Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
Well, I wrote about this crazy March For Science idea two months ago, but the story just gets better. Far and away the most insightful comment I’ve read on this goofy idea of marching was from a climate scientist I respect, Dr. Roger Pielke Jr., who said:
The smartest people on the planet want to oppose Trump & the best they can come up with is a march in support of themselves?
Hard to argue with that … but since then there have been two developments.
One was the announcement that the March For Science will be led by none other than Bill Nye the Science Guy. We’ve discussed his wondrous views about science before.
Of course, this appointment of Bill Nye led to many people pointing and laughing. With all of the distinguished scientists in the country, the idea of picking Bill Nye as the honorary poster boy for the march is hilarious.
But wait, it gets better. In the sadly common Blue-On-Blue violence of identity politics, there’s been a new protest. This protest is not because Bill Nye lacks credibility. Nor is the protest because Bill Nye lacks credentials or cranial horsepower. And the protest is not because Bill Nye lacks support in the scientific community.
Nope.
This protest is because Bill Nye lacks melanin.
Seriously. You can’t possibly make this up. If I were Bill Nye, I’d go straight to the ACLU and get them to file an anti-discrimination lawsuit. What the organizers have done is a criminal offense under the ADA, the Americans with Disabilities Act. It’s clearly against the law to discriminate against the melanin-deficient, that’s just cruel.
It gets better. The protest is not just because Bill Nye lacks melanin. He’s also guilty of being short of another even more important requirement.
Bill Nye lacks that scientific necessity, the vital XX chromosome.
So in the wonderful American non-tradition of everyone getting a Participation Trophy, the March Organizing Committee has added two more “Honorary Co-Poster Children” or some title like that as Co-Leaderpersons of the March. Of course, neither of these new Co-Coordinationizers lacks those vital scientific elements of melanin and XX chromosomes.
Now, please be clear what I’m saying. I’m not dissing the two new Co-Non-Gender-Titled-People in any sense. I’m sure that both of the women named as Honorary Co-Chairpersonages, Dr. Mona Hanna-Attisha, the Iraqi-English pediatrician who exposed the Flint lead contamination, and Dr. Lydia Villa-Komaroff, a Hispanic biologist and businesswoman, are good scientists and well-intentioned people.
I’m just pointing out that this is another in the many pieces of evidence that this is a March For Political Correctness, not a March For Science in any sense. Opportunity wasted. Get ready for impassioned speeches from all the extremely scientific co-ordinatrices.
Prepare for impassioned speeches from a bunch of extremely scientific spokesdudes and spokesmodels on how Trump hates water and air, and how spending $ Trillions with a T to cool the earth by 0.1°C in fifty years is a scientifically brilliant plan supported by 97% of all true moral noble and upstanding humanoids everywhere. Amen.
Oh, and if you disagree, think of the grandchildren, because compassion, and besides you’re just a hater and a scientific troglodyte, because 97%.
I put the over/under of someone passing out white lab coats along the march route at 100%.
March for science? … I don’t think so.
A rainy day here, more rain on the way. The forest is happy. The cat is not happy.
Me, I’m overjoyed, and I can only wish the same for you.
w.
PS—When you comment on someone’s ideas, I request that you please QUOTE THE EXACT WORDS YOU ARE REFERRING TO. That way, we can all understand what you are discussing. I can defend my words. I can’t defend your words about my words.
If they are going to scream about not have a person of color and a woman leading their march, then someone should point they are missing the all important LGBTQ scientist contingent. Maybe they are worried people would confuse their march with a PRIDE march.
You’re a fcukwit.
Bruce, there’s nothing I enjoy more than the kind of clever banter and genteel informed repartee that is so well exemplified by your penetrating and insightful comment, viz “You’re a fcukwit.”
I mean, the amount of thought and effort that you put into your words clearly shines through and reveals your true worth to all.
Best regards,
w.
Reminds me of the penetrating and insightful comment by an the person that posts: I think you are a jerkwagon https://judithcurry.com/2017/03/20/discussion-thread-improving-the-interface-between-climate-science-and-policy/#comment-842749
Thanks, Michael, but you’re cherry picking. For Bruce that was his only comment, that one line.
On the other hand, I had said:
I care no more now than I did then.
