Meatless Diet?

 

News Brief by Kip Hansen

 

featured_image_meatFrom the NY Times’ seemingly unlimited stockpile of odd activist efforts on behalf of “The Climate” — we have a new entry that landed in my email box today [it could land in yours too if you subscribe to the newsletter, Climate Fwd:] —

 

 

What if We All Ate a Bit Less Meat?

By Jillian Mock

Jillian Mock writes a glowing report of how much land would be freed up and how many tons of reduced CO2 emissions would result if everyone just ate a bit less meat. She references a study from Scientific Reports section of Nature titled, in the modern way,  “Environmentally Optimal, Nutritionally Sound, Protein and Energy Conserving Plant Based Alternatives to U.S. Meat”.

The cited study does not concern itself with partial replacement of meat in American diets, but only with total meat replacement (either replacing red meats or all meats).   I could guess that the data about partial replacement of meat in diets comes from the date coincident (released 8 August 2019) IPCC Special Report “Climate Change and Land”.

The brief of the new studies meatless diet for Americans is this:

Diet composition, nutrient delivery, and share of resource use

In daily per capita mass, buckwheat, soy, pears, and kidney beans dominate the all meat replacement, while green pepper, soy, asparagus, and squash dominate the beef only replacement …… Because these lists partly reflect the list of plant items we use and the upper mass bounds we impose …, they are unlikely to be the globally optimal plant replacements to the two meat masses and types (that is, more nutritious or environmentally sound alternatives may exist using items not included here). They also take no note of tastes, cuisines or palates, and may thus prove suboptimally deployable.

Please raise your hands if you would be willing to give up all meat in your diet and predominately replace it with “buckwheat, soy, pears, and kidney beans”.  

Thank you, hands down.

Now, hands up,  those willing to replace only the beef eating predominately green pepper, soy, asparagus, and squash.

Thank you, hands down.

Now farmers only, please:  Assuming that we could raise the buckwheat (replacing other grains already cultivated) and already may raise enough soy (if we quit feeding it to animals to make meat), hands up if you think we could shift to raise sufficient pears, green peppers, asparagus and kidney beans to replace the total protein requirement of all the humans in the United States?    Hands up for “yes”.

Thank you, I notice there were no hands up.

There is a mostly critical article in Scientific American on the paper.

This is yet another popular science meme to push less- and no-meat diets — mostly by people that have had more-than-adequate diet choices all their lives.  Speaking from personal experience among the poor in the Caribbean and South America, people who have been forced by poverty and circumstance to survive on diets lacking meat protein would not have  raised their hands to the propositions above.

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Author’s Comment Policy:

My family and I ascribe to a diet that already calls for eating meat sparingly, thus meat is often a side-dish or added for flavor and texture to what is primarily a grain and vegetable based diet.  Thus, this is not a personal issue for me.

The issue for me is yet another pie-in-the-sky, totally impossible to implement, bubble-headed plan to save the planet from climate change by imposing bizarre restrictions on the free-will choices of the people of this (and other) countries.

I wouldn’t object so much if the proposals made any type of pragmatic, real-world sense at all.

Let me know which proposals you raised your hand to.

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Jeff B.
August 22, 2019 5:35 am

I encourage the intelligent readership of WUWT to do more research in to a Whole Food Plant Based diet. I say this as a climate realist who cares nothing about the ridiculous claims of saving the planet by reducing meat consumption. It’s not about the planet but about your health. Watch the movie Forks Over Knives to learn more. The inflammation present with a high dairy/ animal content diet is directly correlated to atherosclerosis, cancer and other lifestyle diseases. I’ve been eating a plant based diet since 2013 and I am a performance athlete running as much as 50 miles a week. At age 52 I am still able to run six minute miles have low cholesterol and a blood pressure of 110/70. All my bloodwork comes up spectacular. It’s the diet because before I stopped eating animal products and processed foods my numbers were all bad even though I was an athlete. Do it for your health not for the planet, the progressives, the animals or the alarmist climate fools. You’ll be glad you did. There’s more protein in every food than you need. Plants are no different. And you will feel great. And consider that the largest and most powerful hominids on earth eat only plants and they are doing great. You’ve been conditioned to think you need animal products, but try a pant based diet for a month and see if you don’t feel vastly better. Thanks for reading.

