The Green Spent By The Green Climate Fund

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

When President Trump pulled the US out of the Paris Climate Agreement, he also pulled us out of paying any additional money to the so-called “Green Climate Fund” (GCF). Sorry, no more green for the greenies’ fund. This is the fund which has been given $7.2 billion dollars of taxpayer money from a variety of countries. It is the fund that countries around the world have been pushing hard to get their hands on. It is also the fund that was supposed to be given $100 billion, so they could parcel it out for corrupt third world politicians and greedy UN rent-seekers to swim around in for decades … dream on.

So let me start with the basics of the GCF. In 2017, all of the countries around the globe emitted a total of about 33 gigatonnes (“Gt”, 10^9 tonnes) of CO2. However, those countries that emitted just under two-thirds of the total CO2 contributed a total of zero dollars to the GCF. Not one penny.

Yep, that’s right. The countries currently emitting almost two-thirds of the total CO2 aren’t putting up a penny for the Green Climate Fund (GCF). Not China. Not India. Not Brazil. Not Russia. Not a host of countries. Only the lucky few have to pay, because … well, “because history” seems to be the favored explanation …

Next, as has often been the case until recently, the US was among the biggest suckers on the planet. Three countries, the US, Germany, and Japan, have put up nearly half of the $7.2 billion dollars that the GCF is currently wasting … but no more. We’re out of that money-losing game.

To see just how bad the GCF waste is, I took a look at the Green Climate Fund “mitigation” projects. These are the projects that are supposed to reduce the amount of CO2 emitted. To date, there have been 22 of them, with a total funding (GCF + other public and private) of $6.9 billion dollars.

And according to their undoubtedly rosy predictions of CO2 saved by windmills, solar panels, building insulation, and the like, all of the projects together will save just under two gigatonnes (Gt) of CO2. Two billion tonnes! That’s a huge weight of CO2 … but what does that all mean?

To understand it, let’s convert that to parts per million by volume (ppmv) of CO2. At present, we’re at 410 ppmv. Back in 1750, we were at about 278 ppmv of CO2.

And according to the UN IPCC, that increase in CO2 is claimed to have caused a temperature increase of 2.0787°C. The reason for the number of decimals will become apparent in a moment.

Now, to increase the atmospheric CO2 concentration by 1 ppmv, you need to emit about 16.8 Gt of CO2. The Green Climate Fund has avoided the emission of 2 Gt of CO2 … so IF their estimates are correct, and IF we got all of the savings today, instead of 410 ppmv it would make the CO2 concentration 409.88 ppmv.

And in turn, this would make the claimed temperature increase caused by CO2 to be smaller … at 2.0771°C.

So IF their estimates are correct, and IF we got all the savings today, and IF CO2 actually were the secret temperature control knob for the planet … if all that were true, the total of all the projects funded by the GCF would cause a temperature reduction of … wait for it … 0.0015°C.

How small a temperature change is this? Well, if you walk up a flight of stairs, which is about ten feet (three metres) vertically, there is a temperature difference due to the change in altitude. How big a difference? Well, temperatures drop about one degree C for every hundred metres you go up in altitude. So in climbing a flight of stairs, you’d experience a temperature drop of about 0.03°C. Three-hundredths of one degree. Far too small to detect without special instruments.

But that’s still twenty times the possible temperature reduction from the $6.9 billion dollars wasted on these GCF mitigation projects, a reduction which was only 0.0015°C. So we’ve spent $6.9 billion dollars for a POSSIBLE decrease of about the temperature difference from the floor to half-way up to your knee … be still, my beating heart …

Or we could look at it another way … how much would we have to spend to drop possible temperatures by one measly degree? Since we are spending $6.9 billion for a possible theoretical drop of 0.0015°C, that would mean that a drop of 1°C would cost us a mere $4.6 TRILLION DOLLARS … with absolutely no guarantee of success.

And people are still whining about the US pulling out of this cockamamie Green Climate Fund??? Does the phrase “Don’t throw good money after bad!” still mean anything these days?

w.

PS—QUOTE THE EXACT WORDS YOU ARE DISCUSSING. I get grumpy if you don’t, but that’s not the point. The point is, without an exact quote, nobody (possibly including you) is clear just what you are referring to.

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Tom Halla

The green blob will defend the hypothetical .0015 degree reduction as a “good start”.

Marcus

Ooops…make that .0016…My Unicorn just farted !!! PEE U!

Latitude

” a drop of 1°C would cost us a mere $4.6 TRILLION DOLLARS “…don’t give them any ideas
…and what Tom said

Louis Hunt

We could spend $4.6 trillion now on the chance of lowering temperatures by 1 degree, or we could save that money and use it to adapt to whatever happens in the future. Suppose we are about to return to an ice age. Spending trillions to lower temperatures would not only be a waste of money, it would actually make things worse. Why not wait to see if we actually have a problem that needs to be solved before trusting the unreliable output of climate models?

PaulH

Yes, but it’s Other People’s Money so… it’s a good thing.
/sarc

laura

Actually, money is magical. So is wealth. It can be produced instantly and without limit.

Having asked many socialists or other “leftists” over the years about this, their only account for the source of wealth is that it self-generates, apparently out of wishful thinking.

Sparky

Magic has been outlawed. All non-communal activities and results shall be punished. Only the Grand Oz may speak and has spoken. No awe, illumination , spontaneity or inspiration is allowed. Burn the books,.. burn the ‘divergents’ at the stake,… bow to the consensus, and mob as it is truth and the real. {oops,… just kidding,.. it’s the shepple i worry about,..}

Hivemind

Actually look at the attacks on members of the Trump administration. Hitler had his brownshirts. Now we see the greenshirts in action.

RockyRoad

Actually, they should be called blueshirts. I believe most of the Resistance (now turning to outright Sedition) is being sponsored by blue-waveless Democrats.

Joe Crawford

Looks more like the early stages of the formation of the Red Guard to me, especially when you merge the actions on campus with those of the Antifa.

