Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
Well, I wrote about this crazy March For Science idea two months ago, but the story just gets better. Far and away the most insightful comment I’ve read on this goofy idea of marching was from a climate scientist I respect, Dr. Roger Pielke Jr., who said:
The smartest people on the planet want to oppose Trump & the best they can come up with is a march in support of themselves?
Hard to argue with that … but since then there have been two developments.
One was the announcement that the March For Science will be led by none other than Bill Nye the Science Guy. We’ve discussed his wondrous views about science before.
Of course, this appointment of Bill Nye led to many people pointing and laughing. With all of the distinguished scientists in the country, the idea of picking Bill Nye as the honorary poster boy for the march is hilarious.
But wait, it gets better. In the sadly common Blue-On-Blue violence of identity politics, there’s been a new protest. This protest is not because Bill Nye lacks credibility. Nor is the protest because Bill Nye lacks credentials or cranial horsepower. And the protest is not because Bill Nye lacks support in the scientific community.
Nope.
This protest is because Bill Nye lacks melanin.
Seriously. You can’t possibly make this up. If I were Bill Nye, I’d go straight to the ACLU and get them to file an anti-discrimination lawsuit. What the organizers have done is a criminal offense under the ADA, the Americans with Disabilities Act. It’s clearly against the law to discriminate against the melanin-deficient, that’s just cruel.
It gets better. The protest is not just because Bill Nye lacks melanin. He’s also guilty of being short of another even more important requirement.
Bill Nye lacks that scientific necessity, the vital XX chromosome.
So in the wonderful American non-tradition of everyone getting a Participation Trophy, the March Organizing Committee has added two more “Honorary Co-Poster Children” or some title like that as Co-Leaderpersons of the March. Of course, neither of these new Co-Coordinationizers lacks those vital scientific elements of melanin and XX chromosomes.
Now, please be clear what I’m saying. I’m not dissing the two new Co-Non-Gender-Titled-People in any sense. I’m sure that both of the women named as Honorary Co-Chairpersonages, Dr. Mona Hanna-Attisha, the Iraqi-English pediatrician who exposed the Flint lead contamination, and Dr. Lydia Villa-Komaroff, a Hispanic biologist and businesswoman, are good scientists and well-intentioned people.
I’m just pointing out that this is another in the many pieces of evidence that this is a March For Political Correctness, not a March For Science in any sense. Opportunity wasted. Get ready for impassioned speeches from all the extremely scientific co-ordinatrices.
Prepare for impassioned speeches from a bunch of extremely scientific spokesdudes and spokesmodels on how Trump hates water and air, and how spending $ Trillions with a T to cool the earth by 0.1°C in fifty years is a scientifically brilliant plan supported by 97% of all true moral noble and upstanding humanoids everywhere. Amen.
Oh, and if you disagree, think of the grandchildren, because compassion, and besides you’re just a hater and a scientific troglodyte, because 97%.
I put the over/under of someone passing out white lab coats along the march route at 100%.
March for science? … I don’t think so.
A rainy day here, more rain on the way. The forest is happy. The cat is not happy.
Me, I’m overjoyed, and I can only wish the same for you.
w.
PS—When you comment on someone’s ideas, I request that you please QUOTE THE EXACT WORDS YOU ARE REFERRING TO. That way, we can all understand what you are discussing. I can defend my words. I can’t defend your words about my words.
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JoNova had a story about this March and “Intersectional Feminism” yesterday. It get loonier all the time. Should be fun to watch.
A. Philip Randolph and Bayard Rustin began planning the [ Great March on Washington ] in December 1961.[ … ] They received help from Amalgamated Clothing Workers unionist Stanley Aronowitz, who
gathered support from radical organizers who could be trusted not to report their plans to the Kennedy administration.
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What good is a March with “announcement that the March for Science, [ will be scheduled for April 22, ] “
whatnot.
Organized. Greens. Marching.
Bill Nye “The Science Guy” is a yet another TV moron… He is neither a scientist nor a philosopher and his attempts to do science and philosophy fail miserably. He’s just an entertainer and a very poor one at that.
Bill Nye is ‘The Socialist Guy’.
“It gets better. The protest is not just because Bill Nye lacks melanin. He’s also guilty of being short of another even more important requirement.
Bill Nye lacks that scientific necessity, the vital XX chromosome.” ~W E
It is helpful to realize that gender equality now has absolutely nothing to do with individual freedom and equality in the law. It is now a numbers game. The entire goal of feminism is attaining the correct percentages of women in all fields.
ref below
“Thus, feminists measure gender equality, in the words of a popular women’s studies textbook, by “the degree to which men and woman have similar kinds or degrees of power, status, autonomy, and authority.”[22]
Practically speaking, this standard has led most contemporary feminists to gauge equality in terms of outcome uniformity rather than equal legal opportunity. If women are not half of all college athletes, half of all engineers, half of all surgeons, half of all CEOs, and half of all political leaders, for example, the assumption is that women do not have the opportunity or freedom to pursue these goals equally.”