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People that live in glass houses……..besides, how do you know that what Bruce posted isn’t the truth?
“Instead, you decided to be a jerkwagon and just start running your mouth ”
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https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/03/19/corporate-average-fuel-economy-cafe-sux
Michael darby April 6, 2017 at 4:53 pm
Please quote where I said that Bruce was not telling the truth … in fact, the truth content of his statement cannot be determined for two reasons. First, he hasn’t said who he is talking to. Second. he has not defined what a “fcukwit” might be when it is at home. So, no way to tell.
Bruce’s crime was not being untruthful. It was the far more significant offense of being boring …
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I was giving my daughter a ride home from having visited her boyfriend. On the way she was texting. Suddenly my phone buzzed and on it was a text message from her phone: “My dad is an asshat”. I had no idea (still don’t, sounds like something from Harry Potter).
She explained that it really came from someone else that had borrowed her phone earlier and only now arrived on my phone. Besides being an asshat, maybe I’m stupid. But as a network engineer, maybe not THAT stupid. She meant to send the text to someone else 🙂
Willis, don’t play coy…… Google is your friend: http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/fuckwit Alternatively: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fuckwit
Recognize a pattern here??? “If you’re going to be a jerkwagon, at least be consistent.”
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/03/28/sea-water-level-fresh-water-tilted
Bruce’s comment was that of an immature internet twit, but Michael darby reveals the mind of a shriveled internet troll. Neither added one wit to the conversation. One showed himself to be dim, while the other showed he has little class.
Aw, come on, Willis, maybe Bruce just didn’t learn to spell at school. They will correct this next year when he goes into second grade.
Owen in GA: “Neither added one wit to the conversation.” But together they added one wit — which makes each of them …
Hi Griff! You’re going to need to extend your commentary a bit or you’ll miss this week’s target! Has the rate increaed any this year or is it still 5 cents a word?
With any luck, it will be rainy, windy, and cold that day.
One of my testicles just jumped straight out of my trousers and onto my mousepad. It looked me square in the eye and screeched ‘from now on , I identify as a xxx chromo’
I was dumbfounded. speechless. We have been good friends for most of my life. ‘balls’ , was the best I could muster.
‘Not any more’, it said.
So that’s it for me. Bill Nye is right and I now believe in CAGW. And other talking bollocks.
EternalOptimist April 6, 2017 at 4:02 pm
You have been good friends? Just goes to show ya, you can’t rust anyone anymore…Give your xxx chromo a participation trophy and send it toa safe space.
..Real scientists getting back to real science ! Wahooooooooo…………
“Event Horizon Telescope to try to capture images of elusive black hole edge”
https://www.sciencenews.org/blog/science-ticker/event-horizon-telescope-try-capture-images-elusive-black-hole-edge
THAT is something worth spending billions on !!
We could use the money from all the CAGW funding that falls into a black hole here on Earth to study one in Space.
Now if we can figure out a way to get them to carry placards with Mao, Stalin, Lysenko, and Che.
These folks are similtaneously clownish and dangerous. Usually the worst sort.
At the Copenhagen confab, Chavez and Mugabe too over-spoke their time-limits and drew standing ovations for their anti-West screeds. Videos of those applauses should be used in the next climate-contrarian film, because they indicate where many warmists’ hearts are at.
Chavez. Now that is a mouthful. Seems like only yesterday and $100 a barrel oil that he was the latest fetish leader of the Progressive movement. Genius of the Danube and all that. Now his beloved people suffer hunger in the dark while struggling to shake the disease he left behind. I felt sorry for the poor tumor that he infected.
No quarter ask none given.
From the March for (Junk)Science website:
“We are building a broad, nonpartisan, and diverse coalition of organizations and individuals who stand up for science……”
Nonpartisan? Nonpartisan? Um….yea. Right. And I’m Smokey The Bear…..
Silly rabbit, partisanship is for the Right. ;|
Climate “Science” Gone Mad; The True Face of Envirofascism
https://co2islife.wordpress.com/2017/04/06/climate-science-gone-mad-the-true-face-of-envirofascism/
Bill Nye Deemed “Too White”, “Too Male” To Lead Lefty Science March
It’s nothing but a virtue signaling fest.
It’s desperation.
I think that the organizers should have scheduled the march for April 1st! They are all a joke and fools to boot!
