Wuhan #Coronavirus and Covid-19 Rumination #5

By Rud Istvan

The world continues to learn about this sometimes deadly new zoonotic virus. We know now from NYC that it is disproportionately serious in males (61% of tested symptomatics), more fatal in people over 65 (63%), and is disproportionately lethal (84%) in people with especially the comorbidities hypertension (55%), diabetes (35%) and obesity (50% of serious/critical [s/c] hospital admissions in NOLA, under 60 years old 2x s/c in NYC). More on the significance of these facts is developed below.

We know from two inadvertent extreme ‘lack of social distancing’ “experiments”, Diamond Princess (DP) and CVN71 (Theodore Roosevelt, TR), that only about 15% (TR) to 19% (DP, with several more weeks of exposure) ever test positive for the virus. That means that something like 80-85% of people have an immune system that seems to handle the virus effortlessly even in highly infectious, high viral titer circumstances–so that not even a positive viral shedding test develops. This could just be a very good innate immune system; it could also be a primed active immune system (i.e. the population was NOT naïve). A very plausible explanation hypothesis is developed below with important ramifications for opening countries from extreme lockdown measures.

We know from those same two ‘experiments’ that between 45% (DP) and 55% (TR) test positive but are asymptomatic. Now, some of that is just the now known incubation period with a mean ~5 days from infection and 97.5% displaying symptoms within 11.5 days. But we know also from South Korea that of the ~10600 now tested positive but asymptomatic and quarantined 14 days, that ~20% NEVER developed even mild symptoms. This is likely also explained by the naiveté hypothesis developed below.

In what follows, the primary technical sources are the Journal of Virology on coronaviruses, ncbi.nlm.NIH.gov for science publications, www.CDC.gov, and for clinical morbidity a very new ‘anecdotal’ survey article at Sciencemag.org.

Mitigation

The CDC says that there are four common cold coronavirus serotypes causing something between 15 and 35% of all common colds, (about 5% more are DNA adenoviruses that do not mutate much so immunity to them is long lasting), with the remainder caused by about 100 different rhinovirus serotypes.

For all three common cold virus types, the route of transmission is known to be cough, touching (handshake after cough), or hand face contact (cough droplets to a surface, touch surface, then touch mouth, nose, eyes.)  This is why common colds are only weakly seasonal while flu is strongly seasonal. That is why for COVID-19, social distancing, frequent hand washing, and consciously NOT face touching ‘work’. From a transmission perspective, Wuhan is ‘just’ another coronavirus.

An aside argued in rumination #4 and in other previous comments to others. Observational fact: flu is strongly seasonal, common colds are not. The reason lies in route of transmission. Inhaling infected aspirate principally spreads flu (aspirate particles are less than 5 microns). These aspirate particles dry out rapidly in dry indoor winter air (high surface to volume ratio) and remain circulating for many hours. In summer humidity, they don’t dry out and sink ‘rapidly’ to where they cannot be inhaled. Winter contact route of flu transmission exists but is distinctly secondary according to my personal communications with Dr. Fauci summer of 2009. Anything less than an N95 respirator will not prevent you from catching flu. Quarantine is ineffective. Annual flu shot is advised.

Now, there are two Covid-19 possibilities. Dr. Fauci might be right that it could be seasonal like flu, implying primary infection route would be inhaled aspirate. In which case, all the public mask nonsense is pointless. Or, it is ‘just’ another corona virus, the three recommended mitigation measures work, and public masks are still nonsense–unless you have active mild symptoms: dry cough plus fever >100.4F. In which case you should quarantine yourself and not be in public even with a mask.

Lack of transmission under extreme circumstances in 80-85% of cases

The four common cold coronaviruses are: 229E and NL63 in the ‘alpha’ serotype group, and OC43 and HKU1 in the ‘beta’ serotype group. Wuhan is also in the beta serotype group. All four common cold coronavirus spike proteins have two binding sites. In all four, the S1-CTD site binds the ACE2 receptor on epithelial cells such as line the nose, mouth, throat, and lungs. So their spike proteins, just like Wuhan, ‘key’ to that cellular receptor lock as well (as after being fully humanized) to another that varies. S1-CTD is a natural target for antibodies.

