Do Not Feed The Climate Trolls

Who’s been naughty?~ctm

From ScienceAlert

Science Alert is upset

Over the past two weeks, something unprecedented has happened on ScienceAlert’s Facebook page. And we need to talk about it.

As members of the Covering Climate Now initiative, we recently strengthened our coverage of climate change. We also proudly supported the Global Climate Strike on 20 September 2019, a day that saw over four million people staging protests around the world, demanding climate action as signs of environmental breakdown rapidly encompass our little blue marble.

OMG!  We are all Russian Bots!

Our readers have expressed surprise at just how many climate change deniers appear to be following us. Lately, every time we post a climate news article on Facebook, with astonishing speed and ferocity the comment section becomes a hot-pot of climate denialism.

Posts will receive hundreds of comments in a short amount of time, often in wild disproportion to the actual reach of the post, or the readership of the article itself. Those metrics are a clear sign the engagement is not organic, but is coming from a targeted source.

They lurk in those dark corners…other there!  And they’re funded! yeah that’s the ticket…funded!

We don’t know where these climate trolls roost. Maybe they come from self-organizing grassroots groups with secret Facebook pages. Perhaps the fact they all use the same language and the same memes is indicative of receiving talking points and funding from the fossil fuel industry. Perhaps.

What matters is that ScienceAlert’s Facebook page is being targeted, and we are taking action.

Please Stepford children, follow these instructions.

How you engage in our comment section on Facebook is crucial. When you see one of our posts about climate news, there will inevitably be climate troll comments underneath it. They will post inflammatory, false statements. Offensive memes. They are trying to upset you.

Do not let them. When you see a climate troll comment, please respond by simply tagging ScienceAlert, so our moderators can deal with it as soon as they’re able.

We can’t stress that enough: do not engage.

Full article here.

HT/ozspeaksup

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154 thoughts on “Do Not Feed The Climate Trolls

  1. Religious zealots. Like some religions tell their followers not to argue with nonbelievers lest they hear something that shakes their faith and risk losing their souls…

    Frickin’ sad.

    • Worse than sad Russ. They are behaving Gestapo like: “If you hear something report something” and we will take care of the offensive party(s).

      As people who believe in the Constitution and stand to defend the 1st Amendment we are witnessing first level socialist tactics from the Propaganda Ministry shutting down opposing thought. It is happening today with You Tube and Google and this article is pointing out that if you stray from the party line you will be reported and you thoughts will be erased.

      Nest step they will find you and disappear you. We are seriously close to a civil war which is why, in addition to their full court press on opposing ideas, they are mainstreaming the idea in the leftist community, that it is time to start confiscation guns. Beware a Democrat Party that once again Controls the White House and Both house of Congress. The will make their move and stop any pretense of masking their intent.

      • Can’t argue with what you said.

        I rue the day Google bought YouTube (and ditto for eBay buying PayPal). YouTube and PayPal and other such sites were originally there to provide a forum and path for alternative action that was free of the restrictions of the big boys. Too bad that didn’t last long enough. The lure of easy money, I guess…

        • Perhaps it’s time to begin”Tagging” all Facebook posts From alarmists on the SA Facebook page.
          If you see an alarmist post, flag it and keep the SA Facebook Mod team busy

          • good Idea! 😉
            dontcha love the admsiion of prepacked though memes they boast of..all the same lines all over the world(abc aus is using them heavily also)
            claiming “trolls” use the same sort of comments but entirely missing that they all are doing just that, worse, not even questioning allowed(or fact checking done) on a so called sciance? page. my guess is they will move entirely to members only/banning comments just like all the rest of groupthink warmist sites have done

      • “As people who believe in the Constitution and stand to defend the 1st Amendment we are witnessing first level socialist tactics from the Propaganda Ministry shutting down opposing thought. It is happening today with You Tube and Google and this article is pointing out that if you stray from the party line you will be reported and you thoughts will be erased.”

