Vice Climate Alert: “The Collapse of Civilization May Have Already Begun”

Thai shopkeepers sea level rise
Thai shopkeepers desperately trying to adapt to sea level rise. kallerna [CC BY-SA 3.0], via Wikimedia Commons

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

As the photo above shows, it may already be too late to save our civilization from the horror of global warming induced hot weather and a rising sea level.

The Collapse of Civilization May Have Already Begun

Scientists disagree on the timeline of collapse and whether it’s imminent. But can we afford to be wrong? And what comes after?

By Nafeez AhmedNov 23 2019, 12:00am

“It is now too late to stop a future collapse of our societies because of climate change.” 

These are not the words of a tinfoil hat-donning survivalist. This is from a paper delivered by a senior sustainability academic at a leading business school to the European Commission in Brussels, earlier this year. Before that, he delivered a similar message to a UN conference: “Climate change is now a planetary emergency posing an existential threat to humanity.”

Jem Bendell, a former consultant to the United Nations and longtime Professor of Sustainability Leadership at the University of Cumbria’s Department of Business, delivered a paper in May 2019 explaining how people and communities might “adapt to climate-induced disruption.”

Bendell’s thesis is not only that societal collapse due to climate change is on its way, but that it is, in effect, already here. “Climate change will disrupt your way of life in your lifetimes,” he told the audience at a climate change conference organized by the European Commission.

Devastating consequences, like “the cascading effects of widespread and repeated harvest failures” are now unavoidable, Bendell’s paper says. 

He argues this is not so much a doom-and-gloom scenario as a case of waking up to reality, so that we can do as much as we can to save as many lives as possible. His recommended response is what he calls “Deep Adaptation,” which requires going beyond “mere adjustments to our existing economic system and infrastructure, in order to prepare us for the breakdown or collapse of normal societal functions.”

Science, gut, or a bit of both?

According to Penn State professor Michael Mann, one of the world’s most renowned climate scientists, Bendell’s grasp of the climate science is deeply flawed. 

“To me, this paper is a perfect storm of misguidedness and wrongheadedness,” he told me.

Dr. Gavin Schmidt, head of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, who is also world-famous, was even more scathing.

“There are both valid points and unjustified statements throughout,” he told me about Bendell’s paper. “Model projections have not underestimated temperature changes, not everything that is non-linear is therefore ‘out of control.’ Blaming ‘increased volatility from more energy in the atmosphere’ for anything is silly. The evidence for ‘inevitable societal collapse’ is very weak to non-existent.”

Read more: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwygg/the-collapse-of-civilization-may-have-already-begun

The following is a video of Jem Bendell discussing his work, in which he quotes our favourite arctic ice expert Professor Wadhams:

Gavin Schmidt and Michael Mann might have been scathing of Bendell’s claims, but from reading the Vice article, a lot of people spoke up on Bendell’s behalf.

I suspect it is slowly dawning on the likes of Mann and Schmidt they are no longer part of the climate movement mainstream. They simply aren’t alarmist enough.

The future of the climate movement belongs to people like Bendell, or perhaps even Schmidt’s predecessor at NASA GISS James Hansen, who once famously predicted that runaway climate change would cause the oceans to boil.

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Severian
November 22, 2019 2:06 pm

Civilization is indeed collapsing, but because of self inflicted wounds like demonizing energy production for political and other ignorant reasons. It’s a suicide. No civilization or culture ever survives prosperity.

fred250
Reply to  Severian
November 22, 2019 2:25 pm

How true that is.

Modern civilisations are degrading BECAUSE OF the leftist AGW agenda.

Rod
Reply to  fred250
November 23, 2019 7:42 am

No, modern civilizations are degrading because of left-wing governance. Examples, California, Chicago, New York (in a few more years after leftists completely erase the tremendous efforts of Mayors Guiliani and Bloomberg).

What the AGW agenda does is provide the EXCUSE for the degradation. Just look at the recent pronouncements of the likes of Governors Newsome and Coumo for examples.

None of the resulting problems are blamed on their pathetic governance; they’re blamed on climate change, i.e., those nasty fossil fuel companies and their supporters.

Scissor
Reply to  Severian
November 22, 2019 3:42 pm

Free heroin and recycled needles ought to help (hasten the demise).

