The EU Blows $683 million (£520m) on a carbon capture project – that captured nothing!

From the “models didn’t predict this”  and the “Climate Action” department:

An investigation found that Brussels blew the colossal sum of cash on a drive to build underground storage facilities for CO2 emissions – but no such facilities were ever constructed.

This week the architect of the scheme, a former Lib Dem MEP, admitted this was because officials bungled their predictions for the environmental costs facing businesses.

The revelations, uncovered by the website EUobserver, will heap further pressure on EU chiefs who are already facing increased scrutiny over their spending due to Brexit.

Britain’s departure from the bloc is set to blow a £9 billion a year hole in its budget, with a number of member states actively calling for Brussels’ largesse to be be reined in.

Eurosceptics in the UK have long complained about the cost and red tape related to European environmental regulations which they accuse of stifling entrepreneurial enterprise.

However, many academics and officials have raised concerns about Britain lowering standards once it leaves the EU and the detrimental impact this could have on the public health and the environment.

The reports concern a Carbon Capture and Storage (CCS) project the EU set up in 2007, which was designed to help companies reduce their emissions and so save money on Brussels’ green taxes.

Under the scheme businesses could buy pollution permits, or allowances, from eurocrats the proceeds of which would then be spent by the EU on capturing and storing carbon emissions.

However the fund, called NER300, did not support a single such project after officials catastrophically miscalculated carbon emissions pricing in Europe, which they expected to go up but which actually dropped drastically just after the programme was announced.

Reflecting on the scheme he helped create, former Lib Dem MEP Chris Davies told EUobserver: “The expectation was that the carbon price would rise from thirty euros up to a hundred euros.

“The incentive to not to have to pay a hundred euros a tonne for every tonne of CO2 emitted, was very strong indeed. The assumption was industry would do it, without us requiring any other means. Industry would take all these risks.”

However, he said that when the carbon price crashed – it now stands at just seven euros – the scheme attracted virtually no participants and only ended up funding projects already in the renewable category.

Source: http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/875213/European-Union-EU-wasted-green-project-carbon-capture-zero-results


More from the Global CCS Institute:

The failure of NER300

But it should all have been so different. Back in 2008, collaborative advocacy from industry and non-government organisations helped the European Parliament and Member States to secure an innovative funding mechanism for CCS. The NER300 scheme would sell allowances from the EU’s Emissions Trading System (ETS) to create a funding mechanism to support a suite of CCS demonstration projects, as requested by the European Council the year before. With carbon prices heading toward €30/tonne, it was hoped that up to €9 billion would be raised—providing the world’s largest fund for supporting innovative low–carbon technologies. Soon afterward, the European Energy Programme for Recovery (EEPR) selected six projects to receive fast-tracked assistance and a further €1.1 billion of public funding. The future looked bright.

In late December 2012, European Commissioner for Climate Action Connie Hedegaard finally announced the outcome of the first NER300 funding round—but could only award €1.2 billion to 23 innovative renewables projects across Europe. Not one CCS project was funded. What should have been the centrepiece of European CCS efforts had failed to deliver. It had taken EU institutions two years to finalise the programme, and a further two to scrutinise the bidding projects. This was far too long for a supposedly urgent process. But the roots of European difficulties on CCS reach far beyond the administration of the NER300 programme itself.

TWO FUNDING MECHANISMS, TWO FAILURES

Neither of the EC funding approaches has been able to cope with changed circumstances. But the blame must be shared beyond Brussels.

The EEPR funding provided by DG Energy has failed to secure a single project that has been able to move forward. The Vattenfall project at Jänschwalde pulled out due to public opposition and the failure of the German Government to pass an adequate CO2 storage law. Other projects have experienced technical delays or an absence of Member State support. Only Rotterdam’s ROAD project continues to sit in the starting blocks, but it is waiting for partners to emerge to share some of the funding gap. Its utility sponsors are unwilling to absorb on their own a financial hit anticipated to be in the region of €100 million. This is understandable from an individual company perspective, but mind-blowingly short-sighted from the energy sector as a whole. Other industrial players need to step up and provide support.

In respect of the NER300 funding process, it was primarily Member States that failed to deliver on the agreed milestones. They were asked to confirm the projects they would support, together with the level of co-funding they would contribute. Only the French Government confirmed co-funding for the proposed ArcelorMittal steel mill CCS project at Florange, and €275 million was assigned by the EC. Bizarrely, ArcelorMittal withdrew at the last minute, citing technical problems. The CCS project had become a political football, kicked out of the ground rather than toward the goal.

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Warren Blair
November 9, 2017 12:15 am

First to comment ok; I’m speechless!

Non Nomen
Reply to  Warren Blair
November 9, 2017 2:22 am

You’d better shout out loud – in Brussels and in Westminster.

Reply to  Warren Blair
November 9, 2017 4:44 am

Okay. Try this one. What causes money?

