A MUST READ! Wow, the renewable light bulb of “great idea” over Michael Moore’s head just burned out. He’s trashing renewables in this new film Planet of the Humans.
On the 50th anniversary of EarthDay, the irony meter is pegged. It’s an epic take-down of the left’s love-affair with renewables by one of the left’s most known public figures. Full video follows. h/t to Dennis Wingo.
Via Forbes writer Michael Shellenberger
New Michael Moore-Backed Documentary On YouTube Reveals Massive Ecological Impacts Of Renewables
Over the last 10 years, everyone from celebrity influencers including Elon Musk, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Al Gore, to major technology brands including Apple, have repeatedly claimed that renewables like solar panels and wind farms are less polluting than fossil fuels.
But a new documentary, “Planet of the Humans,” being released free to the public on YouTube today, the 50th Anniversary of Earth Day, reveals that industrial wind farms, solar farms, biomass, and biofuels are wrecking natural environments.
“Planet of the Humans was produced by Oscar-winning filmmaker Michael Moore. “I assumed solar panels would last forever,” Moore told Reuters. “I didn’t know what went into the making of them.”
The film shows both abandoned industrial wind and solar farms and new ones being built — but after cutting down forests. “It suddenly dawned on me what we were looking at was a solar dead zone,” says filmmaker Jeff Gibbs, staring at a former solar farm in California. “I learned that the solar panels don’t last.”
Like many environmental documentaries, “Planet of Humans” endorses debunked Malthusian ideas that the world is running out of energy. “We have to have our ability to consume reigned in,” says a well-coiffed environmental leader. “Without some major die-off of the human population there is no turning back,” says a scientist.
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The film unearths a great deal of information I had never seen before. It shows Apple’s head of sustainability, former EPA head Lisa Jackson, claiming on-stage at an Apple event, “We now run Apple on 100% renewable energy,” to loud applause.
But Gibbs interviews a scientist who researched corporate renewables programs who said, “I haven’t found a single entity anywhere in the world running on 100% solar and wind alone.” The film shows a forest being cut down to build an Apple solar farm.
After Earth Day Founder Denis Hayes claims at a 2015 Earth Day concert that the event was being powered by solar, Gibbs goes behind the stage to find out the truth. “The concert is run by a diesel generation system,” the solar vendor said. “That right there could run a toaster,” said another vendor.
The film also debunks the claim made by Elon Musk that his “Gigafactory” to make batteries is powered by renewables. In fact, it is hooked up to the electric grid.
“Some solar panels are built to only last 10 years,” said a man selling materials for solar manufacturing at a corporate expo. “It’s not like you get this magic free energy. I don’t know that it’s the solution and here I am selling the materials that go in photovoltaics.”
“What powers a learning community?” said [Bill] MicKibben at the unveiling of a wood-burning power plant at Middlebury College in Vermont. “As of this afternoon, the easy answer to this is wood chips. It’s incredibly beautiful to look at the bunker of wood chips. Anything that burns we can throw in there! This shows that this could happen everywhere, should happen everywhere, and must happen everywhere!”
The film reveals that McKibben and Sierra Club supported a Michigan ballot initiative that would have required the state get 25% of its electricity from renewables by 2025, and that the initiative was backed by biomass industrial interests, and that efforts to build a biomass plant at Michigan State University were hotly opposed by climate activists — including ones from 350.org.
Read the full article here
The film:
The film description says:
Michael Moore presents Planet of the Humans, a documentary that dares to say what no one else will this Earth Day — that we are losing the battle to stop climate change on planet earth because we are following leaders who have taken us down the wrong road — selling out the green movement to wealthy interests and corporate America.
This film is the wake-up call to the reality we are afraid to face: that in the midst of a human-caused extinction event, the environmental movement’s answer is to push for techno-fixes and band-aids. It’s too little, too late. Removed from the debate is the only thing that MIGHT save us: getting a grip on our out-of-control human presence and consumption.
Why is this not THE issue? Because that would be bad for profits, bad for business. Have we environmentalists fallen for illusions, “green” illusions, that are anything but green, because we’re scared that this is the end—and we’ve pinned all our hopes on biomass, wind turbines, and electric cars? No amount of batteries are going to save us, warns director Jeff Gibbs (lifelong environmentalist and co-producer of “Fahrenheit 9/11” and “Bowling for Columbine”).
This urgent, must-see movie, a full-frontal assault on our sacred cows, is guaranteed to generate anger, debate, and, hopefully, a willingness to see our survival in a new way—before it’s too late.
Featuring: Al Gore, Bill McKibben, Richard Branson, Robert F Kennedy Jr., Michael Bloomberg, Van Jones, Vinod Khosla, Koch Brothers, Vandana Shiva, General Motors, 350.org, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sierra Club, the Union of Concerned Scientists, Nature Conservancy, Elon Musk, Tesla.
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The only reason Michael Moore would trash renewable energy would be to push an even worse idea.
Obviously, being a malthusian he wants to push the idea of “major die-off of the human population”.
IIRC this is exactly the opposite of what Michael Moore said at the premiere of this movie. That he refuses to let humanity die out in darkness and poverty. He was just arguing to save the environment and humanity the so-called “green” energy is definitively not the solution.
“Planet of the Humans was produced by Oscar-winning filmmaker Michael Moore. “I assumed solar panels would last forever,” Moore told Reuters. “I didn’t know what went into the making of them.”
How could anyone who pontificates on the subject not bother to find out how they were made?
Does the video mention the extreme environmental damage caused by the mining and processing of the rare earths and minerals needed to make many renewables and smart phones and laptops? Does anyone mention the stranglehold the Chinese have on the means of extraction and manufacture of batteries?
tonyb
“ The only reason Michael Moore would trash renewable energy would be to push an even worse idea.”
Entertainers, actors, etc., are soon forgotten unless they can keep their “name” in the headlines, …. spotlights.
Tonyb, yes Rare Earth mining in China has created enviro disaster, but mining and processing RE has been done efficiently and cleanly elsewhere. One of the premier operations, Molycorp with a ptoject at Mountain Pass, California operated for many decades. It was a victim of predatory pricing in China.
Even in China, most of the damage was done by illegal miners who dug pits in an unusually rich clay deposit (particularly with high value and rare heavy RE) and poured sulphuric acid in the pits. This liquid was then drawn out of the pits and the RE bulk precipitated as carbonates and the waste liquids with thorium and other undesirable elements simply dimped down a hill towards agricultural land below.
You can probably guess the same people pushing the green sos*hulist agenda are the creators of all the nasty bad news about mining, child labor, and other such topics. To not suspect much of this is like Moore “assuming” solar panels last forever.
I’ve taken Paul Driessen of CFACT to task for this type of thing, too, in his otherwise good articles on green excesses.
I am wondering if at any time in his film, did Moore confront the question of what would make an actual difference while supplying abundant CO2-emission-free power?
I am also wondering if there was an acknowledgement that, while these clowns were busy being wrong, there has been a large group of people who have consistently been correct, namely those in the skeptical community?
