The "long whimper" of failing climate alarmism

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Guest essay by Gary Pearse (elevated from a comment)

On the thread Yale University Closes Climate Change Institute longtime WUWT commenter Gary Pearse gave a synopsis of the anemic state of climate activism these days. As I published that article, I had thought to myself that the closing of this Yale Climate Institute signals a sea-change, one that has been long in coming. Gary cemented those thoughts, and I have reproduced his comments here with added links to his references in order to provide the perspective.


Gary Pearse

This is part of the long whimper. Climategate in 2009 and the “ridiculously resilient” Pause were pretty much the straws that cracked the climate’s back. The timing of both marked the beginning of the pandemic of chronic clinical depression that struck an unknown number of prominent climate scientists more than halfway through their careers that we don’t hear of anymore.

Many were Ozzies- for some odd reason more than half the climate industry is Australian -(CSIRO canned…wait for it…350 of them – more than three worlds’ worth for a science with one linear equation and a one chemical element to deal with). And they have an evermore increasingly ridiculous Climate Science Centre of Excellence that sticks out like the statue of Saddam’s thumb that you will recall got pushed over ignominiously.The commodore of the Ship of Fools who got stuck in the ice and pummeled by blizzards while studying the disastrous effects of global warming on Antarctica and had to be rescued by a Chinese helicopter (you can’t make this stuff up) got an award from the Centre of Excellence for this debacle. He ventured back into the limelight to do an encore without risking making a voyage, of course, to report the sad news of a large flock of Adelie Penguins having died leaving their sad remains all over the ice – these turned out to be the remains of birds mummified decades ago. A knowledgeable commentator advised us that it is normal to find dead chicks broken eggs and the mummified remains because there are no clean-up predators in Antarctica and they are quick frozen. McIntyre, who is a one man climate science paper killer will need help to finish off the job of cleaning out the thousands of worthless climate papers in the literature.

Joe Romm – gone. Real Climate hanging on like a foundering ship, Bill McKibben- gone in tears, Al Gore – sold his TV station to oil sheiks and makes only half-hearted appearances with his tattered “reality elixir show” on life support like the end days of Buffalo Bill. New York times shuts down its embarrassing global warming section and several other dying newspapers have done the same. James Lovelock, inventor of Gaia gracefully recanted his position, saying it was a way too overblown.

And those remaining? These are the ones with the most skin in the game and also those captive to their governments urging them on in this dead issue. They also have psychological issues I’m sure, evidenced by the reckless, ‘sauve qui peut’ (save what you can is a losing sides last order in a war) behavior of simply trashing the pause. They are giving their bosses their all and will be taking a comfortable retirement before Trump is inaugurated although their legacy won’t be something to dwell on.

A tide of change is coming from other university researchers that are emboldened to give ocean acidifcation a decent burial, resurrection of the Pause, good things about CO2 and some warmth etc. This is the long, slow death spiral of CAGW. Lamar’s Senate House investigation of the killing of the pause, the Shukla affair, etc. may wind it up.


I would like to add a few other little known factoids to the excellent list Gary created. Remember when Real Climate went dark? It’s because the parent environmental organization, Fenton Communications/EMS, that bankrolled RC went dark themselves in 2005, and eventually, RC got the hosting rug pulled out from under them as people and domain registered email addresses disappeared.

Oh but it doesn’t stop there, Fitzgibbon Media is no more, thanks to the founder who couldn’t keep it in his pants

Forecast the Facts & a bunch of other global warming campaigns … kaput. (h/t to Ryan Maue)

Speaking of not being able to “keep it in your pants” we end on this note with purveyor of “voodoo science”,  former railroad engineer, slutty potboiler novelist, and disgraced IPCC chairman Rajenda Pachauri, who got caught with sexual harrasment issues, and who has now been formally charged. Ironically, the list of charges span 1400 pages, which is about 1000 more than his autobiographical sex novel, but far more factual.

Good riddance.

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Martin A
March 5, 2016 12:27 am

“slutty potboiler novelist”
Smutty?

March 5, 2016 1:19 am

What a wonderful post! Looking at this all together has made my day, my week, my month. THANK YOU!
🙂

Greg
March 5, 2016 1:22 am

‘sauve qui peut’ (save what you can is a losing sides last order in a war)

qui means who, not what. So it’s “save [ himself ] who can”. It can best be translated as ‘every man for himself’.

