised him/her to . . .

I want you to know that I’m always most appreciative of and for good advice, so thank you, you’ve succeeded in your quest! I’m sorry that my reply wasn’t up to snuff fer . . . err, “for” you. I think you’re a dear heart for coming to Sam’s aid like you did – that’s most terrific and I applaud you for it.

But Sam and I, well, we have a “history” of sorts. He won’t remember because he’s getting up there in years (which is why he reminds me of my grandpappy):

https://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2018/02/21/the-coming-global-forest-regrowth/#comment-2750577

But just for a little context on the “Fogern Legern” motif and why I find it and Sam endearing, I invite you to review the following. Enjoy!

https://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2014/08/06/wuwt-filling-in-knowledge-holes-since-2006/#comment-1708822

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/12/06/france-may-be-ahead-of-the-curve-when-it-comes-to-global-warming-policy-backlash/#comment-2551956

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/10/22/hole-in-the-ozone-layer-shrinks-to-smallest-size-on-record/#comment-2830065

Now, there’s no need to apologize Megs . . . really . . . I wouldn’t, nay couldn’t expect you to understand my relationship with Sam given MY inability to engage in intelligent conversation!

Megs
Reply to  sycomputing
May 6, 2020 9:36 pm

I do have to say Sy that am truly impressed with your linguistic acrobatics! Point taken that some things are presented in a particular context. But for those not privy to that context the comment loses relevance. Thanks for extrapolating.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
May 6, 2020 8:08 pm

“Samuel they removed the ‘Reply’ option from sycomputing’s comment below.”

They didn’t remove it. The reply indent only goes so far.

sycomputing
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
May 6, 2020 10:02 pm

Megs:

I do have to say Sy that am truly impressed with your linguistic acrobatics!

Well you’re the only one, and just being kind to say so I’m sure, but one is more than none, so many thanks!

And we’re agreed on your further points that: 1) context is everything and 2) my comments embody nothing relevant.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
May 7, 2020 4:42 am

Megs – May 6, 2020 at 6:02 pm

Samuel ………………………sycomputing’s comment below.

I would have liked to have advised him/her ……..

Megs, advising sycomputing of most anything is nothing less than “an act of futility” on the part of the advisor.

sycomputing really don’t like me at all, simply because I “jump his/her case” most every time he/she posts untruths, misinformation and/or junk science commentary. He/she really doesn’t like me “jerking his/her chain”.

But what really irks sycomputing the most is that he knows that I am older, more intelligent, more experienced and better educated in the actual factual sciences of the natural world than he/she can ever hope to be ……. without a change in his/her personality.

Megs
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
May 7, 2020 6:11 am

Samuel, we can only be who we are and endeavor to be authentic. People going in on the attack do themselves no favour. Hopefully with wisdom and passing time comes measured responses.

There is much humor, wit and intellect to be found on this site (mostly). I have learned much.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
May 7, 2020 7:24 am

I have learned much.

Megs, that was great for my old eyes to be reading.

I earned my teaching Degree in/of the Biological & Physical Sciences many years ago (1963) and I utterly detest the “junk science” that the public schools have been teaching for the past 30 years.

So, iffen you read where I am correcting someone on their science beliefs …… you can “bet your biffy” that my commentary is based in/on scientific facts and evidence ……. and/or … on common sense thinking, logical reasoning and intelligent deductions.

Here you go, Megs, learn more about …. “why you are what you are” ….. by reading this commentary that is titled …. A View of How the Human Mind Works, which I posted on April 15, 2019 at 4:27 am at this url link: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/04/14/moonbat-being-moonbat/#comment-2680500

Megs
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
May 9, 2020 6:49 pm

Samuel I read and enjoyed the link ‘A view of How the Human Mind Works’. I’d like to touch on some particular areas of interest. But first I’d like to raise the issue of how the written word is perceived. You have a unique way of putting vernacular into your writing, I enjoy it, it makes me smile. I really think that Sy enjoys it too, but Sy has a strong mischievous streak and enjoys playing with the minds of intellectual people, or people perceived as fools. It may be that Sy is simply an intellectual troll. I may be way off base here of course but I haven’t seen enough of Sy’s comments to get any feel for where he/she is coming from.

Getting back to how the written word is perceived in relation to the post that you sent me. You set a challenge to others on the post and I noted that one particular participant seemed happy to be involved and when he/she posted their results you responded with aforementioned vernacular. What I don’t think you realised is that they mistakenly read the vernacular as being condescending. That was what lead to the somewhat offensive defense.

In regard to your long comment, I enjoyed your analogy of the human brain to a computer. It made so much sense but at the same time it made me smile. My youngest son labeled me a ‘techtard’ some years ago and I have to say it’s true. I confuse computers! That’s my story anyway. I have never been on any social media platform and this is the first and only site that I have made comments on and only in recent months. One of the Bob’s on this site taught me how to cut and paste so that I could better contribute to conversations by adding links. Thank you Bob.

Getting back to the ‘long comment’. I enjoyed your explanation of the dream process and how in a dreamstate the image you perceive is as though you were awake. I don’t know if it’s a common thing and on the whole I love to dream, but if I don’t like the way a dream is going I can choose to end it. The dream that is.

Language is another thing I found interesting and the way we are conditioned to think and speak in the ‘Mother tongue’ we grew up with. Even when we learn another language, in deep thought we revert to our 1st language. I have observed that if I’ve endeavored to catch the attention of someone who has a different 1st language to me and they don’t immediately respond that it’s likely they were deep in the thought of their own language.

Religion is ingrained in those who grew up with it, it is an integral part of their lives and some cannot understand how a person could not believe. It becomes a part of who you are and like language it is simply something that you know.

This is what brings me back to the CAGW issues. I saw a recent interview with Michael Moore and even though he has come to understand that renewables will not only fail to save our planet, but they are causing significant ecological damage. Given that he has only had conversations with ‘consensus scientists’ he is yet to learn that though we could do things a little differently, the planet is not in the imminent danger that he has been led to believe. He does not know that CO2 is ‘not’ a demon created by capitalists who have no regard to the destructive path they have sent the planet on. He still talks about the urgent need to ‘do’ something before it’s too late.

I sincerely hope that as he has opened his mind to the possibility that renewables were a scam, that he takes the time to speak to ‘real’ scientists, not those who work within the buddies system looking to appease politicians and journalists. Maybe someone can open his mind further toward reality.

sycomputing
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
May 7, 2020 7:33 am

Psst Megs!

sycomputing really don’t like me at all . . .

Don’t listen to him! I think Sam’s the greatest! It’s not so much about Foghorn Leghorn, but rather, Yosemite Sam, if you recall that classic character.

But don’t tell him I said so. I don’t want him to get the wrong idea.

Vuk
Reply to  JohnM
May 6, 2020 11:15 am

BoJo was meant to be a pm of and for good times, but sadly for him and the country those are somewhere far beyond the horizon.

Vuk
Reply to  Vuk
May 6, 2020 2:36 pm

It looks that the UK’s most respected and BoJo’s paper the Daily Telegraph is moving away from its unwavering government support with more and more strongly critical articles.
“We are following the science” doesn’t wash any longer.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk

Megs
Reply to  Vuk
May 6, 2020 6:16 pm

Vuk in reality they are ‘following the models’ so of course it shouldn’t wash anymore! Given that the models around this current and many previous pandemics have been so wrong surely they have to question the climate models too.

Jack Black
Reply to  Vuk
May 6, 2020 9:04 pm

All the traditional “dead tree” press are kaka-ing their pants these days, because they never did get the hang of this here internet thang, where the REAL News is to be seen in the Public Comments and links to censored & deleted stories at archive.org, bitstream, reddit, personal blogs (like WUWT) and similar. You know places where real experts are actually authoring real stories with actual verifiable facts with references! Vested interest hacks taking payola from billionaire “philanthropists” like Gates, Soros, et al just aren’t believed by most readers these days. Just see the public comments under any stories published at the “Daily Tripe” or “Grauniad” and you’ll see they are mostly panning.

Robert W. Turner
Reply to  JohnM
May 6, 2020 12:07 pm

Still confused as to what a joke is eh? No surprise, leftards lost their sense of humor a long time ago. It would be interesting to hear all the things you’ve said in private, I’m sure it would all be very classy.

Greytide
Reply to  Jim
May 6, 2020 11:31 am

No, no, his name is Neil……….

kim
May 6, 2020 9:39 am

Heh,
‘open science’
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Earthling2
May 6, 2020 9:40 am

It’s amazing the hypocrisy from some of these people, and this one in particular, having his married mistress visiting him secretly, while her own children and husband stayed home while her secret lover made recommendations to Parliament to shelter in place and shut down the economy. This is a monumental breach of trust by the authorities that make these policies up for the rest of us. What an a-hole. Why do people listen to these types of people, especially after something like that. Hopefully this idiot no longer has any influence over public policy in the UK. Now he is also probably responsible for breaking up a family and causing a divorce due too his own selfishness.

Or the idiot mayor of Chicago who had her hair done, ignoring her own directive, because she said she is the public face of the state and has to look good. Or Canadian PM Trudeau who did so as well, breaking a temporary order not to cross provincial borders into Quebec, so as he could travel from Ontario to Quebec to be with his family at his lake front summer residence. But other folk who were caught doing so, faced hefty fines and/or jail time. It becomes hard not become jaded by this lack of trust from public leaders and policy makers. No wonder people are getting real mad.

kim
Reply to  Earthling2
May 6, 2020 9:49 am

Supposedly ‘openly married.’
How now, row, pow.
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Bryan A
Reply to  kim
May 6, 2020 10:27 am

Certainly not Closet Married

Gary
Reply to  Earthling2
May 6, 2020 11:03 am

“It’s amazing the hypocrisy from some of these people..”

Not really. They’re congenital liars — to others when it suits them, but mostly to themselves.

