French Presidential Candidate Proposes Carbon Tax on All Imported US Goods

French Politician Nicolas Sarkozy

French Politician Nicolas Sarkozy

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Nicholas Sarkozy, former president of France, who is currently running again for President, has demanded Europe impose a carbon tax on imported US goods if Trump pulls out of the Paris Agreement.

The primary candidate for the right Nicolas Sarkozy has proposed Sunday, November 13, the implementation of a carbon tax on US products imported into Europe , if the President elect Donald Trump denounced the agreement of Paris on the climate.

“Donald Trump said he would not meet – we’ll see if he takes this commitment – the conclusions of the Paris agreement on climate. Well I ask that Europe is adopting a carbon tax at the borders of Europe, a tax of 1 to 3% for all products that come from the United States if the United States is exempt from environmental rules, we impose on our businesses.”

“We can not find in a situation where our businesses have obligations but where we continue to import products from countries that meet none of those obligations”, he pleaded on TF1.

Read more (original French): http://www.lemonde.fr/politique/article/2016/11/13/sarkozy-propose-une-taxe-carbone-si-trump-denonce-l-accord-sur-le-climat_5030514_823448.html

This isn’t the first time European politicians have demanded a Carbon tax on countries they perceive as less environmentally pure than themselves. A previous European attempt to impose a carbon tax on international airlines foundered when everyone else refused to pay.

The concept of carbon taxing other countries has repeatedly reared its head on the world stage, the latest incarnation being a UN brokered agreement to impose an airline carbon tax on everyone.

The description of arch-globalist and climate fanatic Nicolas Sarkozy as being the primary candidate for the French Right is open to question – Marine Le Pen, a Donald Trump like figure in French politics, has a serious chance of winning the upcoming French Presidential Election.

EW – Corrected the name of Marine Le Pen

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220 thoughts on “French Presidential Candidate Proposes Carbon Tax on All Imported US Goods

  1. There is no “Marie Le Pen”.

    There are :
    Marine Le Pen
    Marion Maréchal-Le Pen

    When will someone proof read the posts?

  2. Imagine France without Chinese products – oh I forgot, their requirements are entirely voluntary, so they are “in compliance.” Monsieur Le Penn? – ici votre chanson, et bon chance!!!

    • Mademoiselle Le Penn, actually. In previous elections, the French legacy parties have rallied behind the candidate most likely to beat the FN in a stitch-up of epic proportions. It is to be hoped that the French electorate hand out the sort of chastisement that BREXIT voters and Trump voters handed out to their legacy party elites. but I’m not overly optimistic.

    • yes I imagine and hope – first, not to send any flax to china or india and we do not need monsieur “le pen” – we could have Mr François ASSELINEAU (ww.u.p.r.fr )

      we have been able to manufacture many things in the past – why not now –

      • le Front National is now in the hands of his daughter and a niece. The daughter expelled he father M. Le Pen earlier this year. Sarkozy may not get past the primaries in the next few weeks. Le Pen will not win the presidency because the other parties won’t let her. It is a tradition in france. Most likely to be president (at the moment) is Juppé a former fraudster who spent time in prison on behalf of his party’s masters.

        Most french people are brainwashed greenies, IMHO. They are brainwashed at every turn. By their banks, by their shops, by their government, by their media. There are no loud anti AGW voices anywhere in france. They will keep pushing until the great collapse comes and will still keep pushing.
        Their stupidity comes with a lot of Gallic pride and that’s what holds it all together. Even though they are utterly stupid they know the US can hurt them at lot more than they can hurt the US.

        It was your stupid, communist kenyan dictator that set up the problem for the US, maybe deliberately by giving china free rein.

    • Monsieur Le Penn? – ici votre chanson, et bon chance!!!

      Mr. Le Penn? – here is your song, and good luck!!!
      wǒ bù dǒng

      • Could be trying to point out that “Monsieur Le Penn?” is actually Madam Le Pen and and quite a handsome woman for a political powerhouse.

      • Well it used to be M Le pen, but he’s too old. Marine took the wheel and steered the party into slightly more acceptable and very popular waters.

      • The primary candidate for the right Nicolas Sarkozy has proposed …

        I guess you used Google to translate this but it is wrong.

        “Le candidat à la primaire de la droite ” does not mean he is the primary candidate for the right it means he is a candidate in the french primaries. Alain Juppe is the front runner to represent the centre right . Marine Le Pen will represent the FN and will be a separate candidate on the ballot from whichever of the precending two gets to represent the centre right.

        Sarko is not well liked by many on the right and has been in and out of legal proceedings since he was voted out of office last time he was pres.

        He can’t match Clinton’s world class corruption but may be the Clintonesque candidate for the french presidency.

      • “On ne peut pas se retrouver dans une situation où …”

        This means: we can not allow ourselves to end up in a situation where ..

        Google translate has it’s limitations !

        If Anthony of EW need a french translation for future articles you have my email and I would be more than happy to oblige.

      • “Well it used to be M Le pen, but he’s too old”

        No, Alain “Ali” Juppé is old, and that doesn’t seem to hurt him (if you believe the polls which are certainly extremely biased).

        Jean-Marie Le Pen is too fond of jokes about the aspect of Jews, and discussing whether the gas chambers are a detail of the history of WWII (or even made up).

        http://www.ina.fr/video/CAB87032378

        Not that he really believes any of that. He just loves the gratuitous provocation. It’s very obvious in the silences of his interviews – you can’t see that in the transcript. He may be a provocation addict.

        Jean-Marie Le Pen was part of the 1956 « Opération Mousquetaire » against the nationalization of the Suez canal by Nasser, a French-British-Israeli operation.

      • Jean-Marie Le Pen has been excluded from the FN as a member (decision of “tribunal de grande instance de Nanterre”).

        He had been suspended from the party by the “bureau exécutif” of the FN (4 may 2015); the decision was cancelled by the tribunal de grande instance (TGI) de Nanterre later in 2015.

        Jean-Marie Le Pen is now only the “president d’honneur” of the party he founded.

    • I disconnected completely from the French language, when I had the experience of trying to find my Sister in a Geneva hospital where she had been lying in bed for 13 months, being experimented on by some Professor at the hospital. The second day I visited her in that hospital she happened to not be in her bed in the room she had been in for those 13 months, so I asked for her of one of the French nurses who had been taking care of her all that time.

