From The Daily Caller
Michael Bastasch | Energy Editor
Bill Nye “the Science Guy” has another global warming prediction — Americans will have to grow their food in Canada if nothing is done to limit temperature rise.
“The agriculture in North America is going to have to move north into what would nominally be Canada and we don’t have the infrastructure,” Nye told MSNBC host Chris Matthews Tuesday night.
“We don’t have the railroads and roads to get food from that area to where we need it around the world,” Nye warned.
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Bill Nye says global warming will mean America needs to grow its crops in Canada:
"The agriculture is going to have to move north into what would normally be Canada and we don't have the infrastructure, the roads and railroads to get food from that area to where we need it." pic.twitter.com/aoazDTHu9N
— Tom Elliott (@tomselliott) January 30, 2019
Nye made his remarks as freezing temperatures descended over much of Canada and the U.S., bringing below-zero temperatures across the Midwest and Great Plains. When wind chill is factored in, it really feels like -53 degrees Fahrenheit to Minnesota residents.
It's officially really, really, really cold in Minnesota. #PolarVortex 🥶 pic.twitter.com/z6RgL4GNI5
— KARE 11 (@kare11) January 30, 2019
In Chicago, the temperature hit -22 degrees Wednesday morning, with a wind chill of -47 degrees. Officials are warning residents to stay indoors and avoid the dangerous cold.
Television personality Bill Nye poses at the 2017 Creative Arts Emmy Awards in Los Angeles, California, U.S. September 9, 2017. REUTERS/Danny Moloshok
More than 220 million Americans are experiencing below-freezing temperatures across the lower-48 states, according to meteorologist Ryan Maue. About 26 million people are living with temperatures at or below -20 degrees.
https://twitter.com/RyanMaue/status/1090604823962181640
Nye also told Matthews rural Americans have been “hoodwinked” into believing getting rid of fossil fuels would hurt the economy.
“I claim that the people in rural areas are affected perhaps even more than people in urban areas, and they’ve been hoodwinked,” Nye said. “They’ve been led astray by this group of like-minded people who feel that the economic effects of getting away from fossil fuels are going to be catastrophic, but that is just simply not true.”
However, coal and natural gas are providing roughly 80 percent of the electricity needed to keep the power and heat on in the Midwest, according to the Midcontinent Independent System Operator that manages the grid.
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In comedy and politics, timing is everything.
Let’s put Bill Ney in a Little House on the Tundra and let him live off the crops he grows and stay warm at -30C using 20% of the needed energy. He can talk to us in ten years about how we have been hoodwinked.
-19C this morning in the balmy Connecticut rain forest.
Nye in a warming world, say the Hudson Bay, for a year, growing his crops there. I”ll offer the seed potatoes.
PS. I’ll also provide the shots to the polar bear self-defence tool of his choice.
He could share it in youtube to improve the public recognition of the issue. Most people don’t know how much it has warmed there.
But there will not be any bears.
No bears because they froze to death on the way to the Beer Store…D’OH !
-23F overnight; -22F at 05:30AM in NE Illinois. We’re not dead yet and the morning constellation of Venus -> Moon->Jupiter is spectacular.
I will put out high-calorie birdfood in about 2 hours. Lots of field sparrows, juncos, house (English) sparrows, tree sparrows yesterday. Hungry little things. Birdfood is on sale at Ace Hdw on a twofer. I’ll go back next week.
And Mr. Nye is way out of his depth in making predictions. He must be desperate for attention AGAIN!
OK, this isn’t funny anymore…..When it’s too cold and miserable to go get a Timmie’s, life sucks….I knew I should have stayed in Florida but Alley Goree promised me that Canada was going to be a tropical paradise …Now i’m stuck with 800 acres of frozen trees and a bunch of Ligmite mines surrounded by a bunch of puddles full of stoopid Walleye!…sheeeeesh ! : ]
“-23F overnight; -22F at 05:30AM in NE Illinois. ”
Oh, so you are the warm area…. ; )
Yes. This is why all the birds come to my house, and the local squirrels. They know where the good stuff is located. 🙂
He’s right – up here in Canada we have no infrastructure. All that wheat we grow is brought to market in covered wagons, and since we haven’t invented the wheel yet we have to drag those wagons along rough dirt tracks by mule train. Americans should be so thankful they have the benefit of Bill Nye’s insightful commentary to guide them on the road to socio-economic suicide.
