The down side to wind power
Wind farms will cause more environmental impact than previously thought
As the world begins its large-scale transition toward low-carbon energy sources, it is vital that the pros and cons of each type are well understood and the environmental impacts of renewable energy, small as they may be in comparison to coal and gas, are considered.
In two papers — published today in the journals Environmental Research Letters and Joule — Harvard University researchers find that the transition to wind or solar power in the U.S. would require five to 20 times more land than previously thought, and, if such large-scale wind farms were built, would warm average surface temperatures over the continental U.S. by 0.24 degrees Celsius.
“Wind beats coal by any environmental measure, but that doesn’t mean that its impacts are negligible,” said David Keith, the Gordon McKay Professor of Applied Physics at the Harvard John A. Paulson School of Engineering and Applied Sciences (SEAS) and senior author of the papers. “We must quickly transition away from fossil fuels to stop carbon emissions. In doing so, we must make choices between various low-carbon technologies, all of which have some social and environmental impacts.”
Keith is also professor of public policy at the Harvard Kennedy School.
One of the first steps to understanding the environmental impact of renewable technologies is to understand how much land would be required to meet future U.S. energy demands. Even starting with today’s energy demands, the land area and associated power densities required have long been debated by energy experts.
In previous research, Keith and co-authors modeled the generating capacity of large-scale wind farms and concluded that real-world wind power generation had been overestimated because they neglected to accurately account for the interactions between turbines and the atmosphere.
In 2013 research, Keith described how each wind turbine creates a “wind shadow” behind it where air has been slowed down by the turbine’s blades. Today’s commercial-scale wind farms carefully space turbines to reduce the impact of these wind shadows, but given the expectation that wind farms will continue to expand as demand for wind-derived electricity increases, interactions and associated climatic impacts cannot be avoided.
What was missing from this previous research, however, were observations to support the modeling. Then, a few months ago, the U.S. Geological Survey released the locations of 57,636 wind turbines around the U.S. Using this data set, in combination with several other U.S. government databases, Keith and postdoctoral fellow Lee Miller were able to quantify the power density of 411 wind farms and 1,150 solar photovoltaic plants operating in the U.S. during 2016.
“For wind, we found that the average power density — meaning the rate of energy generation divided by the encompassing area of the wind plant — was up to 100 times lower than estimates by some leading energy experts,” said Miller, who is the first author of both papers. “Most of these estimates failed to consider the turbine-atmosphere interaction. For an isolated wind turbine, interactions are not important at all, but once the wind farms are more than five to 10 kilometers deep, these interactions have a major impact on the power density.”
The observation-based wind power densities are also much lower than important estimates from the U.S. Department of Energy and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
For solar energy, the average power density (measured in watts per meter squared) is 10 times higher than wind power, but also much lower than estimates by leading energy experts.
This research suggests that not only will wind farms require more land to hit the proposed renewable energy targets but also, at such a large scale, would become an active player in the climate system.
The next question, as explored in the journal Joule, was how such large-scale wind farms would impact the climate system.
To estimate the impacts of wind power, Keith and Miller established a baseline for the 2012‒2014 U.S. climate using a standard weather-forecasting model. Then, they covered one-third of the continental U.S. with enough wind turbines to meet present-day U.S. electricity demand. The researchers found this scenario would warm the surface temperature of the continental U.S. by 0.24 degrees Celsius, with the largest changes occurring at night when surface temperatures increased by up to 1.5 degrees. This warming is the result of wind turbines actively mixing the atmosphere near the ground and aloft while simultaneously extracting from the atmosphere’s motion.
This research supports more than 10 other studies that observed warming near operational U.S. wind farms. Miller and Keith compared their simulations to satellite-based observational studies in North Texas and found roughly consistent temperature increases.
Miller and Keith are quick to point out the unlikeliness of the U.S. generating as much wind power as they simulate in their scenario, but localized warming occurs in even smaller projections. The follow-on question is then to understand when the growing benefits of reducing emissions are roughly equal to the near-instantaneous impacts of wind power.
The Harvard researchers found that the warming effect of wind turbines in the continental U.S. was actually larger than the effect of reduced emissions for the first century of its operation. This is because the warming effect is predominantly local to the wind farm, while greenhouse gas concentrations must be reduced globally before the benefits are realized.
Miller and Keith repeated the calculation for solar power and found that its climate impacts were about 10 times smaller than wind’s.