        The First Amendent states:

        “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”

        The first word of this amendment is “Congress”. You Tube, Google, etc. is not Congress, which frees them to shut down opposing thought as they see fit.

        • Don’t want to get too far into the whole carrier vs publisher thing, but YouTube and Google _can’t_ properly just do whatever they want (“as they see fit”); at least they shouldn’t be able to. Congress granted them immunity then left a huge loophole to allow them to get rid of unfavorable views on a whim. They should not be allowed to have their cake and eat it, too. Either be an open platform/carrier a la phone carriers or be a publisher. They should have to choose. If they want to be publishers, they can ban, limit, etc. all they want. If open platforms/carriers with government-granted special immunities, then they cannot.

          TOS are contracts. With contracts come TWO-way obligations. Media companies are violating their own contracts with users and should be held accountable.

          Enough with the special favors from government.

          • They won’t choose “Publisher” publisher leaves them liable to defamation actions and to responsibility for anything criminal…. But being a “common carrier” should mean they can’t proactively censor the content.

        • Milton Friedman sometimes asked his students “Did any of you vote today?”

          The answer usually went something like “No, there is no election being held today.”

          Then he would ask them “Did any of you buy anything today?”

          The message here is if you do not like what YouTube or Google is doing then don’t vote for them by giving them your business.

          • Well, I don’t do Facebook and I don’t do Twitter. Google? I could do Microsoft Edge. Not much difference. But at least Google has “apps” that will wipe out cookies etc. Edge doesn’t that I have seen.
            I recently went from Windows 7 Pro to Windows 10 Pro. Still a leery of a few things. (I’ve never done Skype but after the last update, I was signed in and it was the first thing that came up on reboot.)

          • GD–Have the same questions with the windows 10 OS, but use Mozilla firefox for my browser –never have opened microsoft edge, and DuckDuckGo works as a search engine.
            I am stuck with google for email though

          • I did an upgrade from 7 to 10.
            One unexpected good thing. A favorite old game (Pacific General) that I could play on Windows XP wouldn’t run on Windows 7 Pro. But, after turning on the Windows 10 feature “DirectPlay”, it works again!
            (Glad I copied the whole game to an external drive years ago.)

          • There is something called Tron;

            NAME: Tron, an automated cleaner/scanner/disinfection tool
            AUTHOR: vocatus on reddit.com/r/TronScript ( vocatus.gate @ gmail )
            BACKGROUND: Why the name? Tron “Fights for the User”

            For cleaning up the sheer volume of bloatware and analytics etc that comes with a Windows 10 installation.

            **WARNING: Use at your own risk. If you do use it, follow the instructions.txt file once you unpack it!**

            I have run it on my own personal system and it did disable a few things like Windows Spolight on the lock screen but otherwise it worked fine.

            I never use Edge. In all my customer SOE builds I remove all links to it from desktop and start menus and install Google Chrome as the default browser (As requested by the customer).

            Skype can be uninstalled. Search for Skype in the search bar, right mouse click on the app and uninstall. But yes, I hate all the stuff that is enabled by default such as app access to devices like microphone and camera. Too much snooping!

          • That’s fine and true and all, but…what does that have to do with my post re: government-granted immunities, contracts, etc.? Not giving someone one’s business is a different issue than ensuring that a company adheres to its contract. Your example seems irrelevant to the point I was making, implying that the problems caused by non-market government intervention in this area can be solved by simple market forces.

            Government needs to butt out except to do one of the few tasks it legitimately has: to enforce contracts.

          • Russ, sometimes things drift a bit. No intent to “hijack”.
            “Paper” is essential for “Freedom of the Press”.
            Back in the 1780’s the Government would have been right to break a monopoly on the supply of paper. Particularly if it only sold paper to the newspapers the monopoly liked. Backdoor censorship.
            Today’s “paper” is digital.
            The digital realm needs to remain free and open.

        • That “first word”, Congress also applies to a HS coach inviting players to a pre-game prayer.
          It also applies to a Christian “Mom & Pop” bakery directing a lesbian couple to another bakery to make their wedding cake.