Because if those two questions are asked, the answer to making plenty of power without burning anything will be clear: Nuclear power plants, specifically a whole lot of new ones, and hydroelectric power plants, wherever it is possible to build them.
But I expect that people who have never been right about anything will be a long time coming around to recognizing that the people they have been telling to shut up, have been right all along.
Yes, the film actually did an admirable job of covering the ecological damage done by mining for the materials to manufacture supposedly “green” solutions, even to the point of showing children in Africa mining and processing cobalt.
They did an excellent job of validating many of the points that the “skeptic” community has been bringing up for years.
Of course the tilt wasn’t toward abandoning the movement, it was toward purging it of those horrible capitalist influences and continuing to work toward finding the “real” green solution.
At one point they implied that the real solution was to drastically reduce the human population. My thought is that all the people who buy into the green agenda should volunteer to kill themselves…problem solved all around.
ANTHONY: If you see this, I would suggest posting about this up above — also a new e mail to WUWTers giving notice would be good, too.
Today, 4/22/20 at 7PM, PDT, There will be a livestream with Moore and the film’s producers, Gibbs and Zehner — they will ANSWER AUDIENCE QUESTIONS.
Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBGcEK8FD3w
Note: Ask Ozzie Zehner is my recommendation — he will answer honestly and intelligently (although, with his usual anti-materialism bias).
(over an hour later)👀
Is this not being posted where all will see it because WUWT knows that we cannot actually ask questions of Zehner, Gibbs, and Moore? 🤔
Huh. Thought this would have been a great opportunity to get truth out. Oh. Well.🤷♀️
Yes. I watched the entire movie.
It was unbelievably honest about the failure of ‘green’ energy and the corruption of those who pushed it and are still pushing it.
The movie explains and shows what materials, processes, the energy, and how people are affected in the manufacture of materials that make up solar panels.
The movie shows that solar, wind, and particularly biomass is ….
… causing more environmental damage than just burning hydrocarbons.
It also shows the damage to the desert when the solar farm is built and the blowing sand that is left when the solar farm is torn down.
Biomass is mostly just cutting down trees and burning them. 60% of German’s green energy is biomass.
It showed renewable ‘green’ movement to be just about money. No care for the planet, people, or common sense.
Yeah but define “humanity.” If cornered, what you’d get out of Moore is an eventual admission that he only means himself and those who think like him.
Everyone else can die.
So nukes!
It’s a nobrainer, it’s always bee nukes. But then we know the brain trust strength on the green gobblers side.
Planned Population (PP)? Reducible, reusable, renewable colorful clumps of cells. That would be congruent with the Progressive Church, Pro-Choice religion, and Liberal ideology. #WickedSolution
You know full-on eugenics has been their dream for over 100 years.
Remember the answer to Malthus. “We didn’t raise ourselves out of the stone age because we ran out of rocks.” It was finding new and better ways to use what is available to us that allowed us to advance.
That balance to overreaching capitalism is conservation, not socialism or environmentalism.
What in your “opinion” is “overreaching capitalism”?
Capitalism that relies on things like government subsidies and legal mandates to create, maintain or increase profits.
Some would claim that isn’t “true” capitalism and that’s technically true, but it has about as much practical worth as the technical truth that the Democrat party platform isn’t “true” socialism
What we think about capitalism is based on the time in which we lived.
We lived during a time when capitalism worked. Capitalism works when countries are expanding and there is enough pie to go around.
Capitalism works as long is it is among equals and every country plays fair.
When a country becomes too big and, there are no checks and balances for the country in question, capitalism can be used to take over the world.
China has been allowed to cheat, steal technology, monopolize rare earth minerals, and take over the world economy using financial means, backed up by military force.
When the pie shrinks capitalism does not work as it cannot change fast enough.
The developed countries (GDP) has shrunk by 30% do the covid-19 isolation. China’s GDP was only shrunk 6% as they are continuing to manufacture.
When cities, states, and countries collapse and industries collapses, capitalism cannot change fast enough. It is exactly like being in a world war, except it is an economic war.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/22/mitch-mcconnell-floats-creating-bankruptcy-process-for-u-s-states/
I notice that didn’t bother to mention where the major die-offs need to occur (Asia) as that would be racist,xenophobic,politically incorrect etc.
They don’t need to. The work has already been done by the Optimum Trust aka Population Matters AKA David Attenborough et al.
Direct link to spreadsheet as the original website has disappeared:
https://web.archive.org/web/20100709235838/http://www.optimumpopulation.org/images/briefingfigs/opt.af.lpr02.tab2e.xls
What do you think, Sobaken, if Michael Moore would die, him being an excessive consumer of both energy and food, it would save five or six regular persons? Sorry, irresponsible speculation on my part.
Or we could float him out in front of the sun to cool the planet. If only we could prove its warming.
It’s a shame that he sees with 20/20 vision what is happening with the crony capitalists pushing unsustainable “green” tech, but then pushes the Malthus death cult. I can’t share this without finding a compelling video debunking the overpopulation and overconsumption arguments. Anybody have recommendations?
Yes and because my brain has not had enough coffee:
Hans Rosling’s Yardstick of Wealth – Don’t Panic – The Truth About Population on YouTube.
Thank You!
Regarding overpopulation, I suggest getting on a long distance airplane flight and spend the time looking down. Any notion that we are running out of room ought to quickly evaporate.
And regarding overconsumption, just have a look at statistics on agricultural production over time, as well as analyses of the amount of food which is never consumed but instead wasted.
Statistics on obesity worldwide and over time make it difficult to argue that there is no problem whatsoever with overconsumption, but this has more to do with abundant oversupply, overall prosperity, and a general tendency to not be particularly health conscious, and little to do with the ability of the planet to supply enough food. In fact it demonstrates the opposite, as do stats on wastage and on production: There is plenty of food, and immense capacity to greatly increase the supply if ever the need arose.
See this comment thread for a detailed look at a few aspects of agricultural productivity and the huge potential for increases in productivity yet to come:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/12/16/its-official-we-are-in-a-deep-solar-minimum/#comment-2872734
Example:
“Prior to 1940, 35 bushels per acre would have been a record.
Between the late 1930s and late 1950s, the trend was solidly up and a bad year in that time was above 35 bushels per acre.
By 1950 yields were near or above 40 every year, and must have seemed miraculous to old timers who had seen decade after decade of yields topping out under 35.
Around 1958 everything changed dramatically, and the trendlines shot rapidly up on a whole new trajectory.
By 1962 yields were never again below 60.
By 1970 years with close to and then above 80 appeared.
By the late 1970s years close to and then above 100 were achieved for the first time.
By 1989, yields close to 120 were occurring regularly.
The pace of improvements in yearly yields increased more sharply, although so to did variability.
The higher the numbers have gone, the larger the amount between a good and a bad year, although the overall increases were so fast that bad years were still great by standards of a few years prior.
1988 was far below trend, but it would have been a record year for yields prior to 1970.
