The “long whimper” of failing climate alarmism

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Guest essay by Gary Pearse (elevated from a comment)

On the thread Yale University Closes Climate Change Institute longtime WUWT commenter Gary Pearse gave a synopsis of the anemic state of climate activism these days. As I published that article, I had thought to myself that the closing of this Yale Climate Institute signals a sea-change, one that has been long in coming. Gary cemented those thoughts, and I have reproduced his comments here with added links to his references in order to provide the perspective.


Gary Pearse

This is part of the long whimper. Climategate in 2009 and the “ridiculously resilient” Pause were pretty much the straws that cracked the climate’s back. The timing of both marked the beginning of the pandemic of chronic clinical depression that struck an unknown number of prominent climate scientists more than halfway through their careers that we don’t hear of anymore.

Many were Ozzies- for some odd reason more than half the climate industry is Australian -(CSIRO canned…wait for it…350 of them – more than three worlds’ worth for a science with one linear equation and a one chemical element to deal with). And they have an evermore increasingly ridiculous Climate Science Centre of Excellence that sticks out like the statue of Saddam’s thumb that you will recall got pushed over ignominiously.The commodore of the Ship of Fools who got stuck in the ice and pummeled by blizzards while studying the disastrous effects of global warming on Antarctica and had to be rescued by a Chinese helicopter (you can’t make this stuff up) got an award from the Centre of Excellence for this debacle. He ventured back into the limelight to do an encore without risking making a voyage, of course, to report the sad news of a large flock of Adelie Penguins having died leaving their sad remains all over the ice – these turned out to be the remains of birds mummified decades ago. A knowledgeable commentator advised us that it is normal to find dead chicks broken eggs and the mummified remains because there are no clean-up predators in Antarctica and they are quick frozen. McIntyre, who is a one man climate science paper killer will need help to finish off the job of cleaning out the thousands of worthless climate papers in the literature.

Joe Romm – gone. Real Climate hanging on like a foundering ship, Bill McKibben- gone in tears, Al Gore – sold his TV station to oil sheiks and makes only half-hearted appearances with his tattered “reality elixir show” on life support like the end days of Buffalo Bill. New York times shuts down its embarrassing global warming section and several other dying newspapers have done the same. James Lovelock, inventor of Gaia gracefully recanted his position, saying it was a way too overblown.

And those remaining? These are the ones with the most skin in the game and also those captive to their governments urging them on in this dead issue. They also have psychological issues I’m sure, evidenced by the reckless, ‘sauve qui peut’ (save what you can is a losing sides last order in a war) behavior of simply trashing the pause. They are giving their bosses their all and will be taking a comfortable retirement before Trump is inaugurated although their legacy won’t be something to dwell on.

A tide of change is coming from other university researchers that are emboldened to give ocean acidifcation a decent burial, resurrection of the Pause, good things about CO2 and some warmth etc. This is the long, slow death spiral of CAGW. Lamar’s Senate House investigation of the killing of the pause, the Shukla affair, etc. may wind it up.


I would like to add a few other little known factoids to the excellent list Gary created. Remember when Real Climate went dark? It’s because the parent environmental organization, Fenton Communications/EMS, that bankrolled RC went dark themselves in 2005, and eventually, RC got the hosting rug pulled out from under them as people and domain registered email addresses disappeared.

Oh but it doesn’t stop there, Fitzgibbon Media is no more, thanks to the founder who couldn’t keep it in his pants

Forecast the Facts & a bunch of other global warming campaigns … kaput. (h/t to Ryan Maue)

Speaking of not being able to “keep it in your pants” we end on this note with purveyor of “voodoo science”,  former railroad engineer, slutty potboiler novelist, and disgraced IPCC chairman Rajenda Pachauri, who got caught with sexual harrasment issues, and who has now been formally charged. Ironically, the list of charges span 1400 pages, which is about 1000 more than his autobiographical sex novel, but far more factual.

Good riddance.

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265 thoughts on “The “long whimper” of failing climate alarmism

  1. One chemical element? You guys have literally no idea what you are talking about do you.

    [Obviously, Gary misspoke and used the word “element” instead of “compound”. So Doug, do you have a point while glossing over all the other things while sticking your fingers in your ears and chanting la la la la la? – mod]

    • It’s policy based “science” and we have to find a much better Word for that? Hmmm… Marxscience?