          The first thing “Government” is prohibited from doing is prohibiting religious beliefs OR establishing and enforcing politically “approved” beliefs.

          “Freedom of the Press”. Yes, ideas should be freely exchanged. But back in that day they didn’t imagine that a few would control who could get the “paper” those ideas would be printed on.
          Much like they didn’t envision the idea of a two party system. They fixed that themselves. Elections for “President and Vice President” would be based on a “ticket” rather than 1st and 2nd. (Can you image GW Bush as President with Gore his vise President? How about Trump and Hillary?)
          The internet is today’s “paper” when it comes to “Freedom of the Press”.
          Is a monopoly of today’s “paper” in keeping with the intent of the 1st Amendment? The free exchange of ideas?

    • We only do the climate trolling to receive funding.

      I am embarrassed by the amount of funding I receive from big oil, big wind, big solar and big cow. Big insect has put out feelers but I tell them I am rich enough already.

      Isn’t it great being sceptics whereby all the riches we can want are shovelled in our direction?

      Tonyb

      • Tonyb: Gotta respect someone who has the integrity to turn down Big Termite money.
        I suspect there’s some truth to this. Russians could use bots to attack the settled science, they have all that experience using globalist stooges to settle the science in the first place. It has all the signs of Russian intrigue. I’ve heard an old russian joke about a farmer who finds a lamp, rubs, genie appears in great flourish ready to grant a wish. Russian farmer goes on and on about how he has no cow, while his neighbor has a cow that provides so many great things. After some time the genie interrupts: “I see I see, your wish is that I grant you a cow?” “No, no” says the Russian, “I want you to kill my neighbor’s cow!” In sum, I wouldn’t be surprised if this SA site was attracting bots if it sows discord in the west. Does NOT mean SA has a clue otherwise.

        • Paul

          Great saying! I suspect you are right, but in blocking the bots I am sure they know they are also blocking intelligent sceptics who have a different message to the one they promote

          tonyb

    • We can’t stress that enough: do not engage.

      Whatever you do , do not discuss any climate issue with a “climate denier”. This will not be good for you. You may expose yourself to logical arguments and facts which you are not able to deal with. You may even find yourself questioning your own faith.

      Just report it to our thought police so that we can defuse and delete any inconvenient facts before they have a chance to contaminate other believers.

      Yet more proof we are dealing with pseudo-religious cult and not science.

      • It’s those offensive memes that clash with the falsified memes that we’ve come to know to be 97% correct that are the most troublesome when they are permitted to rattle around in cranial vaults to cognitive dissonant effect. Imagine all the confusion for children already on the march under expletive signage!

        • As ambassador Spock said:-
          “Jim, 97% of climate scientist think they are loosing the world, of course they are emotionally compromised!”

    • Maybe they don’t realize that the tide is turning, i.e. many people who lapped it all up are becoming aware of the charade. Recent articles on the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation’s website ( e.g. on Greta’s antics ) are now drawing mostly negative comments where just recently there was always a approving cheerleading response

      • I think they are well aware of the turning ride. That is one of the reasons for the recent cacophony of climate protests from Greta to the XR extremists.

        Perhaps the coming grand solar minimum might save us from this madness

      • readint daily mail uk last night
        of around 200 comments I read ten were fully supporting Greta about 10 more thought warming was real but didnt like ExR or gretas methods
        and the rest?
        HUGE dislike disapproval
        made me feel all warm n fuzzy to know theres a LOT more warmist aware /wiser people speaking out now than ever before
        the Aussie numbers claimed at round 500k or so
        well from 25mil thats a pretty low number, and I bet more than that were the numbers of very pi**ed off people trying to get to work shops appointments etc

  2. I think what has happened is that the political left has ‘jumped the shark’ with its rhetoric using the fear of climate change as the lever to destroy capitalism. More and more people, even among Democrats, are seeing through the rhetoric and aren’t going to sit back and allow the developed world to self destruct based on nothing more than a hunch and a hope.