      She did not recognize my sister’s Irish family name, because I did not pronounce it in their phony French discombobulation of her name.

      How the hell can you not understand ” Dulin ” ?? It’s Irish, you morons. They sent me to a different department on a different floor in a different building where an administrator told me that there was no such patient in the hospital. Same reason; couldn’t understand her Irish name.

      Finally discovered she was right back exactly where she had been for 13 months, and was the first day I visited her.

      But anyhow, we will be sure to apply an import tariff on any French wines, that get exported to California; well if any do, now and then when they make a good one. We are used to getting good California wines that they make every year.

      G

  3. “a tax of 1 to 3% for all products”

    Yep, for a given hypothesis (no climate target what so ever in the US, targets as specified in the COP(n) pact), this little guy just doesn’t know what the corrective factor should be. Between 1 and 3.

    This is in line with “predictions” of climate “science”.

    • Well all theoretical climate modelled results have a built in 3:1 range of error.

      In “How much Rain will Global Warming bring”, Wentz et al measured 7% increase per deg. C rise in mean global Temperature in one of the factors they measured. The GCMs had 1-3% for the same variable, about a 2 to 7 times error factor, from the measured value.

      Total rubbish models.

      G

    • Thanks to the freedom-loving people of the UK for leaving. Showed many of us here in the Colonies that it can be done.

  4. “We can not find in a situation where our businesses have obligations but where we continue to import products from countries that meet none of those obligations”, he pleaded on TF1.

    Please. They have the same trade with China that we do, and China has much more lax environmental regulations than the French put on their domestic businesses. Even if the Chinese are participating in the Paris accord, it is to hamstring their competition.

    No matter. Let France start a trade war with us. They are not the only ones that can impose import duties, and they depend a lot more on our business than we do on theirs. Put a 50% tax on French cheese. Less pissy intervention from the surrender monkeys, more money for Wisconsin. Win/win.

      • The only problem with that is that not all the parts are made in France. The wings and engines are make in the UK and transported to France for assembly. Many other parts are made elsewhere in the EU and transported to France, buy road and truck.

      • When the A380 was going into production, there were delays. We contracted with Airbus to store material to protect it from UV exposure. They were soft aluminum extrusions that were to be machined into stringers for the wings.

        They were brought to us in the U.S. loaded on flat racks by ocean carrier. The manifest stated they were forged in a foundry in France. We were located 3 miles from Ralee Engineering who is a subsidiary of Triumph Structures and did the machining work.

    • Even if the Chinese are participating in the Paris accord, it is to hamstring their competition.

      Got that right.

    • “Put a 50% tax on French cheese.”

      Every country already makes its own soda water. Easy enough to make your own Champagne..

      • But our Government caved in, and we can’t call one of our great products Champagne. We have to label it Methode Champagnois, or some such foolisness.

    • Since when did the French start making cheese ??

      Cheese comes from either Tilamook, or Wisconsin.

      Well we even make cheese in California.

      I personally like the New Zealand “Blue Vein” cheese. You can easily tell when you have enough on your plate. If you put any more than enough on your plate, your plate will walk off on its own !

      g

  5. That should do it then.
    Pushing Trump like that virtually guarantees that Trump pulls out of the Paris Agreement.
    Another win.

    • However France is about te lowest emitting nation in Europe on account of extensive hydro and massive nuclear deployment.

    • Yeah, we need to come up with a carbon tax for Germany for shutting down the nukes and shifting to low grade coal.

      • Nah, just take the carbon tax revenue off the NATO funding and reduce troop numbers accordingly. EU must always remember where their security comes from. GK

    • He is – his statement illustrates the utter imbecility of Sarkozy.

      Who will pay the tax? The people how buy the imports. who buys the imports? The French.

      The US producers aren’t going to stump up cash and then not put the cost onto their products – that’s how taxing businesses always works Businesses taxes are always – except in the very short term – paid by consumers and/or employees in a competitive market.

      That has to be so, because in a competitive market prices are at the lowest level that gives an acceptable return to investors. Try and reduce the return to investors and either you get no investment or you get prices rises and/or restraint on costs (e..g. no pay rises, job losses etc.)

    • The joker’s tax proposal is not really about CO2, it’s about backhanding upstart Trump and the US electorate.

  6. “The primary candidate for the right Nicolas Sarkozy …” is in favor of a carbon tax. Boy, they really are different in Europe.

    • That’s what we (Brits) have been saying for years! France is only 26 miles from our shoreline (and, unfortunately, connected to us via a tunnel). But they could be on the other side of the world. Having met LOTS of French people, I can say that we are SO different. We share nothing in common…nothing. We have no ‘likeness’ to any Europeans at all. We were never really going to be a part of it, we just think differently. Now, thanks to Brexit, we are out. Well, nearly, if our Prime Minister could pull her finger out.

      • Well, we do. French was the official language at one time, and many English words are derived from French. But I get your point.

      • Patrick, I’ve got no particular problem with the French, or the Germans, or the Italians, etc. My point is that British people are completely different from ALL Europeans. We don’t think alike, act alike, our humour is different, our outlook is different. We even drive on the correct side of the road!

      • I finally watched “The Sorrow And The Pity”. Now I misunderstand the French even better. Machiavelli must have really been French.

      • Bazzer (and other Brits here), where does sovereignty lay in the UK? Is it with the people or with the Parliament (presumably no longer with the monarch)?

        If sovereignty is with the people, then how is Parliament able to give away power to Brussels that it did not own? If sovereignty is with Parliament, then why is a referendum on the EU even necessary?

        Finally, if sovereignty in the UK is with the people (as I suspect and hope), then why isn’t the original EU enabling treaty illegal? If the treaty was illegal, then why need Article 50 be invoked? Why can’t the UK just walk away?

        And if the treaty was illegal, then why would the UK supposedly owe the EU money for past budget whatevers?

      • “If the treaty was illegal, then why need Article 50 be invoked? Why can’t the UK just walk away?”

        Because it would violate international law is the usual answer, which of course leads to the next question: so what? That’s what you have a military for!

        Article 50 allows for a negotiation, ostensibly to get a reasonable, peaceful divorce, something the Euro MP and the heads of states of EU members have ruled out, going as far as wishing a very bad deal as a dissuasion against other divorces. Then the UK says it will take the “hard brexit” route, then they reply that “hard brexit implies hard negotiation”, which doesn’t even make sense, as “hard brexit” means no post breakup deal at all, and necessitates exactly zero negotiation.

