Who’s been naughty?~ctm
Science Alert is upset
Over the past two weeks, something unprecedented has happened on ScienceAlert’s Facebook page. And we need to talk about it.
As members of the Covering Climate Now initiative, we recently strengthened our coverage of climate change. We also proudly supported the Global Climate Strike on 20 September 2019, a day that saw over four million people staging protests around the world, demanding climate action as signs of environmental breakdown rapidly encompass our little blue marble.
OMG! We are all Russian Bots!
Our readers have expressed surprise at just how many climate change deniers appear to be following us. Lately, every time we post a climate news article on Facebook, with astonishing speed and ferocity the comment section becomes a hot-pot of climate denialism.
Posts will receive hundreds of comments in a short amount of time, often in wild disproportion to the actual reach of the post, or the readership of the article itself. Those metrics are a clear sign the engagement is not organic, but is coming from a targeted source.
They lurk in those dark corners…other there! And they’re funded! yeah that’s the ticket…funded!
We don’t know where these climate trolls roost. Maybe they come from self-organizing grassroots groups with secret Facebook pages. Perhaps the fact they all use the same language and the same memes is indicative of receiving talking points and funding from the fossil fuel industry. Perhaps.
What matters is that ScienceAlert’s Facebook page is being targeted, and we are taking action.
Please Stepford children, follow these instructions.
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Religious zealots. Like some religions tell their followers not to argue with nonbelievers lest they hear something that shakes their faith and risk losing their souls…
Frickin’ sad.
Worse than sad Russ. They are behaving Gestapo like: “If you hear something report something” and we will take care of the offensive party(s).
As people who believe in the Constitution and stand to defend the 1st Amendment we are witnessing first level socialist tactics from the Propaganda Ministry shutting down opposing thought. It is happening today with You Tube and Google and this article is pointing out that if you stray from the party line you will be reported and you thoughts will be erased.
Nest step they will find you and disappear you. We are seriously close to a civil war which is why, in addition to their full court press on opposing ideas, they are mainstreaming the idea in the leftist community, that it is time to start confiscation guns. Beware a Democrat Party that once again Controls the White House and Both house of Congress. The will make their move and stop any pretense of masking their intent.
Can’t argue with what you said.
I rue the day Google bought YouTube (and ditto for eBay buying PayPal). YouTube and PayPal and other such sites were originally there to provide a forum and path for alternative action that was free of the restrictions of the big boys. Too bad that didn’t last long enough. The lure of easy money, I guess…
Perhaps it’s time to begin”Tagging” all Facebook posts From alarmists on the SA Facebook page.
If you see an alarmist post, flag it and keep the SA Facebook Mod team busy
good Idea! 😉
dontcha love the admsiion of prepacked though memes they boast of..all the same lines all over the world(abc aus is using them heavily also)
claiming “trolls” use the same sort of comments but entirely missing that they all are doing just that, worse, not even questioning allowed(or fact checking done) on a so called sciance? page. my guess is they will move entirely to members only/banning comments just like all the rest of groupthink warmist sites have done
Good idea.
“As people who believe in the Constitution and stand to defend the 1st Amendment we are witnessing first level socialist tactics from the Propaganda Ministry shutting down opposing thought. It is happening today with You Tube and Google and this article is pointing out that if you stray from the party line you will be reported and you thoughts will be erased.”
The First Amendent states:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”
The first word of this amendment is “Congress”. You Tube, Google, etc. is not Congress, which frees them to shut down opposing thought as they see fit.
Don’t want to get too far into the whole carrier vs publisher thing, but YouTube and Google _can’t_ properly just do whatever they want (“as they see fit”); at least they shouldn’t be able to. Congress granted them immunity then left a huge loophole to allow them to get rid of unfavorable views on a whim. They should not be allowed to have their cake and eat it, too. Either be an open platform/carrier a la phone carriers or be a publisher. They should have to choose. If they want to be publishers, they can ban, limit, etc. all they want. If open platforms/carriers with government-granted special immunities, then they cannot.
TOS are contracts. With contracts come TWO-way obligations. Media companies are violating their own contracts with users and should be held accountable.