    • Capitalism and democracy.
      They want to change the rules that control voting so that they can be sure that they never lose again.
      That’s why they fight so strongly against any effort to make sure that only those who are legally entitled to vote, vote and that they only vote once.

      • Very few people are caught and successfully prosecuted for voter fraud. And the radical Left want to be sure to keep it that way.

        • Absentee ballots should be abolished. Two parents with dementia? Disabled adult child? Spouse in a coma? Drug addicts & homeless?

          Harvest those ballots and get to voting!

    • Oh what a conundrum it is, ….. the political left demands background checks and registration to insure citizenship in order to purchase/own a firearm, …….

      but on the contrary, ….

      the political left claims that it is unconstitutional and demeaning to require background checks and registration to insure citizenship prior to casting a vote in a public election.

    • Indeed. One of the big turning points for me was hearing some of the solutions to climate change were to send huge amounts of money to Third World nations for “Climate Justice”. If you are a group of scientists truly believing you face an imminent, world-ending crisis, you take that money and spend it on research for a solution – you don’t give it to the poor to atone for your sins.

      • JS, don’t worry about that. The money never gets to the poor people, it is siphoned off by their corrupt leaders. Hence the saying “The United Nations is an organization established to transfer wealth from the poor people in rich nations to the rich people in poor nations.” And the UN takes a large commission on every transaction.

  3. Um…letting lots and lots of children out of school and transporting them to protest venues at taxpayer’s expense is not a mass movement. It is mass indoctrination at taxpayer’s expense.

    Almost every doomsday proclamation made during these field indoctrination exercises was a lie…easily refuted by peer reviewed studies (since you all say you find that sort of thing convincing.)

    I’m not in favor of taking children out into public and placing them into mass gatherings and then provably lying to them to scare them to death…or something. In fact, that sort of thing sounds legally actionable. I believe it is sometimes referred to as child abuse.

  4. OK, I admit, I’m really nothing more than a web-bot, my Father was a COBOL program at some large oil company, my Mother was RPG34 script for the accountants for the Koch Brothers … Busted!

  5. ….”with astonishing speed and ferocity. ”
    ================
    Well then it wasn’t me, I’ve got none of those attributes.

    • ….”with astonishing speed and ferocity. ”

      Reminds me of my first sexual encounter. (Especially the astonishing speed part.)

  6. In other words they don’t want dissent. Thanks to sites like WUWT, people are starting to be better educated and are more aware of what’s going with the science. perhaps it’s getting more difficult to debunk the debunkers.

    • I’m careful where I comment these days since facebook follows you on so many sites that force you to use your account. I don’t want it affecting my spouse’s career, and they do use any politically incorrect statements to destroy families now.
      Consider if so many people are willing to engage with them, how many more people are silent but agree, like us.

  7. HAHAHAHA! Symptoms of Mary Jane use in teens and 20’s is a high score on the “paranoia and suspicion” elements of the Minnesota Multi Phase Personality test.

    I scored VERY LOW on that, as I find most conservatives do.

    • Max… I don’t know how far you carried that thought about smoking MJ’s but you could start a brandy new conspiracy theory with that as the base, i.e., The left has been pushing to legalize marijuana in order to make the populace easier to indoctrinate, thus increasing their voter base. :<)

          • Yes, but it’s hard to separate that cause from the influx of Californicators that started back around the mid 1980’s. I always laughed… they moved to Colorado because they liked the ambiance, the fredom, etc.. But, they slowly turned it into what they had left in California.

  8. So constantly telling people that we have 8 months/12years left, and that’s the planet is is on fire is ok 😐 mass taxes and stopping our society in its tracks is ok… lying fools.

    Offensive memes. They are trying to upset you.
    Do not let them

  9. Its the same response when lefties lose elections, it cannot possibly be that a majority disagree with them, it must be some nefarious activities organised and funded by vested interests … ignoring that the “Climate Scam” (carefully chosen words, because of the resemblance to the Call Center Scams that are currently widespread) is exactly that.

