Bangkok Climate Conference: “Urgent Session” Required, Not Ready for Poland

Soi Cowboy, a red light district in Bangkok.
Soi Cowboy, a red light district in Bangkok. Source: https://www.flickr.com/photos/moomoobloo/93523102/ Picture taken by flickr user moomoobloo in December 2005.

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Fiji PM Josaia Voreqe Bainimarama is worried insufficient progress is being made in Bangkok, which only leaves three months to sort out remaining so far intractable issues before the COP24 “changing together” conference in Poland.

Governments ‘not ready’ for Poland climate change talks: Fiji PM

Amy Sawitta Lefevre

BANGKOK (Reuters) – – Governments are unprepared for a crucial climate change meeting in Poland later this year aimed at ensuring the full implementation of the 2015 Paris Agreement, Fiji Prime Minister Josaia Voreqe Bainimarama said on Tuesday at the opening of climate talks in Bangkok.

The talks in the Thai capital come ahead of a gathering in Katowice, Poland in December, when government ministers will meet to agree rules for the 2015 Paris climate accord.

The Paris Agreement set a sweeping goal of ending the fossil fuel era this century, but the text was vague on details.

After failing to make enough progress in Bonn in May, the Bangkok summit is seen as a last shot before Katowice.

This is not just an additional session. It is an urgent session,” Bainimarama said.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-climatechange-accord/governments-not-ready-for-poland-climate-change-talks-fiji-pm-idUSKCN1LK0AH

What a shocking state of affairs. Will these pressing unresolved issues be allowed to dangle until December? Will delegates opt for another week in Bangkok? Or will there be another hastily arranged urgent extra session in an exotic location, to give delegates a chance to resolve their differences in time for the Polish climate conference?

Rest assured these delegates are working your tax dollars as hard as they can. Regardless of how many additional extra sessions are required, they will not rest until they have achieved a happy outcome, and resolved their so far intractable differences.

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September 4, 2018 6:14 am

“Fiji PM Josaia Voreqe Bainimarama is worried insufficient progress is being made in Bangkok, which only leaves three months to sort out remaining so far intractable issues”

Translation: Fiji PM Josaia Voreqe Bainimarama is worried whether he’ll ever get all that money he thought he was going to get from the Annex-1 countries now that there’s a new no nonsense sheriff in the White House

Bob Burban
Reply to  Chaamjamal
September 4, 2018 9:18 am

A climate worrier, for sure …

kramer
Reply to  Chaamjamal
September 4, 2018 4:24 pm

Chaamjamal said: “Fiji PM Josaia Voreqe Bainimarama is worried whether he’ll ever get all that money he thought he was going to get from the Annex-1 country

From the South China Morning Post:

Money is at the heart of issue. The Paris Agreement has promised US$100 billion annually from 2020 to poor nations already coping with floods, heatwaves, rising sea levels and superstorms made worse by climate change.
https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/2162749/bangkok-climate-conference-sounds-paris-agreement-alarm

Ian Magness
September 4, 2018 6:16 am

You are so right – that’s “Really saying something” Mr Bananarama.
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Apologies to anyone who didn’t/couldn’t follow the pop scene in 1983. Will this also be Bananarama’s greatest hit?

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Ian Magness
September 4, 2018 6:24 am

A Cruel Summer for them.

Eustace Cranch
Reply to  Ian Magness
September 4, 2018 7:00 am

I got your 80’s pop scene right here, sunshine:

One night in Bangkok and the world’s your oyster
The bars are temples but the pearls ain’t free
You’ll find a god in every golden cloister
And if you’re lucky then the god’s a she
I can feel an angel sliding up to me

beng135
Reply to  Ian Magness
September 4, 2018 7:09 am

Another 80’s pop/R&R scene:

We’re on the train to Bangkok
Aboard the Thailand Express
We’ll hit the stops along the way
We only stop for the best

Tom in Florida
September 4, 2018 6:22 am

“until they have achieved a happy outcome”

In Bangkok? Pun intended?

Gary Ashe
Reply to  Tom in Florida
September 4, 2018 7:00 am

Confucius ,…. man who bang kok have happy out come innit.

Myron Mesecke
Reply to  Gary Ashe
September 4, 2018 10:02 am

“Man who goes through turnstile sideways going to Bangkok.”