“Ice Road Conestogas”?
Sounds like the next “The Storm Channel” show!
Andy Pattullo, you forgot to mention that we also live in Igloos here in Canada. We are a very hardy people!
Rich,
I like your idea, but since Bill Nye is a “Science Guy” lets set him up with an important experiment.
Put him in southern Greenland and give him some barley and early Iron Age technology. No sea hunting for him, because he does not come from sturdy Viking stock.
Does anybody really think there has been enough “unprecedented” warming for him to survive in those conditions?
Good comments:
There is nothing wrong with growing crops in Canada, but we are limited on what different crops will effectively grow there. Mr Nye continues to show his ignorance on Climate and Climate Change and Global Warming. Climate Changes all of the time based on the designs of mother nature. The Globe warms and cools all of the time with our sun and oceans being the main control knobs. CO2 is a very low volume (410 ppm) GHG that is the fertilizer of life.
The rural temperature record of the last 100 years shows virtually no significant temperature increase, with the only “implied” increases coming from the “adjusted” temperature data that did not need to be adjusted. Do we think that Mr. Nye every looks at the “unmanipulated” data?
Hey Bill, I’m a Canadian. Just walk in. Don’t bother ringing!
My close relative from Toronto who spends every winter in Fort Lauderdale, has just put an offer on 10 hectares in Yellow Knife to build banana plantation.
I’ve already started my Pineapple trees in Iron Bridge area, (way way North of Toronto) right next to my Avocado field…Just look for the big white patch on Google maps..you can’t miss it.. LOL
We Canadians are going to need a wall at our southern border!
Ice Wall ?
Yes because Winter is Coming
Actually, I think the last book has been canceled..
With Trdeau’s insane immigration policies, I suspect you’ll get your southern neighbors to help you build it!
Didn’t you know? The wall on Canada’s side has been completed.
https://oddstuffmagazine.com/funny-pictures-february-12-2017.html/the-wall-on-canadas-side
When the Americans get hungry enough,
they’ll come to the new 15 foot walls,
between the US and Canada,
with 16 foot ladders,
and climb over the walls,
to steal Canadian food.
I thought ladders were what the razor wire, second fence, land mines, and auto firing machine gut turrets, were for?
We really need to get that edit button back on line here.
Has Trudeau Destroyed Canada’s Resource Future? – Rex Murphy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_toqPJpyeGw&app=desktop
Rex Murphy of Newfoundland is a national treasure. He speaks common sense with reason and passion.
Rex said: “We mis-value the things that count” and he is correct – Canada is on the road to becoming another starving Venezuela due to leftist government lunacy – and it is the same road that the Progressive Democrats want to take the USA.
I wrote the following in 2018:
Here is how modern politics works:
The far-left is winning, especially in the developing world – over half the countries in the world are pseudo-Marxist dictatorships, based on their leftist phony rhetoric, but are actually just military dictatorships, run for the ruling elite and their armed thugs – see Zimbabwe and Venezuela… and North Korea, Cuba, the Soviet Union countries and many more..
The left gains political power by promising imbeciles lots of free stuff. Then they destroy the economy, create widespread poverty and live like kings atop a ruined state – because you can’t be kings without lots of peasants. Venezuela and Zimbabwe used to be wealthy countries – look at them now. Look at North Korea vs South Korea. Compare Cuba to neighboring island nations.
It is really no different in the developed world. Get elected by lazy greedy imbeciles, destroy the economy with fake green energy and other crazy policies, and live like kings on top of a ruined economy, looking down on all the peasants.
The anti-pipeline thugs have cost Canada over $120 billion to date in lost oil revenues. Nobody is that stupid, including Justin and his advisors – they are deliberately harming our economy. The destruction of Canada’s economy by the far left is no accident – this is their plan.
I wish WUWT had a like button…10,000 likes anyhoo…..
Even if you read nothing else, read Rex Murphy. One of the best BS detectors on the planet.
This is both “sick” comedy and politics combined, to wit:
What the ell does “railroads and roads” have to do with transporting food products from US and Canada to other countries around the world? Building a few bridges across the Bering Strait from Alaska to Russia would solve Nye’s delusional/insanity problem.