Reply to  Greg
March 5, 2016 5:39 am

Greg, like all languages, when you get past 101 it gets more messy:
http://dictionary.reverso.net/french-english/qui
C’est la personne à qui j’ai parlé hier. It’s the person I spoke to yesterday., It’s the person whom I spoke to yesterday.
(chose, animal) that, which
Le tableau qui ornait l’entrée a disparu. The painting that was in the entrance hall has disappeared.
Donne-moi la veste qui est sur la chaise. Give me the jacket that’s on the chair.
qu’est-ce qui …? what …?
Qu’est-ce qui est sur la table? What’s on the table?

Phil Clarke
March 5, 2016 1:52 am

Erm, RealClimate is alive and well, continuing its focus on quality over quantity, Joe Romm’s last post was a few days ago, the UK Climate Change Act was passed by all but 5 MPs, 100% of professional science academies support the IPCC conclusions, the Paris agreement was, extraordinarily, passed unanimously by all countries, last year was the warmest on record at the surface and the ‘Pause’, last refuge of the scientific scoundrel, is dead.
Whimpering indeed.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Phil Clarke
March 5, 2016 5:57 am

Condolences. You are obviously in the first of the five stages of grief, on the the loss of your CAGW Belief. Find a local support group, as that can be helpful. Also, counseling is advisable.

Reply to  Phil Clarke
March 5, 2016 6:45 am

Baghdad Phil in da house! 🙂
Andrew

Janice Moore
Reply to  Bad Andrew
March 5, 2016 8:07 am

Ooo, THANK you, Andrew! That was my cue! 🙂
Baghdad Bob (I never get tired of this clip):

RealClimate is alive and well

lol. Okay. They are alive, at least.
So? To what avail — to be the butt of jokes!! lolololol
Poor Phil.

Reply to  Janice Moore
March 5, 2016 10:19 am

That’s a great clip. Next time I have to do a brief I’m going to fit it in somewhere. It’s a good cognitive dissonance ice breaker.

Harry Passfield
March 5, 2016 4:01 am

…more than half the climate industry is Australian -(CSIRO canned…wait for it…350 of them…

Ahh: 350.gon

co2islife
March 5, 2016 4:09 am

WASHINGTON — FitzGibbon Media, a prominent progressive public relations firm, abruptly shut down on Thursday amid allegations of sexual harassment and assault by the company’s president.
Trevor FitzGibbon and his team worked with some of the biggest progressive organizations, including NARAL, MoveOn, the Center for American Progress and the AFL-CIO, as well as Wikileaks, Chelsea Manning and The Intercept. The company sponsored an event with The Huffington Post earlier this year.
Multiple female employees came forward with accusations of sexual harassment and assault against FitzGibbon, according to employees who spoke with The Huffington Post.

The FitzGibbon link in the article no longer works. Here is one that works.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fitzgibbon-media_us_567330fce4b014efe0d4cb4e

pat
Reply to  co2islife
March 5, 2016 5:39 am

co2islife –
from page 2 of the following:
And yet more women are now coming forward: “Women keep reaching out to us with more creepy allegations about Trevor FitzGibbon. People who didn’t work at the firm,” tweeted HuffPo’s Terkel on Friday…
http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2015/12/fitzgibbon_media_shuts_down_over_sexual_assault_and_sexual_harassment_allegations.html
this was a cover story in Aug 2015 – well worth a read:
StyleWeekly, Richmond Va: The Fire Starter
Ferguson, WikiLeaks, the Confederate flag tumult: When a liberal milestone is about to spark headlines across the country, chances are Richmonder Trevor FitzGibbon is getting a call.
By Brent Baldwin
The clients are as wide-ranging as Amnesty International, Planned Parenthood, NARAL, MoveOn, the American Federation of Teachers, the Communication Workers of America, IFC Films, the Guardian, United Way and WikiLeaks…
Downs (Bertis Downs, manager and advisor for the band R.E.M.) says the band started working with FitzGibbon on environmental issues when he was in his early 20s…
After two years, FitzGibbon dropped out and moved to Philadelphia to begin knocking on doors for the state Public Interest Research Group as a door-to-door canvasser for the environment. The first time was to get a recycling bill passed…
FitzGibbon then moved to Seattle to help start the first Sierra Club canvas office…
While in the Northwest, he began working with Washington Wilderness Coalition to protect old-growth forests, at the same time forging connections in the political arena by working on campaigns for environmental candidates such as Democratic U.S. Sen. Patty Murray…
Still in his 20s, FitzGibbon, together with R.E.M. and Pearl Jam, wrote a letter to then Vice President Al Gore to request a sit-down, face-to-face meeting…
In 2008, FitzGibbon went to be a communications director for the Obama campaign during the New Mexico primary…
http://www.styleweekly.com/richmond/the-fire-starter/Content?oid=2233402