LdB
Reply to  Jeff B.
August 22, 2019 6:48 am

On your diet you actually don’t live any longer it just feels like it 🙂

RicDre
Reply to  LdB
August 22, 2019 9:59 am

+42 🙂

AGW is not Science
Reply to  Jeff B.
August 22, 2019 7:15 am

You probably could have achieved the same benefits just ditching the “processed” foods, plus anything your body is allergic to. Nothing wrong with veggies, they make the perfect companion to steak, chicken, burgers, duck, etc.

The “whole food plant based diet” nazis are the same ones with malnourished, intellectually disadvantaged, stunted children.

Thanks but no thanks.

Editor
Reply to  Jeff B.
August 22, 2019 8:14 am

Jeff B ==> Fortunately diet is still a matter of personal choice, at least in the United States.

I certainly have no objections to those proselytizing plant based diets as long as they are honest about the downsides of such diets and are not promulgating misinformation. The authors of the study in question base their [absurd] recommended diets on satisfying the nutritional differences between diets with and without meats.

My objections to this study and its promotion are the implied push force ( or pressure ) other people to give up meat for reasons that have nothing to do with human nutrition.

In my own case, I eat so little meat already that I would not miss it — except for the nutritional deficiencies that might develop as a result — I’d have to take some care with that side of things.

Rod Evans
Reply to  Jeff B.
August 22, 2019 9:55 am

Hey Jeff, put me down for a “pant” based diet. I like the sound of it, even if I have no idea what it is. I will try anything for a month.
By the way, every year I have a health check and my blood results all come out in the middle of the healthy range. Blood pressure is always above the ideal but always falls to below ideal after a rest period, they call it white coat syndrome apparently.
Retired now so not running marathons, but still chain saw active and just made a Kayak simply because I can.
I eat anything that tastes good and so does my old mother aged 95, still living in her own home.
What is the benefit of that pants diet again?

Reply to  Jeff B.
August 22, 2019 11:20 am

Hi Jeff B., – On a long term plant based diet our bodies can take in more of the plant compounds called poly-amines, which plants are rich in because they are crucial to them. Just taking poly-amines as supplements does not really change their levels in our bodies.

Science has gone quite in depth beyond just carbohydrates, fats & proteins. What the poly-amines do is facilitate cellular housekeeping; (among other things) they influence our genes’ pattern(s) of methyl-ation (there is interplay of methyl chemical groups with genes).

Auto-phagy (there are several versions) is basically how our cells get rid of big molecules cluttering up cellular dynamics & altered proteins. This process (auto-phagy) cleans up the cell interior & recycles what is possible.

When you read about tactics such as “calorie restriction”&/or fasting as health enhancers their effect has been determined to be largely through augmenting auto-phagy. Reduced auto-phagy is seen in many age related illnesses & the young tend to have higher poly-amine levels than the elderly; but healthy 90 & up geriatrics have poly-amine levels like the young.

The old joke about living on plants just seems like it’s longer is somewhat misleading. If your innate genetics didn’t give you a poor paradigm to live with then eating plants with their poly-amines do seem to favor a long life.

As you are taxingly athletic the issue of muscle on a plant diet may interest you as well. Your performance is understandable because (see free full text available on-line) “Polyamines support myogenesis by facilitating myoblast migration “, by the team of Brewer, Feiler& Kahan.

Michael 2
Reply to  Jeff B.
August 23, 2019 8:52 am

“You’ve been conditioned to think you need…”

There’s a certain irony in reading your own conditioning remarks.