Immediate flash-back to the ‘Ship of Fools’ caught in the Antarctic ice that wasn’t there (they believed), and had to be rescued.
2013-14 I am reminded.
Already over three years ago.
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I’m still trying to get my head around the significance of the poster associating Bill Nye with the Disney logo. I can’t imagine ANYTHING more opposite than Disney and any kind of science. Disney is and has always been a feelings and emotions enterprise – and they are VERY good at it! Science is the search for truth without regard for emotions. It doesn’t matter whether or not you feel good about the Law of Gravity, it simply IS!
NW sage, here you go … it was a 90’s TV show, ran for one season.
w.
I watched a couple of those shows and associated Bill with Goofy.
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130310121327/youtubepoop/images/c/c0/Goofy_Yop.jpg
wut? disney is the mother of post modern science!
‘wishing makes it so’ didn’t come from aristotle, yo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Laboratory_Science_Series
Science is the search for fact, not truth. We can only believe that fact will equal truth. And we wouldn’t search for either if we weren’t emotionally motivated by a desire for meaning. 🙂
mr spock says:
‘interesting…’
(vulcans can’t pronounce ellipses cuz they don’t have a word for the ‘teh ineffable’)
This personal attack is totally unnecessary, be it Bill Nye or anyone else, it does sceptics no favours. This bile is one of the reasons I turned from an AGW believer into a sceptic. I can get this kind of personal attack tripe from any alarmist site I care to visit. I really didn’t expect it from contributors to WUWT.
We promote the science, yet now we smell a little success, after many years in the wilderness, the best we can do is mount a full frontal personal assault on a member of the alarmist brigade? It makes us no better than them.
Does this mean our professionals will now seek retribution at every opportunity and humiliate and degrade anyone who adopts the position of a warmist or alarmist. Once again, we stoop to their level.
I object to this futile, paranoid, revengeful and childish attack on Bill Nye, or anyone with a belief in AGW. They may not be right in their beliefs, but we may not be right in ours.
Stop it. It is disgusting and demeaning and we object to it, for very good reason, when it is levelled at us.
Willis, I am shocked, and ashamed of you.
Anthony, I am appalled you allowed this on your site.
Dear HotScot: I suggest you do a little research into the “position of a warmist or alarmist” that this “any person” has “adopted”, and the WAY he has promoted it as Science God. THEN you can fly your virtue signals without promoting giggles.
This qualifies as bile?????
It’s pretty mild compared to what Bill the nonsense guy has sent our way.
Other than a couple of mild digs towards Nye for the notion that he could possibly represent science, most of the digs are at those who care more about a person’s color and gender than they do about a person’s character or qualifications. Such people have earned everything that is thrown at them.
HotScot April 6, 2017 at 5:19 pm
I’m sorry, Scotty, but having re-read the post I’m not seeing what has you so upset.
Which is why I ask people to QUOTE THE EXACT WORDS YOU OBJECT TO … but noooo, the Hot Scot is far above such plebeian nonsense as that.
“We”? What is this “we”? I’m a well-known climate blogger and I sign my name to my work. You are a random anonymous internet popup who could disavow his words tomorrow. There is no “we”.
“Our professionals”? Which “professionals” would those be? I was unaware “we” owned any professionals … but then I don’t know who “we” is.
And I object to your righteous pig-headed insistence that everyone should be just like you. Some of us poke fun at the opposition. You see that as some kind of crime. Sorry, but you should learn to laugh.
Stop WHAT, exactly? Stop everything that the HotScot thinks is wrong? Stop being a meanie to Bill Nye, a man who has made his living demeaning and distorting science? Check out what your pal Bill said about climate “deniers” sometime. Here’s a sample of what you are defending and the rest of us are laughing at:
That’s your boy, Scotty, and if you don’t laugh at that you’ve lost your sense of humor. Goes around, comes around.
Say what? Leveled at “us”? “We” object to it? Dude, you’ve spent too much time watching the Queen on TV. She gets to say “We object to it”. You don’t.
Yes, and you’re not all that switched on about comma usage either, but I digress. While I’m glad I’ve not lost the ability to shock people, I could not possibly care less if you are ashamed. I don’t take moral advice from people without the albondigas to sign their own words. If you are ashamed, well, that’s your business, but I’ve done nothing to be ashamed of.
w.