But not completely, to wit:
“HA”, …. I assume Nye is actually claiming that “green energy” can exclusively be used for transporting all food products within the boundaries of the US and Canada, as well as from the US and Canada to all other parts of the world.
Me thinks the food would spoil and/or people would be starving to death waiting for those electrically powered “green ” cars, trucks, trains and boats to arrive with their food orders
I had trouble with “… what would nominally be Canada …”. Why wouldn’t it just be Canada, just like it is now?
Maybe he’s expecting the US to annex it. Turn it into Northern Montana.
In the tweet it says ‘normally’ Canada. Still ominous. If I was one of those conspiracy guys it sounds like there is a plan underway to create a new star on the flag.
Yes, I also noticed that discrepancy. I would say that in the video clip he says’ nominally’. As to why he pu in the word ‘nominally’, perhaps it’s all part and parcel of the Greater Movement for Word Government. Once this is successful, every country will become ‘nominally’ as , in reality, there won’t any longer be separate countries.
Nominally and normally mean the same thing in this context.
But neither make any sense whatsoever.
And how long does it take to build and/or widen roads?
How soon is he predicted the US will be unable to grow food?
Is he aware that the US spans 10 or more growing zones?
And in places like CA and FL we can grow multiple crops in a year, because it is…wait for it…really hot?
This guy beclowns himself every time he flaps his jaws.
If we had anything like a same person in the MSM, this jackass would be a laughing stock.
As far as I can tell, the only thing he is an expert at, is exaggerating even the laughable claims of warmista “scientists”.
He must be right. I saw a flock of geese heading north yesterday.
You sure it wasn’t a flock of cows heading north via a round trip to the moon?
The “best” thing about being a leftist,
is that stupid head leftists
can get a lot of attention!
Such as Bill Nye, and AOC !
For the subject of climate science,
all you have to do is ignore the science,
and make a scary prediction of climate doom,
to enter the three-decade old
“climate change campfire story contest”,
where the fairy tales are 100%
… 100% wrong.
I believe in real climate science, but
want to get more attention from leftists,
so I’m working on a fairy tale, er, study,
where climate change causes man’s
favorite organ to shrink —
I’m sure that will get published
… unless someone beat me to it !
My climate science blog,
for sensible people who
don’t care about wild guess
predictions of a coming
climate catastrophe …
except to refute them:
http://www.elOnionBloggle.Blogspot.com
Think I messed up some of my tags, but you get the gist.
One day we have Occasional Alexandra’s the end of the world and next day Bill Nye said Canada will turn into tropical paradise.
I wonder what are these people smoking before breakfast?
Canadian pineapple!
I no more need a TV host’s expertise on agriculture than a fish needs a bicycle.
It’s a good day for Bill Nye to demonstrate “climate change” by licking a railroad track. 😉
Damn, I wish there was a “like” button. 🙂
WooHoo , I’m gonna be rich ! I knew my grampa had a good idea when he bought all that frozen 800 acres of tundra just north of Sudbury, Ontario instead of paying for my university..Now I can sell all my prefrozen peas,carrots,taters,tomatoes and kiwi fruit to the brainless masses…. D’OH !
As a person south of the border, isn’t Sudbury a big mining area? Studied geology a long time ago, but forgot most of it.
In a few years, Bill Nye will be getting all his frozen vegetables from Canada.
+10 … beat me to it
Dang permanent moderation sucks…lol
I was browsing videos on YouTube some while back and stumbled on one labelled “10 people who claim to be experts but are not”, or something like that, and guess who was at the top of the list? Bill Nye. He’s not a climate expert. Gosh! Shock! Horror! I had a bit of a laugh about that.
I stopped watching after the presenter misrepresented Trump’s bankruptcies (e.g. the relative number against how many businesses he had an interest in), and completely ignored Trump’s successes. If he was being so one-sided about that, he was possibly leaving out buckets of other details.
And Nye is totally ignorant about agriculture as well as weather/climate. I love how he casually says that the US will move farming operations north into what would normally be Canada…any thoughts about what the Normal Canadians think about that little bit of aggression?
Help your self to anything north of the 60th parallel. There aren’t any more Polar Bears left and you shouldn’t have any problems with your tractors and combines on the tundra.
Well, he said “nominally” Canada, not “normally.” Nominal means “in name only,” so I guess the US is going to invade so we can grow more wheat to ship around the world.
