Guest essay by Eric Worrall
The U.S. House of Representatives Select Committee on the Climate Crisis has demanded Google demonetize climate skeptics, and provide education to millions of people who have been exposed to “dangerous misinformation”.
If the letter is not readable on your device, the original link is available here.
The key actions demanded:
- Stop promoting climate denial and climate disinformation videos by removing them immediately from the platform’s recommendation algorithm.
- Add ‘climate misinformation’ to the platform’s list of borderline content
- Stop monetising videos that promote harmful misinformation and falsehoods about the causes and effects of the climate crisis.
- Take steps to correct the record for millions of users who have been exposed to the climate misinformation on YouTube.
The people who wrote that letter seem to believe ordinary people are too stupid to figure things out for themselves; they think voters have to be guided into making acceptable choices, by experts like the Democrat majority members of The U.S. House of Representatives Select Committee on the Climate Crisis.
Update(EW): Elizabeth Warren has just announced criminal penalties for tech companies which spread “disinformation”, if the purpose of that alleged disinformation is judged to voter suppression.
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OMG this is so insidious. We all know its been going on but even so.
This is the equivalent of book burning in the modern world.
You got that right.
But wait. If they bury “Climate Misinformation” the Climate Crisis goes away. This falls into the category of “Be careful what you wish for. You just might get it.”
Nazi book-burning party in Berlin circa 1933…..
Yes, what Elizabeth Warren brazenly calls “disinformation” is really just different opinions. Immanuel Kant described the Enlightenment as “humankind’s emergence from its self-incurred immaturity”, and its submission to “dogmas and formulae” of religion or political authority.
We must defend Enlightenment – that amazing wave of rational, intellectual and humanistic understanding of our human condition which swept over Europe from the mid-18th century – and is the basis for our whole present modern civilisation, such as schools, hospitals, free press – and even the US constitution. Enlightenment is under attack these days – e.g. from ignoramuses like Warren.
Kant Kant Kant Kant Kanty Kant Kant Kant…Sorry just enjoying some of my self-incurred immaturity.
The real irony is what these Imaginary Climate Crisis True Believers see as “truth” IS the “dangerous disinformation.”
Spot on, AGW is Not Science. That is indeed ironic. But that is just how the human psyche works, I am afraid. We get convinced by rumour or by consensus that danger lurks – and, like a flock of grey sparrows all taking flight together, we all (or almost all!) think that we are doing the right, sensible and justifiable thing in reacting like we do.
My comfort is that we, like grey sparrows, eventually come to our senses and realise we were mistaken. And when will that happen? Well, the process is already beginning, I believe – mainly through Donald Trump’s rational actions over the last 3 years.
The way I look at it, the “man caused global warming true believers” may have presented their case, but, they have not proven it. If they really know what is going on, they can tell us exactly how much human activity is effecting climate to 1%, +or- 1%., and their “model” should be better than the national weather bureau forecast for one week.
Yup. Trying to restrict freedom of speech.
Looking back, I called it in 2012 (below) and maybe earlier. The phony climate scare was always a smokescreen for the extreme left’s true intention – total control.
Excerpt from my 2012 post below:
50 million people died in Hitler’s WW2. Josef Stalin killed another 50 million of his own people in internal purges. Leftist hero Mao gets the prize, killing as many as 80 million Chinese during his Great Leap Backward.
The radical environmental movement has done equally well, rivaling Mao for fatalities caused by the banning of DDT and the misallocation of scarce global resources on the fraud of catastrophic humanmade global warming.
Since many of these enviro radicals are latter-day Malthusians, Club of Rome types, etc., it is reasonable to assume that THIS WAS THEIR INTENTION.
Regards, Allan
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/06/24/weekly-climate-and-energy-news-roundup-53/#comment-855037
Instead of arguing about the science of global warming, we should just listen to what these enviro radicals are actually SAYING and DOING.
Maybe they know their global warming science is bogus, but it suits their purpose to use global warming hysteria as a smokescreen to mask their true intentions.
The radical warmists have done everything in their power to starve the world of fossil fuel energy that is required for continued global prosperity.
They have squandered a trillion dollars of scarce global resources on catastrophic humanmade global warming (CAGW) nonsense.
Investing these squandered resources in clean drinking water and sanitation alone would have saved the ~50 million kids who died from drinking contaminated water in the past 25+ years of CAGW hysteria.