Willis,
feeling a tad defensive are we? A detailed rebuttal of a “random anonymous internet popup”?
Using the authority of your position to discredit another? Virtue signalling?
Because Bill Nye is a nasty little piece of works, it doesn’t mean you have to be.
HotScot April 9, 2017 at 1:49 am
Nope. Just wanted to see if you actually had anything under your bluster. Not.
When a man tells me he is “shocked and ashamed” by my actions, I defend them. What do you do?
I have exactly the same “authority” here as you do, that is to say, none. Our words are all we have.
Not for me, thanks. I haven’t had breakfast and it upsets my stomach.
That’s a good thing, and it’s why I’m not any kind of “piece of works [sic]” at all.
w.
HotScot wrote some things: “we stoop to their level.”
That we do. Or I do. I have no idea who I mean by “we” and even less knowledge of you you mean by “we”.
One of the weaknesses of the right was failing to grasp the Power of the Left, which, as Saul Alinsky kindly explains, resides principally with ridicule. One of the weaknesses of the Left is not recognizing that ridicule does not affect libertarians in particular. So both sides tend to be ineffective on the other AND that is also a reason why it is not a continuum from left to right. The left in particular enforces “left-ness” upon its subscribers.
“but we may not be right in ours.”
Yet you seem to express considerable rightness in your opinion, a worthy opinion to be sure but effective only upon those for whom it is effective.
To FAIL to ridicule and humiliate the left is seen as a weakness by the left on the assumption that you would if you could and dared to do so. They taunt each other frequently; entire television shows exist to taunt and ridicule their own kind. Oh, they ridicule libertarians and the right wing, but how many of that kind watch Saturday Night Live? They are sending signals of (1) acceptable beahvior and (2) establishing hierarchy and (3) de-stressing the pack by designating the “omega” for everyone to ridicule.
Obama did this a few years ago at the White House correspondents dinner, designated Donald Trump for ridicule. How did that turn out?
Consider any kind of pecking order or hierarchy. How is it established? The “pecking order” is so named because this establishment is physical. As you go up the evolutionary ladder, words and behaviors start to take the place of physical hierarchy establishment, but if words don’t work, it’s back to physical.
The solution therefore seems to be to “ridicule with style” and W.E. handles that part well. Ridicule sends a signal to the left, and style sends a signal to the right.
HotScot: Welcome to the reality of “science”. Neither side is capable of being nice. Learn to love it or learn to love being pummeled by both sides for your idealism and rational thoughts.
Sheri,
I have suffered an awful lot worse than this in the past because of my desire to remain impartial. Thanks though.
Is it just me, or is this sentence incomplete: “Prepare for impassioned speeches from all the extremely scientific co-“?
CO’s.
Co-ed dorm captains.
Co-d pink conspirators.
Co-Agenda 21ers.
Co- what did you mean (I tried to quote the exact words that you wrote)?
– JPP
Yeah, J. Philip, I got tired of the “co-everything” and just let it run out …
w.
Julius Sumner Miller – a real science guy. Never missed an episode of “Why Is It So?”. A nice example:
https://youtu.be/z3BSkMj1wLc
On XX vs XY, I once saw this cute cartoon captioned “The Goddess Creates Men”. The drawing showed the goddess up in heaven sorting a tray of XX pairs for the next batch of women. She picks up one and accidentally breaks off the lower right leg of the X, thereby making an XY pair. “Oops”.
Which is essentially the case.
In mammals with the XY system, males are effectively genetically defective women. We are missing alleles to match up with most of the big X chromosome. Hence, much higher rate of sex-linked genetic disorders in men.
And it’s why male pattern baldness is inherited from your mother’s dad.
Or evolution has made males to demonstrate greater diversity so that the species can adapt more quickly. Evolution has been at work for 4 billion years I tend not to think it uses poor tools.
Gloateus suggests “males are effectively genetically defective women.”
Well that’s one way of looking at it (I don’t look at it that way).
“We are missing alleles”
I seem not to be missing alleles. Perhaps I misplaced one in my desk drawer and just don’t remember having done so.
“97% of all true moral noble and upstanding humanoids ”
You forgot to include all the Nobel humanoids, who once had something to do with the IPCC … or something or other.