My naiveté hypothesis is that those exposed but not ‘infected’ on DP and TR may actually have been, but had a coronavirus common cold in the sufficiently recent past that their active immune system is NOT naïve thanks to S1-CDT. The antibodies simply clear the Wuhan virus before it can sufficiently replicate to even be detected. A lesser degree of immunity (older exposure) might allow the virus to sufficiently replicate to be detected, but not ever sufficiently to cause symptoms before the active immune system spools up to finally clear it.

If this naiveté hypothesis is correct, then the country should be opened immediately using the steps outlined by President Trump on Thursday. THAT is a HUGE deal economically. My hypothesis came about as I thought more about my vicious coronavirus cold referenced in guest post #1—without fever, so not Wuhan, but at 9 day duration plus more cough and less runny nose, also not Rhino.  Hence a personal recent experience motivation for rumination #5.

Clinical Morbidity

Age dependency is easy to understand. Older people have weaker immune systems and more co-morbidities.  Male dependency, dunno, just is.

Hypertension, diabetes, and obesity (in the under age 60 less impacted cohort) as the main co-morbidities take more thought to make causal connections, but can be explained with more scientific background knowledge.

We know from all the ventilator brouhaha that the primary Covid-19 clinical cause of death is viral pneumonia. The ‘ground glass’ in lower lung Xray is determinative.

But in ‘many’ cases, there are heart attack symptoms without coronary artery blockage, or cardiac arrest, or renal failure, BEFORE blood oxygenation failure, and without evidence for cytokine storms that would also damage other organs leading to a multiple organ failure diagnosis like in sepsis. And prior to death, there is in a very significant number of cases clinical evidence of kidney damage (e.g. bloody urine) and/or cardiac disfunction (e.g. arrhythmia, tachycardia). How can a respiratory virus cause those? The answer derives from the hypertension/diabetes/obesity clues.

Overweight (BMI>25) and Obese (BMI>30) is VERY strongly associated with both hypertension and type 2 diabetes according to the CDC. Hypertension by itself mechanically damages small blood vessels and capillaries. Diabetes by itself damages blood vessels and capillaries via several biological mechanisms.  The leading cause of death from diabetes (itself underlying cause #7 in the US) is cardiovascular in some form according to the CDC.

Now consider lower lung viral pneumonia. It starts when epithelial cell alveoli ‘air sacs’ are infected and eventually burst from virus. The active immune system attacks, scavenging dead and infected alveoli cells. Each single cell thick alveoli sac is intimately surrounded by capillaries; this is structurally how the lungs exchange oxygen into blood and CO2 out. That immune attack cannot avoid damaging these capillaries, already weakened/damaged by hypertension and diabetes. Now the Wuhan virus is in the bloodstream, not just in the lungs. And it turns out (from the biological role of the ACE2 receptor itself) that the heart and kidneys are the two other organs in the body with an unusually high concentration of expressed ACE2 receptor: in cardiac and renal cells. So it is clinically unsurprising that a lot of critical patients exhibit these other mortality modes before respiratory failure despite ventilators.

This also explains why a virus that cannot possibly be racist (despite DeBlasio’s politically inspired intimations this past week) disproportionately kills African Americans and Hispanics in NYC. Those racial groups have a disproportionate amount of obesity. See ncbi article PMC4265895 for NYC only details, or for all New York counties health.ny.gov.

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Juan Slayton
April 19, 2020 5:13 pm

Now the Wuhan virus is in the bloodstream, not just in the lungs.