Intelligent use of these scarce global resources could have easily saved as many people as were killed in the atrocities of Hitler, Stalin, or Mao.
50 million people died in Hitler’s WW2. Josef Stalin killed another 50 million of his own people in internal purges. Leftist hero Mao gets the prize, killing as many as 80 million Chinese during his Great Leap Backward.
The radical environmental movement has done equally well, rivaling Mao for fatalities caused by the banning of DDT and the misallocation of scarce global resources on the fraud of catastrophic humanmade global warming.
Since many of these enviro radicals are latter-day Malthusians, Club of Rome types, etc., it is reasonable to assume that THIS WAS THEIR INTENTION.
Is this too radical a proposal? Well, NO it is not: In addition to what the radical enviros DO, let’s EXAMINE what they SAY (h/t to Wayne):
http://green-agenda.com/
”My three goals would be to reduce human population to about 100 million worldwide, destroy the industrial infrastructure and see wilderness, with its full complement of species, returning throughout the world.”
David Foreman,
co-founder of Earth First!
”A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.”
Ted Turner,
Founder of CNN and major UN donor
”The prospect of cheap fusion energy is the worst thing that could happen to the planet.”
Jeremy Rifkin,
Greenhouse Crisis Foundation
”Giving society cheap, abundant energy would be the equivalent of giving an idiot child a machine gun.”
Paul Ehrlich,
Professor of Population Studies,
Author: “Population Bomb”, “Ecoscience”
”The big threat to the planet is people: there are too many, doing too well economically and burning too much oil.”
Sir James Lovelock,
BBC Interview
”We need to get some broad based support, to capture the public’s imagination… So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements and make little mention of any doubts… Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest.”
Stephen Schneider,
Stanford Professor of Climatology,
Lead author of many IPCC reports
”Unless we announce disasters no one will listen.”
Sir John Houghton,
First chairman of the IPCC
”It doesn’t matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true.”
Paul Watson,
Co-founder of Greenpeace
”Childbearing should be a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license. All potential parents should be required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes to citizens chosen for childbearing.”
David Brower,
First Executive Director of the Sierra Club
”We’ve got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy.”
Timothy Wirth,
President of the UN Foundation
”No matter if the science of global warming is all phony… climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.”
Christine Stewart,
former Canadian Minister of the Environment
”The only way to get our society to truly change is to frighten people with the possibility of a catastrophe.”
Emeritus Professor Daniel Botkin
”Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?”
Maurice Strong,
Founder of the UN Environmental Program
”A massive campaign must be launched to de-develop the United States. De-Development means bringing our economic system into line with the realities of ecology and the world resource situation.”
Paul Ehrlich,
Professor of Population Studies,
Author: “Population Bomb”, “Ecoscience”
”If I were reincarnated I would wish to return to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.”
Prince Phillip, Duke of Edinburgh,
husband of Queen Elizabeth II,
Patron of the Patron of the World Wildlife Foundation
”The only hope for the world is to make sure there is not another United States. We can’t let other countries have the same number of cars, the amount of industrialization we have in the US. We have to stop these third World countries right where they are.”
Michael Oppenheimer
Environmental Defense Fund
”Global Sustainability requires the deliberate quest of poverty, reduced resource consumption and set levels of mortality control.”
Professor Maurice King
”Current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class – involving high meat intake, use of fossil fuels, appliances, air-conditioning, and suburban housing – are not sustainable.”
Maurice Strong,
Rio Earth Summit
”Complex technology of any sort is an assault on the human dignity. It would be little short of disastrous for us to discover a source of clean, cheap, abundant energy, because of what we might do with it.”
Amory Lovins,
Rocky Mountain Institute
”I suspect that eradicating small pox was wrong. it played an important part in balancing ecosystems.”
John Davis,
Editor of Earth First! Journal
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Those statements are quite horrifying.
Thank you for this. We are SO far beyond the stage where it’s useful to indulge in mockery and joking about these people. They have already engaged the services of the Vatican, the UN, the media, public and private educational institutions, and respected celebrities to prepare for an epic-scale classic Marxist-Leninist assault on our liberties. For the sake of future generations start taking them at their word and use the rights you still have, and FIGHT BACK.