Percy Jackson

Laura,
Unfortunately the magical money tree only works if you are a banker and then
it is called “Quantitative Easing”. For example the US Federal Reserve has created over 2 Trillion dollars to buy bonds from banks since 2008, the British central bank created about 300 million pounds to do the same and similarly the EU has done so as well. The rich have done extremely well out of this while screwing the rest of us.

ThomasJK

The Federal Reserve (they seem to think) conjures magic dollars of money out of a magic hole in the air via a process of magically stuffing magic dollars of cost into their magic hole in the air and making the magic dollars of cost disappear into cyber space ….. or some other magic place?

Magic money is simply a natural impossibility unless you have dollars of magic cost and magic holes in the air that connect to cyber space to which magic cost can be applied as a suppository or as a laxative so that the magic holes can be ‘unlocked’ and can then ‘move’ magic money to the nation’s commercial banking system……for laundering?

MarkW

Another conspiracist who’s goal is to crucify those who have more than he does.

Sam Pyeatte

To get more wealth the left just prints more money and adds a zero to the value of each domination…a ten dollar bill becomes a hundred…see, it’s easy.

Theodore Moore

First Germany backed off the co2 reductions plans several years ago to use an absolutely horrific fuel for electricity. Now Germany has gotten mealy mouthed about their financial contributions.

“On May 2nd, the federal cabinet adopted the second government draft for the 2018 budget, the key figures decision for 2019 and the financial plan containing guidelines for budget planning and allocations to individual budgets until 2022. It is now becoming clearer what the German government is planning for international climate finance in the coming years, and it’s not looking good. The plans would not only fall short of Chancellor Merkel’s promise to double climate financing by 2020, they would also not amount to a fair overall contribution by Germany toward reaching the international target of $100 billion in annual climate finance. The Bundestag will have to make significant adjustments in the budget discussions.”

from : https://www.germanclimatefinance.de/2018/06/12/climate-finance-germanys-2018-federal-budget-promised-doubling-quietly-dropped/

” that would mean that a drop of 1°C would cost us a mere $4.6 TRILLION DOLLARS ”

We would never make it, because by that time, most of us will be burning scrap wood and whatever we can scrounge just to keep warm as well as heating scrounged food in order to stave off starvation.

Cheers

Roger

http://www.thedemiseofchristchurch.com

ngard2016

Lomborg has covered this before, but it’s also good to see Willis trying to make sense of their mitigation fra-d and con trick.
In fact this is the biggest fra-d of the last hundred years and makes Bernie Madoff look like a choir boy. Even Dr Hansen said that Paris COP 21 is just “BS and fra-d and believing in S&W energy is like believing in the Tooth fairy and the Easter bunny”.
When will they wake up? It’s not like this is difficult to understand.

High Treason

Swallowing BS has become so normalized that when the truth is spoken or printed, it is dismissed because we hear almost entirely total garbage. To spend/waste such massive amounts of money which could go to more useful things like clean water for all humans to give the equivalent of 6-8 inches in altitude is totally absurd.
Yes, there are not even any guarantees that all this money (how convenient that it goes to the rent seekers that bang the drums for the climate change scare) will make the slightest bit of difference.
If you think about it, we just need to grow up(vertically and metaphorically) to achieve that .0015 degrees. Problem solved. Can I have the money? I can think of some really useful things I could do with those billions.

H.R.

High Treason: “[…] that all this money (how convenient that it goes to the rent seekers that bang the drums for the climate change scare) […]”

That’s the tell that it’s all a con.

High Treason

Yes, the fact that those that scream the loudest about catastrophic anthropogenic global warming and the meaningless “climate change” are the ones that stand to rake in massive amounts of money should be getting any sane person asking questions. Equally, the refusal to debate the issue should be alerting people to the massive con. It is a classic tactic of liars and con men to evade scrutiny as well as create an emotive plea to get you to sign on the dotted line before you can ask questions.
It is just so obvious.

Kristi Silber

“To spend/waste such massive amounts of money which could go to more useful things like clean water”

Like
https://www.greenclimate.fund/-/fiji-urban-water-supply-and-wastewater-management-project (This project has 92.3% co-financing)
“The project will strengthen water supply through the design and construction of a new water intake by the River Rewa, with a pumping station, wastewater treatment (WWT) plant, clear water reservoir, and pipeline to increase water production by 30,000 m3 per day. This will improve climate resilience by taking water from further up the river system to avoid salinity. Wastage will be reduced through meter replacement and improved leak detection and repairs. Wastewater management will be strengthened by upgrading and increasing the capacity of the Kinoya WWT plant, improving sewer coverage, and adding new treatment facilities. The project will also strengthen water management and delivery capacity of the responsible institutions.”

or
https://www.greenclimate.fund/-/simiyu-climate-resilient-development-programme
“A holistic approach will be adopted to address these two main drivers for the population’s resilience: sustainable provision of water and farming conditions. The government’s community based adaptation planning will be strengthened, and the climate resilience of water supply infrastructure, sanitation services and agricultural practices will be improved. A community-driven approach will ensure the targeting of the most vulnerable in both the urban and rural population, whilst improving the implementing capacities of local and central government structures.”

Midwest Travler

And these projects, however nice, have what to do with climate? Typical left management. We need money for X or (fill in an apocalyptic ending of your choice)! We spent it on Y, cause it sounded nice. Any you may ask, what about X? Oh yeah, we need more money.

Kristi Silber

Midwest Travler,

If you don’t know, why don’t you look it up? Sure, it’s easier to make assumptions (or listen to someone else do so), but then you never know if you are right or wrong. Be aware if you follow the link Willis provided that he has filtered the results to show only mitigation projects and ignored all the adaptation and “crossover” ones that address both mitigation and adaptation.

Lets reduce CO2 emissions and make money at it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQRQ7S92_lo
The utilities that install the Sidel CCU System will get refunded in full over 10 years.
The CO2 will continue to create full time jobs for many, and with over 90% of the CO2 being removed and transformed, President Trump will be able to show those countries from the Paris Accord that America is doing their part for the environment, and it’s good for America.
Make America Great Again. When we brought this to the DOE in 2014 they rejected this technology. It is affordable and it would be good for the coal industry.