ColMosby
August 22, 2019 6:03 am

You have to wonder how many nutball ideas will arise before these low cabon warriors realize that building a fleet of super safe, super cheap molten salt small nuclear reactors wil not only save money,but save us from hearing about these idiotic ideas. Technology is the key.

Wally
August 22, 2019 6:05 am

Soylent green.

Let’s get this party started.

Sara
Reply to  Wally
August 22, 2019 3:44 pm

Soylent yellow is soy and lentils.

Soylent green is people. Cannibalism is okay. 😉

Diogenese
August 22, 2019 7:27 am

What happens to all the stuff fed to animals ? Ya know the byproducts of the human food chain , wheat hulls , distillers dried grains from the fructose industry , beet pulp and all the rest , landfill ?

Reply to  Diogenese
August 23, 2019 11:38 am

Smoothies for vegans.

Darcy
August 22, 2019 7:50 am

P.E.T.A.
people enjoying tasty animals
All gods creatures look best next to mashed potatoes and gravy!

August 22, 2019 9:08 am

CFACT has an article related to this topic and how Al Gore and other Green elitists are positioning themselves to become Meat-substitute Billionaires…his company has already invested $200 Million in meat substitutes.

Will Al Gore be the first fake meat billionaire?
https://www.cfact.org/2019/08/21/will-al-gore-be-the-first-fake-meat-billionaire/

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Patrick MJD
August 22, 2019 9:23 am

I wonder if some parents feeding their child a diet that was not “vegan” with the same result have avoided jail? I think not!

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/vegan-parents-avoid-jail-over-malnourished-daughter-20190822-p52jlr.html

Fran
August 22, 2019 9:30 am

Lots of people always think the way they do things is the best way, and always want to recommend their own way to others. You could sum up the entire thread above as this tendency.

As far as diet goes, cooking for a family without meat takes a lot more time and effort to make varied and attractive and nutritious meals. I will spend double the time in the kitchen today because half of the biologists/ecologists coming to dinner are vegan, and there will be a meat dish for those who will eat it.

StephenP
Reply to  Fran
August 22, 2019 10:56 am

If you were visiting a vegan household, would they offer you a meat option?

icisil
Reply to  Fran
August 22, 2019 11:58 am

On the other hand, meat is much more of a hassle to cook with because it’s refrigeration life is so limited. To each his/her own.

Walter Sobchak
August 22, 2019 9:35 am

That’s it. Steak for dinner.

Walter Sobchak
August 22, 2019 9:37 am

When you hear people pushing vegetarianism, remind them that Hitler was vegetarian.

Geoff Sherrington
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
August 22, 2019 10:04 am

So were Einstein, Leonardo Da Vinci, and Thomas Edison. What is your point?

Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
August 22, 2019 11:47 am

Maybe later in life, Hitler respected animals more than he respected humans, which only points to the severity of Hitler’s evil. It says nothing about vegetarians being like Hitler. It suggests that Hitler was a fragmented psychopath — showing no empathy for human suffering, while showing empathy for animal suffering. How screwed up is THAT?

Darrin
August 22, 2019 10:31 am

These idiots also don’t take into consideration what various people can tolerate food wise. Here’s where I can never be a vegetarian or vegan:
-Soy, the main protein replacement for meat. My body can’t tolerate soy at all, even a little bit will have heading to the bathroom for the next 4-6 hours until my body can shed every little bit I ingested. Basically my body reacts as if I’ve been poisoned.
-All other beans. I can take beans if properly prepared but no more than a cup of prepared beans a day. If not properly prepared or I eat more than a cup I can’t stand to be around myself and can’t put anyone else through that experience. This is rather hard on me because I love various bean dishes. This is a problem that has gotten worse with age.
-Gluten… I don’t always have a reaction or its so mild as to not be noticeable but at other times it can be quite noticeable. Symptoms generally are flushed cheeks, sinuses plug up and at times gas. This also has been slowly getting worse as I get older. I basically can’t even eat oats anymore (no oatmeal for breakfast or oatmeal cookies for me). Heck I’ve mostly cut beer out of my life due to adverse reaction I might have depending on what it was brewed with, just risk an occasional brew now.
-Vegetables in moderation are fine but if I tried to eat enough to replace meat protein we would be back to not being able to stand myself let alone expect others accept my “aroma”.