Reply to  co2islife
March 5, 2016 5:42 am

Bill Clinton is the progressive role model these days. These guys in higher places believe in “entitlement” in all its forms.

knr
March 5, 2016 4:24 am

Sorry but thanks to the ‘heads you lose tails I win’ approach these people have zombie like qualities. Worse given it is has never been about the facts you cannot even behead them by proving their science is BS. So down to some extent they may be, but they are a long way from out.

Bruce Cobb
March 5, 2016 4:46 am

“Here lies Manmade Global Warming,
Aka Climate Change, aka Extreme Weather.
The Debate Is Over.”

Marcus
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
March 5, 2016 4:52 am

..R.I.P….( Rest In Pieces )…I’m just…shattered ! LOL

Nigel S
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
March 5, 2016 7:45 am

‘My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!’
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.’

Jbird
March 5, 2016 5:15 am

I think “long whimper” is an appropriate characterization of what is happening. While many of us here can finally see the “light at the end of the tunnel,” unfortunately, it will still be awhile before we actually reach the end of the tunnel.

Reply to  Jbird
March 5, 2016 8:44 am

Why will it be awhile? It’s over… man controlling any planetary varible was a belief. It failed, THE END.

jbird
Reply to  Sparks
March 9, 2016 5:54 am

Of course. However, it may still be awhile before a substantial number of people catch up to where you are. AGW remains a superstition, and a lot of members of the human species are still superstitious creatures.

Russell
March 5, 2016 5:35 am

An EPA water expert, Miguel Del Toral, identified potential problems with Flint’s drinking water in February 2015, confirmed the suspicions in April and summarized the looming problem in a June internal EPA memo. The state decided in October to change Flint’s drinking water source from the corrosive Flint River back to the Detroit water system. EPA Region 5 Administrator Susan Hedman resigned over the matter for delaying the finding for 9 month.. You see the EPA were trying to make the Republican’s look responsible for this matter and a campaign issue but it backfired. the EPA should not be political bla bla bla.

Russell
Reply to  Russell
March 5, 2016 5:41 am

EPA Region 5 Administrator Susan Hedman.
Hedman had a long history in environmental law before coming to EPA. She served as environmental counsel to Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan (D). Hedman was Madigan’s chief negotiator for litigation and legislation on environmental issues.
Hedman also was a legal officer for the U.N. Security Council
ouncil

Marcus
Reply to  Russell
March 5, 2016 5:50 am

..Are you the REAL Russel or the FAKE Russel ??
RE: Russell
March 4, 2016 at 4:43 pm
Josh deserves to be clapped in irony irons and put an IKEA comfy chair.

Russell
March 5, 2016 5:53 am

Marcus PS what are you talking about. I’m the Russell from Montreal were it’s still – 12 c

Marcus
Reply to  Russell
March 5, 2016 6:07 am

…Russel Sietz @…….http://www.vvattsupwiththat.blogspot.ca/
uses ” Russel ” here too ( and on his fake WUWT page !

Marcus
Reply to  Marcus
March 5, 2016 6:08 am

..Oops…” Russell “

Unmentionable
March 5, 2016 6:05 am

And thus was the cautionary tale of the small-minded ego-troopers … self-appointed to save unrecoverable perfections … … lest we forget … … er … sorry … … what was I saying? … oh look! … there’s a pretty sunset! … ah … Gaia has tired the warming thing and it must rest now … so everyone say good night to the warming thing! … Good night warming-thing!! … we shall pine for thee! … … no … no … not really … … who were you again? … … oh, never mind … the bonfire of the vanities awaits … cya … wouldn’t want to be ya … mother Gaia is taking away the cookie jar … for it is written, wretches shalt not raid the cookie jar! … there’s this club … called science … and you’re not in it … just so you know … take away the confusion … put your mind at rest … cheerio!

