Climate Fanatic Demands "Regulatory Hell" to Drag Everyone Else into His Misery

William T. Vollmann

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

h/t James Delingpole / Breitbart / Willie Soon – according to climate novelist William T. Vollmann, compulsion and coercion is the only way to convince people to comply with his climate ideals.

“Are we prepared to endure lives with less comfort?”: William T. Vollmann on climate change.

The famous novelist and journalist has a new two-volume tome on climate change.

By Eric Allen Been Apr 19, 2018, 8:40am EDT

“For a long time I was a climate change denier,” says author, journalist, and war correspondent William T. Vollmann. “I didn’t want to be stressed out by something that might someday affect people after I’m dead.”

And yet for Vollmann — a brilliant, idiosyncratic writer whom some have described as a plausible candidate for the winner of the Nobel Prize in Literature — the reality of climate change has become a personal obsession. Last week, he released the first volume of a sprawling, two-volume polemic called Carbon Ideologies. Titled No Immediate Danger, it explores in more than 600 pages how our society is bound to the ideology of energy consumption. Addressed to humans living in a “hot dark future,” the book is highly technical, chock-full of tables, studies, and hundreds of Vollmann’s own photos.

Vollmann traveled the globe for years reporting for this project, going so far as to self-finance after his publisher’s patience wore thin. “I spent my own money,” he writes, “and occasionally other people’s, to hike up strip-mined mountains, sniff crude oil, and occasionally tan my face with gamma rays.

There are things that that can be done and maybe won’t be done if somebody says, “Well, it’s going to cost too much money to make that change.” Then what do you say? Do you say, “Well, we’re going to make you do it at a loss”? Or do we say, “All right, we’re going to give you money to help you change”? I can’t pretend to have an answer about stuff like that. All I can do is say, well, there are lots and lots of problems.

It’s not just what some consumer does at home. It’s niggling little issues that add up. In Japan, roughly 50 percent or so of all the methane emissions — and that’s one of the three most dangerous greenhouse gases — are caused by rice growing. All this stuff that seems so innocuous. It seems to me that you have to drag people into some kind of regulatory hell, unfortunately. Maybe there’s a better way to do it, but I don’t see one.

Read more: https://www.vox.com/conversations/2018/4/19/17254166/climate-change-earth-day-april-2018-carbon-ideologies

Can you imagine what the world would be like with people like Vollmann in charge?

Vollmann is the real deal – according to the VOX article, at one point the police suspected him of being the Unabomber, because of the hardline anti-growth and anti-development themes of Vollmann’s writing.

0 0 votes
Article Rating
334 Comments
Oldest
Newest Most Voted
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
Editor
April 21, 2018 5:22 pm

Vollman asks “Are we prepared to endure lives with less comfort?” This is what in my house is called a “First World Problem”. People down at the bottom of the global economic ladder get shafted by plans like Vollman’s. My take on this elitist sickness is here.
w.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  Eric Worrall
April 21, 2018 8:28 pm

Eric, judging by the comments, your except has give a very different view of Vollman than the article does. Do you have good reason for distorting his image? Or is he just a tool to you? Or do you believe your excerpt is a fair summary of his views? That itself would be significant.

Alan Tomalty
Reply to  Eric Worrall
April 21, 2018 9:45 pm

Kristi
What part of the following Vollman quote do you not understand? I thought you have an undergraduate degree. I guess it wasn’t in English?
“It seems to me that you have to drag people into some kind of regulatory hell, unfortunately.”

gnomish
Reply to  Eric Worrall
April 21, 2018 10:14 pm

kristi is right.
i read that article.
in the article cited the person makes no demands at all. he is explicitly not making any suggestions.
worral is showing great disrespect to thinking people with this clickbait garbage.
eric- your attempts to elicit the dog-whistle reactions work only on dogs.
is that what you think we are, here?
that is just as if not more obnoxious than any climate psychopath.
your manipulation is crude and implies an estimate of your audience i believe is seriously insulting.
lewandowski is far more adept at this than you are.
you are not in his league. give it up.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
April 22, 2018 12:38 am

Kristi Silber;
your except has give a very different view of Vollman than the article does.
I read the article. Putting aside for a moment that climbing strip mined mountains provides exactly zero value in understanding climate change and it a total red herring, let’s examine the main thrust of his position in more detail:
Are we prepared to endure lives with less comfort and maybe less safety? Are we going to be hard-asses and deny people in the Third World the ability to achieve the level of comfort that we’ve achieved? These are very, very powerful inducements to continue the train of behavior that we currently follow. Those are our ideological underpinnings, if you like.
Eric Allen Been
And yet you believe those ideological underpinnings are wrongheaded?
William T. Vollmann
Unfortunately, that’s what I think.

So there you have it. He thinks comfort, safety and allowing the third world to have what we have is “wrongheaded”. He would condemn us to be poor and the poor to be starved. But the most hilarious part of the interview (tough to find humour in such an inhumane point of view, but its there):
One of my Japanese translators gave up writing to me since she sent me six letters in one year and I never got one.
I believe that my mail is still delayed, intercepted, and sometimes not given to me.

Really Kristi? This guy’s claiming someone is intercepting his mail? Do you really think that ANY spy agency is so incompetent that when they intercept someone’s mail they are too stupid to pass it along as if it was untouched so as not to expose the fact that they are intercepting mail? But beyond that Kristi, when was the last time you actually put a personal letter in an envelope, put a stamp on it, and put it in the mail?
The whole interview is full of obvious bull sh*t. A shameless self promoter who thinks less safety and a permanently destitute 3rd world are good things. The notion that we have to destroy humanity to save humanity by dragging humanity into regulatory h*ll is just… wrongheaded.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
April 22, 2018 2:08 am

One of my Japanese translators gave up writing to me since she sent me six letters in one year and I never got one.
Then how did he find out she sent him six letters? She stopped writing to him after all, so how would he know she sent any? Unless of course she told him on the phone or via email. If via email, why was she sending him letters in the first place instead of email? If by phone, why the h*ll would she go six unanswered letters in a row before calling to find out why they weren’t being answered? Wouldn’t she do that after two or at the most three? And how, exactly, was she able to act as a translator without being able to communicate with him? Only non-translation related mail was intercepted? Seriously? And why is he complaining about mail sent to him being intercepted but not mail that HE sent being intercepted? If you were spying on someone because you thought they might be up to no good, which would be more interesting to you? The mail people send to that person, or the things that person said in the mail they sent?
If it looks like bullsh*t, sounds like bullsh*t, smells like bullsh*t, its probably a good idea not to taste it because its probably bullsh*t.

F. Leghorn
Reply to  Eric Worrall
April 22, 2018 2:36 am

Kristi.
. “I didn’t want to be stressed out by something that might someday affect people after I’m dead
That is not a skeptic, that is a bad person.

hunter
Reply to  Eric Worrall
April 22, 2018 3:12 am

Kristi,
Why are you trolling?
I read the article and Vollman comes across as a long winded eco-imperialist kook.
He is explicitly pushing ideology, not science. He seeks, for the best if reasons of course, to impose suffering on others.
The FBI likely followed him because he is a kook, not simoly because he writes similar to the unabomber.
My luggage has also been damaged in travel and it did not require a conspiracy theory to explain why.
You are welcome to intepret this long winded wack job as you wish, but don’t bs yourself by confuding your opinion with fact.
“Carbon ideology” is called “life”, by the way:
All life is based on carbon. To be against carbon is to be against life.

ЯΞ√ΩLUT↑☼N
Reply to  Eric Worrall
April 22, 2018 3:19 am

“For a long time I was a climate change denier,” says author, journalist, and war correspondent William T. Vollmann.

Yeh.. Until he ran short of money. How very enterprising of him.

Just Jenn
Reply to  Eric Worrall
April 22, 2018 7:37 am

A little levity:comment image

Kristi Silber
Reply to  Eric Worrall
April 22, 2018 9:57 am

Thanks, gnomish, i’m glad that other here can see the problem here.
To all you others offering quotes: I have no idea why you see this guy as you do. To me he sounds like he’s thought a lot about this topic, reached some conclusions, and is not really happy about them. He knows it’s asking a sacrifice of people for them to agree to do things differently in the future, and in the case of the third world, develop sustainably rather than follow in the consumption-based economy of America.
“So there you have it. He thinks comfort, safety and allowing the third world to have what we have is ‘wrongheaded’.”
The passage is vague, but here’s what I get from it. He thinks wrong the ideological underpinnings of the idea that it’s too much to ask people to give up a little of their comfort and maybe safety (? I assume he means SUVs?) for the sake of risk avoidance . I don’t claim to know his whole argument – it’s not in the story – but it may revolve around the idea that people have the right to pursue their own maximal comfort level at the expense of others. Or it may refer to the oft-voiced skeptic idea that doing something about CO2 emissions means thousands of lost lives and destruction of the American economy, millions more in poverty, etc. I don’t understand where this came from – sounds like a scare tactic, prop’ganda.
Vollman doesn’t say what kind of regulation he means. He doesn’t say he wants poor people to die, or to make anyone poor. He doesn’t say rice growing should stop. “Dragging” people to “regulatory hell” I interpret as a figure of speech, not a threat.
He found out the FBI was tracking him because he sued under the FOIA, then wrote a story for Harpers about it. He thought it funny at first, until they kept messing with his life. All this because of the content of his books? It’s fiction! It’s like suspecting an author of serial killing because they write about a detective who is an expert on serial killers.
I don’t know the whole FBI story. I have no reason to believe he’s lying. Those who assume so are going to think what they want, creating whole imaginary stories from limited data, believing the worst about people they want to think poorly of. Who knows what other cognitive errors they make.
I have no reason to defend him. I don’t care about his reputation.
My gripe is that people here were “primed” to think badly about this guy based on the way the original excerpt was presented, as well as on their own preconceptions about the character of those who believe “CAGW” is likely.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
April 22, 2018 10:21 am

a little of their comfort
He didn’t say “a little” he said “regulatory hell”. You keep trying to rationalize along the lines of what he might have meant, we just don’t know for sure because everything us a bit vague. Its not vague and the yarns he spins are incredulous.

MarkW
Reply to  Eric Worrall
April 22, 2018 11:30 am

So as long as the person doesn’t say he wants poor people to die, it’s ok to push policies that ARE going to end up with poor people dying.
How tolerant of you.

hunter
Reply to  Eric Worrall
April 22, 2018 3:10 pm

gnomish,
Your inability to accept that a deeply disturbed ranter like Vollman, whose prior work compared to the unabomber, just might mean what he pkainly said is deafness.
And claiming those who disagree with you are dog whistling is pretty out of line frankly.

Phil Rae
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
April 21, 2018 6:01 pm

Willis
Your poignant tale says it all….and, yes, access to affordable energy is what the world needs most of all – no ifs, ands, but’s or maybes! Eco-fanatics and those who seek to reverse the amazing progress we have made as a species since the start of the industrial revolution are disconnected from reality.

MarkG
Reply to  Phil Rae
April 21, 2018 6:16 pm

The modern left is organised denial of reality.
Hence, for example, a pampered lefty can claim that we need ‘Regulatory Hell,’ when people with real jobs in the real world know we already live in it.

noaaprogrammer
Reply to  Phil Rae
April 21, 2018 9:45 pm

If he “traveled the globe for years” working on this project, what is his carbon footprint?

kenji
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
April 21, 2018 7:05 pm

Willis … this is the first I’ve read of you (Guest article linked). And let me say, I would happily purchase anything you’ve published. Your writing is engaging, lucid, and alive … and analytically brilliant.
I will continue to to tell my eco-Leftist elite friends and neighbors here in upper-upper-upper middle class Silicon Valley that … “High Energy costs are THE most regressive taxation on the poor ever imaginable”. Which is usually met with puckered lips, harrumphs and feeble flailing responses.

Michael Kelly
Reply to  kenji
April 21, 2018 8:54 pm

Amen to that (see my comments below).

WXcycles
Reply to  kenji
April 22, 2018 7:21 am

That is a very good point.

kaliforniakook
Reply to  kenji
April 22, 2018 11:25 am

Kenji – THAT surprised me. I’ve seen you here a lot, and assumed Anthony was writing using his dog’s name! But Willis has been here forever, and frequently as a guest blogger. Yes – his writing and analysis is clear, concise – and spot on.
Now I have to go see if I got his dog’s name wrong. Last I heard, he was a member of the Union of Concerned Scientists or a similar group. Where DID I leave my memory… got to be around here somewhere.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
April 21, 2018 7:29 pm

Willis,
“People down at the bottom of the global economic ladder get shafted by plans like Vollman’s.”
What plan is that?
What elitist sickness would that be? Is it contagious? Do all “elitists” have it, and what’s an elitist? Can one have the sickness and not be an elitist?
……………………………………
Eric
The article ends like this:
“Vollmann is the real deal – according to the VOX article, at one point the police suspected him of being the Unabomber, because of the hardline anti-growth and anti-development themes of Vollmann’s writing.”
This is the last word, the message you want to convey? He’s the “real deal” because the FBI made a grievous, foolish error based on the content of his novels (and that is their description, not his)?
You want to make him out to be a nut.
Does he honestly seem like a nut to you, Eric?

Sara
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 21, 2018 7:52 pm

He IS a psychotic creature, Kristi Silber. If you can’t see that, you are completely blind. You aren’t paying attention because you choose to ignore what is right under your nose, to your detriment.

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 21, 2018 7:57 pm

K.S.,
Define “nut” and someone will get back to you.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 21, 2018 8:19 pm

Sara, I’m afraid you will have to educate me here. In what ways has Vollman lost touch with reality?
///////////
Oh! I see this post now…
“Rice is THE staple of the diet in Asia, in all the countries included in that nominative. What are those people supposed to live on if that is taken from them? Are they supposed to subsist on air? Or just starve to death because this ignorant fanatic disapproves of rice?”
You, Sara, have absolutely no clue what he’s saying. No wonder you’re making such stupid, blind remarks about him and me. Par for the course, jumping to conclusions and insulting others because you think you know better than anyone who thinks differently, when it’s you who are in the wrong.
Rice farming produces methane. Maybe you think people shouldn’t say so if you find it so offensive, but that doesn’t change the fact that it does. Nor is it equivalent to, “rice farming should end.” Hard to grasp, I know, but people don’t always live up to your hate-filled, disdainful, simplistic view of them.