In engineering, nominally means normally.
In other contexts, it has other definitions: Nominal can mean “in name only” and similar usage; to refer to the name of something; insignificantly small or trifling; normal or as specified; not adjusted to inflation; relating to a noun; and a few others.
None make sense as used in the sentence from Nye.
Of course “nominally” makes sense. Once the UN has implemented their climate agenda (with the complicit help of the Democrats), ALL countries will only exist nominally (i.e. in name only).
The only thing Nye is an expert in is self promotion.
Because everyone knows food can’t be grown at the equator…
Indeed. And everyone knows Greenland is called green because the Vikings thought they could farm there.
Well, Nye is not exactly Viking.
Well, they could, at the time.
Why is he called the “Science Guy”? What “science” is he talking about?
Bill Nye’s only earned degree is in Mechanical Engineering.
So he knows how to screw up things.
Apparently he once ran a TV show about science for easily impressionable American children.
Mr. Wizard actually introduced children into science.
Bill Nye’s intro was more along the lines of “Wham, Bang, Thank you, Ma’am!” science.
Lots of flash and confusion. Not coherent.
In the morning, you’re sure not what happened but you’re left with with the feeling he won’t be around in 9 months.
He failed at engineering which was his education, tried stand up comedy. I guess someone thought he must have taken a few science courses in engineering school + entertainment background = good enough to fake it as a scientist on a tv show for kids.
Frosted conflakes! Yum!
It once was a pleasure to watch Bill Nye.
but these days have long gone by.
Too young to remember Mr. Wizard?
Yep. But just a little bit.
Bill Nye, the bow tie makes me look like the Science Guy, needs to think about some basics. The circum-polar earth is 40,000 kilometers, so 10,000 kilometers equator to pole. If equator averages 30C and pole -30C we get a change of 60C, or 166 kilometers per degree C change. Sure there are other factors, one of them being increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere makes plants more tolerant, but the basics of large-scale shifting of growing zones is not a worry, in above calculation farmers wouldn’t move 166 kilometers to adapt, they simply plant a little earlier or later. We live in an Ice Age, and wait until the next glacial event kicks in, then we will see farmers moving.
The guy is certifiable.
He’ll never make it for ISO9000.
He wouldn’t be able to climb over the mountain of waster paper he’s produced trying to assure us that CO2 driven CAGW is a sellable product!!
To digress slightly, see the following:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-47063973
The warmist academics are now saying that the Little Ice Age is solely due to your ancestors! Supposedly the influx of Europeans from the very late 15th Century onwards led to native Indians abandoning cleared agricultural areas which were very soon covered in trees. This supposedly increased CO2 take up, and reduced atmospheric CO2 levels and thus increased the Earth’s heat loss which in turn produced lower temperatures.
There are 101 reasons why this is implausible!
How desperate can you become, simply to prop up your religion!
Yeah because we all know that the Indians, sorry native American/first nations were agricultural societies forced by the invading hunter/gatherers from Europe to convert to the hunter/gathering lifestyle. Once everbody in North America (especially the former Hudson Bay Breadbasket) was huntin’ and gatherin’, there was a gigantic drawdown of CO2, well-known to be the only factor in climate.
Yeah, that’s the ticket!
Well…not exactly correct. The Mesoamerican cultures and even some as far north as central Illinois along the Mississippi valley did have large agricultural civilizations, but those civilizations were already collapsing or collapsed by the time European settlers invaded. The Incan civilization was in political upheaval, but still thriving.
However, I am not aware of any of these instances where vast swaths of agricultural plots were lost to reforestation. I do believe the almost exact happened when the European settlers began habitation of the Ohio river valley with great deforestation. Large virgin forested areas of Minnesota and Wisconsin were clear cut for lumber.
I’d really like to see the data that support their claims.
….This scale of regrowth is figured to have drawn down sufficient CO₂ that the concentration of the gas in the atmosphere eventually fell by 7-10ppm ….
That would’ve made a great impact. Yeah, right. They are totally mad.
And ignores the deforestation that occurred in Europe, which should therefore have led to a significant increase in temperature. So we had a medieval warm period when we had all the forest, then we got rid of it and it got colder…untilw e got rid of some North American cropland and had slow growing forest instead.
It’s like they have never learned how to actually analyse stuff.