1995 was the last time yields were as low as ~100 (slightly above), but within a few years the first harvest of 140 bushels per acre was achieved.
This year 167 bushels per acres was below trend!
2017 and 2018 had yields around 176 or so.
Source:
https://www.agry.purdue.edu/ext/corn/news/timeless/YieldTrends.html
How high can the numbers go?
Well, it needs to be pointed out that these numbers are all averages for the entire country.
What about the records set by individual farmers in a given season?
Where are those records in recent years?
Hold on to your hat if you never knew about any of this, because individual farmers have for many years been achieving yields far in excess of national average.
Several times more!
In 2003 a guy grew 322 bushels per acre on his contest plot to win that years record.
“The short answer is, “Yes!” Many growers are producing yields over 300 bu/acre every year. Some of these producers are represented in the National Corn Growers Yield Contest every year. Contest winners from across the country typically produce between 250 to 350 bushels per acre per year. In 2006, seven of the 27 national winners produced over 300 bu/acre with the highest yield of 347 bu/acre coming from Purdy, MO. National contest winners have rarely yielded more than 350 bu/acre, yet yields of 360-370 bu/acre have been documented. Yields of 300 bu/acre are possible with today’s genetics, excellent management, and stress-free environments. The difficulty is in producing yields of this caliber on a large scale. Unfortunately, most producers do not have the right combination of these three factors to produce 300 bushels per acre.
Iowa’s average corn yield was 166 bu/acre in 2006, which is just slightly above the 30-year trend line. Our highest average yield was 181 bu/acre in 2004. Iowa is increasing yield at approximately 2 bushels per acre per year”
From a Feb 2007 article:
https://crops.extension.iastate.edu/encyclopedia/are-we-capable-producing-300-buacre-corn-yields
In 2017 he grew over 542 bushels per acre on his contest plot!
The guy who did this is farming land in Virginia that was first cultivated in 1609 and has been farmed ever since!
His farm includes land that was part of the original Jamestown colony Mainland Farms.
Source:
https://www.morningagclips.com/va-farmer-remains-corn-wars-record-holder/
Here is more from that guy, David Hula, in 2018:
”
In the 2017 National Corn Growers Association Yield Contest, Charles City, Va. farmer David Hula scored the highest yield ever: a whopping 542.270 bushels per acre. At this year’s North Carolina Commodities Conference in Durham Jan. 11 he shared some of the steps that got him there.”
That plane ride should also silence the “we is cutting downs all da treeees” crowd, too.
Imagine also if all the acres assigned to growing crops for ethanol were used for food instead, imagine the entire world having a weight/diabetes/heart problem?
Malthus was and continues to be wrong, Moore still only gets part of the story right, he still believes the world is coming to an end due to CO2 so his basic premise is still wrong
Let’s hope that Covid-19 isn’t just a test run for partial-extinction by the Chicom totalitarians. Pre-prepare vaccinations for only those who “deserve” to survive.
That, or someday, just a leftist extremist suicide cult pushing a religion of self-hate and “green” purification.
How the heck can we put the germ warfare genie back in the bottle?
You could be equally concerned that a righty extremist religious cult, pushing for a cull of non-believers & anybody they consider to be moral degenerates & impure.
Even if you could find such a group, finding one that is control of a government would be even harder.
Um, Iran much? They put a satellite up successfully this week. Maybe to have a little fun with an EMP burst or something? If you think the SHTF with Covid, imagine what ELSE is out there . . .
Ya mean islam? I could see the Mad Mullahs doing exactly such.
Anyone who wants that should volunteer to go first. Then again (looking at him), maybe he already has.
Indeed. Here in District 12, rumour has it Mike and the Malthusians are rooting for Team Virus in the Pandemic Games.
SARS CoV-2 has an affinity for the round people like MM.
Mike & The Mechanics – All I Need Is A Miracle
No. Michael Moore calls it the way he sees it. Very few people on the left thought President Trump would be elected. Moore thought he would and told us why. link
Jonathan Pie makes the same argument as Moore.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=jonathan+pie+why+trump+won&docid=608030595507226862&mid=0C871A42844B5B5257260C871A42844B5B525726&view=detail&FORM=VIRE
Both of them have a far better understanding of the internal failings of the Left than any of the so-called media talking heads.
There is a definite correlation with bad teeth. A few of the people in that movie ought to lay off the meth.
It’s probably caused by veganism.
If Moore were a vegan, he would look like he was starving to death, because that is what vegans do. Starve.
Yes, he does call it how he sees it.
This is why he usually sounds like a try hard desperately trying to impress the cool kids at school.
What was his take a few years ago when all the Democrats dressed in white for no logically good reason?
“Trump must look out at the sea of white and think of the White Walkers coming to get him”
Game of Thrones references. Yeah, that aged well. Apart from the fact the White Walkers were ultimate personification of mindless evil (nice backhand insult there Micky), GoT fluffed the landing so badly that even the Star Wars franchise mocks it.
All we are seeing here is the Left eating itself.
Good for Michael Moore. The pudgy pessimist has opinions and isn’t afraid to share them. Every now and then his musings resemble reality.
Never have liked Michael Moore and probably never will. I’ll give him credit here for very graphically documenting the farce of green energy. That is something everyone who got an education, as opposed just going to school, can support.
It’s funny the “true” disciples of the green movement have no problem buying into the controversial, polluting high tech, but think it’s sinful for some people to profit off of trying to make a buck doing exactly what they(the greenies) say they want.
Unfortunately Moore ignored nuclear power which can certainly do all the things needed to “go green”. But he wandered off into the “limits of growth” instead of looking up to the spars. The world really desperately needs to establish an off-planet colony just to fend off a complete extinction from the inevitable comet or meter strike.
To be sure there’s an element of Strange New Respect for Michael Moore.
However, the unspoken solution he’s proposing is forced “de-growth” and at best a long-term massive depopulation through sterilization and attrition. Other options would make Stalin and Mao blush. The cure he proposes (or alludes to) is worse than the disease.
Experience in the First World would suggest that giving everybody in the world a First World life (i.e. cheap energy) would lead to a decrease in human population, without having to murder anybody.
The de-growth and attrition are already under way in all Western countries and Japan, and are being accelerated by the virus. Young people are not getting married and having children, they are living single in marginal gig-economy jobs, drowning in student debt. The populations of all the developed countries are aging to the point where very soon those of working age won’t be able to support the burden of pensioners (unless the retirement age rises considerably). The Left has made sacraments out of abortion, homosexuality, and confused sex characteristics. Cultural functional adolescence now extends to the latter childbearing years.
The Western processed diet is so bad infertility and low sperm counts are becoming “normal.”
The individual’s education in biology, geology, history, anthropology is now nonexistent
We’ll be lucky if we humans don’t go extinct from listening to the crazy voices.
I don’t think the film is advocating “population reduction” or anything of the sort. I think it’s a given that civilization has been able to develop to its current state because of fossil fuels in the last 200 years or so.