March 5, 2016 7:02 am

The leftist politicians in Canada have not yet got the memo that the Lysenkoism of AGW has been shown to be a false religion and are pressing ahead with taxing the people to fund their snake oil.

Alx
March 5, 2016 7:39 am

Am I missing something. realclimate.org is still there and with recent postings.
A brief glance of the site and I already learned that staying below 2ºC is a huge challenge no one thinks would be easy and is probably impossible but what the hell lets try it anyways.
What the hell is right, they probably believe whatever happens they can cook the numbers to show a 2ºC increase or decrease depending on the narrative desired by the political winds of the time.

Marcus
Reply to  Alx
March 5, 2016 7:44 am

..Alx, you read it wrong . He said ” Hanging on by a thread ” , not gone….

eyesonu
March 5, 2016 9:56 am

So it looks like an ‘army of ones’ is defeating or has defeated the multi-government funded juggernaut of catastrophic global warming fear.
Gary Pearse has presented a tally of some of the casualties thus far. That ‘army of ones’ is growing daily and becoming focused on the targets/scammers. It’s game over in short time. Let the trials begin.
We are now beginning to see, in some cases, more organized forces marching for the truth. While the CAGW elite were declawed by an ‘army of ones’ that were persistent in a search for the truth, there is now only defeat with the arrival of what appears to be organized structures seeking the same demands for the truth. Again, let the trials begin. Offer no quarter as none was offered to those who questioned the sham-science. Confiscate the ill gotten gains of the perpetrators. Real science deserves justice.

John Robertson
Reply to  eyesonu
March 5, 2016 12:02 pm

Yup.
Retribution.
Either banishment to an Arctic Paradise or sweat them until they return the public treasure wasted by their greed or gullibility.
Simple observation, those who buy the CAGW meme, identify themselves as too easily gulled to hold public office.

evcricket
March 5, 2016 1:25 pm

Yes, I am frequently critical of the use of carbon as shorthand for CO2. Carbon pollution of course exists, in the form of particulate emissions from diesels and dust from coal mines, and these kill people, but they don’t heat the planet.
In any case, my criticism isn’t the simple mistake of saying element instead of compound. I expect that sort of lack of attention to detail here.
There are 6 gases that cause global warming. 6. And here are you clowns pretending that you know everything, while not even realising there are 5 other gases (some families) that cause global warming.
Clearly you haven’t even read any of the IPCC reports, this is in the very first chapter every time. Yet you criticise their contents.
This website is the most popular denial site in the world because you find it so comforting to not have confronting facts. No one here, particularly not the author, has a clue what they’re talking about, and you absolutely love it.

Reply to  evcricket
March 5, 2016 1:45 pm

evcricket says:
but they don’t heat the planet. ,,,There are 6 gases that cause global warming. 6. And here are you clowns pretending that you know everything…
Mr. Cricket, it appears that you don’t know much. Let me school you, because you desperately need it:
First, almost all the warming caused by CO2 happened in the first few dozen ppm. We’re now at 400 ppm, and global T has stopped rising for more than 18 years. The reason is mader clear in this graph:comment image
CO2 could rise by 20%, 30%, or 50% from here, and the warming effect would still be too minuscule to measure. The very recent rise in global T is due to El Nino, not to CO2.
Next, the only empirical evidence available shows that ∆CO2 follows ∆T:comment image
The easily duped climate alarmist crowd is getting all wound up over a rise in CO2 — over more than a century — of just one part in 10,000. But CO2 has been up to fifteen times higher in the past, without ever triggering runaway global warming — or any global warming most times.
As for you “6 gases”, only CO2 matters, because the “dangerous AGW” hoax is promoted to support the “carbon” scare. It is a political scare, not a scientific one. That’s why we constantly hear about ‘carbon footprints’ and similar nonsense from the lunatic fringe. They are the ones who don’t know the difference between an element and a compound.
Finally, this multiple award winning “Best Science” site has more traffic, and more knowledgeable commenters, than all the alarmist blogs in existence. They are undoubtedly where you get your misinformation from. But if you stick around here long eough, you will probably learn some real science. And one more thing: you don’t label people with a differnt point of view here as “deniers”, “denialists”, etc. That is plain ignorance speaking.