Reply to  Severian
November 22, 2019 3:55 pm

If “civilization is indeed collapsing” then you’re right about the mode of death (suicide) but I don’t think the manner of death can be reckoned without factoring in the deliberate sabotage of science itself.

Tracing the chain of causes from proximate to ultimate, all the way back to the root of all evil, we get:

CO2 retention
due to autoerotic asphyxiation of modern industrial metabolism
on a background of “demonizing energy production”
secondary to the mass climate-crisis delusion
resulting from the belief in, misconstrual of, and misplaced respect for, the consensus of scientists
made possible by the popular disunderstanding of the how science works
promulgated by Naomi Oreskes.

If you prefer not to see civilization sabotaged, please complain to Harvard University, which pays Oreskes to sabotage it.

Otherwise put on some popcorn and enjoy the show.

Mr.
Reply to  Brad Keyes
November 22, 2019 9:51 pm

put on some popcorn and enjoy the show

Good advice Brad.
I’ve given up trying to “speak truth to power” with wild-eyed, spittle-flecked zealots who are totally invested in the agw mania.

My new position is adoption of “absolute doomer”, where I get to trade apocalyptic scenarios with them to the extent that they stop and start to back away carefully, thinking – “this bloke is crazier than I am”

Reply to  Mr.
November 23, 2019 4:41 am

Hey Mister!

“Good advice Brad.”

It wasn’t meant to be. I was hoping people would take the alternative option.

kakatoa
Reply to  Brad Keyes
November 23, 2019 9:02 am

It seems some folks are going with one alternative-

https://www.mtdemocrat.com/news/drive-to-recall-gov-newsom-underway/

I don’t blame the current governor for the lack of maintenance on PG&E’s transmission infrastructure, but his PSPS support is more than a bit inconvenient and expensive. Blaming c02 levels for the problem(s) is more than a bit of a stretch.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/investigations/Long-Term-Wear-Found-on-PGE-Line-That-Sparked-Camp-Fire-565181442.html

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Mr.
November 23, 2019 6:08 am

Hey Mister!

You are correct, ….. nothing gets their attention any quicker, ……

than when they suddenly realize …….

this bloke is crazier than I am”.

Patrick Healy
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
November 24, 2019 11:37 am

Two observations. That bloke said ” so that we must do as much as we can to save lives(from global warming?)”
Just last week we were told to waste as many lives as possible to “save the world (from global warming)
So which is it to be?
Secondly in the pic at the top, that Derry Air looks to be the result of a well fed childhood!
Just sayin

Philip Verslues
Reply to  Mr.
November 24, 2019 5:59 pm

Excellent advice, I know few I could have some fun with.

Cube
Reply to  Brad Keyes
November 23, 2019 11:15 am

Complaining to Harvard University will be about as effectve as urniating in the Atlantic will be in accelerating sea level rise. The latter will be mor satisfying, however.

Pat
Reply to  Severian
November 22, 2019 7:36 pm

The collapse started when Pope Gore invented the internet. This was the first of his biiiig lies.

old white guy
Reply to  Severian
November 23, 2019 3:18 am

I would suggest that the collapse is a moral one and has nothing to do with CO2.

Chaswarnertoo
Reply to  old white guy
November 23, 2019 5:10 am

A genuine reduction in rational thinking. Heinlein.

Reply to  old white guy
November 23, 2019 8:32 am

Note to OWGuy:

Here is the real “Nineteen Eighty-Four”, an interview that year with ex-KGB officer and Soviet defector Yuri Bezmenov, who described their long-term program to ideologically undermine the western democracies. Jump to 1:07:30 for Bezmenov’s discussion of “ideological subversion”. It is all about manipulating the “useful idiots” – the pro-Soviet leftists within the democracies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3qkf3bajd4&feature=youtu.be

Source:
THE COST TO SOCIETY OF RADICAL ENVIRONMENTALISM
July 4, 2019
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/07/04/the-cost-to-society-of-radical-environmentalism/

PaulH
November 22, 2019 2:07 pm

When you see an article that begins with the sentence, “These are not the words of a tinfoil hat-donning survivalist” you know that these are the words of a tinfoil hat-donning survivalist.
😉

Curious George
Reply to  PaulH
November 22, 2019 4:41 pm

Why are you mocking a sincere Professor of Sustainability Business? Climate change sustains his business (fearmongering). Actually, that business model works even in the absence of climate change. Doesn’t he deserve a Nobel?