    • It is one element CARBON, the whole thing is about carbon credits, carbon compounds, carbon footprint, everything CARBON … CO2 is just the most prominent poster child

      • Carbon Pollution Immune Deficiency (CPID).
        A creative class action attorney will use disparate impact to link high carbon pollution and unhealthiness.

        Will happen is they get another 8 years at the helm.

      • Furthermore, one chemical element could refer to CO2.

        el·e·ment
        ˈeləmənt
        noun
        1.
        a part or aspect of something abstract

        Solar variability is one element of the climate system.

      • I keep telling ’em that I’ll take as much of the nasty stuff (Carbon) as they can deliver – (truckloads even). The one small stipulation I have is that for purposes of compact storage (of course) that it must be in the most compact form possible the cubic Bravais lattice form of carbon.

        Thank you, I’ll just wait for the delivery trucks to arrive.

    • “Carbon” is how the CAGW crowd shortens their reference to CO2. So, yes, a single element. I don’t think Gary misspoke. They don’t call it carbon dioxide trading; they call it carbon trading. They say they want us to be “carbon-free”, not “carbon dioxide-free”. It’s a little thing but speaks to how easily, if they win the “debate” in the minds of all, they could expand that into control of other compounds with carbon in them.

    • It was my impression that The Movement (tissues on the wall…) had moved on from CO2 to deamonizing “Carbon Pollution” and “Carbon fuels” with “Carbon Credits” a “Carbon tax” and “Carbon Capture and sequestration”. That looks like one element to me.

      After all, they say nothing about dihydrogen oxide, so it can’t be the oxygen…

    • Hmmm. Well there are the MILLIONS of environmental activists and politicians that throw around the term Carbon instead of saying CO2. Carbon is an element, last time I looked. Last time I taught General Chemistry too, which was this week. Same idiots that wanted to ban the element Chlorine a few years ago.

    • Well they did change the compound to ‘Carbon’, probably because it is such a messy, obvious thing, better optics than invisible carbon dioxide that is greening the planet.

    • Actually, carbon has become the demonized element. Initially this was a simplified way to refer to both carbon dioxide and methane, but given the need to dumb-down the discussion, the alarmists themselves promoted carbon as evil.

      The reference to “one chemical element” is an ironic reference to the complaint by skeptics that alarmists avoid discussing the science.

      I assume that you did not understand this point because you do not follow the skeptical side of the discussion and I invite you to do so.

      My own perspective is from Quaternary studies especially climate change during the Holocene. My adviser, who was and may still be a member of INQUA, claimed that the null hypothesis for the modern warm period is that the warming represents recovery from the Little Ice Age.

      in my opinion, climate does fluctuate over decades and centuries, and greenhouse gases, such as carbon dioxide and methane do have some impact. However, water vapor is the dominant greenhouse gas and the most plausible factor in climate variability, both for cooling and warming.

      The role of cloud formation and variability in albedo is not nearly well enough defined to enable climatologists to assert that natural factors do not explain both warming and cooling episodes during the mid to late Holocene, including our own warming period. Yet this denial on the part of alarmists of the role of natural factors in climate change is a pillar of belief in catastrophic AGW. Basically, it is argumentum ad ignorantiam, an argument based on ignorance about how the climate system works.

      in science, admitting ignorance is the first essential step to knowledge. In developing public policy, ignorance should lead us to proceed with caution. in the spirit of Hippocrates, our precautionary principle should be, “Do no harm”. I interpret that to mean, “Don’t wreck our civilization by attacking its principle foundation: cheap energy”.

      • What is particularly horrible is, the 02 part of C02 us what we breath thanks to plant life on this planet!! Even more horrible is, the sequestered C atoms is what makes us physical entities, that is, all plants and animals use this Carbon element to exist. This is why many creatures eat these plants that use the C to grow and give us oxygen in return since they don’t need oxygen.

      • You really just said that plants don’t need oxygen? Of course they do! They must have it to live, to photosynthesise, to grow. They also produce it, and respire it, along with CO2.