Especially when you realize they are dead serious, and given a chance will carry out their plans/dreams. These people and their ideas must be exposed and repudiated at every opportunity.
Who in heck determines what is misinformation, Al Gore?
The government will determine what you need to know. Anything beyond that is treason and will be handled appropriately.
He was considered a senior advisor to Google in the past, so I guess so… even says so on Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore
Maybe still a special advisor.
Al Gore and Prince Charles are part of the lunatic fringe. Castor wants all of to be.
… and therein lies the crux of the argument against censorship.
Google is already evil, in ways most people have no way of understanding. Google already have way, way too much power and are already leveraging that power to force the progressive narrative by deplatforming those with alternative views and promoting “acceptable” positions. Things will only get worse and it is unlikely to ever get better. There is a revolving door that connects Google and the US Government and it is unlikely to get closed any time soon – Google is just too rich!
This sort of push from legislators is the direct result of DC being piled high with Google alumni bending the ears and lining the pockets of DC lawmakers.
The Democratic Party’s current policy is straight out the quotes of Vladimir Lenin.
“Free speech is a bourgeois prejudice.”
“Truth is the most precious thing. That’s why we should ration it.”
https://www.azquotes.com/author/8716-Vladimir_Lenin
“Truth is the most precious thing. That’s why we should ration it.”
“We can and must write in a language which sows among the masses hate, revulsion, and scorn toward those who disagree with us.”
“There are no morals in politics; there is only expedience. A scoundrel may be of use to us just because he is a scoundrel.”
“Free speech is a bourgeois prejudice.”
“The press should be not only a collective propagandist and a collective agitator, but also a collective organizer of the masses.”
“People always have been and they always will be stupid victims of deceit and self-deception in politics.”
“It is, of course, much easier to shout, abuse, and howl than to attempt to relate, to explain.”
“Democracy is indispensable to socialism.”
“The goal of socialism is communism.”
“The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation.”
“Trust is good, but control is better.”
“As an ultimate objective, “peace” simply means communist world control.”
“One of the basic conditions for the victory of socialism is the arming of the workers Communist and the disarming of the bourgeoisie the middle class.”
“One man with a gun can control 100 without one.”
“Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.”
“Give me just one generation of youth, and I’ll transform the whole world.”
___________________________________
In Soviet defector Yuri Bezmenov’s 1984 interview he predicts everything that is happening now.
https://youtu.be/bX3EZCVj2XA
_______________________________________
Lenin’s classic leftist propaganda tactics were refined by Josef Goebbels to mobilize the German public for World War 2.
These same leftist propaganda tactics were later simplified by American extremist Saul Alinsky in “Rules for Radicals”:
https://bolenreport.com/saul-alinskys-12-rules-radicals/
_______________________________________
See also this treatise on the leftists’ decades-long program to corrupt our institutions:
https://centerforindividualism.org/the-lefts-long-march-through-the-institutions-is-now-pretty-much-complete-and-its-a-disaster/
_______________________________________
See also:
WHAT THE GREEN NEW DEAL IS REALLY ABOUT — AND IT’S NOT THE CLIMATE
By Allan M.R. MacRae, B.A.Sc., M.Eng., July 19, 2019
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/07/20/what-the-green-new-deal-is-really-about-and-its-not-the-climate/
Everyone, especially Americans, should take the little time required to read this essay:
https://newcriterion.com/issues/2019/10/leninthink
If you’re at all observant, you’ll come away from it with a greater understanding of the Democrats in particular and many other powerful political movements in the western world. Everything points inevitably to 30 years of this propaganda approaching its climax: it’s never been about science or the planet, but complete one-party control. Trump painted a target on his back the moment the words “drain the swamp” left his mouth. They tried to remove the Bushes and Reagan as well – but nobody remembers it and the media certainly aren’t going to remind you. Fight the bastards!
They’re using the climate thing to get racial and economic justice: https://ajustclimate.org/
Those might be reasonable goals but the climate thing is so complicated already- we don’t need to add political agendas.
No, “justice” needs no modifier, if it has one it is not “justice”, it is subversive political crap meant to divide the people of America.
Exactly. What the hell is “economic justice“ anyway? Equality of outcome regardless of talent, drive, or skill? No thank you. No communism today please, I don’t want to throw up my breakfast.