Here’s a far better use for “the precious air fertilizer”:
https://sunshinehours.net/2017/11/11/omg-ha-ha-ha-co2-recycling/
https://euobserver.com/environment/139726

…exactly as envisioned by Dr. Friedrich Riedel nearly a century ago:
http://sealevel.info/1920sciamCO2

joelobryan

The Socialists are EverMore’ers.
When they come up short, as they inevitably always do, their solutions are always that they needed to spend “Ever More” of OPM.

If 40% of GDP didn’t work, then 50%. When (not IF) 50% of GDP doesn’t solve all the Socialist’s claimed societal problem, their solution is of course then try 60% of GDP, and so forth. Because it is really about Power.

Ever more. In the quest of Power for the Few over the Many.

Duncan Smith

But is it on time and on budget? Return on investment (ROI) are the underpinnings of a well run organization. Who are they accountable too, who are their stake holders. I do not see this in their mission statement. Is there a phone number I can call to reach the complaints department?

The purpose of government is to stay in power.

To do that anything beyond the illusion of competence need not be achieved, and even then its only necessary to appear less incompetent than the natural opposition.Or be just competent enough to eliminate them .

Kristi Silber

Try looking beyond the mission statement.

The stakeholders are diverse. Try a search for the word, “stakeholders.”

There’s the Independent Integrity Unit, https://www.greenclimate.fund/independent-integrity-unit#p_p_id_56_INSTANCE_7QbVo0OXy5hN_ There is also the Independent Evaluation Unit https://www.greenclimate.fund/independent-evaluation-unit and the Independent Redress Mechanism, https://www.greenclimate.fund/independent-redress-mechanism – these two have their own websites.

The contact numbers are found under “Contacts” in the description of each program.

John

And the left believes Trump is crazy? He’s the one with common sense to get us out of this madness.

Walter Sobchak

But, the Children!

Gary Pearse

Not the ones dying all around us but the future ones

Kenji

Buried within this wonderful discussion is the SOLUTION to Global Warming! Cities in the Sky! Yes … just like in so many Science Fiction Films … we will simply elevate our cities to escape rising global temperatures. If climbing the stairs can so dramatically reduce temperatures, then let’s start climbing. And don’t forget that Uber is nearly ready to deliver a fleet of flying cars …

We won’t have to worry about the rising tides … and just think of all the Capitalist JOBS that will be created as we elevate our cities into the cooler regions of about 10,000 ft. Above the heat, and above the tonnes of Co2.

PS … knowing that MY President got the US (and my tax dollars) OUT of this faux green boondoggle makes me even MORE pleased to have voted for the BEST US President in my lifetime of 62 years. My President is a …

Cool walking, smooth talking, straight smoking, fire stoking
Cool walking, smooth talking, straight smoking, fire stoking …

President … yeah!

texasjimbrock

This scam has always been about the money.

John F. Hultquist

Thanks Willis. And thanks to the POTUS!

But. There is always a butt.

Greens in the left coast State of Washington have an idea for a fund of their own. They call it a fee, I call these things stealth taxes.
Washington activists and politicians have a grand tradition of not using the word “tax” if at all possible.

WA: I-1631

I-1631 proposes to institute a $15 fee per metric ton of carbon starting in 2020, and an incremental increase of $2 (adjusting for inflation) each year. There are exemptions . . .

pat

3 Jul: ClimateChangeNews: Board meeting turns ‘toxic’ as UN climate fund runs low
Rich and poor country representatives clash over policy priorities and replenishment at Green Climate Fund board meeting
By Megan Darby
With developing countries complaining their priorities were not properly represented, it took nearly two days to agree on the agenda for the meeting.
“I have never served on a board that is this dysfunctional and toxic in my life,” said US representative Geoffrey Okamoto, as the discussion dragged on…

***As well as the US withholding $2bn of its pledge, the pot has lost some $1bn in value due to exchange rate fluctuations since 2014, officials reported…
http://www.climatechangenews.com/2018/07/03/board-meeting-turns-toxic-un-climate-fund-runs-low/

Alan Tomalty

I told an older lady about all this and the fact that East Asia including China’s increases more than negates every other countries’ attempts to mitigate and she said but God told her that we have to do something. When she asked me if I believed in God and I said no, she didn’t want to talk to me anymore.

Barbara

Once the various religious denominations became involved in climate change, this is an example of what can happen.

ozspeaksup

oh ye of little faith;-) roflmao

ferdberple

God told her that we have to do something.
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What is wrong with prayer? I have never heard God say “send money”.

Roger Knights

“God told her that we have to do something.”

Agitate for new forms of nuclear power now and research into fusion power later. And for a switch from oil to natural gas for home heating and big truck fuel. Those will be cost-effective.

Paul Penrose

Must be handy to have a god so vague that you can interpret his words in any way you please.

feliksch

Seriously: It is difficult for God (or high spirits) to reach people, but it happens once in a long while. He certainly would not be so vague – quite the contrary. He would give simple, down-to-earth, understandable advice. First he would try to educate the recipient – slowly and patiently. This first step usually is also the only one, as people are stubborn, prejudiced, etc..
More important than that, God doesn’t interfere with the follies of fallen man (like the Climate-scam). To people who nearly despair of the stupidity of all that he might lend an ear though.

http://www.climatechangenews.com/2018/07/03/board-meeting-turns-toxic-un-climate-fund-runs-low/
“Board meeting turns ‘toxic’ as UN climate fund runs low”

Ah, sweet schadenfreude!

Poor, starving babies, only “$2.8 billion left” in the piggy bank. How tragic.

Hansen et al 1988 says, “A warming of 0.5°C… implies typically a poleward shift of isotherms by 50 to 75 km…”

I think that’s a bit high, but if we accept that estimate then 0.0015°C of warming would be equivalent to a poleward shift of isotherms of (50 to 75) km × (0.0015°C / 0.5°C) = (0.150 to 0.225) km = 492 to 738 feet, which is about two typical city blocks.

