Guest Brief by Kip Hansen
My attention was captured by the same story posted earlier: “Ozone at lower latitudes is not recovering, despite Antarctic ozone hole healing“.
Here’s the thing, even more interesting — Sometimes the science news cycle throws up interesting juxtapositions. That story appeared as one half of an interesting pair which both appeared in my email inbox today.
“Reduced energy from the sun might occur by mid-century—now, scientists know by how much“ — over at Tallbloke’s place — features the illustration of the solar cycle at the left and refers to a story at Phys.org by the same title. [More on this further on.]

The other bit of Science News came from the journal Science in the most recent Science News email alert pointing me to this article: “Disturbing losses of protective ozone near Earth’s equator may be tied to short-lived chemicals”. This second item contains this image from NASA Goddard —

— which shows a band of lowered concentration of stratospheric ozone girdling the Earth over the tropics. We are informed that “new findings suggest that at mid-latitudes, where most people live, the ozone layer in the lower stratosphere is growing more tenuous—for reasons that scientists are struggling to fathom.”
By “more tenuous”, they mean specifically that “that ozone in the lower stratosphere between 60°S and 60°N has indeed continued to decline since 1998.”
The finding comes from a paper in Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics authored by William Ball and a host of others titled “Evidence for a continuous decline in lower stratospheric ozone offsetting ozone layer recovery”. The general thrust of the paper is that while the “ozone hole” has seen improvement, the ozone layer’s total thickness in the mid-latitudes is declining and Ball and his colleagues suspect that the culprit is “very short-lived substances” (VSLSs): ozone-eating chemicals such as dichloromethane that break down within 6 months after escaping into the atmosphere.” Many of the “VSLSs are of natural origin—marine organisms produce dibromomethane, for example—use of human-made dichloromethane, an ingredient in solvents and paint removers, has doubled in recent years.”
Now we have something new to worry about — yet another human-caused threat to health and safety — maybe an ingredient in paint thinners is causing a dangerous thinning of the protective ozone layer where most of us live.
On the Other Hand —
Over at Phys.org, solar scientists are carefully explaining what is happening with the Sun. Bascially:
“The sun might emit less radiation by mid-century, giving planet Earth a chance to warm a bit more slowly but not halt the trend of human-induced climate change.
The cooldown would be the result of what scientists call a grand minimum, a periodic event during which the sun’s magnetism diminishes, sunspots form infrequently, and less ultraviolet radiation makes it to the surface of the planet. Scientists believe that the event is triggered at irregular intervals by random fluctuations related to the sun’s magnetic field.”
Well, that’s good news — the cool down of the Sun might save us from [cue scary music] Climate Change.
They also tell us this interesting little fact:
“The reduced energy from the sun sets into motion a sequence of events on Earth beginning with a thinning of the stratospheric ozone layer. That thinning in turn changes the temperature structure of the stratosphere, which then changes the dynamics of the lower atmosphere, especially wind and weather patterns. The cooling is not uniform. While areas of Europe chilled during the Maunder Minimum, other areas such as Alaska and southern Greenland warmed correspondingly.“
Have we seen “reduced energy from the sun”? I don’t know….maybe you do, but we do know that the Solar Cycle looks like this:

Could the thinning of stratospheric ozone in the Tropics be related to the reduced energy from the sun?
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Author’s Comment Policy:
This is just a note about two interesting papers appearing simultaneously. I don’t really have any opinion on the matter and am not very knowledgeable about either subject — the Sun or the Ozone Layer — so won’t be able to answer very many [any?] of your questions.
I’m interested in following the discussion in the comments.
Thanks for reading.
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Damn, I guess CO2 will reach 500ppm and we will all burn up…….LOL
Dr. Svalgaard, Thank you very much for the efforts (and patience you show) you offer to us here on WUWT. I don’t understand much of what I read, but I keep picking at it and sometimes understanding follows. Thank you again, good sir!
Tom Bakewell
It is my goal to be informative. And if you have questions, I’m ready to answer them [to the best of my ability based on what knowledge we have wrested from Mother Naure].
The scare about the O3 decline in the lower stratosphere hides the most important statement found in the Ball et al. paper, i.e. the TOC (total ozone column) remained more or less constant. As an supposedly dangerous increase of UVB radiation is suggested as the consequence of O3 thinning, it is refreshing to note that here in Luxembourg there is ***NO*** increase in erythemal UVB (also called UVE): look here). These measurements are confirmed by UCCLE in Belgium, which have one of the longest TOC series in the world. See their TOC trends here.
So: TOC remains constant (for ever reason), UVE remains constant –> there is NO problem!
fmassen ==> Thank you for the UV data from Lux — and the link to the data. Asked another reader to find a source for UV-at-the-ground data but not seen any other yet.
Here in the SH, the effective power of UV has lowered in recent years. With rare excursions from flare-ups. If the next SC is similar to this one as LS says, then we can expect more cooling.
Brett ==> I take is SH means Southern Hemisphere. Can you give us a link to the data source. I am trying to find a reliable long-term measurement of ground-level UV at various spots around the world.
Recovery of ozone over the poles and relatively less ozone over the equator is what I expect when the jets become more wavy at a time of less active sun:
http://joannenova.com.au/2015/01/is-the-sun-driving-ozone-and-changing-the-climate/
Those ozone changes combine to alter the gradient of tropopause height between equator and poles.
Any significant reduction in solar energy reaching the surface is due to more clouds from wavier jets (and not cosmic rays as per Svensmark).
True.
there are not many people who figured out that global T / & weather is driven by the amount of energy reaching the oceans which depends on the amount of UV going into the oceans.
I was astonished. Starting off my investigations, being made to believe that a trace gas like CO2 could ‘trap’ energy and make earth warmer, I now believe that a few trace gasses that are manufactured TOA by the most energetic particles coming from the sun can play a much bigger part by deflecting energy away from earth….
Yuo are still evading to answer my question.
leif
the question was answered.
It is not my problem if you don’t get it.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/02/07/more-about-ozone-at-lower-latitudes-is-not-recovering/#comment-2738298
looking at the solar magnetic field strengths, you can see that the top of the GB sine was in 1971 and the bottom was in 2014, as also confirmed by several of my own measurements. So the next solar cycle with anomalous SSN will be in 2037/38.
SC 28.
the question was answered.
It is not my problem if you don’t get it.
If you want to communicate, you do that by answering here and now. You were supposed to just give TWO numbers: your predicted Rmax for SC19 and SC20.
And if you want to gain some credibility you can explain how you got those precise numbers.
Take the average of each Hale cycle and you see the pattern.
No, there is no such pattern:
http://www.leif.org/research/Sunspot-Numbers-and-22-yr-Averages.png
And what are the two numbers you predict for SC19 and SC20?
Leif
I don’t think you did that right. Is that a moving average of 22 years?
Here is another approach.
I do 2 linear fits on the GB period 1927 to 2014 on the (single) Schwabe SSN
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/sidc-ssn/from:1927/to:1971/offset/trend/plot/sidc-ssn/from:1920/to:2018/plot/sidc-ssn/from:1969/to:2014/trend
Whichever way you look at it, something odd did occur around 1971. This is what you call a SSN result for a SC that nobody would expect. Seemingly anomalous. But clearly, to me, there was a turning point. If you look at the magnetic field strengths it looks like a (single) solar cycle within a (single) solar cycle.
I cannot do this with the wft program, but imagine that the red line is part of a half hyperbole moving up. The blue line is part of another half hyperbole moving down under. That means that around 1971 there was a dead end stop. There is no other way. There was an electrical switch in 1971 on the sun. [IMHO most probably caused by an additional gravitational pull from the planets. There are some before me who have postulated similar conclusions.]. In 2013-14 there was another dead end stop. The next dead end stop will be 43 years from 2014 (i.e. one half GB cycle ahead), i.e. 2037.
oops.
2014 + 43 = 2057.
Pity.
We won’t be around to see it happening.
HenryP and lsvalgaard ==> I don’t think you are going to resolve your differences here on this thread — unless something gives in one or the other of your viewpoints.
May I suggest a dual author post? You each write an explanation of your viewpoint in a thousand words or so, without reference to the view of the other. Just your view on what you are going on about, which is, I believe (if I understand correctly), what long-term Solar Cycles exist and which can be used to forecast future Solar Cycles.
If you each agree — then send your separate essays to me and I’ll try to put them together in a reasonable presentation for the readers here.
From the response of the readers here in comments, it should be a welcome essay.
If you both decide to try it, send your essays to me at my first name at the domain i4 decimal net.
Kip
I don’t have a problem with your proposal although it might be a bit of a challenge to say some useful on the GB cycle with only 1000 words available….
I doubt Leif will accept.
Henry ==> Guess we’ll have to see.
Admire your work for those in need … my wife and I did 11 years in the Northern Caribbean doing humanitarian work until we ‘retired’ two years ago.
I have described that in detail so many times, that it hardly seems worth the effort to repeat yet again.
To summarize(in 35 words or so): there has been a quasi-cycle of 105 years the past 300+ years, and no 87-yr cycle.
It is therefore not useful to base a solar cycle prediction on a non-existent 87-yr cycle.
Kip
thanks for that comment. I also appreciate very much what you have done to help those in need.
fyi
Here is my latest newsletter: my wife is also ‘retiring’ now.
I think she will help us to get a lot more things done…there is something about women that always make them succeed more in raising funds than men?
http://breadonthewater.co.za/heart-for-children/
Henry ==> IMHO, women really honestly care abut others on a very personal basis — it is part of their eternal nature — this attribute communicates to others naturally and invites others to help.