Ron Long
Reply to  Curious George
November 22, 2019 4:53 pm

Nobel invented dynamite, so yes, I would say he deserves a Nobel.

wadesworld
Reply to  Curious George
November 22, 2019 7:59 pm

I suspect “Professor of Sustaintiability Business” has just as many qualifications as John Cook’s “Assistant Professor of Climate Change Communication.”

Eamon Butler
Reply to  PaulH
November 22, 2019 5:18 pm

My thoughts exactly, and then he went on to prove it.

TheLastDemocrat
Reply to  Eric Worrall
November 22, 2019 7:38 pm

Wow. Internet comment win for the day.

Deano
Reply to  Eric Worrall
November 22, 2019 9:56 pm

+100!!

Reply to  Eric Worrall
November 23, 2019 4:39 am

“As soon as ordinary people figure that out, the climate movement is over.”

Yep. To quote Tommy Wils’ Climategate email:

“What if climate change appears to be just mainly a multidecadal natural fluctuation? They’ll kill us probably …”

That’s what they’re afraid of.

November 22, 2019 2:12 pm

When you hear people like Bernie Sanders, Jem Bendell, Fauxcahontas and the rest of the Democrats talking, you begin to think that it could be true that there is a collapse of civilization beginning.

Mike McHenry
November 22, 2019 2:12 pm

The Extinction Rebellion should immediately prepare the Kool aid! For those non Americans in the group google Jonestown and Kool aid

Karabar
November 22, 2019 2:13 pm

WTF are these blokes smoking?

NME666
Reply to  Karabar
November 22, 2019 3:56 pm

cheap schitt

Bryan A
November 22, 2019 2:13 pm

Thai shopkeepers desperately trying to adapt to sea level rise.

I like the caption for the inset image.
like rising sea levels will stop the “Shop Boat” from pulling ashore and selling their wares to gullible tourist crowds.
Tourists will simply not know what buying food from a boat pulled up on the shore is anymore.
The seas will be so high that they will be unable to reach the shoreline anymore…

Reply to  Bryan A
November 22, 2019 4:04 pm

Fortunately human evolution has already ensured those holidaymakers’ legs reach all the way from their pelvises to the ground. Biologists have a saying that a rising tide lifts all boats.

Severian
Reply to  Brad Keyes
November 22, 2019 4:31 pm

Oh I’ve got two legs from my hips to the ground, and
When I move em the walk around, and
When I lift em they climb the stairs, and
When I shave em they ain’t got hairs!
–M. Python

Sunny
November 22, 2019 2:19 pm

May I have factual proof of raising seas please…

Also, jem Bendell, a former consultant to the United Nations 😐 why doesn’t he work for the un any more, and how much grant money did he get for writing this report?

Andy in Epsom
Reply to  Sunny
November 23, 2019 3:35 am

There are a dew places in the UK I would be happy to pay a few thousand for to help the “poor owners” who will have their homes washed away.

Calvin Rubisco
November 22, 2019 2:25 pm

Excuse me Dr. Hansen, but why don’t the clouds boil into outer space right now?

Answer: They used to, but ever since Isaac Newton invented gravity, the system has been messed up. Stupid humans, it’s all their fault…

John Minich
Reply to  Calvin Rubisco
November 22, 2019 3:46 pm

Calvin Rubisco: Go ahead and call me sarcastic, but… I love “real science”. Thank you for teaching me the “real truthththth”.

BFL
Reply to  Calvin Rubisco
November 22, 2019 4:03 pm

Then there is this from Hawking (looks like he caught a psychotic case of TDS):
“We are close to the tipping point, where global warming becomes irreversible. Trump’s action could push the Earth over the brink, to become like Venus, with a temperature of 250 degrees [Celsius], and raining sulfuric acid,” he told BBC News, referring to the president’s decision to pull the U.S. out of the Paris climate deal.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-40461726

George Daddis
Reply to  BFL
November 22, 2019 5:23 pm

Hawking is supposed to be very smart.
If that is so, why is he blaming the US which has emissions and not China who are increasing emissions?

Is this something that only a genius can understand?

Scissor
Reply to  George Daddis
November 22, 2019 7:22 pm

Hawking has not been with us for some time and perhaps before that was being used as a puppet.