Reply to  ThomasJK
November 9, 2017 11:48 am

Better question: If they never built anything, what happened to the nearly seven hundred million dollars?

AndyG55
Reply to  ThomasJK
November 9, 2017 11:50 am

POCKETS !!!

jon
Reply to  ThomasJK
November 11, 2017 1:25 pm

CO2! or the Russians, maybe.

Old England
Reply to  Warren Blair
November 9, 2017 5:55 am

Nothing surprising and little changes in Eurocrat Fairyland …… the European Space Agency launched satellites with part of the intention being to generate revenues from selling GPS services…… seems nobody told them that there were global, Free GPS available from the US system !

For the last few years they’ve been working up an alternative – Road Pricing and pay per mile using GPS in cars – if that is run through the ESA satellites then 30+ years down the road from the Big Idea of revenue from GPS , they may have manufactured an income stream.

Reply to  Old England
November 9, 2017 6:23 pm

Your GPS uses the American satellites (GNSS) and also the Russian ones (GLONASS) unless you turned off the “use GLONASS” button that Garmin seems to think a necessary option. The Chinese are planning some of their own and I’d put my money on them having them up and running while the twerps in Brussels are still debating the matter. It’s having the Russian satellites up there that means you nearly always have 12 to 16 satellites in view, and which gives the 3 metre accuracy we usually get these days on hand-held and in-car GPS receivers.

Warren Blair
November 9, 2017 12:24 am

Apart from you just know everyone involved will be promoted then shortly after receive a massive payout commensurate with their seniority. Then they’ll buy investment property and leave their wife for a younger model in Spain and enjoy the CO2 millionaire lifestyle (on us) , , ,

gwan
November 9, 2017 12:25 am

And there are still so many in the UK who are desperate to exit Brexit

Non Nomen
Reply to  gwan
November 9, 2017 2:11 am

There are many many more in the rest of the “EU” who want to get out, but the ruling Euroc-rats always -still- manage to calm the waves. When the time has come, the French revolution will look like a nice and peaceful picknick compared to what these Kommissars have to expect.

Chris Riley
November 9, 2017 12:34 am

I have been to Brussels many times. It used to be a wonderful place to visit. It is now a dump. Its economy is is entirely devoted the production of stupidity. It is the stupidity capital of the world. I am certain that this nonsensical project is only a small fraction of one percent of their annual stupidity production.

John from Europe
Reply to  Chris Riley
November 9, 2017 12:42 am

So true…

Reply to  Chris Riley
November 9, 2017 7:28 am

… a new statistic !!!

GSP = “Gross Stupidity Product” — the dark sheep of GDP (“Gross Domestic Product) — not to be confused with GPS (“Global Positioning System) or with GWA (“Global Warming Alarmism”)

… although there appears to be a correlation between GWA and GSP. I’ll get to work on that graph now.

Pixie
Reply to  Robert Kernodle
November 9, 2017 9:17 am

The problem is that GSP can have an infinite value…

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Chris Riley
November 9, 2017 8:51 am

Did we not fight a war sometime in the distant past in order that Europe would not be ruled by unelected bureacrats from a city starting with ‘B?’

Resourceguy
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
November 9, 2017 9:40 am

Yes, there are many American graves to attest to that from both wars.

Catcracking
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
November 9, 2017 9:43 pm

Yes, SAD but true

hunter
Reply to  Chris Riley
November 9, 2017 1:15 pm

Lol.
“Stupidity Capital the World”
Has a nice ring to it
Post of the day!
Thanks.
+10

November 9, 2017 12:50 am

For the idea of lead free solder alone Brussels deserves to be nuked. Go Vlad!

Dav09
Reply to  Mike Borgelt
November 9, 2017 9:13 am

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ . . .

Mick Walker
Reply to  Dav09
November 9, 2017 10:15 am

Lead-free solder is an abomination!
I told the boss that when we run out of proper solder I’ll retire, so he has got a good stock in while it’s still available.
I don’t suppose many people care. But those of who know, are appalled!

Dav09
Reply to  Dav09
November 9, 2017 12:28 pm

I don’t suppose many people care.

Even if they don’t know why, they will, sooner or later.

Martin A
Reply to  Dav09
November 10, 2017 12:53 am

I still have some OC170 transistors, dead from the tin whisker disease.

Coeur de Lion
November 9, 2017 1:19 am

Utter madness. Glad we are pulling out. When will the truth about carbon dioxide (not ‘carbon’ fer chrissake) filter through to these noddies?

Thomas Homer
Reply to  Coeur de Lion
November 9, 2017 7:21 am

Three sister planets:

Venus … 95% CO2 atmosphere
Earth … 0.04% CO2 atmosphere
Mars … 95% CO2 atmosphere

Earth is the only one of the three that supports Carbon Based life forms that consume CO2 when considered as a whole.

