The Green New Deal Is This Generation’s Moon Shot
Sending humans to the moon was a choice. Saving the earth is a necessity.By D.D. GuttenplanTwitter JULY 29, 2019
What is it about the left and the space program? Back in the summer of ’69—long before he became The Nation’s lead editorial writer—the late Andrew Kopkind pointed out the inextricable ties between American militarism on earth and our country’s higher aspirations.
“We Aim at the Stars (But Hit Quang Tri),” he wrote, decrying a system “that swells the profits of the biggest military/space corporations without changing the system of distribution of those profits one whit.” Critics might say we’re still at it, still harshing the national buzz by noticing those on whose backs that giant leap was launched—just as we did at the time, when The Nation impertinently remarked that amid all the talk about “the blackness of space,” the faces on the screen were uniformly white.
So perhaps this is an odd place to confess my lifelong love affair with space.
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The Green New Deal won’t be easy to pass—or to deliver. As President Kennedy said, “We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things not because they are easy but because they are hard.” Building the postcarbon economy we desperately need while unraveling the noose of inequality around our necks will be a gigantic undertaking. That’s the good news. The bad news is that unlike going to the moon, saving the earth isn’t an option. It’s a necessity.
D.D. Guttenplan is editor of The Nation and the author, most recently, of The Next Republic: The Rise of a New Radical Majority (Seven Stories Press).
The Nation
Let’s get this out of the way first…
“Mr. Guttenplan, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”
Billy Madison, 1995, Paraphrased
At no point in Mr. Guttenplan’s rambling, incoherent essay was he even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.
While it was a difficult, expensive and challenging endeavor, the “Moon Shot” had a defined, fixed objective which could be achieved with well-established aerospace engineering methods.
The Green New Deal has no fixed definition. There’s no way to know when it will have been achieved. And, most importantly, climate change, whether natural or anthropogenic, is no threat at all to Earth (AKA the planet).
The only way that the Green New Deal is analogous to the “Moon Shot” is that both are or were choices. We chose to go to the Moon. We can choose to destroy our economy… Or we can just choose to go back to the Moon again
The “Moon Shot” was the budgetary equivalent of NASA spending its entire budget on one program for 13 years.
In 1961, when President John F. Kennedy committed the nation to sending an astronaut to the moon “before this decade is out,” the federal budget enjoyed a surplus and economists were calling for government spending to stimulate the economy.
Even so, the final price tag still boggles the mind. Between 1960 and 1973, NASA spent $28 billion developing the rockets, spacecraft and ground systems needed for what became the Apollo program. According to a recent analysis by the Planetary Society, that translates into an estimated $288.1 billion in inflation-adjusted dollars.That’s roughly equivalent to spending NASA’s current annual budget on a single project and sustaining that effort for more than a decade.
CBS News
People can argue whether or not the Apollo program was worth the expense… I clearly think it was. However, it was not an economically disruptive project. It was never more than a small percentage of the Federal budget.
It’s impossible to even guess how much the Green New Deal would cost… Because we don’t even know what it actually is.
Senator Edward Markey and Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez released a fourteen-page resolution[8] for their Green New Deal on February 7, 2019. According to The Washington Post (February 11, 2019), the resolution calls for a “10-year national mobilization” whose primary goals would be:[46]
“Guaranteeing a job with a family-sustaining wage, adequate family and medical leave, paid vacations, and retirement security to all people of the United States.”
“Providing all people of the United States with – (i) high-quality health care; (ii) affordable, safe, and adequate housing; (iii) economic security; and (iv) access to clean water, clean air, healthy and affordable food, and nature.”
“Providing resources, training, and high-quality education, including higher education, to all people of the United States.”
“Meeting 100 percent of the power demand in the United States through clean, renewable, and zero-emission energy sources.”
“Repairing and upgrading the infrastructure in the United States, including . . . by eliminating pollution and greenhouse gas emissions as much as technologically feasible.”
“Building or upgrading to energy-efficient, distributed, and ‘smart’ power grids, and working to ensure affordable access to electricity.”
“Upgrading all existing buildings in the United States and building new buildings to achieve maximal energy efficiency, water efficiency, safety, affordability, comfort, and durability, including through electrification.”
“Overhauling transportation systems in the United States to eliminate pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from the transportation sector as much as is technologically feasible, including through investment in – (i) zero-emission vehicle infrastructure and manufacturing; (ii) clean, affordable, and accessible public transportation; and (iii) high-speed rail.”