Nor larrikins mistaken for laureates.
Cue Monsieur Bonaparte: Never interrupt . . .
Per Willis’ link, march for/against science will be held on Earth Day, 22 April. I had heard that the date was picked by environmental activists because it was Lenin’s birthday. There is much on the Internet. I found this post interesting:
https://cei.org/blog/earth-day-lenins-birthday-coincidence
Quote:
So on the 45th anniversary of the first Earth Day, we sadly see the continuing belief in command-and-control economic systems. Government ownership of the land, water, and natural resources continues to grow with each passing year. The mass of governmental regulatory agencies, bureaucrats, and the sheer staggering number of new environmental regulations passed every year take us further away from any solution.
A year or two ago I heard, on NPR, an interview of the daughter of a legendary adman who had just died. He had handled the publicity for the first Earth Day. She said that he suggested April 22 based on his own birthday, or that of one of his relatives or friends. She sounded convincing to me; she didn’t seem aware of the Lenin’s-birthday claim.
Could be true, could be cover up.
No way to tell which.
OT:
Well, it looks like Trump has laid down a marker for the dictators of the world. The U.S. just struck targets in Syria with cruise missiles.
I bet ole Kim Jung Un of North Korea is paying attention. Russia and China, too. And all the totalitarians of the world. What do you think.
I’m thinking all of them are going to be taking Trump a little more seriously now.
Fox News is reporting that Trump did NOT call Putin and warn him before the attack.
War with the Mad Mullahs of Iran, of which Syria is a surrogate, is inevitable, so we might as well get started on it now because the longer we wait, the stronger our enemies will get.
War is never inevitable.
Appeasement is an alternative. Or surrender.
Good move, why give Putin a chance to warn Assad?
It takes two to make peace, and only one to make war.
Putin and Assad reminds me of an old LBJ quote:
“He may be an SOB, but he’s our SOB.”
If, as reported, the attack involved 50 cruise missiles, Trump is still way behind Clinton’s attempt to distract from Monica Lewinsky. That involved 63-88 Tomahawks:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Infinite_Reach#Background
Still, it’s a more than token gesture.
Missiles have the advantage of not needing to warn the Russians ahead of time. Of course that didn’t stop Clinton from warning Pakistan, so that they could warn bin Laden to evacuate his training camps.
Actually, they use 59 Tomahawks to whack that airfield.
At about $1.6 million a pop, buy Raytheon stock.
Don’t they have a “use by” date?
Resupply is likely already factored into the stock price.
Wouldn’t the solid rocket motor and the explosive be the only parts with use by dates?
The electronics and structure should have a pretty long life expectancy.
59 x 1,600,000 dollars.
Less than $100,000,000.
Is that even chump change?
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President Trump authorized a coordinated cruise missile attack on the Syrian airbase that supported the aircraft that launched the WMD gas attack on Syrian civilians. Then he had dinner with the Chinese President at Mar-a-Lago.
Tonight Syria, Russia, China, Iran, ISIS, and North Korea are all frantically re-evaluating their intelligence estimates of the new President of the United States of America. And well they should….
“Message received? How copy? Over…”
Steve Bannon’s removal from National Security Council?
We extend the open hand of friendship to all people of goodwill. Others will be dealt with appropriately. Whatever the cost to us in lives and treasure you are mistaken in believing that we will not act forcefully when required. That weak fellow is gone. The new one has an itchy finger, a huge gun, and trouble sleeping. Enjoy.
I think I saw all of the Science Fiction Theaters in the 1950s:
Science Fiction Theater 26 Target Hurricane:
I used to relay these TV episodes to my friend via phone in high school who had no TV…
He is now a Dr of physics and computer science who believes in CAGW…
The little guy “Bobbie” is actually A. Watts before he became a meteorologist…
No good deed goes unpunished.
Maybe if he had had TV he might have turned out better.
I love how the Scouts find shelter in the *caves* west of Miami. LMAO
The “best and brightest” are protesting the “color of his skin”. The outcome of resurrecting institutional racism, sexism, etc. and normalizing prejudice, unlike the incompletely, and, in fact, insufficiently characterized, and unwieldy Earth system, was not only forecast, but was wholly predictable.