– Life consumes CO2.

Removal of CO2 from the atmosphere doesn’t seem like a problem on Earth, yet some want to pursue more?

November 9, 2017 1:34 am

It soean’t matter how much pressure is heaped on EU chiefs since they are unelected dictators who can do what they wish. The EU(SSR) is an undemocratic, incompetent, socialist bureaucracy.

Reply to  Phillip Bratby
November 9, 2017 1:35 am

Or even ‘doesn’t’

tom0mason
Reply to  Phillip Bratby
November 9, 2017 1:44 am

Also of note is that the EU has never, ever passed a financial audit of it’s own devising.

markl
Reply to  tom0mason
November 9, 2017 8:35 am

Like the UN. When will people learn?

rapscallion
Reply to  Phillip Bratby
November 9, 2017 4:35 am

It isn’t so much undemocratic, it is anti-democratic. For our non-EU brethren that at the entrance to the Visitors Centre of the European Parliament, there is a plaque with these words:

“National sovereignty is the root cause of the most crying evils of our times….The only final remedy for this evil is the federal union of the peoples.”

. . . and people wonder why I voted to Leave the EUSSR?

Taphonomic
Reply to  rapscallion
November 9, 2017 10:40 am

“The only final remedy for this evil is the federal union of the peoples.”

It’s striking that “final remedy” is ominously similar to “final solution”

JohnKnight
Reply to  rapscallion
November 9, 2017 10:43 am

*Bipedalism is the root cause of the most crying evils of our times….The only final remedy for this evil is the unifootcation of the peoples.*

tom0mason
November 9, 2017 1:40 am

Pay everyone in the EU €1 each to hold their breath for as long as possible once a day for a week would have been more cost effective!

John Nethery
Reply to  tom0mason
November 9, 2017 4:22 am

Great idea. At least if they are not exhaling then that will decrease CO2 emmissions.

Reply to  tom0mason
November 9, 2017 8:28 am

… tax everyone 0.00005 EU €1 per breath. Taxing works better than incentive pay ’cause it allows the regulators to take a bigger cut.

The “breathing reviewers” then get 25% of the breath tax and it all works out.

Derek Colman
Reply to  tom0mason
November 9, 2017 5:38 pm

It won’t work. While you are holding your breath, your bodily functions will continue to,produce CO2, which will just be stored in your bloodstream until you resume breathing, whereupon the stored CO2 will be exhaled in the next few breaths.

tom0mason
Reply to  Derek Colman
November 9, 2017 7:29 pm

Thus it has the same effect as the currently reported EU scheme but is more cost effective. 🙂

Mark
Reply to  Derek Colman
November 10, 2017 6:18 am

There’ll be a separate tax for that.

November 9, 2017 1:43 am

Looks like the European Commission is now reaping the harvest of the European Commission’s ex-President, Workers’ Communist Party ex-member and Social Democratic Party current member, Manuel Barroso. The longer Christian-democratic follower Jean-Claude Juncker drags it along, the more likely he will be perceived an accomplice.

paqyfelyc
November 9, 2017 1:48 am

Well, see the good new: they could actually have had build some stupid CCS, a thing that would continue to cost huge “money for nothing”.
And of course no “paradise papers” on Bruxelles Paradise…

Eyal Porat
November 9, 2017 1:48 am

What’s USD 600 Million between friends?…

Taphonomic
Reply to  Eyal Porat
November 9, 2017 10:44 am

$600 million here, $600 million there; pretty soon you’re talking about real money

willhaas
November 9, 2017 2:01 am

The greatest invention for removing CO2 from the atmosphere is the tree. To reduce a nation’s carbon footprint the nation should gradually reduce its population so that it can convert its cities into forests. The next step in storing solid carbon most effectively is to change wood into diamonds but the process is currently a tad expensive. A very siginificant problem is the there is no real evidence that CO2 has any effect on climate and plenty of scientific rational to support the idea that the climate sensivity of CO2 is really zero. An approach that is more to apt to cause global cooling would be to reduce atmospheric presssure at the Earth’s surface by combining O2 and N2 to form Nitrate salts. Reducing surface pressure by reducing the mass of the atmosphere will bring on cooling.

Reply to  willhaas
November 9, 2017 2:10 am

+683

Non Nomen
Reply to  willhaas
November 9, 2017 2:18 am

trees

You are talking about things these Kommissars have never heard of. They do not see the forest for the trees. Spain, Portugal, Italy, you name it, have once been places of abundant forests that turned into Karst. Instead of reforestation the Kommissariat decides to squander money into projects that even half-wits would never touch. Follow the money…

Jan Christoffersen
Reply to  willhaas
November 9, 2017 7:53 am

Willhaas,

Actually, I think “the greatest invention for removing CO2 from the atmosphere” is carbonate rocks. There are countless trillions of tons of carbonate rocks in sedimentary basins around the world and the process of creating carbonate-bearing sediments continues in modern basins.