“Green” alternatives are thoroughly trashed, and no alternatives are offered as a solution. That wasn’t the point of the documentary. The question left out there is how, and with what, do we replace fossil fuels and the thousands of products derived from them in the year XXXX? Fossil fuels may last a long time, but they ARE finite. It’s not just the energy from them we use.
The only reason Michael Moore would release his film online for free would be that he couldn’t get it distributed. It obviously doesn’t follow the alarmist religion mantra. He must have really worried the global warming industry that they were going to have their green gravy train fakery exposed. By denying him distribution they have effectively done a ‘green’ version of ‘Me Too’ on him and must have really p’d him off for Moore to telease it free online on ‘earth day’.
But…’Blood and Gore’..inspired!
Whenever I see mike I can only recall his guest appearance in Team America: World Police
‘Merica! F**k Yea! That movie smacked everybody around, especially Matt Damon, and the majority of people really just didn’t get it.
Michael Moore’s new film has looked behind the curtain, switched on the light and revealed the awful truths behind the Warmistas’ planet-saving’ ‘renewable’ energy fraud disaster. Michael deserves credit for this. Just a bit more work and he will discover that the whole ‘Climate Change’ CO2 fiasco is also a fraud of even bigger proportions.
Maybe Michael Moore is growing up and developing the common sense that comes with age. We’ll see if he votes for Trump in the fall.
Would help if he figures out that nuclear power is the best way to decrease the non-threat of CO2.
hey like him or not, if you could get the idiot young greenbelievers to see gore n mckibben and branson exposed for the lying bast*rds they are…thats gotta be a good thing
ditto the lies about the solar setups and the rest
WE all know this
too many of the gullibles dont
and Moore has respect from a lot of the idealogic kiddies
as for depop well can you REALY say that india africa china etc wouldnt be far better off with less people
ditto many mid east and even other areas of dense populations
educating women and allowing them to limit the kids they bear to enable better lives for the ones they DO choose to have instead is a win win.
less famine disease and overcrowding, more for the lesser amount rather than bugger all for all
Covid is going to do it for us in some spots
and if not this bug then another one.
This is Michael Moore – Don’t be Michael Moore.
Michael has discovered the favored crony capitalist industries aspect of this urgent cause that enriches the few at the expense of so many others, from rare earth mining children, to energy starved Africans, to taxpayer funded subsidies for that next great breakthrough that will surely make it all sustainable. He has always and still hates the captains of industry and has finally noticed another den of them in his own back yard.
I can’t call our friend Mike here a quick study if he is only lately catching on to the unsustainability of so-called ‘renewable’ energy sources to either construct themselves in the first place without the use of a lot of coked coal (to produce the steel), petroleum (for composite plastic windmill blades and transport to the site), or CO2 release (from cement production for the concrete to anchor the huge towers in); much less deconstruct and replace themselves in kind at the end of each generation of their service life. And he also comes rather late to the party in identifying the windfall profit-hungry hypocrisy of deceitful green celebrities so many years after the collapse of the likes of Solyndra where upper management made out like bandits for a time on presidentially commended gu’mint subsidy.
In addition his continuing lack of inquiry into the premises of a manmade CO2 climate crisis still leaves him confounded in a fundamental delusion. Nor is his faith in replacing capitalism with a socialist structure borne out by the historical record of those regimes’ effects on their natural surroundings. So this is light years from a true repentance, but this video may still make some servile heads explode nonetheless. But the concluding sympathetic display of deforested ‘orange men’ (orangutans) even undermines the automatic ‘orange man bad’ reflex we’ve come to expect. What were they thinking?
As I have said for many years, global warming is an oil industry promoted project. What is really happening in America is that coal is being replaced by natural gas.
Look at the graph and listen to the commentary from the film here
https://youtu.be/Zk11vI-7czE?t=1675
Nuclear power plants. That’s the answer for everyone on either side of the CO2 issue.
Your comment and Eric’s make me laugh. It’s why the fraud continues. Margaret Thatcher didn’t get on board because she was concerned that England might get warmer.
Look beyond the so-called “ground state” of the electron … this is unexplored territory. Even as far back as 1897 it was considered: http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?bibcode=1897ApJ…..6..233R&db_key=AST&page_ind=0&data_type=GIF&type=SCREEN_VIEW&classic=YES
Next you will be pushing zero point energy.
re: “Next you will be pushing zero point energy.”
Dumb phucker, what is that? Maybe you know, which is TRULY scary …
I cite a historical work as basis to start a conversion, and you post that kind of shite response. Shame, maximum shame.
Except your link is no good, possibly because of WordPress.
There’s an SG-1 post I’ve been procrastinating on for a year. Maybe soon. Correction SG Atlantis.
The ZPM (zero point module) of the Ancients was in both, introduced in SG-1 and carried to Atlantis.
You’re Good.
🙂
The correction was that my post, should I complete it, will be on SG Atlantis. Of course they both had ZPMs
MM: “I didn’t know.”
But you said you did. See, that’s lying.
I’d mark that up as he may not have known what he didn’t know.
Many people on the left are sheep and believe everything they’re told. When he actually looked into the matter, he found out what he didn’t know.
I think we need to fact check it and see how well it stands up to scrutiny. He has biases and agendas that need to be double checked.
What he does know but what seems to remain and unkown unkown on the right is: “the only thing that MIGHT save us: getting a grip on our out-of-control human presence and consumption.”
Many “on the left” have realised that renewable energy/ev is at best going to merely kick the can down the road a few years.
lets try: an unknown unknown…
What is something the village idiot would say?
I’m interested. Who else on the left is saying so?
Sy, Mike Moore is not the first lefty to realise that the increased economic activity due to expanding renewable energy just means more urban sprawl, more happy motoring to Walmart and increasing, unsustainable mining of the biosphere.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/09/06/the-path-to-clean-energy-will-be-very-dirty-climate-change-renewables/
Those of you on the Left just love dangerous ideas, such as all forms of Socialism and the notion that too many human beings exist.
How is it that you see yourselves as being the ones in control of the lives of others, but never as being among the populations which must be reduced?
So I see. Loydo your world has no winners where humanity is concerned. That seems as unfortunate as it is surely incorrect.
I’m glad you come here. You’ve got some b*lls to do it. I sure hope over time you see the error of your side.
Loydo,
“increased economic activity due to expanding renewable energy just means more urban sprawl, more happy motoring to Walmart and increasing, unsustainable mining of the biosphere.”
What makes you think we are seeing increasing unsustainable mining of the biosphere?
As technology increases we actually mine *less* for most materials. The telephone companies no longer have millions of miles of copper cable in the ground, that’s been replaced by either fiber optics (freely available sand) or by wireless technology. We use less silver, gold and just about anything you can think of than we used to. Steel panels on autos are being replaced by fiberglass or plastic. We no longer have a multitude of farmers farming 100 acres, all requiring a tractor and other equipment. That’s been cut down by at least an order of magnitude thus lessening our need for all the various component ores and such.