Chaswarnertoo
Reply to  George Daddis
November 23, 2019 5:12 am

He lost it by the end.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  BFL
November 22, 2019 5:52 pm

I tend to think everything comes from his handlers. I don’t think he’s actually written or said anything in at least a decade.

diogenese2
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
November 22, 2019 11:36 pm

well he certainly hasn’t written anything since 14 March 2018

philincalifornia
Reply to  Calvin Rubisco
November 22, 2019 4:46 pm

….. or alternatively, the good Dr. (and I use both those terms loosely), came up with the most wrong calculation ever in the history of science. I’ve thought about this a bit (not enough to get in the way of having a life), but I cannot think how it would be possible to be more wrong than calculating that “back radiation” from carbon dioxide could boil the oceans. I don’t think the universe is big enough to have a more moronically wrong calculation, but I’ll be open-minded if someone can identify a bigger, weapons-grade idiot.

Stephen W
November 22, 2019 2:25 pm

I like to replace the worlds “Climate Change” with “Weather”, whenever a person is speaking about the climate emergency.

“Weather will disrupt your way of life in your lifetimes,” he told the audience at a climate change conference organized by the European Commission.

It makes them sound crazy and paranoid.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Stephen W
November 22, 2019 5:53 pm

“It makes them sound crazy and paranoid.”

As if they needed any help.

Stevek
November 22, 2019 2:27 pm

We are not at the mercy of so called climate change. The economy will adjust to rising temperatures. That is if in fact they do rise. Humans have faced many threats throughout their existence, climate change is no big deal. Many underestimate the power of human ingenuity and the powers of the free market. All these schemes to switch to renewable energy have massive trillion dollar costs that far exceed any cost that comes from rising temperature.

Flight Level
November 22, 2019 2:27 pm

It takes that many years of study, practice, hard work to reach a precarious stability and make ends meet.

On the other hand, any con artist and climate charlatan gets there by just blowing hot air.

Makes me wonder how long can we afford to feed these parasites before collapsing our own hard earned food chain. Wake-up folks !

Stevek
Reply to  Flight Level
November 22, 2019 3:31 pm

America in particular has a huge problem with corporations and universities free loading off the government. No longer do you have to actually innovate or provide a service in the free market to make money. All you need is the right connections in Washington DC and the money will pour in. It is sickening.

Flight Level
Reply to  Stevek
November 22, 2019 4:04 pm

Oh, yes… Sadly not only universities.
Not far from home, a bunch of bearded garage hippies desperately attempt to stuff 800kg of batteries & electric motor in a written-off Cessna 172S originally designed & certified for a MTOW of about 1’200kg.
Close to 2 years in the process they still get funds despite the futility of their attempts.
Sickening.

Coeur de Lion
November 22, 2019 2:34 pm

What is Mikey Mann ‘renowned’ for?

MarkW
Reply to  Coeur de Lion
November 22, 2019 3:45 pm

Caring

John Bell
Reply to  MarkW
November 22, 2019 4:07 pm

Caring enough to lie

philincalifornia
Reply to  Coeur de Lion
November 22, 2019 4:55 pm

…. studying Earth’s recent temperature using “the most sophisticated methods known”, but yet still managing to miss the Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age, and then claiming to this day that he is not actually a scientific moron but is in fact a Nobel Prize-winning hero, except without a Nobel Prize.

Could someone tap him on the shoulder and hand him a pistol and one bullet.

LdB
Reply to  Coeur de Lion
November 22, 2019 7:58 pm

Being a Nobel laureate 🙂

November 22, 2019 2:35 pm

Is there an unknown virulent mental illness affecting peoples head, or a form of BSE ?

Reply to  Krishna Gans
November 22, 2019 9:19 pm

Actually, metal illnesses only affect the chin.

Other than that, good question. Anyone?

Wight Mann
November 22, 2019 2:41 pm

“These are not the words of a tinfoil hat-donning survivalist. This is from a paper delivered by a senior sustainability academic at a leading business school to the European Commission in Brussels, earlier this year.”

Aren’t these two the same thing?

HD Hoese
November 22, 2019 2:43 pm

“More than 600,000 people have downloaded Bendell’s paper, called Deep Adaptation: A Map for Navigating our Climate Tragedy, published by the University of Cumbria’s Institute of Leadership and Sustainability (IFALS). And many of the key organizers behind the Extinction Rebellion (XR) campaign joined the protest movement after reading it.”