Reply to  Earthling2
May 6, 2020 12:07 pm

“Why do people listen to these types of people, especially after something like that. Hopefully this idiot no longer has any influence over public policy in the UK. “

Well, the married Prime Minister is shacked up in 10 Downing St with his girlfriend, but still seems to be influencing public policy in the UK.

Taphonomic
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 6, 2020 1:26 pm

Boris is divorced.

Reply to  Taphonomic
May 6, 2020 1:30 pm

Since when?

JohnM
Reply to  Taphonomic
May 7, 2020 2:40 am

Not yet. Soon.

Earthling2
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 6, 2020 1:30 pm

Wrong again Nick…you must be an imposter.

“The Prime Minister and Marina Wheeler, who separated in 2018, were given the go-ahead to officially end their marriage of more than 25 years on February 18.”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8060001/Boris-Johnson-finally-settled-divorce-11-days-ago-4million-agreement.html

Reply to  Earthling2
May 6, 2020 1:44 pm

From your link
“During the short hearing, she gave Ms Wheeler permission to apply for a decree absolute, which would bring the marriage to an end.”
Doesn’t seem to have happened yet.

Earthling2
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 6, 2020 1:53 pm

Now you trying to split hairs…read this one.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11557870/boris-johnson-formally-divorced/

Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 6, 2020 2:14 pm

I see that during those 25 years, he fathered six children – four with Ms Wheeler, one with Ms Helen MacIntyre, and one with Ms Symonds. But, well, I guess it is necessary that Dr Ferguson’s maths, no matter how sound, should not be allowed to influence government policy, because of his errant ways.

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 6, 2020 5:45 pm

**no matter how sound**
Sound? Really?

LdB
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 6, 2020 6:20 pm

I am surprised you didn’t cover it in your article Anthony the professor has form which a few on social media have not missed on
https://twitter.com/JoshSchoen/status/1257756595859140608

You would hope that his career is over now and he probably needs to move over to Climate Science.

sycomputing
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 6, 2020 9:38 pm

LiB, it’s the return of LdB!

I thought you left for good there budrow?

LdB
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 6, 2020 11:52 pm

Only dropping in occassionally until the blog gets back onto climate change, I have limits to how much junk I want to wade thru.

sycomputing
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 7, 2020 7:38 am

Only dropping in occassionally until the blog gets back onto climate change

Ah, still contradicting yourself then?

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/05/02/pseudo-science-behind-the-assault-on-hydroxychloroquine/#comment-2983974

I’m just ribbin’ ya a little bit there budrow!

M Courtney
Reply to  Earthling2
May 6, 2020 2:24 pm

But Boris shacked up with her (and probably knocked her up) while still married to another woman.
He is a serial adulterer. He cannot be trusted by those closest to him.
The rest of us would be very foolish to trust a word that fool says.
Not only is he dishonest, he’s too arrogant to use any common sense. He shook hands with people in a Covid hospital!

For sure, he’s very clever. He understands Latin (but sadly not statistics).

Yet he has no common sense and no integrity.

JohnM
Reply to  M Courtney
May 7, 2020 2:41 am

Never forgetting the two pregnancy terminations….

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 6, 2020 5:43 pm

Nick, Boris took the advice of the ‘sexpert”.

Reginald Vernon Reynolds
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 6, 2020 6:55 pm

People aren’t pissed at Ferguson for having an affair they are upset because the cretin told them to stay home and not visit friends or family then allowed (encouraged?) his mistress to break the rules. On top of that he came down with the corona virus and subsequently isolated for 12 days rather than the recommended 14. His lame excuse was that he thought he was “immune”. What about infecting his mistress who could then go on to infect her husband and children. I still would like to know how she crossed London – underground, train, taxi, bus or a combination. If she went by car was it electric? That latter is important because she is a radical environmentalist who gets paid by a Soros-financed organization to make public protests.

Darcy from Calgary
May 6, 2020 9:42 am

The report I saw said that he also had been diagnosed with Covid 19 when he saw her. Not only a hypocrite but also a huge a$$hole who should be charged.

Tonyb
Editor
Reply to  Darcy from Calgary
May 6, 2020 10:45 am

Is everyone aware that ferguson has been funded by the Gates foundation to write on climate topics?

His last one was about how yellow fever would be affected by climate change and the gates foundations was one of the largest sponsors

Tonyb

n.n
May 6, 2020 9:46 am

Friendship with “benefits”, polygamy without responsibility, intelligence without borders

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  n.n
May 6, 2020 2:18 pm

Advice without responsibility, authority without accountability, actions without consequences.
The guy is living a deluded life.

Vuk
May 6, 2020 9:48 am

It looks as the Swedish Covid-19 method is not doing too well, currently above USA (21/100k), way up above Germany, and fast catching up with Holland.
http://www.vukcevic.co.uk/EuropeCV.htm

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Vuk
May 6, 2020 10:57 am

Vuk,

You seem to believe that higher infection rate in Sweden’s no-lockdown was unexpected?
This was EXACTLY to be expected…. by definition… what they were hoping to accomplish.

Without a vaccine, and given a widely dispersed respiratory transmission virus, and an infection with most healthy people having a long asymptomatic period, AND that many of those infections are ultimately low- to no-symptoms, containment was never to be expected.

We’re all going to get SARS-CoV-2 immunity … one way or another.

Vuk
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
May 6, 2020 11:56 am

High infection low death rate is desirable. It is not infection but the death rate that should be of concern, since Swedish life expectancy of males 82 (USA 76) and females 85 (USA 81) years; Sweden has a lot of old people to get rid off !

Robert W. Turner
Reply to  Vuk
May 6, 2020 12:22 pm

Sweden has a very low test rate. Infection rate number are meaningless until you have tested a statistically significant number of the population.

JohnM
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
May 7, 2020 2:47 am

Or not. The gained immunity from infection may well be short-term. And since the virus seems to be rapidly mutating, the immunity gained from one infection may well not be relevant to any others. And it won’t help the elderly, since their immune systems seem to have “amnesia” with respect to new infections..

Michael Jankowski
Reply to  Vuk
May 6, 2020 11:22 am

I think the Swedish method is doing very well considering their almost total lack of a lockdown. How is it that they are still doing better than a number of UK/EU members and only slightly worse than the US? “Reported cases” seems to vary based on location and testing. Deaths may be a better metric, but that has other factors involved as well.

Germany is an outlier for whatever reason.

Vuk
Reply to  Michael Jankowski
May 6, 2020 12:43 pm

Germany is not an outlier, neighbouring Denmark and Austria are doing just as well, and Portugal is there too. What I do not understand is why the east Europe is doing so well. Greece, Czechia, Slovenia, Finland and three Baltic states all have good medical and technical means of tracking deaths and are still having death rate less than 5/100k, I don’t know if it it is the measures they took or different version of the virus is there. In my native Monte Negro (pop. 600k) they test everyone who gets either of the three major symptoms (high temps, difficult breading or muscular pain), there are just few hundred positive and only 6 dead, i.e. 1/100k, which is line with other countries in the region.
I know that in MN anyone found breaking actual curfew was arrested and fined and a large number sent to isolation in old disused army barracks for a week ‘holiday’.

Pumpsump
Reply to  Vuk
May 6, 2020 2:21 pm

Infection & death rates are not just a function of how well respective countries governments handle the situation they face, it is also dependent upon how many infected people (and the easily overlooked goods and cargo too – rarely, if ever mentioned) entered each country and how many other people they came in contact with.

Its unlikely that these figures will ever be discovered for anyone. Comparisons by media, governments, NGO’s etc probably wont/can’t factor this in, for their own respective reasons, justifiable or not.

I just hope after the media/talking head sh!tstorm blows over, some real science is done in understanding how everything panned out and how best to nip it off early next time around so governments don’t lock down society again, with all the damage that it is currently doing.

Roger Knights
Reply to  Michael Jankowski
May 6, 2020 12:55 pm

“Germany is an outlier for whatever reason.”

What I’ve read is that it doesn’t count deaths as due to Covid-19 unless the victim was tested for it and/or unless Covid-19 could be proved to be the main cause, not just a contributing cause.

Reply to  Michael Jankowski
May 6, 2020 1:19 pm

” the Swedish method is doing very well considering their almost total lack of a lockdown”
Sweden has restrictions. It forbids gatherings of more than 50 people. That rules out sporting events, theater. It restricts bars to table service only, etc.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 6, 2020 8:12 pm

Did they make idiotic restrictions like no fishing, no car washes, etc, like Washington State’s Democrat governor did?

Thomho
Reply to  Michael Jankowski
May 6, 2020 11:29 pm

Michael Jankowski
“The Swedish method is doing very well ”
So 274 deaths per million compared with Australia and New Zealand both with 4 deaths per million and similar population median ages is “doing well”
Really?

Trebla
Reply to  Michael Jankowski
May 9, 2020 5:52 am

Germany is an outlier because it is headed by a person with an actual brain. Sweden’s approach (you can die now or later, what’s the difference?) is great except for one thing. By delaying the dying part, you increase the time for discovery of a treatment. Being dead makes taking advantage of said treatment a little problematic.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Vuk
May 6, 2020 11:44 am

Still, it looks like they are just where they wanted to be AND they didn’t fook their economy getting there.

Paramenter
Reply to  Vuk
May 6, 2020 12:13 pm

So where is ‘near exponential’ growth in cases and subsequently hospitalizations and deaths in Sweden predicted by models if no strict lockdowns are implemented?

Vuk
Reply to  Paramenter
May 6, 2020 12:51 pm

Don’t ask me mate, ask the ‘houte Fergus’ who’s done the maths !

Paramenter
Reply to  Vuk
May 6, 2020 1:09 pm

Understood – that was a rhetorical question anyway. Looks like prof. Ferguson set up his private lockdown rules. There was once upon a time a war for a woman – Trojan – so maybe he assumed this woman is worth another war.

