The ‘Climate Emergency’ -Running with the crowds?

Guest post by Tony Brown

Addendum: March 12th 2020

This article about the ‘Climate emergency’ was written several weeks ago, before the Corona virus (Covid 19) really hit the headlines. Just today, President Trump banned travel from the European mainland to the U.S., the Australian Grand Prix was cancelled, Tom Hanks and his wife are in quarantine in that country and the virus has just been labelled a pandemic. Stock markets have plunged. All perhaps illustrating that we never quite know what is just around the corner, and how one panic can quickly supplant another.

The article originally written with the concerns over the ‘Climate Emergency’ in mind, has therefore taken on a different dimension, as for the first time we have some of those sceptical over the science of the ‘Climate Emergency’ accepting the science behind the consequences of the Covid 19 outbreak. Consequently, perhaps those alarmed about Covid 19 but not the climate, can, for the first time, understand the depths of concern and alarm of those who feel that a Climate Armageddon is upon us.

Climate activists demanding immediate action fervently believe that the world needs to wake up and take drastic steps to recover a situation that they think is out of control and therefore is every bit as urgent as tackling Covid 19. They have climate related concerns so real that it has affected the mental health of a whole generation and created a situation whereby even small children are being encouraged by schools to worry obsessively and take action.

So when reading the article, perhaps readers would bear this additional background in mind and step into the shoes of those believing in a ‘Climate emergency’ and who place it on a par with Covid 19 and comment accordingly. Do you understand their concerns and sometimes radical and disruptive actions better? Do you believe the science about one crisis but remain sceptical about the science of the other? Do you remain unconcerned by both issues?

James Thurber’s 1913 story ‘The Day the Dam broke’ is an account of human irrationality enabling us to draw lessons on how things can quickly spiral out of control when false information is knowingly, or innocently, spread.

This can quickly lead to panic or, in the case of climate, a rapid escalation to the apocalyptic sounding ‘Climate Emergency’. This is an extreme climate condition which some find difficult to discern, but is fervently believed in by many others, especially when current events such as bushfires, storms and flooding are heavily promoted in the media, with limited historical context.  With far more people around compared to the past to observe or experience great weather extremes of the modern era and project pictures of them instantly round the world, this lack of context is unsurprising. Dusty historical accounts of extreme weather-statistically likely to be only a fraction of those that occurred then observed, recorded, preserved and recovered – cannot compete with vivid pictures of tragedies as they happen. This lack of context will only reinforce the notion that such modern events are without precedent, or more frequent. As L P Hartley said; ‘The past is a Foreign country-they do things differently there ’ and young people in particular –often the most concerned over perceived radical climate change- tend to have limited historical references on which to test their concerns and invariably look to the future, rather than the past.

The initial panic Thurber describes in ‘The Day the Dam broke’ was based on fear and concern over a genuine incident, the great Easter flood of 1913 “when a monumental storm system, tornadoes and floods covered much of the US, creating devastation from Nebraska to the Atlantic seaboard and down to the Mississippi,” claimed to be that country’s most widespread natural disaster, linked here. 1)

Thurber’s actual incident is described; ‘Like a flash, business on High street was paralyzed, the whole city was thrown into a panic, rescue work in the flood district was hurriedly abandoned, the river’s east brink for a mile was cleared of humanity, when, at 4:30 Wednesday afternoon, someone shouted: “The storage dam has burst….Never before in the history of Columbus was there such a scene of panic, even consternation. Through alleys, down street, down stairways, out of windows, people hurried, tumbled ran, shouted and fairly fought each other in their almost mad rush. . . .”  2)

Thurber’s story is based on his life as a young boy living near the Ohio river, and relates the experiences of his Aunt Edith Taylor and his own youthful recollection about the “Great Run” of the afternoon in Columbus city, which illustrates the mob mentality very well. The following is my own summary of the relevant parts of the tale, with some small snippets from the story itself;

“After very heavy rain (see 1) on March 12, 1913 a rumour spread that the River Ohio was in flood and the water would rush towards the city as the dam had broken. Thurber describes someone running, probably because they were late. One or two others joined the runner for their own reasons. Other people heard the noise and came out on to the High Street to see what was happening. Perhaps already aware of the rumour, upon seeing the runner, yet more townsfolk started running towards the East for safety. As more people did so, yet more followed, and shouts of ‘the Dam has broken”’ could be heard. In the market place people heard the commotion and joined them, and soon, upwards of two thousand citizens were running, to save their lives from the flood.

Thurber’s Aunt Edith Taylor was attending a movie theatre and joined the mob;

“When I reached Grant Avenue, I was so spent that Dr. H.P Mallory passed me, there was a boy behind him on roller-skates and Dr. Mallory mistook the swishing of the skates for the sound of rushing water. He eventually reached the Columbus School for Girls where he collapsed.”

Food was left on the hob and front doors left open, as the people ran to escape the rushing waters of the Dam they were sure had collapsed, a notion reinforced by thousands of others of a like mind.

The militia drove through the city announcing the news was false, but still the mob ran up to 12 miles in order to save their lives.  Eventually when it became clear that flood water was not pursuing them, the mob mentality began to ease. Slowly people returned to their homes realising that even the most sober and moderate of citizens had lost their heads over an unsubstantiated rumour, reinforced by the actions of a runner unconnected with the matter.

Thurber no doubt embellished the story somewhat for comic effect; ‘Still, as Harrison Kinney relates in his biography, there was enough truth about mass hysteria in Thurber’s account of the Afternoon of the Great Run of 1913 to impress at least one important reader. General William M. Hoge, who experienced the ill effects of rumour and panic during the Battle of the Bulge, read “The Day the Dam Broke” shortly afterward and “required every member of his staff to do the same,” as is related in link 2)

That this herd mentality is not new can be seen in writings over the centuries;

Stuffing the ear with false report….Rumour is a pipe Blown by surmises, jealousies, conjectures,’ Henry iv Part 4- William Shakespeare

“’ How much pain have cost us the evils that have never happened.” This comes from Thomas Jefferson, former U.S. President. Many more ‘running with the crowd’ quotes in reference 3)

Human phycology is richly observed in Thurber’s story, in as much that men and women can lose all sense of proportion and common sense when a panic starts. The various quotes illustrate that this human weakness to believe exaggerated tales, whether likely or not, has occurred throughout history, and this human failing has been acutely observed by many.

More recently author Douglas Murray has taken up the theme in his 2019 book ‘The Madness of Crowds. Gender, Race and Identity,’ setting out numerous modern day examples 4).  This in turn is echoing ‘Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds’ an early study of crowd psychology by Scottish journalist Charles Mackay, first published in 1841. In this he initially discusses economic bubbles, including the South Sea bubble and Tulip Mania and European fervour for causes such as the Medieval Crusades. Modern commentators have included the Chinese stock bubble of 2007 as examples of this mass hysteria 5)

Two quotes stand out from Mackay’s book;

Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.”