~Christian Villegas
http://www.heritage.org/political-process/report/the-modern-feminist-rejection-constitutional-government
It occurs to me that everyone already knows this. (: Thanks for waiting while I catch up.
Rubbish. About 70% of teachers are female, I see little effort to make it 50%.
About 90% of nurses are female, I have seen little effort to fire almost half of them and replace them with men.
About 90% of workers in the retail sector are female, no one complains about it, I see little effort to fire half of them and replace them with men.
There are 25 people employed at my wife’s place of work, all are female. I never hear them making plans to dump half of their staff and replace them with men.
Klem,
All they need to do is get the excess to ignore certain observable facts and “identify” as the other gender.
(Not sure how to handle those who “identify” as non-gender. Maybe shoot for 33.333…% of each?)
Klem says, “Rubbish. About 70% of teachers are female, I see little effort to make it 50%.”
I do not see the 50% standard of female participation in a field as a maximum limit, only a minimum. The reason this is wrong is because it is a capricious and arbitrary means of qualification, and it requires large government to fulfill this arbitrary quota.
Not only that, experience shows that it will result in forcing all women into the work place. Very advantageous for government in expanding tax base, in expanding government systems of patronage in who gets hired, and the end of the home maker in society.
Remember, the Baby Boomers hated June Cleaver. Mo and four wives, yes — That is all very multi culti. But they hated June Cleaver and wanted to erase her existence. No one has ever seen her since. So the toxic form of feminism is in combination with the Cannabis Generation’s pet philosophies — it is not just a form of government action to expand its own power.
Klem says, “There are 25 people employed at my wife’s place of work, all are female. I never hear them making plans to dump half of their staff and replace them with men.”
And the female participation in the prison population is only 7%. Something must be done. I believe that is an argument put forward by the ACLU.
I saw a story a couple of weeks ago about a feminist saying it should be illegal for a woman to be a stay at mom.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/03/24/should-it-be-illegal-to-be-stay-at-home-mom-why-feminists-are-so-frustrated.html
Don Perry April 6, 2017 at 9:09 pm
Since you’ve failed to quote whatever it is that has your knickers in a twist, I fear your objection is merely virtue signaling.
My suggestion would be that if you find someone’s words objectionable, don’t issue some vague hand-waving statement about how somebody somewhere said something “disgusting”. That goes nowhere.
Instead, answer the person directly and quote what you object to. You may find that others agree with you … or you may find you are in the minority.
But at least we’ll know what you’re upset about …
Regards,
w.
Not getting the message yet Willis?
As a whole, the article is a snide little attack, no need to dissect it.
Justifying your reasons for writing it as “He started it” is childish.
HotScot, you appear to be laboring under the delusion that your opinion has weight …
w.
Willis,
as are you.
What’s the odds of a Gore-effect blizzard on the day of the march? Gotta love Nye
Somebody have seen the future…
You are all being disgracefully non-PC and will be put down on the list for re-education. I’ll have to crawl across the floor to find a pen to write down your names – when I stop laughing!
Great title to the article. “The March Against Science.” Exactly what they are about.
I thought they were holding it in April?
Must be frustrating Bill. After all your efforts for years this is how you are repaid.
Oh well Bill. Your case proves beyond doubt the inherently uncompromising nature of the cAWG crowd.
Look at the bright side, the cAWG crowd excludes a very diverse, dare I say heterogeneous, group of people. a.k.a. The majority. Despite of everything, you’ll fit right in.
“So in the wonderful American non-tradition of everyone getting a Participation Trophy,..” thats not just an American non tradition I’ll have you know. We all non do that.
I’m sorry, but this outfit is clearly transphobic.
There are real women out there with x y chromosomes. Ask any loony 3rd wave feminist
I love it. Someone should head line “Bill Nye gets kicked to the back of the climate change bus.”
“Prepare for impassioned speeches from a bunch of extremely scientific spokesdudes and spokesmodels on how Trump hates water and air, and how spending $ Trillions with a T to cool the earth by 0.1°C in fifty years is a scientifically brilliant plan supported by 97% of all true moral noble and upstanding humanoids everywhere. Amen.
Oh, and if you disagree, think of the grandchildren, because compassion, and besides you’re just a hater and a scientific troglodyte, because 97%.
I put the over/under of someone passing out white lab coats along the march route at 100%.
March for science? … I don’t think so.
A rainy day here, more rain on the way. The forest is happy. The cat is not happy.
Me, I’m overjoyed, and I can only wish the same for you.”
This is genuinely funny, I laughed a lot!
I failed to notice any mention of the inclusion of Native Americans , the people who “ran” North America
very successfully for more than 10 000 years , coping with considerable changes in climate during that time – amazingly without the help of Europeans.
The latter of course were preoccupied during that time in inventing novel ways of killing each other.