“The First Amendment guarantees basic freedoms. The Second Amendment exists to guarantee the First.”
They will have bury every piece of information that supports the claim of AGM.
More Orwellian every day, aren’t they?
It was inevitable – that’s the path they chose, and it always leads to the dark side.
Thank goodness for Donald Trump!
Here is a listing of Senators and their respective email contact information
https://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
Thought I had a link for the House also but apparently not.
And here is a link to locate your Rep by Zip Code
https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative
Well good! That means googly will be banning all the climate liars, such as Mikee Mannless, Al Gore:TheGoreacle, St Greta of Angst and the United Nations of Liespewers. I am all for it.
Please don’t joke about creeping Fascism in your country, sir.
I am not joking, silence the lie spewers, they are enemies of the entire human race.
No, silencing the “lie spewers” is a dangerous mistake. Free speech and debate are the answer. Sunlight is the best disinfectant for bad ideas.
You get it. Bless you!
Lies are not debate. Propaganda is not debate. Silencing both is in the interest of the advance of the human race.
2h9-
How are lies determined and who determines them?
What about lying with facts?
Who says what is propaganda and what is not?
Is the alarmist claim that “20** was the warmest year ever recorded”, a lie, propaganda, or what?
Your viewpoint is a recipe for the suppression of “officially unapproved” speech.
“officially approved” is what needs to be suppressed. The Democrat Party line needs to be suppressed. The human caused global warming line needs to be suppressed. These are the tactics the left has been using against us, their repeatedly proclaimed enemies, and these are the tactics we have to use against them. When Democrats herald censorship then WE must censor them, only in that way will the whole censorship issue collapse in on itself, when all see it for what it is. Continue to surrender and allow Democrat Party and the rest of the political left to use censorship where and as they choose we, America, will continue to lose.
You know perfectly well that isn’t going to happen, therefore it’s a joke, and not a good one under the circumstances.
Use the tactics and weapons of your enemies against them. Sound military doctrine, long past time it was applied to the political left.
It means they are gunning for Tony Heller and his dog Toto and all his YouTube videos.
And Tony can head over to https://www.full30.com/ where he will be welcomed and his audience expanded. We like dogs, too.
Hotel: So what good is that! I thought it was a you tube competitor. Is there one? Why not?
So, you don’t want any competition for boobtube? Is your IRA heavily invested in boobtube?
Tony Heller is already demonetized – there are no ads on his Youtube videos. Although this could be his own choice – to make his stuff easier to follow and digest his facts.
As I understand it, if you post a video, you can ask for a range of advertising options (how many, how frequently they appear, can they be skipped in part or totally, etc.).
They have other options like making videos harder to find, not being recommended when you view similar themes, etc. They can also cancel your channel (but I have to confess I have no understanding of what a youtube channel actually is)
And who, other than the individual him/her self, it to be the ultimate judge of what is a lie and what is a truth?
In other words, God gave you a brain . . . why do want to rely on someone else’s to determine your life’s path?
I don’t. Again, use the tactics and weapons of your enemies against them. Democrat Party wants censorship? Fine! Censor them. Silence them at every turn. That is what Democrats and the rest of the political left have been doing, time to do it to them.
I don’t have any problem with this. Readers of the Leninthink essay will learn that they have not and never will let mere morality prevent them from achieving their goals. Their lust for absolute one-party control is all that matters. There’s no longer any question that the Democrats have based their entire platform and agenda on Marxism-Leninism, and treating them the old, honourable Marquess of Queensberry way is only going to result in failure.
As an FYI to those not familiar with Congressional procedures, which ever party holds the majority in the House gets to appoint committee chairs. That same party holds the majority on those committees.
So it is not surprising that the Democrat controlled committee would vote to put out this kind of letter.
The current crop of Democrats in Washington are of like mind in that they require everyone to see things their way because the rest of us are all too stupid to know better. They will use whatever means to get what they want.
Kathy Castor is a Congresswoman who represents Tampa and the surrounding area. It is an area infested with liberal Democrats and always votes that way.
Tom
And according to her official congressional website, Castor has an education in law, and prior work experience as a Democratic politician. There is no evidence presented that she has credentials that qualify her for ‘oversight’ on what is really a science question.
That is typical for committee assignments. Most politicians have no formal training in area that the so called oversight committee deals with. The name really means they have oversight of the money to be allocated and usually do so for personal and political reasons.