Just read the full story – UCL estimate that there were 60 million Native Americans in 1500!
That’s right at the top end of estimates for the whole of the Americas, and really is far higher than estimates before the whole field become heavily politicised. Canada reckons a maximum of 2 million in 1500, but possibly as low as 200,000.
At the low estimates, there is absolutely no way this can possibly be true.
Possibly true. Check out Cahokia Mounds in Illinois. It was a major trading center for much of North America. This population was only possible because the Aztecs had developed Maize and production had spread North.
What people don’t realize is that diseases, particularly smallpox, killed upwards of 90% of the population of the Americas during the 1500’s. Entire nations vanished.
Read “Guns, Germs, and Steel” by Jared Diamond and “The Lost City of the Monkey God” by Douglas Preston.
Or “1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus” by Charles Mann.
Yea, I heard that on the BBC World Service this morning.
I promptly subjected my car radio to some heavy-duty verbal abuse. Which had no influence on the presenters, but warmed the interior of my car a couple of much-needed degrees.
I started to count the ways this was wrong, but ran out of fingers and it’s too cold to take my socks off so I can count on my toes as well.
They say ‘European settlement’ but really mean ‘European diseases’. In those places where Europeans actually settled in large numbers, it would not have led to a net abandonment of land. They also appear to have done their calculation about how much land was abandoned using a whole lot of hand-waving.
It is an interesting hypothesis but requires a lot more analysis and tells us nothing about the present.
Keep raving on Bill, you’re an asset to all sceptics. 97% of the entire population of the world agrees that is garbage
Which is why they can’t give this guy enough prime time. Just keep him away from the after school hours. He scares the chillun”
A severe case of the CO2 virus.
The last time I checked, Canada ALRRADY grows large quantities of grains.
Even if the warming would happen like Bill describes*, it would just mean all agricultural would move a hundred or so miles North… over one hundred years. I think we could manage to build new infrastructure in that time.
*it won’t. Global Warming wouldn’t ‘shift’ temperature zones North. It would widen the temperature zones, with the tropics staying nearly the same and Areas North and South having progressively higher temperature increases, mostly in winter.
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“Bill Nye “the Science Guy” has another global warming prediction — Americans will have to grow their food in Canada if nothing is done to limit temperature rise.
“The agriculture in North America is going to have to move north into what would nominally be Canada and we don’t have the infrastructure,” Nye told MSNBC host Chris Matthews Tuesday night.
“We don’t have the railroads and roads to get food from that area to where we need it around the world,” Nye warned.”
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That’s a good reason to complete the
https://www.google.com/search?q=keystone+xl+pipeline&oq=xxl+pipeline&aqs=chrome.
– not for oil, but to transport food from Canada to the contiguous US.
Oh God. A Poutine Pipeline.
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Ironically, the same gravy and cheese curd that would keep the french fries flowing through such a pipeline would then clog the arteries of anyone eating the poutine.
Even if he was right about needing to grow all future food in Canada (honestly, what a dipstick), then we would just jolly well go ahead and build a few roads and a railway for agricultural infrastructure. That’s what normally happens in civilized places that aren’t ruled by environmental activists and NIMBYs who get to ban anything with a whiff of industrial activity.
There is nothing you can do about natural climate change, except be warned about it ahead of time;
if we can get people to stop putting money in the man made climate nonsense and focus on looking at natural solar cycles, like I am saying:
There is going to be major drought time, on the great plains of north America starting just about this year or maybe next year (Canada will even be worse affected due to its high latitude)
2019-87 = 1932
[Dust Bowl drought 1932-1939]
1932-87 = 1845
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/286971648_Drought_in_the_western_Great_Plains_1845-56_Impacts_and_implications
that drought period was from 1845 until 1856
I think I heard somewhere now about a drought that played out in in Virginia from 1755 onward. True?
Co-incidence?
Or Gleissberg solar cycle? {the GB cycle is calculated by me and others as being about 87 years although it can vary by a few years].
The extra record cold [winters] as predicted by me now have already started. The dry summers are lying ahead.
http://breadonthewater.co.za/henrys-climate/
I hope you come right:
moving south, I would say…!!!
Hello HenryP,
I have no opinion re drought but agree that moderate global cooling is imminent, if not already started.