Enough with the special favors from government.
They won’t choose “Publisher” publisher leaves them liable to defamation actions and to responsibility for anything criminal…. But being a “common carrier” should mean they can’t proactively censor the content.
Milton Friedman sometimes asked his students “Did any of you vote today?”
The answer usually went something like “No, there is no election being held today.”
Then he would ask them “Did any of you buy anything today?”
The message here is if you do not like what YouTube or Google is doing then don’t vote for them by giving them your business.
Well, I don’t do Facebook and I don’t do Twitter. Google? I could do Microsoft Edge. Not much difference. But at least Google has “apps” that will wipe out cookies etc. Edge doesn’t that I have seen.
I recently went from Windows 7 Pro to Windows 10 Pro. Still a leery of a few things. (I’ve never done Skype but after the last update, I was signed in and it was the first thing that came up on reboot.)
GD–Have the same questions with the windows 10 OS, but use Mozilla firefox for my browser –never have opened microsoft edge, and DuckDuckGo works as a search engine.
I am stuck with google for email though
John VC
“I am stuck with google for email though”
https://twitter.com/ProtonMail
I did an upgrade from 7 to 10.
One unexpected good thing. A favorite old game (Pacific General) that I could play on Windows XP wouldn’t run on Windows 7 Pro. But, after turning on the Windows 10 feature “DirectPlay”, it works again!
(Glad I copied the whole game to an external drive years ago.)
There is something called Tron;
NAME: Tron, an automated cleaner/scanner/disinfection tool
AUTHOR: vocatus on reddit.com/r/TronScript ( vocatus.gate @ur momisugly gmail )
BACKGROUND: Why the name? Tron “Fights for the User”
For cleaning up the sheer volume of bloatware and analytics etc that comes with a Windows 10 installation.
**WARNING: Use at your own risk. If you do use it, follow the instructions.txt file once you unpack it!**
I have run it on my own personal system and it did disable a few things like Windows Spolight on the lock screen but otherwise it worked fine.
I never use Edge. In all my customer SOE builds I remove all links to it from desktop and start menus and install Google Chrome as the default browser (As requested by the customer).
Skype can be uninstalled. Search for Skype in the search bar, right mouse click on the app and uninstall. But yes, I hate all the stuff that is enabled by default such as app access to devices like microphone and camera. Too much snooping!
That’s fine and true and all, but…what does that have to do with my post re: government-granted immunities, contracts, etc.? Not giving someone one’s business is a different issue than ensuring that a company adheres to its contract. Your example seems irrelevant to the point I was making, implying that the problems caused by non-market government intervention in this area can be solved by simple market forces.
Government needs to butt out except to do one of the few tasks it legitimately has: to enforce contracts.
Russ, sometimes things drift a bit. No intent to “hijack”.
“Paper” is essential for “Freedom of the Press”.
Back in the 1780’s the Government would have been right to break a monopoly on the supply of paper. Particularly if it only sold paper to the newspapers the monopoly liked. Backdoor censorship.
Today’s “paper” is digital.
The digital realm needs to remain free and open.
That “first word”, Congress also applies to a HS coach inviting players to a pre-game prayer.
It also applies to a Christian “Mom & Pop” bakery directing a lesbian couple to another bakery to make their wedding cake.
The first thing “Government” is prohibited from doing is prohibiting religious beliefs OR establishing and enforcing politically “approved” beliefs.
“Freedom of the Press”. Yes, ideas should be freely exchanged. But back in that day they didn’t imagine that a few would control who could get the “paper” those ideas would be printed on.
Much like they didn’t envision the idea of a two party system. They fixed that themselves. Elections for “President and Vice President” would be based on a “ticket” rather than 1st and 2nd. (Can you image GW Bush as President with Gore his vise President? How about Trump and Hillary?)
The internet is today’s “paper” when it comes to “Freedom of the Press”.
Is a monopoly of today’s “paper” in keeping with the intent of the 1st Amendment? The free exchange of ideas?