Petit_Barde
Reply to  Vuk
May 6, 2020 1:22 pm

Sadly, Sweden failed to correctly isolate its nursing homes and healthcare facilities.
Tbis has nothing to do with the adopted strategy with respect to lockdown.

Sweden cases/deaths ratio is in the same ballpark as other countries which faced the same problem with their ederly.

The Swedish healthcare system never got overhelmed.

I just have a question for the lockdown advocates :
– and now what are you going to do ? Wait (at least 3 years) while continuing to live in your caves while waiting for a miracle vaccine (which never happened with respect to a coronavirus) ?

Any chess player knows that lockdown is nothing but a dead end.

Petit_Barde
Reply to  Petit_Barde
May 6, 2020 1:52 pm

Alex
May 6, 2020 9:53 am

Yes.
She is worth a world.
Congrats, Neil!

jamie
Reply to  Alex
May 6, 2020 12:34 pm

I’d break the rules for that also

n.n
May 6, 2020 9:59 am

Move on? So, basically, a cover-up. He advised people to stay off the streets, in order to have privacy without bedroom walls, and reduce the social distance between him and his friend with “benefits”. I wonder if this is why Planned Parenthood et al were certified to provide an essential service. Keep women barefoot, available, and taxable.

richard
May 6, 2020 10:01 am

The man who has never got a prediction right and never predicted he would be sacked.

The Sage
May 6, 2020 10:02 am

The shocking thing is that he resigned for this, and not for his going on 20 year track record of wildly over-estimating the severity of epidemics.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/six-questions-that-neil-ferguson-should-be-asked

Tom Gelsthorpe
May 6, 2020 10:02 am

Yet another siren, Antonia Trampanotto, pops yet another hypocrisy-clouded, authoritarian bubble.
Plus ça change, etc.

Mark Gobell
May 6, 2020 10:04 am

UK lockdownsceptics.org
Latest News
By Toby Young / 6 May 2020 / 35 Comments
https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/05/06/latest-news-22/
[…]
For those who find this sort of thing unenlightening and want a more meaty takedown of Professor Ferguson, a reader who’s an experienced coder – as in, worked as a senior engineer at Google for eight years – has written a review of the code underpinning the Imperial College model for this site that you can read here.
https://lockdownsceptics.org/code-review-of-fergusons-model/
Quite technical, but even a non-specialist like me can get the gist: ICL’s computer model is a great illustration of the coders’ golden rule – “garbage in, garbage out”.
[…]

MG

Richard Saumarez
Reply to  Mark Gobell
May 6, 2020 10:51 am

I’ve read this. It seems that the IC model is complete junk from a programming point of view. As a retired academic, I know that academics make lousy programmers but the IC model is extraordinary.

I really hope that there is an investigation into the damage that Ferguson’s shoddy “science” has done. His scientific failure is a lot more important that his private life.

(PS: I did my PhD at Imperial before it engulfed medical schools. Ferguson is at St Mary’s Hospital and it sticks in my craw when it is referred to the “Imperial” model)

Ian W
Reply to  Mark Gobell
May 6, 2020 11:16 am

That is frightening – global decisions were made based on junk code.
It would be fitting to remove Imperial College’s accreditation – Pour encourager les autres – a suitable signal to all universities and academics that you take responsibility for the effect of your pronouncements. Had that been done for the similar badly forecast foot and mouth epidemic, the global economy might be in a far better state now.

However, it also shows the extreme gullibility of not only politicians but the media and other academics.
It must be true it came from a computer model from Imperial College.
The same model’s output was used uncritically by supposed experts at presidential briefings.

This level of trusting faith must stop. Nullius in verba.

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7
Reply to  Mark Gobell
May 6, 2020 1:36 pm

Brutal.

Conclusions. All papers based on this code should be retracted immediately. Imperial’s modelling efforts should be reset with a new team that isn’t under Professor Ferguson, and which has a commitment to replicable results with published code from day one.

On a personal level I’d actually go further and suggest that all academic epidemiology be defunded. This sort of work is best done by the insurance sector. Insurers employ modellers and data scientists, but also employ managers whose job is to decide whether a model is accurate enough for real world usage and professional software engineers to ensure model software is properly tested, understandable and so on. Academic efforts don’t have these people and the results speak for themselves.

I’ve noticed over a 40-year career in programming that pretty much the first thing one programmer says when taking over responsibility for someone else’s code is that it’s junk and needs to be restructured. Two years later that programmer moves on and it’s rinse & repeat with the next one. The result is a given code base tends to get worse over time as more people have a hand in it. The best code tends to be written either by a single (good) programmer or a small team that work especially well together.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7
May 6, 2020 4:31 pm

I don’t write model code, but I do write logic codes in microprocessors (for electrical substations).
I have noticed it is possible to write beautiful looking logic that produces garbage on the output.
It is also very difficult to deconstruct a string of logic as there is more than one way to skin a cat
I general scrap problematic logic and start from scratch, sounds like modelers should do the same
“Can’t polish a turd” as the saying goes

Derg
Reply to  Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7
May 6, 2020 5:21 pm

+1 Alan. I work at a Fortune 500 company.? In our department, every other departments‘ code is crap. Do you want proof? Just ask our manger 😉

Eric McCue
May 6, 2020 10:08 am

‘Last month (2005) Neil Ferguson, a professor of mathematical biology at Imperial College London, told Guardian Unlimited that up to 200 million people could be killed.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/sep/30/birdflu.jamessturcke

Only 455 died. Liar.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Eric McCue
May 6, 2020 4:32 pm

Sounds like he has Mann’s Disease?

That should be a thing?

brent
Reply to  Eric McCue
May 7, 2020 9:17 am

A global influenza pandemic is imminent and will kill up to 150 million people, the UN official in charge of coordinating the worldwide response to an outbreak has warned.
David Nabarro, one of the most senior public health experts at the World Health Organisation, said outbreaks of bird flu, which have killed at least 65 people in Asia, could mutate into a form transmittable between people.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/sep/30/birdflu.jamessturcke

The world may have to live with Covid for years to come: Imperial College London scientist warns vaccine may NEVER be created and outbreaks and lockdowns could become the norm
3 May 2020
Dr David Nabarro, a special envoy to the World Health Organisation (WHO) on Covid-19, said no ‘absolute assumption’ can be made ‘that a vaccine will appear at all’.
The global health professor argued that ‘high hopes’ are ‘dashed’ because scientists are ‘dealing with biological systems, we’re not dealing with mechanical systems’.
He added that restrictions to movement ‘may apply to parts of a country, or it may even apply to a whole country’ in the face of another outbreak
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8282589/Imperial-College-London-scientist-warns-lockdowns-norm.html

Nabarro. Another alarmist to be aware of

PaulH
May 6, 2020 10:09 am

So she lived in a £1.9 million mansion in an “open marriage”. Gotta love those Champagne Socialists!

Still, I’ve prefer to focus on the mayhem caused by Ferguson’s bug-infested epidemiological models rather than his booty calls. Thirteen year-old poorly documented “C” code generates worthless, exaggerated output? I’m shocked (not).

mark from the midwest
Reply to  PaulH
May 6, 2020 10:20 am

I resent that, I have 20 year old poorly documented C code that’s very useful. Only problem is that it’s harder and harder to maintain. Fortunately every time I modify it I add a couple comments, so maybe someday it will be well documented C code

PaulH
Reply to  mark from the midwest
May 6, 2020 11:11 am

Ha! You got me there! Old but solid C code is not something to scoff at, even though it may be thin on comments. Back in the day I had a prof who, upon viewing a sample of my code for an assignment, said “Comments should make a program easier to read, not more difficult!”

For some technical reading, here’s a code review of Ferguson’s model:

https://lockdownsceptics.org/code-review-of-fergusons-model/

It’s not pretty.

John Dawson
Reply to  PaulH
May 6, 2020 12:01 pm

Perhaps he could look at Dr Mann’s code next?

Oh wait……

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  PaulH
May 6, 2020 12:47 pm

The code review is devastating. The program as employed might make one suspect that the intent was to yield as wide a range of output as possible, one suitable for cherry picking to obtain the largest number of deaths.

Even so, someone who has not read the code defends it!.

commieBob
Reply to  PaulH
May 6, 2020 1:30 pm

The excuse for the model’s non-deterministic behavior is that the model is stochastic. OK then.

Although the text above referred to “random variations”, the stochastic model does not just use any arbitrary set of values. The asset model is based on detailed studies of how markets behave, looking at averages, variations, correlations, and more.

The models and underlying parameters are chosen so that they fit historical economic data, and are expected to produce meaningful future projections.

If the model is truly stochastic, it should be backed up with reams and reams of data.

Describing a buggy apparently useless model as stochastic is simply brilliant. Don’t they say that a well developed sense of humor is the sign of a great intellect? My hat is off to whoever thought to call that model stochastic.

Vuk
Reply to  PaulH
May 6, 2020 2:12 pm

Fortran IV man here.
“Old but solid C code”
What is that ?

commieBob
Reply to  Vuk
May 6, 2020 3:46 pm

Most of Linux.

Oodles of embedded code that runs devices flawlessly for decades.

There’s lots of C code that you literally bet your life on without even knowing it.

Vuk
Reply to  Vuk
May 7, 2020 12:18 am

Thanks, I didn’t think /sarc was required.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  mark from the midwest
May 6, 2020 11:41 am

It’s only about 15 years ago that I interviewed for a job maintaining an important program written in Fortran. Good programs never die; you just can’t find anyone who still knows the language or wants to know it.

MarkW
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
May 6, 2020 12:35 pm

A couple of years ago I interviewed for a job maintaining PL/M code.