    • So funny when someone posts a rant about something being wrong, and it turns out it wasn’t.

      Embarrassing.

    • [Obviously, Gary misspoke and used the word “element” instead of “compound”. So Doug, do you have a point while glossing over all the other things while sticking your fingers in your ears and chanting la la la la la? – mod]

      So what – every compound of molecules built around bad “C” atoms for the green belivers is just – an Element of Crime.

    • I myself find myself wanting to say “carbon” when I actually mean carbon dioxide. I cannot imagine where I could have picked that habit up if not from a million press releases, speeches , articles etc telling us we were all going to die.

    • One chemical element? You guys have literally no idea what you are talking about do you.

      I love how Progressives/Liberals form their arguments. They always attack spelling, grammar and sentence structure, and avoid the topic at hand. It is clear that most of their backgrounds are in literature, journalism or some other liberal arts, because they always seem to avoid the math and science issues.

      • Petty attacks are common to both sides of the fence. Wear an inappropriate shirt to the conservative club or have an accent that is not upper crust and watch the pettiness take form. It’s a common schoolyard technique.

    • “You guys have literally no idea what you are talking about…”

      And you have nothing to contribute.

      Carbon forms the key component for life on Earth, so as a carbon based life form pat yourself on the back and go eat a cookie while other carbon based life forms continue to address the myriad of issues with the science and politics of climate science.

    • Yes they never called their colourless, odourless plant fertilizer ‘oxygen pollution’ and always depicted their preferred ‘carbon pollution’ as steam coming out of power station chimneys, so the pedantry now is all the more laughable.

    • Mod, actually it is Doug who misspoke and Gary is right. Nobody talks about “carbon dioxide pollution”. They only talk about “carbon pollution”. That is 1 element.

    • evecricket
      One chemical element? You guys have literally no idea what you are talking about do you….

      Au contraire! That one chemical element is Carbon. The study of that one element and its compounds is called ‘Organic Chemistry’. The study of all the other 91 elements plus the trans Uranics and their compounds is Inorganic Chemistry. Despite its current vilification, Carbon is the sine qua non of all known life forms, hence the word Organic, or living. No life form has yet been observed in any of the Inorganic elements or their compounds.
      Pause for thought eh?

      • Well said Mike Macray: I am waiting for the day that the climateers say they want to ban CARBON. Then we ask them what the chemical formula is for cotton, wool, acrylics, polycarbonates, plastics, modern synthetic fibres (wood and fossil fuels); and then ask what asphalt is made of, bicycle tires, car tires, ad infinitum; and then ask how cement and steel are made; and how do you cut and manufacture carbon based products like trees say, without using a carbon based material or source of energy, including bio-fuels? We have a carbon cycle not unlike the “water cycle”. Dust to dust.

        Carbon is the fourth most abundant element in the Universe according to NASA.

        Maybe there is a silicon based life form out there, but it seems that there is a lot of Carbon, RNA, water, ice, and other interesting elements out in the Universe.

        The NASA article on the Carbon Cycle isn’t too bad other than the “alarmist” message. However, they clearly show we are near the top of a warming cycle.

        They also say we are 30,000 years from the onset of the next ice age.

        When will the cooling start? 10 years or 10,000 years? Not really an issue as looking at a geological time frame most of us won’t be around when it gets nasty cold and those that are will adapt. The “Climate Refugees” may all be going south as it happens.

        http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/CarbonCycle/

        (The bias in this 2011 article is interesting – nicely nuanced propaganda.)

    • Actually, “element” fits rather well these days. Here in Canada we are facing a national tax on “carbon.” Of course Trudeau means “carbon dioxide,” just as Obama does, but they prefer the elemental term–it sounds so much more . . . dirty.

    • Liberalism, as the term is currently used, IS madness. It involves the abandonment of science, norms, morals, laws, rules, reason, logic, and standards, in favor of the self-will of the putative “liberal” and his fellow spittle-spewing “free-thinkers.”

      • No, a few extremists use liberalism to madness. Let’s not confuse the actions of a few extremists with the philosophy as a whole.