‘We find that whole communities suddenly fix their minds upon one object, and go mad in its pursuit; that millions of people become simultaneously impressed with one delusion, and run after it, till their attention is caught by some new folly more captivating than the first.”

Very many people believe ‘The Dam has Broken’ as regards the climate, with relentless media attention serving to reinforce this belief, with dire warnings of imminent apocalypse. It is a theme taken up by green activists and politicians, who for genuine environmental reasons, or for political purposes, want the story to be true and fashion their narrative accordingly. The “Climate Emergency” bears a close relationship to many panics of the past, real or imagined, but what is different this time is that due to modern means of communication the messages of doom are spread rapidly internationally. In a modern democracy, governments feel obliged to accept the verdict of the vociferous leaders amongst the voting crowds and enact their own officially sanctioned responses in response.

This departure from rational thought can be seen by anyone in the UK listening to the recent announcements by the UK govt. that, within a decade or so, we can substitute tens of millions of gas boilers with something as yet not spelt out or priced, can suddenly build tens of millions of electric cars with charging points, and somehow magic up vast amounts of reliable electricity from other than current means, in order to power the Brave new world. “Brave New World by Aldous Huxley is described as a ‘dystopian novel by English author Aldous Huxley, written in 1931 and published in 1932. Largely set in a futuristic World State, inhabited by genetically modified citizens and an intelligence-based social hierarchy, the novel anticipates huge scientific advancements in reproductive technology, sleep-learning, psychological manipulation and classical conditioning. “ 6)

This particular Brave New World, where the “Climate Emergency” is a central feature, has consequences. The depth of the upheaval to modern civilisation in order to achieve the aims they claim to desire appears to have passed by those swept up in the panic, if not by those actually manipulating it.

Many older readers will remember their relatively deprived childhoods around the 1950’s and 60’s and be surprised at University and school strikes apparently intended to voluntarily take us back to the lower living standards of those times, or even much earlier, depending on how quickly zero emissions are demanded and implemented.

In retrospect, we can recognise that our childhoods in those decades were low energy, with no computers and smart phones, internet or social media, limited amounts of consumer goods, hot baths were often rationed, but unwelcome anyway in often freezing houses. Central heating -if installed-was often kept turned down. We generally walked to school, would not expect to be transported everywhere by parents, had one small black and white TV, took one modest holiday a year, usually in our own country and had limited access to imported exotic food, or food out of season.

As striking Students are not yet integrated into the economy, they perhaps do not fully appreciate the consequences of their stated objectives, whose effects will permanently derail their comfortable, modern, warm and energy guzzling lifestyles.

It is estimated that we need 50% more energy by 2050. It is reasonable to ask that, in the absence of fossil fuels, where the constant base power for a modern 24/7 interconnected society is coming from? Whilst many believe renewable energy will come to the rescue, renewables, primarily wind turbines and solar panels (and also devices such as smartphones/computers) often utilise minerals requiring environmentally damaging mining, processing and shipping and physically challenging and often morally dubious working conditions. Estimates show there are not enough of the required materials in the world to meet projected demand from a rapidly rising global population demanding the latest modern comforts, fashioned by impeccably ‘green’ methods.

The late Professor Mackay, Chief Scientist of the UK’s Department of Energy and Climate Change, said trying to power the UK economy with weather dependent renewable Energy was “an appalling delusion” which only takes trivial “back of the envelope” calculations to prove. The David Mackay book updated 2015 can be downloaded here, with the calculations 7)

Likely sacrifices that will need to be taken by all in order to avoid the perceived ‘Climate Emergency’ might encompass the following lifestyle changes;

Assuming journeys are necessary in the first place, travel only by bus, cycling, walking or train. No parents taxi service. No flying except in an emergency. No spring water in plastic bottles, No imported food or food out of season when there is a local alternative. Little meat, dairy or fish, no hot daily showers, an embargo on throw away fashion clothes, no cotton. Infrequent washing of clothes in tepid water and no artificial drying. Drastic reductions of energy guzzling internet and social media, with smart phones and computers rationed to one a household and kept for years, and used infrequently, and a considerable reduction in purchases of consumer goods, especially those that are non-essential. Curtailment of new entertainment, such as films, documentaries and TV, where extensive travel was necessary in their making. Minimal home and work place heating. Expect regular power cuts. Curtail vegan foods which have achieved mythical status on their ability to save the planet. Many vegan ingredients come from all over the world, often by air and have huge carbon footprints.

Only weekly cups of habitat destroying coffee and foregoing endless home deliveries of everything from fast food to shoes. No attendance at festivals or sporting events, especially overseas, or those that need to use floodlights and aren’t near public transport.

These measures are ‘low hanging fruit’. Other changes in lifestyle will become apparent, but students (and adults) endorsing the ‘Climate Emergency’ will need to make considerable sacrifices and adopt more frugal lifestyles and not just during school years when passions and certainties burn brightest.

As can be seen, the list of modern comforts, currently taken for granted almost as a ‘human right,’ that might need to be scaled back or discarded entirely, are substantial.

In short, if you believe in the need to take drastic action to avert a ‘Climate Emergency’ then the simple answer is to stop living your modern lifestyle and revert to that of your grandparents much more frugal lifestyles or, if you really want to don hair shirts and get to zero emissions almost immediately, that of your many times great grandparents in order to revert to pre 1750 ‘pre industrial’ times. The IPCC uses this date from which to measure man’s effect on the climate, when lives were often brutal, short, poor and un-healthy. Several books are listed under ref 8) that illustrate that the depths of the hardships of those living in the pre industrial past are beyond modern imagining in the West, but still all too familiar to undeveloped countries seeking to raise their lifestyles by using fossil fuels.

Are people willing to make these individual sacrifices or do they expect to carry on much as they are, perhaps recycling a bit more or cutting back a little on overseas holidays, in the belief that some means will be found to supply unlimited cheap and clean energy? This ‘no consequences’ belief that one way of life can be effortlessly and seamlessly exchanged for another, without huge costs and disruption, does not stand close scrutiny. But when you are running in panic to escape the broken Dam, reality has already gone out of the window.

Humanity is fickle. Interest passes and fixates on something else. There are many very worthy causes that warrant man’s attention and interest and consequently perhaps something else perceived to be even more terrible than a ‘Climate Emergency’ will take centre stage.*

(*See the note at the head of this article concerning Covid 19-corona basis

The way we treat our environment is a different issue and should be separated from the climate change hysteria, and whether or not fossil fuels will continue to be the best solution man can devise for our energy needs, as we proceed further into the 21st century, is another discussion. A discussion much better held when those pressing for alternative solutions are not in a panic.

