Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Pope Francis has demanded governments of the world punish the poor with regressive carbon pricing, to prevent an allegedly imminent anthropogenic climate catastrophe.
Pope to oil execs: We don’t ‘have the luxury’ to wait to fight climate change
Inés San MartínJun 14, 2019
ROME – Speaking to oil company executives, Pope Francis on Friday said that climate change “threatens the very future” of humanity, adding that the “doomsday predictions” can no longer be met with disdain.
“Time is running out!” Francis said. “Deliberations must go beyond mere exploration of what can be done, and concentrate on what needs to be done. We do not have the luxury of waiting for others to step forward, or of prioritizing short-term economic benefits.”
“The climate crisis requires our decisive action, here and now and the Church is fully committed to playing her part,” he said.
…“Such a transition involves managing the social and employment impact of the move to a low-carbon society,” Francis said. “If managed well, this transition can generate new jobs, reduce inequality and improve the quality of life for those affected by climate change.”
On carbon pricing, the pontiff said that humanity is called to use natural resources “wisely,” and their use can only be considered ethical when the economic and social costs of using them are transparently acknowledged and “are fully borne by those who incur them, rather than by other people or future generations.”
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Read more: https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2019/06/14/pope-to-oil-execs-we-dont-have-the-luxury-to-wait-to-fight-climate-change/
The evidence that cheap energy creates more economic opportunity than renewable energy is overwhelming.
Compare the moribund economic performance of Europe with the ongoing explosion of wealth and opportunity in the USA. While I am not denying the value of other Trump policies, there is no doubt that a significant factor in the ongoing boom in the USA is the shale gas revolution which started under President Obama, and President Trump’s efforts to keep it going, Trump’s efforts to eliminate regulatory obstacles to cheaper energy.
If a “managed” transition to renewables actually was a national economic opportunity, there would be no need for carbon taxes or other interventions, people would embrace renewables of their own free will. Renewable Europe would be the global economic leader, not the USA.
That “short term economic opportunity” his holiness sneered at has transformed lives. People in the USA who would otherwise have only known grinding poverty and want now have jobs, they now have real hope for a better future, better access to healthcare, and better educational opportunities for their kids. When oil, gas and coal finally run their course, decades or more likely centuries from now, the good all that “short term” money has done will remain.
Pope Francis’ profound economic, political and scientific ignorance on climate issues, and his apparent contempt for economic opportunities, short term or not, in my opinion has real potential to cause harm. For shame, Pope Francis.
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Eric
“People in the USA who would otherwise have only known grinding poverty and {want} now have jobs”
Unwanted “want” ? (Forgot how X things out..lol)
Want (noun)
Something wanted or needed; necessity.
Something desired, demanded, or required:
Absence or deficiency of something desirable or requisite;
Lack (plants dying for want of rain.)
His holy Popiness “wants” to take care of saving souls rather than “saving the planet”.
This guy may shed some light on the matter!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q2HSJ6cbMY&t=31s
Cheers
Roger
His church has a long history of punishing the poor & enriching the few…
so no change in policy.
I’d like to make a deal with everyone on the left – I’ll accept what this Pope says about Global Warming, if they’ll accept everything the Roman Catholic Church teaches about abortion and gay marriage. How about it – deal???
Totally agree
“Let’s do to the economy what we’ve been doing to boys all along.”
Ouch!
Ouch! But funny.
Why is it funny? I don’t think that abusing people can ever be seen in that way. But, just as a matter of interst, who are ‘they’? Are you trying to suggest that the entire Cathoic Church is guilty of abuse? I might as well say that all men are guilty of abuse just because some men have committed abuse. How about showing a sense of proportion. Ah, but that would require a lack of prejudice and that wouldn’t be much fun would it?
The church is guilty not because all of them are child molesters but because they knew about it and covered it up.