  10. As usual the Left is claiming that evil things are being done by others. Interestingly the tactics they claim are really, really bad are exactly what they use and the news media use to attack anyone not abiding by the orthodoxy.

  11. I have noticed that there has been increasing numbers of contrarians on some of the sites I regularly visit. It is like they are practicing for the upcoming political maelstrom of the Presidential Election. I assume they are seeking to counter whatever influence these sites might have.

  12. From the “You Can’t Make this Stuff Up” department:

    KTLA News Los Angeles
    Rising Sea Levels Will Make It Harder for 60 Million
    People in U.S. to Flush Their Toilets, U.N. Says

    So am I a troll for posting that?

    • I used to have a boat with a toilet that flushed while I was afloat. (Replaced with one that had to be sucked out at dockside). So how is rising water going to be a problem that a little pressure wouldn’t cure?

    • I used to have a boat with a toilet that flushed while I was afloat. (Replaced with one that had to be sucked out at dockside). So how is rising water going to be a problem that a little pressure wouldn’t cure?

  13. “We don’t know where these climate trolls roost. Maybe they come from self-organizing grassroots groups with secret Facebook pages. Perhaps the fact they all use the same language and the same memes is indicative of receiving talking points and funding from the fossil fuel industry. Perhaps.”

    That, my friends, is a strawman. Logic fail.

  14. “so our moderators can deal with it as soon as they’re able.”

    Translation: Deleted, so that we can maintain the fiction that there is nobody who disagrees with us.

    • Also–If you trace their links you will find a series of cartoons that establish their mentality, leaving out the bad language-–“If you’re yelled at, ……. your free speech isn’t being violated…….. the people listening just think that you’re …… and they’re just showing you the door. ” Green Door no doubt.

      Language always gives it away.

  15. It is ridiculous. The real problem is not ‘trolls’

    The real problem is the cult of CAGW cannot win a simple discussion using logic reason and observations in a forum.

    In reply to:

    “We can’t stress that enough: do not engage.”

    CAGW is a silly dead theory.

    There are a dozen observations and analysis in peer reviewed papers that support the assertion that there is no CAGW.

  16. Maybe it’s because more and more people are fed-up to the back teeth with their CAGW malarkey, and are calling them out for it…

  17. The Thunberg boomerang effect. The public relations team went over the top with Greta giving her apocalyptic nonsense top billing on mainstream news. This has backfired spectacularly as people without interest in the climate debate only saw a privileged girl with mental health issues that has been brainwashed and in response they have started to call out the alarmists.

    • The best trolling is to be subversive. I went over and read afew posts to get a feel for the place. One commenter said that even though they had a PhD in Astronomy, they didn’t have the right to critique a climate scientists’ work.

      I pointed out that neither Mann, Hansen, nor Schmidt had degrees in Climate Science, but were physicists, astronomers, mathematicians, etc., and that every scientist had the duty to critique poor science when they saw it.

      So far I’ve had one like. It’s all in the presentation.

  18. I’ll say this. We can win the Internet. I follow some pages that do about 10% climate stories. Be polite and reasonable. One of my favorites is to go with what AR5 says. You know the economists to mention. I do think Science Alert is paranoid.

    • It is so easy to troll sites like Science Alert that Cherry Pick facts to fit their narrative. Their latest one is on how far east in the Atlantic Basin that Hurricane Lorenzo became a major hurricane. They note this is the first time since Julia in 2010, as it is a sign of Climate Change. But a commenter then pointed out 5 other hurricanes besides Julia-2010 that reached major hurricane status east of 45W longitude in the previous 30 years. Oopps.
      But now that commenter it is troll because he pointed out facts not consistent with the desired narrative.
      It’s apparently “trolling” to point out facts they are trying to ignore.
      That also makes McIntyre and McKittrick trolls for destroying Man”s hockey stick fraud.