Greg

When President Trump pulled the US out of the Paris Climate Agreement, he also pulled us out of paying any additional money to the so-called “Green Climate Fund” (GCF)

Willis, you are usually keen on accuracy. You should amend this totally wrong statement that Trump has pulled anyone out of Paris Agreement. He has so far done NOTHING written or legal to that end. He has just said US “will be” pulling out, and that was now rather a long time ago that he said it.

The part about the Green slush fund is correct and is probably the most important but that is just a policy change which can be reverted just as easily in the future by him or any future president.

markl

“He has so far done NOTHING written or legal to that end.” He doesn’t have to. He doesn’t agree. There is nothing binding in this “agreement” to address by the United States which he represents. No legal ramifications. If they expect something more they need to ask Obama.

TDBraun

I think all the fireworks we are shooting off tonight just canceled out what that $6.9 billion bought… 😉

Gary Pearse

A dollar is about 15 cm long. The distance to the sun from earth is some 15 trillion cm, so a trillion dollar bills end to end would reach the sun. So the cost of that 1C, if in fact CO2 works that way, would be a ribbon of dollars two return trips earth to sun and back to Mercury in length. The 7.2 billion would make a ribbon of dollars a million km long, enough to wrap around the equator 25 times. Even the small number could have been used for some projects to make a difference in the 3rd World.

ferdberple

So if we simply stood on top of all the dollars spent the change in altitude would have provided the same amount of cooling.

John Endicott

The same or even greater amount of cooling.

Herbert

I think it is generally agreed that on NASA GISS figures the world is warming at the rate of 0.13 degrees Celsius per decade.
Ocean warming is a fraction of that.
Unless Global Warming comes out of the blocks like Usain Bolt in the next few decades, the world can spend $nil and still come in well under an increase of 1.5 degrees Celsius by 2050.
Am I deluded here?
Has the contrary view taken hold namely that we will pass a “tipping point” and have runaway CAGW?
Who believes this?

A C Osborn

The 1.5 degrees Celsius by 2050 is from the start of the Industrial Revolution and it has already gone up by 0.8 degrees Celsius, ( at least 0.6 due to “Adjustments”, which we are not allowed to talk about), so there is only 0.7 degrees Celsius to go before 2050.

jeanparisot

If it does warm suddenly, without a substantial increase in water vapor, wouldn’t that invalidate the carbon based AGW hypothesis as well.

Tired Old Nurse

How is CO2 weighed? That is… is weight derived by volume of gas at some set temperature or as if it were a liquid? And are the measurements consistent across the world? Do the different countries get to decide how to measure their CO2 emissions?

Co2 is weighed like anything else. On a scale or set of scales effectively. Weight is not derived from volume but from number of molecules. What space they occupy or whether they are liquid solid or a gas does not alter their weight (measurably).

Percy Jackson

Surely it is worth putting these numbers in context
The US contribution was nearly 4 billion. The US’s GDP was 18 Trillion in 2016
while the government’s deficit is about 1 Trillion. So a 4 billion contribution is
a drop in the bucket that would not be noticed. Similarly the global GDP is currently
about 76 Trillion so again actually a spend of 4.6 Trillion is also actually a fairly low
number. You can think of it as being about 5 years worth of US government deficit or
alternatively it is equal to about 5 times the annual cost of the US military.

Furthermore much of that 4.6 trillion would go on providing jobs for people around the
world and so would not be wasted.

John Dilks

It would be wasted if spent on the wrong jobs.

Tired Old Nurse

I have no obligation (per my tax dollars) to provide jobs for anyone anywhere. I don’t want a dime to go to the fund, much less billions. I came to WUWT I an attempt to make sense of the climate change howls and I stand convinced that it is all a scam. I will not willingly contribute to the scam.

Red94ViperRT10

If the only purpose is to make jobs, take away their shovels and give them spoons.

HotScot

Red94ViperRT10

That’s precisely what renewables offer. I believe it takes 70 renewable employees to produce the same energy as a single coal worker.

Job creation on steroids.

MarkW

You seem to be suffering from the delusion that government spending creates jobs.
It doesn’t. At the absolute best it just moves jobs from one part of the economy to another.
Same with tariffs, they just take jobs from the unfavored parts of the economy and move then to those that have the ear of politicians.

Paul Penrose

You would be better off spending that money employing people to dig holes and then fill them up again, over and over. At least that would not waste precious resources building windmill and solar farms that only destabilize the power grids they are connected to. Not that I’m an advocate of such an expenditure since that would be a colossal waste of human labor as well as a form of government welfare. And I can think of a few million taxpayers that would love to have those billions back in their pockets. Your defense of this sounds a lot like Nancy Pelosi’s “crumbs” remark. Elitist and arrogant.

John Hardy

Even FoE (not my favourite organisation) are pretty critical of the GCF – for their own reasons of course: https://1bps6437gg8c169i0y1drtgz-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/GCFperformanceCheck_V6_Final.pdf

Thank you for that FoS document, John Hardy.

It’s great comic relief. Here’s one of the FoE’s complaints:

  The quality of the treatment of gender varies greatly. Thirty per cent of projects and programmes approved so far lack an easily accessible, publicly available stand-alone gender assessment, and 40 per cent lack stand-alone gender action plans. Even in cases where a gender action plan is articulated, insufficient budget is often allocated to achieve its goals. …
  The GCF, as the first multilateral climate fund to include a gender mainstreaming objective from the outset of its operation, could become a global pioneer in its approach to integrate gender responsiveness into all its financing. …

You really can’t make this stuff up. It astonishes me that a lot of leftists really do think[sic] that way.

Intersectional feminist post-dialectical assemblage criticism of science as a racist, colonialist social construct.
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It’s no wonder that they never get anything useful done.

Paul Penrose

The bottom row on the classroom screen is so ironic: “Words have meaning”; this is after demolishing the meaning of words which have been in the vocabulary for centuries. I guess they take the Humpty-Dumpty view.