Reply to  Jan Christoffersen
November 9, 2017 8:53 am

Storing CO2 for easy retrieval, not removing it. We will surely need to recover that CO2 once we run out of fossil fuels and are no longer enriching the atmosphere with a nutrient that without which all life would disappear.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Jan Christoffersen
November 9, 2017 8:55 am

Obviously, those rocks must be taxed.

willhaas
Reply to  Jan Christoffersen
November 9, 2017 10:43 am

Carbonate rocks are the bane of hydrocarbon life. Eventually all of our carbon will end up in carbonate rocks and the bioslhere will disappear but this will not happen over night. Without sufficient CO2 in our atmosphere, life as we know it will die out. The burning of fossil fuels is helping but if mankind survives long enough, eventually we will have to deliberately convert carbonate rock to CO2 and whatever just to replinish the Earth’s supply of CO2 that our form of life requires. Because CO2 has no effect on climate and because we are below the optimum amount of CO2 for most plants, there should be no restrictions of replentishing the Earth’s atmospheric CO2 at least until the CO2 level hits .2%. All of our efforts to date have only been good enough to get the CO2 level back to .04%, like it was naturally around 3 million years ago. The ice age that we are in has locked up huge amounts of CO2 in cold oceans and ice. The next ice age cold cycle will lock up even more CO2 and our current burning of fossil fuels is helping to sustain life on this planet and will hopefully be enough to sustain it during the next 100K year cold cycle.

November 9, 2017 2:03 am

The most notable of these ‘highly innovative or even potentially game changing projects’, deserving €2.1 billion grants so far, seem to be producing ethanol from straw in Italy, biogas from straw in Germany and de-icing windmills in Sweden.

Caution! the original source documents cause trigger dizziness, vertigo, nausea and neurological pain:
https://ec.europa.eu/clima/policies/lowcarbon/ner300_en, more specifically: https://ec.europa.eu/clima/sites/clima/files/lowcarbon/ner300/docs/state_of_play_2016_01_en.pdf

Auto
Reply to  jaakkokateenkorva
November 9, 2017 2:18 pm

jaakko –
“Caution! the original source documents cause trigger dizziness, vertigo, nausea and neurological pain:”
Hey – you are not kidding.
The amount of bumf produced would have kept several kilotonnes of carbon out of the atmosphere [and my brain unbefuddled, especially after a glass or two [ish, it’s an EU Estimate, for goodness sake!] of good French red wine.

Auto

November 9, 2017 2:24 am

DOE and EU projects were research on how to capture carbon with minerals like olivine. This all failed to work. What companies figured out is that if everyone has to pay carbon credits, they reduce nothing and buy no credits, just pass on all costs to consumers. Consumers have no way out, and businesses figure this out quickly, other than some demand destruction.

November 9, 2017 2:32 am

The Stupid, it burns.
Yet another great reason for Brexit.

This reminds me of the witch hunts of the Little Ice Age, roughly 1400 AD to 1850 AD.
Witches were blamed for the cold, poor crops, diseases & famines. Thousands were slaughtered.

Today, centuries on, we have made little progress: CO2, Carbon Dioxide, is blamed, as pollution,
for causing global warming, sorry, climate change, sorry, weird weather, because there’s been no warming for roughly 20 years.

In fact, CO2’s greenhouse gas effect, always very minor compared to water H2O (less than 4% vs more than 95%), becomes negligible above concentrations of 400 ppmv (parts per million by volume), where CO2 functions ONLY, effectively, as plant food, which is greening the Earth.

Add in the facts that 95% + of the CO2 in the atmosphere is produced by nature & less than 4% by man, & you have to bust out laughing, else you’d roar with anger.
Natural sources of CO2 include volcanoes, including a 40,000 mile undersea mid-oceans chain, rotting winter vegetation & animals, which alone emit 25 times man’s CO2 output.

I do hope Trump succeeds in killing this most stupid scam.

Book, by geology Prof. Ian Plimer: Heaven and Earth global warming: the missing science.
Mucho recommended.

A lovely 19 minute video by science writer for The Times newspaper Prof Matt Ridley:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-nsU_DaIZE&t=606s
Or, put in searchbox: Matt Ridley on How Fossil Fuels are Greening the Planet
Not case sensitive, I believe.

& when you think that oil is abiotic, not a fossil fuel, you have to chuckle again, & start to realise just how much we have been mugged off.

JD.

Barry Cullen
Reply to  jdseanjd
November 9, 2017 5:36 am

+1
B

Nigel S
Reply to  jdseanjd
November 9, 2017 5:58 am

I saw a good comment that the difference now is that the witches are doing the hunting.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  jdseanjd
November 9, 2017 8:58 am

As proof of the ‘witchiness’ of CO2, note that bubbles of it float on water! Burn the witch!!