“When I pressed Bendell on this issue, he pushed back against the idea that he was putting forward a hard, scientifically-valid forecast, describing it as a “guess”:… ”

This paper was previously rejected, which could be a plus or minus or in between, but may be inciting what it concluded. The kindest thing we might say, with models all the way down, is that they look too much like turtles? Some post-graduate (non-simulation) education is in order, including not insulting turtles.

Richard Saumarez
Reply to  HD Hoese
November 23, 2019 10:07 am

The University of Cumbria?

It is really hard science and presumably abhors wooly-minded thought.

https://www.cumbria.ac.uk/study/academic-departments/science-natural-resources-and-outdoor-studies/

RHS
November 22, 2019 2:55 pm

Someone should remind them about the origins of 7th Day Adventists.
Preparing for the end was their beginning, well over 100 years ago.
In spite of prepping for the end of time, they’ve managed to be better contributors to society than many of these activists.

Mr.
November 22, 2019 2:59 pm

Maybe the early evangelists of the agw conjecture (i.e. the climategate cadre) have reached the much vaunted “tipping point” where they now have to walk back their earlier alarmism, because their agw disciples are now turning the dial up to 11.

Moderately Cross of East Anglia
November 22, 2019 3:08 pm

I’m so sorry Thai shop boat owners are struggling to survive rising seas but in the spirit of all pulling together I am happy to volunteer to be sent to live near a Thai beach and rush down to the shore whenever a boat makes it to the beach to help things along with a purchase or two.

Come to think of it I would also escape the deluded stupidity of shutting down power and gas in the U.K. which will end badly.

I do notice that locally our bit of U.K. shoreline, despite being in a region which is very slowly subsiding, still shows no sign of the alleged acceleration of sea levels after 30 years.

Martin Howard Keith Brumby
November 22, 2019 3:18 pm

Wow.

A guess from a “Senior sustainability academic ” – a Leading business school – to the European Commission.

Golly.

And a “similar message to a UN Conference”.

Goodness.

And it turns out we’re considering Academia as represented by the “University of Cumbria”, no less.

Well, that settles it. Gotta be right.

Not.

If these were the words of wisdom from the lips of some moth-eaten tramp on a soap box at Hyde Park Corner, after consuming ten pints of cheap cider, it might have been a trifle more convincing.

How much longer will my hard earned taxes be used to fund weapons-grade plonkers like this Bendall?

Reply to  Martin Howard Keith Brumby
November 22, 2019 4:21 pm

“weapons-grade plonkers like this Bendall”

Just to be pedantic, there’s no “a” in Bellend.

James A. Schrumpf
November 22, 2019 3:20 pm

Western civilization died in WW1. Everything since then is just the chicken with its head recently removed.

David Blenkinsop
Reply to  James A. Schrumpf
November 22, 2019 4:41 pm

Isn’t that pretty gloomy?
I think what you say has been true since about 1972 though.

MarkG
Reply to  David Blenkinsop
November 22, 2019 6:45 pm

No. WWI was the death of the West, because it created a large intellectual caste who had disdain for Western culture and wanted peace at any cost. Everything since has followed from that.

David Lupton
Reply to  MarkG
November 22, 2019 11:11 pm

I read a very convincing paper arguing that the instigators of WW1 were fighting against the rise of liberalism (in its original sense) and that it spelt the end of libertarianism. Our grandfathers thought they were fighting for freedom, but the opposite was true. The site it was on disappeared.

Dariusz
Reply to  James A. Schrumpf
November 23, 2019 3:26 am

Since the 1WW? I think this started with the French Revolution and the rise of Marxism well before what u suggest.

Adam
November 22, 2019 3:20 pm

Only a matter of time before Extinction Rebellion spawns an enviro-Antifa.

goldminor
November 22, 2019 3:21 pm

Bendell has a point. Climate change has caused a percentage of the population to go moderately mad. Making matters worse is that the craziest among them have gotten themselves into positions of powers where they are now a direct threat to stability in the US as well as in other nations because of their mad agenda.

Gordon Dressler
November 22, 2019 3:28 pm

One need not look only to climate, and changes thereto, to reasonably conclude that “the collapse of civilization may have already begun.”

And if that indeed be the case, our “leaders” and “educators” have failed us miserably, but what the heck . . . laissez les bons temps rouler!