      To be clear:
      It is not Trolling to point out “inconvenient” facts ignored such as the historical record of hurricanes.

  19. Perhaps the fact they all use the same language and the same memes is indicative of receiving talking points and funding from the fossil fuel industry. Perhaps.

    Surely it doesn’t matter?

    If they use the same language and same memes then one defeat will defeat them all.
    So what’s the problem for Science Alert?

    Unless they can’t actually win the argument with facts or logic.
    Perhaps.

    • the truth has a funny way of being the SAME day in and day out … they are saying the same truthful thing …

  20. “a day that saw over four million people staging protests around the world, demanding climate action”

    According to USA’s Census.gov
    USA’s population is approximately 329,000,000 people.
    Which puts the protestors at 0.12% if all those kooks were protesting just in America.

    The world’s population estimate clocks at approximately 7,601,000,000.
    Which puts the protestors at 0.052625% of the globe’s populations.

    I believe that puts their climate protest squarely in the “No one cares” department.

  21. WAAAAAAHHHHH! There are meanies that don’t agree with our godlike scientific consensus so we are labelling them trolls and we will DESTROY them. Really, WE are the gods, and you WILL submit. Got it?????

    (Any moron getting their science from Facebook is hopelessly lost. No one should waste their time on such a hopelessly stupid venue. This Russian crap is getting old, too. I sense desperation setting in.)

    • They have been taught that if it is bad, CO2 caused it, and it never happened before. Just ignore those lying history books.

  22. Sooo, I’ve never actually visited Science Alert, and I decided to take a look and see what kind of science they are alerting us to.

    In addition to all the usual Climate Bedwetting we usually see from the Faithful, there are stories on how Aliens may have already visited Earth, Someone finding evidence of Noah’s Ark, Hidden Messages in Milton’s ‘Paradise Lost’, and dating advice from a 2 headed woman (women?).

    Seriously, all that on the front page when I visited.

    >¿<

  23. A bigot is someone who is intolerant of the views of others.
    This also applies to The Conversation. Even more insane because both of these sites are supposedly scientific, but REAL science is open. To even think of having it closed off to certain views is totally anti-science.

    Interestingly, it is difficult to argue with a “science” (read pseudoscience) that has no actual evidence and has made-up science. An example of made up science is positive feedback. This simply can not happen in a dynamic equilibrium, which has been the case for 4.5 billion years. The entire scenario is founded upon very shaky assumptions, but if exposing these shaky assumptions is banned, the tower will continue to grow on these foundations of bovine excrement. When it eventually topples, things will become very messy indeed for those that thought they lived in an ivory tower.

    As they know the foundations are shaky, they will do whatever they can to prop up the narrative. Look out for ever more absurd behaviour from the warmists. Alas, this WILL include calls for locking up sceptics and then executing sceptics. Think I am joking? “Deniers” are already being punished by losing funding and employment. The “denier” slur will be their justification for further crimes against humanity.

    It is up to us to continue exposing the flaws in their narrative and waking people up before climate tyranny engulfs humanity . We need to get that pendulum swinging back – get the ivory tower of climate pseudoscience to implode in to its own cesspit of excrement.

    • A bigot is a sanctimonious hypocrite. The special and peculiar interests, the politicians and people, who promote and profit from the prophecy of catastrophic anthropogenic global warming adhere to a selective, opportunistic quasi-religious/moral philosophy (“ethics”). They are unprincipled, highly relativistic, and are technically not bigots. They are divergent, which is officially and popularly portrayed and perceived as “tolerant”

    • “A bigot is someone who is intolerant of the views of others.”
      ======================
      Some words have meaning, some need interpretation.
      Sometimes authors are just lazy.

  24. “Those metrics are a clear sign the engagement is not organic, but is coming from a targeted source.” They’ve detected the signal — just like with global warming!!!