Sara
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 21, 2018 8:50 pm

Here, Kristi, read this, out of his OWN mouth:’
In Japan, roughly 50 percent or so of all the methane emissions — and that’s one of the three most dangerous greenhouse gases — are caused by rice growing. All this stuff that seems so innocuous. It seems to me that you have to drag people into some kind of regulatory hell
So rice produces methane? So?
Rice is a wetland plant. ALL WETLANDS PRODUCE METHANE. ALL OF THEM. There are ZERO exceptions to that rule. It’s part of the process of organic decay, meaning plant matter becomes – oh, my GOD! PEAT! And peat turns to COAL, after many, many millions of years of releasing water vapor and other gases including methane into the atmosphere under enormous pressure.
So is this ignorant quack going to eradicate wetlands, an extremely important part of any healthy ecosystem, because THEY ALL PRODUCE METHANE?????
He disapproves of a wetland plant that is part of a food chain for many other creatures than just humans. In fact, ricelands in the southern US are a mecca for migratory birds when winter comes in the north.
You claim to be a scientist. I’m curious AS TO how something this obvious can escape you. I’m beginning to seriously doubt you.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 21, 2018 8:52 pm

Eric,
‘No, completely rational – doesn’t everyone sniff petroleum and bathe their face in gamma rays?”
This was done as part of the research for his books. It’s said in passing, we have no idea what the context is. You judge him based on that? Or is that what you want to communicate?
You seem to see what you want, then exaggerate it for the public. No better than the alarmist media.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 21, 2018 8:58 pm

Sara, you have always doubted me, always insulted me.
Your mistake is in assuming that because rice produces methane, he is arguing that rice farming shouldn’t be done. He didn’t argue that. I know he went on to talk about regulation, but that doesn’t mean anything. We have no idea what he had in mind for regulation. None. Get it?

Sara
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 21, 2018 9:07 pm

Kristi: What part of ‘drag people through a regulatory hell’ do you NOT understand????
Those are HIS words. Your refusal to understand what he implies by regulatory hell speaks volumes.
Your mind is closed to anything said that disagrees with your narrow view. That includes the FBI viewing his implied threats as an indicator that he MIGHT be the dangerous psychotic Ted Kazynski.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 21, 2018 9:42 pm

Sara,
You are not seeing it in context, and not reading it right, and you are INTENTIONALLY misrepresenting him.
“All this stuff that seems so innocuous. It seems to me that you have to drag people into some kind of regulatory hell” That’s where you end the quote, which goes on, “unfortunately. Maybe there’s a better way to do it, but I don’t see one.”
You ignore all he has talked about just previous to this quote.
You have absolutely NO IDEA WHAT HE MEANS BY REGULATORY HELL. Do you understand? The fact that he calls it a “regulatory hell” suggests he’s not a liberal. Get it? People don’t fit your little boxes.
It’s a classic way of distorting the truth in the name of an agenda. ignore what he means, and interpret what he says. If one does so in order to spread a message, it’s propag’nda. The left do it, the right do it – truth means little these days.

Alan Tomalty
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 21, 2018 9:57 pm

Yes he is a stark raving lunatic as are most greenies. It isnt their fault though. Unfortunately our school system brainwashed them into thinking that we should get rid of CO2 which in reality without we would all die. And the school system taught them that the world could be a dream place of only solar and wind energy. Well Kristi the real world is not a land of OZ. I hate pollution as much as you do if not more Kristi but CO2 is not a pollutant and is not warming the atmosphere to a point where we would ever have to worry about it. In fact the whole greenhouse gas theory might not be correct but even if it is, we not going to burn up by adding a little trace gas that is only 410ppm by volume. Worry about the oceans Kristi. We have polluted them to such an extant that there are 5 trillion pieces of plastic floating in the world’s oceans. Yes you read that right. That is the real big problem mankind is facing, NOT the nonexistent problem of too much CO2. We need more CO2 NOT less.

s-t
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 21, 2018 10:50 pm

What the hell is a “liberal”, Kristi?
And why wouldn’t a “liberal” love to impose “hell” on others?

papiertigre
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 22, 2018 2:50 am

He says, “For a long time I was a climate change denier,” says author, journalist, and war correspondent William T. Vollmann. “I didn’t want to be stressed out by something that might someday affect people after I’m dead.”
Then

Vollmann is the real deal – according to the VOX article, at one point the police suspected him of being the Unabomber, because of the hardline anti-growth and anti-development themes of Vollmann’s writing.

Which means he was spouting malthusian claptrap circa 1982-87.

papiertigre
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 22, 2018 2:58 am

No way. He was a clamatista before Hansen made his phoney baloney speech to Congress in 1988.
If he was ever against the AGW political movement it was for a nanosecond, in a temporary moment of clarity.

mike
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 22, 2018 3:14 am

@ Kristi
Vollman’s “In Japan, roughly 50 percent of all the methane emissions–and that’s one of the three most dangerous greenhouse gases–are caused by rice growing. All this stuff seems so innocuous. It seems to me you have to drag people into some sort of regulatory hell, unfortunately. Maybe there’s a better way to do it, but I don’t see one.”
Read with interest your exchange with Sara, in the sub-thread immediately above, Kristi. Some reflections, for what they might be worth:
-Vollman is a professional writer, of such skill, that “some” apparently consider him a contender for the Nobel Prize, per the Vox interview. So I think we can safely make the assumption that Vollman chooses his words with care, as to their meaning, and configures the ensemble of his words with calculation–possibly even cunning.
-Also sprach Vollman: “It seems to me that you have to drag people into some sort of a regulatory hell.” The image of “dragging people” is clearly one that has someone, with power, physically manhandling others, against their will. And the need to employ brute force becomes clear, as Vollman informs us that the destination, he intends for those, whom he deems to be “in need of a little draggin'”, is a “regulatory hell”.
But it is true, as you rightly point out, Kristi, that Vollman does not provide detail with respect to the specifics of the “hell”, to which he plans to consign those of the “dragee” class. Nevertheless, I think we can be sure–unless, of course, we have a perverse need to “play dumb”–that Vollman did not choose the word, “hell”, because he envisions the end-point of his “modest proposal”, to be a good-fun, quality-time adventure, for those he intends to pitch into his home-brew “fiery pit”. And that’s all we really need to know about Vollman’s potentially Nobel Prize winning, artfully-obscure, “big plan”, as far as any “thinking” person is concerned, I would say.
-But I see I have, with my last musing, just committed Sara’s fatal error, in that I didn’t provide “context”. And just what is that essential context, I neglected? Well, Kristi, thanks to your superior understanding of the matter, we now know that it is of the utmost importance to emphasize Vollman’s “sensitivity” in this whole business. You know, like, we need to appreciate all those anguished regrets, that Vollman so keenly feels, as he contemplates frog-marching multitudes of be-drug and bedraggled wretches off to the Arch Fiend’s sulfurous torments. That Vollman regards their fate to be “unfortunate”, but–poor soul!–he just can’t see “a better way to do it”.
Really, Kristi? Do you truly think such “context” has value? If I understand Sara correctly, I’m with her–when it comes to Vollman’s “final solution”, it is a matter of indifference, to moi, at least, that the great thinker might, encumbered, as he is, by such exquisite sensibilities, suffer a twinge of regret that he must send off so many to be spit-roasted by Beelzebub.
-Last but not least, I think it worth while to highlight that Vollman lives in a typical, hive-bozo, dystopian dream-world where there are those who do the “dragging” (let’s call them our “Philosopher Kings”) and those whom are “drug” (let’s call them coolie-trash, cull-fodder herdling-nobodies–my kind of people, in other words). Some useful intel, that will immediately orient us hoi-polloi, if Vollman ever decides to bestir himself and risk a “walk” of his big-mouth “talk”. Regardless, tends to concentrate the mind, don’t you think, Kristi?
Hey gnomish!–my next comment is for you. If you don’t see it, it’s because it fell victim to the moderator’s zinger-cidal wrath.

gnomish
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 22, 2018 4:32 am


apparently mr worral’s judgement is accurate.
i loathe mobs.
especially on days that end in Y

Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 22, 2018 5:05 am

If rice is going to destroy the planet, then I’m for eating meat and potatoes.

Greg61
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 22, 2018 5:54 am

Anybody who does not agree that higher energy costs not only increases the cost of energy obviously, but also the cost of basic needs like food, and that these costs affect the poor most, is a denier of basic math, science, and logic. Basically you’re an idiot.

beng135
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 22, 2018 6:26 am

Kristi, let’s be plain and simple here — anyone that wrings their hands and gnashes their teeth over a tiny trace gas like methane is off their rocker. I actually feel sorry for such tormented souls, but only alittle. This is the modern version of ghosts, goblins and witches.

MarkW
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 22, 2018 6:31 am

Come on Kristi, you aren’t as dense as you are playing here.
The plans to stop and reverse human development.
The plans to make energy expensive and scarce.
And that’s just for a beginning.

MarkW
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 22, 2018 6:32 am

Kristi, yes, rice farming produces methane.
Methane is not and has never been a problem.
And if you stop it, the people who used to eat rice now starve.

MarkW
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 22, 2018 6:33 am

Kristi, when you go around insulting others, expect to get some back.
Regardless, when all you can do is repeat propaganda that was disproven decades ago, don’t expect much in the way of respect.

Latitude
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 22, 2018 8:00 am

Kristi…..he thinks the problem is carbon…get it?
“It’s carbon that is the central environmental issue of our time.”

Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 22, 2018 8:20 am

His plan?
Same as any scared, unhinged climate worrier: complain, complain, threaten apocalypse, offer no solutions to anything. For example: he says he’s worried about fossil fuel driving climate change, so he writes a non-fiction book hyping the “ongoing nightmare of Fukushima
Classic idiocy.

kaliforniakook
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 22, 2018 11:40 am

Kristi, I may agree with Vollmann on eliminating wetlands – or at least not wasting 40% of Kalifornia’s water to maintain them. Especially during drought years.
Unless they’re producing something useful – like food.
Other than that – yes, he sounds like a certifiable nut job. Quite willing to impose his life style on others. He doesn’t have friends he enjoys quick texts with, so he doesn’t think the rest of us should enjoy that form of communication.
A lot like my mom. She believes alcohol is sinful, and wants Prohibition back. Impose her views on everyone else. Except in her case, she believes God is telling her this. Vollmann doesn’t tell us who the voices in his head are. I suspect it is just an echo chamber.
To the Mods: How on Earth do you examine everything on this site?

Fraizer
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 22, 2018 1:10 pm

It has been said that fully 25% of leftists are on some type of anti-psychotic medicine.
If that’s true (Hi Kristi) that means that 75% of them are walking around untreated.

Edwin
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 22, 2018 1:38 pm

AH Kristi, how old are you? Have you ever been outside the USA? Have you ever been outside of the Western Democracy? Like many in the west you are a spoiled elitist. You even hint that rice culture is evil because it produces methane. ANY organic soil produces not just methane but also as it decomposes release mercury. Deal ii that has been going on an extremely long time not just at the begin of the Industrial Revolution. Your real problem, assuming you are not a paid troll, is you are either still very young with few real life experiences or you are just spoiled. Try raising ALL your own food, turn off ALL electricity, drink, shower and wash clothes only rainwater that you have captured, make all your own clean materials, do not go to the doctor no matter how sick you might be, have your only mode of transportation be walking not even a bicycle. Do that for a few years then come back and join the debate.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 22, 2018 8:55 pm

Mike,
That’s quite a rant there. Must be a couple dozen assumptions you made, figuring you have it all worked out.
The enormous hypocrisy is calling this political movement “skepticism” and pretending it’s about science.
“I think we can be sure–unless, of course, we have a perverse need to “play dumb”–that Vollman did not choose the word, “hell”, because he envisions the end-point of his “modest proposal”, to be a good-fun, quality-time adventure, for those he intends to pitch into his home-brew “fiery pit”.”
He said he didn’t know the answer. How do you get any kind of proposal out of that.
Do you not understand what a figure of speech is? Do you imagine…oh, forget it.
“Really, Kristi? Do you truly think such “context” has value?” YES. OF COURSE. THAT IS WHY IT WAS SO EASY TO FOOL PEOPLE ABOUT ‘CLIMATEGATE.’ And they continue to do so.
“-Last but not least, I think it worth while to highlight that Vollman lives in a typical, hive-bozo, dystopian dream-world where there are those who do the “dragging” (let’s call them our “Philosopher Kings”) and those whom are “drug” (let’s call them coolie-trash, cull-fodder herdling-nobodies–my kind of people, in other words). Some useful intel, that will immediately orient us hoi-polloi, …”
Why would you think of your kind of people that way, I wonder? Is it some kind of victimhood thing? Do you think the educated look down on you?
Well, join the club. That’s what it means being in a deeply stratified society based on a free market economy. You think regulations are going to hurt the poor most? How do you know? Someone told you? What if someone had another idea? Possible, do you think?
(I’m a capitalist.)

mike
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 23, 2018 3:36 am

@Kristi
Yr: April 22, 8:55 pm comment
Thank you for your response, Kristi, to my April 22, 3:14 am comment. You replied with the admirable candor that is your wont and I do you the courtesy of replying with a similar candor.
Your reply, Kristi, opens with two paragraphs:
“Mike
That’s quite a rant there. Must be a couple dozen assumptions you made, figuring you have it all worked out.
The enormous hypocrisy is calling this political movement “skepticism” and pretending it’s about science.”
Kristi, your first paragraph seemed to hold out, to the reader, the promise that you were going to “rip me a new one” by exposing the defects in the foundational assumptions of my little “rant”, and, in such a way, as to take my bumptious, good opinion of myself down a notch. And I was really lookin’ forward to seein’ you work your magic, in that regard, Kristi. So imagine my disappointment, Kristi, when I found that the promise of your opening paragraph, so grandly introduced, went nowhere–not one mention or analysis of my presumably “deplorable” assumptions, and/or hubris, to be found, even once, in the balance of your comment. Hmmm…strange, I’m thinkin’.
Your second paragraph, which, in no way, logically followed from the first, then denounced, grandiosely, a certain “enormous hypocrisy”. But again, you hit the reader with a paragraph that is just nothing but a big, fat, “fake-out” tease–a paragraph that is all razzle-dazzle wind-up, but no pitch. That’s right!–astonishingly, after your urgent, “enormous hypocrisy” attention-gainer, Kristi, and a perfunctory sketch of that hypocrisy, the subject is not pursued anywhere else in your comment.
And in reflecting on the first two paragraphs of your reply, Kristi, I couldn’t help but get the feeling that there just wasn’t something “right” about the whole deal. And upon reading the rest of your reply and remembering other of your comments, I couldn’t shake the notion that there is something bizarre about the character of your discourse:
-Your capacity for educated speech that is not matched by any apparent ability to construct a cogent, logical argument.
-Impulsive, bold assertions that seem somehow pre-fabricated.
-Paragraphs that have a cut-and-paste, strung-together quality.
-Frequent non-sequiturs and irrelevancies.
-Relentless employment of trite, emotive, lefty bromides.
-A machine-like endurance in running exchanges of comments with others on this blog.
So, Kristi, let me ask you straight out–are you a bot?