      • Classical liberals have been replaced by Progressives which are Socialists/Communists in all but name. Classical liberals were all about personal freedom. Now they’re all about statism.

      • “Liberal” originally meant “generous”. It is fine, as long as you are generous with your own money. It is when one start being generous with MY money that I start to steam. And it is when one is generous with my money to people I think could use, and be better served by, a swift kick in the pants, that the steam starts to whistle.

        I don’t recommend this, but the best test (of how Liberal a person is) is to yourself be down and out. All the fair-weather-friends flee. Funny thing is: they were so, so LIBERAL, when you were buying the beers.

        I thank God for the real Liberals, who are scarce as hen’s teeth, and almost never advertise how truly Liberal they are, (and who, at times, are Liberal not with money, but with tough love.)

      • “Liberalism” as used in the USA to mean something entirely different from its use elsewhere in the English-speaking world. “Conservatism” also seems to mean something different.

        Neither of these terms means the same in European languages as in English of any dialect.

      • BrianBL says

        “Socialists/Communists in all but name. ”

        Yes I never did trust Margaret Thatcher or G W Bush….

        or perhaps BrianBL is a ‘pinko’ himself

      • ‘When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’

        This is how the terms “liberal,” “socialist,” and “communist” have come to be used. It has become totally pointless to argue about their meaning. That’s a sad state of affairs, of course.

      • BrianBL says- Classical liberals have been replaced by Progressives..

        Wash your mouth out. Progressive is a euphemism for the Eternally Restless and its associated Attention Deficit Disorder malaise. These sufferers are never happy with themselves and their situation which is understandable under the circumstances. If we’re not all to suffer externalities from their affliction then strong medication to allay their symptoms is the only answer until we discover a cure.

  2. we end on this note with …, slutty potboiler novelist, … Rajenda Pachauri, …

    IMHO, you’re not going to generate much outrage over Pachauri’s novel among a population which believe Miley Cyrus is an artist.

    • IMHO, you’re not going to generate much outrage over Pachauri’s novel among a population which believe Miley Cyrus is an artist.

      *********************************************************************************************************
      Never heard of him, what’s he painted?

      SteveT :-)

  3. Out west, Oregon has not gotten the message.

    “The US state of Oregon has become the first to vote for a complete ban on coal-generated power. By 2035, at the latest, the state’s utility companies must ensure none of the electricity they provide comes from coal.

    “And, by 2040, at least half of the state’s energy must come from renewable resources, under the Clean Energy and Coal Transition Act, voted into law by the country’s legislature yesterday.”

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2079541-oregon-becomes-the-first-us-state-to-vote-to-go-coal-free/?utm_source=NSNS&utm_medium=SOC&utm_campaign=hoot&cmpid=SOC|NSNS|2016-GLOBAL-hoot

    • And by 2042 my youngest daughter, who is brutally ruthless when it comes to money, will be buying up large tracts of Oregon at pennies on the dollar, and evicting the hippies, ex-hippies, and next generation of wannabe hippies

    • Easy enough…Just sever ALL transmission lines entering the State that are connected to the Grid which IS tied into Coal

      • Tasmania, Australia mainly hydro powered, currently running out of water a) because they exported to much power to maximise profit and used too much water b) environmental activists stopped them building required dam capacity decades ago. So up until recently they had slowed hydro usage and imported power from brown coal burning Victoria. Now the undersea cable is kaput and will take months to localise and repair, with flow on resurrection of a mothballed gas turbine generator and importation of mega diesel generators to supplement the grid. You cant make this stuff up. The environmentalists would still fluff themselves up and say what a great job done.

      • response to YARPOS
        you forgot to mention they forced the draining of Lake pedder..woulda been a backup for times like now
        gee thank bob brown n buddies.
        idiots.

    • Before people get the wrong impression of Oregon, we need to remind that they enjoy an overabundance of hydro power that was paid for by Federal development funding. They are also emboldened in other policy formation by a tailwind of in-migration that other states don’t have. The no-growth population of VT for example is not in a position for many experiments, especially like the failed single payer health plan that blew up in their collective faces.