Reply to  dbstealey
March 5, 2016 1:53 pm

Stealey says: “and global T has stopped rising for more than 18 years.”

Nope.

Even the satellite data proves you wrong.
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If you have data that shows that global warming has stopped in the past 18 years, please post it.

Reply to  dbstealey
March 5, 2016 1:59 pm

Stealey says: “Finally, this multiple award winning “Best Science” site has more traffic, and more knowledgeable commenters, than all the alarmist blogs in existence”
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This is a logical fallacy.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

Marcus
Reply to  dbstealey
March 5, 2016 2:50 pm

..Christopher, the stupid is strong in you my son !!

Reply to  dbstealey
March 5, 2016 2:59 pm

Marcus, what is your point?

Do you even have one?

Reply to  dbstealey
March 5, 2016 3:43 pm

A logical fallacy? No, it’s a fact.

Janice Moore
Reply to  dbstealey
March 5, 2016 3:49 pm

Word-twister CK at 1:59pm (the post at 1:53pm isn’t worth replying to, for its refutation is common knowledge, now):
Your modus operandi on WUWT over the past months that I’ve noticed your presence is: MISCHARACTERIZE and ATTACK THE STRAWMAN — that is more than a mere fallacy, it is wicked. YOU SHOULD BE BANNED from a site that is about honest commenting and SCIENCE FACTS.
D. B. Stealey did not, as you falsely accuse him, appeal to authority — at — all. Here is what proves you to be a word-twister, D.B.’s stated reason for asserting the fact of WUWT’s popularity:

… if you stick around here long enough, {where the most knowledgeable commenters are in the greatest numbers on the web} you will probably learn some real science.

*****************************
Marcus is right. There is, though, of course, no point in trying to make CK see that.
all NOT CK readers: CK is that troll that posts also under a sheepskin something like “1oldwisen at Reagan something.com”. He is clearly a personality-disordered l1ar who loves to l1e and mischaracterize JUST FOR THE SPORT OF IT. He is SICKENING. The point of my saying that? So everyone can just scroll past his JUNK posts. Which is what I must do from now on! 🙂

Reply to  Janice Moore
March 5, 2016 4:10 pm

From a general interest pov, his moniker displays a style that is very prominent in real life discussions.
The style relies on attempting to establish a moral high ground that only they can occupy.
I hear it so often, I wonder whether it is an aberration in culture or a normal expression of what used to be called the generation gap.

Reply to  dbstealey
March 5, 2016 3:58 pm

Janice Moore says: “D. B. Stealey did not, as you falsely accuse him, appeal to authority”

You are correct, I did not accuse him of an appeal to authority.
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I suggest you read the link I posted to understand which logical fallacy he committed.

Hint: Stealy posted “greatest numbers” ….I think that proves me correct.

Additionally Janice, you post “Marcus is right.”

The problem with saying that is that Marcus did not make any point.
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Please tell us what “point” Marcus was making.

Reply to  Christopher Keating
March 5, 2016 4:13 pm

Harvard Hoodie
Flip flops
Skinny jeans
Hair bun
Drives a Prius
Can’t wait to show you his latest tofu meal.

Reply to  dbstealey
March 5, 2016 4:06 pm

Stealey posts: “A logical fallacy? No, it’s a fact.”

Tsk, tsk tsk junior, you seem to be lost in left field. I did not make any assertion with regards to the “popularity” of this site. Your fallacy is citing the popularity as “proof” of something

Again, please read the contents of this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum before digging the hole you are in deeper.

Reply to  dbstealey
March 5, 2016 4:17 pm

PS Janice Moore, when you post ” He is clearly a personality-disordered l1ar” you are obviously using the technique known as “name calling” (also known as ad-hominem) which instantly makes you loose the argument.

Reply to  dbstealey
March 5, 2016 9:26 pm

Well, indeed, it did pause for 18 years. Some warming from El Nino (not Carbon) this year might signal that the this period is over, but then again, an La Nina might carry it forward for more than 20 years. If I was walking to Philadelphia and I paused for 18 hours before I resumed, that doesn’t erase the pause, it merely defines the length of the pause. Don’t be stupid about the logic. You can be excused for not having a clue about science, but don’t be stupid about the logic which is available to all.