“The direct climate impacts of wind power are instant, while the benefits of reduced emissions accumulate slowly,” said Keith. “If your perspective is the next 10 years, wind power actually has — in some respects — more climate impact than coal or gas. If your perspective is the next thousand years, then wind power has enormously less climatic impact than coal or gas.
“The work should not be seen as a fundamental critique of wind power,” he said. “Some of wind’s climate impacts will be beneficial — several global studies show that wind power cools polar regions. Rather, the work should be seen as a first step in getting more serious about assessing these impacts for all renewables. Our hope is that our study, combined with the recent direct observations, marks a turning point where wind power’s climatic impacts begin to receive serious consideration in strategic decisions about decarbonizing the energy system.”
This research was funded by the Fund for Innovative Climate and Energy Research.
Source: https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2018/10/large-scale-wind-power-has-its-down-side/
I always suspected that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Even though there is a lot of potential energy in the atmosphere, extracting a significant amount in the lower atmosphere over a wide area must have some demonstrable effects on everything else at every other level of the atmosphere. No wonder the Jet Stream is getting all wonky with Rosby Waves…it may be even worse than we thought. Maybe the windmills are responsible for the wacky weather the greens keep pulling out as examples of CAGW. How ironic in any case that it is the Harvard School of Engineering making these findings.
All it may take is 3 or 4 reputable studies like this one, and Gov’ts and industry will abandon Big Wind sooner than later. But the big one will be when the subsidies end on this industry and it has to compete on a level playing field, and then the industry collapses completely. And that day always comes. It is always a mistake to subsidize pet industries, because it distorts market realities. And everybody will be caught holding the bag, including your mutual and retirement funds that have their allocated investments in such.
Some years ago, I recall even the New Scientist having an article that addressed that issue. Considering the atmosphere and its winds as a classical Carnot-cycle heat engine, I think they concluded that we probably couldn’t extract enough useful energy from it for our needs, and that even if we could, it would have enormous and unpredictable effects on the climate.
The cure being worse than the disease is not something that gets much attention in the green brain.
Seems like a case for the Precautionary Principle to be applied here with Big Wind. If the ‘carbon’ haters use it to try and limit the responsible use of fossil fuels without any final evidence that they are net detrimental to humanity, then the same should be applied to a new major type of industry such as wind where an actual environmental review has not been properly conducted. And we know it takes a lot of resources and land to implement this, not to mention the biological destruction of birds and bats that would be totally off limits if it were some other industry. So wind is not really that green (or efficient) after all, but I suspect a lot of people here already know that. But I doubt mainstream media will pick this story up since wind is the poster boy solution to a problem that doesn’t exist.
*** ” it is vital that the pros and cons of each type are well understood and the environmental impacts of renewable energy, small as they may be in comparison to coal and gas, are considered.” ***
That environmental impact statement is extremely important and very necessary. To go forward on this endeavor without a EIS is brainless waste. Worked for four years in the nuclear power licensing department. It takes over ten years to perform the EIS for NPP. Presently more time is spent on the environmental impact of a new gas station than a new wind farm. Believe me your children will suffer till a truck EIS is performed for ALL renewable energy projects.
Did they consider the consequences of this initial warming?
According to the alarmists, the rising temps will increase H2O in the atmosphere, and that’s the real greenhouse gas bogeyman. That’s why the global temp rise is supposed to spiral out of control.
So, did they forecast for that?
Strange that the engineering geniuses that built these things at untold billions for little results didn’t check out Newton’s 3rd law. Follow the money.
Egads! It’s worse than we thought! Wait, its still better, just wait 1000 years! Chuckle.
Imagine the navigation charts for the North Sea 100 years from now!
From the paper—– http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/aae102
“US electricity consumption is just 1/6 total primary energy consumption (BP 2018), so meeting total consumption would therefore require 72% and 6% [OF THE LAND] respectively for US wind and solar.”
Suspect that they will find solar needs underestimated also—- .
“Solar’s mean power density in 2016 was 5.4 We m−2. Our approach for estimating the area of solar farms is not fully bottom-up so this estimate is subject to systematic error.”
Somewhere back in the ancient archives of libraries turned into computer and coffee shops they might find out that we more or less knew this. And they do cite three pre-millennial papers.
I’ll believe that when I see the number of new nuclear stations start ramping up considerably, and being deployed in countries that currently have none.
Wind and solar build is a transition to nowhere. Fossil fuels gonna rule the roost for a long time yet.