PaulH
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
May 6, 2020 1:27 pm

If you know COBOL your skills may be valuable: 🙂

“Cobol Programmers Answer Call to Shore Up Unemployment Benefits Systems”

https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/computing/software/cobol-programmers-answer-call-unemployment-benefits-systems

Power Grab
Reply to  mark from the midwest
May 6, 2020 5:25 pm

I have some 21+ year old FoxPro programs that I still run every day.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  PaulH
May 6, 2020 11:17 am

Well, it accomplished Soros’s objectives, so it’s a roaring success.

kenji
May 6, 2020 10:20 am

Huh? Now I understand why Dr. Fauci endorsed random, anonymous, Tinder hookups. Seems this is something the government bureaucrat “Doctors” have ample time to engage in … on your taxpayer dollars

ResourceGuy
May 6, 2020 10:21 am

At least we’re not at the stage yet where massive government spending is called for to build the world’s fastest supercomputers and a moon shot push for quantum computing in order to model the virus. They will call it the COVID/Tokamak-19 project. Except the French will want it based in Paris.

RHS
May 6, 2020 10:21 am

Too bad we’ll never know who gave Covid-19 to Boris, but it could’ve been Neil.
The irony is so heavy, it can break careers!

May 6, 2020 10:21 am

“Another scientist who doesn’t believe in a word he says”

As so often, no-one quotes the words that he says, that he is supposed to not believe in. In fact, he simply pointed out the inexorable math that if you decide to let the virus take its course until restrained by herd immunity, that means that at least 60% of the population will need to be infected, and something significant fraction of 1% will die. And for the US, that means millions.

I see no reason to doubt that Neil Ferguson still believes that. It’s true.

Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 6, 2020 10:34 am

Nick,

I’m shocked that you aren’t addressing the topic of the OP and instead babbling about math.

Andrew

sycomputing
Reply to  Bad Andrew
May 6, 2020 11:09 am

I’m with you, Andrew. Can you think of a time EVER before now, if at all, that Dr. Stokes has attempted to distract from the original argument in order to make an irrelevant point???

I’m just as shocked as you are . . . maybe even more.

Reply to  sycomputing
May 6, 2020 11:29 am

“to distract from the original argument”
I quoted, and addressed, the entire headline of the article. Prof Ferguson is noted for his math that has implications for us all, not his marital purity. His math is not undermined by these events, and I’m sure he believes, correctly, that it is true.

sycomputing
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 6, 2020 12:35 pm

I quoted, and addressed, the entire headline of the article.

Well you quoted it anyway. But you didn’t address the content of the article and thus the context of the headline. Instead you baited a red herring and fished out your own argument that no one was making.

But Andrew saw you. And so did I.

His math is not undermined by these events, and I’m sure he believes, correctly, that it is true.

Who said he didn’t? And if no one did, why are you distracting from the obvious context of the article to say so?

🙂

Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 6, 2020 12:58 pm

sycomputing,

It’s no use. Nick isn’t here for a serious exchange.

Andrew

sycomputing
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 6, 2020 1:34 pm

Nick isn’t here for a serious exchange.

Well given his performance here I sure hope not!

Truth be known, neither am I, it’s just fun tossing folks about the intellectual room. Good practice too. Or at least it’s good practice when SOME folks make an ATTEMPT at an effort.

🙂

Joel Snider
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 6, 2020 1:37 pm

‘It’s no use. Nick isn’t here for a serious exchange.’

Agreed – his posts today aren’t even honest – just argumentative tripe.

Trebla
Reply to  sycomputing
May 9, 2020 6:04 am

You can’t be more shocked than he is, it would violate Maxwell’s first equation.

kim
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 6, 2020 10:37 am

Heh, that horse raced to resignation.
Try to feel like rest of nation.
===========

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 6, 2020 10:47 am

Nick,
Your assumed case fatality rate of 1% is far too high. Each week now brings news of more and more evidence that SARS-CoV-2 was widely circulating both (1) months earlier than originally believed in Europe and the US, and (2) that most of the infections in the young and healthy are largely low to no symptoms. The US didn’t really take note until it got into a nursing home facility (frail, and high levels of co-morbidities) in Washington State.

Similarly with Italy, and that country’s large multi-general families living in one home, of young and the elderly together.
The data is screamingly clear now: For the young and healthy population group, SARS-CoV-2 really is just a seasonal cold virus. And with lockdowns we are simply slowing this large demographic group’s acquisition of immunity that can help everyone.

With no effective licensed, mass-produced vaccine for at least a year, all these lockdowns are accomplishing is delaying the build-up of herd immunity in that large segment of population that could then protect the vulnerable.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
May 6, 2020 10:56 am

“Your assumed case fatality rate of 1% is far too high.”

If you assume 0.1%, that is still a huge number of deaths before herd immunity is reached. And the other side of the coin is, you don’t know the extent to which the previously infected are immune. None of this math is affected by inappropriate socialising by Dr Ferguson.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 6, 2020 11:12 am

No. You do not understand immunity.

In fact we do know they are “immune” else they’d still be chronically infected (swab-test PCR positive). Formation of immunity is what cleared the acute SARS-CoV-2 infection, from the lungs, airways, and gut.

What we do NOT know is how long that will last in any 1 person. There is evidence some people only develop IgM antibodies. Others develop IgG antibodies. The former – IgM as a correlate of immunity, then that IgM immunity correlates to a likely waning after 3-6 months and they could become susceptible again,but the symptoms will most certainly be lessand the immune response more rapid, if any, for 2nd and 3rd subsequent infections in following cold-flu seasons.

Immunologists know this because we know how B-cell memory forms and that without Class-Switch Recombination, long-lived plasma cells that make IgG are not developed from the B cell memory pool. CSR and affinity maturation are T-cell dependent processes that happens in germinal center reactions in our lymph nodes. That’s why our lymph nodes swell when we get an infection.

With IgG, we know a polycolonal pool of plasma cells were formed from the Germinal Center reactions to Corona Virus structural epitopes, and that there is also then a long-lived T cell memory pool formed (multi-years to decades of immunity) to conserved Corona Virus peptide epitopes that the virus will not be able to mutate without fitness consequences.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
May 6, 2020 11:21 am

“What we do NOT know is how long that will last in any 1 person. “
Yes. As I said
“you don’t know the extent to which the previously infected are immune “

Even if they do not become symptomatic, they may still be able to transmit infection, which is what matters for herd immunity.

Ian W
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 6, 2020 11:30 am

Nick, you should look at the numbers that have not been infected despite commuting on overcrowded mass transit systems like the London underground for the last 4 months. To me what is amazing is not the number of asymptomatic with antibodies – around 4% of the population it is the 95% that after repeated exposures do not get infected.

If you were to run a model that assumed that only 5% of the population were infectable and of those only 1% would have severe symptoms you would still see the kind of growth we have seen except that toward the end the ‘prey’ 5% group will have either been infected and survived or died. Then the ‘predator’ corona virus just stops – there are insufficient prey individuals. Which is what SARS and MERS did after their initial epidemic runs.

It may be that China with large scale zinc and selenium deficient diets and also deficient in vitamin D and with genotypes that have more ACE2 receptors will see recurrent waves but even that seems to be reducing.

The modeling assumption that humans are identical is incorrect. Therefore the algorithms used are also incorrect. Predator/prey algorithms may be better expressions of what is happening.

MarkG
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 6, 2020 11:37 am

“If you assume 0.1%, that is still a huge number of deaths before herd immunity is reached. ”

And, given most are at or beyond the average life expectancy, the extra deaths over the normal for the year would be insignificant compared to the economic harm that has been done by trying to ‘save’ those people to die from someone else.

It seems to me that we’re likely to see far more people die from starvation than would have died from Chinese Flu. Though probably in the countries that rely on exports of food from the West to feed their people, not in the West itself.

Joel Snider
Reply to  MarkG
May 6, 2020 1:23 pm

Progressives have no sense of perspective – how many deaths are worth the deaths they’ve convinced themselves they prevent?

Thomho
Reply to  MarkG
May 6, 2020 11:55 pm

MarkG
Re “the old are going to die argument soon as they have lived beyond life expectancy ”
Life expectancy is a static concept unless it is adjusted for how much longer can people expect to live from a given age

A new study reported in The Economist of 2 May claims covid-19 victims in western Europe would have lived for 11 more years on average
It added that life expectancy for old people are surprisingly high,because many of the unhealthiest have already died
For example an 80 yo (in Italy) can expect to live to 90

Derg
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 6, 2020 5:27 pm

People are going to live forever?

Saves us Obi Stokes…you are only hope.

JohnM
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
May 7, 2020 2:58 am

You’re assuming herd immunity will happen. And that gained immunity is permanent.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/04/27/1000569/how-long-are-people-immune-to-covid-19/

Kevin kilty
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 6, 2020 10:56 am

I watched him in an interview in which he was quite vague, seemingly wanting to be on every side of every issue, so he couldn’t be wrong. He stated that the “isolate the vulnerable” and let the rest of society operate model, which I started advocating anyplace I could 7 weeks ago and which we seem to be evolving toward ever so slowly, won’t work as it is “idealistic” and … well, it won’t work. You can find the interview on UnHerd, I am not wasting my time finding it for anyone.

Considering the trajectory of his career of projections I wasn’t too impressed with him, and am even less so now.

sycomputing
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 6, 2020 11:01 am

As so often, no-one quotes the words that he says, that he is supposed to not believe in.

You mean just like you didn’t where this post’s author is concerned, right? Because I don’t see an argument in the post that the guy denied his own model.

Do you?

So by, “the words that he says, that he is supposed to not believe in” did you mean, for example, the following words? (emphasis added):

“My evidence to Parliament referred to the deaths we assess might occur in the UK in the presence of the very intensive social distancing . . .”

https://tinyurl.com/stmbzsm

Because it sounds to me like by his own admission he just trashed your theory, at least when we don’t make up red herrings to distract from the author’s point:

‘I accept I made an error of judgment and took the wrong course of action,’ he said in a statement announcing his resignation from the U.K.’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies. ‘I acted in the belief that I was immune, having tested positive for coronavirus and completely isolated myself for almost two weeks after developing symptoms. I deeply regret any undermining of the clear messages around the continued need for social distancing.’

https://tinyurl.com/y7fktjbr

What say you?