Reply to  evcricket
March 5, 2016 3:58 pm

Yes, frantic skeptics.
We patiently wait for the predictions to be accurate.

Reply to  evcricket
March 5, 2016 9:20 pm

evcricket, I assure you I know the difference between an element and a compound. But I have seen the original compound changed to the element carbon by devious ideologues you apparently don’t criticize. I actually studied paleoclimate as a geologist and am very well read on related subjects – I can recite the Periodic Table of the Elements by heart and understand chemical and physical behavior of the elements as a function of their location in it. Other posts on WUWT are presented by people who similarly have knowledge and skills beyond what you think possible. I and they knew the marksbrothers of the clime syndicate didn’t know what they were talking about as soon as it barfed forth.
Ignorance is comforting for many like yourself, but realize this: those who are putting this carp across deliberately make it their mission to make the masses comfortable with it. If the masses to which you belong would avail themselves of an education, this scam wouldn’t have lasted a day. Being knowledgeable is a lot harder work and requires more engagement than your class and political bent will ever realize. It is easier to just be led than to try to make an effort to even understand the rudiments of the issues. Even if your heroes were correct, it isn’t very exemplary of you to not trouble yourself about the subject. It is interesting and worth your while, but I assume you live the semi-medicated life of a witless self-satisfied useful idiot. I hope I haven’t insulted you.

March 5, 2016 4:22 pm

It just tortures Keating that his very thinly trafficked blog is way under the radar. That’s why he posts here — his own blog is unread by almost anyone.
It’s amusing to see Keating get so spun up by my comments. He’s my entourage! I like it when he bird-dogs my posts, impotently trying for soime advantage he will never find.
Keating fancies himself an expert on logical falloacies. Let’s discuss that. A while back Keating posted a bogus “challenge” that would require the payee to prove a negative; a logical fallacy if there ever was one.
Not too ethical, IMHO. I find it impossible to believe that Keating would have ever paid a dime, no matter what. That’s why he weasel-worded his bogus challenge like he did.
I also have to larf at anyone who comments: “I think that proves me correct.”
Well, I think you’re flat wrong, just like you’re flat wrong about your ‘dangerous manmade global warming’ nonsense. So there. heh

Reply to  dbstealey
March 5, 2016 4:31 pm

David, I have a blog
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Please post a link to yours.

Chris
Reply to  dbstealey
March 5, 2016 8:09 pm

dbstealey, the vast majority of climate scientists do not spend their time on blog sites. They are too busy conducting research, writing papers, or teaching. So you won’t see them here, or at least the vast majority. So using traffic to climate related blog sites as a proxy for who is winning the hearts and minds is incorrect. And the number of active skeptic posters on this site – I mean those that posts dozens of times per week – is relatively small. I would guess no more than 50 people at the most.
The other key point is that for a large percentage of AGW believers (I am referring to those who are not scientists), the science is settled, so they are not going to spend their time reading blog sites, or commenting.

Reply to  Chris
March 5, 2016 8:36 pm

Could be nothing, but in real life I’m noticing more casual conversation throwing doubt on climate change cheerleading as a disparaging reflection on an individuals intelligence …
It reminds me of backlash to government programs that push a theme. I see it mostly in the eye rolls of the teenagers.
Could be nothing but I also notice that they spend an awful lot of time searching thru twitter and skimming comments on their favorite news sources.
I wouldn’t underestimate the power of well run counterculture sites. Kids, ya know, they don’t like to be fed dogma. They like to find out that their parents were full of it.