Regards, Allan
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/10/18/trump-is-right-to-question-climate-change-causes/#comment-2496476
I (we) predicted in an article written 1Sept2002 in the Calgary Herald that naturally-caused global cooling would resume by 2020-2030. I am leaning toward a bit earlier, but this is a complex issue and “The science is NOT settled”.
Depending on the amount of cooling, this could move Canada’s grain-growing region further south, for example making agriculture in the Peace River district uneconomic due to earlier frosts.
Dr. Tim Ball published this article recently, and mentioned the Peace River District, where Alberta Premier Rachel Notley hails from:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/09/02/climate-is-not-the-only-limit-to-agriculture/
“The Peace River country began to open to energy potential, mostly natural gas, in the early 20th century, but agricultural settlement was boosted by the global warming that occurred from 1900 to 1940; a greater warming than occurred after 1980. THE REGION WAS AFFECTED BY THE COOLING AFTER 1940 AND BY THE 1970S WAS STRUGGLING TO MAINTAIN ITSELF. I KNEW SEVERAL FARMERS WHO HOMESTEADED IN THE REGION ONLY TO LOSE THEIR LAND. It is interesting to consider the adaptations made to survive. Beef cattle became a major industry, and some farmers re-introduced bison, but perhaps the most interesting was the production of grass seed. Luckily, the cooling did not continue, and the Peace prospered. It certainly would benefit from global warming, although there is another limit, the soils. THE QUESTION IS WHAT HAPPENS IF WARMING DOES NOT OCCUR AND COOLING RETURNS AS THE BEST CLIMATE EXPERTS EXPECT?”
Hi Allan
Looking at my results, global cooling happening already.
I said this before:
simple physics tells me that as the temperature differential between the poles and equator grows larger due to the cooling from the top, very likely something will also change on earth. Predictably, there would be a small (?) shift of cloud formation and precipitation, more towards the equator, on average. At the equator insolation is 684 W/m2 whereas on average it is 342 W/m2. So, if there are more clouds in and around the equator, this will amplify the cooling effect due to less direct natural insolation of earth (clouds deflect a lot of radiation). Furthermore, in a cooling world there is more likely less moisture in the air, but even assuming equal amounts of water vapor available in the air, a lesser amount of clouds and precipitation will be available for spreading to higher latitudes. So, a natural consequence of global cooling is that at the higher latitudes it will become both cooler (winters) and warmer (drier summers). It is happening already, is it not?
End quote
Would you agree with my reasoning: At the higher latitudes global cooling causes cooler winters [no clouds] and warmer drier summers [no clouds]. Alternatively, at the somewhat lower latitudes where there is precipiatation it will obviously lead to more snow..
All of this happening, is it not? Austria was recently covered in meters of snow. The summer in Holland and Belgium was evry, very dry. The winter in USA seems very harsh…
Hi Henry,
Except for cooling, your comments are outside my areas of study, so I have no opinion.
I studied climate science for 17 years before writing my first paper. I’ma pretty careful about my public opinions and often research them for years.
Allan
I know something about stats and I developed a special sampling procedure to assess global warming/or -cooling.
Funny thing is that I suspect even the Egyptians already knew about the GB Cycle simply by observing the rise and fall of the river Nile. Currently it is cooling: more rain in and around the equator….
You can figure the details of my sampling procedure from my reports on the website breadonthewater.co.za
I do challenge anyone here to follow the same sampling procedure
1)Look at the average annual temperature of at least 50 stations in total, feel free to take a bigger sample, must be an even number
2) equal amount of weather stations nh and sh
3) all stations must balance out to zero latitude!!
4) look at the deratives of the least square equations over 4 periods of time which indicates the speed of warming /cooling in K/annum
Plot: K/annum against time to see the acceleration of warming/cooling
What have you got to lose?
Henry, your method is much better than the gridding method so long as point 1 is random.
The advantage is that you a conforming to the central limit theorem while mainstream climate science dies not. As a result your data can be reliably analysed as a standard distribution while no one knows the true distribution of gridded data.
As a result we can have confidence in your statistical finding, but the results of mainstream gridding are very likely to have unknown and unknowable errors.
Yes. Random. That is important. I will react in detail later. Bedtime here now.
In response to Ferdberple and Menicholas
Menicholas says:
It is easy to predict dryer than normal precipitation over any particular area will occur…just make it vague and not any specific time period…you will surely be correct..