Reply to  sycomputing
May 6, 2020 11:16 am

“did you mean, for example, the following words?”
So which of those words do you claim refers to something that he doesn’t believe in? Please set it out.

The fact is that Dr Ferguson laid out some math on the possible courses of an epidemic. We all have a stake in whether his math is right. And it isn’t invalidated in any way by his inappropriate socialisation.

richard
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 6, 2020 12:24 pm

“Cumulative all-cause mortality in the UK remains in the range of the five strongest flu waves in the last 25 years. The peak in daily hospital deaths was already reached on April 8 .

New statistical data show that in mid-April, out of about 12,000 additional deaths, about 9,000 were „related to Covid“ (including „suspected cases“), but about 3,000 were „not related to Covid“. Moreover, of the total of about 7300 deaths in nursing homes, only about 2000 were „related to Covid“. In both the „Covid19 deaths“ and the non-covid19 deaths, it is often unclear what these people actually died of. The Association of British Pathologists has therefore called for a „systematic review of the true causes of death“.

The temporary „Nightingale“ hospitals in the UK have so far remained largely empty. A similar situation was already seen in China, the US and many other countries.

At the end of April it became known that the lockdown was apparently not, as officially stated, recommended by a scientific commission alone, but that a high government advisor had „pushed“ the scientists to support the lockdown”

sycomputing
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 6, 2020 12:46 pm

Please set it out.

I’ll copy his own admission here again for you:

“I deeply regret any undermining of the clear messages around the continued need for social distancing.”

Now, either: 1) Dr. Ferguson is an hypocrite; or 2) he doesn’t believe in social distancing. If you want to agree to 1) then I’m with you. But then if you do agree to 1) why are you complaining about no one arguing the point you’re trying to say the OP argued?

Alternatively, you could quote where in the article the OP suggests Dr. Ferguson doesn’t believe his own model?

I don’t see it.

Reply to  sycomputing
May 6, 2020 1:01 pm

“Dr. Ferguson is an hypocrite”
Dr Ferguson contrasted the mathematical results of an epidemic with and without social distancing. That is just how it is. It is for politicians etc to work out the policy consequences. The Telegraph accuses him of lecturing the public on policy, but gives no quotes.

“Alternatively, you could quote where in the article the OP suggests Dr. Ferguson doesn’t believe his own model?”
I quoted the headline, which says that and more. There really isn’t much more to the article than that.

sycomputing
Reply to  sycomputing
May 6, 2020 2:08 pm

Alright well I think you’ve lost the narrative thread. It’s always fun though!

Take care!

🙂

fred250
Reply to  sycomputing
May 6, 2020 4:06 pm

Poor Nick,

You never were one to advocate the phrase..

“practice what you preach”, were you.

You really do need to learn when to stop making a fool of yourself !

Joel Snider
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 6, 2020 11:05 am

At the risk of shining a light on the most deliberately obtuse mentality on the board, it’s about hypocrisy – and you also have to be able to put two-and-two together.

Reply to  Joel Snider
May 6, 2020 11:24 am

Prof Ferguson’s math and its implications matter to us. Possible hypocrisy, not so much. But please quote the actual words that he said that you consider hypocritical.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 6, 2020 12:35 pm

It’s the ACTIONS, oh thick-one.

THAT’s the hypocrisy – and it’s amazing that I actually have to say that.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Joel Snider
May 6, 2020 12:39 pm

Definition of hypocrisy
1: a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not: behavior that contradicts what one claims to believe or feel

Reply to  Joel Snider
May 6, 2020 12:49 pm

“It’s the ACTIONS, oh thick-one”
Hypocrisy would be the contrast between actions and words. So what are the words? Quote them, please.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Joel Snider
May 6, 2020 1:07 pm

You really are a piece of work, Nick.

From the article – ‘Mind you, this is the guy with the COVID-19 virus computer model that single-handedly destroyed the global economy, by initially predicting huge amounts of deaths. The fear produced a world-wide lockdown and economic devastation.’

I don’t NEED to quote his words – in this case, he’s got two actions here that shout out hypocrisy.

But please continue to try and muddy the water by focusing on inconsequential specificities of the word.

Reply to  Joel Snider
May 6, 2020 1:28 pm

“single-handedly destroyed the global economy”
He didn’t single-handedly destroy the global economy. He pointed out that the virus was going to cause a lot of deaths unless something was done. That remains true. I don’t see a lot of people saying that because the Tele caught out Dr F, it’s all OK now.

On the other hand, there was the Modeller-in-Chief who said Feb 25th
“And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.”
I don’t know whether Dr Ferguson was outranked in terms of marital purity, but I think his maths has lasted better.

Mark - Helsinki
Reply to  Joel Snider
May 6, 2020 1:47 pm

Stokes doesn’t want to accept that Fergusons BAD numbers of the high end led to a situation where EVEN MORE people will die from the fallout, and have been dying because of the panic

Joel Snider
Reply to  Joel Snider
May 6, 2020 1:51 pm

So – changing the subject again.

His actions were HYPOCRISY, Nick – despite what you’ve spent all goddamn day trying rationalize. Which was the point of the article and what you used to hijack this thread.

LdB
Reply to  Joel Snider
May 6, 2020 6:15 pm

Nick his words … quoted as you the old sophist demands

“I deeply regret any undermining of the clear messages around the continued need for social distancing to control this devastating epidemic. The government guidance is unequivocal, and is there to protect all of us.”

Yeah he manned up an admitted he is a hypocrit, now can you do the same and man up and admit you are wrong …. No will never happen because you are nothing but a lying troll.

Reply to  Joel Snider
May 6, 2020 6:41 pm

“Nick his words”
He apologises for breaching the government guidance, as anyone might in the circumstances. But the charges of hypocrisy are based on the Telegraph’s charge that he has been “lecturing the public on the need for strict social distancing”. And no-one has been able to quote any of that lecturing. He points out the math of epidemics. But it is up to governments to formulate and promote guidance.

B d Clark
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 6, 2020 6:59 pm

Mr stokes he did lecture, heres the radio interview 16th April telling people restrictions will have to stay in place some time, unfortunately they have blocked the video but the sub title tells you.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p089n5l5

LdB
Reply to  Joel Snider
May 7, 2020 12:17 am

Oh look it’s a Stokes deflection or should we just call it an outright lie.

Prof Ferguson sits on advisory team helping the UK coordinate its pandemic response AKA they pushed for and got the lock down hence he got his name “Professor Lockdown”. Here is an April article with what he said and did and how he got the title “Profesor Lockdown” long before this whole affair.

https://www.businessinsider.com/neil-ferguson-transformed-uk-covid-response-oxford-challenge-imperial-model-2020-4?r=AU&IR=T

So please stop insulting our intelligence with you sophist lies.

Mark - Helsinki
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 6, 2020 1:44 pm

Why Nick, so you can run away when the answers come, as usual?

You cancerous prick

sycomputing
Reply to  Mark - Helsinki
May 6, 2020 2:17 pm

You cancerous prick

Wow look at Moron Mark giving Nick Stokes leave to live rent free in his head.

Who’s the pr*ck now? Nick? You? The both of you? If it’s him then it’s gotta be you too don’t you reckon?

I mean, was that really necessary?

Janice Moore
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 6, 2020 11:07 am

… will die … It’s true.

Prove it.

And, the “inexorable math” won’t suffice. That is merely a statistical projection based on assumptions. It is not proven by data.

(Note: The population of the United States is about 328 million:
(328 million x .6 x .01) < 2 million)

************************************

While the following proves nothing, it is interesting to note that you who come down on the non-data supported conjecture re: human CO2 and climate also come down on the non-data supported conjecture re: COVID 19.

Common thread: both the human CO2 stance and the COVID 19 stance you take demand that we severely limit civil liberties.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Janice Moore
May 6, 2020 6:39 pm

Edit of above (sigh): “… come down on [the side of]” (2x above).

H.R.
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 6, 2020 11:17 am

Professor Neil Ferguson allowed the woman to visit him at home during the lockdown while lecturing the public on the need for strict social distancing in order to reduce the spread of coronavirus.

(bold mine)

There’s where the hypocrisy lies. Based on his model the lockdown was an imperative.

But you know the drill around here. His model is just target practice.

Reply to  H.R.
May 6, 2020 12:51 pm

“Based on his model the lockdown was an imperative”
Based on the math, a lockdown was imperative.
He didn’t create the math; he just explained it.

H.R.
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 6, 2020 1:37 pm

So why did he ignore his own model, which he created, which spat out the numbers? That’s the point.

And his explanation of the numbers was a three alarm fire. He’s lecturing lockdown for everyone (note the bold) and sneaking off for nookies.

His actions demonstrate that this is serious… for everyone else but him.

Now, if you want to argue that he showed remorse by resigning, there’s something to be said there. I’d have preferred he also would have added self-flagellation in Trafalgar Square followed by 48 hours in stocks where the public could throw rotten veggies at him. But even that is a dodge because everyone else is on lockdown so there would be no-one to throw veggies.

Reply to  H.R.
May 6, 2020 1:47 pm

“He’s lecturing lockdown for everyone”
I note the bold, and also the total absence of quotes.

Joel Snider
Reply to  H.R.
May 6, 2020 2:01 pm

Nick’s entire line today is a semantics argument.

Joel Snider
Reply to  H.R.
May 6, 2020 2:39 pm

And his demand for quotes is another red-herring.

H.R.
Reply to  H.R.
May 6, 2020 3:52 pm

Nick Stokes May 6, 2020 at 1:47 pm

“He’s lecturing lockdown for everyone”

I note the bold, and also the total absence of quotes.