Still puzzling over the Red Cross statement below:

https://www.redcrossblood.org/donate-blood/dlp/coronavirus–covid-19–and-blood-donation.html

The top priority of the Red Cross is the safety of our donors, volunteers, employees and blood recipients, and we are committed to transparency with the American public during this evolving public health emergency. There are no data or evidence that this coronavirus can be transmissible by blood transfusion, and there have been no reported cases worldwide of transmissions for any respiratory virus including this coronavirus.

https://www.redcrossblood.org/donate-blood/dlp/coronavirus–covid-19–and-blood-donation.html

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Juan Slayton
April 19, 2020 6:12 pm

Red Cross needs blood donations. Unfortunately, the kidney and cardiac complications of severely ill Covid-19s say they are just wrong. Not the first time. See Hep C.

John Tillman
Reply to  Steven Mosher
April 19, 2020 6:23 pm

Unfortunately, we can’t presently be sure that recovered patients are indeed immune to reinfection.

Greg
Reply to  Steven Mosher
April 19, 2020 6:54 pm

In Shenzhen, a city just across the border from Hong Kong in southeastern China, contact tracers had identified 2,842 close contacts of coronavirus patients and found that 88 were infected, as of mid-February, according to a World Health Organization report. That’s only 3%.

They don’t manage to say how many tackers they had to get that feeble result. But has Mosh’ has often pointed out 80% of infections are close family members. That means they found about 18 cases which were not close family members.

They also fail to give any indication of the number of cases in Shenzhen, but I thinks it’s safe to assume that 18 is a drop in the ocean.

In short and “army” of contact tracers and implicit intrusion of expecting everyone to give a total list of all personal contacts gains a pittance of useful information.

Just test all members of the household of anyone testing positive. Simple, effective and a minimum of intrusion.

This virus does not become an excuse for installing a distopian police state.

Clyde Spencer
April 19, 2020 5:36 pm

Rud
You also forgot to mention that there is apparently a correlation with blood type.

John Tillman
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
April 19, 2020 9:01 pm

The correlation with A blood group was from smallish samples in Wuhan and Shenzhen. Preprint wasn’t peer-reviewed.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.11.20031096v2

observa
April 19, 2020 5:54 pm

Australia is in the somewhat unique position of maybe knocking this virus on the head as in my State of SA with open sniffle testing new cases aren’t emerging. It’s largely been OS travellers and the Diamond Princess with a smattering of contacts with them. We join NT with no new cases and reported infection rates in the eastern States are dropping fast and at last report there’s been only 71 deaths the youngest being 42 years of age and a cruise ship crew member.

But here’s the rub. Suppose we’re successful at stopping transmission and eliminating the virus altogether where does that leave us maybe along with NZ at some stage. It means everyone coming here or returning has to enter full user pays quarantine with a barrage of testing for 14 days. Goodbye international tourism (Virgin Airlines is already broke) along with a large uni education sector accommodating OS students and so much for elite sports events like Tennis and Golf Opens and Formula 1 to the cycling Tour Down Under, etc. Forget Olympics and Commonwealth Games as we’re virus free buggy folks. That’s what victory looks like all you young fit and productive people that can commonly brush this thing off but keep up the good work for the Boomers OK?

John in Cairns
April 19, 2020 9:08 pm

Being a recent victim of the following and a little familiar with it ,I suggest that virologists take a look at RESPIRATORY SYNCYTIAL VIRUS and its antibodies. It is known to be dangerous to babies and oldies but is similiar to the common cold in everyone else, It is very contagious, probably pandemic, and nearly all children from age three have antibodies and are thus immune for the next five years Those adults who do catch it are probably unaware of it but still become immune. It has occurred to me that its antibodies may be similar enough to explain the widespread and unexpected immunity that we are seeing.

Steven Mosher
April 20, 2020 5:12 am

Of all imported cases, 61 have caused local transmission. In total, 157 cases were infected from imported cases. Among the local transmissions caused by imported cases, 89 (54.4%) were family members; 33 (20.6%) were friends or acquaintances; 27 (16.9%) were people at work; 8 (6.3%) were infected from places visited by imported cases.