I could go on and on but you won’t believe it so it would be a waste of time.
Sy, I’m on the “side” of science.
Btw, bau, urban sprawl, happy motoring to Walmart and increasing, unsustainable mining of the biosphere just ended, did you notice?
I’m not so sure. I’m an evidence guy, or so I like to believe (*mah!*) and it seems to me at this point you’re still one of the faithful. I’ll grant you it’s getting warmer, but why, how much more, and if that’s even a bad thing in the first place real science can’t possibly say right now.
A great primer that also brings humor to the subject matter is here: https://tinyurl.com/ya4tm85j
And yep I did notice, as pretty much everyone has. The natives are becoming restless, and who can blame them?
The thing about unsustainability as I think you mean it is such a thing is unsustainable if your kids and their progeny hope to live happy, healthy lives. All things being equal, I believe they ought to have the opportunity. I know you do too. But your way’s gonna make it more difficult than the evidence (right now) suggests is necessary.
“…“the only thing that MIGHT save us: getting a grip on our out-of-control human presence and consumption…”
Seems like your presence and consumption are out-of-control.
Doesn’t matter how much more responsible humans get…it is never going to be enough for you.
If the “many ‘on the left'” did truly realize that and were honest, they’d STFU then.
Those on the left want to control other people’s consumption, only because they want it for themselves.
And here comes loydo to prove Jeff right.
Neither our presence, nor our consumption is out of control.
Many on the left, know lots of stuff that was never true. That’s what makes them so dangerous in large crowds.
Get back in your grandma’s basement.
Correct point, Mark. Loydo and the rest of the Malthusians have no understanding. Speaking of flattening the curve, the real problem is coming when the population curve flattens and begins falling. It doesn’t take long to crash when the replacement rate falls to European levels. There won’t be any need to “populate the stars” nor will it be possible. Humans will sputter out into a truly dystopian future with an ever-smaller population. Many seem to think that is a good thing. I think that human propagation is paramount. Obviously, while also taking care of our home.
Funny how the left argue we have too many people, then want to bring the people that breed like flies to the places where they are unconstrained to do so.
They cheer when one of their own wishes he would be reincarnated as a deadly virus, but then insist we do whatever possible to make sure no one dies ever, from anything, if they can squeeze one more breathe out of their life.
They claim we need to winnow the herd, but then enact policies that make sure even the least fit can easily survive.
Now…I am not taking the opposite side in any of this, just pointing out how what they say and what they do are at many instances diametrically opposed.
And I am not excluding those on the other side of the aisle from any hint of hypocrisy.
Sheep, you go first, i’ll follow
No, he can go first, only the stupid will follow. Natural Selection at its finest.
Moronic statement. It’s been around for a few years and it made energy less reliable and more expensive. It is also already known, that it did nothing, nada zero to reduce CO2 at all, thank goodness. How is that “at best going to merely kick the can down the road a few more years”?
Renewable energy, is like kicking an own goal
Loy-doh! does that all the time.
“the only thing that MIGHT save us: getting a grip on our out-of-control human presence and consumption.”
“we need to get a grip on our out-of-control human presence” translation “we need less people” which invariably what is meant is less of *other* people but not me or my fellow travellers.
My response: you first Loydo, until you practice what you preach and are willing to be among the first of the people to be “lessened”, your anti-human screed isn’t worth listening to or taken seriously.
Jeff Mitchell, it’s OK to give the best information you have, not knowing that it’s wrong. But there’s a higher standard when you say you’re an expert and you start telling other people to act on your information. The lie is not, “X is true,” but “Trust me; I know X is true. Change your life accordingly.”
Correct. And Moore caught McKibben obviously aware that he was lying in a couple of clips (asked to comment on biomass impact, asked who are 350.org’s major sources of funding). Watch the cringeworthy body language.
We might say of skeletor Bill “This Rump is temporarily closed”. He’s been exposed as the ass we’ve always known him to be. He’ll be back though.
Ref. https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/01/09/its-about-time-exxon-launches-counterattack-against-california-based-climate-conspiracy-lawsuits/
It is no coincidence, suggests Klein, that several environmental organisations have also championed climate policies that are the least burdensome to the energy industry, including generously designed
carbon markets and the use of natural gas as a bridge to a cleaner energy system.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e373bd70-3d8e-11e4-b782-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3IlD0mBsv
“Solar is cheap” according to green propaganda.
Well, one part of that price is the level of industry sector salary in China, another part is the level of pollution regulation in China, another is the working conditions of the extraction sector in Africa…
From the film: “Have you ever wondered what would happen if a single species took over an entire planet?”
Meaning that humans have taken over the planet Earth in the Anthropocene.
Please scroll down to Part (6)
https://tambonthongchai.com/2020/03/30/the-humans-must-save-the-planet/
(6) THE IRRELEVANCE OF HUMANS ON A PLANETARY SCALE
“In terms of total weight, humans constitute 0.05212% of the total mass of life on earth.”
How is framing this as a question “of total weight” not fatuous and misleading? What fraction of the biosphere is an irrelevant virus?
This is the trouble and misunderstanding you get into when engineers start opining about biology.
Now that thar is funny, given that loydo knows nothing about either engineering nor biology.
And from the quality of her posts, she has managed to reach left wing nirvana, she knows absolutely nothing about absolutely everything.
Ze’s paid to pander this nonsense. Griff by any other name.
(It isn’t Griff, he was put on Moderation, then got banned) SUNMOD
SUNMON, I don’t think Cube was claiming Loydo was Griff specifically. It was more of using Griff as a particular type of poster. Hence the riffing on the “rose by any other name” line. Loydo is just another “rose” same as all the others (and thus no different than Griff in that regard) no matter what handle he/she/it/any of the 57+ other made up options goes by.
You mean Griff got banned instead of just going away because he didn’t want to register to post, like he said he would?
The reason I ask is because I haven’t seen anything Griff did to get himself banned. People are not normally banned for being wrong, as far as I know, they are banned for being obnoxious or otherwise unfriendly. If he were going to be banned for being obnoxious, he should have been banned after he trashed Dr. Susan Crockford, but he wasn’t, and I haven’t seen him do anything like that since that time (he was roundly criticized for those comments about Crockford), so I guess I’m just kind of curious as to what Griff did..
We miss you Mr. Griffin. You are always good for a lot of rebuttal posts.
(He posted that he was never coming back, then recants a few months later. Then he did it again, this time with some blog wide insults on the members themselves, along with his declaration he will never come back. He again in a few weeks wanted to post comments, I told him, he is now banned because of his past statements of wanting to stay away, and blog wide insults.)
SUNMOD
Griff was far more intelligent than Loy-doh ! 😉
Loy seems to be the scrapping from the bottom of a stagnant trough.
Thanks for that info SUNMOD.
Hahaha! Wheeee-doagie yeah, that’s it! You tell ‘im there budrow-fre’doh! I mean, who goes about “kicking an own goal” like Loydo, right?