Tony Brown February 2020

References;

1) https://nationalcalamityeaster1913flood.blogspot.com/2015/10/the-day-dam-broke.html

2) http://storyoftheweek.loa.org/2019/12/the-day-dam-broke.html

3) https://www.bartleby.com/348/904.html

4) https://www.amazon.com/Madness-Crowds-Gender-Race-Identity/dp/1635579988
5) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_Popular_Delusions_and_the_Madness_of_Crowds

6)https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5129.Brave_New_World

7) https://www.withouthotair.com/download.htmlurrently

8) Books that illustrate the harsh lifestyles of ordinary people in earlier centuries. 

a) The fictional ‘Shardlake’ series by C J Sansom set around the 1540’s b) ‘The Third Horseman’ William Rosen set in the 14th century c) ‘The Time Travellers guide to Medieval England’ by Ian Mortimer

also set in the 14th century d) “The Canterbury Tales” by Geoffrey Chaucer, also set in the 14th Century

107 thoughts on “The ‘Climate Emergency’ -Running with the crowds?

  1. Judging from the data it appears this particular Coronavirus variant is rampant in countries that manage to keep a lot of really old sick people around long enough for Covid-19 to roll around and finish them off.

    Much like snuffing forest fires promptly and letting debris collect on the forest floor until disaster happens.

    But the lying, rabble-rousing, fact free, shit-stirring, fake news MSM propaganda machine stampeded the public into a panic.

    Thanks a lot, ass holes!!!

    Who holds the media accountable?

    WE DO!!

    Quit watching! Quit reading! Cancel subscriptions! Pull advertising!!

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/
    https://www.coronavirus.video/country-stats.php

    • It would be nice if the age classifications were further divided into general health and underlying medical complications. The world might not have been thrown into economic turmoil had older and sick folks been segregated and treated to boost their immunity and to prevent their exposure to the virus.

      • Scissor
        The number of birthdays a person has celebrated does not tell one everything they need to know about the viability of a person.

        • Thank you John and Ed–
          John Finn March 15, 2020 at 5:02 pm
          Ed Zuiderwijk March 15, 2020 at 5:24 pm
          I listened to the American Rifle Radio and the host thinks this is all overblown and that the MSM has thrown everyone into a frenzy–and that it’s not that bad??? Really, are they not listening to the facts? Not what the media hypes, the real numbers and collapsing of systems–I am appalled at those that think this is not that big a deal–yes, the rate of infection is astounding and is what we have to address to save the health care system! Thanks for quietly pointing out facts.

          • Uh … this isn’t the Bubonic Plague any more than the spread of the Common Cold.
            Is it nastier than the flu?
            Yes. (marginally)
            Should we panic?
            No more than we did during H1N1 outbreak.
            Did we “shut down” then?
            No.
            Did we survive?
            Yes.
            Calm down people.
            As with bird flu, swine flu etc., this too shall pass.
            (Worst case, spring is upon us. Leafs will be growing on the trees so you won’t have to hoard toilet paper anymore!)

      • Nearly all of the deceased also had other pathologies for an average above 2 (for what sense as an average number of pathologies can make), most often cardiovascular diseases and hypertension. Diabetes also figures prominently.

      • The lack of knowledge about statistics is appalling. None, repeat NONE of what you have read about the incidence of corona virus applies to any individual. Keep in mind that the worst initial outbreak was in a senior’s care facility. Collecting together people with weaker immune systems and other susceptibilities merely guarantees that more of them will die, since the virus cannot be contained, short of everyone, including the inmates, wearing hazmat suit WITH suitable virus filters.

        Put another way, how much are you willing to pay be to go into a death trap like that. How much do I get if I leave alive? A million dollars might be a starting point.

    • I think you might be missing the point here.

      To date CovID-19 probably has a fatality rate of around 1% of those who catch it. That would remain the case if it’s rate of transmission was manageable. About 12% of cases have required medical attention. The problem is that the virus is spreading at an alarming rate which means the cases requiring treatment are building up.

      China has a decent healthcare system but they were forced into taking draconian measures to halt the spread of the virus because medical services couldn’t cope. Now Italy, Spain, Germany & France are reporting problems. These countries have first rate healthcare systems yet all them are being forced to impose unprecedented measures to control the virus.

      If the healthcare systems can’t cope then the fatality rate will increase because patients won’t get treatment. The US is going to face the same problems in the coming weeks.

        • There are good reasons to believe that many cases have remained undetected, mainly because specific tests are done for the most part on patients already with symptoms. This produces an inflated fatality rate.

        • Look at the population profile of Italy. They have an aged population. That (in part) explains the high death rate.

        • As Fabio says many cases are undetected. It’s quite possible Italy has 10 times the number of cases than the official figure. Italy might only be recording those who are admitted to hospital. The UK medical officer reported that models suggested we were approaching 10,000 cases a few days ago.

          Epidemic models tend to be reliable than say economic or climate models. Disease progression can be quite predicable.

      • The US and it appears every other developed country are going to the Super person to person isolation model, to stop/attempt to stop the production of the Corvid virus

        The idea is that by short term super person to person isolation and country border controls, according to the models…

        the reduction in the virus’ ability to multiple will reduce the in country human production of the virus, sufficiently that we can avoid an epidemic and get back to Normal by July of this year.

        I am not sure if this extreme isolation model can extinguish the virus in a country.

        So all schools and universities are closed, all gyms, public recreation centers, bars and restaurants in high incident regions are closed, and so on,

    • In the Dutch province of Brabant, the area most affected as yet, 50% of the IC patients are younger than 50. The youngest patient is a lad of 20 who lives courtesy of a ventilator. This virus is no joke, and it would help to not pretend it is.

      • I saw that in the NRC and VK. Reality is that those cases until further notice are outliers compared to stats from all other jurisdictions.
        No one in his right mind would suggest this virus is a joke – largely because we still have no proper handle on the key input variables: actual infectibility and mortality rates. In Canada (pop 37MM) we have a bit over 300 cases, 1 very probably infected Prime Minister, and one 80+ dead. Even if those numbers were to go up one respectively two orders of magnitude, this would not qualify as a public health crisis.

        Instead, it is pretty clear by now is that politically – the MSM abetting- the arrival of this virus is being completely overblown from a public health perspective.

        For perspective, bear in mind that in NA (US/Canada combined for 370MM pop) every year, depending on severity, 35,000-50,000 people die from the seasonal flu, and some 50,000-70,000 in the EU (500MM pop).
        Reality is that as societies, we have come to accept that as normal.

        Until the Coronavirus reaches those levels – and there is little evidence anywhere pointing that way so far, we are in the process of inflicting massive socio-economic damage on our societies based on what amounts to hysteria.

        • COVID 19 is the pin-prick that popped the economic balloon that has been inflating for several years now. People exchanging newly-printed Fed paper for paper from zero-profit companies have discovered “there’s no there there”. Trillions in phony “wealth” gone in an eye-blink. Yes, the economy has been disrupted, and some productive labor has been postponed, but perhaps we’ll come through it with a better appreciation of what really matters.

          • Agree, It is amazing at this point, considering current US budget deficit & national debt, that Fed Gov is contemplating sending $1K to every American because of economic disruption due to Kung flu. (Drunken Uncle Sam buying the whole bar a drink when he hasn’t got any cash in his pocket to pay for it.)
            I don’t need or want $1K from the govt. There are many, many who do.
            Can’t we figure out a way to meet the needs of those who truly are in desperate situations w/o recklessly throwing $1K bills around?
            Cheers!