Clare Swift

Fantastic article – thank you! I’m planning to do some non-commercial motion graphic video’s (mainly for YT) picking apart the Gorebal warming fanatics claims – Do you have any problems with me essential ‘animating this article’? Full credit & links will be given. Happy to send you a preview of it before I post to YT

Nice! Are you thinking of something like the PragerU series, but with longer run-times?
http://prageru.com/playlists/what-science-reveals-about-climate-change

What’s your YouTube channel?

I’m curious: what tool(s) do you use to make your videos, Clare?

clare swift

Weird – only now does your reply show up. I had tried to reply to the notification email
but couldn’t see your reply here..so I posted a new comment addressed To Whom It May Concern. Anyway, here it is my reply in case you missed it

Are you thinking of something like the PragerU series, but with longer run-times? – Yes, more than happy for suggestions of style/content, etc

What tool(s) do you use to make your videos?
MAYA (for character modelling & rigging – a control system so the character can be animated) plus Redshift for GPU rendering
3D COAT (UV & texturing – basically the coloring-in bit)
VUE (realistic 3D landscape/environments)
Adobe CC Suite (After Effects/Prem Pro/Potatoshop, etc)
Affinity Designer (because I hate Potatoshop)

What’s your YouTube channel? Currently I’ve just posted a few technical rigging tutorials which are of no relevance or interest to anyone here. But, once I’ve finished my doc (my first) then I’ve got to figure out what to do – create a channel solely about Gorebal warming, etc because I’ intend to create a long running series of them or post them along with all the other vid’s I intend to make on random topics such as Off-grid life-hacks, soap-making, etc.

Clare wrote, “Weird – only now does your reply show up. I had tried to reply to the notification email   but couldn’t see your reply here..”

Interesting! I didn’t realize that notifications of replies get emailed BEFORE moderators approve a moderated comment.

The reason you didn’t initially see my reply comment is that, for some reason, it triggered “moderation.”

Moderators, do you know what the trigger was?
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The usual trigger is having four or more links in a comment. I’ve learned how to subvert that trigger, {bwahaha!}…
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…but I don’t know what triggered it this time.

I think it used to be possible to trigger moderation on purpose, by using the word “moderators” in a comment, but that apparently doesn’t work on this new system.

clare swift

lol!!! There’s me thinking I was being a bit dumb – surely if I’ve got email notification then the comment must exist or does it?

Herbert

Willis,
According to Bloomberg, the head of the Green Climate Fund, a former Australian diplomat called Howard Bamsey has just resigned after a “ disappointing” meeting of the Fund in which no new projects were approved.
One commentator says this is “ a low point “ for the organisation but hopes this is the “ canary in the coal mine” and not “ the nail in the coffin”!

Robber

But, but, doesn’t it feel good to be saving the planet, as long as it’s not my money. Oh wait it is! This is really about global government, so who gets the most votes, and the money?

HotScot

Robber

Ah!

You spotted the fatal flaw in their plan.

No one gets to vote, that’s how Christina Figueres’s new political system works, not that she’s described how her new global politics works, but she want’s to scrap Capitalism.

jmorpuss

“Don’t throw good money after bad!”
Hi Willis, couldn’t agree more with the above statement . Here’s some other spending that could go to a better cause.
” In the decade following Sept. 11, 2001, military spending increased 50 percent, adjusted for inflation. In comparison, spending on every other non-military program – things like education, health care, public transit, and science –grew by only 13.5 percent over the same time period”
https://www.nationalpriorities.org/campaigns/how-military-spending-has-changed/

“The U.S. outpaces all other nations in military expenditures. World military spending totaled more than $1.6 trillion in 2015. The U.S. accounted for 37 percent of the total.
U.S. military expenditures are roughly the size of the next seven largest military budgets around the world, combined.”
https://www.nationalpriorities.org/campaigns/us-military-spending-vs-world/

Willis, When America is at war who runs the show, the military or the government?

HotScot

jmorpuss

Are you suggesting democracy isn’t worth defending?

And whilst there is no evidence whatsoever that justifies spending a penny on climate change, it’s clear that military spending is justified by radical Islamic aggression around the world, which the USA takes seriously.

jmorpuss

HotShot
Democracy meaning “Rule of the people” sounds like the people are in control , but wait, if you look up the meaning for the word “rule” it means “to control” So what democracy really means is “control of the people”.
And what do you think happens to all the out of date weapons the US military has produced over the years???
“When President Obama announced US airstrikes in Iraq, most observers understood that the US would be bombing members of ISIS. What many did not know was that, in a twist of such bitterly symbolic irony that it could only occur in the Middle East, the US would also be bombing hundreds of millions of dollars worth of American military equipment.

Here’s why: in the decade since the 2003 US-led Iraq invasion, the US has spent a fortune training and arming the Iraqi army in the hopes of readying it to secure the country once America left. That meant arming the Iraqi army with high-tech and extremely expensive American-made guns, tanks, jeeps, artillery, and more. ”
https://www.vox.com/2014/8/8/5982501/the-us-is-now-bombing-its-own-military-equipment-in-iraq

One thing the US military needs is conflict to justify it’s spending and i put it to you that the US military create conflicts around the world so their people wont question their spending .
“This is a list of the world’s largest arms manufacturers and other military service companies who profit the most from the War economy, their origin is shown as well. The information is based on a list published by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute for 2015.[17][18][19][20][21] The list provided by the SIPRI excludes companies based in China.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_industry

HotScot

jmorpuss

Irrespective of your demented interpretation of democracy, it’s the manifestation of it that’s important, you know, real life stuff. You might want to read Samuel Adams Speech to help you understand.

Why look! Imagine that, Anthony posted a copy of it yesterday: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/07/04/199977/

And there you go, off on the tired old conspiracy theory that America creates wars in order to send Haliburton in and profit from international aid to reconstruct. Then go in and bomb the equipment they provided to the Iraqi army to get more money, somehow?

The Americans undoubtedly bombed their own equipment, which is what the Russians should have done in Afghanistan, but didn’t. They just left untold equipment there which the Mujahideen put to good use, then Al-Qaeda, to turn the region into a poverty stricken wasteland.