MarkW
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 23, 2018 8:03 am

Yes Kristi, we’ve heard that rant of yours before. Only those who agree with you are doing science.
As to your claim that you are a capitalist, you want the government to regulate pretty much everything.
That isn’t capitalism. Like most of your ilk, you seem to believe that as long as the government doesn’t own everything, you are still doing capitalism.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 23, 2018 11:47 am

‘Your mistake is in assuming that because rice produces methane, he is arguing that rice farming shouldn’t be done. He didn’t argue that.’
Kristi – this is ALWAYS your mistake, whether it’s ‘can’t eat meat’ or ‘can’t grow rice’ – No, they don’t SAY that – they just DO it – they just regulate targeted products out of existence, price it out of existence, deliberately bankrupt the industry. Remember Obama? ‘You can build a coal plant but we’ll bankrupt you.’
This is the way Progressives – particularly eco-types – ALWAYS handle things.
Please – drop the deliberate obtuseness, the pretense of innocence, and stop playing the dim watt bulb.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 23, 2018 11:53 am

‘You have absolutely NO IDEA WHAT HE MEANS BY REGULATORY HELL. Do you understand? The fact that he calls it a “regulatory hell” suggests he’s not a liberal. Get it? People don’t fit your little boxes.’
Boy, talk about obtuse. That might be the most asinine statement you’ve made on this board.
‘Not a liberal?’ Considering the Progressive left’s first approach to ANYTHING is to whitewash their own dirty hands and cast themselves as the moral high ground, I’d say you have literally become a caricature.
Some people don’t fit into little boxes, but YOU sure do.
I treat everyone with respect until they prove they don’t deserve it.

rogerthesurf
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
April 21, 2018 7:39 pm

“Are we prepared to endure lives with less comfort?”
He does not finish the sentence.
The full sentence is “Are we prepared to endure lives with less comfort and let people at the bottom of the heap die?”
Or better still.
“Are we all ready to die and observe, with our last breaths, the “so called Elite” watching us starve?”
Cheers
Roger
http://www.rogerfromnewzealand.wordpress.com

Kristi Silber
Reply to  rogerthesurf
April 21, 2018 8:22 pm

Roger,
Are you reduced to the expediency of making up someone’s views in order to ridicule him? Isn’t that stooping a little low, getting a little desperate?

rogerthesurf
Reply to  rogerthesurf
April 21, 2018 11:07 pm

Kristi Silber,
Not at all. You maybe unaware of the economic facts and of the results if we take Vollmann’s advice which I interpret as being that we must decrease our fossil fuel usage to the point where we have to “Endure” our lives.
The truth is, if you want to know the true economic results of banning or otherwise making fossil fuels unavailable is exactly what I say above. First of all the people at the bottom of the heap will die and then not too long after we will die. The people left will be as described at this website. http://green-agenda.com/index.html
Global warming most likely is a bunch of codswallop and even if it was true, the human cost of any futile attempt to “mitigate” is far to great to even imagine.
Even the UN does not believe what they preach. Check this link. https://thedemiseofchristchurch.wordpress.com/2016/05/06/un-headquarters-and-usd1-2-billion-upgrade-and-rising/
Regards
Roger

WXcycles
Reply to  rogerthesurf
April 22, 2018 7:47 am

Kristi, you come across like a fanatical green loon.
Your ideological hero says this:
” … Do you say, “Well, we’re going to make you do it at a loss”? Or do we say, “All right, we’re going to give you money to help you change”? I can’t pretend to have an answer about stuff like that. … ”
—-
Clever. The guy is at best an ignorant fanatical crackpot with no answers to ‘problems’ that are more or less imaginary, or blown out of all proportion. i.e. a crazy zealot.
“Money talks and bullsh|t walks”. – Bobbi Finkman, This is Spinal Tapp.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I-BYzaDwNoE

Kristi Silber
Reply to  rogerthesurf
April 22, 2018 12:40 pm

Rogerthesurf,
“You maybe unaware of the economic facts and of the results if we take Vollmann’s advice which I interpret as being that we must decrease our fossil fuel usage to the point where we have to “Endure” our lives.
The truth is, if you want to know the true economic results of banning or otherwise making fossil fuels unavailable is exactly what I say above. ”
This is a very bad logical error. YOU ARE ASSUMING something you have no right or reason to assume. You are “interpreting” based on an idea you have of what “the other side” wants.
I don’t know, some people may want fossil fuel use to end, but I very much doubt most people who want to avoid CAGW think that. There are many routes to lowering net CO2 emissions. Perhaps you might consider that even alarmists are not all heartless idiots, hard as that may be to imagine.
I don’t really care about that. I’m sick of seeing people being manipulated and manipulating others. I’m sick of the rampant false assumptions. I’m sick of the complaining and hatred. And I’m sick of scientists being maligned unquestioningly, mindlessly, reflexively.

rogerthesurf
Reply to  rogerthesurf
April 22, 2018 9:50 pm

Kristi Silber,
“I don’t really care about that. I’m sick of seeing people being manipulated and manipulating others. I’m sick of the rampant false assumptions. I’m sick of the complaining and hatred. And I’m sick of scientists being maligned unquestioningly, mindlessly, reflexively.”
Sorry Kristi,
I “assume” that you are talking about people who are telling your that “Global Warming” is happening and now, plus all the terrible things that are about to happen, but have been somehow delayed.
For your information, these people are not scientists. If they were, they would not be supporting this unproven rubbish. They are not scientists, because they are telling you lies. Why are they telling you lies? Because instead of following proper scientific procedure, they are making up tall stories.
Below I have an example of the proper measures needed to follow if the unproven “Anthropogenic Carbon Dioxide causes global warming” hypothesis.
This shows that all the panic is caused by people who either are ignorant or deliberately avoid proper basic scientific procedure.
No wonder there is a large and growing body of the population opposing the pseudo scientists of which must be doing this for agenda that will not benefit you, me or as much as 99% of the would population.
Here is a simple procedure where AGW fails the true test of science because no proof or reasonable hypothesis supports the colossal rant of Vollman and others..
If you read Karl Popper and if you wish to take it even further, William of Ockham, you can find the basis of the scientific disproof of a hypothesis.
This quick video should help.
Richard Feynman on disproving a hypothesis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL6-x0modwY
And Dr Roy Spencer Graph showing Models and empirical measurements.
http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/CMIP5-73-models-vs-obs-20N-20S-MT.png
(The accompanying commentary for the above can be found on Dr Spencer’s website archive Blogs June 2013)
This is a good example of Popper’s disproval of a hypothesis. In this case the models are the hypothesis’, (or law as Feynman describes them) and the actual temperature measurements, some of which are satellites, represent the empirical measurements.
Therefore it is very obvious that the models fall under Feynman’s rejection. There is therefore no scientific evidence that the earth is warming, (or cooling), other than what has already been observed throughout history.
So Kristi, get it together, If you are looking for truth, you are on the wrong side.
If you want to help mankind and the environment you are also on the wrong side.

Sara
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
April 21, 2018 7:47 pm

Vollman is an obsessive compulsive fanatic, narrowly focused on one thing – controlling what other people do.
Rice is a major source of methane? Really?
Rice is THE staple of the diet in Asia, in all the countries included in that nominative. What are those people supposed to live on if that is taken from them? Are they supposed to subsist on air? Or just starve to death because this ignorant fanatic disapproves of rice?
What else pisses him off? I’m sure he has a long list.
He’s as close to psychotic as you can get. I thought I had seen everything, with the charlatan sideshow promos by Al Gore and noxious twits like da Caprio puffing themselves off as experts on anything at all. But this guy just takes the cake.
I’m sure that if he had the chance, he’d send everyone to their deaths.
Until now, I hadn’t heard of him but if he’s made threats in the past, it’s no wonder the Feebies thought he was the Unabomber.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  Sara
April 21, 2018 9:08 pm

Sara, “threats”? You have quite an imagination. Did you even bother reading the Vox article in its entirety?
And this, “I’m sure that if he had the chance, he’d send everyone to their deaths.” – that is just despicable to say about someone based on the little you know of him. This says more about you than him.
“Vollman is an obsessive compulsive fanatic, narrowly focused on one thing – controlling what other people do.” Wow.

Sara
Reply to  Sara
April 21, 2018 9:38 pm

Kristi, you really do have some serious issues with people who don’t kowtow to your view]
Here: It seems to me that you have to drag people into some kind of regulatory hell…
Those are HIS words. That’s as explicit as you can get. A regulatory hell???
If that is NOT about controlling other people, then what is it? Define it. Explain how it is NOT indicative of a strong need to control what other people do. If he has made clear threats in what he’s published, clear enough to be investigated by the FBI, how can you even vaguely refuse to believe that he is NOT mentally ill? How?
You don’t make any sense. And I don’t care if you object to what I say. You have the right to do so. It’s called free speech. But I’d appreciate it if you’d realize that not even has your narrow point of view.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  Sara
April 21, 2018 9:55 pm

Sara,
“Kristi, you really do have some serious issues with people who don’t kowtow to your view]”
See? Here again you are making false assumptions, and THAT is what i don’t like – you JUDGE OTHERS CONSTANTLY without knowing what you’re talking about. My best friend is a staunch conservative Catholic who for years was also a skeptic. We have argued, too, we are not the kind to avoid discussion about such topics, we like it. So I don’t know what “serious issues” you mean, but you are way over your head in believing you know anything about me, toots.
” It seems to me that you have to drag people into some kind of regulatory hell, unfortunately. Maybe there’s a better way to do it, but I don’t see one.”
This says to me that he doesn’t want to go the way of regulation, which he considers hellish, but he doesn’t know another way.
Crazy, messed up, biased commie psycho interpretation you may call it, but in the context of the rest of the interview (the full version), that’s what I see.

gnomish
Reply to  Sara
April 21, 2018 10:21 pm

sara – he is a nutcase but the article in question is misrepresented by the clickbait title so get off your gish.galloping steed. your agument from intimidation is crude and ignorant.
you have not made full quotes- which is tantamount to lying about it.
either you read the article and deliberately chopped the quote to suit your tribal fealties or you did not read the article and are just the dog eric means to appeal to.
which is it? are you scary stupid or scary evil?

Sparky
Reply to  Sara
April 22, 2018 1:27 am

You’re right Sara, like most “Greenies” he is psychotic, a modern day version of the 20’s progressive that unleashed Hell on earth. How History repeats itself.

drednicolson
Reply to  Sara
April 22, 2018 2:39 am

Are endless nitpicks and diehard delusions of neutrality all that you two have?

mike
Reply to  Sara
April 22, 2018 5:52 am

@gnomish
Where to begin with you, gnomish?
Let’s start with the question you posed to Sara, “which is it? are you scary stupid or scary evil?” So where does a way-over-confident, jumped-up, little, mouth-off, boorish lout, like you, gnomish, get off directing such language at Sara? But to answer your goof-ball, impertinent, snot-nosed query–Sara is neither “scary stupid” nor “scary evil”.
Quite the contrary–a fair-minded read of Sara’s comments instantly reveals someone with a skill at cogent discourse, that vasty outclasses your own, gnomish (and Kristi’s, as well, I might add), and someone who is equally possessed of a wholesome, intellectual integrity that is a moral force for good. Contrast Sara’s skills and qualities, then, gnomish, with the Pavlovian-reflex, party-line, festering group-think, that forms the the very essence of the real “you”, and from which your last, little, hive-tool, hack-work, pathetically-failed attempt at a hatchet-job slithered (some advice you can profit from, gnomish–despite the name, only a skillfully wielded “stilleto” produces an effective “hatchet-job”).
And then, gnomish, we have your, “you have not made full quotes–which is tantamount to lying about it.”
So what is a “full quote”, gnomish–nothing less than the whole interview? Not that it matters, gnomish sine less than “full-quotes” are not objectionable, unless they fail to provide all that is relevant to their ethical use. And, even if objectionable, a less than full quote is a “lie” only if it involves an intentional misquote, or is left intentionally incomplete in a way that untruthfully represents the quoted individual’s meaning. On that basis, Sara’s less than full quotes are not objectionable in any way and, most certainly, they are not lies (see my 3:14 am comment, on this thread, for more on this subject).
But I’m not in the least concerned with convincing you, gnomish, of Sara’s virtuous use of less than full quotes. Rather, I simply draw attention to Sara’s quotes so that interest readers can read them and decide for themselves if your criticism of them has merit–secure in the knowledge that you will be universally adjudged a complete ass, for all your troubles, and will become, in the process, a blogospheric, laughing-stock sensation, as well, when this comment goes “viral”.
And let’s conclude, gnomish, with some observations on that truly oafish, over-the-top, what-a-freakin’-jerk! “dog” crack that you directed at Sara. Let me put it to you simply, gnomish, the only “dog-like” behavior, on this thread, has been your own: your dog-breath-normative, attention-seeking yips; your infected-gums, toothless ankle-biting; and your embrassing, premature-ejaculation-plagued leg-humps. I mean, like, the only proper response to your comments, gnomish, is to be found a the working end of a “pooper-scooper” and the open end of a bio-hazard burn-bag.
Hey hive-bozos! Could you please exercise a little responsibility as pet-owners, and keep gnomish on a leash and clean-up after him, yourselves?