    • It’s even more ironic than you think. The Pacific NW has been awash (no pun) with cheap electricity for nearly 100 years from hydroelectric dams on a river which flows right through Oregon’s largest metro area. Yet abundant, cheap, clean, “carbon free” [sic] hydroelectric power ain’t considered “renewable” and won’t count as such under the CECTA!

    • They will just increase the amount of wood they burn. Move on from wood scrap, bark, chips and over to wood pellets etc.

      • Can’t burn because of temp inversions and resulting air pollution (not CO2). Wood stoves must be licensed, tested and certified – and as a result are $4-5,000 each.

      • and NW sage…homeowners insurance for HUD loans actively discourage use of wood for heat. They don’t even like it if you have a fireplace in your home at all unless it operates with Natural gas or LPG.

      • @NW Sage @ fossilsage, Then how does Kettle Falls WA get away with burning wood for their electric power plant? Visited a friend their several time in the last few years and you could clearly smell; the wood burning. When I asked my friend about the obvious fact they were burning wood as we drove by the plant (as I too had the impression burning wood was a no-no) he claimed that it was just one of many around WA – “It is CO2 neutral, thus the love it.”

      • usurbrain: remember all those old bee hive wood waste burning facilities you used to see around sawmills and log processing operations? The forestry companies figured out co-generatiion and power generation from wood waste decade ago. Kettle Falls used to have some of the biggest bee hive waste burners I ever remember seeing. Now they generate power and scrub the flue gas. Much improved from what it used to be like. You could see the flames from the burners for miles back in the 50’s and 60’s. Now you see steam.

        If I recall, there were some interesting weather stations at Kettle Falls. There is one about 2 km south of the power plant on Lion Island next to the Columbia River. It is an Agri-Met site. There used to be a station closer to the plant if I recall but I can’t seem to find it now (not on NOAA list). It gets very hot there in summer – over 100 F – but lots of forestry in the surrounding mountains.

        The power plant is at the Boise Cascade mill and has been operating since 1983.
        https://www.avistautilities.com/inside/resources/kettlefalls/Pages/default.aspx
        http://www.usbr.gov/pn/agrimet/agrimetmap/kflwda.html
        This is the station that appears to be used in local forecasts presumably verified by NOAA stations nearby such as at Colville.

        Interesting aside, but I believe a couple of the old discontinued stations are at the bottom of the Columbia River as a result of the building of the Grand Coulee Dam (Ferry and Marcus). I think GC is the largest hydro-electric power producer in the US.

    • There won’t be a data center left in the state if they take the more studly position of removing all fossil fuel generation. As crazy as Oregon is even they know this is not on the radar. It isn’t a major decision to stop using coal – it is suicide to stop using fossil fuel and they know it.

    • I live in Portland, Oregon. We don’t have just one set of loonies here we have several. They compete for office. Out with the old loony in with the new loony.

      Once there was a huge campaign to save the trees so paper bags in supermarkets were banned. They went to plastic. We had that for a while till a new set of loonies took office. PLASTIC BAGS ARE CARBON BASED AND DON’T DISINTEGRATE! They banned plastic and we went back to paper bags. There is a group that wants to ban both and only allow customer owned reusable bags. The supermarkets would no longer provide bags.

      Portland now has an “art tax” — the people taxed to support government approved art. The most famous (infamous?) piece of art in Portland is called “Portlandia”, the second largest copper hammered statue in the US. Its of a woman in classical dress kneeling, trident in one hand and the other hand reaching down towards the street below. It is a couple stories up on a building on a street lined on both sides with other tall buildings. Below the statue are some tall street trees. So you walk across to the sidewalk on the opposite side of the street (forty five feet?) and look up and all you see are treetops. The statue is totally invisible from street level. Even if the trees were cut down (Heaven forbid! This is Portland!) the upward slant of viewing would make the statue unappreciable. Several offices in buildings across from it must have a nice view of it, I admit. That statue is 30 years old and Portland has left classical behind. Our brave new art world is gearing up. I have no doubt windmill art is in our future.

      Portland is the place where the city built a huge wall of solar panels — fixed in direction — that happen to face almost angled away from the sun’s path. It was best use of the land space to cram the most solar panels in. That they don’t face the sun was, obviously, not important.