Bruce Cobb
November 22, 2019 3:37 pm

Quick! Run for your lives! It’s Manbearpig!

rah
November 22, 2019 3:40 pm

They never grew up. Still looking for the monster or boogeyman under the bed.

Al Miller
November 22, 2019 3:40 pm

These ARE the words of a tinfoil hat-donning senior sustainability academic…The survivalists would be greatly insulted by the comparison- at least their ideas have some basis in reality and are not aimed at defrauding the gullible general public.

Rich Lambert
November 22, 2019 3:43 pm

There should be a follow-up about how the Floating Market in Bangkok is adapting.

Jimmy Haigh
November 22, 2019 3:44 pm

It started The day the left infiltrated the Education System.

Zigmaster
November 22, 2019 3:57 pm

The conclusion from Bendells talk is that it is too late to do anything to stop climate change /global warming from happening. The clear implication is that it is therefore crucial that we don’t waste our resources trying to stop it but use those resources if and when it happens to adapt. It may mean that we have to give every poor person a free air conditioner and bring back coal fired electricity so those poor people ( and everyone else) can actually afford to run those air conditioners. Decommission all renewables as we just cannot waste any more money trying to stop global warming. Futility is a great demotivater in trying to stop something happening and tends to force people to consider what to do if it does happen. So doing nothing is the best action to take now followed by doing nothing when in the future nothing happens. Thank God for everyone that we’ve reached the point of no return so we can get on with living.

Mike
November 22, 2019 4:10 pm

We are living in the fake news epoch, no doubt about it.

PaulH
November 22, 2019 4:25 pm

Just a reminder of the quality of the people running Vice:

“Vice suspends 2 top executives after NYT report on sexual misconduct”
https://globalnews.ca/news/3942038/vice-executives-sexual-misconduct/

“RCMP charge former VICE journalist with conspiring to import cocaine to Australia”
https://globalnews.ca/news/3942038/vice-executives-sexual-misconduct/

Terry Shipman
November 22, 2019 4:26 pm

As I watched this stupid video it occurred to me that Bendell could have delivered his speech any time over the last 30 or so years. The message never changes. The Arctic is going to melt. The seas are going to rise and drown costal cities. Our way of life is going to be forever altered. And it’s going to happen REAL SOON if we don’t tame the demon CO2! It’s already too late!

Well, I’ll just stay in my living room this evening, heated by my natural gas stove. Outside it’s rainy with the temps in the low forties. Even my dog doesn’t want to stay outside more than five minutes. At least I’m not dealing with snow outside right now.

I wonder how long it will take this genius to understand that he is correct about crop failures? Except it’s failure caused by cold and snow. As the GSM deepens and winter comes earlier and stays later maybe he’ll realize he was asking people to prepare for the wrong climate change event.

November 22, 2019 4:27 pm

I am more worried about an impending cooling from an extended lack of solar activity (see sunspot minimum) than I am of rising waters from melting glaciers. Crop failures are more likely during extended cold periods.

Robin Flockton
November 22, 2019 4:32 pm

Are the Chinese mad to build artificial islands in the South China Sea? Maybe the idiots in the liberal democracies are missing something?

Louis Hunt
November 22, 2019 4:41 pm

‘Devastating consequences, like “the cascading effects of widespread and repeated harvest failures” are now unavoidable, Bendell’s paper says.’

The only thing that would make widespread harvest failures unavoidable is if we listen to people like Bendell and ban the use of fossil fuels. That would bring down civilization faster than anything climate change is likely to throw at us. And if we allow them to destroy civilization with the extreme measures outlined in the Green New Deal, there won’t be any question about whether the collapse of civilization “may” have already begun. It will be blindingly obvious.

When are we going to wake up and realize that the “cure” for climate change is far worse than the disease? Adapting to climate change, when and if it occurs, is the only course of action that makes any sense.

chaamjamal
November 22, 2019 4:42 pm

Ice free Aaactic by 2030???

OMG OMG and there is no PlanetB OMG!

https://tambonthongchai.com/2019/11/18/the-ice-free-arctic-obsession-of-agw/

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  chaamjamal
November 22, 2019 8:04 pm

A few years ago Wadhams defined “ice free” as any thing under 1 million sq. km.
Expect him, or some other activist, to change the goal post to 2 million, then 3, and so on.
Before 2030 rolls around there will be an “ice free” ocean up there from March to September.

markl
November 22, 2019 4:55 pm

“…a senior sustainability academic…” That’s code for alarmist and it doesn’t have to be about AGW. Has anyone ever heard anyone spouting sustainability rhetoric that said something was OK? We’re living longer and at a better standard than ever. Doesn’t that say human life is becoming more sustainable?