Kristi Silber
Reply to  Sara
April 22, 2018 12:51 pm

drednicolson,
I never claimed to be neutral. I try to use reason, but I err, too.
The point I’m making is important. It’s about manipulation of public opinion to believe something that is untrue. It happens repeatedly here, and to me that’s a problem. I would think to a bunch of skeptics it would be an issue worth examining. Skepticism is not just about challenging others’ ideas, but the harder task of challenging one’s own and where they come from.

MarkW
Reply to  Sara
April 22, 2018 7:27 pm

Of course Kristi is the sole judge of what is true or not.
Of course all the “scientists” that Kristi agrees with, also agree with her, which is further proof of her infallibility.

TA
Reply to  Sara
April 23, 2018 12:40 pm

“The point I’m making is important. It’s about manipulation of public opinion to believe something that is untrue. It happens repeatedly here, and to me that’s a problem.”
It happens everywhere, not just here, Kristi. Society is awash in misinformation and disinformation. It is our job to sort through the chaff and find the wheat.
Arguments are part of the sorting process. My hope is that we can minimize the personal attacks, which only distract from the sorting process.

Michael Kelly
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
April 21, 2018 8:52 pm

Wow, I read your 2013 article, and it was amazing! You’ve led an incredibly interesting life, and write about it beautifully. Thank you for including it.

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
April 21, 2018 10:25 pm

I remember reading your 3 short stories over 5 years ago and shedding some tears. And after re-reading them I shed some more tears, I was stationed in the Philippines (Subic Bay) while in the Navy when we still had a US base there, I saw some of those slums and knew some of the same “hostesses” and bartenders…yes they all thought we were rich Americans.
From what I saw on the back streets, they lived in similar places that you described so well.
Cheap energy would surely be a good start, along with other factors to reduce the world’s poor…we are the worlds 1% – probably most who are posting on this site…

Reply to  J Philip Peterson
April 21, 2018 10:39 pm

Thanks for posting that important link Willis…!!!
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/01/13/we-have-met-the-1-and-he-is-us/

mikewaite
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
April 22, 2018 4:17 am

Maybe a bit o/t but on Jonova’s site today
http://joannenova.com.au/2018/04/weekend-unthreaded-207/#comments
there is a comment, #14, about the BBC reporting that the Solomon Islands are visibly disappearing below the waves due of course to global warming.
Your name then popped into my head as perhaps someone who from personal experience might be able to assess the reported demise of the Solomon Islands from a more sceptical position than the BBC can bring itself to take.

mikewaite
Reply to  mikewaite
April 22, 2018 4:20 am

Sorry if anyone is confused , my question of course was addressed to Willis , my bad manners.

WXcycles
Reply to  mikewaite
April 22, 2018 8:21 am

Sounds serious … but the highest peak in the Solomons 8,130 ft high. Is the BBC aware the Solomon Islands has mountains? Maybe they got an email from some filthy greenie ratbag who wasn’t too concerned with stuff like topography?

Carbon Bigfoot
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
April 22, 2018 4:56 am


Willis your YouTube presentation at the 2015 DDP Meeting has much more of an impact than your synopsis which you link. Very powerful. The problem is the GREEN SHIRT extremists are so indoctrinated they want to achieve their Population Mantra and these poor which you site are first on the list of extinctions. SO SAD.

Carbon Bigfoot
Reply to  Carbon Bigfoot
April 22, 2018 5:13 am

Willis this might be the wrong video was the correct one removed from YouTube? This is also a great video by the way.

Donald
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
April 22, 2018 5:18 am

Kristi, Worrall is a heckling, click-bating troll who is paid or encouraged to write this trash to support the WUWT enterprise, to rile and defame scientists and to feed the groupthink club that this site is. They push the boundaries of libel until someone takes them to court and then they scream like stuck pigs and yell “freedom of speech” when they are sued.
Let the children play.

MarkW
Reply to  Donald
April 22, 2018 6:42 am

In other words, he’s effective and accurate and you can’t refute a thing he writes. So instead you’ll claim the moral high ground and just attack the author instead.

texasjimbrock
Reply to  Donald
April 22, 2018 6:50 am

Don: I wonder what kind of education you received in science and logic. To complain that scientists are defamed by scientific disagreements is so…anti-science. The history of science is built upon theories that are posited for consideration and…if possible…refutation. CAGW has made a lot of predictions that have simply not come true. For example, Hansen predicted that the Major Deagan expressway would be under water by now. Is it?

beng135
Reply to  Donald
April 22, 2018 7:23 am

Either projection or sarcasm.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  Donald
April 22, 2018 11:58 am

Donald,
While some of what you say may be true, that doesn’t mean it can’t change. I know that it’s probably a lost cause to point out sources of manipulation…but maybe not. Once people become attuned to them, they are easier to see. I don’t expect to be aware of making a difference.
I don’t think this site is full of groupthink. There are a lot of different beliefs about climate change voiced here. There are also commonalities that may tend to get reinforced, such as the idea that policy shouldn’t reflect the possibility of climate change, and a distrust of “mainstream” science. Hatred of progressive liberals and alarmists gets reinforced; I see the bias and logical error regularly when people try to insult me. But that’s not everyone.
“Let the children play.” I don’t like this statement, it is the same kind of generalization that I don’t like generally. We are adults, we ought to be able to converse as adults. I have been consciously juvenile lately in response to a couple people who have made a point of consistently insulting me, if only to show people that I could easily bite back habitually, but try to keep my comments impersonal, objecting to actions and lines of reasoning rather than personal attacks. It’s hard, though, and I realize that’s true for everyone. These days there is a lot of anger, frustration, blaming, playing victim, and sense of entitlement all through American society. It’s common to converse more with people we’ve never seen than with our neighbors, especially if they think differently from us. It’s a strange new world, and it’s not always good.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  Donald
April 22, 2018 12:21 pm

texasjimbrock,
It’s not scientific arguments that are being used to defame people, it’s the choice of content, title, excerpt and the little comments that go along with them that are intended to send thinking in a particular direction. It seems almost formulaic sometimes.
MarkW,
“In other words, he’s effective and accurate and you can’t refute a thing he writes. ”
Actually, this is an important point. The best propag’nda makes assertions that one can’t refute. It does things like make vague suggestions that imply an idea without asserting something. “He’s the real deal…” then abbreviated FBI story gives the impression that this guy really could be the Unabomber, or is as much a danger and a kook as he was. So people see that in what they read. They want to see it.
You’re right, one can’t refute opinion, suggestion, implication. Neither can one refute the fact that climate models don’t tell the future. When people think the data are BS, there is absolutely no argument one can make about climate. It’s a brilliant strategy: kill trust in science. Make conversation impossible.

mike
Reply to  Donald
April 22, 2018 2:10 pm

@Kristi
Yr: April 22 11:58 am comment
A very thoughtful and thought-provoking comment–thank you, Kristi.

MarkW
Reply to  Donald
April 22, 2018 7:29 pm

Kristi, the ones who killed trust in science were those who demanded that the world be rebuilt according to their desires based on nothing more than a handful of models. Models that were absolute failures in trying to predict the past, much less the future.

hunter
Reply to  Donald
April 22, 2018 8:05 pm

lol, the subject of this blog post is a mentally deranged over rated writer and you count him with “real scientists”. lol.
That you dodge the issue by dismissing the source is not actuslly surprising.
Climate extremists actually cannot deal with actual issues, very often at all.

texasjimbrock
Reply to  Donald
April 23, 2018 6:40 am

Kristi: Stop a moment and consider where we are in a cycle. We are in the midst of a warming period in a cycle between ice ages. The earth is certainly warming, but the question is whether it will be catastrophic and whether or how much of the warming is caused by human activity. It has been said that “extreme claims require extreme proof” and the CAGW claims are certainly extreme with only theoretical proof. Note that “global warming” has not shot up exponentially as per the Mann hockey stick. The oceans have not invaded the lands of the earth. Local flooding as we had here in Houston is not unprecedented and is in large part due government errors in preparing for runoff. (God help us if the Ike Dike had been in place!)
Interglacial periods always end in an ice age. Now THERE is something to worry about.

TA
Reply to  Donald
April 23, 2018 12:53 pm

“When people think the data are BS, there is absolutely no argument one can make about climate. It’s a brilliant strategy: kill trust in science. Make conversation impossible.”
One thing about “the Data” (I assume you mean the temperature data) is we *know* the official temperature data is BS because we have the old temperature data to compare it to, before it was manipulated to make the temperature profile look like a Hockey Stick and mimic CO2’s climb on its chart to create a false correlation.
I have lots of “before and after” temperature charts, if you are interested. Sometimes they really are out to tamper with the temperature data.

Trevor
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
April 22, 2018 5:55 am

Willis……………..another 5 years has passed…………………CAN WE PLEASE HAVE ANOTHER UPDATE ?

JerryC
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
April 22, 2018 5:46 pm

I can’t stand people that clearly do not understand that cheap energy is how countries drag themselves out of poverty. Vollman clearly doesn’t care about that or the suffering of those people desperately trying to improve their standard of living.

gnomish
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
April 22, 2018 8:45 pm

hunter, you grossly mischaracterize what i said and i know why.
you want to disapprove of me because i’m not barking with the rest for eric’s 5 minute hate.
but let me say it in simpler terms so that you have something to really gnaw on:
i think wuwt is not well serve by you or your tribal signalling and i find eric’s attempt to be wuwt’s rachel maddow disgusting.
you are too.
you wanna be miss hotwhopper of the site- heave ho.

schitzree
Reply to  gnomish
April 23, 2018 7:20 pm

Bringing up Sou’s Hotwhopper site in a thread filled with posts by ‘Kristi’
The irony is too delicious to pass up.
~¿~

F. Leghorn
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
April 23, 2018 7:08 am

Thank you Kristi. i make a statement that what this guy says means he’s a bad person and you ignore it. Now we know what kind of person you are.

Tom in Florida
April 21, 2018 5:28 pm

“occasionally tan my face with gamma rays.””
Oh my.

Brent Hargreaves
Reply to  Tom in Florida
April 22, 2018 2:29 am

Tom, nutty though Vollmann clearly is, his crack about gamma rays may be an attempt at being witty – spending time up in the mountains in thin atmosphere.
I’m not suggesting that this antidevelopment whackjob deserves any respect, just condemn his actual nonsensical views.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Brent Hargreaves
April 22, 2018 6:53 am

The problem with being scientifically “witty” to an non-science audience is that they will now believe it is gamma rays that give you a tan. And they will take that to their grave.

schitzree
Reply to  Brent Hargreaves
April 23, 2018 7:24 pm

Actually, he apparently wrote a book about the ‘ongoing disaster of Fukushima’, and has spent time in Japan. So he may have soaked up a few banana equivalents to make the quote ‘true’.
~¿~

April 21, 2018 5:32 pm

My opinion of him as well. http://www.litkicks.com/OverratedVollmann

Sara
Reply to  Eric Worrall
April 21, 2018 9:12 pm

Please NO VOGON POETRY!!!! Please, I’m begging you, with tears in my eyes!

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  David Johnson
April 21, 2018 7:42 pm

Postmodernist says it all. “Postmodern” is shorthand for pretentious, pointlessly cryptic logorrhea. It should be no surprise that a “Postmodernist” has cranked out a world-class piece of academic stupidity.

beng135
Reply to  David Johnson
April 22, 2018 9:40 am

Thanks, David Johnson. Your link shows his “fear” about methane is in keeping w/his writing — much ado about nothing.

April 21, 2018 5:33 pm

Regulatory hell could easily start a revolt leading to a worse hell.

Tom Halla
April 21, 2018 5:33 pm

Vollman does seem to be as much of a yahoo as Ted Kaszinsky.

John Harmsworth
Reply to  Tom Halla
April 21, 2018 6:56 pm

Just as crazy! Nowhere near as smart. And not the kind to possess “skills”I’m thinking. But even more dangerous given the scale of what he wants.
This common inability to see that the world is getting better is actually a reflection of the troubled state of mind of these eco-worriers. They are unwell.

drednicolson
Reply to  John Harmsworth
April 22, 2018 2:42 am

Only the completely insane are completely convinced of their own sanity.

Barry
Reply to  John Harmsworth
April 22, 2018 8:35 am

Speaking of getting better: gapminder.org

michael@greypower.net.au
April 21, 2018 5:37 pm

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2015/11/30/new-variety-of-rice-fights-global-warming-and-global-hunger/#234403e632cf elimination of methane emissions from this source us in site. This one simple genetic change makes the CO2 reduction efforts a bit redundant. He needs to get up to date.

John Harmsworth
Reply to  michael@greypower.net.au
April 21, 2018 7:00 pm

I fearlessly predict that this will affect global temps by 0.00000000000? degrees. Feel free to add whichever digit you like on the end.

Andy Krause
Reply to  michael@greypower.net.au
April 21, 2018 9:40 pm

Can’t use that, it’s a GMO. Just kidding.

F. Leghorn
Reply to  michael@greypower.net.au
April 22, 2018 2:52 am

Won’t work. Eco loons hate GMO’s.

F. Leghorn
Reply to  F. Leghorn
April 22, 2018 2:54 am

A day late and a dollar short. Sigh…

ozspeaksup
Reply to  F. Leghorn
April 22, 2018 3:14 am

not an ecoloon, but the GMO idea is as big a scam as warming is, the fact all the aggrobiz push it as a solution oughta ring your bells.
if the rice wasnt polished to white there’d be enough vit A to not need the gmo crap “solution”
better yet they could eat some carrots with brown rice

F. Leghorn
Reply to  ozspeaksup
April 23, 2018 7:19 am

we in America eat “gmo” food everyday. We don’t notice a difference, except we have more food to eat.