It seems you missed this, in the article, Nick.

[…] allowed the woman to visit him at home during the lockdown while lecturing the public on the need for strict social distancing […]”

You’re ducking, dodging, weaving, and bobbing away from the point of the article which was the hypocrisy demonstrated by Professor Ferguson’s actions.

Was Professor Ferguson’s action’s hypocritical or not?

I said “Yes” with a bit of my inimitable flair. You responded to… something else.

So removing the playfulness that the English language allows, I ask again, was the Professor’s actions hypocritical or not? Yes or no?

fred250
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 6, 2020 1:55 pm

“Based on the math, a lockdown was imperative.

So funny.. Nick has foot in mouth yet again.!!

Since Ferguson broke the lockdown, then obviously he doesn’t believe his own maths that a lockdown was imperative

Yet again, you put yourself in checkmate with your idiotic blethering.

Jack Black
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 6, 2020 9:06 pm

Garbage in : Garbage out

Joel O'Bryan
May 6, 2020 10:30 am

Well if he’d been a billionaire (like Obama’s buddy movie producer David Geffen), he could have sheltered in place on his megayacht tooling around the Caribbean Islands.

For Libtards it’s universally always, “The sacrifices I demand for thee are not for me.”

brent
May 6, 2020 10:40 am

Bob Ward chimes in at the Graun

It’s not just Neil Ferguson – scientists are being attacked for telling the truth
Bob Ward
The media vilification of the government adviser is about far more than social distancing
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/06/neil-ferguson-scientists-media-government-adviser-social-distancing

MarkG
Reply to  brent
May 6, 2020 11:43 am

He’s not being attacked for telling the truth. He’s being attacked for being instrumental in devastating the British economy and the ancient freedoms of Englishmen.

The Chinese Flu Panic will be just another nail in the coffin of belief in ‘experts’ and, in particular, their computer models.

Jack Black
Reply to  brent
May 6, 2020 10:40 pm

Bob Ward !!!
That lickspittle toady of greenie billionaire Grantham wouldn’t know the truth if it jumped up and bit him on the nose. Arn’t ya sick of hearing the whining blasts of hot air emanating from that vested interest shill. When Bob Ward’s lips move you know the words you are hearing come straight from the pen of the coterie; fake “Lord” Deben and his climate scamming pals, such as fake “Lord” Krebs, Jim “Carbon” Shea, Ed “Climate Act” Miliband, and other assorted Fabians such as Tony “Iraq” Blair.
Bah !

Gordon Dressler
May 6, 2020 10:55 am

“Do as I say, not as I do” . . . a well-know tenet of almost all politically-involved persons, yet often overlooked by a gullible public.

It is amazing the number of times we are “surprised” by such behavior.

Gordon Dressler
Reply to  Gordon Dressler
May 6, 2020 11:13 am

“well-known”, that is

Janice Moore
Reply to  Gordon Dressler
May 6, 2020 12:08 pm

Lack of integrity in elected officials is, indeed, “nothing new under the sun,” Mr. Dressler.

Why do people still believe in the integrity of the people in authority (i.e., why is it “surprising”)?

Because:

1) They long for integrity in their leaders (and especially in their spiritual leaders and people like scientists whom they trust to tell them the truth); they want very much for it to be true.

2) They are honest and upright in their own lives — they assume this is true of others, too.

The wonderful thing is that experience, which should make bitter cynics of us all, doesn’t destroy this idealism. We still hope for and, until proven wrong, believe for the best.

Leaders, many of whom achieve their status using tools only sociopathic or narcissistic personalities are willing to use, are more likely than the general population to lack integrity.
Nevertheless, while they don’t make the headlines, I think that most leaders ARE people of moral integrity — mistaken or ignorant many times, yes, but most are not cheating or hypocrites.

Unfortunately, along with an admirable idealism about leaders, the public has an unhealthy appetite for scandal. Disgusting behavior sells newspapers… . So, we don’t read about the vast majority who are people of integrity.

commieBob
May 6, 2020 10:56 am

There is The Ballad of Sexual Dependency. Marianne Faithfull nails it.

Doc Chuck
May 6, 2020 11:16 am

Let’s get something straight that undercuts all the shocked surprise. Freedom from all traditionally commendable restraints makes one feel special, which in turn gives some thrilling meaning to a mundane life. Thus the tensions between scrupulous truth telling vs. some celebrated form of advocacy; as well as observing codes of moral conduct for the benefit of so many others (and by the way in the end yourself), even if in this instance you are the very source of the restraining rationale, vs. making yourself a covert or even better a daringly overt unique exception.

How primordial is this kind of appeal? Read for yourself the very few crafty enticements enlisted by the serpent in the first account of it in Eden: No real harm will come of ignoring any admittedly understood limitations, which surely were falsely posed to intentionally limit the full ascendancy that is plainly your due.

Geoff Sherrington
Reply to  Doc Chuck
May 6, 2020 5:05 pm

Yes, the emotions are quite basic. I see them in these simple analogy terms. We all know that drinking alcohol is bad for health and that it kills many people. Some drinkers feel a pang of conscience when they pay ever more money for their next drink — but then, should they attend a gathering where the drinks are free, they enjoy the alcohol much more and will commonly drink much more than usual, but with less worry from the conscience. They have, in their minds, shifted some of the blame to others like the donors stupid enough to offer them free grog. Then one day the doc tells them they have early, terminal liver damage that will consume valuable public resources to nurse them to the grave. Double bad.
You can construct many analogies along these lines. You can use cigarette smoking, for example. If you were ever a heavy drinker like I was, this will resonate. But I caught on, gave it up and have a healthy liver at 79. Geoff S

niceguy
Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
May 6, 2020 11:01 pm

“then, should they attend a gathering where the drinks are free, they enjoy the alcohol much more and will commonly drink much more than usual”

I’m told that where people know they can get as many drinks as they want, they don’t drink much.

May 6, 2020 11:26 am

Yep it’s all over the news here in the UK. Quite astonishing..

Klem
May 6, 2020 11:39 am

Gee, I wonder what her husband and kids think of all of this.

They’ll be fine with it, I’m sure.

Ron
May 6, 2020 11:57 am

Sperm doesn’t transmit the virus. There is actually a study that claims that.

We don’t know which masks, gloves etc. for “protective” reasons they might have used (maybe before COVID-19?) so their encounter could technically have been very safe.

Jack Black
Reply to  Ron
May 7, 2020 7:57 am

Special prophylactic “Bishop’s glove” is available to prevent those sorts of infections 😂

MrGrimNasty
May 6, 2020 12:04 pm

Was it an affair, or a strategy meeting with an eco-extremist from AVAAZ?

May 6, 2020 12:18 pm

“I thought I heard you say something about 6ft?

This isn’t even 6 inches” 😉

BadaBing

Andrew

richard
May 6, 2020 12:23 pm

Hmm… some one had to fall.

Billy
May 6, 2020 12:33 pm

I never knew that “scientists” predicted the future. I thought that was for fortune tellers.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Billy
May 6, 2020 12:48 pm

For fortune seekers.

B d Clark
May 6, 2020 1:30 pm

Police not interested either,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52562383

Patrick MJD
Reply to  B d Clark
May 6, 2020 5:13 pm

The UK police these days are only interested if you have stepped on cracks in the sidewalk/pavement or haven’t committed any offense at all.

Al Miller
May 6, 2020 1:35 pm

Sounds like he has morals right up there with Prime Minister Trudeau. Rules are for others…Hypocrisy well without hypocrites there wouldn’t be many left in the alarmist camp would there?

stan Brown
May 6, 2020 2:22 pm
TimTheToolMan
Reply to  stan Brown
May 7, 2020 6:07 pm

Beyond the apparently unsalvageable nature of this specific codebase, testing model predictions faces a fundamental problem, in that the authors don’t know what the “correct” answer is until long after the fact, and by then the code has changed again anyway, thus changing the set of bugs in it. So it’s unclear what regression tests really mean for models like this – even if they had some that worked.

Applies to GCMs too.

ResourceGuy
May 6, 2020 2:26 pm

What beach are they headed to in fear of the rising seas?

u.k.(us)
May 6, 2020 3:01 pm

@ Anthony,
Stick with research, you’ll get eaten alive by the political class.
Cus you’ve still got a heart.

Roger Knights
May 6, 2020 3:03 pm

New CRISPR Coronavirus Test Could Be a Pandemic ‘Game-Changer’
Cheap accurate testing would enable the safe reopening of the U.S. economy.
RONALD BAILEY | 5.6.2020 3:00 PM

The researchers have created molecular tags that latch onto sections of viral genes and emit a signal when their presence is detected. The new STOPCovid  https://www.stopcovid.science/ test enables the detection of as few as 100 copies of the coronavirus in a sample. “As a result, the STOPCovid test allows for rapid, accurate, and highly sensitive detection of Covid-19 that can be conducted outside clinical laboratory settings,” note the researchers. The test initially used standard nasal swab samples, but preliminary data suggest that it will work using much more easily collected saliva samples.

The research team is talking with manufacturers to further simplify and produce the test. The New York Times reports https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/05/health/crispr-coronavirus-covid-test.html that they estimate that the materials for one test would cost about six dollars now and would fall even further when mass-produced. “The ability to test for Covid-19 at home, or even in pharmacies or places of employment, could be a game-changer for getting people safely back to work and into their communities,” said team member Feng Zhang in the press release.
https://reason.com/2020/05/06/new-crispr-coronavirus-test-could-be-a-pandemic-game-changer/?utm_medium=email

Robert of Ottawa
May 6, 2020 3:13 pm

Clearly he didn’t believe the carp he was spouting.

Computer modelling?
No, computer didling?

TeaPartyGeezer
May 6, 2020 3:57 pm

“The woman lives with her husband and their children in another house.”

That sentence seem a bit extraneous.