To ship all the American equipment out of Iraq would have taken a huge logistical effort, over an extended period of time, during which much of it would have been pilfered. With the expense and risk involved, it was deemed prudent to destroy rather than recover the equipment. Perhaps not demonstrably economical on a spreadsheet, but then a spreadsheet doesn’t account for the wholesale damage that equipment would have caused had it fallen into the wrong hands. Not to mention the opportunity to be sold to, and reverse engineered by, opportunistic foreign governments.

Frankly, your contention that America deliberately wages war to profit from destruction is utterly preposterous. WW2 would have been an ideal opportunity, yet the US refused to join the UK in Europe fighting Hitler, until RMS Lusitania was sunk by a German U Boat with 128 American citizen deaths. And the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbour, remember?

Then there was the lend – lease program. At it’s own risk, and with only the principles of civilisation as justification, America lent the UK $31.4 billion (equivalent to $427 billion today) which was only paid off in 2006.

Your treacherous beliefs insult the memory of every ally soldier who fought to defend your right to make insane propositions.

And there’s a much easier way of generating wealth to cover military spending, it’s called Capitalism, and free trade, which America used to be very good at.

Roger Knights

“the US refused to join the UK in Europe fighting Hitler, until RMS Lusitania was sunk by a German U Boat ”

Eh?

HotScot

Roger Knights

“Eh?” what?

MarkW

The sinking of the Lusitania brought the US into the first world war.
Hitler was only a corporal at that time.
It was the bombing of Pearl Harbor that brought the US into WWII.
And even then we probably wouldn’t have gotten involved in the European theater if Hitler hadn’t declared war on us.

HotScot

MarkW

Yep, my mistake. My two brain cells tripping over each other.

Roger Knights

“The sinking of the Lusitania brought the US into the first world war.”

Nope, that occurred in 1915. What got the U.S. into WW1 was the release of the Zimmerman telegram (intercepted and decoded by the Brits) in 1917, which offered Mexico assistance in regaining its lost lands in the U.S. SW.

Saved me some time there…

jmorpuss

HotShot Ends his rant with
And there’s a much easier way of generating wealth to cover military spending, it’s called Capitalism, and free trade, which America used to be very good at.

“The ties between slavery and capitalism in the United States weren’t always crystal clear in our history books. For a long time, historians mostly depicted slavery as a regional institution of cruelty in the South, and certainly not the driver of broader American economic prosperity. ”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/hbsworkingknowledge/2017/05/03/the-clear-connection-between-slavery-and-american-capitalism/#445d95d07bd3

Debt, Underemployment, and Capitalism

The Rise of Twenty-First-Century Serfdom

“Working classes, en masse, have been corralled into legalized systems of education debt with false promises of “middle-class” lifestyles, only to be tossed into a job market that can no longer keep up with the system’s inherent deficits and inability to provide a living wage to the masses. Massive inequality and unprecedented wealth accumulation and concentration have paralleled uncontrollable costs of living and widespread housing insecurity for the working-class majority.”
http://newpol.org/content/debt-underemployment-and-capitalism

Serfdom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serfdom

HotScot

jmorpuss

Oh dear. You deem to drag the subject further off topic to make a point, then introduce a magazine article to reinforce that point.

There’s a clue there, magazine articles don’t go down very well on this blog. It is devoted to science after all.

However, I will respond by saying that, it’s my understanding that the Klu Klux Klan was the brainchild of the Democratic party. That benevolent institution you seem to apportion with generosity and moralistic values. That socialist institution you admire which conforms to the same values as Venezuela, and innumerable other poverty riven countries who imagine that the state spending Other Peoples Money is a good idea. States that are internationally renowned for government corruption and citizen subjugation.

But that’s OK, because my parents and grandparents fought for your right to express your opinions. But try going to Venezuela and expressing those sentiments and I expect you would return to a free democracy a humbled man, if you returned at all.

I’m not sure about your country (I assume you’re American) but one of the greatest contemporary leaders of the UK, Margaret Thatcher, and her Conservative successors, left our country with a positive bank balance. The socialist government, which followed her, headed by Tony Blair, not only spunked all that money in his term as PM, but spunked much, much more, so much so that the whole country was groaning under immense debt.

Your term “Debt, Underemployment, and Capitalism The Rise of Twenty-First-Century Serfdom” defines the left, not the right. Witness Zimbabwe; Mugabie, a self proclaimed Marxist kicked out the colonial style white farmers and embarked on his destructive way. In, from memory, 1998, inflation was at a horrendous 35% (or so, exact figures escape me) and by 2015 inflation had risen to 11,000,000%. Yes, you read it right, eleven million percent. Today, there is 80% unemployment.

Please describe to me, or illustrate, where capitalism has ever done that badly?

Your description of working class servitude has been drawn from an amateurish, far left website you should realise, is extreme.

Evidently, you haven’t even read the description of Serfdom, from your own link, the first lines describe it thus:

“Serfdom is the status of many peasants under feudalism, specifically relating to manorialism. It was a condition of bondage, which developed primarily during the High Middle Ages in Europe and lasted in some countries until the mid-19th century.”

Read on and you will find: “The United Nations 1956 Supplementary Convention on the Abolition of Slavery also prohibits serfdom as a form of slavery.”

I don’t know whether you noticed or not, but the western world abandoned feudalism as a bad idea many years ago.

You are tossing about terms you don’t understand in the hope that some will stick, and you look clever.

And a little advice. If you want to insult me, the means by which to do so is to win an argument. Then I’ll be forced to apologise to you.

I could refer to you as jmorpussy, but I couldn’t possibly be that crass. It demeans me more than you.

I thank you for your indulgence.

That’s ridiculous nonsense, jmorpuss. The U.S. military doesn’t “create conflicts around the world,” and certainly didn’t create the wars in and around Iraq.

The main reason that American-made weapons found their way into ISIS hands is by ISIS capturing them from the retreating Iraqi Army. That happened because, when ISIS invaded Iraq, our leftist leadership, i.e., President Obama, refused to provide our Iraqi allies with the air support that they desperately needed, to repel the invasion.