J Mac
April 21, 2018 5:47 pm

RE: “It seems to me that you have to drag people into some kind of regulatory hell, unfortunately.”
We are already in regulatory hell, here in the People’s Republic of Washington State.
As for ‘dragging’ citizens anywhere, I’d advise rethinking that really ill-conceived proposal…..
If you open the door to violence, do not complain if it gets too rough for you.

Barbara
Reply to  J Mac
April 21, 2018 6:32 pm

U.S. Global Change Research Program
U.S. Dept. of State
Submission to the UNFCCC
‘2014 CAR United States Climate Action Report’
More than one report included and some 300 pages.
At:
http://www.globalchange.gov/browse/reports/us-climate-action-report-2014
Click on report to download.

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  J Mac
April 21, 2018 8:13 pm

As a sojourner for too long in the People’s Republic of Washington State, I agree with the bit about living in regulatory hell.

beng135
Reply to  J Mac
April 22, 2018 10:13 am

J Mac, OK, but it could get FAR worse…..

J Mac
Reply to  beng135
April 22, 2018 11:17 pm

No doubt, beng135!
We have barely-above-room-temperature Jay Inslee for governor and his socialist democrats control both house of the state congress. Can you say ‘Carbon Shake Down Tax’?

John MacDonald
April 21, 2018 5:48 pm

I’m all for free speech, but this guy’s ideas are feeling very much like his fist has intruded past the end of my nose.

Walter Sobchak
April 21, 2018 5:48 pm

He is a weirdo all right. Probably has a higher ratio of favorable reviews in “intellectual” journals to books sold than any author alive today. He once wrote a multi-volume book on violence. I don’t think anyone has either bought or read the whole thing. The following, which pooped up second on a Google search of his name is perfect:
Paris Review – William T. Vollmann, The Art of Fiction No. 163 — “William T. Vollmann, the author of eleven books, all published since 1987, has become known for his highly unusual prolificity, for his extraordinary stylistic pyrotechnics, for the unique engagement of his own personality with his work, and for the quite staggering ambition of his literary projects.”

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
April 21, 2018 6:21 pm

Okay, so in other words, he’s a narcissism-driven, impertinant protagonist who has attained a notable following.

kenji
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
April 21, 2018 7:08 pm

What? Not even my UC Berkeley education equipped me to untangle THAT kind of a verbal kudzu vine …

John Harmsworth
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
April 21, 2018 7:10 pm

Das Kapital and Mein Kampf come to mind. Good books to keep you warm on the fire at night. (When Global Warming just isn’t enough)

kokoda - AZEK (Deck Boards) doesn't stand behind its product
April 21, 2018 5:49 pm

If Vollman didn’t use electricity, gasoline, oil, Nat. Gas/Propane directly or indirectly, one might tend to lend more credence to his views, Or if he did live to that extreme, he would be considered mentally ill, which is not too far from his current place in Hell.

Latitude
April 21, 2018 5:54 pm

“And yet for Vollmann — a brilliant, idiosyncratic writer whom some have described as a plausible candidate for the winner of the Nobel Prize in Literature —”
“It’s carbon that is the central environmental issue of our time.”
….there’s a slight disconnect here

John Harmsworth
Reply to  Latitude
April 21, 2018 7:17 pm

He’s a meagre mind with an outsized ego looking to achieve notoriety via big ideas. The ideas don’t even have to be good ideas. It’s pathological. I’d bet a hundred bucks he had something to do with generating the Nobel talk. It just fits.

Johanus
April 21, 2018 5:56 pm

His Wikipedia page portrays a brilliant mind driven by various internal demons:

Vollman began cross dressing in 2008 and has developed a female alter ego persona named Dolores which is documented in The Book of Dolores.[13] “‘Dolores is a relatively young woman trapped in this fat, aging male body,’ Mr. Vollmann said. ‘I’ve bought her a bunch of clothes, but she’s not grateful. She would like to get rid of me if she could.’”[14]

In his personal life, Vollmann – who eschews not only the fame of authorship but also cellphones, credit cards, and other modern age touchstones – has sometimes been characterized as a misanthrope, even a Luddite. In a 2013 Harper’s essay, “Life as a Terrorist”, Vollmann revealed how the perception of “anti-progress, anti-industrialist themes” in his early writings had changed his life.

kenji
Reply to  Johanus
April 21, 2018 7:10 pm

A creepster … worshipped by creepsters. No thanks. I prefer SANE humans

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  kenji
April 21, 2018 8:18 pm

@ 6:21 Pop Piasa used the term “notable” and I wondered what that meant.
Thanks for explaining.

Sara
Reply to  Johanus
April 21, 2018 8:01 pm

Never heard of him until this evening, but this confirms what I thought. He’s at least a borderline psychotic, definitely obsessive compulsive, and probably hears voices from those personalities he’s invented. If he describes himself (as up above) as Nobel laureate level, the narcissism is glaringly obvious.
How many more of these creatures are hiding in the shadows?
If he wants to live in a pre-industrial environment, then drop him off on an island where he won’t disturb the rest of us. I doubt he’d last more than 15 minutes.

Alan Tomalty
Reply to  Sara
April 21, 2018 10:13 pm

Big odds that he is a schizophrenic because of his alter ego cross dressing character. I had a 1st cousin that was schizo and his nephew was too. I also knew a friend of the family that was schizo.. It is not their fault because they were born with it. However there are modern drugs that completely control it and prevent alter egos from surfacing. He needs help to get these drugs. The side effect of being schizophrenic is that many of them are brilliant. Somehow the brain that is missing certain chemicals that causes schizophrenia also enables their synapses to function better. Weird how that works.

Gums
Reply to  Sara
April 22, 2018 7:32 am

@Sara,
Yepster, the “Rainbow Six” opportunity. Or maybe be a partner on “Naked and Afraid” with some well-trained ex-U.S. Marine “amazon”. Yeah, that’s it.
No thermostat to fiddle with, no nearby Starbucks, no gasoline because no autos, and no electric autos because no charging receptacle, and no……
But best “no” is no other people’s money.
Gums sends…
P.S. He is welcome to my cabin on the mountains , and will have a luxury cot under a roof and even electricity when the “regulations” permit ( I AM THE REGULATOR).. But he would have to hunt and fish for protien and figure out native vegetation for that part of his diet. Plenty of trees to cut down and use for fuel, as I have no gas supply and the electricity is controlled by the “regulator”. Oh yeah, cell phones don’t work there, nor does DSL internet via the phone line we now have, so try to get by on a 56K landline modem.
The biggie wull be in January when it might get down to 10 or 15 degrees below zero. Would be interesting.

Sara
Reply to  Sara
April 22, 2018 9:48 am

Gums, try using a non-electric typewriter. It is still possible to find manual typewriters. There are people who collect them and restore them to usefulness. There is also pen and ink. A few crow feathers, properly trimmed and the reed split just so make fine crow quill pens, and ink is merely dried pigment, so maybe a sumi-e ink block could be used.
I hope you have a copy of Hannah Glasse’s “Cookery”. If you live in a primitive environment, it’s meant for you.

Gums
Reply to  Sara
April 22, 2018 3:20 pm

@Sara
My partner of 54 years and I have a Smith-Corona “laptop” equivalent that was likely made in the 1930’s. No batteries, one font, inked ribbons for the print, works like a charm. Sucker folds up nicely and we have kept it after her Dad gave it to us back in late 60’s. Wrote my first war story on that thing for a fraternal newsletter, or maybe Reader’s Digest first person segment.
Having been thru over a half dozen “survival” schools, and finally learning to cook once semi-retired, I am O.K. with”living off the land’ except in winter up north. Down here in the Panhandle there is always something sprouting or snorting or rising in the pond or bayou or forest.
Thanks for the advice, and the couch potatoes and yutes here should think about such.
Gums sends…

hunter
Reply to  Johanus
April 22, 2018 3:19 am

So is “Kristi” one of Vollman’s sock puppets?

Kristi Silber
Reply to  hunter
April 22, 2018 9:04 pm

A sock puppet? Wouldn’t that make it a little hard to type?

schitzree
Reply to  hunter
April 23, 2018 7:35 pm

Nope, one of Sou’s socks.

Sweet Old Bob
April 21, 2018 6:02 pm

Another SICKO .
Hope he does not harm anyone else .

Pop Piasa
April 21, 2018 6:07 pm

Really? Used to be a skeptic? But got all emotional after peer pressure from colleagues?

MarkW
Reply to  Pop Piasa
April 21, 2018 7:03 pm

He’s been anti-development, anti-technology and anti-people for a long time.
It’s a short step from there to a desire to believe that anti-CO2 is the vehicle to bring all his other dreams to fruition.

schitzree
Reply to  MarkW
April 23, 2018 7:37 pm

I don’t suppose he ever WROTE anything during this skeptical phase?

Stephen Singer
April 21, 2018 6:08 pm

The scary thing is there are a significant number other twits as out of touch with reality as this twit.

April 21, 2018 6:16 pm

There are just some people that you feel like handing a gas can and a Bic.
One resists, though. Looking at them, you just know that they’re going to find them on their own.

kenji
Reply to  Writing Observer
April 21, 2018 7:13 pm

I couldn’t leave it to chance … but would be tempted to empty the accelerant over his head and help him flick his bic

michael hart
April 21, 2018 6:20 pm

“Are we prepared to endure lives with less comfort?”

Well, it’s a welcome change to see the question actually being asked, though I suspect it is really only a rhetorical question.
Why? Because for most global warming-based environmental alarmists it is a fundamental tenet that you shall endure a life with less comfort. You don’t get any choice in the matter. Obviously, when they are honest with themselves, they know that a lot more than 97% of people will say “No” if given the choice.
In any case, planet savers generally tend to be bigly into telling other people things, not asking them things. “Please” is not a word in the environmentalists lexicon.

Merovign
April 21, 2018 6:21 pm

“Can you imagine what the world would be like with people like Vollmann in charge?”
Don’t need to imagine it. I studied the history of totalitarianism in the 20th century. Unfortunately, most people don’t study much of anything, they just vote for what “sounds like a good idea” and then regret it later, then do it again.

MarkW
Reply to  Merovign
April 21, 2018 7:04 pm

Most people vote for the politician that promises them the most free stuff, because that is what sounds good to them.

ferdberple
Reply to  Merovign
April 22, 2018 6:49 am

they just vote for what “sounds like a good idea
===========
Unfortunately the two most important candidates are never on the ballot.
To be added to the end of every ballot. Mark with an X.
_____None of the above
_____Hang them all.

George Applegate
April 21, 2018 6:24 pm

I hope he isn’t allowed to purchase firearms.

kaliforniakook
Reply to  George Applegate
April 22, 2018 12:32 pm

I was going to put that in my earlier comment. Decided it might poison the rest of what I said. But I still hope he doesn’t have any – and can’t get any. At least, as a Kalifornian, it is not easy to get one, unless you’re willing to deal with unsavory types. Of course, that is his type.

George Applegate
Reply to  kaliforniakook
April 23, 2018 9:32 am

It’s straightforward to purchase firearms in California. You just need to purchase it through an FFL licensee, pass a written test on firearms and relevant laws, physically demonstrate to the dealer that you know how to load and unload it, fill out a bunch of forms, testify to not having drug, alcohol or domestic abuse problems, pass an FBI background check, prove current state residency, prove your identity and age, pay a bunch of fees, and then wait 10 days. You run into trouble if you attempt to purchase more than two firearms within 30 days (doing so imposes a temporary ban of firearms purchases) or have been hospitalized on a 5150 psychiatric hold (this bans you from firearm ownership or purchase for five years.) Of course your selection of firearm accessories and magazines is limited.

April 21, 2018 6:40 pm

When someone starts talking about coercing, compelling or dragging people to do something, then you know they’re totalitarian a-holes who are just control freaks who want to ensure that as many people as possible are as miserable as they are themselves – or preferably that everyone else is even more miserable than they are themselves.
That this clown was once considered as a candidate to be the Unabomber speaks volumes.
The only intelligent thing I’ve ever heard Phillip Adams (of ABC Late Night Live infamy) say is that when someone claims to be on a mission from God (or a zealot of any kind), run way as fast as you can in the opposite direction. Of course, that means one should run away from Phillip Adams as fast as you can too, but I don’t think he actually understands that.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  Bushkid
April 21, 2018 7:51 pm

It’s interesting how obvious it is that people make fatuous, ignorant claims without even bothering to read the article the carefully selected excerpt came from. Heaven forbid they see something closer to reality that the BS that’s served them.

michael hart
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 21, 2018 8:48 pm

I don’t think the excerpt is unreasonable (and you can have copyright issues for reproducing all of an article).
Even when trying to be reasonable, he still blows it with:

“I think that people can deny climate change in good faith, and that a lot of people do.”

Yet he still uses the D-word pejoratively, even if he does also refer to himself as previously have been one.
In my experience, on this blog and elsewhere, you have to go a long way to find a person who actually denies that climate changes. Is he really so inept at using the English language? Or is he just deliberately mis-characterizing people who question the magnitude, rate, and significance of human-caused climate change? Either way, he doesn’t deserve to be taken seriously.

Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 22, 2018 5:09 am

Kristi, most of us have read 100s of articles like this already predicting all manners of global warming hells to come.
A person has to fully believe it really will happen to keep reading any more of these. We don’t believe in “writings” however, we believe in “facts and proof”.

ferdberple
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 22, 2018 6:35 am

without even bothering to read the article
==========
Nope. I read the article. You are complaining that we didn’t understand what he was saying.
But you haven’t told us what solution he is proposing.
What I read is his proposal is that we all wear a hair shirt. His is sorry about this but he can’t think of a better solution.
Left unsaid is that there cannot be a better solution because he travelled the world and if there was a better solution he would have found it.
For my part I’m skeptical that his proposed solution is better for me and my family. I don’t believe trading one hell for another hell solves anything. I’m going with plan B instead.

tom s
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 22, 2018 6:55 am

What temperature of earth is the correct temperature and why?