  25. I posted “If we keep adding carbon to the atmosphere then animals will grow huge again. Carbon was the cause of dinosaurs growing so large. When carbon was 4000 parts per million even the insects were gigantic.”

    If you see this meme running around alarmist circles I want full credit.

  26. If they want “climate action” then they ought to stop using fossil fuels – that is the greatest action they could take. It is always supposed to be someone else to do the work, make the sacrifice.

  27. Ya, because I’m a:

    “Climate change denying Big Oil-financed Russian AI troll bot”.

    I should sell T-shirts and bumper stickers with that logo.
    Sadly, most people wouldn’t get it.
    Which is why we’re in this climate scam swamp up to our armpits

  28. I thought I would check out this Facebook page.

    Lo and behold look at what I found.

    https://www.sciencealert.com/computers-are-making-huge-mistakes-because-they-can-t-understand-chaos-scientists-warn

    This article warns about the problems inherent in using digital computers to model chaotic systems. The lack of precision in 32 and 64 bit numbers can result in large errors.

    The last couple of weeks some very long threads have occurred discussing the uncertainties introduced due to cloud effects in modeling. One of the “solutions” was supposed to be the use of ensembles. This paper shoots that all to hell.

    It appears to be another nail in the GCM models.

    Sooner or later climate modelers are going to be required to address the large errors and uncertainties in their pet projects.

    I still think analog computers might be the way to go
    I know there aren’t a lot of people who even know what they are or how they work but they can deal with real world interactions. However, you can’t fool them. You either know how things work or you don’t.

  29. I read a few comments on their page, and noticed that more than a few felt that, even though they had PhDs and other degrees, they had no right to “lecture climate scientists on their work.”

    I decided to jump in and point out that neither Mann, Hansen, or Schmidt had degrees in “climate science.” They had degrees in mathematics, geology, astronomy, geophysics — but not a meteorology or climatology degrees among them.

    I enjoined the readership to feel free to critique the work. They were degreed, educated people too, and “peer reviewed” is not a synonym for “correct.”

    I signed off with a telling of the history of plate tectonics, and how peer-reviewed papers were written on both sides for forty years, until finally the facts — not a consensus — won out.

    I’ll be interesting to see the response, if I don’t get blocked. I was polite and respectful, though, so it should be good.

    • With regards to plate tectonics, it was an amateur geologist who first posed the theory that the land mass of the earth was a bunch of plates that were fluid and mobile. He was ridiculed for it too. His theory was later proven by the US Navy during the cold war after mapping the sea floor, after his death IIRC. There are many examples of amateurs posing theories and then them being proven correct.

  30. Who knows is anyone reads what I write?
    An approach to Facebook articles about climate change:
    I think my strongest position is that of a climate moderate. Many people attack the strawmen on our right. I avoid quoting or referring anyone too far to the right. Figure out what your sea level rise approach is. A long time ago I look at AR5 and figured under the two middle emission scenarios, it’s 2.3 inches per decade through about 2090. I did not shade this answer in my favor. You can check this yourself. I had to eyeball some graphs. It only takes and hour or so. Also I can call on the authority of the IPCC. Which is usually more than the writer of the article can do. Moderates can carry a big stick.
    My position on renewables is about absolute. They are junk. I reference Germany a lot suggesting if they can’t make it work, who can? Lomborg and Shellenberger are good to refer to as they are save the planet types. I don’t think it’s wise to obsess over Mann or anyone else.
    And I call out skydragons. And tell them to go away. They are not my allies. Try to be nice.

  31. “Next thing we know, several threads are spiralling into a shouting match, all while drowning out the important climate news we are trying to share with the world.”

    How can a consensus of settled science, known far and wide from toddlers to centenarians, be considered “news”? These people are entirely too goosey.

  32. I noticed a growing trend of “denialist” comments not being posted at many of the MSM websites here in Australia that have comments enabled on climate change articles. Many posts request “denialist” posts be deleted and email addresses blocked.