Right?!?
Yepper . . . you told ‘im alrighty dincha son?
You get even more ridiculous statements when someone like Loy-doh , who is neither a biologist or an engineer, and never will be, start making comments.
Poor fella exhibits a total lack of rational thought..
Poor fella, aww thanks fred.
That you Loy… DOH !!
Yep we finally caught up to ants.
And the trouble you get when biologists, maths teachers, physicians, politicians, churnalists, cartoonists, historians, psychologists, Loydos, etc. start opining about climate change.
And English majors, don’t forget the English majors. Particularly the drive-by kinds 😀
English majors- both Gore and McKibben at Hah-vid!
I will believe renewables can power our society when I see a plant that makes solar panels and/or wind turbines powered exclusively 24/7/365 with wind or solar power.
Careful.
If renewables cost, for the sake of argument, 100% of their lifetime’s output, and let’s put their lifetime at a generous 20 years, you could produce 5% of the existing outputs per year. The next year you have 5% x 105% (having increased output capacity) so 5.25% of the original capacity.
That grows every year. The only problem is that capacity actually degrades a bit each year, but you get the point.
Unfortunately, you will do nothing at all but produce more renewables, and no actual benefits to anything or anyone. BUT you will get what you defined, without actually meeting your stated goal. AND the ecoloons would trumpet their ‘success’ very loudly through the Mendacious Sensationalist Media.
You just described something akin to cancer, me thinks… 🙂
Not only the intermittancy, but also the land usage is huge when you try to source energy above ground instead extracting from underground or from atomic energy. Here is what New York is going to need after it closes its Indian Point nuclear power plant:
Details at https://rclutz.wordpress.com/2020/04/18/new-york-nukes-itself/
They should surround Albany with wind turbines. At least then it would drown out all of the hot air emanClarksvilleating from the capitol.
To Moore and his friends, humans are essentially the “coronavirus” that is infecting Gaia…
Mines and quarries and dams/reservoirs are “scars upon the land.”
Towns and suburbs are “urban blight.”
People are net consumers of energy and materials, devouring the planet’s resources and producing nothing worthwhile.
And in keeping with that rationale, that we are a blight on the world, Babies should be and are being aborted…
To me every mind, every life, is a wonder of potentiality….with knowledge, wisdom, and faith there’s nothing that new life, new mind, can not make better. Each new sould is part of the Crown of Creation.
Gaia has a habit of rearranging things in a number of ways, like scrapping away the surface under a mile of ice.
Yes, would be nice to avoid that for bit yet
“Michael Moore presents Planet of the Humans, a documentary that dares to say what no one else will…”
Ha ha ha ha… You’ve got to be kidding me.
Who has he been denigrating all these years if this is true?
Somehow, coming from Michael Moore, I think this is impressive. A good example of how some people, considering themselves as environmentalists (apparently such as Michael Moore), when they try to know a little more and go after the whole picture of the available information, finally they see the light!! He has all my respect.
Well I will go this far. I liked when he said Trump will be president and I like that he found out how wrong he was about green energy. The rest, not so much.
“… we are losing the battle to stop climate change on planet earth … in the midst of a human-caused extinction event … our out-of-control human presence and consumption … a willingness to see our survival in a new way—before it’s too late …”.
This utter garbage is just crying out for a ‘H!tler rant parody’.
https://www.youtube.com/user/hitlerrantsparodies
(I am NOT related to Mr. M. Moore)
Lol — and George Carlin should get top billing:
George Carlin — Saving the Planet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W33HRc1A6c
(Warning: foul language — but, you probably guessed that, lol)
And we have the CONCEIT to think that somehow we’re a THREAT?? (at 3:01)
I know. Like the road we’re suppose to go down is the one the Squirrel Lady says we go down.
Attaboy Mike Moore, you finally realized that our conclusions of 2002 were correct – only 18 years too late.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/04/15/in-favor-of-epistemic-trespassing/#comment-2967107
[excerpt]
Regarding expertise, I suggest the best objective measure of one’s competence is one’s predictive track record, and the predictive track record of the global warming alarmists has been consistently wrong for the past ~40 years – every one of their very-scary predictions of runaway global warming and climate catastrophe has FAILED TO HAPPEN. Nobody should believe the warmists – about anything
Furthermore, I suggest that “No rational person could be this stupid for this long” – the warmists have a covert agenda. The Green New Deal socialist ravings of the US Democratic Party now make that agenda obvious – it is the end of our Western economic model, to be replaced by the proven failures of the socialist dictatorships. The warmists are utterly incompetent climate scientists – but they are very good at inciting false public hysteria to promote their extremist political objectives – we call that treason.
Back in 2002, we wrote that runaway global warming was a false crisis, and green energy was not green and produced little useful (dispatchable) energy – both those statements are correct-to-date. We also predicted that global cooling would start by 2020-2030, and crop planting has been one-month late across the Great Plains of North America for the past two years, and there was a huge crop failure last year.
ALLAN MACRAE April 21, 2020 at 6:01 pm:
You have made many falsifiable statements that have failed to be falsified!
Good on you!
Thank you Mario.
Watch the planting dates across the Great Plains of North America this year. If we get three late-planting years in a row or one more major crop failure like 2019, then it’s time to worry about global cooling, not global warming.
My friend Joe D’Aleo and I discussed this subject recently – we’ll soon see.
Best regards, Allan
THE REAL CLIMATE CRISIS IS NOT GLOBAL WARMING, IT IS COOLING, AND IT MAY HAVE ALREADY STARTED
By Allan M.R. MacRae and Joseph D’Aleo, October 27, 2019
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/10/27/the-real-climate-crisis-is-not-global-warming-it-is-cooling-and-it-may-have-already-started/
Good stuff Allan. You and others at WUWT do the hard work so lazy, but concerns people can follow the logic.
I watch the same, i garden here in calgary, I see wet and cold and when September comes I’m worried about snow and my tomatoes are still green, meanwhile crops are rotting in the fields as they are late to due to the cold
It used to be hot and dry in the 80’s and 90’s around here
Evidence if global cooling? Told you so – 18 years ago.
Allan MacRae published on September 1, 2002, based on a conversation with Dr. Tim Patterson:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/01/10/polar-sea-ice-changes-are-having-a-net-cooling-effect-on-the-climate/#comment-63579
“If [as we believe] solar activity is the main driver of surface temperature rather than CO2, we should begin the next cooling period by 2020 to 2030.”