FWIW: I spent a few seconds on the net and came up with this …
14 Great Search Engines You Can Use Instead of Google
https://www.searchenginejournal.com/alternative-search-engines/271409/#close
If it were Vice-Prez Hillary, the Secret Service Presidential Detail would’ve had their work cut-out for themselves. They’ve probably never had to face the scenario of protecting a President from his Vice-President.
Someone should run a case that the government has been promoting a new religion whenever it propagandises climate change and green, in contravention of the first amendment.
We only do the climate trolling to receive funding.
I am embarrassed by the amount of funding I receive from big oil, big wind, big solar and big cow. Big insect has put out feelers but I tell them I am rich enough already.
Isn’t it great being sceptics whereby all the riches we can want are shovelled in our direction?
Tonyb
Tonyb: Gotta respect someone who has the integrity to turn down Big Termite money.
I suspect there’s some truth to this. Russians could use bots to attack the settled science, they have all that experience using globalist stooges to settle the science in the first place. It has all the signs of Russian intrigue. I’ve heard an old russian joke about a farmer who finds a lamp, rubs, genie appears in great flourish ready to grant a wish. Russian farmer goes on and on about how he has no cow, while his neighbor has a cow that provides so many great things. After some time the genie interrupts: “I see I see, your wish is that I grant you a cow?” “No, no” says the Russian, “I want you to kill my neighbor’s cow!” In sum, I wouldn’t be surprised if this SA site was attracting bots if it sows discord in the west. Does NOT mean SA has a clue otherwise.
Paul
Great saying! I suspect you are right, but in blocking the bots I am sure they know they are also blocking intelligent sceptics who have a different message to the one they promote
tonyb
You can’t be too thin or too rich.
Whatever you do , do not discuss any climate issue with a “climate denier”. This will not be good for you. You may expose yourself to logical arguments and facts which you are not able to deal with. You may even find yourself questioning your own faith.
Just report it to our thought police so that we can defuse and delete any inconvenient facts before they have a chance to contaminate other believers.
Yet more proof we are dealing with pseudo-religious cult and not science.
It’s those offensive memes that clash with the falsified memes that we’ve come to know to be 97% correct that are the most troublesome when they are permitted to rattle around in cranial vaults to cognitive dissonant effect. Imagine all the confusion for children already on the march under expletive signage!
As ambassador Spock said:-
“Jim, 97% of climate scientist think they are loosing the world, of course they are emotionally compromised!”
Spock would never use “loosing” when he meant “losing”. Fail.
Maybe they don’t realize that the tide is turning, i.e. many people who lapped it all up are becoming aware of the charade. Recent articles on the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation’s website ( e.g. on Greta’s antics ) are now drawing mostly negative comments where just recently there was always a approving cheerleading response
I think they are well aware of the turning ride. That is one of the reasons for the recent cacophony of climate protests from Greta to the XR extremists.
Perhaps the coming grand solar minimum might save us from this madness
readint daily mail uk last night
of around 200 comments I read ten were fully supporting Greta about 10 more thought warming was real but didnt like ExR or gretas methods
and the rest?
HUGE dislike disapproval
made me feel all warm n fuzzy to know theres a LOT more warmist aware /wiser people speaking out now than ever before
the Aussie numbers claimed at round 500k or so
well from 25mil thats a pretty low number, and I bet more than that were the numbers of very pi**ed off people trying to get to work shops appointments etc
+1
I think what has happened is that the political left has ‘jumped the shark’ with its rhetoric using the fear of climate change as the lever to destroy capitalism. More and more people, even among Democrats, are seeing through the rhetoric and aren’t going to sit back and allow the developed world to self destruct based on nothing more than a hunch and a hope.
Capitalism and democracy.
They want to change the rules that control voting so that they can be sure that they never lose again.
That’s why they fight so strongly against any effort to make sure that only those who are legally entitled to vote, vote and that they only vote once.
Very few people are caught and successfully prosecuted for voter fraud. And the radical Left want to be sure to keep it that way.
Absentee ballots should be abolished. Two parents with dementia? Disabled adult child? Spouse in a coma? Drug addicts & homeless?
Harvest those ballots and get to voting!