“Spurring massive growth in clean manufacturing in the United States and removing pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from manufacturing and industry as much as is technologically feasible.”
“Working collaboratively with farmers and ranchers in the United States to eliminate pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from the agricultural sector as much as is technologically feasible.”
Wikipedia
Contrast that Billy Madison-worthy manifesto with…
“We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things not because they are easy but because they are hard.”
President John F. Kennedy, 1961
A rambling manifesto vs. a specific objective.
The Heritage Foundation estimated that the cost of the Green New Deal’s carbon tax alone would be $3.9 trillion and 1.4 million lost jobs. Estimates of the costs vary widely, in part due to its ill-defined parameters.
In February 2019, the centre-right American Action Forum, estimated that the plan could cost between $51–$93 trillion over the next decade.[75] They estimate its potential cost at $600,000 per household.[76] The organization estimated the cost for eliminating carbon emissions from the transportation system at $1.3–2.7 trillion; guaranteeing a job to every American $6.8–44.6 trillion; universal health care estimated close to $36 trillion.[77] According to Bloomberg Businessweek, Wall Street is willing to invest significant resources toward GND programs, but not unless Congress commits to moving it forward.[78]
Wikipedia
The IPCC’s SR 1.5 indicated that it would take a $240/gal tax on gasoline and $122 trillion to fight the Global War on Weather in order to stay below the arbitrary 1.5 ˚C warming limit. Which is basically where we are now without wasting $122 trillion and destroying the Free World.

RCP4.5 is a strong mitigation scenario with the atmospheric CO2 concentration leveling off below 540 ppm in the second half of the 21st century.
RCP 4.5:
The RCP 4.5 is developed by the MiniCAM modeling team at the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory’s Joint Global Change Research Institute (JGCRI). It is a stabilization scenario where total radiative forcing is stabilized before 2100 by employment of a range of technologies and strategies for reducing greenhouse gas emissions. The scenario drivers and technology options are detailed in Clarke et al. (2007). Additional detail on the simulation of land use and terrestrial carbon emissions is given by Wise et al (2009).The MiniCAM-team responsible for developing the RCP 4.5 are:
RCP Database
Allison Thomson, Katherine Calvin, Steve Smith, Page Kyle, April Volke, Pralit Patel, Sabrina Delgado, Ben Bond-Lamberty, Marshall Wise, Leon Clarke and Jae Edmonds
Spending $122 trillion to stay below the arbitrary 1.5 ˚C warming limit, when we’re already just about there, would be like calling for a “Moon Shot” while Neil Armstrong was in the process of manually landing Eagle on the Moon.
AOC should stick to solving world hunger.

Because she’s going to need to figure out how to feed 3.5 billion people after she bans natural gas.

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Saikat Chakrabarti, AOC’s chief of staff, and Corbin Trent, her communications director, would be leaving her congressional office in the next few weeks.
Chakrabarti in a rare bit of honesty has said: “The interesting thing about the Green New Deal, is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all. Do you guys think of it as a climate thing?” Chakrabarti continued. “Because we really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing.”
The Green New Deal is more like a self-inflicted shot to the head than a moon shot.
The GND is analogous to Khmer Rouge times 1,000 – 1 billion humans will pass to archive their goals of total domination, nothing to do with climate. The amount of livestock that will cease to exist is off the charts.
The political goal of going to the Moon was the beat the Communist. There were many valuable tech spin-offs.
The political goal of The Green New Deal is to have the Communist win. No real spin-offs unless you hate birds.
The Green New Deal is not analogous to the “Moon Shot”
The Green New Deal IS analogous to a “Brain Shot” – that is, shooting yourself in the brain.
WHAT THE GREEN NEW DEAL IS REALLY ABOUT — AND IT’S NOT THE CLIMATE
July 20, 2019
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/07/20/what-the-green-new-deal-is-really-about-and-its-not-the-climate/
The Green New Deal is reminiscent of the various German retreats from rationality that gave rise to the Nazis. Seeking to “cure” an non-existent problem would have been typical of those movements, from biodynamic agriculture to eugenics.
“Dr. Green’s new health deal”
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/35984/
Gaea P.(for planet) Earth, an elite athlete in her early 20’s preparing to compete in the decathlon next year, goes for an annual doctors exam with her physician, Dr. AOC Green.
Gaea, is in the office when Dr. Green enters the room.
Dr. Green: Your body is dying. Your heart is giving out. You need a heart transplant within 12 years or you will be dead.