        Obviously people afraid of starting 2 years of breakup negotiations are not willing to try a non-negotiated breakup!

      • I think the “article 50” judges understand French judicial practice extremely well.
        (Sorry. Couldn’t resist.)

      • “Pat Frank November 18, 2016 at 5:04 pm

        Bazzer (and other Brits here), where does sovereignty lay in the UK? Is it with the people or with the Parliament (presumably no longer with the monarch)?

        If sovereignty is with the people, then how is Parliament able to give away power to Brussels that it did not own? If sovereignty is with Parliament, then why is a referendum on the EU even necessary?”

        Thanks to William Pitt, sovereignty no longer lays with a monarch. The monarch is still a figure head and can dissolve parliament, but that is about it. Politicians will do what they want. Britain has Ted Heath (Tory) to thank for injecting Britain in to the Common Market/ECC effective Jan 1st 1974 without a mandate from the people. You could compare it to Obama and executive orders, bypassing Congress.

      • Sovereignty ultimately is, from, and with the people – obviously. Parliament has already had a vote on the EU (the BBC keeps failing to mention it). They decided 6 to 1 to give people a referendum to decide. The statement given by the government was literally:
        “We will implement what you decide”
        No further vote is needed, and I can tell you that Brexit will happen, it’s just a matter of when. Negotiations are required, but I would prefer it if there was (VERY soon) a date set for total withdrawal. Needless to say, we will have to make a financial contribution to the EU – because they cannot survive without our money! But I would prefer some form of ‘hard’ Brexit.

      • Actually, the major right French party, UMP (union des moutons de Panurge, or something) signed a “protocol” with the China Communist Party:

        Xavier Bertrand, secrétaire général de l’UMP, a signé aujourd’hui un protocole entre son parti et le Parti communiste chinois (PCC) lors d’une visite en Chine par ailleurs axée sur l’environnement et la sortie de crise économique.

        “Ce protocole veut dire une meilleure compréhension, une meilleure connaissance et beaucoup plus d’échanges” entre le parti communiste au pouvoir en Chine et le parti de droite au pouvoir en France, a déclaré Bertrand. “Cela veut dire, sur de nombreux sujets, par exemple sur l’environnement ou l’avenir de l’Europe, multiplier les échanges entre dirigeants mais aussi entre cadres et élus du parti”.

        UMP et PCC ont décidé que tous les deux ans, une fois en Chine, une fois en France, serait organisé “un événement qui donnerait un relief particulier à ce protocole”, a annoncé Bertrand.

        http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2009/10/22/01011-20091022FILWWW00521-un-accord-entre-le-pc-chinois-et-l-ump.php

        I won’t translate because I suck at it and I don’t even understand what that even means (I understand every word but no sentence) or whether it meant anything, except that’s kind of a wedding or engagement between what actually passes in France for a strong right/far right/extreme economically liberal party and the party of Mao.

  7. Sarkozy’s proposal is not feasible.

    First, it is Brussels rather than Paris that sets border taxes.

    Second, it is against WTO rules to impose a border tax unless there is an equivalent domestic tax. There is not.

    Sarkozy is posturing and sloganeering.

    • There are 27 nation states in the “EU”. It is extremely difficult to find a consensus amongst them.
      Sarkozy is nothing but a poisonous dwarf.

    • He says at the borders of Europe, not at the borders of France. As for the WTO rules, not sure what you are saying is correct. The WTO sets maximum tariffs that can be charged on imports. The EU already has significant tariffs on many goods from outside the EU. It can increase those if it wishes to.

    • Richard: Donald Trump doesn’t sound like he expects to be constrained by WTO rules. So why do you think Sarkozy, France or the EU will be willing to be constrained by them?

      Rightly or wrongly (mostly the latter), CAGW is passionately accepted by much of the developed world. If they cut their emissions 30%, 50% or even 80%, some of the benefits they expect to gain will be lost when other countries don’t reduce their emissions or grow their emissions. Most of that problem comes from growing emissions by less developed countries (they all want to follow China’s economic path fueled by cheap fossil fuels), but no one expects those countries to restrain their growth in emissions unless all richer countries are doing so. As an economist, don’t you think that one sensible response under these conditions is to try to apply a Pigou tax* to goods exported from countries that ignore the negative externalities associated with the CO2 emissions? Particularly countries that can afford to pay this tax?

      International trade is under attack worldwide. I can see many developed countries being will to sacrifice the WTO and the current system to punish countries that “refuse to do their fair share”. I find Sarkozy’s remarks scary, but not ludicrous.

      • Except there ARE no negative “externalities” to CO2 emissions, but there are massive negative externalities to policies proposed in the name of “climate change.”

      • AGW is Not Science: President Sarkozy believes there are negative externalities. In light of his sincere beliefs, his comments appear rational, not ludicrous and increasingly likely in a world where international trade is under attack.

        I’m glad you are confident that there will be no negative externalities associated with rising GHGs. IMO, however, both belief in CAGW and the non-existence of AGW BOTH has strong elements of a religion. Science is what lies between these extremes and comes with a health respect for uncertainty.

      • “President Sarkozy believes there are negative externalities”

        No, he does not.

        “In light of his sincere beliefs”

        The man has no sincere beliefs.

        “his comments appear rational, not ludicrous and increasingly likely in a world where international trade is under attack”

        Nope. IF he really entertained this belief, his comment would make no sense what so ever.

        1) The Paris pact has not been ratified.
        2) The Paris pact doesn’t define pollution (*) limits.
        3) China is the biggest polluter, and is allowed to INCREASE its pollution.

        (*) for people who believe that CO2 is pollution, which is taken for granted for the sake of your inept argument, so no quote around “pollution”

      • simple-touriste: I bow to you superior wisdom. I can’t look into Sarkozy’s mind see what he knows about climate change and recognize that he holds no sincere beliefs about it – after more than two decades of propaganda. /sarc

        I do know that the Paris Treaty has been ratified and is in force – in force according to the terms of this agreement. The Paris Treaty was not approved as a treaty or executive agreement in the US, so no US Court should uphold its provisions. The Paris Treaty is a treaty of “national aspirations” and other countries are going to respond negatively when our aspiration to do them less harm – as they see it – changes.