0.24C? That’s more warming than the CO2 that might be prevented would have caused.
Perhaps before 1,000 years the AGW crowd will discover without CO2 we die, more is better, but since it’s not really about AGW just money and control, maybe not…
The usual David Keith fare… As long as his career is unimpeded everything is possible.
“Large-scale transition” to low carbon energy sources?
That phrase would imply that these new sources are taking over a large share, perhaps a majority, of energy consumption. In fact, they are barely or not even keeping up with additional energy demand.
Even if it turns out that that Hurricane Harvey was somehow affected by slower air masses because of all the windmills in Texas, would Michael Mann apply his Attribution Rule to renewables like wind? I doubt it. I doubt most mainstream media wouldn’t report on any type of negative connotation to wind energy.
I still can’t believe he got away with testifying before congress a few years ago that cattle were being “burnt alive” in Texas because of climate change due to climate attribution they could now specifically identify. Pure steaming bull crap, and nobody said anything.
Geez, the stupid it burns. They are just now waking up to the fact that wind and solar aren’t as advertised. But, they still don’t have a clue about the real reasons why wind and solar is dumb grid-based power, which is that they are expensive, and require back-up power if you want to keep the lights on.
The .24 degree C of US warming due to nighttime atmospheric mixing would cause increased radiational cooling, and overall atmospheric effect would be cooling. Surface warming will be confined to where the wind turbines cause atmospheric mixing.
Grid-level solar and wind farms are the pyramids of the 21st century; worthkess monuments celebrsting the hubris and tyranny of despotic political hacks.
The only difference is that solar and wind monstrosities will not last 3,000 years, and will soon be scrap metal and landfill rubbish..
Reading this again i noted this – The researchers found this scenario would warm the surface temperature of the continental U.S. by 0.24 degrees Celsius, with the largest changes occurring at night when surface temperatures increased by up to 1.5 degrees. That tells me that their is 0.24 degrees C for just the USA. Now factor in with that over the entire industrialized area. Seems to me like Wind turbines actually are a Non Solution for AGW.
A non-solution for a non-problem.
Sounds like a match made in heaven.
When nuclear power was first being developed back in the heady 1950s, the expectation was that electricity was going to be so cheap no-one would ever bother turning their lights off. That didn’t last very long, did it. Yes, the energy is (almost) free, but it costs a lot to get it out.
The wind power schemes used the same theory – the energy is free. But the cost of capturing it is very large. And (just like nuclear power) the decommissioning costs were never included in the analysis. And the environmental costs are abominable (that’s “environmental” as the term was used in the 1970’s, i.e. destroying wilderness and killing wildlife for profit). And of course the intermittency problem.
The real problem with Nuclear Power is that the Anti-Nuke Fear mongers learned how to pervert the system. In the 60’s and early 70’s there were about 5 or 6 Nuclear operators on shift, and four crews. One security guard at the gate, and about two dozen maintenance personnel. Somewhere in the neighborhood of one hundred total. Today there are six operators in the control room along with a Technical engineering advisor amd about a dozen operators scattered around the plant. Operations staff has more than quadrupled. Then there are Health Physics personnel and a security staff of over 300. There are now 6 crews on shift rotating through time on the plant and Training. And that’s not all, There is a Training staff of over a hundred and and “Onsite” Engineering staff of over a hundred. Due to the NRC regulation on ALARA – As Low As Reasonably Allowable” to lower the workers radiation dosage, most maintenance actions require a “mock up” trial repair supervised by the training department. This must be as identical to the real conditions and material as possible. Once built, the Training begins. They make the repair with video cameras and critique methods to shorten the activity and reduce dosage. I personally witnessed one of these exercises that cost over $250,000 counting paid manhours of all involved and equipment, All to save a few total man REM dosage.
Then there is the intervenor requested requirements to determine the number of deaths of birds hitting the cooling towers. [A and many other just as stupid exercises in stupidity.] A local college professor got over $100,000 a year to gather and count the number of dead birds around each cooling tower. How many wind farms have this requirement? How Many Solar farms have that requirement? What would the cost be if they did? Why don’t the cooling towers at fossil plants need the number of dead birds counted?
Wind power causing warming?
What kind of green autophagy is this??
Throwing wind under the bus?
What could this be the start of?
They’re eating their own now. The end (of CAGW) is nigh.