Henry says
I would think that the idea of climate science is to predict future weather patterns. It seems Ferdberple looked over my results and agrees with me that I found an important pattern, by simple evaluation of annual T at a number of terrestrial stations going back in history 40 years or more. The sampling procedure is important. There are indeed some more details that I left out. But I am sure my experiment is repeatable.
All the major data sets are wrong exactly because they are not properly balanced. UAH and RSS had technical problems with orbits and who knows what else [e.g solar degradation due to low solar magnetic field strengths] and you can see that they always re-calibrated / adjusted on the same [wrong] terrestrial data sets. So they are all wrong and none of them have even picked up that it is already globally cooling…..
I hope the USA is waking up to this problem now due to the current weather?
Anyway, I can help. It is the 87 GB cycle where incoming energy behaves like a sine wave. So the half cycle looks like a simple quadratic curve. God is throwing a ball at us. You are supposed to catch it. I am not 100% sure why this is happening but history shows that the dry weather hits the higher latitudes nh every 87 years.
I am saying it is happening already [western Europe had a very dry summer]. So kill me if I am out by one or two years. But drought time in the USA in the bread belt coming up, soon, in 1 or 2 years or just about now. If it follows the same pattern as the dust bowl drought it could last for 7 or 8 years.
Go south, young man. Go south. Before it is too late.
I don’ t think I am vague in my prediction?
“in the early 20th century, but agricultural settlement was boosted by the global warming that occurred from 1900 to 1940; a greater warming than occurred after 1980.”
Yes, it was warmer in the 1930’s than it is today. According to Bill Nye’s hypothesis we should all be living in Canada right now because it was too hot for us in the States.
It was hot in the States at the time, and very dry, and people did relocate because of it, but then the extreme heat of a decade started to cool and cool and cool and people moved back to the areas they vacated and their gardens grow quite well now. No permanent damage done.
Henryp says we should expect a drought in the central U.S. in the near future, and I wouldn’t say that’s wrong, because we are prone to drought around here, short term and long term, but the weather pattern recently is bringing a lot of moisture into our area and just a few weeks ago eliminated what little drought we had. So if drought is coming, we have a little moisture stored away in the soil that will mitigate it for a while.
Tom
yes,
I think the climate distortionists – claiming man is to blame for climate change – will win it in the end, especially when the world food crisis will reach its highest point during the latter half of the nexr decade due to the droughts in the north of America and Europe.
Their aim is a world government
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/01/16/claim-we-need-planetary-sovereignty-to-address-the-climate-crisis/
Droughts are typically caused by weather patterns that persist over time, resulting in altered wind patterns, or high pressure becoming locked in place for some period of time.
If a dry area becomes dry enough and large enough, there can be self sustaining effects relating to very little evapotranspiration and hence low humidity at low levels.
But in all of these cases, adjacent areas are getting extra rain, and often floods.
It is common to have a drought on one side of the US and overly wet conditions a few to several hundred miles away.
Because most of the moisture in the air is coming from evaporation of the tropical sea surface water, and this changes very little from year to year.
How can you say some change in the Sun will cause a drought in one particular area, and not somewhere else?
It is easy to predict dryer than normal precipitation over any particular area will occur…just make it vague and not any specific time period…you will surely be correct. Because at any given time some areas are getting abnormally dry weather.
Ditto with “cold Winters”. “Unusually cold weather in Winter happens every single year! Some place or another, at some point in the season. November was very cold in the Eastern US in November, unusually warm in December, and now unusually cold again. Next week the pattern will flip and there will be a period of warmer than normal in the places now frigidly cold.
So pretty much any vague prediction will be true, as long as you make it vague and over a period of time, rather than some particular time and place.
Try this: Where will it be unusually dry this coming May? How about August? In both cases, please do tell what state will be the driest. Or make a particular month and state in some future year.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/01/31/bill-nyes-latest-climate-warning-the-us-will-have-to-grow-its-food-in-canada/#comment-2611914
Is this what you call a trapped mind?
Someone who even mentions that goods are transported by road and train, yet can’t figure out that new roads and tracks can be made to go from wherever the goods are produced to wherever the goods are needed.
Some serious disconnect with reality happening there.
Some of the Green Blob must have told him that roads and railways are harmful to flora and fauna, unsustainable and therefore no new ones will be allowed.