Again all of them? I thought this blog was about fighting easy and simplistic statements through being accurate and with well supported evidence. not using any excuse to start endless and pointless offtopic discussions about religion and football topics…
++++++ yup
lol, very good indeed
Bergoglio is very much into Liberation Theology, and is apparently accepting the watermelon part of being a leftist.
The Pope has a LOT in common with Obama’s spiritual leader … you know … Jeremiah “gawd-damnnnn America” Wright.
I wager he’s driven out more souls from the RCC than he’s attracted. The worst part is that the women-led protestant wanna-be-catholics are largely onboard with it. An angry God is popular with more of the clergy these days. We’ll only hear about grace and mercy after the flock has been properly put back in its place.
Women took a full part in Christian clergy until the medieval elites hit upon using the Church as a useful place to park spare sons. Enforced abstinence from sex meant that the family inheritance would be secure without conflicting claims from descendants, as bastards had no right of inheritance. The Celtic church in Ireland certainly had women ordained as priests until the Normans took over the country and enforced the feudal system
Kevin Lohse that is total nonsense. Try not reading the stupid progressive Catholic propaganda, because it is always false.
“The Celtic church in Ireland certainly had women ordained as priests until the Normans took over the country and enforced the feudal system.”
It’s not that simple, Kevin –
it was a secular roman emperor that forced Europe into Christianity:
https://www.google.com/search?q=roman+emperor+under+this+sign+you+will+win&oq=roman+emperor+under+this+sign+you+will+wi&aqs=chrome.
And the fight between secular regents and religious leaders as the fights between different religious beliefs lasted for centuries.
https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-huawei&ei=46oGXYykCLGsrgSZua3QAw&q=different+religious+beliefs&oq=different+religious+beliefs&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.
Johann – I am curious. Are all Watts Up readers so pathetically ignorant of what really happened in religious history? Or is this the crap that all millenials have “learned”?
Peter, most people don’t do “inside baseball” on religious matters (or any matters for that matter 😉).
Who ever thought that leading a massive global church that became fabulously wealthy through threats of spiritual harm and the selling of salvation would have made one such an eloquent spokesperson for the global warming scam.
Why not? First of all, he’d have to believe in God and I so rarely hear him mention God I have real doubts. Second, the global warming scam fits right in with being super rich and privileged while supporting the idea of poverty and despair for the masses. After all, how else can the rich stay rich? Now, as a “Christian” church leader, he’s a massive failure. But I can’t see there’s any evidence that was why he was put in the position he is. There were other motives and none were Christian.
Monks, priests and nuns often took vows of poverty, so the idea that poverty is a virtue was already out there. It’s now being expanded to the entire globe, not just those who voluntarily give up wealth to serve God. It’s going to be mandatory, which is also very un-Christian.
Now Andy Patullo joins the mindless church bashing, reminiscent of the worship of not knowing anything at all, but being very proud of your ignorance. I thought Watts Up readers were people that generally knew what they are talking about, but it seems when it comes to religion, they are all about the level of kindergartners. And I say this as someone who thinks Pope Francis’s mindless babble about global warming shows him to be an idiot.
That comparison is insulting to idiots. The word you want is ignoramus.
Peter GM
Ok, knock off the holier-than-thou stuff. Based upon demonstrated behavior, it’s not like Catholic priesthood & their enablers are doing a bang-up (no pun intended) job of winning the public trust.
Besides snide ad hominems, what EXACTLY was it in Andy Patullo’s 36-word comment that you consider inaccurate?
ps: a real good first step to combating “mindless church bashing” would be to stop priests & enablers from sexually abusing parishioners’ kids, followed by throwing the offending bastards into jail.