        The treaty doesn’t provide limits to CO2 emissions, but it does contain Intended Nationally Determined Contributions (INDC) to reduce CO2 emissions. China pledged to reduce emissions as a percentage of GDP by 65% by 2030. If the Chinese GDP were to grow at a rate 7% per year (today’s target), it would be 2.6X bigger in 2030 than it is today and that 65% reduction as a percentage of GDP would turn into a 10% reduction in emissions in absolute terms. Given that Chinese economic growth has been driven by debt-fueled spending and that debt has reached dangerous levels, perhaps 3% annual growth in GDP would be a more reasonable estimate. That would be a 50% increase in GDP and a 47% reductions in total emissions! Of course, these are INTENDED contributions and know one knows what will happen if (when) Chinese economic grow slows.

        How do you define “biggest” emitter? Total emissions? Emissions per capita? Emissions per GDP?

      • “I can’t look into Sarkozy’s mind see what he knows about climate change and recognize that he holds no sincere beliefs about it”

        1) Sarkozy tried to pass a CO2 tax once and then dropped the idea.
        2) Sarkozy organized a big conference with enviros to defined ecoloon targets
        3) Sarkozy said something like “enough with environmentalism” in a speech about agriculture
        4) Sarkozy said that climate has been changing before industrial revolution and we don’t know about much mankind contributes to climate change.
        5) and now he wants a CO2 import tax?

        COME ON! You don’t to be a mind reader to know the guy is full of air.

        “other countries are going to respond negatively when our aspiration to do them less harm – as they see it – changes.”

        France receives the air pollution of “green” Germany and its coal plants and its industry, in addition to its own local French air pollution. There is a very big pollution cloud around Germany.

        France’s EDF suffers from the predatory behavior of “green” energy producers, mostly in Germany. France’s milk producers suffer from the predatory behavior of “green” agriculture energy producers, mostly in Germany. There is a long list of market issues caused by ecoloon subsidies.

        This is a clear violation of the most fundamental principe of European Union: free trade with no market manipulation. The German energy transition is a massive fraud and legitimate producers suffer from it in Europe.

        We in France have enough of Germany’s arrogance. Esp. coming from a bigger CO2 emitter.

        What would Donald Trump do? I would go after the ones rigging the market.

        The damages caused by low energy prices on the European grid are well documented, it’s time to act and go after the market manipulators. At the same time, customers pay more and more for energy, obviously.

        It’s ridiculous that France, with its very low carbon electric production, would even consider CO2 reduction before other country try to come close.

        But now Sarkozy is out of the race, and he latest change of tune probably helped.

    • Put one hand up over your head if you’re annoyed by the French…

      Put BOTH hands up over your head if you ARE French!!!

  8. Hang on a minute… Wasn’t this the guy who came out as a skeptic a little while ago? Or am I thinking of some other former French president wanted to be re-elected?

    • “Wasn’t this the guy who came out as a skeptic a little while ago?”

      Yep. In the same interview, he can make an argument based on the “precautionary principle” (which is part of the ever changing French Constitution) and say we need to repeal that “principle”.

    • He is very Trump-like, he can say something one day and the opposite on the next day, just to get one more voice.

      • Sarkozy is famous for saying “enough with environmentalism” (in relation with agriculture), after he made the “Grenelle de l’environnement” which is codename for a big “trans-partisan” orgy of civil society (codename for leftist lobby groups) “negotiation” of inept enviro targets, such as huge reduction of use of agriculture pesticides, which are already strictly controlled: French farmer aren’t even allowed to use atrazine! or Gaucho, or Regent. And now “Ségo” (Ségolène Royal) wants to ban glyphosate!!! And neonic of course…

        Sarkozy as a President also created a CO2 tax that was voted by the “right” MPs then blocked by the CC (conseil constitutionnel) because only small businesses had to pay it – big businesses were covered by the (currently oversupplied) EU quota system.

        As a “right wing”, “economically ultra-liberal”, “neo-liberal” President, Nicolas Sarkozy invented many taxes.

  9. As long as it is applied to every imports and every exports it could be reasonable but to apply it to a particular country could be contrary to WTO. On the other hand, tracking the carbon emission of each product could just break the whole charade. The EU-27 committed reduction is limited to ” domestic emission”. The EU-27 strategy is to take the moral high ground by limiting their economic output to high value end products like watches, pharmaceuticals, etc but importing all the energy intensive materials and ignoring the emissions from the early stages of processing such as iron ore to steel. Just like the jet setting climate alarmists. This means letting the emissions in other countries like China, India and other developing countries smart enough to see the charade to increase and support the EU-27 position. At the same time given the highly advantageous deal, China and India could not help but go along with the charade. After 2030, China , India and those countries that took advantage of the exports of energy intensive products will demand passing the emission to the end user. In the post 2030 scenario, China and India could claim when pushed for real reduction will start claiming that more than 50 per cent of their emissions are for exports to EU-27 and should be added to the EU-27 emission inventory rather than in their national inventory.

    • “Domestic” here means “in the EU-area”. The EU-Commission cannot, however, force single countries to have a certain reduction-goal, not to speak of real, proved reductions. If the EU-goal is 100, but the sum of the individual goals is 60, nothing will happen – no fines, no crises – just some moaning and groaning.

  10. I like french cinema but I don’t watch the stinkers twice.

    Not an original thought but I beleive one which bears keeping in mind. The EU experiment in buerueacratic government has created an economically unsustainable and uncompetitive entity. To keep it functioning at all they need to spread their policies to thier competitors. Its why the UAW fights hardest for the first contract which sets the standard.

    Paris must be repudiated not only because it perpetuates bad science and policy but because it was not ratified by our Senate.

      • You wouldn’t if you saw her now. A fanatic green, animal protector anti everything and very wrangled skin.

    • Their nastiest export is deconstructionism which led to postmodernism. (I’m sure it was started as a practical joke by a French guy named Jacques Derrida.) The idea is that all knowledge, including science, is a social construct. It has infested our colleges and a generation of students. Alan Sokal pointed out how stupid the postmodernists are.

      Anyone who believes that the laws of physics are mere social conventions is invited to try transgressing those conventions from the windows of my apartment. I live on the twenty-first floor.

      If you think the average leftist is separated from reality, postmodernism may be to blame.

      • And over-abstraction in general. Valuing the idea of something over the thing itself. Valuing the searching over the finding. Valuing method over substance, the ideal over the real. Building beautiful castles in the sand and acting surprised when the tide washes them away.