Krudd Gillard of the Commondebt of Australia
Reply to  Tom in Florida
September 5, 2018 5:34 am

Confucius actually say, “Man who go to Bangkok, go to Bangkok.”

quaesoveritas
September 4, 2018 6:29 am

Is Katowice a good place to be holding a climate conference in December?
At least they can’t be accused of selecting somewhere with a warm climate this time.
Or am I missing something?

Reply to  quaesoveritas
September 4, 2018 6:50 am

Didn’t they hold a conference in Switzerland or somewhere like that where they had to be flown in because there was too much snow and not enough parking? They did stay at a swanky ski resort, but it seems to be one of the few times a very cold, snowy location was chosen.

Tom Halla
September 4, 2018 6:35 am

Poland? In December? There isn’t even good skiing there! They might have to actually discuss what they are purportedly discussing.

Pameladragon
Reply to  Tom Halla
September 4, 2018 6:42 am

This is clearly a case of believing their own lies. The person in charge of selecting meeting sites was assuming that thanks to CAGW, Katowice would be sub-tropical by now….

Gary Ashe
Reply to  Pameladragon
September 4, 2018 7:04 am

Snow and ice are ”trapped” ”heat”.

Or Delayed warming, as the luke warmers would say.

beng135
Reply to  Tom Halla
September 4, 2018 7:13 am

Poland? In December?

They believe fully in their models, which predict a heat-wave in Poland at that time.

Hans-Georg
Reply to  beng135
September 4, 2018 9:11 am

I still see it coming that the volunteers and full-time climate conferences participants are banned to change the shorts and underpants of Bangkog. Is not necessary. Fiji and other archipelagos that are threatened with immediate destruction are much more in need of money.

Therefore, there is already a saying in Cattowicze, Poland: The windows opened, the climatics are coming.

There is an ancient joke in Poland and everywere in Central Europe: a couple had inherited a few gulden. They thought about how they could invest the money and came up with the idea to buy some animals. A cow, an ox, a horse and a few rabbits were among them. Also a female goat. But when the farmer considered how he wanted to get a few goat-kids for Easter next year, he had to buy a Geißbock. Said and done. But alas, there was no room in the stable anymore. So the spouses had to tie the goat in their bedroom. A neighbor, who heard about it from the farmer, exclaimed in horror: But the stench? Serene replied the farmer: The Geißbock has not yet complained.

David Chappell
Reply to  Tom Halla
September 4, 2018 7:17 am

Well, they can always visit the Museum of the History of Computers and Computer Science. Meanwhile, there was a time when a Saturday night on the town felt like creeping quietly through a cemetery, that has all changed with a plethora of restaurants, cafes, cocktail bars and clubs moving in to give the city centre some buzz. But given the number of hangers-on at these events, there may be a bit of overcrowding.

eyesonu
Reply to  Tom Halla
September 4, 2018 9:13 am

Poland? In December?

Maybe that’s one of the reasons for Bangkok. Poor attendance expected in cool climate?

Anyway, it’s party time on someone else’s dime!

MarkW
September 4, 2018 6:41 am

Aren’t they ever going to give that poor elephant a break?

eyesonu
Reply to  MarkW
September 4, 2018 10:54 am

They’ve already broke the camel’s back.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  eyesonu
September 4, 2018 4:14 pm

They piled it too high with straw man arguments.

Curious George
September 4, 2018 7:28 am

Fiji, a great contributor to a climate change fight, wants to see its money spent responsibly.

Joel O’Bryan
September 4, 2018 8:03 am

“…they will not rest until they have achieved a happy outcome, “

They are in Bangkok, world’s best known city of happy outcomes.

Craig
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
September 4, 2018 8:48 am

You win the internet today.

Keen Observer
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
September 4, 2018 8:55 am

I feel like they would be more interested in a happy income.

Moderately Cross of East Anglia
September 4, 2018 8:17 am

I trust that they won’t have the cheek to have any heating on in whatever conference halls and rooms the climatistas use in Katowice – especially as Poland sensibly still produces much of its power by coal burning. Surely they couldn’t be such hypocrites as to put their personal comfort ahead of virtue signalling or enjoy more comfort than the poor who cannot afford the price of heating as a result of the parasitic green agenda?
Oh wait…track record so far…

markl
September 4, 2018 8:30 am

Without the US the Climate Change brigade falls apart. Not to worry about being represented though as California has vowed to uphold the US. Let’s see how much money California will contribute to the world pot of climate shame retribution.