Sky King
November 22, 2019 4:56 pm

“Professor of Sustainability Leadership” LOL. Pretentious parasite.

David Chappell
November 22, 2019 5:12 pm

University of Cumbria
country rank (UK) 123
world rank 3121

Not exactly a leading academic institution

Martin Howard Keith Brumby
Reply to  David Chappell
November 22, 2019 11:03 pm

David Chappell
I must confess that I was blissfully unaware that there was an “University of Cumbria”.

No doubt it is another one of the turgid and disappointing jumped up Polytechnics that Tony Blair initiated, in a bid to have 50% of Britain’s kids go to “university”.

Of course, as many kids can’t, or don’t want to go to university, it is obviously the case that a significant cohort of students are not only childish and self entitled, but have lower than average intelligence.

This is exacerbated by the insistence on politically correct’diversity’.

And “Professor” Bendall in his “Sustainability” post is a perfect example of the sludge that is produced.

Blacksmith
Reply to  Martin Howard Keith Brumby
November 23, 2019 12:47 am

+100

Michael Jankowski
November 22, 2019 5:13 pm

Yeah, Gavin was so scathing…”There are both valid points and unjustified statements throughout…”

And…”Model projections have not underestimated temperature changes…” yeah but Gavin won’t admit they’ve overestimated them, either. So they must be juuuuuuust right.

On the outer Barcoo
November 22, 2019 5:33 pm

For a discourse on a real, documented sea-level rise, “Noah’s Flood” by William Ryan and Walter Pitman is definitely worth reading.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  On the outer Barcoo
November 22, 2019 6:24 pm

A very localized “sea-level rise”.

n.n
November 22, 2019 5:36 pm

Think of the [unplanned] children!

Right-Handed Shark
November 22, 2019 6:00 pm

Wow.
You know you have definitely left the reservation when Mickey Dripp AND Schmidt-for-brains want to distance themselves from you.

Kctaz
November 22, 2019 6:04 pm

“These are not the words of a tinfoil hat-donning survivalist. This is from a paper delivered by a senior sustainability academic at a leading business school to the European Commission in Brussels, earlier this year.”

Pardon me, but a sustain ability academic and a tinfoil-hat donning anything is a distinction without a difference.

Craig Moore
November 22, 2019 6:10 pm

The oceans boil???

As Shakespeare wrote:

“Double, double, toil and trouble;
Fire burn and cauldron bubble.
Fillet of a fenny snake,
In the cauldron boil and bake;
Eye of newt and toe of frog,
Wool of bat and tongue of dog,
Adder’s fork and blind-worm’s sting,
Lizard’s leg and howlet’s wing,
For a charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble.”

The environmental witches have really done did it this time.

n.n
November 22, 2019 6:20 pm

With trillions of clean, renewable, socially-inoculated greenbacks at stake, and a large green demographic to sustain its viability, Green is not so green to abort the progress of this sociopolitical myth.

Berndt Koch
November 22, 2019 6:27 pm

Of course Mann and Schmidt are not going to agree with this bellend (thanks Brad Keyes for reminding me of one of my favorite terms from my youth). If he did s right then they will be out of a job..

I’d like him to be right though so maybe everyone can STFU and let us get on with our lives in peace..

John Robertson
November 22, 2019 6:48 pm

Well first this is another prophesy from the Cult of Calamitous Climate so is 99.99% guaranteed to be wrong,as they currently score a perfect rate of failure.
But religions have swept civilization away before.
And we are awash in extremely gullible scientifically illiterate citizens.
We have protected the useless and clueless from their own actions for decades,why are we surprised that there are so many of them?
And in the era of “everyone gets a prize” delusions of adequacy are the order of the day.
Cheap reliable energy is the life blood of our luxurious live.
When 60% of voters, vote to shut it off,leave in the ground,what can you say?
Suicide by choice?

Michael S. Kelly LS, BSA Ret.
November 22, 2019 7:21 pm

Civilization collapsed a long time ago, and we’re all dead…as is the entire planet Earth. Haven’t you people been paying attention?