Okay, Javert, you like facts and evidence. That’s all to be commeneded. But perhaps it might work the other way round. Perhaps you might like to provide some statistics which show that the extent of sexual abuse within ther Catholic Church is as great today as it was in the 1980s and 1990s. Have a look, for example, at all the investigations carried out by the legal authorities in the USA. The authorities bemoan the fact that most of the cases they uncover are incapable of being prosectited because they took place so long ago. It’s like the recent attempt to convict Cardinal Pell of sexual abuse. The incidents which are suposed to have taken place were all in the 1990s. Sexual abuse within the Catholic Church is far less of a problem today than it is in many other areas of life. eg. The public schools in the USA. The basic problemn is that the people who criticise the Catholic Church are really interested in the abuse; they are more interested in using it to bash the Catholic Church.
yeah;-) especially one that if it had full rein would have had every woman producing a child a year till she died, regardless of the ability to feed clothe educate or manage shelter for them
crap like this from people like him is why religions are so damned UNattractive to the less gullible/those not raised in the “faith”
1. Interesting bit of religion there, Sparky.
2. Could you perhaps explain in quantifiable measure how time is actually up?
3. It’s not energy executives who are driving the need for coal, oil and gas.
4. So, poverty’s a good thing, then?
#4
Poverty builds character 🔥
Poverty
buildskills all characters it hits. Slowly, painfully, and in ugly ways. And the most immoral poverty is that imposed BY the government ONTO the people, for purposes of the government’s power, money, and control. Yes, this pope is an immoral socialist with no conscious, no soul.Let’s give him the benefit of the doubt and just say: ‘no brains’.
I don’t think we can actually do that any more. He has shown a complete lack of character and belief in God and the church. I don’t think it’s lack of brains. Just can’t see it.
He makes Rodrigo Borgia (Alexander VI) look competent and restrained by comparison.
Controlling CO2 emissions is strictly a Western European and North American cult. Eastern Europe, Asia, Latin America, and Africa could not care less about controlling their CO2 emissions.
This statement might be in the tradition of the Catholic Church. It grew in part by adopting some of the customs and beliefs of the people that they converted to the Catholic faith. Mabye the Pope is trying to win back people who left the faith and embraced nature worship. Or, maybe the Pope is a jerk.
” … their use can only be considered ethical when the economic and social costs of using them are transparently acknowledged … ”
How and by who?
To quote a well know political leader, “How many divisions does the Pope have?”
JP2 had more effective ones than Gorbachev or Jaruzelski
Why would the Pope ever demand that people get driven to the State to solve worldly problems? What is the message? Don’t pray, vote Democrat? Empower the State and Party that is doing everything possible to destroy the Church? News Flash, Jesus was protesting what were effectively taxes when he went on a rampage at the Temple, and he was eventually crucified by the corrupt Church Leaders who were aligned with the Roman State.
…the man’s an embarrassment…and a total senile communist nut
^ my opinion
Many Roman Catholics would agree. This probability is discussed here: https://youtu.be/eHb0lUF_dLk
I grew up Catholic. I left the faith because it’s authoritarian tendencies and lack of focus on genuine spirituality. It is saturated with dark occult symbolism and dark ritual sacrifices with the elite members. To deny this is to lie to oneself. There is a copious amount of information from people exposing such acts.
Masonic symbolism all throughout the Vatican. Same goes for the Temple of LDS in salt lake City. They mix ancient Babylonian mystery traditions with Judeo Christian values, and hide it from their constituent’s in plain sight, since they are mostly the unthinking, “unwashed masses”.
There is very little to do with God in that agency.
It’s all about power. Imagine the conceit of a man who claims to be the intercessor for humanity to God. It’s pure psychopathia. Minimum, it’s sociopathy. But it’s actually a seriously big con. They all know damn well none of it’s real, just pedophile politicians in fancy robes.
I would agree with your opinion, but I’m more inclined to call that an apt description.
Well Matthew, you are obviously a conspiracy nut, who thinks the freemasons rule the world. Oi vay.
The not holy catholic church.