Under President Bush, the United States had spent a fortune building up a modern Army to defend the nascent democracy in Iraq. However, we didn’t build them an air force to support their army. That’s because they wouldn’t need an air force, since if their army ever needed air support they’d get it from the aircraft carriers of the U.S. Fifth and Sixth Fleets.

But they didn’t get it, because our pothead commander-in-chief refused to authorize it.

My mind is still boggled by the fact that in 2014, when ISIS was overrunning much of Iraq, and the headless bodies of our friends and allies were piling up along streets in conquered towns, and the retreating Iraqi army desperately, desperately needed American air support, Obama… took a vacation. As the ISIL blitzkrieg progressed, Obama jetted to North Dakota, where he visited a Sioux Reservation. Then it was on to a California fundraiser, and a visit and golf with some gay friends in Palm Springs. Then he weighed in on the argument over how to pronounce “gif.”

Apparently, no crisis was severe enough to make Obama take his job seriously. What could account for such astonishing dysfunction? That’s when I began to wonder whether he ever really gave up the choom.

MarkW

The US spends more for defense than do other countries because we have more to defend.

These are the projects that are supposed to reduce the amount of CO2 emitted. To date, there have been 22 of them, with a total funding (GCF + other public and private) of $6.9 billion dollars.

And according to their undoubtedly rosy predictions of CO2 saved by windmills, solar panels, building insulation, and the like, all of the projects together will save just under two gigatonnes (Gt) of CO2. Two billion tonnes! That’s a huge weight of CO2 … but what does that all mean?

First you have to convert Gt CO2 to Gt C.

2 GtCO2 / 3.67 = 0.545 Gt C

$6.9 billion / 0.545 billion tonnes = $12.66/tonne

What’s a tonne of carbon worth?

As a default position, OMB Circular A-94 states that a real discount rate of 7 percent should be used as a base-case for regulatory analysis. The 7 percent rate is an estimate of the average before-tax rate of return to private capital in the U.S. economy…

https://www.transportation.gov/sites/dot.gov/files/docs/OMB%20Circular%20No.%20A-4.pdf

(We generally use a 10% discount rate to value proved oil reserves.)

At a real world 7% discount rate, a tonne of carbon is worth…

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https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/03/15/discounting-away-the-social-cost-of-carbon-the-fast-lane-to-undoing-obamas-climate-regulations/

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Or less.

Phil Rae

Brilliant, Willis! As somebody else pointed out, Bjorn Lomborg has made similar calculations in the past and used them to highlight the profligate waste and stupidity of this whole CAGW scam. However, your numbers and comparisons really nail the issue and gave me a good start to my day. I wish Clare the best in producing her video and hope it will find its way to WUWT for us all to enjoy…..and to the wider world, so more people can see what this UN sponsored theft is all about! Great article!

clare swift

Thanks, Phil. If I’m allowed to post them here on WUWT, then I will – got a few more weeks on my current doc to finish first

Oatley

Willis, if you’re ever in Eastern Ohio, you need to stop by. We gather around the lakeside fire pit seeking answers to the great questions. You’d be a hit. Oh, and bring Anthony.

Carbon Bigfoot

Mods getting that ” page can not be displayed” message again-thought you should know.

clare swift

To Whom It May Concern
I received an email notification about a reply to a Comment I had posted yet oddly I don’t see the original reply to my post in the comment section (am I being a bit dumb?) so I don’t who it was but they asked me…

Are you thinking of something like the PragerU series, but with longer run-times? – Yes

What tool(s) do you use to make your videos?
MAYA (for character modelling & rigging – a control system so the character can be animated) plus Redshift for GPU rendering
3D COAT (UV & texturing – basically the coloring-in bit)
VUE (realistic 3D landscape/environments)
Adobe CC Suite (After Effects/Prem Pro/Potatoshop, etc)
Affinity Designer (because I hate Potatoshop)

What’s your YouTube channel? Currently I’ve just posted a few technical rigging tutorials which are of no relevance or interest to anyone here. But, once I’ve finished my doc (my first) then I’ve got to figure out what to do – create a channel solely about Gorebal warming, etc because I’ intend to create a long running series of them or post them along with all the other vid’s I intend to make on random topics such as Off-grid life-hacks, soap-making, etc.

paqyfelyc

” a drop of 1°C would cost us a mere $4.6 TRILLION DOLLARS “
Well, if this actually worked, if we really could control climate and temperature, $4600 billions dollar is certainly huge, but a fair price. I mean : $500 per inhabitant, which could be invested in a few decades ? What bargain.
Where to I sign to INCREASE temperature. 5° seems fair to me.

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7

that would mean that a drop of 1°C would cost us a mere $4.6 TRILLION DOLLARS … with absolutely no guarantee of success.

At the contribution ratio of the Green Climate Fund so far, how much of that would come from the US? Some people credit President Reagan with precipitating the collapse of the Soviet Union by forcing them to undertake new military spending they couldn’t afford. I think the communists of the world learned their lesson and are returning the complement.

honest liberty

Alan Watt from, THE Alan Watt from Cutting through the Matrix?
If so, many thanks for all your incredible work!

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7

Sorry; I don’t understand the reference, so almost certainly not.

Steve O

Years ago an editorial in the WSJ noted that the Kyoto accords would cost an estimated $10 Trillion. The benefit would be a six year delay in the temperature trend. That is, we would hit the same temperature level, but it would be six years later.

This is a better way to frame the discussion than in talking about “degrees of temperature reduced.” We have a natural warming trend that is going to continue, driven by both natural and man made causes. When you frame the discussion this way, it becomes more obvious how futile are all these proposed expensive gestures. Even if someone accepts all the bad predictions of the most fearful CAGW proponents, that still doesn’t mean that we should take any expensive steps to prevent or to mitigate our own contributions to warming, whatever they may be.