That’s because it’s not and never has been a science question. They could have put any number of Marxist clones in her seat.
Isn’t this against the law with Google being a public company and with a government organization directing a business what it should be doing?
It’s only illegal if someone cares and acts. It’s unlikely anyone cares or will act. So, no, in reality, it’s not illegal even if it is illegal.
So far they’re not doing anything beyond “urging”. The First Amendment says “Congress shall make no law… abridging the freedom of speech.” “Urging” is not “making law,” so obviously they’re hoping that Google and YouTube will “cooperate.”
It’ll be tricky, though: Google and YouTube, being private entities, can ban or block or demonetize anything they want, for any reason. (I have a hard time believe that anyone is monetizing climate science videos, but maybe they are.) However, as soon at it appears that Congress is considering making law to tall G and YT what to publish, then anyone has standing to file a lawsuit on First Amendment grounds.
Does the monopoly of these powerful firms trouble lawmakers? Particularly when they are powerful tools for one-sided politics!
Hey gov went after a very religious baker who wouldn’t make a wedding cake for a same sex couple! At least there are alternate bakers to choose from.
Can’t they go after google for deciding whose websites get buried in the search engine on the basis of politics? Or You Tube putting negative editorials on some customers video based on political persuasion?
This only bothers Democrats when someone else is controlling the monopoly.
Google has a monopoly?
Youtube has a monopoly?
Can someone define “monopoly?”
https://www.startpage.com/sp/search
https://vimeo.com/
It has been practiced in Germany in 1930s, with a great success.
That is Facism to a T. Private ownership and government direction.
Why is there no action from Trump on insidious monopolies like google, facebook, etc. These are unabashedly politically biased players involved in possible sedition, but certainly subversion in using their platforms for partisan political ends.
Google’s engineers did a study several years ago when they were gung ho on renewables. To their surprise, once the numbers were in they concluded this avenue was not feasible! We won’t see any ‘GoogleKnew#’ of course.
Using a position of power to subvert science should be considered a treasonous abuse of power given the unnecessary economic harm to America that green virtue signaling causes, especially to the extent that it’s the primary reason driving incredibly unsound policy. The fact that Castor wants to suppress the truth in favor of her green fantasy supporting these policies shows consciousness of guilt that her facts are wrong. I’d be willing to bet that the extent of her understanding comes from MSNBC and CNN sound bites passed on to her by her staff.
If a “private” company does something on behalf of government, the “private company” argument no longer has merit.
Let’s see, might this be the end for “hottest year ever recorded”, “97% of scientists…”, “increasing hurricanes and other climate disasters”, etc.
Sure.
No, it will not. Joke all you want – they have an endless supply of little blue plastic bags, cf. “The Killing Fields.”
“They” have made no attempt to hide their intent to deploy those figurative plastic bags.
Perhaps a team of skeptic climate scientists (Judith Curry and friends?) could write a responding letter to them , copied to our esteemed committee, demanding that if such censorship is implemented, they also demonetize and demote the other kind of climate disinformation. The alarmist kind. Isn’t that equally as damaging? Doesn’t that also stifle climate action?
It would be easy to make a list of such information, starting with Ms Thunberg’s statements, and quotes from the Guardian, LA Times, WaPo, NYT, that make alarmist statements that clearly are not supported by the science. References to IPCC literature as proof would make it clear that such information is false.
How could they demand the promotion of alarmist falsehood over factual information that is supported by science?
This. Google and the House both must be addressed by credentialed, expert witnesses decrying such an obviously fascist act. Publicly.
“How could they demand the promotion of alarmist falsehood over factual information that is supported by science?”
That’s what they have done for the last 20yrs, but it’s not been effective enough, so they want to remove ALL opposition … think 1930s Germany…
first all Jewish books/music burned,
then Kristallnacht,
then Ghettoes,
then extermination of the ‘impure’.
All witnessed by nice ordinary people who stood back & let it happen ’for the good of the country’.
Don’t think it can’t happen again, history has a nasty habit of repeating it’s self.
I just doubled checked our local temps against the average to be sure – we are having a precisely average January. But some locals are talking about the dire effects of climate change because they claim some plant is blooming early. Even if it is, how is that bad?