And after all those 10 000 years, not one of them invented the wheel.
A valid point and the answer, addressed mainly to Inca wheellessness , may be here :
https://www.quora.com/Why-were-the-indigenous-peoples-of-the-Americas-not-able-to-invent-the-wheel
-“The fact is that most civilizations in the Old World didn’t invent the wheel either–instead, they borrowed it from some other culture. The wheel appears to have been first used in Sumer in the Middle East around 3500 BC, whence it spread across Europe, Asia, and North Africa. It didn’t arrive in Britain until 500 BC. This orderly diffusion pattern makes it conceivable that all the wheels in use today are directly descended from the invention of a single gifted individual–an individual, however, who was such a dope that he failed to sign his name on the patent application, thus assuring his (or her) eternal anonymity. We might therefore attribute Inca wheellessness to the absence of a pre-Columbian Thomas Edison.
But there are other factors involved. The principle of rotary motion, is pretty obvious, and was well known throughout the New World as well as the Old. The Incas, for instance, are thought to have used wooden rollers to haul the giant stones they used to build their cities. Unfortunately, the New World suffered from a conspicuous scarcity of draft animals. The only beast of burden known in the Americas was the llama, a delicate critter restricted to certain parts of the Andes, which was used solely as a pack animal. Without draft animals you cannot do extensive hauling with sledges, and without sledges it will never occur to you that the wheel would be a handy thing to have.”-
And they did not even have llamas in North America .
The did have buffalo.
Mesoamerican Indians did know of wheels, but they put them on toys, rather than carts. However, the lack of draft animal argument is not IMO convincing, since they used humans as beasts of burden, and a man-hauled cart can carry more weight than his back or head.
http://www.mexicolore.co.uk/images-1/122_00_2.jpg
Plains Indians used dogs to pull a travois made of wooden poles.
The potter’s wheel however was apparently unknown in the New World.
A more telling consideration is the lack of metallurgy in the Pre-Columbian New World. Maybe bronze also was invented by only one genius in the Near East, but it’s possible that the discovery also occurred independently elsewhere in the Old World.
Both Aztecs and Incas were just starting to make bronze prestige artifacts when Europeans arrived, c. AD 1500. That’s some 4800 years after the Old World.
The Mayans had systems of writing and symbolic arithmetic, but they were lost. The Inca had a record keeping system based upon strings, called quipu in Quechua.
@mikewaite
“This orderly diffusion pattern makes it conceivable that all the wheels in use today are directly descended from the invention of a single gifted individual–an individual, however, who was such a dope that he failed to sign his name on the patent application”
That’s assuming it wasn’t a committee, designing a camel.
mikewaite wrote “I failed to notice any mention of the inclusion of Native Americans”
Most of the marchers and its leader, and me, and probably you, are native Americans.
“the people who ran North America very successfully for more than 10 000 years”
They had effective population controls called “war” and desertification. Where are the Pueblo indians or the Fremont?
“The latter of course were preoccupied during that time in inventing novel ways of killing each other.”
Whereas the Americans were satisfied with traditional ways of killing each other until they adopted the European ways of killing each other, which on close inspection turns out to be Chinese after all (gunpowder).
garymount April 7, 2017 at 5:37 am
And after all those 10 000 years, not one of them invented the wheel.
If a wheel or writing is found in North America, academics and scholars have a word for it. “Fraud.” So you see it is a self-fulfilling theory you have there.
I keep wondering which of Charles Dickens’ characters Bill Nye most resembles. I like the comparison with Seth Pecksniff: “Some people likened him to a direction-post, which is always telling the way to a place, and never goes there.”
I know I am going to catch a bunch of flak for this, but…..
Nye does not “lack”. He has one that others lack. He has an X, and he has a Y. His co-marchers lack the Y. They are Y deficient (in more ways than one).
It is appropriate that a faux scientist leads political activists in a march about the politics of extremists seeking to impose their extremism in the name of science. It is even more appropriate that it is Bill Nye, the leading faux scientist in America, is to be leading this march.
Go the DVD section of any taxpayer funded public library, children’s section. Nye has feet, not inches of shelf space.
March for the Religion of Science
Skepticism not welcome.
A march as mad as March hares.
I hope Vermin Supreme attends.
He’s grown a FOOT since I last saw him.
MFS should have gotten a ‘Jerry Lewis’ stand-in and parade kids in wheelchairs like the Cerebral Palsy and March of Dimes telethons did in the ’60s and the other guy in the ’50s.
OMG!
Bill Nye the Gay Guy IS the ‘Jerry Lewis’ stand-in and Al Gore, Jim Hansen, John Holdren and Michael E. Mann are the kids in wheelchairs!
Now their plan is clear to me. I can see their new slogan on the placards, “give us money”! Beautiful!
“Some animals are more equal than others.”
We are way past 1984.
You really can’t make this stuff up. Might as well enjoy it.
The quote is from “Animal Farm”, not “1984”.