Nick in Vancouver
November 22, 2019 8:34 pm

Professor Bugs Bunny, who is also world famous, was quoted as saying “aaawwwww, what’s up doc?”

Peter Morris
November 22, 2019 9:12 pm

I have two questions.

When did Jem transition to man?

Are the Holograms aware of this?

Petit_Barde
November 22, 2019 10:22 pm

“Jem Bellend … Professor … at the University of Cucumbria … delivered a paper in May 2019 explaining how people … might “adapt to climate-induced disruption.””

Planting cucumbers ?

JohnM
November 22, 2019 11:17 pm

Why is Mann complaining about this particular alarmism when it matches his own statements:

We have lost Australia for now,” warned Penn State climatologist Michael Mann in an email. “A coalition of a small number of bad actors now threaten the survivability of our species,” he said.

— Joe Romm, ThinkProgress, 18 May 2019
[ https://thinkprogress.org/we-have-lost-australia-warns-climate-scientist-scott-morrison-upset-92008fabb597/ ]

Jones Jewett
November 22, 2019 11:37 pm

Been there, done that, and even have the T shirt.

https://youtu.be/bRcu-ysocX4

alankwelch
November 23, 2019 1:28 am

How did any Thai shop boat owners, if they existed, cope with the end of the Ice Age 20,000ish years ago facing a 130 metre rise? No Swedish school girls to the rescue as Sweden was under kilometres of ice.
What did Prehistoric Mann say about that?

old construction worker
November 23, 2019 1:38 am

I’ll take the Warren Buffet approach. As more people move more toward the poles to beat the heat. I’ll buy up land that wouldn’t be cover by the next ice age.

November 23, 2019 1:59 am

OMG Limits to growth 1972 rinse and repeat.

Ed Zuiderwijk
November 23, 2019 2:03 am

I very much doubt that either Czar Putin or Emperor Xi pay any attention to these idiots. They just sit back and enjoy the show.

Carl Friis-Hansen
November 23, 2019 2:22 am

I had to take a break after listening to Jem Bendell stating than the SLR is delayed because the heat is absorbed in the oceans.
In 6th grade you learn about thermal expansion and the there is no delay in thermal expansion.
But, maybe Jem Bendell skipped 6th grade.
After another cup of Irish coffee, I will listen to the rest of this low-pan video.

john cooknell
November 23, 2019 2:24 am

This proves there is always a market for bullsh*t.

ImranCan
November 23, 2019 4:57 am

This guy needs a tinfoil hat. Totally bizarre pessimism.

ozspeaksup
November 23, 2019 4:58 am

sorry 5mins had me hitting stop.
wow
and he earns a living peddling this crap?
and people pay to hear him?
sad bloody world innit?

BallBounces
November 23, 2019 5:10 am

Climate alarmism is self-aggrandizing performance art.

C Lynch
November 23, 2019 5:15 am

Quoting as reliable the views of Peter Wadhams is what did it for me. Peter Wadhams a man who is so laughably wrong in every prediction he has ever made and then tops it up with a ludicrous conspiracy theory claiming climate scientist friends of his have been murdered by “big oil interests”, one of whom was struck by lightning (presumably the lightning was fossil fuel powered)!

M__S__
November 23, 2019 5:19 am

It IS too late to save our civilization from the ravages that are leading toward “Idiocracy”

john
November 23, 2019 8:49 am

HEY GRETA!

John Podesta
@johnpodesta
·
Nov 15
Just about to take off on a long transatlantic flight in a middle coach seat. I think I will just sit back, relax, and enjoy it:

Billy
November 23, 2019 9:46 am

The sale of bikinis needs to be restricted worldwide, like the sale of handguns in Canada.
You can’t unsee that.

Vincent
November 23, 2019 11:04 am

Michael Mann, Gavin Schmidt, just face it. You two are just a pair of climate deniers.

hojo
November 24, 2019 8:49 am

i have never heard such a load of desperation and I would like to personally say that I refuse to even give them a second thought as to the reality of this hoax. Let’s just turn the world upside down shake it out and start all over again. Never let children listen to this pissy jazz of lies. This person should be banned, he is one of many loons who make up this socialist play for world dominance . I think that cover it. Have a great day and stay warm
Hojo

richard
November 24, 2019 1:19 pm
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