John Endicott
Reply to  markl
September 4, 2018 11:02 am

Someone in California should put an initiative on the ballot to have California pay the full “US amount” into the UN green fund even if it means raising taxes in Cali. Let’s see if the voters of Cali believe the BS the people they elected spout.

rocketscientist
September 4, 2018 8:32 am

I think they ought to leave them in Bangkok indefinitely.
I spent a week there and while the sights can be fantastic, the city is an over crowded, sweaty, stinking hell hole.
I thought I’d visited some nasty unpleasant cities until I visited Bangkok.
Looking at the electrical system and one wonders at how they function with out constant fires and black-outs. And, the sewerage system is abysmal to dysfunctional. Roads are marginally maintained and the traffic control…laughable.

But….its all due to climate change.

Sparky
September 4, 2018 8:35 am

180 nations vote to rdistribute the $$ of 20. The GA has been trying to “socialize” the international affairs and economy for 40 years. The CO2 cult has been trying to leverage the 1st World to redistribute and control the World Economy and way of life thru the Climate Command and Control of the UN. Time to affirm National sovereignty and tell the UN to stop it fund their operations and socialist ideas via India and China- without arethe claimed cause of the noncastastropty.

SteveC
September 4, 2018 8:41 am

2015 Paris et al to be have been Trumped! Without Piggy Bank USA no one else wants pay…. anything!

John Endicott
Reply to  SteveC
September 4, 2018 11:11 am

Even when Piggy Bank USA was paying, no else wanted to pat anything, they were happy to let Uncle B.O. be the only one foolish enough to put significant amounts of money in.

J Mac
September 4, 2018 8:53 am

What could be more ethically, morally farcical than holding a ‘global warming’ conference in the biggest whore house on planet earth? Child prostitution is an essential ingredient for the advancement of ‘green’ socialism, apparently.

Need a second opinion? Ask the ‘green’ Pope about his ‘Silence On The Lambs’.

steveta
September 4, 2018 9:00 am

Surely the only sensible option is to cancel Poland, and reschedule in the new year somewhere nice and sunny.

After all, how can anyone take AGW seriously in Poland in December ?

Uncle Mort
September 4, 2018 9:11 am

Is that the elephant in the room?

Bruce Cobb
September 4, 2018 9:12 am

“The talks in the Thai capital come ahead of a gathering in Katowice, Poland in December, when government ministers will meet to agree argue about rules for the 2015 Paris climate accord.” There, fixed.
Which reminds me, I need to re-stock my supply of popcorn.

Michael Jankowski
September 4, 2018 9:21 am

“…when government ministers will meet to agree rules for the 2015 Paris climate accord…”

Paris was 3 yrs ago. How much time and how many meetings do they need?

John Endicott
Reply to  Michael Jankowski
September 4, 2018 11:05 am

Yeah, they’re about 3 years too late to agree on rules, unless one of the rules is to “invent a time machine to send the rules back to Paris in 2015”