I guess this puts Anthony and Co (and all of us) in the top ten list of bad guys by these delusion ridden arsonists shouting fire in a crowded theatre. Hopefully mankind learns something from this, since history should never be kind to liars, thieves or people who advocate the word(s) that put us on moderation here.
I would rather be labeled a denier and be on the side of factual truth when reviewed historically about the concept that CO2 is pollution and responsible for global roasting. Except I don’t want my house burnt down by these arsonists, so I think in the end there is going to have to be some type of civil war over these matters of misusing science to achieve some sick political goal of converting the Western powers into a some type of the Venezuelan nightmare version of socialism based upon some vague notion of catastrophic climate change. We are already in a civil war of sorts, (verbal) but no shots have been fired yet.
Now is the time for the serious scientists, academics, politicians and senior media personalities that to date have remained silent to come forward and remind everybody that science is never settled, and that there is no ‘climate emergency’ and that we need to adapt to weather, which has always had anomalous extremes and always will. Blaming some imaginary cause for weather extremes such as what has been done with CO2 is not much different than the pagan rituals of human sacrifice to appease the gods for the failure of the harvest.
Just wait till those harvests fail when the weather changes to cold and then it all will be blamed. on climate change.
We are all ready getting messages from Google
about climate change when we try to find imformation on any subject
This is an attack on free speech
Hi Gwan – there was a major harvest failure in 2019 across the Great Plains of North America.
THE REAL CLIMATE CRISIS IS NOT GLOBAL WARMING, IT IS COOLING, AND IT MAY HAVE ALREADY STARTED
By Allan M.R. MacRae and Joseph D’Aleo, October 27, 2019
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/10/27/the-real-climate-crisis-is-not-global-warming-it-is-cooling-and-it-may-have-already-started/
[excerpt]
It is notable that crop planting has occurred one month later-than-usual in the North-central growing areas of North America in both 2018 and 2019. While warm summer weather saved the 2018 crop, in 2019 the Northern corn and soybean harvests were devastated by a cold summer and early cold weather. In 2019, there were many more record U.S. all-time daily low temperatures than record highs. These events may just be weather, not climate, or they could be the early indicators of global cooling.
COLD WEATHER KILLS 20 TIMES AS MANY PEOPLE AS HOT WEATHER
by Joseph d’Aleo and Allan MacRae, September 4, 2015
https://friendsofsciencecalgary.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/cold-weather-kills-macrae-daleo-4sept2015-final.pdf
Letters already on their way to my congressional delegation!
Separation of Chamber and State.
nn
Star Chamber?
I’ll bet not one Hollywood blacklist fellow stands up to this.
This sort of interference in the workings of a private company has all the hallmarks of fascism. By inducing less views, they are also violating the first amendment. Violation of the Constitution-hmmmm.
Perhaps someone could helpfully direct us to the Youtube videos which the Committee doesn’t like?
Tony Heller of RealClimateScience is taking this personally. At the bottom of the post here…
https://realclimatescience.com/2020/01/sea-ice-same-thickness-as-60-years-ago/
…Tony writes, “And Congressional Democrats want me silenced so that they can continue lying to the public about the Arctic climate, as well as the rest of the world.”, before he posted this headline:
Regards,
Bob
Bob
I note that the link to real climate has a scare report from 4 years ago about sending people by boat to the north pole as it was largely ice free to the 86th degree north.