      Portland is the place of light rail (the crown jewel of the environmentalists) and a bus system run by the same agency. The buses make money. The light rail loses it in great gobs. Every year there is a budget shortfall and they cut more money making bus lines. That’s called liberal finance.

      Portland has a great public library system. It use to be financed by the city. City runs short of money so what do they do? Cut any of their wingding programs? No, this is Portland. They look at Portland’s beloved library and realize that if they drop the library system from the budget they can keep all their wingding programs. So they declare that the library system will no longer be funded by the city but every three years a special levy will be placed on the ballot to fund the library system. Vote Yes and keep your library. Vote No and the libraries close. In a strange way you have to admire such underhandedness. They kept all their wingding programs and found a way to raise everybody’s taxes without seeming to do it themselves — after all, none of the levy goes into the city budget, all directly to the library.

      Eugene WR Gallun

  4. …But we still have a President and Secretary of State in the U.S. who doggedly pursue the idea that AGW is going to destroy our world in less than another generation. And Google has their unrelenting climate change headlines and stories in their Google News section. Then we have presidential hopefuls, one of whom might indeed be elected, and they mention time and time again that human-caused global warming will be on the top of their agenda if the voters put them in charge.

    • True. But, Obama and Kerry will be gone in January, and Hillary is like to be indicted before the convention. Evidence: 1. Her server had emails that are born classified by executive order. No secret stamp necessary. Clear criminal violations on knew or should have known grounds. 2. 3 Justice insiders told Fox News Comey has expanded the FBI investigation from national security law violations to political corruption (State under Hillary, foreign entities, and Clinton Foundation transactions). That only makes sense if the FBI has accessed private emails because the server was not wiped. 3. Bloomberg reported that another Justice insider confirmed the FBI has accessed at least some of the private emails. 4. WaPo reported yesterday that the guy who set up and ran her system, who previously pled the 5th, has been granted immunity. That only happens if there are probable crimes, and the ‘immunized’ little fish lead to catching the criminal big fish. 5. A former federal prosecutor who knows Comey well has said on national TV that Comey is a straight arrow. If his FBI finds wrongdoing, and there is political influence to suppress it, he will resign and go public with the reasons. Shades of the Watergate Saturday Night Massacre.
      I laid in an extra supply of popcorn already.

      • “… extra supply of popcorn already.” I’ve got the butter – someone bring salt.!

      • Having worked for the government with a TS Clearance and knowing the rules in and out, as everyone is briefed again and again, every single year, about handling “sensitive”, “secret” and “top secret” communication…thiis one is just stupid. You can classify things after the fact…because they can be a bread crumb trail from something newly discovered with new intelligence or fill in something that was missing.

        But that is NOT what my post was about. It was on-topic about the possibility of having another AGW president who drank the Climate change Koolaid.based upon bad science. I am not into the politics of Cllinton emails and the very, very incompetent FBI, who I worked with for years.

      • …,and for anyone who wants to know how to classify something that was previously unclassified….when I worked at Loral in the 1980s, we were creating downlink telemetry data computers and monitoring sensors, and other data from aircraft and satellites. Boeing sent us these big binders with specifications in them for all the things we were monitoring. I worked with about 50 engineers that all had the same binder with the same specifications and parameters we were supposed to monitor.

        One day, guys in black suits showed up and made us take all the binders to the central conference room.
        We had possession of that information for almost a year.

        The men were in the conference room with razor knives and rulers and literally cut-out words on MANY pages and were doing it for hours and hours until the end of the day. Then they gave us the binders back…with some pages that looked like swiss cheese.

        What they cut out (rather than just black-out or exchange the binders, where we already had scribbled technical notes on many pages) the emn cut out words which could identify a certain black box and data coming from the B1 bomber. Most of us didn’t have any security clearances because our job was to collect data from fast flying objects…we didn’t care what the data was.

        So, since we all knew what the words were that they removed. Does that mean I could get indicted for knowing classified information about a system that they now deemed secret. Duh. Same for Clinton.

      • Mike,

        A lot of the documents sent were already classified secret. And Hillary is on record telling people to remove the classified heading and then send them. And the content of a lot of the emails was classified info lifted from classified documents.