Korea imported 1006 cases

61 Of these cases resulted in Local infections

these 61 people caused 157 additional cases ( 2.6 R0)

of the 157

89 (54.4%) were family members;
33 (20.6%) were friends or acquaintances;
27 (16.9%) were people at work;
8 (6.3%) were infected from places visited by imported cases.

tracing

April 20, 2020 6:31 am

At least one in seven UK deaths in March were of people with dementia. I wonder how many of them didn’t actually have dementia until they were given their care home benzodiazepine happy pill.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/alzheimers-society-responds-to-office-for-national-statistics-mortality-figures-of-people-with-dementia-from-covid19

Reply to  Ulric Lyons
April 20, 2020 7:14 am

“Concomitant use of benzodiazepines and opioids may result in profound sedation, respiratory depression, coma, and death.”

https://www.drugs.com/article/benzodiazepines.html

Antonym
April 20, 2020 8:28 am

Here an interview with Korea’s top virus specialist Professor Woo-Joo Kim
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwoNP9QWr4Y

Relapse is possible due to original infection being temporary suppressed (negative test result= below 3000) due to medicines during hospitalization.

April 20, 2020 9:47 am

Most sailors testing positive for COVID-19 on the USS Theodore Roosevelt showed no symptoms of infection.

“The Navy’s testing of the entire 4,800-member crew of the aircraft carrier – which is about 94% complete – was an extraordinary move in a headline-grabbing case that has already led to the firing of the carrier’s captain and the resignation of the Navy’s top civilian official.

Roughly 60 percent of the over 600 sailors who tested positive so far have not shown symptoms of COVID-19, the potentially lethal respiratory disease caused by the coronavirus, the Navy says.”

That’s a 12.5% overall infection rate.

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/uss-theodore-roosevelt-sailors-coronavirus-asymptomatic

April 20, 2020 12:03 pm

Rud, someone mentioned this study employing modern genetic techniques to analyze the progressive mutations of the novel coronavirus as it spread across the world. The paper is Phylogenetic network analysis of SARS-CoV-2 genomes.
https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/04/07/2004999117
My synopsis is here: https://rclutz.wordpress.com/2020/04/20/covid19-forensic-genetics/
It’s intereting, but I don’t know enough to draw implications.

April 20, 2020 12:24 pm

Meanwhile, with nary a whisper from the media, Horowitz has released his report, and it is damning:

“Orchestrated from the highest levels of the Department of Justice, the FBI knowingly used disinformation from a foreign adversary — paid for by political operatives running a partisan campaign in an ongoing U.S. election — to unleash America’s most powerful and sprawling espionage apparatus against political enemies of a sitting administration.

Think about it. This is infinitely worse than Watergate. These are abuses so much more brazen and dangerous than anything from Hoover, the infamous longtime director of … ahem … the FBI.

We now know that FBI agents — operating at the behest of powerful appointees of the Obama administration — deliberately doctored foreign intelligence to obtain secret warrants to spy on an active political campaign for president. In the United States of America.

This is no longer opinion or speculation. This is fact, backed up by exhaustive investigation and extensive evidence. The fact that these massive abuses are getting short-shrift in the media today only reveals the extent to which the media has been a co-conspirator in this travesty of justice.

They have become outright defenders of a police state, where spying on innocent Americans seeking political office is now perfectly acceptable to them.

Meanwhile, in Congress, the most powerful Democrats in the land knew what was going on and encouraged it. All for sick partisan gain.

To cover their tracks, they lied and accused their political opponents of doing exactly what they themselves did: Using foreign disinformation straight out of Moscow to sow discord and win an election here in the United States.

Again, this is not some hot-headed opinion from a crazy conspiracy theorist. Or, at least, it’s not just that. It also happens to be the stone-cold truth.”
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/20/charles-hurt-horowitz-report-proves-things-are-even-worse-than-we-thought/

Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
April 20, 2020 12:48 pm

Actually it is notes that were just declassified.

Goldrider
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
April 21, 2020 10:19 am

Which is one reason the MSM is running ALL COVID-19 stories, ALL the time. Don’t want you to see that . . . . . .SQUIRREL!!!!!