Reply to  jdseanjd
November 9, 2017 9:03 am

“the facts that 95% + of the CO2 in the atmosphere is produced by nature & less than 4% by man”

I would like to know if this is true, false or unknown? Wasn’t there a WUWT post long ago on this subject which asserted the same but was found to be in error and corrected?

Same for

“& when you think that oil is abiotic, not a fossil fuel

Reply to  cephus0
November 10, 2017 1:31 am

@Cephus0,

re CO2 %s, this statement is certainly made in Prof. Plimer’s admittedly 2009 book.
But we all know science marches on, unless, of course, errr… it’s settled science.

Page 180: ” At present, each year 186 billion tonnes of CO2 enter the atmosphere from all sources , of which 3.3% comes from human activities. More than 100 Billion tonnes (57%) is given off by the oceans and 71 billion tonnes is exhaled by animals (including humans).”

A brilliant book of about 500 pages, there are chapters on History, The Sun, Earth, Ice, Water, Air, etc.
A foreword by Vaclav Havel, an afterword by Lord Christopher Monckton, it’s written in plain English so nonscientific types like me have a chance of understanding, it contains over 2,200 references to peer-reviewed papers etc. I’d have paid double, & yes I should be on commission.

I’ll stick with the good Prof. till I see this disproved, convincingly.

Re abiotic oil, no fossils have ever been found deeper than about 16,000 ft, where oil is regularly drilled at 30,000 ft +.

http://www.viewzone.com/abioticoilx.html

Proven by lab experiment & once empty drill sites refilling, the Earth is a giant cooker constantly producing H2O, CO2, oil & much else under heat & pressure. The origin of the fossil fuel & peak oil scam:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cUg3lDgJ20&t=11s
Or, put in: Colonel L. Fletcher Prouty: The Origin of Fossil Fuel & Peak Oil
8 mins.
Prouty was liaison between the CIA & the military for a period.

JD.

Auto
Reply to  jdseanjd
November 9, 2017 2:22 pm

jd
Thanks.
On your – and the Warmunists’ – figures, to the nearest one-tenth of one percent, the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is zero.
Remind the watermelons of this fact repeatedly.

Auto

Reply to  Auto
November 10, 2017 2:03 am

That’s a good way of phrasing it. 🙂
At 400 ppmv, it’s 0.04%.

Strangely, as CO2 concentrations increase, its effectiveness as a greenhouse gas DECREASES, dramatically, logarithmically, in fact. There’s a good graph in Plimer’s book & I saw it in an article on here as well.

They really are trying to scare us with GOOD witches.

JD.

AndyG55
Reply to  Auto
November 10, 2017 2:13 am

4 cents in $100, up from 3c.

Non Nomen
Reply to  AndyG55
November 10, 2017 2:43 am

Do you think a chain store will hand over your articles when you are 4 cents short?

November 9, 2017 2:35 am

Carbon (dioxide – DUH) capture is terrorism against the whole biosphere.

Paul
Reply to  ptolemy2
November 9, 2017 5:12 am

“Carbon (dioxide – DUH) capture is terrorism against the whole biosphere”

Kinda looks like they’ll run out of OPM long before then can capture enough to do any harm to the biosphere. Now terrorism in regard to OPM is a valid charge.

Ricdre
Reply to  Paul
November 9, 2017 6:56 am

Is OPM pronounced as “opium”? If so, then it is true the Other People’s Money is the opium of the elite.

Reply to  ptolemy2
November 9, 2017 9:08 am

It is scarcely to believed that half of the ‘civilised’ world at least think it is a good idea to start removing from the atmosphere the very trace gas compound which allows multicellular life to exist on this planet in the first place. The knowledge that this is actually so and that I share the planet with hordes of zombies at that level of sheer ignorance and insanity is truly terrifying. ISIS don’t phase me much but those guys frighten the bejezus out of me.

john harmsworth
Reply to  cephus0
November 9, 2017 11:12 am

Historical events such as The Tulip Bubble and slavery should probably tip us off that human beings have not evolved intellectually to a point where they can set aside their greed and selfish ignorance.

Tim Nicely-Thornogson
November 9, 2017 2:43 am

In the Queen’s House in Greenwich, London recently, I noticed that next to paintings of the 1588 Spanish Armada, an information board stated that one of reasons for the Armada’s failure was “bad weather”. We live in such curious times that I wondered whether if it knew of this accurate and truthful information, the EU would exhort its cheerleaders in the BBC and the Guardian to raise a mob to destroy this exhibit in a publicly funded building. Maybe it says more about me that I see the words “bad weather” in an official building in 2017 and I think it’s unusual….