        • You ignore the possibility that the virus is mutating and that the Dutch may be confronted with an even more aggressive strain. If so whatever happened elsewhere is irrelevant.

          • Supposition. There is no evidence from anywhere that the virus is mutating into a more virulent form.
            Who knows, maybe I’m Dutch. Can’t tell me much….

          • Ed Zuiderwijk – March 15, 2020 at 5:24 pm

            In the Dutch province of Brabant, the area most affected as yet, 50% of the IC patients are younger than 50.

            “HA”, …. apparently Ed Zuiderwijk heard someone scream “The damn has broken” ……. and without checking the facts, ….. Ed took pity on those that didn’t deserve it. To wit:

            It’s an open secret. The Dutch province Brabant is popularly referred to as the ‘weed shed’ of Europe, and not without reason. In Tilburg alone, the cannabis industry annually generates an estimated 800 million euros. The Netherlands is famous for its ‘gedoogbeleid’, or tolerance policy, under which the authorities turn a blind eye to the selling of cannabis at the front of the shop, while its production and sourcing at the back is criminalized.
            https://universonline.nl/2018/10/09/drug-criminals-headquartered-netherlands

            Lung damage resulting from excessive drug usage makes one subject to a deadly flu inflection.

          • Wow. Two reality deniers on this one. You really ought to read the rather sober reporting in the Dutch press, and not rely salacious folklore.

            ‘Supposition’ ? There are at least two strains going around, one more virulent than the other.

          • Coronavirus – the “prevention” will surely prove to be far worse than the “contagion”.

    • Not eating bats might have reduced the issue…but the Chinese are, esp men, are dirty people. They will stick their finger up their nose, and then rummage around in your food with it without batting (See what I did there?) an eyelid.

  2. It doesn’t matter what one might be skeptical of, if you run out of toilet paper today, you’ll be impacted by the irrational people around you, which may be worse than the “climate crisis.”

    • “Impacted,” huh. No pun intended, of course.
      Wonder what kind of paper they’re using in Venezuela.

      • They have something called Bolivars that are rectangular in shape and a little rough but cheap.

    • Yes. I may or may not finish this article later – it did not start well.

      No, I don’t have a greater understanding of the climate change hysterics from my own hysteria over CoVid19. BECAUSE I DON’T HAVE ANY HYSTERIA OVER COVID19.

      The hysterics for both “crises” are being fed by pseudo-science.

      Now, I do understand that there will be hysteria. I prepared for that – when it began to rise, I simply increased my normal stocks to four weeks from two weeks, and purchased a few useful things that the hysterics did not consider hoarding (at the time, don’t know about now).

      • One problem is that as more people are tested, the number of cases will increase. This causes people to think the disease is spreading. A thousand people are tested, and 50 cases are found. Next week 5000 people are tested, and 250 cases are found, and the math-impaired cry out, Oh my God, we have 250 new cases in a week, it’s spreading like wildfire!

    • In these circumstances the Greens have something to teach us i.e by following their example and using both sides of the paper.

    • if you run out of toilet paper today,

      You do the same thing that you would do any other day that you run out of toilet paper, ….. you use a washcloth, ……. cause you sure as hell couldn’t go running off to the Supermarket to buy toilet paper with a dirty arse and your pants down around your knees.

      • Unless you’re in good ol’ San Fran. There you can just trop trou and squat right in the TP aisle.

  3. The mindset is the same. We must take action now even though it is too late to quarantine — too late to stop the warming.
    The facts are not.
    (1) A viral pandemic has been studied. We know how and why they progress. I can’t think of anyone who has a HS diploma not understanding that it must spread. What is unknown is the absolute craziness of exponential growth. The speed of the growth depends on current population. It gets faster and faster as it grows.
    (2) Climate Change (Global Warming) of one degree a century, even if it were real, can be abated with technology. Gen4 Nuclear.

    • 1. highly contagious diseases that grow exponentially and kill the host die out quickly
      2. highly contagious diseases that grow exponentially but don’t kill the host hang around a long time but don’t generate a panic – e.g. the common cold

      It doesn’t really matter if covid-19 grows exponentially. It’s mortality rate appears to be quite low except in the elderly or individuals with compromised health – exactly like the flu. We don’t take all these draconian steps to control the flu every fall/winter, why are they being taken over covid-19?

      Why? Because of the panic being generated by the MSM and the Democrats for political agendas.

      Think about it! Why the run on toilet paper? Exponential growth of covid-19 doesn’t require vast amounts of toilet paper! If you have to be quarantined and run out of t-p then do what the pioneers used to do, use a washrag and wash it in a bleach bath. Want to stock up on something? Buy bleach not t-p.

      • I am in a high-risk group for either flu or COVID19. Age over 75 and having been a smoker; not good.
        I get the flu vaccine. I don’t think that I was even exposed to flu this millennium.
        I am likely to get SARS-CoV-2. I will probably need intensive hospitalization. I am not alone. Please, please be one of those who flattens the curve so when I get it medical care is there. It is not like the flu at all. That attitude may kill me — to put it bluntly.

    • “(2) Climate Change (Global Warming) of one degree a century, even if it were real, can be abated with technology. Gen4 Nuclear.”

      Your thought is incomplete here. Global Warming can be “real” and not caused by humans, which means nothing we do will abate it.

  4. Well, I was born in 1952, and I remember the old times with great nostalgia. In fact the rationing of things like tasty foods and hot baths and new clothes made enjoying them much more intense.

    Remember (if you are old enough) what it was like to go to a movie. I saw Ben-Hur when I was nine, at a drive-in, in the rain. I watched the best movie I had ever seen from the backseat of a car, with the windshield wipers going, and I loved it. The next time I saw Ben-Hur was seven years later, in a theatre, where it had been re-released. There had been no way to see it any other way, as it had never been released to TV. Now, with my modern hi-def TV, I can watch Ben-Hur on Blu-ray whenever I want, and I still dip through it from time to time, but it’s never going to give me the thrill that I got from that drive-in show in 1961.

    Or what has caused the modern obesity epidemic? (Which is not that big a problem, but never mind.) When I was growing up, food was rationed. Your mom gave you what you were going to eat on a plate, and when that was gone, there were no second helpings. Things like soda pop (which we called soft drinks) were bought maybe once a month. It was like a party. I didn’t actually get to eat my fill of anything until I went to University, and stayed in students” res, where you could eat all you wanted, because you had pre-paid for you meals at the beginning of the term. This was gluttony as great joy, but I had not known it until I was nineteen.

    And I lived a life of perfect luxury compared to my parents, who had been born in rural areas in Saskatchewan and Manitoba. Neither saw a movie until they were in their late teens, and of course there was no TV. But they had had happy childhoods, because they had been raised by kind, decent people who loved them, and so was I.