Milo: Forbidden Conversation
(Jordan B Peterson)
https://youtu.be/FHpvI8oGsuQ
min 1,15:00
In 2009, Prince Charles said we had 8 years to save the planet. Pauchuri of IPPC said in 2007 that if no action was taken before 2012, it was too late to save the planet. So that’s why we have disdain for doomsday predictions, Mr. Pontiff. Think of those 2000 year old ones in Revelations…
The 2000 year old ones had no date applied to them. If you’re not smart enough to see the difference…..
Also, Revelation is NOT a doomsday prediction but a statement about how the world will end. It’s not doomsday, it’s the natural end. I suppose if telling someone they will die one day is a doomsday prediction, you might call Revelation one. Otherwise, no. (I know this is often sold as doomsday, but that is as incorrect at the doomsday cult of CAGW. Misinterpretation of something does not make that version so.)
Sounds like AOC is catching up on her reading but forgot to check the publishing dates.
Franky is a climate scientist of course. I mean, he believes in climate science which is the same thing … isn’t it?
His alarmist words mark him as a member of the Climatism religion, so he is definitely a Climatist. With a Capital C.
Strange isn’t it that when anyone speaks in favour of global warming their lack of relevant education, training or experience is ignored. Put forward a good case against it without any of their approved background and you are dismissed with ad hominem abuse and ignored.
Not here.
I always ask for advice about science from of the most superstitious
of people.
Ye, CO2 tis possessed by a demon that shall be cast out. So sayeth the Lord.
But first we need the Holy Hand-Grenade of Antioch…
it’s not like francis is doing any thinking for himself. what a disaster this pope is.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/28/pope-climate-change-naomi-klein
Time for oil executives to give their opinion on catholic liturgy…
I’ve always believed Chevron were infallible!
TomRude,
the oil execs will lap this holy bovine faeces up and ask nicely for seconds.
Gullible warming hysteria is a huge business opportunity (regardless of what the moonbats in the green blob or the useful idiots in the lame streammedia repetatively claim about sceptics being in the pocket of big oil).
Simply, they know unreliable energy boondoggles have a snowball’s chance in hell of powering the world, so in the real world, EUssr energy policy becomes reliant on gas in lieu of coal (why compete with coal with a more expensive energy product, when a bit of lobbying could just make it go away?). It would be the same the USA takes a step back to the left and commits to a green new deal. Of course, notwithstanding the engineering realities that they fully understand, today’s oil companies are falling over themselves to erect some birdmincing virtue signals and splash picturesof them all over their webapages to keep Saint Greta’s sheeple placated and show how much they care, but indulging in a spot of subsidy mining now and then means some government money for nothing plus some green washing of the real business and the PC PR is a good return on a relatively minor budget distraction.
After a few years racing to show a public commitment to whirly gigs (yesterday’s technology tomorrow) what’s coming now is the CCS scam. It’s been low key so far because it wouldn’t be ‘right’ to be seen competing with one’s unreliables ‘business’ while it’s been growing roots into public policy and purse. But now the push is on to urinate an awful lot of OPM (let’s call it ‘public/government support’) up a wall to create the infrastructure, indeed the whole new ‘business’, of sucking thin air out of industrial chimneys, shipping it somewhere and pumping it underground – and the ‘business case’ here is utterly dependant on this ‘carbon price’ they’re all in Rome to hear about. Without a ruinous ‘carbon price’, why on earth would anyone deliberately lose money paying someone from an oil company to take their captured thin air away? You can get a whole lot more visual virtue signalling for far less ‘investment’ than agreeing to play CCS. But if CO2 is exorbitantly ‘priced’ then CCS,provided it is slightly less of awasteofmoney than paying the carbon price/tax, could become a new lucrative industry, albeit nothing more than a pointless parasite industry. And that would be bad enough, but this parasite industry is one which you the tax payer will pay to build from scratch and then you the consumer will pay to keep running profitably. Money for nothing and your chicks for free.