Basically I’m a meat and potatoes guy because anything else upsets me in one way or another.

ResourceGuy
August 22, 2019 10:50 am

And in the real science column we have this news today…..

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/08/190822113401.htm

Will the NYT ignore this one?

MikeW
August 22, 2019 12:25 pm

… from my cold, dead mouth.

August 22, 2019 1:09 pm

Good grief. The human body is a chemical factory. The types and numbers of gut flora in our digestive system, not to mention our own body’s ability to absorb various nutrients, likely makes us each unique (but with a strong genetic component?).

A special or limited diet that works for one may be disastrous for someone else. Variety, at least at the beginning, is probably best for most, imo, followed by eliminating any foods that cause problems. Anything you do beyond that comes with a risk.

I have zero problems with meat, and a slab of meat is far more nutritious than an equal caloric amount of cocoa mixed with sugar, both vegetable-based products. As far as the meat-is-murder crowd, most all animals in nature are murdered, whether by a larger predator, a lowly virus, or something inbetween. Nature doesn’t care, and I evolved as an omnivore. So do as you like, but don’t be presumptuous to think your way is best for me.

Time for some barbeque – the meat kind.

August 22, 2019 1:28 pm

Kip, Has the “soy mimics estrogen” been debunked?

https://healthyeating.sfgate.com/eating-soy-increase-estrogen-production-2870.html

What about the need for meat in brain growth and development.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-farmacy/201205/do-happy-healthy-brains-need-meat

Sara
Reply to  Gary Pearse
August 22, 2019 3:50 pm

Well, we ARE predators going way, way back, whether the veg promoters like it or not. There is hard archaeological evidence in Germany of a campsite where HOOMANS were butchering and prepping horse meat after hunting horses with double-pointed wood spears (javelins). This was dated at 400,000 years ago. There were also child-sized javelins, showing that children were being taught to hunt prey animals like horses and bovines with the adults.

The javelins and other tools are in a German museum.

So this bogus twaddle about ‘we’re plant eaters by nature’ is just that – TOTALLY BOGUS, MAN!!!!

August 22, 2019 3:13 pm

Keep the soy n low testosterone n moobs that go with it

Never ever feed your boys soy or soy products

US soy consumption increase just happens to correlate with the rise of the beta n male testosterone levels plummeting

Editor
August 22, 2019 3:30 pm

Epilogue:

Thanks to all of you readers who contributed your “two cents worth” on the Meatless Diet Plan.

I have grown asparagus — maybe reader Sara did too — it is a very limited-production crop and takes a lot of garden space for little (but delicious!) return. Worth it for some folks — we always has a liitle patch — and had shoots for a few weeks….kids liked it raw or cooked.

Commercial asparagus growing, however, can be profitable even for smaller farms.

I have picked pears in Oregon (both with and without permission . . .) Just to add to the oddity, I once owned a stone grist mill the had processed only buckwheat in its productive days.

To top off this discussion, I suggest readers look at John P. A. Ioannidis’ latest paper:
“The Challenge of Reforming Nutritional Epidemiologic Research

Most nutritional epidemiology findings are simply false.

Thanks for Reading!

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Sara
Reply to  Kip Hansen
August 22, 2019 4:36 pm

Yes, we did grow asparagus, and our chickens got to go through the tomato patch to get worms, caterpillars and bugs. Chickens are better pest killers than those commercial pesticides – and tasty, too!

August 22, 2019 3:57 pm

The United Nations Delegates Dining Room do a Rib-Eye steak for lunch.

http://packinglighttravel.com/destinations/lunch-united-nations-new-york/

J Mac
August 22, 2019 3:58 pm

Eating only vegetable matter is less than half appealing, to this genetically optimized omnivore.