“Some serious disconnect with reality happening there.”
This affects most Alarmists.
That that’s the only reason roads and tracks are made – to get people and stuff from where it is to where it is wanted.
I do believe that highlights a serious problem with how many on the Left/Progressive end of things think – that what they see around them is somehow a “natural” environment that will always be there and always has been there. That means that is should be shared equally and that if they do that it will continue to exist and be renewed.
https://www.visionandvalues.org/wp-content/cache/wp-rocket/www.visionandvalues.org/2015/07/the-righteous-mind-understanding-conservatives-and-liberals/index.html_gzip
“But Haidt’s second major discovery is far more consequential: the concept of “the conservative advantage.” Based on painstaking cross-cultural social-psychological experimentation, Haidt establishes that the moral foundations of liberals and conservatives are not just different, they are dramatically unequal. The liberal moral matrix rests essentially entirely on the left-most foundations; the conservative moral foundation—though slanted to the right—rests upon all six.
“This is a stunning finding with enormous implications. The first is that conservatives can relate to the moral thinking of liberals, but the converse is not true at all. Haidt, who is liberal himself, elegantly explains how and why conservatives will view liberals as merely misguided while liberals tend to view conservatives as incomprehensible, insane, immoral, etc.
“Another implication is that liberal prescriptions tend to be incredibly single-minded as compared to those of conservatives. Haidt uses the metaphor of a bee hive to illustrate. A liberal, finding a bee in the hive suffering from injustice, is motivated more or less exclusively by the desire to get justice for the bee. A conservative, being partially driven by the Care/Harm foundation, also desires to alleviate the injustice, but tries to find a solution that also contemplates the survival of the hive itself.”
Yep, obviously a failed engineer. Who does he think builds the roads and railways? And this never occurred to him?
I thought , wow! are we being warned in advance of Americas’ next military adventure?
“The agriculture in North America is going to have to move north into what would nominally be Canada and we don’t have the infrastructure,” Nye told MSNBC host Chris Matthews Tuesday night.”
However Nye actually said ‘normally’ not ‘nominally’ as quoted in the text here, so I guess the armed forces and the anti war protestors can stand down as annexing your northern neighbour is not on the agenda after all.
I only know this guy from ‘Big Bang theory’. He is surely not taken seriously by anyone in authority?
tonyb
Bill Nye. Who once had a video of himself explaining trade winds as westerlies?
Long since “disappeared” I fear.
In further news, evil Canadians will no longer burn in hell. They will be forced to move to Texas instead.
I hate to tell you this, Jim, but they’re already here. Drive around any “Winter Texan” ghetto, and Ontario license plates dominate. Wisconsin and Minnesota are not far behind. Of course, they all go back to “God’s Country” in the summer.
Reminds me of a country song a former co-worker and friend wrote:
‘Your Daddy Don’t Live in Heaven (He’s in Houston).”
My friend I believe was a Berkeley grad who never thought he’d end up doing country music.
. . . and Columbia will have to grow its coca in Nebrasca.
ColOmbia!
NebrasKa
This is a bad thing? Make Canada Warm Again!
+10. I have my feet frozen again at home, and the thing is I’m running out of firewood.
I can’t take more climate change, but some warming would be welcome.
As a good Canadian neighbor, I will gladly keep you warm….As per the wood choppin’ stuff….? I need more than “Hugs” for that ! LOL
I’m pissed about this solar minimum biz; I’d thought as I get old I’d be living in the balmy climate of New England warmed to South Carolina. Today it’s about like Siberian tundra. We are not amused.
Alarmists who think the world should be COLDER should colonize the Arctic circle.
I know a lot of millennials grew up watching this guy. To them he was the face of ‘Science!’
I grew up with Mr Wizard. Needless to say, with him as a role model Bill Nye looked more like a clown then a scientist. Still does, now I think about it.
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Bill Nye is not the problem. The corrupt mainstream media that present him a credible is a problem, but ultimately, the people who are too ignorant to know that Bill Nye is ignorant and that the media is lying to them are the real problem.
About 1200 years ago they grew grain in southern Greenland, they still grow grain in southern Texas. Modern farming is pretty resilient to temperatures. More important is the presipitation during the sommer, cheap fossil fuel and lots of CO2 /NOSARC