Gaea: How can this be? I never felt better. My performance in every event has been improving the past year. I rarely get sick. What could possibly have caused this?
Dr. Green: It’s all those supplements that you are feeding your body. They are toxic/poisonous. They have destroyed your heart. You must cut them out completely too or they will kill your entire body. You must consume nothing but green, leafy vegetables to provide your body with the energy and nutrients that it needs and do it now or you will be dead soon.
Gaea: Aren’t you at least going to do some tests to have empirical data to base all this on?
Dr. Green: I don’t need to run tests. I am am authority. All the other doctors know that I’m an authority. I am certified by The American Medical Association. The evidence is obvious. You had the flu 2 years ago and earlier this year, you had a cold. This is not natural. It could only have been caused by your terminal condition. My simulated model of your outcome, extrapolates this to exponentially accelerate and result in death soon.
Gaea: Don’t you think that I should at least go to a cardiologist to get a 2nd opinion?
Dr. Green: Absolutely not. I will not tolerate a patient with views like this. My diagnosis is settled. The debate is over. Your are a denier!
Gaea: What is your viable plan to make this happen? Don’t I have to get on a heart transplant list. Don’t I need evidence to show that my heart is failing?
Dr. Green: I’m the doctor, you’re the patient. Don’t question me. I say that your heart only has 12 years left in it…………exactly 12 years I tell you and those toxic nutrients that you are putting into your body are killing you. You must do everything that I tell you right now or you will be dead soon.
Gaea: Yes Dr. Green. I will do exactly as you say because I believe everything that you say. I want to be around long enough to see the newly elected socialist president that I strongly support, finish out their 2nd term in office.
I have spent many hours reading hundreds of respected journals on this subject and there is no doubt in my mind that we can reverse climate change and save the world if we start feeding the cows avocado toast.
Whatever the reasons at the time for going to the moon it was an important step in the long term survival of our species. Sooner or later we are going to get hit with another big rock. It would be in our best interests to put our eggs in more than one basket. ie colonies on other planets, moons, asteroids etc. Loose one, the species survives.
A bunch of losers take easy degrees while in college, then when they graduate and find out that the big money is going to those who actually studied while in college.
They decide that the fault must lie in the system, since it couldn’t possibly lie in themselves, therefore the system is broken and they must fix it so that they can finally start receiving the salaries they have convinced themselves they are entitled to.
The New Green Deal is more analogous to Mao’s Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution combined, and will have the same results – untold millions dead, economies shattered, untold millions impoverished.
Everyone who wants the “NGD” get in line and we’ll gladly send you to the moon where you can do whatever you want for an economy. I will personally send money for this cause!
Pondering upon the Green New Deal one has to ask what the output would have been had the Good Samaritan been as skint and destitute as the unfortunate traveller.
Since before landing on the moon we started the Great Society under LBJ. Trillions later we went from 10% impoverished to perhaps 15%. After more than 50 years and dumping trillions and trillions into a back hole that does little than to fund an ever growing bureaucracy. That bureaucracy is insane wasting more and more money it claims it needs while its results would be better having done nothing and let everyone figure it out for them selves.
49 years ago we started the original GND, Earth Day. Doom and gloom that was five years from catastrophe that got put to ten years out then 20 and now longer as each “tipping point” was passed and…no doom and gloom! The earth should have starved to death back in 1975, 1980 at the latest as Dr. Paul Erlich predicted. Well he’s still on the payroll telling us now that the end is 50 years away instead of just five like he told us 49 years ago…
Remember, until the leaders walk their talk, they are just blowing smoke…
The Green New Deal has to be one of the stupidest pieces of legislation I have ever heard of; and I refuse to read the full details of what the deal is about to avoid being mentally scarred; but from what I can piece together it calls for 100% carbon neutrality. Basically by that, they want to ban things like lawn mowers and motorized garden tools, barbeques, fire places, gas stoves, generators, motorcycles, cars, pickup trucks, buses (including school buses), emergency vehicles (I: E: ambulances, fire engines,) vans, construction equipment, fixed wing aircraft, helicopters, trains, boats, crematoriums, waste incinerators, heating plants, iron-ore smelters, steel foundries, candy factories, basically any man-made object that emits Co2.
You have to ask yourself, are these disco sticks mad in the head or something? Do they realize how society would collapse if they had to do away with these conveniences? Of course, they are too stupid to realize that they have to abide by the Green New Deal too, and this would make it virtually impossible to carry any of their stupid schemes that the GND is supposed to try and help them achieve.