        The progressives have little patience for mundane matters like the details or the possible unintended consequences. What matters is the noble goal! (And it’s ALWAYS a noble one.) It’s how they can maintain an intellectual love affair with socialism after history repeatedly proves it a bad idea. Because there’s no such thing as a bad progressive goal, only bad implementation. That no GOOD implementation could exist is a possibility never considered. Point that possibility out to them and you need to be educated (read: indoctrinated). Refute their claims and you’re using bad logic (read: any logical argument that doesn’t support the progressive narrative). The indignance on display will be immediate and venemous. You’ll go from acceptable company to a bad person who should be shunned so fast you’ll get whiplash.

      • The French deconstructionist philosphers are alleged to have said about capitalism

        “Its all very well to say it works in practice but it just does not work
        in theory”!!

      • “Its all very well to say it works in practice but it just does not work
        in theory”!!

        Yogi Berra said it best: “In Theory, there’s no difference between Practice and Theory. In Practice, there is.”

    • I don’t like movies. I did see a French movie I liked. Funny as hell. Some chap called Jack Tate.

      That was way back before way back machines.

      g

  11. This is a complete flip flop of Sarkozy’s recent trash talk of the global warming scam .
    Maybe he likes to play up to the anti -American sentiment to buy some votes . In 1945 that might have been a tough sell after France let Germany take over . Memories are apparently as short as Sarkozy .
    It’s a scam Mr.Sarkozy . Why not try to be on the right side of history for a change .
    I would be willing to bet most of the great people of France have long seen through one of the largest scams in history . Maybe that judgement is why he is no longer President and won’t be again .
    Leaders can’t lead following the crowd . Vive la France !

  12. His French economy is in deep trouble, right wing politicians are gaining ground and all he is worried about is a perfectly safe gas, co2, essential for life and plant growth.

  13. This is the economic suicide this Global Warming issue has always been for the US. We’ve allowed a group of misguided, arrogant, self-important, self-aggrandizing liberal professors and environmental groups to put the entire US Economy at risk.

      • Or an old fart …see 5 below.
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        1. a trumpet or the sound produced by one
        2. See the last trump
        verb
        3. (intransitive) to produce a sound upon or as if upon the trumpet
        4. (transitive) to proclaim or announce with or as if with a fanfare
        5. (intransitive) British slang to expel intestinal gas through the anus
        Collins English Dictionary. Copyright © Harper Collins Publishers
        Word origin of ‘trump’
        C13: from Old French trompe, from Old High German trumpa trumpet; compare trombone

      • He’s a bottom-cough?

        Actually, dare I say it, I rather LIKE the Trump.

        Fearfully Flawed, but a ‘serviceable finical rogue’

        KENT

        Fellow, I know thee.

        OSWALD

        What dost thou know me for?

        KENT

        A knave; a rascal; an eater of broken meats; a
        base, proud, shallow, beggarly, three-suited,
        hundred-pound, filthy, worsted-stocking knave; a
        lily-livered, action-taking knave, a whoreson,
        glass-gazing, super-serviceable finical rogue;
        one-trunk-inheriting slave; one that wouldst be a
        bawd, in way of good service, and art nothing but
        the composition of a knave, beggar, coward, pandar,
        and the son and heir of a mongrel bitch: one whom I
        will beat into clamorous whining, if thou deniest
        the least syllable of thy addition.
        =====================================
        Don’t hold back there, Shakespeare, tell it like it is…

  14. How the Germans roll. Wacker Chemie takes huge taxpayer incentives to open a polysilicone plant in Tennessee. This is an energy intensive process. Wacker supports solar and politicians who push it because the hope to sell the raw material to make the glass. The Wankers at Wacker get their green politicians to vote a bill that endemnifies Wacker if electric prices increase due to green policies.

    All true my friends. The Wacker wankers xxx have no shame.

  15. They’ll need Mutty Merkels permission won’t they? France owes us in UK anyway..for the prolonged loss and damage to trade at Calais with illegal immigrants. They also owe both the US and UK for the defeat of Germany in the world wars. Seems they forget stuff …very easily.

  16. Trade balance between EU and USA
    TOTAL 2015 US exports $271,988.3 EU exports $427,561.7 Balance in EU favour -$155,573.4
    So Donald will retaliate and the current balance favour EU. Sounds like an own goal to me.

  17. There’s a good chance that he won’t make it onto the ballot paper anyway. He is behind Alain Juppé in the contest to become the centre-right candidate for president. According to my daughter, who currently lives in Paris, he’s pretty unpopular. He also has several allegations of financial impropriety hanging over him.

  18. It kind of makes sense, why should EU put its own products in disadvantage due to its own carbon taxing?
    It’s pure economical move, nothing to do with global warming anymore.

    I wonder if they’ll consider carbon tax for China products, too. Although China did not cancel its participation on Paris agreement, it just ignores it.

  19. 1%?? Who cares? Let them charge it.

    The USA runs on 60 HZ AC power. France runs on 50 HZ power. All manufacturing machines in the US run 20% faster than the same manufacturing machines in Europe. It is a fundamental advantage and why the frequency is 60 instead of 50.

    Until someone decides the carbon ‘price’ should be $200 a ton it is not going to become more than a distraction. It will cost more than 1% to collect and administer such a tax, let alone evaluate what the level should be.

    It would be a tariff barrier. The WTO will be involved in a millisecond.

      • While it’s true that most outlets in the US are 110v, all our larger appliances and other energy intensive equipment is 220v. You just need an outlet with two ‘hot’ 110v lines, like the standard 4 prong appliance outlet (two hot, one neutral, one ground).

        I was surprised to learn standard European outlets were 240v, but I assume they run at a lower amperage then US ones. For instance, the standard US home wall outlet is 110v at 15 or 20 amps maximum (fused or brakered).

        Of course, this is just what you’d find in a home or average business. Actual factories often have equipment that runs on much higher voltages.

      • Breakered. You break a connection, as in breaking a branch into two parts. You don’t brake it, as in slowing down.

      • In the UK, outlets are 240v/ac, 13a. In Aus and NZ, 240v/ac, 10a. You can get outlets rated at 15a but I have seen them only in commercial buildings.

        “schitzree November 18, 2016 at 9:02 am”

        I didn’t know that, thanks.

    • The USA runs on 60 HZ AC power. France runs on 50 HZ power. All manufacturing machines in the US run 20% faster than the same manufacturing machines in Europe. It is a fundamental advantage and why the frequency is 60 instead of 50.