Griff
Reply to  Tim Nicely-Thornogson
November 9, 2017 3:11 am

(off topic: I also visited the Queens House gallery recently… enjoyed it a lot… what an excellent gallery… did you spot the first European painting of a Kanagaroo? I also liked the WW1/WW2 paintings…)

Tim Nicely-Thornogson
Reply to  Griff
November 9, 2017 5:10 am

The older I get, the more interest I have in official war artists. I was very impressed by Richard Eurich’s naval paintings in the gallery you mentioned. I’d not come across him before and, as ever, I felt more humble and more thankful to a generation who made great sacrifices….

Nigel S
Reply to  Griff
November 9, 2017 6:04 am

Did either of you figure out how the stone stair stays up with no support on the handrail side? Torsion not ‘cantilever’ as they are often incorrectly described. A miracle of architecture, engineering and art.

http://www.rmg.co.uk/see-do/we-recommend/attractions/great-hall-tulip-stairs

Nigel S
Reply to  Griff
November 9, 2017 6:09 am

The new NMM exhibition on HMS Erebus and Terror and Franklin’s expedition is on topic I think.

http://www.rmg.co.uk/discover/explore/hms-erebus-and-terror

Griff
Reply to  Griff
November 10, 2017 4:57 am

Nigel S – yes, sadly I didn’t have time for that…

did see the gallery with Nelson relics… they have the actual coat he was wearing when shot – you can see bullet hole in left shoulder

(for non-UK readers NMM is the National Maritime Museum: if you visit Lodon, make a point of taking a boat down to Greenwhich and visiting this and the other amazing pieces of 18th century architecture, palace, observatory, etc, etc)

Bryan A
Reply to  Tim Nicely-Thornogson
November 9, 2017 7:35 am

But wasn’t that “Bad Weather” during the Good Climate (a la pre Catastrophic AGW)

Reply to  Bryan A
November 9, 2017 12:37 pm

And then there was the bad weather called kamikaze: wind storms that are said to have saved Japan from two Mongol fleets under Kublai Khan. These fleets attacked Japan in 1274 and again in 1281 (Wikipedia).

Non Nomen
Reply to  Tim Nicely-Thornogson
November 9, 2017 11:25 am

I do recommend the Imperial War Museum. I’ve been there first when I was 16 and it made me start thinking about real history.

Griff
Reply to  Non Nomen
November 10, 2017 5:01 am

The IWM airfield site at Duxford is also well worth it… all the large stuff there’s no room for in London, plus a WW2 airfield …

Huge number of tanks…100s of aircraft…

Robert of Ottawa
November 9, 2017 2:49 am

The headline should be:

“$600 million captured and buried in bank accounts”

Notanist
Reply to  Robert of Ottawa
November 9, 2017 4:15 am

Yeah, “…captured nothing…” isn’t quite right, since it appears to have captured $683 million from hardworking taxpayers to hand over to whatever political crony got approval for this project.

ferdberple
November 9, 2017 3:06 am

NER300
========
change the name. NER9000. a huge improvement over the early NER300. success is just around the corner.

Sly Rik
Reply to  ferdberple
November 9, 2017 8:27 am

maybe it should simply be Ner, Ner, NER-NER, ner. (we stole yer monnn-eee)

Griff
November 9, 2017 3:13 am

It occurs to me that had the funding actually worked out, there is not really any CCS in Europe to invest in. Only a Norwegian pilot programme has ever got started.

However funded, CCS is only financially viable if CO2 stored is used for enhanced oil recovery…

Resourceguy
Reply to  Griff
November 9, 2017 6:32 am

That means very large coal power plants placed on top of or next to oil fields for gas injection and field engineering for enhanced oil recovery methods. Another name for it is the taxpayer funded small scale synthetic carbon cycle (SSSCC).

Stewart Pid
Reply to  Resourceguy
November 9, 2017 8:32 am

Resource guy …. not necessarily on top or next to … Canada’s first miscible flood used CO2 sourced in Wyoming and then pipelined to SE Saskatchewan for injection into Encana’s Weyburn pool. I’m not sure of the distance but it must be around 500 km.

Resourceguy
Reply to  Resourceguy
November 9, 2017 9:35 am

Stew,
Non-market exceptions exist based on various public policy distortion effects, from time to time and place to place.

Griff
Reply to  Resourceguy
November 10, 2017 4:50 am

yes… there was the ‘white rose’ project in the UK… but that didn’t take off.

john harmsworth
Reply to  Griff
November 9, 2017 12:30 pm

Please explain to us, Griff, how this noble and heroic exercise in Socialist central planning has furthered the cause of peace, equality and happiness. So that we can sleep at night, confident that our political masters of the Glorious Left are watching over us and our meagre resources.

Griff
Reply to  john harmsworth
November 10, 2017 4:54 am

all governments are prone to making mistakes and spending on stuff which doesn’t ever work out.

My govt is busy building 2 aircraft carriers at vast expense which won’t have any planes on them for a decade or so.

anyone need a floating soccer pitch?