Allan MacRae modified his global cooling prediction in 2013:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/02/study-predicts-the-sun-is-headed-for-a-dalton-like-solar-minimum-around-2050/#comment-1147149
“I suggest global cooling starts by 2020 or sooner. Bundle up.”
https://electroverse.net/category/extreme-weather/
https://electroverse.net/earths-temperature-plunged-in-march/
https://electroverse.net/arctic-april-grips-in-north-america/
https://electroverse.net/upper-midwest-snow-sierra-nevada-to-see-4-feet-nh-snow-mass/
https://electroverse.net/incredible-north-america-snow-extent/
https://electroverse.net/se-europe-coldest-april-morning-in-a-decade/
https://electroverse.net/se-europe-coldest-april-morning-in-a-decade/
https://electroverse.net/severe-spring-frosts-destroy-crops-across-europe/
https://electroverse.net/norway-battered-by-snowstorm-after-snowstorm/
https://electroverse.net/bone-chilling-cold-sweeps-northeast-russia/
https://electroverse.net/super-rare-spring-snow-blankets-greece/
https://electroverse.net/china-unprecedented-spring-blizzards-trap-people-in-their-cars-and-homes/
https://electroverse.net/april-blizzard-buries-iceland-under-5-ft-1-5-m-of-snow/
https://electroverse.net/norway-breaks-snowfall-records/
https://electroverse.net/greenland-has-gained-27-gigatons-of-snow-and-ice-over-the-past-5-days/
Some imbeciles will blames this cooling on increasing atmospheric CO2. Wrong.
Well Allan: This year could be a year of years for you wrt falsifiable prediction,
So much major disturbing news. Greta will probably go away… (disturbing for some). Planet of the Humans (disturbing for some), Cooling starting this year (disturbing for many), the WuFlu (good news for the Left). It will be a bag of mixed emotions.
It’s interesting times… oil at an all time low price and high abundance, may turn to being our ongoing savior if they don’t kill the fossil fuel industry.
Michael Moore’s next movie title recommendation:
“My Awakening, How Fossil Fuel saves the Planet of the Humans.”
Mike Moore finally gets it right… and gets cancelled by the extreme left. Who is the distributor who censored Mike’s latest film?
I have two engineering degrees and career in energy. I will compare my energy achievements with anyone on the planet, and I say Mike Moore is essentially correct in this film.
A GREEN ENERGY PRIMER – WIND AND SOLAR ENERGY BOTH FAIL DUE TO 1) INTERMITTENCY AND 2) DIFFUSIVITY.
1) Intermittency means the sun doesn’t shine and the wind doesn’t blow 24/7, and the electric grid needs reliable dispatchable generation, not generation that goes up and down uncontrollably. Battery storage is touted by warmists as the solution, but it does not economically exist at grid-scale – they might as well rely on unicorns to solve the intermittency problem.
2) Diffusivity means it takes far too much land area to replace conventional energy with wind and/or solar generation –it would take fully ~10% of all the land area in Britain to do so. In the USA, this 10% would total about 300,000 square miles, or all of Connecticut, Delaware, Indiana, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Ohio, South Carolina, Tennessee and Virginia.
Energy experts have known these facts since ~forever – my co-authors and I published them in 2002 – but a leftist lie goes around the world ten times before the truth gets its boots on.
Regards, Allan
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DISTRIBUTOR PULLS MICHAEL MOORE’S NEW FILM OVER MISINFORMATION ALLEGATIONS
April 25, 2020
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/04/25/distributor-pulls-michael-moores-new-film-over-misinformation-allegations-913149
[excerpt]
Left-wing filmmaker Michael Moore has had his latest film taken down by the distributor over allegations of misinformation.
Coinciding with the celebration of Earth Day, Moore’s film, “Planet of the Humans,” was released this week on YouTube for free, and addressed green energy sources and other issues in the environmental movement.
But Oscar-nominated director and filmmaker Josh Fox launched a campaign against the film, asking people to sign a letter “demanding an apology and an immediate retraction by the [film’s] producers, director and other advocates.”
The distributor agreed to pull it on Friday after reportedly not having seen the finished product before release.
Ironically, the attacks on Moore for the film came from left-wing climate activists who took issue with his portrayal of green energy. The film essentially trashed the idea of wind power, solar power and electric vehicles, among other things, arguing that many of the sources of renewable energy are actually quite damaging to the environment.
Allan: Re: “…pulls film” I just checked and see that the link still works. The film has reached 2.2million plus. Is the film out in other venues that can be pulled?
PS: I am a process control engineer and agree with your assessments.
This is the distributor who cancelled Mike Moore’s latest film – and then reversed and decided to not do so after all. Much ado about nothing.
FILMS FOR ACTION’S STATEMENT ON PLANET OF THE HUMANS
Why we took it down. Why we ultimately decided to put it back up (including this note). Plus our critiques and thoughts on the film.
By Films For Action / filmsforaction.org / Apr 25, 2020
https://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/films-for-actions-statement-on-planet-of-the-humans/#.XqS8nYXbsD4.twitter
Thanks Allan: From the site, this quote is what is wrong with the world. “It’s not obvious how misleading the film is simply from watching it. Reading reviews and critiques of the film is pretty much required. ”
Basically, “Don’t watch the film and form your own opinion, but instead, let other opinion pieces tell you what to think.”
“Regarding expertise, I suggest the best objective measure of one’s competence is one’s predictive track record”
Good point, Alan. Moore did predict a Trump win! A thing he did not want to happen. This sets him aside from most. For what it’s worth, I think Michael shows himself to be a scrupulously honest fellow. He’s misguided to be sure, but this proves him to be intelligent and sincere. Like predicting a Trump win, once he gets the facts straight, he is fearless and forthright.
Moreover, he’s unwittingly close to seeing the building blocks of the whole climate agenda – the Champagne Soshulists and corporate schmoozing behind it all. He’s got the actors right, but only the small half of the whole story …little nudge…?
Good movie and actually quite accurate in it representations.
MM is not a fan of capitalism but most in the green movement will be hugely concerned by that alliance.
Another brick in the wall to the destruction of that green myth.
“MM is not a fan of capitalism”
His bank manager is though.
I may be in a small minority here, but I’ve never bought into the notion that MM is a leftard. He uses the free market system to sell semi-idiotic products to leftard idiots and get rich. Similarly, it’s only leftards who phonily pronounce that people like Bill Gates and Richard Branson are non-free market leftists – they don’t themselves, they just give phony cheesy smiles.
MM is just a guy trying to make a buck on his documentaries by making them “edgy”.
“Good movie and actually quite accurate in it representations.”
Not regarding biomass- which is a very good energy source!
to clarify- I meant woody biomass derived from professionally managed forestry
It would seem people are green, but not green about the political myths of Green.
And it would seem CO2 is the ultimate green molecule!
When the left says it wants to kill two billion people to make the world a better place, you should believe them .
And the vast majority of them are those funny little brown and yellow people:
https://tambonthongchai.com/2019/10/14/racism/
I’m confused. What’s the difference between ‘earth day’ and ‘earth hour’?
Will Mauritius crank it up to eleven for ‘earth day’?
“What’s the difference between ‘earth day’ and ‘earth hour’?”
The difference is the length of time you are supposed to leave all of the lights in your house turned on.
Dish Network, the satellite television broadcaster is running an Earth Day channel for a month. All it amounts to is animated scenes of various places on Earth which rotate in and out of view every few minutes. Nice artwork. Not much else.
Doesn’t that defeat the purpose?