Oh what a conundrum it is, ….. the political left demands background checks and registration to insure citizenship in order to purchase/own a firearm, …….
but on the contrary, ….
the political left claims that it is unconstitutional and demeaning to require background checks and registration to insure citizenship prior to casting a vote in a public election.
Heck with citizenship, the left is against checking to see if the voter is ALIVE before voting.
And hype.
Indeed. One of the big turning points for me was hearing some of the solutions to climate change were to send huge amounts of money to Third World nations for “Climate Justice”. If you are a group of scientists truly believing you face an imminent, world-ending crisis, you take that money and spend it on research for a solution – you don’t give it to the poor to atone for your sins.
JS, don’t worry about that. The money never gets to the poor people, it is siphoned off by their corrupt leaders. Hence the saying “The United Nations is an organization established to transfer wealth from the poor people in rich nations to the rich people in poor nations.” And the UN takes a large commission on every transaction.
I’m in a hurry. I must be a Russian (bot).
Yes, your comment had a nice Finnish to it.
Um…letting lots and lots of children out of school and transporting them to protest venues at taxpayer’s expense is not a mass movement. It is mass indoctrination at taxpayer’s expense.
Almost every doomsday proclamation made during these field indoctrination exercises was a lie…easily refuted by peer reviewed studies (since you all say you find that sort of thing convincing.)
I’m not in favor of taking children out into public and placing them into mass gatherings and then provably lying to them to scare them to death…or something. In fact, that sort of thing sounds legally actionable. I believe it is sometimes referred to as child abuse.
OK, I admit, I’m really nothing more than a web-bot, my Father was a COBOL program at some large oil company, my Mother was RPG34 script for the accountants for the Koch Brothers … Busted!
Do you worship the UNIVAC?
One of the Great Old Ones. 😉
Of course, not UNIVAC, worship only the 360/370. Yeesh!
Alan Sherman on his 1964 album had that it was “an RCA 503, standing next to me dear, where you used to be.It was IBM, it was UNVIAC. It was all those gears going clickety-clack, dear…”
Please post the liturgy in EBCDIC so that all may participate.
Not in that heretical ASCII.
12 9 blank 0 4 , 0 2, 12 5, 12 4 blank 12 8, 12 1, 11 4, 12 4 blank 11 7, 0 4, 11 4, 12 3, 12 8 blank 12 3, 12 1, 11 9, 0 2
And for sure you deny climate!
How is your sex life? Ones and zeros instead of xoxoxo or just off and on?
Why focus on what is being transferred. I think that it is the gendered hardware and how they interface that is interesting. So, what plug is going into what port now?
Besides, all of those naughty pictures are basically just ones and zeros. They just have to be assembled in the right order.
….”with astonishing speed and ferocity. ”
================
Well then it wasn’t me, I’ve got none of those attributes.
….”with astonishing speed and ferocity. ”
Reminds me of my first sexual encounter. (Especially the astonishing speed part.)
In other words they don’t want dissent. Thanks to sites like WUWT, people are starting to be better educated and are more aware of what’s going with the science. perhaps it’s getting more difficult to debunk the debunkers.
Climate alarmists seem to be a lot like Scientologists. They appear to use the same tactics.
Frequently referred to as the Church of Climatology.
I’ve never been to ScienceAlert’s page. Maybe I’ll take a look and “robot” it up a little. 😉
The CPU running my ‘me-bot’ doesn’t have the bandwidth to waste on Facebook …
I’m careful where I comment these days since facebook follows you on so many sites that force you to use your account. I don’t want it affecting my spouse’s career, and they do use any politically incorrect statements to destroy families now.
Consider if so many people are willing to engage with them, how many more people are silent but agree, like us.
HAHAHAHA! Symptoms of Mary Jane use in teens and 20’s is a high score on the “paranoia and suspicion” elements of the Minnesota Multi Phase Personality test.
I scored VERY LOW on that, as I find most conservatives do.
Max… I don’t know how far you carried that thought about smoking MJ’s but you could start a brandy new conspiracy theory with that as the base, i.e., The left has been pushing to legalize marijuana in order to make the populace easier to indoctrinate, thus increasing their voter base. :<)
I’d say much like Soma.
Turned Colorado deep blue.