    • advertiser and herald used to delete
      now theyre leting more skeptics posts remain compared to the few believers posts
      recent greta comments are skeptics at about 7 to 3 believers

    • converstaion is pretty much ABC backdoor agitprop for all their minorities and feel good/special groups
      last place to go FOR an actual conversation, as in- exchange of views and ideas

  33. Sorry, I came to my conclusions (namely, that the slight warming I see in the scientific records since 1850 is probably a natural variation and is unlikely to cause significant natural disaster; and is certainly unworthy of mass scale panic and abandonment of modern agriculture and transportation systems) all on my own.

  34. I have seen an absolute surge in the fight back. Websites such as this and others have been critical in this.

    Many thanks to all!!

  35. Even UNIVAC worshipers know computers cannot understand anything. Not even System Z can.
    So the science alert journalists cannot even understand computers, never mind Russian bots.
    Looks like the Alert is an AI outfit.

  36. Well, seems like climate realists got the message about the CJR/Guardian inspired Climate News Cabal….and are responding. Well done!

  37. Life on earth depends on convincing skeptics that they are wrong, but please don’t do that.

    I suspect their real fear is that skeptics are better informed on the issue and the danger is that the Alarmanazis may begin to question the issue more seriously.

  38. Leftist media/apparatchiks — projection. Rinse, project, repeat. Every dirty trick they are accomplished experts at, they accuse others of.

  39. 4 million worldwide protesters. Oh my!

    4,000,000/7,700,000,000 = an eel fart in the gulf stream. Would that qualify as natural gas?

  40. “….. a day that saw over four million people staging protests around the world…”

    Well my casual research on the ABS website suggested to me that Australia has roughly 2million kiddlings between the ages of 10 to 19 in the cities, and just under another million living elsewhere in Oz.

    So if we are generous and rule out the non city kids that still leaves 2 million or so of the target age group in Australia alone.

    Yet there were ONLY 4 million protesters GLOBALLY?

    Oh dear.

    Let us see if we can recover here. Let us take the city of Melbourne, easily the most green and woke dystopia in all of Australia. The Division of Melbourne is currently held by Adam Bandt of The Greens, a man who likes to think of himself as a “Climate Leader”. Now in the last election young Adam received 45,876 primary votes out of the 100,000 or so punters in the 40km squared area. To find a more Green area of Australia you need to start banning meat eaters.

    So, totally ignoring any surrounding areas that may have taken advantage of Melbourne’s half decent public transport system to come in for the day, there are some 45,000 green supporters of voting age before we even start to count the under 18s (aka the school kids who are of course the target audience for this strike).

    So, in Melbourne and within reasonably walking distance there SHOULD exist easily over 50,000 protesters who should have been giving their left tofu to strike in the name of the Nordic Thanos and then we can still swell those numbers by those who live in the surrounding suburbs.

    (the Division of Wills for example, which is immediately north of the Division of Melbourne, had over 25,000 Green first preference voters. Voters. People who believe The Greens are the best people to be in government. Plus, one assumes, matching kids.)

    So should have easily been well over 100,000 in Melbourne alone.

    Was there that many?

    Yeah…. Didn’t think so.

    Face it Greta, no one really cares.

  41. What stupid minds –

    “Perhaps the fact they all use the same language and the same memes is indicative of receiving talking points and funding from the fossil fuel industry. Perhaps.”

    Has anyone considered why Diesel, and ONLY Diesel got subsidized:

    – After the napoleonic wars, after sea blockades and continental blockades, after WWI and WWII, the war-weary eurasian states wanted to become independent of foreign food deliveries.

    – This was only possible with enhanced domestic primary productions.

    – For this, the agricultural equipment would have to be supplied with enough: Diesel.

    – for which the domestic gas station networks had to be equipped with a full range of diesel supply over / through farm land areas. Agriculture operates a few diesel-powered tractors and combine harvesters.

    But there are countless employees who have to cover twice the distance between home and work every day.

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    And since then, average citizens are securing the supply of tractors and combine harvesters with enough diesel fuels.

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