(Sigh) And here, I was hoping I would not have to get out my Grandma’s oil lamps, get new wicks and chimneys for them, and add two to each room that needs a light. I guess Lehman’s will be hearing from me before long.
Just glad I have enough sense to NOT get rid of my old-fashioned gas stove – NOT the kind that has the convection oven, you see. If you have a stove with a convection oven and the electric power grid goes out, the gas valves won’t open. Do NOT get a stove with a convection oven. You might want to heat some soup or day-old coffee in a wintertime power outage.
Must have been painful for Mr. Moore to discover that he’d been lied to for so long, eh?
My oven has convection and non-convection settings, a GE gas oven
Are you saying if power is off the gas won’t flow?
I’ve never tried it
One side effect of “the job” is that with time, one ends up with a very fine tuned “BS” detection radar. As consequence, instinctively, like many in the trade, I ask myself if I’m comfortable to work with this or that person behind a closed door at 38’000 feet on a dark night over a clueless waterbody with the responsibility of that many souls at the back..
Facial expression, body language, intonation, all is somehow instinctively evaluated and can trigger high-priority mental warnings that from this point on, trust,reliance and confidence are out of the equation.
A very self-aware and exhausting day at the office ensues as reliable workload sharing can not be safely established and sustained.
Exactly the kind of alert that triggers when I perceive any green proponent, spokesman, PR folk, politician, activist even with the sound turned off.
I mean is it really that difficult to realize that these guys are downright con artists or zombies on a mission?
Face it, is it really that hard to figure out what’s behind the scenes, why they all act and talk in a way that even “Honest Joe, pre-owned cars salesman” can’t achieve?
Or is that greens silently exploit the consequences of a rampant oligophrenia pandemic?
Watched the movie. It does a good job of exposing the fallacies of green energy and the hypocrisy of anti-fossil fuel organizations and leaders. It does, however, carefully avoid any mention of nuclear energy as an alternative and ultimately pushes a Malthusian/Ehrlichian world view. Too bad Mr. Gibbs didn’t discover Bjorn Lomborg, Patrick Moore or any of a dozen other people who could have provided more optimistic, realistic and actually possible future action recommendations that would be good for both the planet and humans.
I guess it’s too much to hope that Mr. Gibbs or Michael Moore would do a similar deep dive into the subject of CO2 and global climate itself. At least Planet of the Humans seems to demonstrate that there are liberals who are capable of changing their minds when confronted with solid evidence.
(Note: I am NOT related to Mr. M. Moore)
Because that would be stupid.
1) The underlying premise, that human ingenuity will not enable us to adapt to whatever natural resource situation we find ourselves in in the centuries to come is wrong.
2) The current known (not to mention projected) petroleum/coal reserves are enough to last for many decades (if not centuries). That is, there is no emergent need to “save us.” There will be plenty of time when things begin to run out (i.e., their price goes up), to adopt new technology/sources of energy.
3) NUCLEAR POWER was not (did I miss it? — I only skimmed through the entire film) presented as an alternative to “renewables.” Only biomass was mentioned (to present a false dichotomy: either horrid biomass OR “renewables” which do you want? (head shake)) presented as a good alternative source of energy (it is).
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Re: human consumption** is the CHOICE of each individual. That is, the main thing is: LIBERTY. It is a religious belief of Zehner (“The Planet of the Humans” producer) et al. that “materialism” or “over-consumption” or the like is “wrong.” It simply is. It is not wrong or right. They are attempting to evangelize for their religious belief (one to which I do NOT ascribe**).
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I must say, as I have said for years, that Ozzie Zehner is EXCELLENT (See his lecture “Green Illusions” here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ9-jYfpwfw and here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=–OqCMP5nPI ). However, in spite of a sharp new, much more handsome, haircut, he still (as he does in the last half or so of both of those “Green Illusions” lectures) goes off the rails about half-way through: he is a firm believer in not being “materialistic.”
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Re: all that talk in the middle (around 45:00 on for awhile) about accepting the reality that someday, each of us will die. What was that about?? Yeah, so? I am going to die someday. This is news? Not sure how that fit in….. sort of: “Since you’re going to die anyway, just live a basically miserable life using as little as you can (including energy). That you will shorten your life by doing this (because, given the current technology, only with petroleum are you going to have decent medical, dental, heat/cooling, food, etc.) is NO BIG DEAL for you are just going to die anyway.”
(Interestingly: I am firmly convinced that my death is no big deal — upon taking my last breath, I am going to heaven the second I leave this world and YET, I also firmly believe that humans should consume as much as they like (without harming others or being poor stewards of the earth — and USING petroleum and emitting CO2 is NOT being a poor steward nor are many of the other “unholy” activities of the cult of Environmentalism).
That psychology/philosophy prof. saying something about a “whole new societal construct” (about the meaning of life, etc.) was essentially saying: start telling yourself that humans are not very important in the scheme of things and, well, just suck it up and don’t be a cockroach (as that smug young woman in the intro. so charmingly compared humans to) and try to live happily and long. Instead, live sparingly and briefly — that is the holy (or the “culturally beneficial” or the whatEVER) thing to do.
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** (from above, re: materialism) I DO wholeheartedly AGREE with Zehner/the film that the rare earth metals mining in Africa is an abomination which must stop — the Chinese run those mines — somehow, we consumers need to refuse to buy anything not (just coming up with a possible label — like “cage free” for eggs) “slave labor free” (like we do with oriental rugs). Those children and their parents live lives of misery and become ill from that work. Yes, they can choose to not work there, but, well, you see, the fact is, they DO, and they WILL, unless we intervene on their behalf.
And the hybrid and electric cars made from those things are a WASTE of everyone’s money…. but, as long as they are made humanely and 100% paid for by the purchaser (not subsidized by a rebate), that is the business of those rich people who want to “virtue signal” or just feel good or whatever.
Bottom line: buying and owning things is, in general, a GOOD thing.
At least one of their capitalist villains was invested in the nuclear industry. So Nuclear was smeared by guilt through association — green energy McCarthyism.
Loydo and the the other members of his nihilistic death cult want to blame humans for all perceived problems and changes in the biosphere. It is ironic when one considers that, barring intelligent human action, foraminifera and coccolithophores will continue to extract calcium carbonate from seawater thus lowering atmospheric CO2 levels until the Earth experiences the largest mass extinction EVER! The only life forms likely to survive would be anaerobes and viruses; maybe the Wuhan Flu, COVID19, is testing the waters.
We humans have conquered slavery, Fascism, human sacrifice and were close to eradicating the “scientific slavery” known as Communism before the Progressive “long march” through our institutions destroyed the Western education system and filled our children with insanity and self doubt. In spite of the planet becoming greener, wetter and marginally warmer our young are taught that the Earth is dying! How embarrassing for a species that should be climbing to the planets and then the stars to be backsliding into the swamp of ignorance and lies that our forebears fought so hard to drain!
(as from) George Carlin: YeeeES!! (((applause)))
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