Gums
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 22, 2018 7:35 am

TY, Tom. I was wondering the same thing.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 22, 2018 9:13 pm

Bill Illis,
I don’t think you should speak for everyone here.
“Kristi, most of us have read 100s of articles like this already predicting all manners of global warming hells to come.
A person has to fully believe it really will happen to keep reading any more of these. We don’t believe in “writings” however, we believe in “facts and proof”.”
Well, this one doesn’t make any predictions at all. You are wrong about your assumptions, based on an excerpt and comments.
You have read 100s of articles like this? Where? Why?

schitzree
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 23, 2018 7:58 pm

I don’t know if bill speaks for everyone here, but he sure speaks for me.
I too have read 100’s of articles like this one. And I’ve read hundreds more that where based on the previous Scares. Peak Oil. The Ozone Hole. The Population Bomb.
That’s the reason I’m skeptical of CAGW. Not because I think I know more then ‘Scientists’, but because I’ve been through all this before as one of the believers. I truly believed back in the 80’s and early 90’s that civilization was doomed unless we switched over to renewables and Hydrogen like Popular Science always promoted before the Oil ran out.
But guess what. The Oil didn’t run out by 2000 like they predicted. It still hasn’t almost 2 decades later. And the world hasn’t starved either.
So forgive me if I’m not first in line to join the new ‘sustainable’ world, and live in misery on the off chance it will somehow stop a possible miserable future.
~¿~

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Bushkid
April 22, 2018 3:24 am

after 20+yrs of LNL n Adams i heartily agree re the run away bit
typical ABC govvy funded wont boot him off or retire him, same as Williams on the “science” show
personal agenda and full on warmist only views allowed expression
they took a swipe at our Reef chap sat on his daring to speak up and the lawsuit upcoming.
ABC radio national 12pm sat show for those who might want to hear it.

Jones
April 21, 2018 6:50 pm

Hate to sound like a cynic but I’m quite sure he doesn’t mean HE has to do without.
If I’m wrong I apologise.

Quilter52
Reply to  Jones
April 21, 2018 7:23 pm

Jones, i think you are absolutely spot on . They, like this drill Vollmann, when talking about regulation to make us less polluting and more pro-global warming are using the royal we, meaning us not them!

Jones
Reply to  Quilter52
April 21, 2018 7:37 pm

Yup and until proven otherwise I’ll stick to my view.
They display their authoritarian streak by their proclamations.

April 21, 2018 6:55 pm

I don’t follow his logic. He’s saying we should embrace one uncomfortable life (lower standard of living, dictatorial policies) in order to avoid another uncomfortable life (climate change, whatever that entails, and that’s going to happen anyway).
In order to get people on board with your ideas, you have to leave them something to lose.

John Harmsworth
Reply to  azariahkribbs
April 21, 2018 7:25 pm

Good point! Come on over to my Hell! Yeah, I know. It’s worse than your Hell, but I made it special for you. Just ’cause I hate ‘ya!
Lol!

Gums
Reply to  John Harmsworth
April 22, 2018 7:37 am

+10

Kristi Silber
Reply to  azariahkribbs
April 21, 2018 7:57 pm

Did you read the article?

Sara
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 21, 2018 8:04 pm

Yes, Kristi, I read the article. He’s psychotic, and you are blind to it.

drednicolson
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 22, 2018 3:02 am

People *do* read things in full and come up with conclusions different from your own.
Shocking, I know.

hunter
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 22, 2018 3:22 am

Yes. Vollman is a Captain Queeg:
A mediocre, long winded, paranoid wackjob.

MarkW
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 22, 2018 6:49 am

Sara, she’s not blind to it. She’s in favor of it.

Sara
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 22, 2018 9:57 am

MarkW, you could be quite right.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 22, 2018 9:27 pm

Mark and Sara, you guys are so funny! In favor of what? There’s no proposal.
How nice of you to slander me together, so I can address you at the same time. I appreciate it, really.

Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 23, 2018 4:10 am

Kristi this man is a would be if he could be, nothing more and nothing less, he is a nobody trying to be a famous somebody without the nous.

MarkW
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 23, 2018 8:08 am

Not only does Kristi not read the article she is defending, she doesn’t even read the posts she is responding to.
At least she’s consistent.

Fredar
Reply to  azariahkribbs
April 22, 2018 3:14 am

Yeah, and because of history we know exactly what lower standards of living and dictatorial policies cause. Poverty, misery, violence and, ironically, making people care less about the environment (they have other things to worry about). Climate change on the other hand is still big IF.

kaliforniakook
Reply to  azariahkribbs
April 22, 2018 12:35 pm

+1. Excellent observation.

MarkW
April 21, 2018 6:59 pm

If he was suspected of being the Unabomber, then he’s been a nut case for a long time.

April 21, 2018 7:04 pm

Pardon Me While I Burst Into Flames

kenji
Reply to  Max Photon
April 21, 2018 7:53 pm

One of my favorites. Who knew it was all about our ultimate warmist fate …?

Reply to  kenji
April 21, 2018 8:08 pm

And no AutoTune!
Incidentally, did you ever see the South Park episode where Stan learns his dad is the singer Lorde?

TA
April 21, 2018 7:05 pm

From the article: “For a long time I was a climate change denier,” says author, journalist, and war correspondent William T. Vollmann. “I didn’t want to be stressed out by something that might someday affect people after I’m dead.”
He’s not really a skeptic, he wants to ignore the Climate Change debate entirely. He just wants to put it out of his mind. That will work for a lot of complicated things, although you don’t get many answers when you refuse to think about things.

Alan Tomalty
Reply to  TA
April 21, 2018 10:20 pm

Ya a real skeptic studies the problem in real depth and comes to a conclusion based on valid evidence. He never did that , so he cant claim to have been a skeptic.

MarkW
Reply to  TA
April 22, 2018 6:53 am

Most alarmists are convinced that everyone who disagrees with them is doing so for invalid motives.
Vollman assumes that people just don’t want to deal with the consequences, so they ignore the whole issue of global warming.
Kristi is always accusing those who disagree with her of being in the pay of either the Koch brothers or big oil.

Sara
Reply to  MarkW
April 22, 2018 10:00 am

That, and/or anyone who doesn’t agree with her is insulting her and engaging in hate speech.

MarkW
Reply to  MarkW
April 22, 2018 11:35 am

She’s got a degree in ecology and environment.
Doesn’t that mean she’s an expert in everything to do with climate?

Kristi Silber
Reply to  MarkW
April 22, 2018 9:38 pm

MarkW,
“Kristi is always accusing those who disagree with her of being in the pay of either the Koch brothers or big oil.”
You lie. That’s how low you go, you flat out lie.
Apart from that, my Master’s is in ecology and evolution, not environment.
Sara,
“That, and/or anyone who doesn’t agree with her is insulting her and engaging in hate speech.”
More lies. “Hate speech”????
I say you insult me because you do, very consistently and personally, from the beginning. Few others do in quite the same way.

MarkW
Reply to  MarkW
April 23, 2018 8:09 am

Not only does Kristi not read the posts she is responding to, she doesn’t read her own posts as well.
Now that’s university class consistency.

MarkW
Reply to  MarkW
April 23, 2018 8:10 am

As to your degree, what’s the difference between one made up degree and another?

Tom Judd
April 21, 2018 7:07 pm

It probably shouldn’t be all that surprising that Vollmann’s father was a university professor. Back when Vollmann was 9 years old his parents gave him supervisory duty over his 6 year old sister when she drowned while swimming. For parents to expect a 9 year old to babysit a 6 year old is the height of irresponsibility. (Heck, I wouldn’t trust a lot of 25 year old males to babysit a 6 year old.) Vollmann seems to have spent a lifetime immersed in unimaginable guilt over it. He should stop listening to the guilt and recognize that the grownups should’ve been in charge that day. But there’s no reason to allow him to attempt to transfer that torment onto us.

John Robertson
April 21, 2018 7:14 pm

Sorry what?
Famous Author?
Novelist?
I have been a voracious reader for 50 years,never heard of this loon.
So what is his claim to fame?
Unreadable works of navel gazing,with ear lint festooned rants?
However I will mark the name,do not finance this nutjob. Check.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  John Robertson
April 21, 2018 7:55 pm

He writes Postmodern felgercarb. Unless you’re into masochism, you’ve not read much of that, if any. I hope he and Dolores will find help.

John Bell
Reply to  John Robertson
April 22, 2018 8:54 am

Good one, JR!

nvw
April 21, 2018 7:17 pm

After reading a review of Vollman’s work in early 1990’s, I tried to wade through “The Ice Shirts”. Bad idea. I’ve made worse mistakes, but at least with Vollman’s books I am allowed the luxury of placing them in the trash, and the added pleasure of watching the garbage truck pull up at the curb, grab the trash-container, lifting it up, tilting, tipping and woosh! Gone.
Don’t waste your time with this clown.

commieBob
April 21, 2018 7:19 pm

There is a particular kind of hubris in which very accomplished people imagine they can do the impossible.
Prescribing how people should conduct their affairs presupposes that the prescriber knows how the prescribed behaviour will turn out. There is ample evidence that experts can’t predict the future. That means they should not prescribe.
A study of history shows that totalitarians who attempt to impose their utopias always fail … miserably … and lots of people die in the process.

John Harmsworth
Reply to  commieBob
April 21, 2018 7:37 pm

I think this is different, Bob. This is an emotionally disfunctional human being thinking he can do something worthwhile. His sole talent appears to be wordsmithing. What you actually write has to be at least as relevant and important as how well you write it
He’s just a cheerleader at the death bed of Western Civilization.

Sara
Reply to  John Harmsworth
April 21, 2018 8:31 pm

If you want to be considered “brilliant” or whatever as an author, clarity is as important as content and turn of phrase.
I found ‘The Ice Shirt’ on Amazon. I read several pages. It is babbledygook. It is drivel. He has no story there. It is twaddle. His misuse of vocabulary is a blatant attempt to obscure the fact that he can’t create a story.
The Vikings were damned fine story tellers. Their bardic tradition demanded it. He can’t hold a candle to them.

drednicolson
Reply to  John Harmsworth
April 22, 2018 3:16 am

Have something to say and say it as clearly as you can. That’s the only secret of style.
Somebody said that, I forget who. Anyway, from what I’ve seen, Mr. Vollsman doesn’t get passing marks for either.

commieBob
Reply to  John Harmsworth
April 22, 2018 4:14 am

Sara April 21, 2018 at 8:31 pm
… clarity is as important as content and turn of phrase.
I found ‘The Ice Shirt’ on Amazon. I read several pages. It is babbledygook. It is drivel. He has no story there. It is twaddle. His misuse of vocabulary is a blatant attempt to obscure the fact that he can’t create a story.

The experts and cultural gatekeepers have foisted a lot of crap on us. When we complain, they put us down as stupid and uncultured. Hans Christian Anderson described the process in ‘The Emperor’s New Clothes’. We all heard the story as children. It’s sad that most people didn’t retain the lesson into adulthood.
Anis Shivani has compiled a list of the 15 most overrated contemporary American writers. William T. Vollmann is first on the list. link

Bad writing is characterized by obfuscation, showboating, narcissism, lack of a moral core, and style over substance. Good writing is exactly the opposite.

I suspect that Vollmann would consider it a badge of honour that his writing is incomprehensible to the reading public. His lack of clarity is deliberate. It’s what’s demanded by the academy. Modern literature is mostly word salad … not very good and not very nourishing.

Sara
Reply to  John Harmsworth
April 22, 2018 10:07 am

Abusing a lexicon’s contents does not infer that the abuser is a wordsmith. It may, however, indicate that because the writer really has nothing to say, he chooses to confuse the reader by using and/or misusing obscure terms and sloppy structure.
(Translation: Just because you have a copy of the Oxford Unabridged, it doesn’t mean you can fool the public into thinking you’re the next Plato or Hemingway.)

Reply to  commieBob
April 22, 2018 5:54 pm

So if he get’s a Nobel Prize in literature, what’s it really for?

MarkW
Reply to  J. Philip Peterson
April 22, 2018 7:30 pm

In recent years, it means you write stuff that the self styled elite want to hear.

Joel O'Bryan
April 21, 2018 7:45 pm

“…occasionally tan my face with gamma rays.”
Huh? Maybe chop up your chromosomes into many fragments, induce many genetic DNA lesions, and deeply burn tissues and organs at high flux levels…. but tan with gamma rays… uh no. Photon energy is far too high to induce the tanning (melanin) response in melanocytes, it simply kills them.
This guy is simply an off-the-deep end mental illness case.

Chimp
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
April 21, 2018 8:36 pm

Not to mention scientific illiterate.
Good riddance to bad rubbish. He did the world a great favor by removing himself from it.
His fellow CACA criminals should only have his honesty.

Kristi Silber
April 21, 2018 7:46 pm

What a lot of assumptions and assertions have been made about this guy.
This, from Tom Judd, is about the most disgusting and shameful I’ve read,
“Vollmann seems to have spent a lifetime immersed in unimaginable guilt over it. …But there’s no reason to allow him to attempt to transfer that torment onto us.”
You use a childhood tragedy as a tool against him in an argument about policy? That’s just messed up.

Sara
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 21, 2018 8:10 pm

Snap out of it, Kristi. He’s claiming a “split personality” named Dolores. He refuses to recognize the reality of rice as a staple of diet for over two billion people.
He’s psychotic and you are blind to it.
Stop defending someone who would just as soon see you dead as look at you. He says that in his article. Apparently that escaped your notice.
Get over yourself.

joelobryan
Reply to  Sara
April 21, 2018 8:24 pm

+10

J Mac
Reply to  Sara
April 21, 2018 10:38 pm

Well said, Sara!
I’ve had my fill of ‘babbledygook’ today from Vollman, alt-Dolores, and Kristi today!
PS: Thanks for ‘babbledygook’ – Love It!

Sara
Reply to  Sara
April 22, 2018 10:09 am

I’d bet the cost of a nice dinner that alt-Dolores is the “ghost” of his dead 6-year-old sister. Hey, it happens!

Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 21, 2018 8:27 pm

Tom, go to your room.
+1 … but go to your room.

Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 21, 2018 10:39 pm

“Vollmann seems to have spent a lifetime immersed in unimaginable guilt over it. …But there’s no reason to allow him to attempt to transfer that torment onto us.”
Kristi, I’ve been analyzing Tom’s comment using a scanning electron microscope with the dial set to 11, and I can’t find a trace of anything disgusting or shameful.
Am I missing something?

hunter
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 22, 2018 3:28 am

“Kristi” could be one of Vollman’s sock puppets on a trolling expedition.

David Smith
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 22, 2018 3:31 am

Kristi,
Vollman is extremely childish:
He refuses to use a cellphone. Why? What point does that prove? How does he think the journalists who come to interview him and give him the oxygen of publicity contact his agent/publisher?
He refuses to use email. Why? How does he think his publisher contacts the printers to arrange for his over-worthy tomes to be published?
In the same way that he rails against the fossil-fuels that power the printers and vehicles that get his books into the bookstores, the bog-standard and harmless technology that he obstinately refuses to use is still supporting his career. His luddism is pointless and achieves nothing, apart from making life for those around him that he relies on more difficult.
My acid test about anybody is would I want to share a pint with someone in the pub. When it comes to Vollman I think I’d rather slit my wrists.

Jtom
Reply to  David Smith
April 22, 2018 7:42 am

Don’t know about staying long enough to drink a pint (though I am very fast at it), but I would like to see the look on his face when I tell him he has done less for Mankind than a worker in a rice paddy. Except for leaving a huge (beneficial) carbon footprint, he seems to have done little to help the world.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  David Smith
April 22, 2018 8:20 pm

What business is it of yours why he doesn’t use email or have a cell phone? Now who’s trying to dictate how others live? It’s astounding how judgmental people are.

Chimp
Reply to  David Smith
April 22, 2018 8:24 pm

Kristi,
Are you really so deaf to reality as not to realize that those most judgmental are the CACA advocates who want to imprison and kill climate skeptics?

MarkW
Reply to  David Smith
April 23, 2018 8:11 am

None of her professors told her about that stuff, therefore it didn’t happen.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  David Smith
April 23, 2018 1:00 pm

Chimp,
“Are you really so deaf to reality as not to realize that those most judgmental are the CACA advocates who want to imprison and kill climate skeptics?”
That’s pretty judgmental, for sure, but those strategies have also been suggested around here to control the CAGW crowd. Are you deaf to that? There are extremists, fanatics on both sides. So what?
What does CACA stand for?

David Smith
Reply to  David Smith
April 24, 2018 5:01 am

What business is it of yours why he doesn’t use email or have a cell phone? Now who’s trying to dictate how others live? It’s astounding how judgmental people are.

I’m not trying to dictate to Vollman what he should do. He can do whatever he likes. I’m just pointing out that what he does do is extremely childish. Hence, I’ve got no time for the daft little wally.

hunter
Reply to  Kristi Silber
April 22, 2018 6:28 am

Speculating reasonably about facts is not personally attacking someone.
Vollman deserves no less.

markl
April 21, 2018 8:19 pm

Yet he gets press while skeptics do not. Tell me I’m a conspiracy theorist.

April 21, 2018 8:30 pm

Vollman is just another sick pr!ck Groucho Marxist.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/12/25/al-gore-bilks-people-at-christmas-asking-for-climate-crisis-money/comment-page-1/#comment-2701695
[excerpt]
Marxism made simple!
The Groucho Marxists are the leaders – they want power for its own sake at any cost, and typically are sociopaths or psychopaths. The great killers of recent history, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot. etc. were of this odious ilk – first they get power, then they implement their crazy schemes that do not work and too often kill everyone who opposes them.
The Harpo Marxists are the followers – the “sheeple” – these are people of less-than-average intelligence who are easily duped and follow the Groucho’s until it is too late, their rights are lost and their society destroyed. They are attracted to simplistic concepts that “feel good” but rarely “do good”.
George Carlin said: “You know how stupid the average person is, right? Well, half of them are stupider than that!”
One can easily identify many members of these two groups in the global warming debate – and none of them are ”climate skeptics”.

J Mac
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
April 21, 2018 10:48 pm

Allan,
I don’t think intelligence (or lack of it) is Vollman’s problem. He needs to be dropped into a straight jacket and committed to a facility that can treat his multiple personalities as well as his schizophrenic violent delusions.

Reply to  J Mac
April 22, 2018 12:48 am

J Mac:
This guy is probably a sociopath or psychopath – if he had power he would probably follow in the steps of the great killers of the 20th Century. Between them, these psychos (Mao, Hitler, Stalin, etc.) killed about 200 million people.
Repeating from above:
“The Groucho Marxists are the leaders – they want power for its own sake at any cost, and typically are sociopaths or psychopaths. The great killers of recent history, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot. etc. were of this odious ilk – first they get power, then they implement their crazy schemes that do not work and too often kill everyone who opposes them.”
“The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic.”
– attributed to Josef Stalin

hunter
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
April 22, 2018 3:36 am

+10

RockribbedTrumpkin
April 21, 2018 9:26 pm

Rewatch the 10:10 video where environmentalists blow up little children
https://youtu.be/5-Mw5_EBk0g

hunter
Reply to  RockribbedTrumpkin
April 23, 2018 3:41 am

I wonder if Vollman/Dolores ws disappointed that the video was not more popular?

Myron Mesecke
April 21, 2018 9:28 pm

I wonder if he has also hiked through the woods that Apple bulldozed in install solar panels? Or hiked on the hills and mountains whose tops have been flattened to install wind turbines?

Jones
Reply to  Myron Mesecke
April 21, 2018 9:42 pm

Wind turbines?
If I understand this individual correctly there would be no means of generating electricity in his glorious peoples’ utopia.
Except for his electronic devices in order to be able to spread the good message.
And surveillance systems of course to monitor the people’s filthy carbon production. Those still alive that is. Any who transgress can presumably be despatched by carbon-neutral means. Stoning and that kind of thing.
Am I being unkind or mischaracterising?

Louis
April 21, 2018 9:40 pm

If you give me a choice between Vollmann’s self-inflicted “regulatory hell” (which may or may not do anything at all to prevent climate change) or a possible climate hell in the future, I’ll take the climate hell any day. We have a good chance of adapting to climate change. But you can never get ahead of regulations because they continually evolve from bad to worse (exhibit A: California). And to top it off, the self-proclaimed elites who impose ever-more-burdensome regulations on the populous believe it is their moral duty to make the masses suffer for the mere sin of being born as a carbon entity.

SAMURAI
April 21, 2018 9:47 pm

At the core of Leftist’s socio-economic philosophy is the necessity to initiate force against the will of the people through: theft, coercion, compulsion, corruption, and the implantation of onerous, and carpricious: rules, taxes, regulations and mandates.
CAGW is the one of most expensive and extensive manifestations of Leftist tyrannical rule, and will initiate any force necessary to assure its goals are achieved.
Unfortunately for Leftists, CAGW has already been disconfirmed under the rules of the scientific method and NONE of their dire hypothetical CAGW predictions are even close to reflecting reality.
My hope is that the inevitable demise of CAGW will enlighten people to the failure and nefarious nature of Leftism and will demand their governments only fulfil their duties to protect individuals’ inalienable rights of life, freedom from government oppression and individual property rights— without the initiation of force…
We’ll see if my hopes become a reality, which I, knowing history, serious doubt…

Alan Tomalty
Reply to  SAMURAI
April 21, 2018 10:42 pm

All democracies eventually self destruct because of either some strongman takes over whether on the left or right OR the bureaucracy takes over and the people eventually get so sick of the bureaucracy that they vote in a strongman who isnt really what he says he was. Modern examples Zimbabwe, Venezuela …Turkey……The Phillipines…….etc.. It just takes longer for more advanced democracies but they too eventually succumb to socialist ideas because of the one man/woman one vote principal. Any democracy that has any party that believes in a religion as its core belief Ex: Muslim parties like the Muslim Brotherhood or the Green parties with climate change or green utopia as their core religion eventually either get enough votes to hold the legislature hostage (as is happening in British Columbia Canada ) OR eventually win power through enough votes. It happened in Chile once with Allende until the CIA toppled him. It will happen again to every present democracy. My only saving grace is since I am old I wont live to see it. i will end this rant with a new idea that I came up with last month and which I posted about. THAT IS Believing in any religion be it a God or AGW actually makes you dumber. I think there could be tests for this . I would like to see a scientific study about it. Of course it wouldn’t be valid if an alarmist climate scientist or a skeptic climate scientist was doing the study. Unfortunately there arent too many scientists who are in exactly the middle. The debate has become too polarized.

ferdberple
Reply to  Alan Tomalty
April 22, 2018 6:01 am

Double blind methodology can eliminate bias. What you are looking for is àn honest researcher. Diogenes might has something to say on the subject.

SAMURAI
Reply to  Alan Tomalty
April 22, 2018 7:44 am

Alan-San:
I agree that democracies will always fail once citizens realize they can vote themselves more of other peoples’ money stolen on their behalf by Leftist government hacks.
Our Founding Fathers loathed democracies for the aforementioned reason, which is why they originally established a Limited Government Constitutional Republic where the government is ONLY allowed to spend money on tasks Constitutionally enumerated, regardless of whether 51% of elected officials wish buy votes with wealth redistribution nonsense stolen from hard working Americans.
Granted, after Wilson’s and FDR’s presidencies, along with some atrocious SCOTUS rulings under their terms in office, the US Constitution now basically reads, “The Government can do whatever the hell it wants.”
Prior to Wilson, US State and Federal governments only wasted around 7% of GDP, whereas now, they devour close to 50% (including $2 trillion/yr in rule/regulation compliance costs).
Because the US trashed their Constitution, the US now has $20+ trillion in national debt (growing @ $1 trillion/yr) and has $200 trillion in unfundead liabilities….
We’ve become the world’s soup kitchen, ATM, and policeman, which has got to stop.
Cheers, Alan.

hunter
Reply to  Alan Tomalty
April 23, 2018 3:44 am

The record seems to imply that not all relgions produce the sort of dumbing down and misanthropy that is so notable in the climate consensus.

RAH
April 21, 2018 9:57 pm

Miserable, self absorbed people love trying to make everyone else miserable. Can you imagine sitting down at a bar relaxing and having a beer and having this guy sit down next to you? Most sane people would either get up and move or finish up and get out.

Dr. S. Jeevananda Reddy
April 21, 2018 10:07 pm

For a Change:
The Guadian dated 22nd April 2018 presented a report “Mozambique prays for rain as water shortage hit country’s poor”. [as they don’t accept my comments, I presenting my opinion here].
It states that — Jonathan Farr, a senior policy analyst at Wateraid, said climate change was “eating up the world’s water”, while also making it harder to find a solution. “Things that have worked in the past are no longer enough. Climate change makes everything considerably more serious. Cape Town was something you wouldn’t expect to happen. We are now seeing it potentially in Maputo.”
An hour’s drive west from Maputo is the vast Pequenos Libombos dam, which feeds into the Umbeluzi river, the main source of water supply to Greater Maputo. Completed in 1987, the dam has a capacity of 400 million square metres. But in the last two years, the water level has dropped dramatically. Standing on the bridge above the reservoir, Jaime Timba, the dam’s director, points to a series of yellow guages on the dam’s wall, well above the current water level.
In early 80s I worked in Mozambique for FAO as Expert/Dy. Team Leader — agro-ecological zones project & crop early warning project.
I collected and analysed the rainfall data of Mozambique. They were presented in books form and available in the National Institute of Agriculture [library]. Catuane is a location closer to the dam. It presented a 54 year cycle. It followed similar to Durban in South Africa with 66 year cycle followed W followed by M shaped pattern. W is in the below the average 33 year period and M is in the above the average pattern. The Catuane 54 year cycle also presented W followed by M pattern [instead of 33 years, it is 27 years period]. The current W [below the average 27 year period] started in 1997 and will be continuing upto around 2024 [in between around 3 years above the average rainfall].
However, these cyclic patterns change as we move from south to north & east to west in Mozambique.
Dr. S. Jeevananda Reddy

hunter
Reply to  Dr. S. Jeevananda Reddy
April 23, 2018 3:45 am

Dr. Reddy,
Fascinsting study. I hope you do write an article on this.

April 21, 2018 11:02 pm

We should all pitch in and buy him a little cheer-me-up.comment image

Reply to  Max Photon
April 21, 2018 11:03 pm

I think that’s his size.

MarkW
Reply to  Max Photon
April 22, 2018 7:11 am

If it isn’t his size, it might fit Dolores.

GoatGuy
Reply to  Max Photon
April 22, 2018 7:33 am

And, in the ultimate irony of the endless stupidity of sheeple, the ignorant version of the same t-shirt: (GoatGuy)
https://www.cafepress.com/mf/30233172/i-love-co2_tshirt?desired_product_type=1398
Superscript? Really? Some designer is woefully unaware of chemistry notation. It is like what I just (astoundingly) encountered: I gave a 24 year-old millennial a birthday card. Wrote a half page long birthday wish. I used my very best Spencerian connected handwriting (its taken 50 years to develop a ‘beautiful hand’) to write the birthday cheer. Now, understand that if you read handwriting at all, this hand is the epitome of clarity. The fellow claimed an inability to read the connected handwriting at all. Gave the card to his girlfriend, who also couldn’t read it. One of the dozen adults took a look and easily read it off to them. The card was passed around, and as always happens, I got many accolades per the penmanship.
The point? The point is that the modern generation is FULL of otherwise (one would think) educated people who are woefully ignorant of a remarkable swathe of things. Ignorant of science, ignorant of literature, ignorant of nominal duties and tasks of living. Ignorant of the law, ignorant of self-care, ignorant of behavioral expected norms in social settings. Ignorant of causality, ignorant of the rigor of correct attribution, ignorant of rhetoric, ignorant of free speech, ignorant of history, ignorant of geography and geopolitical ideologies.
Just saying.
Ignorance in the next generation is profound.
Thank you “smart phone”.
GoatGuy

Reply to  GoatGuy
April 22, 2018 8:31 am

I too love the pen and penmanship, so I appreciate your gift.
When I was in about 4th grade, my teacher, a nun, told us to always celebrate our handwriting, as it is the very sign — the pulse — of our being alive.
That made a HUGE impact on me, and I have always loved and enjoyed my penmanship ever since. This really amplified in college physics and math courses; I took great pride in making all of the formulae as beautiful as possible.
I think it is an absolute abomination that cursive has been erased from following generations. Much more is lost than people realize.