Old’un , you must a bit older then me, First I wanted to be a jet pilot and shortly after it became the “rage” I wanted to be an astronaut, my how times change! ( But a an Engine Driver is cool as hell! 🙂 ).
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/ancient-arctic-ice-core-damaged-melting-university-alberta-1.4058756
U of Alberta? They’ll blame it on the Russians… with the blessing of Freeland.
Over-reliance on computers and modern appliances never works out well.
A lot of O2 is going to wasted on April 22 and a lot of CO2 is going to be added to the atmosphere. But heck it is cherry time in DC so just maybe they’ll have a decent crop. Oh right those trees, just like the politicians don’t produce anything except for “flowery” looks..
When I used to tell all my schoolmates I wanted to be an engineer when I grew up, they all decided they wanted to drive trains for a living too.
Have the mods gone on vacation? I found this thread filled with disgusting name-calling that ought have been tossed.
And still you read this far. Interesting.
Don Perry @ur momisugly 9:09
Yes, I quite agree. It detracts from the issue, is childish and boring. Also gives us useless stuff to have to sort through. Most importantly it lowers the tone of WUWT to the level of the rest of the pack which is a great shame after Anthony has spent so much time making it great (again?).
@Alastair Brickell
It seems I’m not alone in holding this opinion.
Am I, Willis?
HotScot asked “It seems I’m not alone in holding this opinion.”
So it would seem. 7 billion humans on Earth; someone has the same opinion!
@Michael 2
Gosh, you’re so clever. Unfortunately there isn’t 7 billion humans subscribing to this blog, or did you miss that bit?
HotScot wrote: “Gosh, you’re so clever.”
True enough. As it happens I am a clever Scot. If there’s truth to the stereotype of Scottish engineer, well, I would be an affirming example.
“Unfortunately there isn’t 7 billion humans subscribing to this blog”
Nearly certain to be true, but I have not asserted that it is so. The selection pool is 7 billion persons. From this selection pool we draw two sets. One set is persons who think as you think, and the other set is those who read this blog. It is somewhat likely that persons who think like you will also behave like you, meaning that a disproportionate number out of that 7 billion people pool is probably here with you; or put another way, the chance or probability of encountering such a person is at least slightly better than 1/[7e9].
“or did you miss that bit?”
Somewhere on Earth is someone that thinks like you, he or she may be reading this blog AND I missed the part where previous to your observation someone has pointed out that not all 7 billion people read this blog.
@Michael 2
Your statement was specific, with no qualification: “7 billion humans on Earth; someone has the same opinion!”.
“It is somewhat likely that persons who think like you will also behave like you”.
And your evidence for this sweeping statement is?
“meaning that a disproportionate number out of that 7 billion people pool is probably here with you”.
Shouldn’t that be ‘proportionate’ number? A disproportionate number would suggest one significantly higher, or lower, than a number proportionate to the pool, the sets, the number of subscribers to this blog, the number of people with access to a suitable computing device, and those of that subset with internet access. Amongst other variables like, most of the worlds population don’t give a monkeys about GW, man made or otherwise, at least those with a computing device and internet access who could be bothered to vote on an online, United Nations poll.
In other words, you made a smart ar*ed comment and now your wriggling.
Haud yer wheesht.
HotScot wrote: “Michael 2: Your statement was specific, with no qualification: 7 billion humans on Earth; someone has the same opinion!”
Well, okay, I exaggerated. It is remotely possible that your exact opinion is not found even among 7 billion humans. In my experience people and their thinking tends to cluster around specific “attractors” which I believe are evolutionary in nature and thus not amenable to change or even inspection.
Several such attractors exist and are somewhat rival. One is a need for security in a herd or hive and its political manifestation is socialism in varying forms. It is rival with an explorer instinct to find new pasture. A third attractor is a need to protect the herd. This kind isn’t interested in being a herd or hive member, but obtains some benefit in the vicinity of the herd and protects the herd from predators. It is those predators that are a fourth kind of attractor.
In the movie, “American Sniper”, we explore three kinds: Sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs. A fourth kind, the loner, isn’t relevant to war, neither making it or preventing it and thus outside the scope of the movie.
“And your evidence for this sweeping statement is?”/i>
I do not offer evidence. I declare my beliefs. You declare yours. Nothing here is evidence; it is all words.