Pat from kerbob
May 6, 2020 4:38 pm

I think the real story about covid that we need to talk about that left doesn’t want to us that it shows that mass public transit and mass density housing, shibboleths of the left, are the worst possible condition for fighting a contagious virus like this

Eliza
May 6, 2020 4:58 pm

Stokes believes in AGW say no more he is just an Australian troll for the AGW crowd. He is paid to post this stuff here and other sites. I wonder what he thinks of Michael Moore now?? . Interesting that Mockton is backing down from the lockdown position he so strongly defended previously and is not publishing any more of his drivel here! We welcome Willis to publish a post on Swedens sucessess. Cheers

Geoff Sherrington
Reply to  Eliza
May 6, 2020 5:14 pm

Eliza,
You are unkind to MoB, who is doing a lot of work, trying to be helpful. You criticise him for a change of course, when that is routine action for a thinking person on meeting solid evidence that contradicts previous. That is a bit rough of you. An apology would show you as reasonable and intelligent.

Centre-leftist
May 6, 2020 5:47 pm

She was behind the neonicitinoid ban by the EU.

As one involved in horticulture and agriculture, I don’t want to see dangerous pesticides used willy-nilly.

Indeed, in the 1980s, I was firmly of the opinion that some of the garden pesticides used back then should only be sold by the properly-trained, which may have required a licensing system, but the state Labor Minister of the day didn’t agree (there were still old-time cautious Laborites in parliament at that stage).

I saw this as an alternative to the likely future banning of many chemicals for household use. The trouble with banning chemicals is that it only takes one panicked reaction and a precedent is set, which is followed by many other states and countries. Once activists have achieved one ban, they move on to the next target.

The end result is that one cannot be totally certain that the latest chemical to be struck off is as dangerous as portrayed, or merely another stepping-stone of the hard left march towards our economic ruin.

pat
May 6, 2020 5:56 pm

he upped the ante –

3 Apr: Nature: Special report: The simulations driving the world’s response to COVID-19
How epidemiologists rushed to model the coronavirus pandemic.
by David Adam
An earlier version of the Imperial (College London/Neil Ferguson) model, for instance, estimated that SARS-CoV-2 would be about as severe as influenza in necessitating the hospitalization of those infected. That turned out to be incorrect…

The true performance of simulations in this pandemic might become clear only months or years from now…
“Forecasts made during an outbreak are rarely investigated during or after the event for their accuracy, and only recently have forecasters begun to make results, code, models and data available for retrospective analysis,” (John Edmunds, who is a modeller at the LSHTM) and his team noted last year in a paper6 that assessed the performance of forecasts made in a 2014–15 Ebola outbreak in Sierra Leone…

Media reports have suggested that an update to the Imperial team’s model in early March was a critical factor in jolting the UK government into changing its policy on the pandemic. The researchers initially estimated that 15% of hospital cases would need to be treated in an intensive-care unit (ICU), but then updated that to 30%, a figure used in the first public release of their work on 16 March…

Ferguson says the significance of the model update might have been exaggerated…
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01003-6

pat
May 6, 2020 5:59 pm

25 Apr: Business Insider: How ‘Professor Lockdown’ helped save tens of thousands of lives worldwide — and carried COVID-19 into Downing Street
by Bill Bostock
Professor Neil Ferguson, of Imperial College London, authored a paper that prompted the UK to scrap its coronavirus strategy.
Ferguson’s team warned Boris Johnson that the quest for “herd immunity” could cost 510,000 lives, prompting an abrupt U-turn.
His simulations have been influential in other countries as well, cited by authorities in the US, Germany, and France…

Scientists have piled in to criticize Ferguson’s paper in less uncertain terms.
“Some of the major assumptions and estimates that are built in the calculations seem to be substantially inflated,” John Ioannidis, a professor of disease prevention from Stanford University, told The Telegraph…
https://www.businessinsider.com/neil-ferguson-transformed-uk-covid-response-oxford-challenge-imperial-model-2020-4?r=AU&IR=T

pat
May 6, 2020 6:38 pm

6 May: The Critic UK: The Fatal Hubris of Professor Lockdown
It wasn’t an attractive 38 year-old that brought down Neil Ferguson
Artillery Row By Toby Young
Following the resignation of Professor Neil Ferguson, I’m fascinated by the details about Antonia Staats, the woman he is having an affair with…Guido has dug up a podcast she did on March 31st (***now offline), 24 hours after visiting Professor Ferguson, in which she complains that the lockdown is putting a strain on her marriage. But it’s her politics I’m really interested in. The Telegraph has her down as a “left wing-wing campaigner”, a reference to the fact that she campaigned against leaving the EU and is a long-standing environmental activist who supported Greta Thunberg’s climate strike. Many of the papers have included this picture of her standing outside Number 10 delivering a petition to the Prime Minister about ending fossil fuel subsidies:
PIC

Some people have asked what the relevance of Ms Staat’s politics is. The answer, obviously, is that her politics are likely to be Professor Ferguson’s politics – and we know that he co-authored a paper in 2016 warning of the terrible consequences of leaving the EU and we can see from his Twitter feed that he’s not exactly a Tory. For instance, he sent the following tweet to the Liberal Democrat MP Layla Moran when she won Oxford West and Abingdon in 2017: “Great news – so happy to wake up to hear you won! Fingers crossed that last night means at least a softer Brexit.” …

Just yesterday we learnt that the lockdowns have forced countries across the world to shut down TB treatment programmes which, over the next five years, could lead to 6.3 million additional cases of TB and 1.4 million deaths. There are so many stories like this it’s impossible to keep track. We will soon be able to say with something approaching certainty that the cure has been worse than the disease.

Neil Ferguson isn’t single-handedly responsible for this world-historical blunder, but he does bear some responsibility. His apocalyptic predictions frightened the British Government into imposing a full lockdown, with other governments quickly following suit. And I’m afraid he’s absolutely typical of the breed. He suffers from the same fundamental arrogance that progressive interventionists have exhibited since at least the middle of the 18th Century – wildly over-estimating the good that governments can do, assuming there are no limits to what “science” can achieve and, at the same time, ignoring the empirical evidence that their ambitious public programmes are a complete disaster. At bottom, they believe that nature itself can be bent to man’s will…
https://thecritic.co.uk/the-fatal-hubris-of-professor-lockdown/

***re the podcast which has been removed:

7 May: Daily Mail: She (Staats) admitted on a podcast recorded with a journalist friend days earlier that the lockdown had placed a ‘strain’ on her relationship with her husband Chris, who is yet to comment on his wife’s affair or their alleged open marriage…
Antonia Staats also spoke out in support of Ferguson who had told the Government to impose restrictions on the public to prevent the spread of coronavirus.
Friend and former journalist Jeremy Wagstaff interviewed Staats at her home to discuss how she was coping with losing her au pair caring for her two young children, the shortage of toilet paper and surviving the lockdown…
Staats, who is from Isny, Germany, makes reference in the podcast about her fears that her husband, an academic, might have already been infected.
She said: Chris has been not feeling great and thinks he got it. But we can’t know for sure. So what now? Do we assume he’s had it?’
Staats, makes no direct mention of her lover, but does give a nod to Ferguson’s advice on slowing the spread of the virus.
‘I’m not a scientist, so I feel reluctant to be like, ‘I think in three weeks we will be through the worst of it’,’ she said.
‘I feel inclined to believe the science and I certainly think its not like ‘oh Easter we’ll go back normal and after the Easter holidays the schools are going to open again.’…
The podcast was recorded by former technology journalist Jeremy Wagstaff for his Singapore based company. He conducted a series of interviews with people around on how they are coping with the crisis. The interview with Staats has since been removed from his company’s website…
Staats said she is able to work from home and is being paid her usual salary working for the US based activist group Avaaz.
She told the interviewer she was fortunate and considered herself in a ‘very privileged and comfortable position. I’m not someone in an abusive relationship who is now trapped in a flat with an abuser,’ she said.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8293057/How-Neil-Fergusons-married-lover-enjoys-perfect-family-life.html

everyone in UK knows Wagstaff:

LinkedIn: Jeremy Wagstaff, Consultant/writer/advisor (former journalist, WSJ, BBC, Reuters)
Commentator/contributor
BBC
Mar 2004 – Present
Thomson Reuters
6 years 7 months (ending Jul 2018)
Wall Street Journal
10 years 6 months (ending Jan 2008)
Thomson Reuters
9 years (ending Jul 1997) etc
https://sg.linkedin.com/in/wagstaff

pat
May 6, 2020 6:54 pm

2 more pics posted by 350.org:

2012: Flickr: 350.org
#EndFossilFuelSubsidies London petition delivery. Jenny Rosenberg (Friends of the Earth EWNI), Antonia Staats (Avaaz), Marco Cadena (Push Europe), Emma Biermann (350.org), Parker Liautaud (young Arctic explorer).
https://www.flickr.com/photos/350org/7393847884/in/photostream/

2012: Flickr: 350.org
#EndFossilFuelSubsidies London petition delivery. Jenny Rosenberg (Friends of the Earth EWNI), Antonia Staats (Avaaz), Marco Cadena (Push Europe), Emma Biermann (350.org), Parker Liautaud (young Arctic explorer).
https://www.flickr.com/photos/350org/7393804452

pat
May 6, 2020 7:16 pm

SAGE secrecy:

28 Apr: Daily Mail: ‘Partial’ list of SAGE members WILL be published amid backlash at secrecy and complaints No10 chief Dominic Cummings attended meetings
•A ‘partial’ list of SAGE members will be issued shortly amid secrecy backlash…
•Sir Patrick Vallance said names of all those who agree will be released soon
By James Tapsfield
Chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance revealed this morning that a list will be issued ‘shortly’.
However, he insisted only the experts who are ‘happy to have their names published’ will be included…
Sir Patrick, who chairs Sage, has previously argued that the decision not to disclose its membership was based on advice from the Centre for Protection of National Infrastructure, which warned of lobbying.
Sir Patrick said representatives from a number of different institutions, including the Food Standards Agency and Public Health England, sit in on Sage meetings.
He added: ‘And we also have officials from Whitehall who listen in to the meetings, and can ask questions if they wish to…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8260923/Partial-list-SAGE-membership-published.html