The next step after the CCS cancer takes hold of western energy policy is of course is convincing everyone to take their natural gas, throw away half the energy value of it, triple or quadrupple the price of the commodity and sell you explosive hydrogen instead of gas. And aside from producing more gas and then selling its derivative for more money, a hydrogen economy keeps the CCS boondoggle running lucratively. So if the world really did collectively loose its marbles and go ‘carbon neutral’, then it’s how oil executives keep their natural gas businesses goingin the brave new green world. Watch the UK lead the way off this cliff by the look of things; the EUssr will have gone broke and imploded before this nonsense takes hold I suspect.
…So oil executive’s opinion on catholic liturgy will be a resounding “GO TEAM!” because it’s great for the bottom line, even if that seems counter-intuitive.
Last week he was anti-poverty. This week he’s pro-poverty. It’s like the weather.
Grew up catholic but am agnostic today. This PAPA can shove it. Idiot leftist pig.
Certainly he does not believe in a God who could prevent it’s finest creation from being destroyed.
Another embarrassing issue for the Catholic Church.
The last great blunder was threatening Galileo for his observations that there were moons rotating around Jupiter.
At the time, the Vatican insisted that all heavenly bodies rotated around the Earth.
It did confirm Copernicus.
Perhaps the Vatican should retroactively condemn Galileo.
The Cadaver Synod, which is also called the Cadaver Trail took place in 897.
The body of a previous Pope who had been dead for almost a year was dug up and dressed in the complete finery of office. Put in chair and tried for heresy.
When authoritarian politics becomes hysterical anything is possible.
Oops.
That should be “Cadaver Trial”.
Was he defended by a Mason?
(Perry)
Bob,
Historical Summary of your post-
Galileo- Geocentrism-Pope Urban VIII.
Richard Lindzen- Climatism- Pope Francis I.
( Apologies to Professor Richard Lindzen for appropriating his name as représentative of many sceptical scientists, as Galileo was representative of Copernicus,Kepler and others advocating Heliocentrism).
Pope Francis must believe in miracles if he thinks CO2 is the planetary driver of climate. He would be far better off to advocate for the cleaning up of raw pollution in the third world like dirty coal plant particle pollution, and ensuring the hundreds of millions ICE engines have effective basic pollution control equipment so that masses aren’t choking on noxious fumes. Real pollution of all kinds is really killing a lot of people and making their lives shorter with sickness. We have fixed a lot of basic pollution in the West, but anyone who has travelled to the third world will realize how bad the basic pollution has become.
Let’s fix what we got first before we price fossil fuels out of the market with carbon taxes and make things even worse. There isn’t any effective wholesale replacement yet for our energy requirements such as what FF’s provide so ensuring things are as clean as possible with FF’s would be a much better future outcome. Future climate woes from CO2 are only speculative while we know with 100% certainty that real pollution is a killer which we have somewhat curtailed in the West. After all, this is really what this is about, given that the world has mistaken ‘carbon’ pollution of a trace invisible inert GHG gas for real actual pollution that actually lowers and ends quality of life on a measurable basis over a vast area of the good Earth.
This is a direct message to the Pope from a very dissatisfied catholic …
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge; because you have rejected knowledge, I reject you from being a priest to me. And since you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children.
This person standing as the Pope offers no knowledge, no understanding, so he condemns the poor and the less well off to shortened lives of penury where they are prey to the rich and powerful. Has Yeshua’s church been so corrupted as to now actively seek the pillaging of the poor by the politically powerful?
it was always a scam. As all religion are. Spirituality and religion are two completely different thing
Shouldn’t the pope be talking to his god, not oil executives, about solving the problem? After all, it is supposed to be his creation which he obviously screwed up.
Didn’t his creation produce oil in the first place?
Probably should be talking to his priests about child safety but lets face it this is all deflection to try and put out positive spin for the church.
Yeah, next time he is on a intercontinental flight, he should demonstrate his faith by asking the pilot to dump all of the fuel in mid-flight. Then he can know whether it is possible to survive without fossil fuels.