Readers may recall yesterday that I posted about a wacky paper that said Earth was on it’s way to a “hothouse state”. The press release for it was so bad, and so full of straw men arguments, I didn’t even bother to look up the actual paper.
The Guardian went a bit loopy with it.
And Ben Pile @climateresistance on Twitter summed it all up like this:
Here are the Greens, trying to turn what the scientists admit is wildly speculative into political capital. https://t.co/m3F9OjdXzf
— Ben Pile (@clim8resistance) August 7, 2018
Josh had similar thoughts, and came up with this:
Bishop Hill bothered to look up the paper, should you want to bother reading it. It’s junk science at it’s worst, and apparently sailed through peer review in less than two months.
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2018/07/31/1810141115
The abstract:
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Climate change, be it of natural or anthropogenically enforced origin, will always happen.
What these commentating scaremongers on Auntie and other MSM always forget is the fact that
there is absolutely no guarantee whatsoever for mankind to exist forever.
Volcanoes, asteroids, who really cares or is afraid of? Once the dinosaurs turned into chickens, presumably because of an asteroid hitting hard. May be mankind will awake one day on the fast lane to Zombieland?
I don’t really care. I care much more about these criminals called journalists who, in the interest of their media, start telling lies and stories. It seems something like a circulus vitiosus: The Manns take driftwood for real and make a Hockey stick out of it, the journos blow up the story and the politicians with a fine nose for shtonk, follow suit and encourage the Manns. DJT doesn’t seem to be completely immune, but he has, as far as this ugly part of life is concerned, the guts to act with common sense.
Come on, steroids aren’t that bad. I mean sure, they’ll shrink a man’s frank and beans, and give him some serious backne, and make you beat the crap out of your stuffed animal collection, but mass extinction? NOT!
What?
Oh…
Umm… Never mind.
Reads like a quote from UN Agenda 21.
Is it possible to publish the names of the peer reviewers and the organisations they represent.
Chris M needs to use this as an example, the peer reviewers are a disgrace to let this through.
I thought that interrupting the Gulf Stream (Thermohaline Circulation) would eliminate the warmer waters from entering the colder Arctic Region thereby causing the area to cool and more ice to form.
Interrupting the Gulf Stream isn’t possible without at least two things happening.
1) The winds stop blowing.
2) The continents reconfigure dramatically
Gradually melting sea ice isn’t going to do squat.
Just ask Carl Wunsch.
It’s so easy to refute by simply observing that Earth didn’t tip over into a hothouse state in previous epochs when CO2 levels were much higher than today’s. Where’s the lucidity?
When did ‘science’ morph into ‘political advocacy’?
Funny, I used to take the ‘science’ more seriously.
Now it reads like political propaganda.
And I take it about that seriously.
It’s a shame from my perspective, this change in what we call science.
Sounds familiar: A solution looking for a problem to solve. One World Government is the answer—as always.
This presciently, is how I envisioned the threshold tipping point of the whole climateering enterprise in an outpouring of zany energy. I recall from long ago the boiling up of brownish bogwater for tea while doing geological survey work in northern Canada. The water was teeming with little bugs and as it heated, they swam evermore frantically seeking out the coolest parts, making a visible pattern of the convection cells in the water until they expired. Minutes later the water began to roll in boiling and a hand measure of tea was thrown into the already tea-colored fluid, soon settling out to a clear, not unpleasant drink.
The climateers know since Trump that the game is up and, like the bugs, are scurrying crazily, giving up their all in a futile crescendo of desperation. I feel a little compassion for them as I did the first time for the bugs.
Caption from the picture: Polar bears on sea ice: the loss of Greenland ice sheet could disrupt the Gulf Stream, which would in turn raise sea levels and accelerate Antarctic ice lass.
I fear it’s already too late to save the Antarctic polar bears, but if we act now we can still save the Arctic penguins 🙂
Using genetics to make super bears with wings.
Peer-reviewed papers are becoming nothing but science fiction.
The paper this refers too is one, if not the most awful unsupported ever in climate science.
They suggest that all Greenland ice, all ice on mountains and all ice on Antarctica will melt.
All significant warming periods during previous interglacials ended in dramatic cooling that lead to the next major ice age. There has never been situation where the planet has lead to a hothouse state with land masses roughly where they are over the last 30 million years. No change in the atmosphere over this period can lead to this scenario, only based on continental drift that they conveniently ignored.
I can’t take this seriously so how about another wacky claim that neutrinos from the sun may end the world from the film 2012, about the same chance as each occurring for real.
A hothouse state refers to the planet having no continental glaciers whatsoever.
Once you know that it’s not worth even bothering discussing this any more.
Do they even understand what they write? “Decarbonize the global economy”. Doesn’t that mean no wood, no food, no life?
The Pranksters on Olympus are tempting (with the 2016 El Niño and these recent fires and heat waves) warmists to go out on a limb with extremist proclamations (eg Mann’s) and predictions like this Hothouse Earth one. IOW, they’re setting warmism up for a fall.
It seems they recycle all these old apocalyptic predictions whenever the weather is hot or after a major hurricane. Real science doesn’t need the help of props to convince the public. That is a trademark of propaganda.
Transformed social values? What’s that? Someone wants a permission to decide how we should act and think.
A lot of ” if, could, might, likely” in the short abstract.
IF one million unicorns fa**ed, that COULD affect …..whatever.
Over here in the UK, this summer’s rebooted ‘Catastrophic AGW’ hooey seems to coming from every angle.
Even people who seemed to be mildly sceptical of it before seem to be sucking it in and getting angsty.
It just goes to show: ‘We’ thought we were winning, but all it takes is a hot summer and loads of agitprop…
Jesus wept, it really is like 2007 all over again! Al Gore and his mates must be rubbing their hands together with glee.
}:o(
Kudos to these authors for actually showing a range from glaciation to “hothouse”. However, what evidence is given that we can prevent the repeated descent into the next glaciation rather than a modestly warmer “hothouse”?
Can they yet quantify the natural warming from the Minoan, Roman and Medieval warm periods, or the Little Ice Age cooling?
See also Judith Curry on “Hothouse Earth”
https://judithcurry.com/2018/08/08/hothouse-earth/
They cite: Ganopolski A, Winkelmann R, Schellnhuber HJ (2016) Critical insolation-CO2 relation for diagnosing past and future glacial inception. Nature 529:200–203
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature16494
That only cites:
4. Berger, A. & Loutre, M. F. An exceptionally long interglacial ahead? Science 297, 1287–1288 (2002)
5. Kemp, A. C. et al. Climate related sea-level variations over the past two millennia. Proc. Natl Acad. Sci. USA 108, 11017–11022 (2011)
6. Masson-Delmotte, V. et al. in Climate Change 2013: The Physical Science Basis. Contribution of Working Group I to the Fifth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (eds Stocker, T. F. et al.) 383–464 (Cambridge Univ. Press, 2013)
What’s the difference between a tipping point and a threshold? Has the posited tipping point (whatever it was, I never found a good description) not occurred and the term is now toxic? Is threshold the new, modern, and “it’ll really happen this time” term?