Crispin in Waterloo but really in Potchefstroom
April 21, 2018 11:39 pm

Vollmann adds to my discomfort, knowing how much must be done to bring real world perspectives to the different problems that must be handled to create an ever-advancing civilisation.
Strip mining is one way to ‘manage’ mining. How that is done has nothing to do with whether or not CO2 greatly raises the global temperature. It is the conflation of pollution with methane and CO2 emissions that lies at the root of his fanaticism.
The very sensible ship fighting against pollution has been hijacked by uninvited stowaways.

Crispin in Waterloo but really in Potchefstroom
April 21, 2018 11:39 pm

Vollmann adds to my discomfort, knowing how much must be done to bring real world perspectives to the different problems that must be handled to create an ever-advancing civilisation.
Strip mining is one way to ‘manage’ mining. How that is done has nothing to do with whether or not CO2 greatly raises the global temperature. It is the conflation of pollution with methane and CO2 emissions that lies at the root of his fanaticism.
The very sensible ship fighting against pollution has been hijacked by uninvited stowaways.

4TimesAYear
April 22, 2018 12:24 am

Anyone who thinks “energy consumption” is an “ideology” is sick in the head. Has he tried going without it?

4TimesAYear
April 22, 2018 12:27 am

Oh, I forgot to ask what his living accommodations look like. Someone needs to start keeping track of how the hypocrites live so we can show them exactly who it is that needs to reduce their carbon footprint.

Jones
Reply to  4TimesAYear
April 22, 2018 12:29 am

4Times,
You forget, THEIR carbon footprint is virtuous and for OUR good.

Smart Rock
Reply to  4TimesAYear
April 22, 2018 7:55 am

4times: this was his living arrangement in 2009 (easy enough to find out in the information age)

William T. Vollmann, legendarily prolific, writes in a studio that used to be a restaurant in Sacramento. The place is surrounded by a big parking lot where he encourages homeless people to camp out.

but then, something that might make him appealing to some of the conservative-minded of those who hang out at WUWT:

Mr. Vollmann collects pistols and likes to shoot them.

and then again, he:

has a way of picking up prostitutes just about wherever he goes. He has spent considerable time with skinheads, winos, crackheads and meth tweakers, and has ingested plenty of illegal substances himself

He appears, on a quick stroll through the internet, to be a very intelligent eccentric, who spends a lot of time observing, thinking and writing (at interminable length) about what he perceives as the ills of the 21st century world. But not so much about offering solutions to the problems he sees.
Although the head-post article suggests he has belatedly discovered global warming/climate change and latched on to the alarmist worldview that posits:
■ global warming is happening (or if it isn’t, climate change, whatever that means, is)
■ it must be bad
■ it must be caused by human activity
■ it must be stopped by modifying human activity
■ if humans won’t modify their behaviour voluntarily, they must be coerced into it
Reading about his lifestyle suggests that he is the kind of person who doesn’t like regulations at all, but the quote about “regulatory hell” implies that he might reluctantly accept them to force an outcome that he favours.
The above quotes are from a NYT article at:
https://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/29/books/29vollman.html
Eric’s title that calls him a fanatic is a bit simplistic IMHO, unless “fanatic” is synonymous with “a very complex individual, some of whose opinions I don’t like very much”. Sorry, Eric, I’m getting carried away with my own verbosity. Tell me to shut up.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Smart Rock
April 22, 2018 9:26 am

“Mr. Vollmann collects pistols and likes to shoot them”
The pistols or the homeless he lets camp out in the parking lot?

4TimesAYear
Reply to  Smart Rock
April 22, 2018 2:40 pm

Thanks for the info. A very….strange person to say the least.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  Smart Rock
April 22, 2018 10:59 pm

Thank you, Smart Rock, for the sensible comment. Eccentric is much more apt than psychopath. (He doesn’t have a split personality, either. Where did that lie originate?)
The article in Harper’s is interesting, too. That’s the one in which he describes what’s in his FBI file – what he got of it. Those who appreciate freedom and privacy should feel for the guy. Someone turned him, thought there was a case based the content of his books. Weird story.

hunter
Reply to  Smart Rock
April 23, 2018 3:58 am

Pol Pot was an eccentric as well.
He was disturbed that so many people relied on things like eye glasses and dentures. Or liked things such as make up.
They were not authentic Pol Pot thought, and in fact cities were not authentic either. He convinced a dedicated group to join him to pursue his pastoralist vision in Cambodia and took power. About half of Cambodia was murdered by him and his band of true believers.
As to the NYT white wash, that faux paper never meets a “progressive” thug or wack job it dorsn’t praise. Its proud tradition of making evil people look good includes Stalin, Castro, Chavez, Maduro, Ho Chi Min, Pol Pot, and now this long winded over rated outz.

CKMoore
April 22, 2018 12:35 am

Vollmann says “I think that people can deny climate change in good faith, and that a lot of people do. It takes a certain familiarity with numbers, with the scientific method, and a trust in experts to begin to say, ‘All right, yeah, this is a serious problem.’ ”
This is pretty much the nub of what every catastrophic anthropogenic climate change warrior says–“Trust the experts we like because yours are no good.”
Being a windbag doesn’t indicate idiosyncracy and brilliance. He’s just some guy in awe of himself.

4TimesAYear
April 22, 2018 1:11 am

He’s not into nuclear as a solution either (not that a “solution” is needed)

David Smith
Reply to  4TimesAYear
April 22, 2018 3:35 am

That’s because nuclear works. Greenies don’t like things that actually work – it gives them nothing to complain about.

Hivemind
April 22, 2018 1:42 am

Eric, I have to respectfully disagree with your assessment of Volmann. He plainly isn’t living a life of misery. He is wealthy enough to tour the world to reinforce his prejudices and push his far-left agenda. What he actually wants is for us plebs to live in misery while he continues to swan about showing how much better he is than us.

Robert from oz
Reply to  Hivemind
April 22, 2018 2:15 am

I must be reading it wrong because he clearly states that we must burn more oil and coal and grow more rice to feed the hungry .
It’s a Baldrick cunning plan because after all the coal and oil are burnt we then have to have windmills and solar panels but no batteries they are too polluting . Must dash the men with the white coat are here .

David Smith
Reply to  Hivemind
April 22, 2018 3:34 am

And I bet you he didn’t travel the world on a bicycle…

hunter
Reply to  Hivemind
April 23, 2018 8:48 am

Many wealthy people are quite miserable.
The influential wealthy can impose their misery on many.
Think of George Soros, busy dismantling the West in a bizarre pathetic attempt to compensate for the misery of his youth.

Ed Zuiderwijk
April 22, 2018 2:00 am

The guy believes his own fairy tales. In other words, this know-it-all thinks he is god. I seem to remember that the bible says something about that level of arrogance. No wonder evangelicals don’t buy into the climate change nonsense.

jono1066
April 22, 2018 2:39 am

Found , the only one , THE `climate change denier` !!
As Mr Vollmann states “I was a climate change denier” , but then stupidly explains that by stating “I had other things to worry about” (which is not how one `denies` ) it seems like he misses the fact that no one denies climate change, just that the current modus operandi may not lead to gobal catastrophy which he obviously does as in his hot dark future.
His simplistic statements indicates he has little tenure on his subject from `equipment smoke affecting trees` to NASA`s photos showing the sun doesnt move.
I find it difficult to find a straight line thru this guy, he got a job as a computer programmer even though he new very little about programming “hates cars” doesnt use the internet, cell phones,credit cards or email “bullshit” but then has thousands of books physically printed (from chopped down trees) and flies all over the country to publicize them, and also `drifts` all over the world with only cash in pocket.
I guess his japanese translator probably got fed-up that Bill had never heard of a landline phone (maybe they dont have those in american houses anymore).
My advice Bill, just stick to fiction sounds like you are good at it.

hunter
April 22, 2018 2:40 am

How creepy.
He is doing in written form a sort of self-immolation like that self absorbed tragic lawyer.
Philip K. Dick, another famous eccentric author, spent much of his last years writing out of the increasingly insane obsessions that became darker and more bizarre.
Vollman is well along that same path.

hunter
Reply to  hunter
April 22, 2018 3:33 am

But before PK Dick lost his mind, he wrote some of the best Science Fiction of his generation.
Vollman seems to going straight to the madness part, with no detour through brilliance.

mwhite
April 22, 2018 3:18 am

Sara
Reply to  mwhite
April 22, 2018 8:25 am

Well, sure, why not? That’s was the NKVD (pre-KGB) did in the 1930s through 1950s. They found dupes they could use in celebrities in Hollywood, and prominent authors like Ernest Hemingway, people who were acceptable to the US establishment but leaned somewhat leftish until the McCarthy stuff took place. The pattern that emerged 80 years ago is underway again now. So is Putin funding this? Why not? He and that obnoxious person Soros have their own agendas, although I think Vlad’s is more oriented toward getting cash for his gas and oil products.

Edwin
Reply to  Sara
April 23, 2018 4:46 pm

Sara, Putin has made it clear to anyone paying attention what he desires. He believes one of the great tragedies in all of history was the dismantling of the Soviet Union. Few people know enough history to know that many of the Soviet states were a part of Czarist Russia, e.g., Ukraine. He blames the USA for the split up happening. He sees himself as a great Russian patriot so to disrupt the USA anyway he can is what he is going to do until they put him in a box. The KGB funded both radical political groups in the USA as well as radical environmental groups in Europe up until the Soviet Union rebranded itself and the SW states split off. He cares about oil and gas only as it funds those that keep him in power and as a weapon if and when the EU get out of line.

willhaas
April 22, 2018 3:51 am

The reality is that, based on the paleoclimate record and the work done with models, one can conclude that the climate change we have been experiencing is caused by the sun and the oceans over which mankind has no control. There is no real evidence that CO2 has any effect on climate and plenty of scientific rational to support the idea that the climate sensitivity of CO2 is really zero. If you really want to get rid of methane you have to get rid of all hydrocarbon compounds that might produce NH4 when they decay and those compounds include us. The AGW conjecture is based on only partial science. The AGW conjecture depends upon the existence of a radiant greenhouse effect that has not been observed anywhere in the solar system. The radiant greenhouse effect is science fiction so hence the AGW conjecture is science fiction. All the regulation in the world will have no effect on the Earth’s climate. It is all a matter of science.

Merrick
April 22, 2018 4:53 am

So, he’s pumping out enough ecobabble by the early 90s to figure prominently in the FBI’s Unabomber case , by his own claim, but at the same time declares himself a “long time climate denier.” So, like, that six weeks in his late 20s between Hansen’s Senate Circus and his emergence as an ecotwit classifies him as a “long time climate denier?” A designation which is supposed to lend some added credibility to his claims?

Jerry Henson
April 22, 2018 5:04 am

Rice and natural gas.
Natural gas upwells from the deep earth. When rice paddies are
drained, the soil culture can digest it, converting it to CO2.
When the paddies are flooded, the gas is forced to the surface
quicker than the aerobic microbes can digest it. Rice does not
produce Natural gas.

Reply to  Jerry Henson
April 22, 2018 7:22 am

The CH4 emitted from rice paddies is produced by the decay of organic matter in the soil. It is not coming from “up welling hydrocarbons”

beng135
April 22, 2018 5:34 am

He’s a novelist and journalist? Meh. Why would I be even slightly interested in his opinion on this matter?

ferdberple
April 22, 2018 5:45 am

“occasionally tan my face with gamma rays.
======
Nonsense. Only a scientific illiterate would think this true.
Gamma rays are high energy protons. In effect you are trying to get a tan from very tiny high speed bullets passing through your body. Good luck with that.
I believe the scientific term for this is “fruitcake”.

Curious George
Reply to  ferdberple
April 22, 2018 8:27 am

“Gamma rays are high energy protons.” Photons, not protons. Don’t get suck too deep into his work of literary fiction.

Reply to  Curious George
April 22, 2018 10:30 am

I should sue him for … um … depramation.

Reply to  ferdberple
April 22, 2018 10:34 am

And yes, gamma rays are high-energy photon; cosmic rays are mostly high-energy protons, with some heavier nuclei sprinkled in to add a little crunch.

April 22, 2018 5:56 am

Are we prepared to allow Progressives to weaponize government to impose their policies? We are allowing them to destroy the basic mechanism of peacefully resolving contentious issues if we do.
What is notable is not the science, but the socialistic demands of those who are attempting to use climate scaremongering as an excuse to usher in the long sought, but totally unsustainable, Progressive Utopia. This is ironic since the very same Progressives scold the rest of us on the topic of “sustainability.”
The science is settled: the climate is changing and always will be changing. In fact, something would be very wrong if the climate stopped changing. The issue was never really change, but the extent to which the change was going to harm our biosphere.
I don’t deny that less than 25,000 years ago northern Illinois was covered by more than mile of glacial ice. I don’t deny that green plants must have at least 160 ppm of CO2 to live. I don’t deny that at the peak of that last period of glaciation that the level of CO2 in the atmosphere bottomed out at about 180 ppm of CO2. I don’t deny that green plants almost ceased to exist.
I don’t deny that less than 12,000 years ago mammoths were flash frozen in Siberia with fresh grasses still in their stomachs. I don’t deny that 1,000 years ago Vikings in Greenland were cropping barley so they could use the grain to make beer. I don’t deny that millions of Europeans died in the Great Famine of 1315–17, caused by cold and wet conditions. I don’t deny that the Thames River froze solid to such an extent that during 26 separate winters from 1408 until 1814, Londoners were able to hold a Frost Fair on the ice.
Up until now, advocates of “climate change” demand solutions that converge far more on socialism than on anything else. This is a means to an ideological ends having nothing at all do do with protecting the biosphere. It is intended to advance the long awaited secular Utopia.
It seems with every passing day the one constant in the debate about this issue is far more about how socialistic the policy solutions must be than any other factor. That tells me that the “settled science” involved is far more Scientific Socialism than any real science.