    What I’m getting at here is, if we have to, we can jettison the modern conveniences and entertainments so many people take for granted pretty quick. That won’t be a problem and in fact it may be a blessing.

    • One of my earliest memories was taking the polio vaccine by sugar cube. I thought it was pretty good at the time, I had no idea what it was about. It sure beat a shot though.

    • “Your mom gave you what you were going to eat on a plate, and when that was gone, there were no second helpings.”

      Two things.
      In my family you had to put servings on your plate, even if you hated the food.
      If you refused, my Father would put the food on your plate.

      You were not allowed to leave the table until everything on the plate had been eaten.
      My Father had a very short fuse regarding food. Both of my parents were Depression children.
      Forcing a showdown by refusing to eat something and Father made life unpleasant, like scrubbing all of the toilets in the house or cleaning the pig pen or chicken roost.

      I still can not leave food on my plate. And I faithfully debone every piece of meat from the Thanksgiving turkey before turning the turkey carcass into soup stock.

      We are inside and secluded for the duration. Today, I made bean soup from dried beans and beef bones.

      My Mother was well known as a truly awful cook.
      I happily cleaned the pig pen rather than eat her green chicken.
      Green because she used half a can of rosemary because she heard rosemary was a good spice for chicken.
      As my Brother described it, it was like eating a Christmas tree.

      At the time we kids decided if we were staying home when we spotted what’s for dinner.
      I was on the swim team at the time, before eye drops and goggles. When I entered the house, I stumbled back outside with my eyes tearing badly.
      I found a friend to visit during dinner.

      My Father was ticked off when only the two youngest out of five were at dinner with him. Even Mother found somewhere else to eat.
      As I said, I was happy to clean the pigpen instead of eating green chicken.

      My Sister, who told Mom about Rosemary being good for chicken laughed until she cried.

      The planned dish that night was chicken and dumplings. Which my Mother made by boiling a chicken into abject submission then adding wet flour dumplings to the same pot for the last thirty minutes.
      Her dumplings sank.
      Us kids usually loved the dumplings. One of my Brothers is still trying to figure out how to make leaden dumplings.

      I look forward towards the young generations learning such food sense.

      • Similar stories from one who was 5 when WWII ended and Dad came home from war, to Nth Queensland, to our 3 room fibro shack with no running water. We took what we could from local trees like mango, China apple, mulberry and guava.
        Mum made flour dumplings that sank while cooking in mulberries boiled in water. Break them open to see a beautiful, sweet rim of purple heaven.
        Then we got old enough to catch mud crabs, a food that I still rank as the best ever. Not so easy to catch because rustlers stole the wire netting crab pots to use elsewhere. But then, that is how we kids first got ours.
        And youngsters these days say we oldies can be ignored as no-nothings. Heck, at 17 I was flying military aircraft and starting on B.Eng., B.Sc. at Air Force Academy. At 15 I hand picked tobacco in humid, irrigated tropical lines. (Think of that, Greta.) Geoff S

        • Geoff, all that you describe here happened before 1990, therefore to Greta and her ilk, it never happened.

  5. Good example of how mass hysteria action can be stoked by a variety of reasons.

    The MSM have done their job resulting in panic buying depleting store shelves without any indication the supply chain has or will change.

  6. “climate related concerns so real that it has affected the mental health of a whole generation and created a situation whereby even small children are being encouraged by schools to worry obsessively and take action”

    If the climate emerhency has a case against fossil fuels, they should make that case without factual, statistical, and methodologocal errors and without the use of child exploitation, emotion, or a deadly virus outbreak. Just the facts, ma’am.

    https://tambonthongchai.com/2019/12/25/earth-day-wisdom/

    https://tambonthongchai.com/2019/09/21/boondoggle/

    https://tambonthongchai.com/2020/03/06/west-antarctic-ice-sheet-collapse/

  7. Good on you, Tony Brown, for posting the mob reaction story on the WATTS website. Here’s an interesting thought, COVID-19 is the fifth corona virus, the other most important ones being MERS and SARS. All of the previous four have been climate-reactive, that is, they expand amongst the population during winter and go almost dormant in summer. Therefore, a warming climate offers some protection from these viruses. Would someone please tell St. Greta about this before she sucedes in cooling down the planet?

  8. RE: “The way we treat our environment is a different issue and should be separated from the climate change hysteria…”
    We can lead people to knowledge, but we can’t make them think. Especially when they are already indoctrinated and running scared. If you want to stop a stampede, you have to stop the leaders at the head of the stampede. In this modern day and age, that means cutting off their funding sources and yanking them off stage. How do we do that? That is the Trillion dollar question…..

  9. The H0mo Irrationalius herd can be stampeded by any number of developments, not always scary ones.

    A relatively recent one was the “Dot Com” boom, (which I admit to being sucked along by for a short while).

    This was a fear of “missing out” on a boom, something akin to the goldrush days I guess.

    But Charles Mackay was very observant back in 1841 – we did go mad in crowds over dotcom, and only gradually regained our senses one by one. Even though I escaped with just a slight financial scare, if I’d read Mackay earlier, I would have invoked my basic rationality, and watched the dotcom startups from a distant sideline.

  10. The folks’ reaction to the dam burst rumor wasn’t all that irrational. link There had been local flooding and there had been a recent disastrous dam burst.

    The story is funny but the lesson shouldn’t be about a bunch of freaked out rubes. As far as I can tell, given the limits of the information available to them, they were reacting rationally.

    • From your own (and my) link

      “Thurber wrote. But “when the panic had died down and people had gone rather sheepishly back to their homes and their offices,…city engineers pointed out that even if the dam had broken, the water level would not have risen more than two additional inches in the West Side,” which was, Thurber noted, already under 30 feet of water. “The East Side (where we lived and where all the running occurred) had never been in any danger at all.”

      So it was irrational, the impossibility of flooding in their section of town was known which was why- until something sparked it-there had been no panic.

  11. Wuhan Flu journal : Day 67

    Its scary. Very scary. My chance of contracting the disease has increased to 0.000007%. I’m down to 34 rolls of toilet paper. I’d cook for myself but all I have is Chinese stir-fry, and I’m not falling for that. I’m smart see. Survival is all that matters.

  12. Those alarmed about Covid 19 but not the climate, can, for the first time, understand the depths of concern and alarm of those who feel that a Climate Armageddon is upon us.

    This is simply not comparing apples with apples hence false.

    • Those alarmed about Covid 19 but not about Witches and Warlocks, can, for the first time, understand the depths of concern and alarm of those who feel that their spells are upon us.

    • Too right, Michael. On the one hand we have rank speculation and hand waving, with a little voodoo mixed in. On the other, we have patients with positive test results and bodies in the morgue. Ultimate severity yet to be determined, but at least there is empirical evidence.