Reply to  Chris
March 5, 2016 9:39 pm

Chris: Not one of your wonderful busty scientific folk fail to drop in here daily to see what is happening at WUWT. Doubt me? Follow up checking on their sites and you will see their twitters and comments on what they found on WUWT during their visit. You have no idea how naive you look measuring yourself up against knowledgeable and intelligent visitors to this site that you engage with. Believe me, your just coming here, though, puts you head and shoulders above the the rest of the useful idiots who don’t drop by. So that’s a plus for you.

thallstd
Reply to  Chris
March 6, 2016 5:26 am

To Chris’s point, I don’t think the vast majority of climate scientists have participated in or fallen for “the 97% consenseus” – ie they know the science for AGW is weak. They have little to gain from the distraction of blog participation.
The non-scientist “True Believers” however are quite active blog commenters – just not here for the most part. When time allows I’ll engage them on Media Matters, 350.org, Huffo or other lefty sites. Their argument is almost always an appeal to authority – the consensus and/or the endorsements of the consensus from NOAA, NASA, APS etc. But it seems like the numbers of them engaging have diminished as has their dogged defense of the IPCC. I find Donna Laframbroise to be an excellent source for exposing IPCC corruption.
There are a lot of knowlegable commenters here who I think could make a significant social impact by engaging more on the lefty sites. Not that it will sway the True Believers themselves, but I suspect there are many who lean left, read the commments and aren’t yet sure which side is right. Those are the people who might be convinced by some clear refutation of the “appeal to authority”.
Especially when the defender is as crass as k3v1n47 is in our current discussion thanks to a link someone posted a couple months ago to this arrogant and rude interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go33Llz8hFs

Reply to  Chris
March 6, 2016 12:52 pm

Gary Pearce is right on-target.
Chris says:
…the vast majority of climate scientists do not spend their time on blog sites.
Well, right there you’re wrong. Just about all of them check in here.
The ones Chris is referring to aren’t skeptics. And skeptics are the only honest kind of scientists. Skeptical scientists like this site. The rest of them — the ones who are not skeptics of ‘dangerous AGW’, and never were, are not honest scientists. They are promoting that Narrative for whatever their personal reasons; fame and fortune, job security, ethics-challenged, or whatever trumps their scientific skepticism. Honest scientists are skeptics, first and foremost. That’s the difference between alarmist scientists and honest scientists.
Without strong skepticism of scientific claims, honest science is undermined. Does it not concern Chris that after a century of searching, there is not a single empirical, testable, verified measurement quantifying the fraction of AGW, out of global warming from all sources? It seems to me there are just two possible reasons for that major failure:
Either AGW doesn’t exist, or it exists, but it is so tiny that it can’t be measured with current instruments; it is down in the noise. (I think AGW exists, but as a very minunscule, 3rd order forcing. Thus, AGW is a non-problem.)
And ‘thallstd’ is right on the money. I recall the first few years after this site started, when comments were almost all very rational, because the eco-lemming contingent hadn’t discovered it and decided to run interference here with their cut ‘n’ pasted nonsense from ‘realscience’ and other self-serving climate propaganda blogs. Those were constructive threads exploring the science of meteorology, metrology, physics, geology, and other hard sciences.
But now most of the the lemmings running interference don’t know the difference between science and Scientology. They make baseless assertions, and endless “appeal to authority” logical fallacies on one side, and name-calling on the other.
If the alarmist lemmings had ANY verifiable measurements of AGW, they would use those measurements to argue with, instead of their logical fallacies and pseudo-science. If they had made even one alarming prediction that ever came true, they would point to that. Instead, they call names, issue bogus ‘challenges’, and make baseless assertions pretending they’re facts. For rational folks, that shows they’ve lost the argument.
Honest skeptics ask: how many degrees of global warming have resulted from human CO2 emissions?” Because that is the basic debate. But alarmists hide out when someone asks for a specific, verifiable measurement, because they can’t produce any. What they want is for everyone to accept their assertions as facts and evidence. But science doesn’t work that way.
Thus, their CO2=cAGW conjecture fails. The whole runaway global warming scare is nothing but a giant head-fake, with no supporting measurements.

Langenbahn
March 6, 2016 1:36 pm

That picture of Pachauri makes me think of Rasputin from Don Bluth’s animated version of Anastasia.

pierre chagnon
March 7, 2016 8:53 am

CO2 is a molecule composed of 2 elements , and this God given molecule is responsible for all the beautiful greens we have on earth, so stop evilize it , please.

MP
March 10, 2016 7:33 pm

No amount of research or facts will stop the alarmists from claiming that we’re supposedly getting more hurricanes (we aren’t) and that they’re all getting stronger (they aren’t). Cyclone Winston demonstrated this perfectly:
http://themarcusreview.com/2016/02/23/can-every-cyclone-be-the-worst-ever/