      I do hope that you are joking and dont actually believe that…

    • Well the speed of industrial machinery has nothing to do with line frequency. There might be a small economy in size and weight of magnetic components like motors and transformers.

      The 60 Hz is decidedly better than 50 for fluorescent light flicker, but there are plenty of ways around that.

      G

  20. you can have a go at Sarkozy all you like, but this sort of reaction is going to be widespread when Trump’s administration start going full on skeptic…

    The world did sign up to Paris, they do recognise the science and they do mean it.

    to a German Trump is completely crazy.

      • There are two completely incompatible viewpoints out there about climate and renewables, that’s for sure.

        Consider: one of the is mainly a US Republican, political viewpoint, not shared by most of the world.

      • Just because the rest of the world has been conned into believing things that are patently untrue, is not evidence that the US should join you in your lunacy.

      • Well Griff if you think climate reality is restricted to Republicans, you are quite wrong.
        People who just don’t buy the computer modeled view of climate, that isn’t even vaguely a model of a real rotating planet, and can’t be forced into agreement with what is actually instrumentally observed, cover every facet of US society. Poor and rich, ethnically diverse, every political stripe, and so on.

        Most Americans that I know, are seriously concerned about real environmental pollution, and support practical means of eliminating it.
        But they see that the green phantasy is little more than a convenient control knob on freedom, and they aren’t buying that guff any more.

        G

    • “they do recognise the science”

      No, they wouldn’t recognise science if it turned around and bit them in their arrogant French bums. This is an exercise in pure politics. Pricing the competition out of the market.

    • If mods allow, I will post here. I do need to apologize to Griff for some of my posts in reply to him, name calling etc, where he has been solid and not abusive to anyone. We do have opposing opinions, and that is OK.

      Maybe I have had a good week (I have) and in a good mood (I am), so in light of this, I apologize to you Griff for the disrespectful names and labels I have posted in reply to you. My only request to you is that you study the actual science and not what you read on biased websites. I did my research before the WWW, in libraries, with unadulterated “content” in books. It’s an eye opening experience, soon to be gone if Google have their way.

      • That’s very kind of you.

        for my part, I am conscious mine is an outsider viewpoint here and I do try to treat you all with respect and good humour, with that in mind… forgive me if sometimes I seem short, but I have limited time to read and post…

        Patrick, you will note I am at least reading the articles here and I frequently read (e.g) Jo Nova, Notrickszone and even Tony Heller – who I disagree strongly with mostly, but who this week had an insightful piece on public transport I definitely was on board with…

    • Come on Griff, you’re not even trying lately. Better step up your game before the Big Green docks your pay. :)

      • Well the fact that friend Griif even uses the term ” Climate Change ” indicates to me he hasn’t even though through what he is saying.

        The earth’s “Climate” covers a range of Temperatures that is at least 150 deg. C in its extremes, and is routinely at least 120 deg. C .

        And due to an argument by Galileo Galilei, EVERY possible Temperature between those extreme end points can be found some place on earth, in fact in an infinite number of places on earth. There are an infinite number of different lies you can draw between those two extreme temperature points, and all possible temperatures between those extremes will be found somewhere on every one of those lines.

        You can replace Temperature by any other measure of what Climate means, and get a very similar picture, and yet the global average has never gone outside the range of 12 deg. C to 22 deg. C in the last 600 million years.

        Yet my local “weather” temperature can easily change by twice that range over just a few days.

        “Climate Change ” is a grab bag used by those who have no idea what they are talking about.

        G

    • Hmm? Firstly, it is against WTO rules and is obviously just nonsense spouted from a moron.

      However, tell me one country in the World who would happily get into a trade war with the US? I know of only one who can and is stomaching it, but it is leaving an awfully bad taste and causing a case of the runs.

    • I wonder if Mercedes wants to sell even one more car in the USA?
      What do you think Griff?
      Boy I’m gonna miss that genuine French Champage, but the California Sparkling wines are actually quite good.
      What do you think Griff?
      Get my drift…..Griff?

      • Climate change is an important issue for countries other than the US

        I say again, that they are not going to accept the Trump/climate denial viewpoint and thus it has consequences in the way they react to the US and also that from the viewpoint of many of them, Trump’s climate stance is no different from someone who believes in chemtrails.

        you may think they are wrong, but realise there is now an obstacle to US relations with the rest of the world and massive damage to US credibility and reputation

      • @ Griff:
        Climate change, AGW, etc is a non issue except for those who profit from false scare mongering which should be familiar to you mind set. Look in a mirror and talk to yourself. And if you are so well read then admit that the climate has been changing since the beginning of time with out any influence from you nor I. The US economy is not dependent on other countries who simply want our tax dollar foreign aid. You are not in tune with reality. The rest of the world needs to be in tune with the US and our consumption economy and our protection. End of story. Cheers!

    • The world did sign up to Paris, they do recognise the science and they do mean it.

      The recognize the money 1st-world governments are going to give the bigwigs in the 3rd-world governments. The $22 trillion announced at Davos last year or the year before.

    • “to a German Trump is completely crazy.”

      I recall that they didn’t think much of FDR either. Not that Trump is FDR, but even though I’ve never been a big Trump fan, I realize I much prefer a President that the Germans think is crazy to one that the friggin’ Germans actually like. Same goes for the French.

    • Griff November 18, 2016 at 2:04 am:

      “…..to a German Trump is completely crazy.” If that is true Griff, it is coming from a country that gave us Adolf Hitler. Do yourself a favor Griff, and actually do some thinking before you post something like that.

      As was said in a post above, if all a “leader” does is follow the crowd, he/she is no leader. Trump, being a climate scare skeptic, will hopefully take the lead and show the crowd why the whole climate alarm narrative has been a costly fraud. When the day comes that the world finally understands that, you Griff will have to do some serious self-evaluation and try to understand why you allowed yourself to be had.

    • The US did not legally sign up for Paris, this requires an approval from congress according to the Constitution which protects us from Rogue Presidents. When are you going to acknowledge the President has no authority to enter such an agreement and anything the progressives and CAGW crowd says in not relevant material.
      Don’t lie to us again.

  21. Wait, wasn’t for the US that came up with this nonsense anyway? Why don’t EU leave the climate circus too?

  22. And how about we (Australians) tell the French to stick their crummy submarines where the sun doesn’t shine.

  23. And of course, Trump will put taxes on your products that will make your economy cease to exist.
    Any other bright ideas “Madame Sarkozy”?