Dodgy Geezer
November 9, 2017 3:13 am

…with a number of member states actively calling for Brussels’ largesse to be be reined in….

…but… the ONLY reason most of the member states stay in the EU is that it provides them with free money.

It used to be the case that the UK, Germany and France provided the lion’s share of the money, and every body else took the cash. When the UK leaves, it will essentially become a scheme whereby Germany and France fund Eastern Europe.

How long do you think that can last before Germany and France come to blows about their relative shares?

paqyfelyc
Reply to  Dodgy Geezer
November 9, 2017 3:28 am

Actually, France is so in debt, that only Germany really fund the whole thing nowadays. French money into Europe (and more) is all borrowed from ECB, itself funded by Germans.
So basically Macron just bow to Merkel already.

Non Nomen
Reply to  paqyfelyc
November 9, 2017 4:50 am

Before the presidential elections, Marine LePen reportedly said:
“France is going to be governed by a woman. Either Merkel or me.”

paqyfelyc
Reply to  paqyfelyc
November 9, 2017 6:00 am

oh. I didn’t knew that. But this sound so true. Good Joke.

Nigel S
Reply to  paqyfelyc
November 9, 2017 6:11 am

Or Madame Macron …

A C Osborn
Reply to  paqyfelyc
November 9, 2017 6:31 am

Did you some how forget the UK?

November 9, 2017 3:14 am

I await an in depth exposé from the BBC…(joke)

paqyfelyc
Reply to  Silver Dynamite
November 9, 2017 6:09 am

let me write it for them (and you)
“GB tory government hindered UE carbon capture scheme aiming at controling climate change
EU had a £520m program, called to NER300, to promote carbon capture. But this depended on GB government to commit, which it failed to do, so nothing was build in GB and the money was unused for British people, while we pay high price to climate change, estimated in tens of billions just for GB
… ”
etc. You get the line
Happy you!

Reply to  paqyfelyc
November 9, 2017 6:20 am

Eh?

paqyfelyc
Reply to  paqyfelyc
November 9, 2017 7:25 am

You didn’t enjoy my BBC in depth exposé? Nothing but the truth, you should notice. Well, not all the truth, I admit, but, BBC has so short air time, you don’t expect all the truth, do you?

Pixie
Reply to  Silver Dynamite
November 9, 2017 9:33 am

Did not get a mention…

old construction worker
November 9, 2017 3:19 am

The only businesses getting rich from Co2 Cap & Trade are banks, stock trading companies and rent seekers. All for a “problem” that is not a problem. Who loses: the rest of us.

richard verney
November 9, 2017 3:19 am

It is all mad, mad, mad. Schemes like this make energy about 60% more expensive to produce, and we lose about 40% of the power output in the process. What a double whammy

With carbon prices heading toward €30/tonne, it was hoped that up to €9 billion would be raised

Carbon should not have a cost, but it has tanked, and is around €7 per tonne so that has knocked a large hole in the sums.

The only sensible, and cost effective, form of carbon capture is a tree. Nature has spent hundreds of millions of years perfecting the design. There is no point in reinventing the wheel, especially since we could never make anything so beautiful and one which enhances the environment and landscape and provides a home to other species.

Chris Wright
Reply to  richard verney
November 9, 2017 3:30 am

The problem with this is that these morons are busily burning trees to make small amounts of energy e.g. the UK’s Drax power station.
It’s funny how often environmental policies damage or even destroy the environment, dieselgate being a perfect example.
Chris

Vanessa
Reply to  Chris Wright
November 9, 2017 4:03 am

The US where we import all these trees from will soon run out. Drax burns an enormous amount just to keep fired up. We could run out and Drax might cease – just when we need a lot of reliable electricity as it is predicted to get a lot colder.

Roger Knights
Reply to  Chris Wright
November 9, 2017 7:25 am

“The US where we import all these trees from will soon run out.”

If this was foreseeable, why did they enter upon this scheme?

There are (unfortunately) many dead trees (from fire or bugs) in the west of the U.S. They could be used as fuel, if transport costs aren’t too high—which they probably are.

schitzree
Reply to  Chris Wright
November 9, 2017 7:58 am

While I’d be the first to agree that shipping wood pellets to Drax is a silly waste, Im not worried about it causing serious deforestation.

I looked into how much was planned on being sent back when it started, and while I don’t remember off the top of my head the exact figures, I do remember that it was two orders of magnitude less then the US converts to toilet paper each year.

The real danger is if it caught on. A thousand Drax’s a year would put a major strain on our forests.

~¿~

Griff
Reply to  Chris Wright
November 10, 2017 4:49 am

Drax doesn’t save any CO2 and should be shut down

(I think Greenpeace have a campaign on that).