If adjusting to a warming world will be expensive, then we can’t afford to have expended all our resources on expensive measures that were doomed to be futile and ineffective from the start. All these green energy prevention initiatives are illogical, even if you accept the mantra of AGW.

Earl Rodd

I wonder if the calculations of changes in CO2 emissions included the entire supply chain of the new projects? If these new projects replaced existing facilities, which are now idle, then the entire CO2 production of the supply chain needs to count. If the new projects are new capacity, then the difference in CO2 production in the supply chain vs. CO2 production in the supply chain of the, for example, fossil fuel, alternative count. Since renewable power generally costs more than fossil fuel power (or nuclear), and since the price of things often is closely related to the energy needed to make it, one wonders.

jeanparisot

How could we spend $7B to raise the CO2 levels to 800-1200ppmv? We know that will have a positive impact on agriculture and food security.

pat

lol.

4 Jul: ClimateChangeNews: UN climate fund chief resigns for personal reasons while board meeting collapses
In a dramatic conclusion to a meeting that failed to approve any finance for the developing world, Howard Bamsey announced his exit from the Green Climate Fund.
By Megan Darby
Howard Bamsey resigned as executive director of the Green Climate Fund (GCF) with immediate effect on Wednesday, in a bombshell finish to a fraught board meeting…
It came as the four-day meeting in Songdo, South Korea collapsed with no decisions on 11 funding bids worth nearly $1 billion, or on how to top up the flagship climate finance initiative’s dwindling resources…

US representative Geoffrey Okamoto said it should be “donor-driven”, to the chagrin of development campaigners.
President Donald Trump is refusing to honour an outstanding $2bn US pledge to the fund.
“The gall of the Trump guy to say #GCFund replenishment process should be donor driven. Guess he’ll just sit down and shut up then,” tweeted Action Aid’s Brandon Wu…
http://www.climatechangenews.com/2018/07/04/un-climate-fund-chief-resigns-personal-reasons-board-meeting-collapses/

Poor Richard, retrocrank

Wow, sure makes me want to reach for my wallet and “help out.”

Reminds of the famous direct mail offer: Double your IQ or none of your money back!

Or, alternatively, the mad carpenter: “I’ve cut this board three times, and it’s still too short.”

ferdberple

$4.6 TRILLION DOLLARS
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That estimate is probably much too low because it assumes costs are linear. But they are likely exponential as the UN fund is likely going after the low hanging fruit first.

ferdberple

The cost to eliminate CO2 completely is likely 10 K to 100 K per person. With pop projected to peak at 10 billion people we are looking at 100 to 1000 trillion dollars to decarbonize the world.

That would take between 1000 and 10,000 years if the 100 billion per year UN climate fund was fully funded and on the job.

Given that actual funding is just a tiny fraction of what was promised the job can be expected to take even longer.

eyesonu

Excellent post Willis!

It seems that you have dropped a “nuclear dry ice bomb” on the Green Climate Fund. How can there be any chance of survival?

Edwin

The Left has long been into wealth redistribution. Internal redistribution in many western democracies are a variety of social programs. Today most of that money is redistributed from those that work and produce to those that don’t but a large percentage to government bureaucrats. The other form of wealth distribution, international redistribution, starts with the belief by those on the left that every western democracy got wealthy exploiting and taking advantage of third world or less economically advanced countries. There have been many international wealth redistribution programs, e.g., the Marshall Plan, foreign aid, the UN, etc. Today it is unfettered technology transfer, allowing countries like China to move from 1930s technology to 21st Century tech in a few decades instead of centuries. Yet the big one today is of course “fighting” the evils of global warming. The Left in the west see such wealth redistribution as deserved or proper punishment of the west due to the evil doings of the past and as an opportunity to bring capitalism to its knees.

RPT

But there is a simple solution to the 0.0015°C problem which was pointed out at a Paris Accord follow-up meeting in Berlin; much more money.

However the devil is in the details, it is so tedious (the exact word they used) to set up a system for the distribution of this huge amount of money. But this brilliant committee had a simple solution to this unfortunate challenge:

They would simply give the money to the green NGOs, because they had the organization required to solve this vast problem.

Marcus

“They would simply give the money to the green NGOs, because they had the organization required to solve this vast problem.”

Kinda like the wolf guarding the hen house …D’OH !

Murphy Slaw

Willis, that essay was just too good!

Great. A change that you can calculate but never measure, the climate warrior equivalent of counting the number of angels on the head of a pin. Once again, you demonstrate that this is a religious rather than a scientific argument. Think of payments to the Green Climate Fund as modern day indulgences to the Church of Global warming. Cheers –

Steven Zell

So if the outside temperature drops by 0.0015 C for climbing 1/20 of a flight of stairs, will the greenies give me $6.9 billion the next time I take a step up?

This could become very lucrative for mountain climbers!

Thanks for pointing out the futility with such simplicity. I had not worked out the numbers the way you have, but my intuition has informed me that the Green Climate Fund was, and has always been, a green crock.

Send a copy of your figures to the UN, with a note to have some of their “experts” confirm the numbers. Yeah, right, like anybody will pay any attention to that. When a mission statement requires human fault, too many jobs and too much status stand to be lost by going against that mission statement.

Clearly, the whole scene has veered far, far away from sound reasoning, moving ever more furiously towards sound bites to reinforce those jobs and status.

Political Junkie

Robert,

I have spent a great deal of time trying to get my Provincial (Ontario) and Federal governments to tell me what numerical relationship between emissions and temperature they are using to cost-justify and monitor the effectiveness of ‘environmental’ programs.

No state secret is guarded more carefully than this!

GaelanCLark

Hello Willis, You wrote an article years ago that I still reference….it was called something like “How much would you buy”….if my memory serves me correctly you estimated in that article that it would cost 1200 Trillion dollars to mitigate 2 degrees Celsius…now though, quoting from above numbers it is roughly 9.2 Trillion to mitigate 2 degrees Celsius,

How has this number changed so dramatically?

Coeur de Lion

One can look up the Green Fund salary structure – minimum is $75K running to six figures and they complain about being short handed. Me me me …. I’m here!!