  13. we need to look at data & see it in context
    Coronavirus (COVID-19) Data
    Worldwide. [population 7.8billion] (Last updated: March 16, 2020, 00:05 GMT
    • Cases: 169,354 [is just 0.002% of population; or 1 in 49,710; or 1 person in 9 Royal Albert Halls ]
    (The Royal Albert Hall capacity = 5,272)
    • Recovered: 76,618
    • Deaths: 6,516 (3.8% mortality)[ 96.2% survival ]
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    UK. [population 67 million] Last updated: March 16, 2020, 00:50 GMT
    • Cases: 1,391 [is just 0.002% of population or 1 in 48,000; or 1 person in 9 Royal Albert Halls ]
    • Recovered: 20
    • Deaths: 35 (2.5% mortality) [ 97.5% survival ]
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/
    See also –
    https://informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/covid-19-coronavirus-infographic-datapack/
    https://ourworldindata.org/causes-of-death

    But seen in context …
    •Over the same period (Nov 2019-March 2020) – Just in the U.S. alone, seasonal flu has caused approximately 32 million illnesses, 310,000 hospitalizations and 18,000 deaths (5.8% mortality )[ 94.2% survival ], Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). 

    Coronavirus (COVID-19) UK Deaths = 5,416[ ~ 4mths ] (2.5% mortality)
    •Total UK Deaths in 2019 from seasonal Flu = 11,116
    • UK…1,770 reported road deaths year ending June 2018 (6.6% mortality)

    •313,218  Deaths caused by HIV/AIDS last year
    •182,757  Deaths caused by malaria last year
    •the 1918 ‘Spanish flu’ pandemic killed 50 million (origin – pig farm, Fort Riley in Kansas 1917)
    • Asian Flu 1957 killed ~2 million people
    •Hong Kong flu’ of 1968, killed ~1 million people
    • The 2009 H1N1 killed ~0.5 million people
    • Typical Seasonal Flu kills ~ 650,000 Every Year

    Nevertheless; It is a new strain, there is no fix yet.
    Age group 60+ (see links) are most at risk…so we must be careful… but not panic.
    Keep clean, keep safe

    • “the 1918 ‘Spanish flu’ pandemic killed 50 million (origin – pig farm, Fort Riley in Kansas 1917)”

      Unsubstantiated. It’s a possible source, as are several others, but a pig farm in Ft Riley is not certain.

  14. Panic early panic often?
    The Cult of Calamitous Climate were manufacturing fear and panic from the start.
    Stampede this way,give us all power over you and all your worldly goods..

    This Wuhan Flu is a little more real,it especially highlights the weak points of The New World,the borderless country concept and freedom of movement at whim.
    And the blatant dishonesty and malice of big government,who being a day late and at least a dollar short are here to help you.
    Viral spread loves the UNs housing concept,people moved off of the countryside and concentrated in vertical cages.
    Or as our effete elites keep prattling,high density housing.
    You know,those lovely buildings with a common air handling system.
    Sure we could panic but there again why bother?
    We all have life,which is 100% terminal,as far as I can tell.

    When being encouraged to panic,ask yourself ,Who gains?
    Life being a sexually transmitted terminal disease,is still the only blessing we know.
    Perhaps having a faith is necessary for that perspective?

    • I love that one liner John.
      “Life is a sexually transmitted terminal disease”
      I wonder who was the first to come up with that?
      Marilyn Duckworth 1984 (the date not the book) perhaps?

  15. ”Reports that say that something hasn’t happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know.” Donald Rumsfeld.
    Sort of explains it all. I think.

  16. The same actors behind the Global Warming scare are the ones manipulating the hysteria of the COVID-19 cough. You can fool some of the people all of the time (they swallow anything) and all of the people dome of the time( they fall for at least one of the rackets).

    The agenda is basically the same. Less freedom for us more control for the rulers, big profits for related industries, depopulation.

    Anyone think rushing to market under tested experimental vaccines that change populations DNA? Sad thing is some folks wont see a problem.

  17. Anyone quoting Thurber is off to a great start.

    “Thurber describes someone running, probably because they were late. One or two others joined the runner for their own reasons. Other people heard the noise and came out on to the High Street to see what was happening. Perhaps already aware of the rumour, upon seeing the runner, yet more townsfolk started running towards the East for safety. As more people did so, yet more followed, and shouts of ‘the Dam has broken”’ could be heard.”

    Which basically describes the plans some of our West coast cities have for dealing with volcano eruptions and lahars. Walk, don’t run to some high place…

    “This ‘no consequences’ belief that one way of life can be effortlessly and seamlessly exchanged for another, without huge costs and disruption, does not stand close scrutiny.”

    But, that along with the disaster fantasies are exactly what the activist alarmists promulgate. They are not held to common sense, logic or any form of reality.

    Even their alleged research keeps stating that they (alarmists) are not reaching enough to get climate action legislation passed.
    Their solution is for more propaganda at more locations.

  18. Some years ago now, our eldest was required to do a class-wide carbon-footprint questionairre whilst at secondary school. We were the only family in the class to even come close to the recommendations and we don’t even believe in the carbon catastrophe. It seems most improbable that all of the students and their families involved would have been of a similar long-held “denier” belief. Therefore, the only conclusion that could be reasonably considered from this, without further information, is that those who do believe in the possibility of a carbon dioxide catastrophe (other than an insufficiency of same for plant growth) don’t always follow their words with appropriate actions.

  19. MOD:
    Could you pls release my reply to Ed Zuiderwijk? This way there is no way I can engage in a discussion.
    I should be a know quantity by now – have occasionally been posting here fir years.
    Thx.

  20. The U. S. CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 2018–2019 season included an estimated 35.5 million people getting sick with influenza, 16.5 million people going to a health care provider for their illness, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths from influenza.

    The country did not shut down, toilet paper was available, Nike stores stayed open.
    An estimated 36,000 people die from auto accidents each year.
    Close all roads.
    An estimated 12,000 people die from falling down steps each year.
    Ban stairs.
    These are just deaths. These are not simple injuries, or even serious ones. Just deaths.
    Yet coffee and pastry shops remain open.
    In 2018, there were around 5,000 choking deaths in the United States.
    Ban eating.
    No need for toilet paper. Save trees.

    I know some will want to tell me what I’ve missed. Save it.

    • What you’ve missed is the blindingly obvious. Thats ok, you aren’t interested in finding out what that may be so you better stop reading here.

      All those things are going to happen this year too. The difference is that there are going to be tens of thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands of additional very sick people all needing IC treatment at the same time. You might want to review some of the first hand accounts from Italian doctors to see how serious this is going to get. I’d hate to be living in a country with no public health system.
      https://www.euronews.com/2020/03/12/coronavirus-italy-doctors-forced-to-prioritise-icu-care-for-patients-with-best-chance-of-s

      • Give it a month and infections go down massively as people who have been sick are immune and there are fewer people to infect. This is how it works. I agree with a reduction in transmission rates to reduce the spikes but it’s gone all a bit nuts. A want to do whatever it takes to get it to zero – a halting of major parts of the economy. Lessons will be learned I’m sure but how much damage will it do to economy before people realize what experts should be saying instead of basing it on an ideal. Pragmatism works.