“In other words, you made a smart ar*ed comment and now your wriggling.”
Yes. It creates opportunity to lay out ideas for further exploration. In the hive and herd thing, I seem to lean toward protective of the herd but also exploration, find new forage for the herd; but I don’t like being *in* the herd or told what to do by those who appoint themselves shepherds.
Apologies
and now you’re wriggling
Type in haste, repent at leisure ~sigh~
@Michael 2
Once again I refer to your original statement, “7 billion humans on Earth; someone has the same opinion!”
It is uncompromising, and again unqualified by any expression that it is your belief. Indeed it appears a rash, ill considered, statement of fact.
“In my experience” is nothing more than anecdotal evidence.
Reference to a Hollywood dramatisation of real events to justify anything is ludicrous. Much like citing Braveheart as a representation of Scottish culture and factual events.
So, from a simple, silly statement you made, you have bragged about your intellect, maintain your experience is suitable evidence to support a fantastical departure into the subject of herds and hives, cite Hollywood as a source of philosophical inspiration, dismiss a sweeping statement as a declaration of your beliefs and, finally, when you admit (barely) you are wriggling, you justify it by contending you are merely exploring ideas.
Wow, flights of fancy or what?
HotScot writes “Once again I refer to your original statement, ‘7 billion humans on Earth; someone has the same opinion!’ It is uncompromising, and again unqualified by any expression that it is your belief. Indeed it appears a rash, ill considered, statement of fact.”
Good heavens, you seem obsessed! I suppose the only thing to do is find that other person that shares your opinion. Alastair Brickell April 6, 2017 at 10:22 pm “Yes, I quite agree. It detracts from the issue, is childish and boring.”
“‘In my experience’ is nothing more than anecdotal evidence.”
Yes.
“Reference to a Hollywood dramatisation of real events to justify anything is ludicrous. Much like citing Braveheart as a representation of Scottish culture and factual events.”
You mistake that I need to justify anything as if you were some kind of judge.
What is important is shared experience to advance a conversation. Chris Kyle’s father chose the metaphor of sheep, wolves and sheepdogs to explain the circumstances under which entering a school playground fight on behalf of someone else would be justified by him. Justification is not a property of a thing, it is the result of a mental process by someone that presumes himself to be a judge (that be you for you, and me for me).
“So, from a simple, silly statement you made, you have bragged about your intellect”
Bragging was apparently a fine art in Scandinavia (Beowulf comes to mind).
“maintain your experience is suitable evidence to support a fantastical departure into the subject of herds and hives”
I admire your quick grasp of the obvious. Carl Jung, Sigmund Freud, so far as I know each used his own experiences to develop his understanding of psychology just as I do likewise for my own understanding.
“cite Hollywood as a source of philosophical inspiration”
I have many sources of inspiration and even more sources of expressions.
“dismiss a sweeping statement as a declaration of your beliefs”
That happens occasionally.
“and, finally, when you admit you are wriggling, you justify it by contending you are merely exploring ideas.”
I justify nothing. Occasionally I will explain my behavior. My style of argumentation is intended to be at least slightly unpredictable to get people “off script” and onto a meaningful discussion. It can take quite a long time to exhaust these scripts.
@Michael 2
Keep digging.
HotScot orders: “Michael 2, Keep digging.”
Once again you assume to tell others what to do; it’s probably in your DNA. But today is your lucky day, it is indeed my nature to keep digging until I have uncovered truth or decide there’s no truth to be had.
Michael 2
Well done, you made it.
Do you need a ‘safe place’? In the part of the world that accepts the right to free speech proscribed by the 1st Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, the open, uncensored discussion of concepts and ideas may not always appeal to your delicate sensibilities… or your desires for selective censorship.
A “safe place” is merely the place that intolerant people wish to go when they can’t destroy, or at least silence those that they disagree with. It is in fact an expression of close minded intolerance.
The 1st ammd is a restriction on government, not private individuals or companies.
DP,
Even Willis’ cat is not happy. Safe space is relative to one’s perception of need. The cat is inside and out of the rain but it is not happy. Probably would be less happy outside.
Would you have read through soo many posts if you had the opportunity to scroll through an equal of blank pages? Would that make you a ‘happy cat’? You may not really like a safe space after all you put yourself through.
@Don Perry
Agreed.