  24. EU and Europe is infested with ‘magic thinking’ . Its enough to make you believe in chemtrails. By acting as if they are important and if the EU was important, in world terms, they hope to make the EU important, and they themselves with it.

    HOWEVER of course as soon as you say ‘I don’t believe in fairies’ – or the EU, whatever – no difference there – the whole edifice is in danger of collapsing.

    The EU is simply a haven for high achieving psychopaths with narcissistic personality disorders.

    “High-Conflict People, Borderlines, Narcissists, Persuasive Blamers—whatever you want to call them—are driven by 4 primary fears:

    – the fear of being ignored
    – the fear of being belittled (includes the fear of public exposure)
    – the fear of being abandoned
    – the fear of being dominated (includes the fear of losing control—control over you, control over money/assets) ”

    I have already noted the prevalence of beards in the Climate Change fraternity, beards are of course a display of masculinity in inadequates who dont believe they look the part without it.

    Fundamentally we can note signs of deep personality disorder and inadequacy across the whole spectrum of Left and Green politics.

    I will be approaching president Trump for funding to do a study on “Beards and Narcissism: The psychopathology of the Left”.

    The conclusions and executive summary are already written, but I need funding for the research. People who can draw graphs don’t come cheap.

      • Of course it is!
        The euro is the strongest currency in the world, backed as it is by the unparalleled economies of it’s constituent parts, such as Greece, Portugal Spain Latvia Poland etc., all of whom are sending large numbers of their people to the UK to help us attain their advanced economic status.
        We in the UK also marvel at the political power engendered by the armed forces of the wondrous EU which can spend less than 2% of GDP and yet achieve so much on the world stage.

    • ‘beards are of course a display of masculinity in inadequates who dont believe they look the part without it’

      . . . or I just don’t like shaving.

    • Well said. Maybe include the genetic defect aspect of constantly being scared of everything “right” in life. Living in Fear: Part I :) Hypothesis: Half the population is fearful. Since there exists a “no fear” gene, then there is a “fear” gene.

  25. If France wants to increase prices for the goods their citizens buy another 3%, have at it. Given the already-huge VAT taxes I don’t see that it’s likely to make a significant difference in purchasing habits.

  26. And if they do that the USA should impose a new tarrif on all imported European goods. Of course any tax on USA goods will cause an increase in the price that Europeans will have to pay to acquire such goods.

  27. Does this incredibly stupid man really think that Trump would stand by and allow French products into the U.S. without equal tariffs? There’s dumb, and then there’s really, really dumb. Dumb even for a French politician.

  28. so he just admitted that the Paris accord imposed a 1-3% drag on the EU economy … nice … that should help Trump ignore it …

  29. its just posturing in an attempt to scare the US into honoring Obama’s signature on the toilet paper known as the Paris Accord … and it would be easy to stay in the Paris accord and do nothing to implement it … it would years for the EU to decide that we aren’t honoring it and by that time their own citizens will want out of it themselves …

  30. I’m reading this while drinking my morning coffee, it’s seems taxes can have lasting consequences, not always those intended by the authorities.

  31. All the US needs to do is adopt the Italian Solution.

    Claim you are following the Paris protocol to the letter, even if people start producing evidence to the contrary. Basically, just lie through your teeth for as long as you can, then say: At this point, what difference does it make?

    Oh wait, maybe the election did go the wrong way after all!

  32. Will the French people be willing to pay higher prices for American products simply to satisfy their President’s personal anger with Americans over ‘climate change’? I think not.

  33. There is a simple solution to this nonsense. A law: Any state imposing a “Climate Tax” of any kind receives a US Tariff equal to said tax plus an amount equal to any damages to the US Economy plus administrative costs.

  34. All I can think is that Sarkozy is thrashing about trying for an issue, rather like the American Democrats and the UK Labour party. Outs never are that rational.

  35. This response has absolutely NOTHING to do with carbon or it’s effects. This is only about money and political revenge.
    Shame on you, France!

  36. Various groups in the US have proposed tarrifs on goods from countries that don’t have
    1) US environmental laws
    2) US labor laws
    3) US tax rates
    4) Any combination of the above.

    • “Various groups in the US have proposed tarrifs on goods from countries that don’t have”

      That’s a way to look at international trade, that can be reasonably discussed.

      But then, China has even less CO2 targets than The Donald, yet Sarko doesn’t want a CO2 tax on China imports. That cannot be reasonably discussed. Sarko does not make sense, period.

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  38. Ford has announced that small cars will not be made in Mexico and Apple will
    start to be made in the US.

    The Trump effect and he is not even in office yet.

    • The plant that Ford says it’s not going to move to Mexico, was never on the list of plants that might move to Mexico in the first place.

  39. US balance of trade for France specifically was US$18 billion in France’s favor last year and it looks to be about the same this year. Idiot French politician bloviating aside, the US’s economy is 7.5 times bigger than France’s so that $18B his is going to hurt them way more than it hurts us. Assuming of course that the US retaliates with a equal tariff on French goods. Does anyone doubt that Trump wouldn’t do that?

    But that won’t happen. Europeans in general are butt hurt that the US isn’t following them down their path of social democratic fiscal insanity. It’s better to ignore their hysterics, which will go by the wayside when Putin starts sending little green men into the Baltic states.

  40. Well maybe when they can keep companies like Volkswagen from cheating on their emissions with their cars we can consider taking them seriously on their threats. There isnt a thing we need out of Europe that we cant make here or buy elsewhere. Give it your best shot France. Oh I forgot you are pacifists, thats why we had to protect you twice in the last hundred years so you have a country.

  41. So simple, really.

    Dear France,

    We are compelled by your recent action to cease importing Wine, Clothing and Apparel, Perfume and Medical equipment. Thank you for understanding.

    The American People.

  42. (ps: we have plenty of wine from NY and CA (and the other 48 states). We have plenty of clothing – haute at that – from our Asian partners. We have plenty of perfume(s) (again) from Asia and other parts of the world. Indigenous, no less. Medical equipment is easily swapped for American made stuff. Its not like it MATTERS. GoatGuy)

  43. I wonder what will transpire when it becomes more widely known that CO2 has no significant effect on climate. Thermalization and the complete dominance of water vapor in reverse-thermalization explain why.