        • Give it a month and infections go down massively as people who have been sick are immune and there are fewer people to infect.

          it will be longer than a month. Neither the UK nor US are anywhere close to the peak yet.

  21. “Do you believe the science about one crisis but remain sceptical about the science of the other?”

    I am sckeptical about all science. This is just because science is organized skepticism.

    But reflecting on the sciences involved I can see major differences in theories and data that cause me to change my degree of belief about the things said by and about each one.

    The discussion of COVID19 is based on epidemiology. The theories of epidemiology have been worked out over the last 150 years. They are not terribly complicated and they do not depend on systems of differential equations that have a sensitive dependence on initial conditions. The data used is also simple and easy to gather. Death is pretty definite. Hospitalizations are well measured. Diseases can be tested for and diagnosed with fair certainty. Finally, the scenarios play themselves out fairly quickly. We will have a pretty definite knowledge of COVID19 within the next three months.

    “Climate Science” OTOH, is based on models that do display a sensitive dependence on initial conditions. The models are so complex that many equations are replaced by simple linear parametrizations. The data is woeful. Most of the earths surface does not have weather stations. Even where there are stations, many of them do not conform to proper design criteria. Going back into the past is even more fraught. The record people are fond of talking about is less than 200 years, and eye blink in geological time. Even the most important constant in the whole enterprise is not well established. (Equilibrium Climate Sensitivity which IPCC 5 says it 3°C +/- 1.5; that range is a confession of failure)

    Further, epidemiology makes its predicitons in terms of deaths. Not much guesswork there. “Climate Science tries to tell us what a degree of warming means, and it must fail. If the seas will rise 0.5 m, what does that mean? Catastrophe or moving to higher ground?

    Science is a method. The facts and theories it uses must be subject to skepticism. I can and will accept one theory and reject another and accept one set of data and reject another. They do nopt cross validate.

  22. Thanks Charles for posting my article.

    When I was reviewing it prior to submission, events had moved on, so I wrote the addendum. I was struck by my last phrases

    “Humanity is fickle. Interest passes and fixates on something else. There are many very worthy causes that warrant man’s attention and interest and consequently perhaps something else perceived to be even more terrible than a ‘Climate Emergency’ will take centre stage.*

    (*See the note at the head of this article concerning Covid 19-corona basis)”

    Well that certainly happened didn’t it, in a few short weeks. As a result the ‘climate emergency’ now seems rather quaint, dated, from another era, as if it were black and white newsreel from another era. Instead it has been replaced by a multi coloured burst of sound and colour of something with all the hallmarks of a genuine emergency-whether you believe the science or not- from the amount of instant panic it has engendered , the stockpiling, the financial crisis and the disruption to peoples every day lives.

    This is how some activists have always viewed the climate of course, that urgent life changing action is needed immediately to avert it. To most of us it is merely a distant threat, if considered a concern at all, and I am becoming nostalgic for the distant controlled climate panic as being much preferable to the in your face immediate hysteria of Corona virus we are currently experiencing.

    So I for one will be glad when the ‘climate emergency’ replaces the Covid 19 emergency on the world news agenda.

    Tony Brown

    • So I for one will be glad when the ‘climate emergency’ replaces the Covid 19 emergency on the world news agenda.

      I’ll be happier when the real Covid 19 emergency and the fake “Climate emergency” are both fading memories and not replaced by any other emergencies for a while.

      Consequently, perhaps those alarmed about Covid 19 but not the climate, can, for the first time, understand the depths of concern and alarm of those who feel that a Climate Armageddon is upon us.

      Consequently, perhaps those alarmed about Covid 19 but not the Invisible Pink Unicorn stampede emergency, can, for the first time, understand the depths of concern and alarm of those who feel that a Invisible Pink Unicorn stampede Armageddon is upon us.

      Makes as much sense as what you wrote.

    • Speaking for myself, Tony, I can’t get riled up by either emergency. Despite the fact that there is true evidence that COVID-19 is a matter for some concern. And I’m over 60, with a heart condition and respiratory issues, still going into work each day on the train to NYC.

  23. When FDR presented his inaugural speech, little did he know 87 years later it would be about as appropriate as it gets.
    Quote
    “So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is…fear itself — nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance. In every dark hour of our national life a leadership of frankness and of vigor has met with that understanding and support of the people themselves which is essential to victory. And I am convinced that you will again give that support to leadership in these critical days”.
    The fear we all have or should have, is the illogical fear induced actions of others.
    That anxiety is rational unlike what is happening with first, the Climate Alarmists, and now the Virus Over Reactors.

  24. Just like ‘climate’ We need to look at data & see it in context
    Coronavirus (COVID-19) Data (Last updated: March 16, 2020, 00:05 GMT )
    Worldwide. [population 7.8billion]
    • Cases: 169,354 [is just 0.002% of population; or 1 in 49,710; or 1 person in 9 Royal Albert Halls ]
    (The Royal Albert Hall capacity = 5,272)
    • Recovered: 76,618
    • Deaths: 6,516 (3.8% mortality)[ 96.2% survival ]

    UK. [population 67 million]
    • Cases: 1,391 [is just 0.002% of population or 1 in 48,000; or 1 person in 9 Royal Albert Halls ]
    • Recovered: 20
    • Deaths: 35 (2.5% mortality) [ 97.5% survival ]

    But seen in context …
    •Over the same period (Nov 2019-March 2020) – Just in the U.S. alone, seasonal flu has caused approximately 32 million illnesses, 310,000 hospitalizations and 18,000 deaths (5.8% mortality )[ 94.2% survival ], Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

    Coronavirus (COVID-19) UK Deaths = 35 [ ~ 4mths ] (2.5% mortality)
    •Total UK Deaths in 2019 from seasonal Flu = 11,116
    • UK…1,770 reported road deaths year ending June 2018 (6.6% mortality)

    •313,218 Deaths caused by HIV/AIDS last year
    •182,757 Deaths caused by malaria last year
    •the 1918 ‘Spanish flu’ pandemic killed 50 million (origin – pig farm, Fort Riley in Kansas 1917)
    • Asian Flu 1957 killed ~2 million people
    •Hong Kong flu’ of 1968, killed ~1 million people
    • The 2009 H1N1 killed ~0.5 million people
    • Typical Seasonal Flu kills ~ 650,000 Every Year

    Nevertheless; It is a new strain, there is no fix yet.
    Age group 60+ (see links) are most at risk…so we must be careful… but not panic.

    Keep clean, keep safe.

    I’ve removed the WHO / NHS data links cos they put me in moderation, ???

    • If you used multiple links, that’s a surefire way to get the post put in moderation limbo. regardless of the quality or source of the links. I’ve had it happen to me a time or two. Usually (hours later) the post eventually makes it through.

  25. The one advantage to this SARS2-covid19 economic shutdown is to show people what society might be like without fossil fuels, as Tony Brown outlines in his article.

    After a month of staying mainly away from others, with world supply chains of parts and food failing, everyone bored silly, and individual and business incomes greatly reduced, twill be interesting to see how people feel.