4 May: Guardian: Government names dozens of scientists who sit on Sage group
by Rowena Mason
Downing Street has published the names of the more than 50 scientists who sit on its Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies to discuss coronavirus, after criticism of the secrecy surrounding the group and the Guardian’s revelation that the No 10 adviser Dominic Cummings had attended meetings of the group.
The list of names was made available on the government’s website (LINK), showing that around half of the experts come from universities and another half are made up of government chief scientific advisers, public health officials or NHS senior staff…

The scientists include university professors such as Wendy Barclay, Ian Boyd, John Edmunds, Sir Jeremy Farrar, Neil Ferguson, Julia Gog, Peter Horby, Dame Theresa Marteau, Graham Medley, Andrew Morris, Cath Noakes, Michael Parker, Venki Ramakrishnan, Andrew Rambaut, Brooke Rogers, James Rubin, Calum Semple, Sir David Spieglhalter, Russell Viner, Mark Woolhouse and Lucy Yardley.
Two participants refused to be named. Membership lists of several other advisory groups were also published.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/04/government-names-dozens-of-scientists-who-sit-on-sage-group

4 May: Guardian: Public’s trust in science at risk, warns former No 10 adviser
Ex-chief scientific adviser sets up rival panel of experts over Covid-19 ‘lack of transparency’
by Hannah Devlin
Prompted by growing concern about the lack of transparency around the government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage), ***Prof Sir David King has convened a panel of experts that he says will act as an independent alternative.
The group, which will broadcast live on YouTube and take evidence from global experts, will hold its first meeting on Monday…

The group, which includes a range of leading scientists working across public health, computer modelling, behavioural science and intensive care medicine, aims to present the government with “robust, unbiased advice”.
King argues that the official Sage is compromised by the fact that 16 of the 23 known members of the committee, including the prime minister’s strategist Dominic Cummings, are employed by government.

The Independent Sage meeting will cover seven areas, including the criteria for lifting lockdown, testing and tracing and quarantine and shielding policies for vulnerable groups. It will formally submit its recommendations to the health and social care select committee, placing pressure on the government to explain the advice behind its lockdown exit strategy, parts of which are expected to be unveiled in the coming week.
King said that the biggest potential pitfall in weeks ahead would be to relax lockdown measures too soon and that he believes the government’s so-called five tests for whether it is safe to ease restrictions are inadequate.
“My own feeling is that the extent to which the virus is still in the population means we are not yet close … to coming out of lockdown,” he said. “Undoubtedly the biggest potential pitfall is removing lockdown too early and too quickly.”

A second peak, he said, could not only increase casualties, but could also lengthen the overall period of time before the country is able to fully exit lockdown. “If you go into a second peak, it just becomes more and more difficult to end the pandemic,” he added.

King previously held the chief scientific role, now occupied by Sir Patrick Vallance, between 2000 and 2007 and served as the UK’s climate envoy from 2013 to 2017.
The independent advisory group will include some vocal critics of the government’s Covid-19 policies, such as the global public health expert Prof Anthony Costello, as well as ***former and existing Sage experts.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/03/publics-trust-in-science-at-risk-warns-former-no-10-adviser

***will Ferguson be joining David King’s group?

pat
May 6, 2020 7:42 pm

6 May: BBC: Coronavirus: Lockdown adviser quits, climate change warning and ‘new normal’
Here are five things you need to know about the coronavirus outbreak this Wednesday morning. We’ll have another update for you at 18:00 BST.

1. Prominent adviser quits
Back in March, it was Prof Neil Ferguson’s modelling of the virus’s transmission that persuaded the UK government it should impose the lockdown. Now, though, he’s been forced to quit as an adviser after admitting undermining those very social distancing rules. A reminder of them here…

2. UK warned over coronavirus climate trap
Funds earmarked for the post-pandemic recovery should go to firms that will reduce carbon emissions. That’s the message from government advisers today. We know that we’re living through an unrivalled drop in carbon output due to the economic slowdown – as these five charts explain (LINK) – but how could a “Build Back Better” strategy work? (LINKS TO HARRABIN BELOW)
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52552299

political propaganda:

6 May: BBC: Climate change: Could the coronavirus crisis spur a green recovery?
By Roger Harrabin
I’ve just had a light bulb moment. The feisty little wren chirping loudly in the matted ivy outside my back door is telling us something important about global climate change.
That’s because, intertwined with the melodious notes of a robin, I can actually hear its song clearly.
Normally, both birds are muffled by the insistent rumble of traffic, but the din has been all but extinguished in the peace of lockdown…
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-52488134

pat
May 6, 2020 7:54 pm

7 May: Politico: What COVID-19 scientists can learn from their climate change colleagues
The epidemiologists and virologists helping governments are now thrust into the public eye — which also makes them target
by RICHARD BLACK
(Richard Black is director of the Energy and Climate Intelligence Unit. He was formerly BBCscience and environment correspondent for 12 years)

The late climatologist Stephen Schneider titled his memoirs “Science as a Contact Sport” — and for him and his colleagues, either side of the explosive 2009 U.N. climate summit in Copenhagen, life was exactly that.
Knocks on the door in the dead of night; security threats serious enough to mandate personal bodyguards at science conferences; postings on white supremacist websites pointing out researchers’ Jewish heritage.

All this abuse for merely flagging up what their science showed to be true: that humankind’s greenhouse gas emissions were changing the face of the Earth in ways likely to be overwhelmingly negative and possibly catastrophic, and that a different way forward, free from untrammelled fossil fuel use, was feasible and desirable…

One thing that COVID-19 scientists have in common with their climate-change peers is that neither body of experts is monolithic…
Such is the divergence between scientists that David King, a former chief scientific adviser to Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, has set up an alternative group of experts to cast their own judgment on the available evidence and provide a fresh stream of interpretation and advice…

And hence the defenestration of Imperial College London’s Neil Ferguson by newspapers whose comment pages speak to an abhorrence for lockdown policies. Newspapers happy to call a scientist whose advice probably saved many thousands of lives “the bonking boffin” and “Professor Lockdown.”…
Climate scientists have been at this a lot longer than their coronavirus peers. So what can the latter usefully glean from the formers’ experience?…

The detractors of climate science no longer have currency anywhere it matters (outside the White House) because their claims, whether “climate change is all natural” or “reducing emissions is economic suicide,” have been clearly shown to be wrong.
COVID-19 science, as Ferguson has just found out, may currently be a contact sport. But the experience of climate science suggests it is a sport that good scientists will eventually win.
https://www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-what-covid-19-scientists-can-learn-from-their-climate-change-colleagues/

ghl
Reply to  pat
May 6, 2020 9:16 pm

Al Gore and David Blood formed Generation Investment Management in 2004.
GenerationIM web site from March 28 2009
http://web.archive.org/web/20090328131153/http://www.generationim.com/sustainability/challenges/pandemics.html
More:-
http://web.archive.org/web/20091123011347/http://www.generationim.com/media/pdf-generation-thematic-research-v13.pdf

Browse the above pages, follow some links for the full effect. Note the references to Global Warming,water and pandemics.
Also remember who planned our Murray Darling water trading regime, that the farmers are so unhappy with, under a merchant banker as Minister for the Environment. Well it was not designed to keep the farmers happy. Markets are created for people to make money.
Check out who planned our water market. Some familiar faces.
https://wentworthgroup.org/members/

And so to the Corona Virus.
Secret models, hidden code. Sound familiar?
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/04/23/delingpole-why-must-covid-19-decision-makers-be-clouded-in-secrecy/

If you have rats in your walls you do not have to watch them to know what they are doing.Doing rattythings, living ratty lives. It is what they know, what else would they do? For politicians and merchant bankers it’a all about your money. It is what they do. I don’t know how Fat Albert and his henchmen are making money from a pandemic, but it is what they do. Goverments that should be doing due diligence and running ‘one rule for all’ societies are co-opted to support one gravy train after another.
The western world is lacking investigative journalists, there are so many obvious avenues of enquiry.

Richard (the cynical one)
May 6, 2020 9:06 pm

Well, even if he wasn’t thinking so well with the brain that’s inside his skull, at least his two little brains came up with something.

Thomho
May 6, 2020 11:07 pm

Your headline said “He is deified idiot who is not thinking with his head”

I suggest he was thinking with another part of his body some distance from his head

Do Americans use the expression we have in Australia of calling an idiot a “dickhead”? It seems very appropriate for this bloke.

Patrick MJD
May 6, 2020 11:31 pm

Brings a whole new meaning to Dickin’s Cider.

Vuk
May 7, 2020 2:19 am

Good old British ‘Carry On’ comedy strait out of the Pinewood Studios
Professor Sid James’ (Neil Ferguson) mother-in-law Hattie Jacques (Eileen Pirie) enter stage left to join Barbara Windsor (Antonia Staats) and her ‘odd’ hubby Kenneth Williams (Chris Lucas)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8294009/Neil-Fergusons-MOTHER-LAW-comes-defence-saying-believe-vilified.html

Roger Knights
May 7, 2020 7:03 am

That Josh cartoon is really memorable.

Jeffery P
May 7, 2020 7:12 am

I am certain Ferguson believes everything he says. He just believes it doesn’t apply to him, only us proles and drudges who are incapable of thinking for ourselves.

TimTheToolMan
May 7, 2020 3:09 pm

Only human

niceguy
May 7, 2020 6:34 pm

Anyone still maintains that the COVID farce was NOT a plot to accomplish a specific goal?

Don
May 7, 2020 7:02 pm

Apparently he did practise social distancing , he used a condom !