    Much of the warming, now countering global cooling, is from rising water vapor. The rising water vapor is nearly all from irrigation. Pumped irrigation is causing the water table to decline rapidly world wide. What happens when fresh water becomes scarce?

    • For the $1,000,000,000 wasted on Glo.Bull Warming, the world could have built a whole lotta desalination plants …

      • The cheapest method of desalination is by reverse osmosis but it still costs about 15 times as much as starting with no salt. Expect hydroponics to become more cost effective.

    • Or used to expand space travel and get programs for extra-planetary resource extraction underway. There’s a nigh inexhaustible supply of water ice in the outer rings of Saturn, if we stop navel-gazing about the Gore Bull Woe Man and actually start figuring out how to go get it.

      Or at least get started on building planetary-scale dehumidifiers.

  44. Nicholas Sarkozy’s threat is small, even if he were in a position to impose it, but I think he is just the first of many who will seek to punish Trump and the U.S. for not going along with the CAGW mass hysteria.

    I think we can expect very large demonstrations in the near future, both overseas and here in the United States, fighting against the Trump/U.S. position.

    The Democrats had several hundred thousand demonstrators in the streets in Wisconsin not long ago fighting against Gov. Scott Walker’s conservative reforms, so they can generate the crowds, if they want to. And they have radical Leftist billionaires funding the demonstrations, and there will be a lot of people who have been fooled into thinking their lives are in danger because of the Trump/U.S. position on CAGW, so the turnouts will be huge. There will literally be people out in the streets who think it is a life or death matter, and is imminent. So imagine how crazy they are going to be.

    And of course, the Leftwing Media will be in full attack mode. So get ready for a huge backlash over Trump’s refusal to back the Paris Accord. I wouldn’t be surprised to see former president Barack Obama leading some of these demonstrations.

    The good part is the human-caused global warming/climate change theory is going to get a YUGE airing before the public. And since we skeptics think we are on the right side of this issue, that’s just what we want.

    Trump will have to be strong on this one and hold his ground, because he is going to get furious pushback from the uninformed and their masters. We are going to have to help him all we can.

  45. In 2015 the US imported 80 billion dollars more of their good, then they did of ours. You have much, much, more to lose than we do. If we quit importing your stuff, a fourth of your economy just got shut down.

    Excuse me if I don’t lose any sleep.

  46. Europe wouldn’t care as long as Trump paid lip service to the Paris Agreement like they do. What they object to is outright dismissal of the agreement, even though it all ends up having the same result. But liberals like to maintain the illusion that spending other-peoples’ money combined with their good intentions are actually saving the planet even when they’re having no noticeable effect at all.

  47. ?? Plus le change …

    Sarkozy comes out of the closet as a climate skeptic
    Published: 15 Sep 2016 09:00 GMT+02:00

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    Presidential hopeful Nicolas Sarkozy reckons that climate change is not caused by man and that the world has far bigger problems on its hands than global warming.

    Nicolas Sarkozy, who is fighting to regain the presidency that he lost to François Hollande in 2012, has finally come out of the closet as a climate skeptic.

    Speaking in front of business leaders Sarkozy, a candidate for Les Republicains party primary in November, told them that man alone was not to blame for climate change.

    “Climate has been changing for four billion years,” the former president said according to AFP. “Sahara has become a desert, it isn’t because of industry. You need to be as arrogant as men are to believe we changed the climate.”

    Sarkozy has minimized the climate change in the past, but up until now he has never openly suggested that man was not to blame.

    It appears the ex-president has an all round grudge against climate change.

    The former president believes the world should be concentrating on the rise in the population and movement of people rather than worrying so much about global warming.

    “Never has the earth experienced such a demographic shock as it is about to, because in a few years there will be 11 billion of us. And man is directly responsible in this case but nobody talks about it,” Sarkozy said.

    Sarkozy was also angry at the amount of global media coverage given to the COP21 climate change conference in Paris last year, that was hailed a success not just for the future of the earth but for the Socialist government who helped force through an historic deal.

  48. Just for lead free solder in electronics the EU can disappear or turn into a radioactive wasteland inhabited by a few cannibal savages for all I care.
    The EU is the greatest threat to human freedom in existence today. It is a sugar trap to turn free people into serfs. An iron fist in a velvet glove.

    • Well, unless the JSF finally goes somewhere, and unless you are in love with “stealth” concept with all its issues (speed/power, fragility, weight, capacity…), the Dassault Rafale is a relativement affordable twin-engine fighter.

      And no, being French has no impact on my jugement. I wouldn’t recommend any military Airbus thing before we understand what’s going on there (which is frightening).

      Dassault = managed, designed, build France with imports = well managed
      Airbus = “Europe” (actually, a few countries in Europe) = a mess that has been going on for years

      Of course, the vagaries of French politics might be an issue.

  49. Hey France and Europe… you need us…. we don’t need you! Whatever tax you apply to our goods, we will double and apply to all your goods. We’ll just make trade deals with the UK and tell the rest of you jackwagons to go to hell.

  50. If USA pulls out of Paris, France will only be the start. All countries will take it upon themselves to apply non-trade tarriff barriers. It will be a huge invitation for all countries to pile in. No one should be surprised and there would be nothing WTO etc can do about it. Of course, another option might be to keep to the Paris agreement.

    • “All countries will take it upon themselves to apply non-trade tarriff barriers”

      Yeah, of course.

      They will, cause, well, they like to harm themselves and politicians want to lose elections.

  51. “Donald Trump said he would not meet – we’ll see if he takes this commitment – the conclusions of the Paris agreement on climate. Well I ask that Europe is adopting a carbon tax at the borders of Europe, a tax of 1 to 3% for all products that come from the United States if the United States is exempt from environmental rules, we impose on our businesses.”
    ______________________________________

    Sarkozy can’t imagine getting that doubled back; astounding.

  52. But I thought decarbonising your economy was not a cost, but a great opportunity! The only cost was to those Left Behind in the search for increasing penetration of windmills and EVs. Surely Sarkozy should be cheering TH US committing economic suicide by not levying a carbon tax?

    • You can’t say that Sarkozy is warming or cooling because you can’t define his temperature: when you measure it, it changes.

      Sarkozy cannot be observed or described. He is indefinite.

      And he forever lefted politics. (For the second time.)

  53. In the grand scheme of things France is an irrelevant market for US Products. Americans make the most money in the country with the largest market and that is still United States (11 Million consumers). Europe isn’t even in the Top 3.

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