Bruce
The post three ahead of this one suggests you could be right:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/10/05/international-panel-calls-for-end-to-global-war-on-fossil-fuels/
I’m following “The Great War” week by week YouTube video history of WW1 with Indy Neidell – 100 years in retrospect. So now we’re in Oct 1918, with unmistakable cracks and signs of collapse of the Kaiser’s German army. I can’t help feeling something similar is happening with CAGW. They over-reached. Now it’s starting to fall apart.
Umm…let me state the obvious…
“If your perspective is the next thousand years,”….
Coal WON’T be used in a thousand years, but those wind turbines still could be, as opined by the study.
So, NO coal impact in a thousand years, yet ongoing impact by wind turbines….
Hmmm…?
Wheres the benefit of having wind power again? Especially questionable if it is ADDING year on year, to the supposed problem.
Mind you, if that cold period does rear its ugly head, then a bit more warming from what-ever source, might be beneficial.
David Hood
Hmmmn. A wind turbine requires maintenance every 18 months, a major overhaul every 54 months (every third repair shutdown), and expects a lifetime of 15 years. The the whole thing needs replacement. So, in 1000 years (12,000 months) the current wind turbine will need to be replaced 67 times. Nuts, bolts, tower, copper, plastic, insulation, steel, controls, … All for a 17% capacity factor? Which means you need six wind turbines spread around the country to get the average actual rated power from ONE wind turbine!
Now, current power plants are going on 45 years towards a lifetime of 60 years. Probably can’t go further than that for the turbines, generators, and controls. (Building will be good for 150 years.) They need less maintenance – but each outage is more expensive. But each conventional (or nuke) power plant expects to go for 87% to 93% capacity factor. 1000 years/60 = 16 replacements for that capacity factor of 87 – 90 %.
To be fair – and I certainly don’t have to be, even wind power may be redundant in 1000 years, but those ‘oh so clean’ wind turbines really – ain’t so much.
Getting rid of coal for pollutions sake – I’m all for.
Getting rid of coal to reduce CO2 – I’m against…IF you accept that CO2 in not a pollutant and NOT the cause of a contribution to the destruction of human kind.
So, if coal isn’t adding to the increase in temp that may or may not be occurring, why oh why add something that WILL add to the problem – were there to be one (a problem) of course.
No, wind turbines are as guilty – according to the paper above – to climate warming, not a panacea to it.
And yep – nuke is the one avenue for the serious thinkers to promote.
Considering I live in good ol New Zealand with a socialist leaning govt at the moment, I can’t see that EVER being in the mix for consideration. The so called opposition party, is just as bad, so no change towards a 4th Generation Nuke Power system will be seen in NZ.
Sigh!!!!
We’d be a sorry-arse species if we were still using such a pathetic power source as wind-power in 100 yrs, let alone 1000. Only way that would happen is we were reduced to near barbarism/totalitarianism.
Well, things with wind turbines may not be as bad as they seem. When the windmills eliminate birds from the earth there won’t be all that flapping going on mixing the atmosphere, so you can reduce the environmental effects of the windmills by that amount.
Also, you won’t have to worry about sand eel populations because there will be no puffins to eat them.
(I guess penguins and ostriches would survive, though.)
+ 100
+ 100 to that one
What about the “shadow” that turbines using ocean currents as the source of energy cause. Over time I would expect there to be the equivalent of a “desert” downstream because of the stagnancy of the water, the restricting of nutrients etc.
This paper is basically saying that mixing the air causes warming. My physics book says the only way to heat something is to add energy to is. The wind turbine by itself doesn’t add anything to the wind. It simply converts some of the wind energy to electricity. Most of the electricity is eventually lost as heat and will have no effect on temperature. But some is coverted to radio waves and light which is lost to space. So overall a small amount of every is permanently lost and the earth will cool as a result. This paper cannot be correct if it violates the laws of physics.
UHA data shows the earth has cooled by about 0.4C since the last Elnino. We will never be able to see the effect of wind turbines on temperature due to the normal up and down temperature fluctuations.
We are going to solve our energy problems (and the associated environmental issues) by using less power. This can be done two ways, innovation in low power / energy smart devices (i.e. LED lighting) and this is the biggie – using / wasting less energy. I see houses lit up at night on the outside so that it is completely visable at night. Yes it is cool, however it is a flagrant waste of energy it says to me “look at my house isn’t it beautiful and obviously I don’t give a f#@k that 95% of the energy it takes to show it off is never seen by anyone” It’s this type of attitude that needs change.