I wrote this article a scary 10 years ago showing that in 1817 it was completely ice free to the 84 th degree and it was only logistics and supplies that stopped the British whalers and expedition from exploring any further north and reaching the pole
Contemporary reports from the time include the following 1817 book;
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=EpwSAAAAYAAJ&dq=illustrations+of+greenland+1817&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=3cjiizphFa&sig=nFNcBtJE-Bv3DDAf9U4lK2Y-JYg&hl=en&ei=1eEySpGRB4iZjAeItuyBCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1
“We learn that a vessel is to be fitted out by Government for the purpose of attempting again the north-west passage, the season being considered as peculiarly favourable to such an expedition. Our readers need not be informed that larger masses of ice than ever were before known have this year been seen floating in the Atlantic, and that from their magnitude and solidity, they reached even the fortieth latitude before they were melted into a fluid state. From an examination of the Greenland captains, it has been found that owing to some convulsions of nature , the sea was more open and more free from compact ice than in any former voyage they ever made: that several ships actually reached the eighty-fourth degree of latitude, in which no ice whatever was found; that for the first time for 400 years, vessels penetrated to the west coast of Greenland, and that they apprehended no obstacle to their even reaching the pole, if it had consisted with their duty to their employers to make the attempt. This curious and important information has, we learn, induced the Royal Society to apply to ministers to renew the attempt of exploring a north-west passage as well as to give encouragement to fishing vessels to try how far northward they can reach , by dividing the bounty to be given, on the actual discovery, into portions, as a reward for every degree beyond eighty-four that they shall penetrate For the same reason we think it would be advisable for the merchants engaged in the Greenland whale fishery not to postpone the sailing of their ships to the usual season but expedite them at once so as to take advantage”
The captain of the resultant royal society sponsored expedition lived in my home town. His name was scoresby and there is a plaque to him as the first arctic scientist on the wall of the local church. Poignantly it is next to a plaque of someone lost with the titanic when the ice melted once again, creating the icebergs that sunk that ship in an arctic melt episode that lasted from 1908 to around 1940
Makes you think doesn’t it?
Tonyb
Pretty much any video that states AGW is incorrect and that the 97% Consensus is a fabrication
Any video placed by
Monkton
Crockford (Polar Bears)
Ridd (GBR)
Minnesotans for GW (Hide the Decline)
etc…
Do these idiotic dictatores in short pants realize that they act exactly as if they had no argument whatsoever against the skeptics ?
It worked in China like overnight. It can work here with similar threats.
Clearly their ultimate goal is to eliminate any dissent in the climate debate..While nothing surprises me anymore, it’s a sad day for democracy when this is the tact our representatives are willing to take..
the one and only dark rule of economy:
to sell anything that doesn’t have any demand, either use push/regulation which is by force or to create demand itself or create narrative which is by lying.
and that is how we get dictators which nobody actually wants them as a leader and bureaucrat and politician which got their job by lying.
Hmm, seems strange this group working to transition to a clean energy future would make findings like this:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/11/22/shocker-top-google-engineers-say-renewable-energy-simply-wont-work/
Being that I am a big fan of horror movies from the last century, (anything from this century is just an expensive computer generated cartoon, and cartoons are not scary) people often ask what is, in my opinion, the scariest move ever made.
My answer- “1984”
I think that some of these narrow-minded folks should be forced to watch the film over and over again (A Clockwork Orange style please…) until they get it.
It is not an instruction manual, it is a WARNING.
To right!
Clockwork Orange Man Bad style, pretty please with orange sprinkles on top…
Search the internet for 1984 Trump and “they” think that it’s DJT that is making scary…
Too many Alinsky cocktails, I’d say. Shaken, not Stirred.
All programs are meeting the 5-year plan, including Solyndra, Crescent Dunes, and Ivanpah. The leaders can be proud of the hard work of the districts in meeting their goals.
Tony Heller’s videos must be driving these people crazy. Nothing like 100 year old photos, weather charts and newspaper articles to cut the legs out from under the alarmist crusade.
Since Tony is going to be silenced on boobtube he can move over to https://www.full30.com/ The 2A community is more than happy to have esteemed members of the scientific community join us! I am sure many of the content posters there read and watch Mr Heller and other actual climate scientists on a regular basis.
Secretary Mann and the central committee will be providing the filter algorithm to use.
Thank you for your reports, Comrade ResourceGuy! Now on to the important discussion, the staging of the next quadrennial Environmental Games, wherein climate heretics (selected by lottery from a pool of those who comment at websites such as What’s Up With That?), armed with only a slide rule and a sling hygrometer, battle to the death against giant mechanical Gorebots funded by your own tax dollars and controlled by the sleaziest “climate researchers” on earth. En Garde!
The 74th Anger Games!
Have emailed my Senator to ask. him to investigate the ‘data’ not the computer models.
Google is obviously already politicized. Type in “Greta Thunberg doesn’t know what she’s talking about,” which is a simple enough concept, and you get a lot of searches deploring the phenomenon that elderly white males are pathetic and powerless in the face of Greta’s clarity and passion. Type in “how tall is Greta Thunberg?” and Google gives you an automatic answer: five foot four. Which, if she is, then Barack Obama is six foot seven.