RichDo
Reply to  Michael Jankowski
September 5, 2018 6:48 am

Conferences
• The Big Picture
• Katowice Climate Change Conference – December 2018
• Bangkok Climate Change Conference – September 2018
• Bonn Climate Change Conference – April 2018
• UN Climate Change Conference November 2017
Past Conferences
• Bonn Climate Change Conference – May 2017
• Marrakech Climate Change Conference – November 2016
• Bonn Climate Change Conference – May 2016
• Paris Climate Change Conference – November 2015
• Bonn Climate Change Conference – October 2015
• Bonn Climate Change Conference – August 2015
• Bonn Climate Change Conference – June 2015
• Geneva Climate Change Conference – February 2015
• Lima Climate Change Conference – December 2014
• Bonn Climate Change Conference – October 2014
• Bonn Climate Change Conference – June 2014
• Bonn Climate Change Conference – March 2014
• Warsaw Climate Change Conference – November 2013
• Bonn Climate Change Conference – June 2013
• Bonn Climate Change Conference – April 2013
• Doha Climate Change Conference – November 2012
• Bangkok Climate Change Conference – August 2012
• Bonn Climate Change Conference – May 2012
• Durban Climate Change Conference – November 2011
• Panama Climate Change Conference – October 2011
• Bangkok Climate Change Conference – April 2011
• Bonn Climate Change Conference – June 2011
• Cancun Climate Change Conference – November 2010
• Tianjin Climate Change Conference – October 2010
• Bonn Climate Change Conference – August 2010
• Bonn Climate Change Conference – June 2010
• Bonn Climate Change Conference – April 2010
• Copenhagen Climate Change Conference – December 2009
• Barcelona Climate Change Conference – November 2009
• Bangkok Climate Change Conference – October 2009
• Bonn Climate Change Conference – August 2009
• Bonn Climate Change Conference – June 2009
• Bonn Climate Change Conference – March 2009
• Poznan Climate Change Conference – December 2008
• Accra Climate Change Conference – August 2008
• Bonn Climate Change Conference – June 2008
• Bangkok Climate Change Conference – March 2008
• Bali Climate Change Conference – December 2007
• Vienna Climate Change Conference – August 2007
• Bonn Climate Change Conference – May 2007
• Nairobi Climate Change Conference – November 2006
• Bonn Climate Change Conference – May 2006
• Bonn Climate Change Conference – May 2005
• Montreal Climate Change Conference – December 2005
• Buenos Aires Climate Change Conference – December 2004
• Bonn Climate Change Conference – June 2004
• Milan Climate Change Conference – December 2003
• Bonn Climate Change Conference – June 2003
• New Delhi Climate Change Conference – October 2002
• Bonn Climate Change Conference – June 2002
• Marrakech Climate Change Conference – October 2001
• Bonn Climate Change Conference – July 2001
• The Hague Climate Conference – November 2000
• Lyon Climate Change Conference – September 2000
• Bonn Climate Change Conference – June 2000
• Bonn Climate Change Conference – October 1999
• Bonn Climate Change Conference – June 1999
• Buenos Aires Climate Change Conference – November 1998
• Bonn Climate Change Conference – June 1998
• Kyoto Climate Change Conference – December 1997
• Bonn Climate Change Conference – October 1997
• Bonn Climate Change Conference – July 1997
• Bonn Climate Change Conference – February 1997

https://unfccc.int/process#:606038e4-000c-47ee-8c49-4f590df37224:9b6196fd-b9b5-4b2c-a133-ab97ac611271

Seriously, this list should make any rational person sick to their stomach. Consider all the wasted energy, time and resources that have been poured into this black hole over the last few decades, and this list is just the tip of the massive global iceberg. All in pursuit of ideological agenda against private property and individual liberty; who’s only observable outcome has been to enrich a small group of elitist pigs.

Enough!

Len Jay
Reply to  RichDo
September 11, 2018 1:55 am

Bonn wins!

September 4, 2018 10:02 am

I wonder if they are getting fossil-fuel producing countries to agree to leave at least 75% of their proven reserves of fossil fuels (and all future discoveries) in the ground?
McGlade and Ekins 2015 (The geographical distribution of fossil fuels unused when limiting global warming to 2°C) estimate that the proven global reserves of oil, gas and coal would produce about 2900 GtCO2e. They further estimate that the “non-reserve resources” of fossil fuels represent a further 8000 GtCO2e of emissions.

I took these estimates of proven reserves and divided them up by major country.
How much pressure is being put on the countries below?

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https://manicbeancounter.com/2017/11/22/the-supply-side-of-climate-mitigation-is-toothless/

Maybe when activists try to block a pipeline, or exploring for further fossil fuels in Western countries, it might be worth reminding them how futile it all is in the context of preventing future CO2 emissions.

September 4, 2018 5:24 pm

Who is paying for these happy holidays for the hundreds of deligates. Silly question, you the taxpayers. Time to get out into the street and demand that they use teeleconference facilities.

MJE

Hivemind
September 4, 2018 6:24 pm

“happy outcome”

Did you really mean “happy ending”? Hem, hem.

SocietalNorm
September 4, 2018 9:04 pm

Everything was fine when most of the $16,000,000,000,000 that was expected to be needed in the next several years was being paid for by the U.S.
All 163 countries were on board with that.
Now there are disagreements.
I wonder why.

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