Mind you, I read the UK govt has rumbled this and I wouldn’t look to see it continue for ever

Reply to  richard verney
November 9, 2017 3:47 am

Totally agree, the earth has a self-regulating mechanism that removes CO2 from the atmosphere. Rather than wasting money on half-baked schemes to capture CO2, why did the EU not pay Third World Countries to plant trees and maintain them?
This would have been a more effective measure and would have reduced hunger. South American countries could have been paid not to cut down huge amounts of Amazonian rain forest, instead of cutting it down and planting palm oil plantations to harvest palm oil to fuel “carbon neutral” vehicles. The same stupidity allows forests in the USA to be cut down and shipped across the Atlantic to fuel our power stations, 7.5 million tons. Even though new trees are planted they take 30+ years to reach maturity. Only a moron could think these policies are effective at reducing the CO2 in our atmosphere. The sooner we are out of the EU the better!

Reply to  andrewmharding
November 10, 2017 2:40 am

+ 1

nottoobrite
Reply to  richard verney
November 9, 2017 5:08 am

Replanting cut forests with pine seedlings by airdrop and first 5 years maintenance cost +- 550 euros a hectare

Paul
Reply to  nottoobrite
November 9, 2017 5:21 am

“Replanting cut forests with pine seedlings by airdrop”

Kind of a pricey way to plant. I recommend chain gangs, it’s a win-win. You’re already paying to feed & house inmate, let’s put them to work. They should be so tired after a day of working there is no time or energy for gangs or fighting. And it becomes a visual warning and deterrent for others to stay out of prison.

Roger Knights
Reply to  nottoobrite
November 9, 2017 7:29 am

Make that electronic chain gangs, controlled by non-removable GPS anklets. And why not have them harvest tinder (brush and duff) from forest floors as well or instead, killing two birds with one stone.

Paul
Reply to  nottoobrite
November 9, 2017 10:09 am

“Make that electronic chain gangs, controlled by non-removable GPS anklets.”

Nope, low tech high alloy chain with 4-6 dudes chained together for 8 hours. Can’t run and you’re forced to get along with your “team mates” or you’re dragging a body along all day. Getting sent to prison should be life changing, not a way of life.

john harmsworth
Reply to  nottoobrite
November 9, 2017 11:34 am

And no, we are in no danger of running out. My statement of “billions” is no exaggeration. We have parks bigger than many countries.

john harmsworth
Reply to  richard verney
November 9, 2017 11:30 am

And so, I have a question which I have asked before on this site.
I live in Canada. We have literally billions of trees. Millions of these are cut down every year and “sequestered” in buildings for approximately 100 years. How much CO2 does this represent?
If it comes to a relevant amount, I would point out that we are not the only country that turns trees into houses, making room for new trees to grow. I know this is millions of tons of wood every year. Is it a significant amount of CO2 in global terms, setting aside the fact that CO2 is a fart in a windstorm in so far as the Earth’s temperature is concerned.

Earthling2
Reply to  john harmsworth
November 9, 2017 2:03 pm

Yet we get no recognition for lumber being locked up in housing for a century or more, whilst planting new trees that soak up ‘carbon’ CO2. Nor do we get any credit for the massive amount of wood waste that is converted to wood pellets, instead of just being burnt in the past in bee hive burners and was just wasted. I live near a city that built a 60 Mw wood fired Cogen plant that was 20 years ago just burnt, up in smoke through bee hive burners, with fly ash all over the city. Now it completely powers the city 5 times over.

Mixing wood pellets with coal would be an ideal solution to keeping coal fired electricity plants open until their end of life termination. I don’t get the uneducated people here complaining about wood pellets being burnt for electricity generation. Most of it is from wood waste that has no higher or better use. The little bit that is harvested from green standing timber is low quality timber anyway, that will soon be near its end of life. And it is growing as fast or faster as it being burnt anyway, so what’s the big deal? Burning biomass is a much bigger slice of the pie than solar or wind when it comes to renewables. This is where the renewable focus should be. Plus it is dispatchable base load power.

Catcracking
Reply to  richard verney
November 9, 2017 10:40 pm

Richard,
Thanks for your comments, I call it oxygen sequestration since about 2-1/2 times as much Oxygen is sequestered as Carbon on a weight basis. Who in his right mind would want to sequester Oxygen? OBAMA.
I am surprised that no one has brought up the fact that Bush cancelled the carbon/oxygen sequestration project in Chicago because it was failing and wasting taxpayer dollars. Unfortunately Obama brought it back and resumed funding either out of scientific and economic ignorance or just to send some more tax dollars to Chicago as patronage.
Carbon capture and sequestration is about the dumbest green idea I can think of.
Use of CO 2 to improve oil well performance can make sense.

Joel
November 9, 2017 3:42 am

Mother earth must think us humans are really stupid.

Non Nomen
Reply to  Joel
November 9, 2017 11:31 am

She knows because God told her so – and apologized for creating politicians, the worst of all.

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