Yes, but it’s hard to separate that cause from the influx of Californicators that started back around the mid 1980’s. I always laughed… they moved to Colorado because they liked the ambiance, the fredom, etc.. But, they slowly turned it into what they had left in California.
Soon the roar of the truth will silence the liars.
So constantly telling people that we have 8 months/12years left, and that’s the planet is is on fire is ok 😐 mass taxes and stopping our society in its tracks is ok… lying fools.
Offensive memes. They are trying to upset you.
Do not let them
Its the same response when lefties lose elections, it cannot possibly be that a majority disagree with them, it must be some nefarious activities organised and funded by vested interests … ignoring that the “Climate Scam” (carefully chosen words, because of the resemblance to the Call Center Scams that are currently widespread) is exactly that.
As usual the Left is claiming that evil things are being done by others. Interestingly the tactics they claim are really, really bad are exactly what they use and the news media use to attack anyone not abiding by the orthodoxy.
I have noticed that there has been increasing numbers of contrarians on some of the sites I regularly visit. It is like they are practicing for the upcoming political maelstrom of the Presidential Election. I assume they are seeking to counter whatever influence these sites might have.
From the “You Can’t Make this Stuff Up” department:
KTLA News Los Angeles
Rising Sea Levels Will Make It Harder for 60 Million
People in U.S. to Flush Their Toilets, U.N. Says
So am I a troll for posting that?
No, you’re just posting OT stuff. Please stick to the topic of the post.
I used to have a boat with a toilet that flushed while I was afloat. (Replaced with one that had to be sucked out at dockside). So how is rising water going to be a problem that a little pressure wouldn’t cure?
I used to have a boat with a toilet that flushed while I was afloat. (Replaced with one that had to be sucked out at dockside). So how is rising water going to be a problem that a little pressure wouldn’t cure?
“We don’t know where these climate trolls roost. Maybe they come from self-organizing grassroots groups with secret Facebook pages. Perhaps the fact they all use the same language and the same memes is indicative of receiving talking points and funding from the fossil fuel industry. Perhaps.”
That, my friends, is a strawman. Logic fail.
CTM…Typo “They lurk in those dark corners…other there!”
Under the bed and in the closet. They only come out in the dark. MMMOOOOMMM
“so our moderators can deal with it as soon as they’re able.”
Translation: Deleted, so that we can maintain the fiction that there is nobody who disagrees with us.
Also–If you trace their links you will find a series of cartoons that establish their mentality, leaving out the bad language-–“If you’re yelled at, ……. your free speech isn’t being violated…….. the people listening just think that you’re …… and they’re just showing you the door. ” Green Door no doubt.
Language always gives it away.
a day that saw over four million people….
…and did not see 7 1/2 billion
Latitude, IOW, 99.99% of Earth’s population didn’t participate. That’s more pure than Ivory Soap claimed to be!!
Regards,
Bob
Bob
99.95
But still more pure than Ivory soap.
..you know they even exaggerated the 4 million too
It’s easy when you tell kids they can get out of school to have a street party…and the school has indoctrinated them already
Latitude
4.1 x 10^6 / 7.5 x 10^9 = 0.55 x 10^-3 = 0.00055
0.00055 x 100 = 0.055%
LOL…true
I love when they try to brag like that
4 Million worldwide is the definition of failure .. they need mass support and that is nothing but fringe support.
It is ridiculous. The real problem is not ‘trolls’
The real problem is the cult of CAGW cannot win a simple discussion using logic reason and observations in a forum.
In reply to:
“We can’t stress that enough: do not engage.”
CAGW is a silly dead theory.
There are a dozen observations and analysis in peer reviewed papers that support the assertion that there is no CAGW.
Perhaps the unapproved commentors should be subject to house arrest or burned at the stake.
Maybe it’s because more and more people are fed-up to the back teeth with their CAGW malarkey, and are calling them out for it…
Maybe they are trolling themselves. They then delete all others like the fake troll.
Never heard of Science Alert but I am on my way over to troll them now.
If you identify as a transgender bot
notthey should be afraid to delete you.Bot rather than “not”. Stupid auto correct. Guess I should proofread before submitting the comment.