    Then imagine if we’re required to stay home for an extra 2 or 3 months.
    -/-

    Someone said there will be more bankruptcies than deaths from this coronavirus.

  26. So nice, Tony, like yr long history of whether, context counts…
    Herewith ‘Do not fergit Menken’s advice on yr guvumint keepin’ the populace al-ah-med. Guess but veri-fie ‘n mebbe listen to The Goodies re fallible humans and Madness of Crowds. A serf. (

  27. The problem with the idea is that England’s population today is about 10x as many – with the same resources available. Many will have to be “left behind”.

  28. Cracking a nut with a sledgehammer

    The die has been cast, no going back

    Sit back and enjoy another lesson in group psychology. Teach your children well

    Economists put a monetary value on a human life. Get past 65 and it goes into the red. You wouldn’t think so right now

    I am almost 70. Anyone I know in my age group shrug their shoulders and say the likes of “if your numbers are up…..” We are not panicking. It’s the reaction of the authority and MSM mob that is worrying. Get fined for leaving my house? Go F yourself

    My parents told me on a number of occasions exactly where they were when the news broke out that Britain had declared war on Germany came over the radio. They were courting. Dad knew that he would be going. I have often mused on how my and subsequent generations has had it easy. We had no problems so created them in the likes of climate change mania or ‘masculine toxicity’

    The developed world is sick. Maybe this pandemic may cure it a little – put things in perspective for a little while e.g. borders are borders, and people identify with those of their own kind, for a good reason

    M

  29. … and created a situation whereby even small children are being encouraged by schools to worry obsessively …

    How abut “creating the situation” where small (and not so small) children are taught the following in schools instead of a list of things to “worry obsessively” about :
    – Critical thinking
    – Logical fallacies, and how to spot them
    – Questioning the orthodoxy (and how to do so without getting into trouble with “the authorities / the experts” …)
    – Don’t panic (and always know where your towel is)
    – Keep calm and carry on (UK only)

  30. Similar stories from one who was 5 when WWII ended and Dad came home from war, to Nth Queensland, to our 3 room fibro shack with no running water. We took what we could from local trees like mango, China apple, mulberry and guava.
    Mum made flour dumplings that sank while cooking in mulberries boiled in water. Break them open to see a beautiful, sweet rim of purple heaven.
    Then we got old enough to catch mud crabs, a food that I still rank as the best ever. Not so easy to catch because rustlers stole the wire netting crab pots to use elsewhere. But then, that is how we kids first got ours.
    And youngsters these days say we oldies can be ignored as no-nothings. Heck, at 17 I was flying military aircraft and starting on B.Eng., B.Sc. at Air Force Academy. At 15 I hand picked tobacco in humid, irrigated tropical lines. (Think of that, Greta.) Geoff S

  31. “AIR CONDITIONING THE MOTHER EARTH ”
    https://simpleflying.com/australia-a319-antarctica-rescue-mission/

    #-30°CAntarcticaRescueMission

    https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2020/03/07/arctic-sea-ice-icebreaker-trapped-resupplying-moasic/
    -30⁰C, SECOND RUSSIAN ICE CUTTER RESCUEING ANOTHER ICE CUTTER AND 40 CLIMATE RESEARCHERS!!!!!!!!
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/51711127

    https://lnkd.in/edUAPXM
    #GlobalWarmingGroupsSettingFires 
    #HumenAndAnimalsPerished
    #ArrestCriminalActivists
    #SaveMotherEarthFromCriminals
    #MeltingDeicingAreTwoDiffrentProcess #ShouldWePayTaxesForTheAirWeAreBreathing?
    #CO2GangsDistroyingMotherEarth
    #WorldBankAndEDCdoingTheirJOBS #DonotMixClimateWithEcnomicDevelopment
    #unep #unfccc #noaa #ipcc #pulitzerprize #nobelpeaceprizecommitte #350org #notco2 #nasa #cop26 #waterprize #stopsearisenow #globalcoastalstrategies #1000ppmCO2noproblem
    #ClimateKliptomania #ClimateHoax #ClimateStrike
    #airconditioningthemotherearth #ChallengingGlacialScintists
    #earthscieenceconferencecommitty #parisagreement
    RAVEENDRAN NARAYANAN

  32. “Do you believe the science about one crisis but remain sceptical about the science of the other?”

    This is one of those questions that cannot be answered without incriminating yourself, like “Do you still beat your wife?” The only defense to such a question is to ask another question, like: “What science are you talking about?” Then keep asking questions until the climate fear mongers have to admit that they have no real science on their side.

    It is time that these charlatans are required to support their claims with more than hyperbole and proclamations.

    • Science is a method. The facts and theories it uses must be subject to skepticism. I can and will accept one theory and reject another and accept one set of data and reject another. They do not cross validate.

  33. “Do you believe the science about one crisis but remain sceptical about the science of the other?”

    1) belief is a function of religion, not of science. The second you start asking people if they believe in science you’ve revealed your true purpose is to identify who the heretics are that don’t follow your little cult.

    2) Science is not a homogenous monolith. Not all science is created equal (some of it’s rooted in hard physical facts whereas some others are based on unproven ideas, some of it uses robust method and tools, while others use a poor hodge-podge of instruments with no applied rigor and lots of “adjustments” to “make up” for it) and *gasp* it’s not always right. Geo-centrism was science. Do you believe in geo-centrism? No? How dare you not believe in science! Phlogiston was science. Do you believe in phlogiston? no? How dare you not believe in science! Lysenkoism was science. Do you believe in Lysenkoism? No,? The KGB will be around to see to it that you get re-educated into doing so.

    So yes, one can “believe” in the very real dangers of the coronavirus (due the hard physical facts that people are getting sick and dying from it) while not at all believing in the so-called “dangers” of CAGW (which has no such hard physical facts backing it up, just a lot of conjecture and “because science says so” handwaving).

    • “1) belief is a function of religion, not of science.”

      Not belief as such, but blind faith. Belief is fine in science, based on the evidence you have.

  34. Please add Ben Elton’s book, This Other Eden’ to the list.
    It is probably closest to the climate emergency meme.
    Nobody quite knew what started the panic but across the world people entered their biospheres and locked themselves and engaged the time lock.

    I explain to my children that we share genetics with sheep. When a flock is running across a paddock and one jumps the rest will follow suit. I tell them it looks stupid but just once in sheep history there was a crevasse and those that did not have the instinct to jump no longer reproduced.

    I don’t agree with this madness of crowds but I know that it has something essential to our evolution in its existence.

  35. As a country, canada seems to run on virtue signaling more than most
    The number of jurisdictions that have passed “climate emergency” directives is astounding.
    It would help me if places like Whistler and Victoria in BC did not proclaim such emergencies on the same websites where they brag of how many tourists they attract each year and how much money they are spending to attract even more
    This year they will get to see what true implementation of climate emergency policies will bring as their tourism based economies collapse.
    I doubt they will get the irony.

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