April 20, 2020 1:41 pm

Hi cedarhill, – You tout knowledge citing those with whom you concur. There is nothing in my comment about cholesterol, plaque, insulin, ketones, diabetes, obesity nor cancer. WUWT is not a diet blog & polemics about it should expect contextual responses.

Briefly: If people after (not pre-meal, or before breakfast) eating, repeat after a meal, can get their blood sugar to about 6.7 to 8.3 milli-moles/liter (equivalent to around 120 – 159 mg/dL) for awhile their immune system benefits. However, when it is 10 or greater milli-moles/liter (equivalent to around 180 mg/dL) for an extended period then their immune system does not benefit because that conversely favors pro-inflammatory conditions. If I must spell it out: I have no intention of promoting a hyper-glycemic human existence (for that matter I do not adhere to an edible fat phobia).

Biochemistry is part of our nature. “Sugar” in the diet is not always insidious & yet group genetics regarding “sugar” do exist.

Editor
April 20, 2020 2:15 pm

Interested readers should reference John Ioannidis’ most recent paper “Population-level COVID-19 mortality risk for non-elderly individuals overall and for non-elderly individuals without underlying diseases in pandemic epicenters
[ link is to the full .pdf file — a preprint on Medrxiv].

“CONCLUSIONS:
People <65 years old have very small risks of COVID-19 death even in the hotbeds of the pandemic and deaths for people <65 years without underlying predisposing conditions are remarkably uncommon. Strategies focusing specifically on protecting high-risk elderly individuals should be considered in managing the pandemic."

If this is true as stated, it means we have been protecting the wrong segment of society. We should have quarantined all of us old folks, barricaded senior citizen centers for their protection, and left the rest of society to get on with it.

Each new flu seems to have its own peculiarities, SARS-CoV-2 carries away mostly the older people with preference to those with severe co-morbidities. This was clear from the start, and should have been the focus of public health efforts. There are always a few flu victims that don’t fit the pattern.

When the dust settles, I predict we will find that millions and millions of people had Covid-19 with no or few recognizable symptoms — this will push the mortality rate down and down. Because wqe focused on the wrong cohort being at risk — “everybody” — we will have failed to protect those in greatest need or protection — and possibly destroyed society’s ability to deal with the economic fallout.

Tim Bidie
April 20, 2020 10:47 pm

This is anecdotal but, I thought, interesting.

I met a married couple (out dog walking) who said that the husband had been hospitalised from an unidentified virus with respiratory complications in November 2019. He was fit as a fiddle when I met him, although the conversation was carried on outdoors at some distance!

This individual’s son was an estate agent showing Leeds University students around properties to let in Leeds. Leeds University has an international partnership with Wuhan University of Technology.

In the clip below, Dr Peter Forster, a geneticist from Cambridge University explains how the earliest the virus could have crossed over to humans in China was 13 Sept 2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQQf2yoymu0

Chinese nationals from Wuhan were hospitalised in Britain 24 Jan 2020 having been in the country for two weeks.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/jan/24/coronavirus-uk-universities-issue-quarantine-warning-china-chinese-students-in-slugs

But the autumn session of Leeds University began Wed 25 Sept 2019.

Knowing what we now know about the infectiousness of the disease, and the mildness of its symptoms, asymptomatic transmission in the able bodied, a great deal of transmission could have occurred in this country, between young university students, before red flags were raised concerning the virus in January 2020. Personally, I believe that large numbers of able bodied people in Britain have already been exposed to this virus and suffered no ill effects.

The Cambridge University paper commentary and link is here:

https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/covid-19-genetic-network-analysis-provides-snapshot-of-pandemic-origins

April 21, 2020 1:54 pm

Care home ‘happy pills’

New research suggests that benzodiazepines may quadruple the likelihood of pneumonia and increase mortality more than 20-fold in people with influenza-like illness

https://www.pharmacymagazine.co.uk/benzodiazepines-increase-flu-risk