        So if a spy just copies out classified information from a classified document and sends it to China he is not guilty of anything because he didn’t send the original classified document but just its important classified content? Duh!

        Eugene WR Gallun

      • ristivan: I hope you are right but to me it looks more and more likely Putin will be telling a woman President of the US which places she should or should not travel to or interfere with. Obama will pardon Hillary or Hillary will pardon Hillary. I don’t think the DOJ and FBI will stand up to the Dem Oligarchy and the Repubs are too busy self destructing to matter.

        Mike below has it right.

        Almost depressing. Time to put a log on the fire and go get some fresh air.

    • Google has always amazed me with their climate change headlines also. Does Google know how to google?

    • Wow. Like I said. I know the procedures and worked as a TS clearnace person. I doubt that people who went off-topic on my post have any understanding of how classified docs work.

      Geez and double “Duh”

  5. The Guardian And SkS still peddle their wares to the gullible and fearful.

    It’s not over yet.

      • Reading the Washington Times article:

        It says that engine room cooling water intake temperatures as recorded can be warmer than the real temperature due to the ship warming the water.
        I can say that this is BS.
        If the vessel is moving at 10 kts; and if the temperature is taken at the engine cooling water intake just a foot or so inside the shell plating, the temperature recorded is that of the sea outside.

        However how that thermometer is calibrated and whether the depth under the sea surface of the intake is taken into account when these readings are used scientifically is a totally different question.

        FYI I served as a deck officer on several Weather Recording Ships during the 1960s and know how the system worked, including where the warts were.

      • Oldseadog: Are the temperature sensors actually placed close to the shell plating as opposed to, say, near the actual engine? I just can’t see an engineer saying “Let’s run this critical engine monitoring sensor away from the engine and put it over there, 20 feet away, through a special one-off conduit.”

      • Go, get ’em, Ol’ Seadog with your real world observations.

        @ Rox — You don’t know many engineers, do you. MOST of them are sticklers for accurate data and excellence. They are not known for their slovenly, lackadaisal, approach to ANYTHING.

        @ RWTurner, really. Then provide some (documentation). And Karl, et. al. or any of that ilk’s conclusions will NOT fly, here.

      • Janice: As an engineer that has put lots of temperature and pressure gauges into systems, I would have thought the location of the temperature gauges would depend on their purpose. OSD can comment, but in my line of work, I put through wall sensors in a number of places where I was wanting to measure what was on the other side whether it be pipes or reservoirs. Through hull sensors are unnecessary but it makes me curious.

        I do have a question for OSD – are the temperature sensors on the sea water intakes designed to measure the sea temperature or to measure pre cooling and post cooling circulation to determine the effectiveness of the heat exchangers? Are they purpose built for one or the other and does it affect where the sensors are placed?

        I have a water to water heat exchanger in my mechanical room fed by two wells. In the winter it produces both in floor heating for my house and shop as well as domestic hot water. I have 18 thermometers and 5 pressure gauges as I monitor different loops, production and waste water to my fish pond and different parts of the systems run at different pressures. (and I have some remote temperature monitoring as well so 25 + temperature measurements that let me optimize where I want heat and to make sure everything is working even when I am away from the farm (Internet). It seems like a lot, but it isn’t if you want to have preventative maintenance and optimization of the systems (inexpensive and interesting).

        OSD can comment, but having also done water temperature monitoring in my work, I would have thought if there were two purposes (measuring sea water temperature and engine intake temperature) there would have been two gauges (well lots more than that depending on the ship size and design as there are other things to measure) and thermowells are relatively inexpensive. Maybe not required, but when not using purpose built monitoring, then there must be some kind of calibration adjustment.

        Or there is always the tried and true method of putting one’s hand on the intake and outlet to determine it anything is happening. ;-)

        OSD or others can clear things up for me I am sure.
        http://www.brighthubengineering.com/marine-engines-machinery/41043-procedure-of-sw-pump-sea-chest-cleaning/
        http://marinediesels.info/Basics/cooling_the_engine.htm

    • It will never be over, the hominid imagination is too influential.

      The alarmists have a good narrative, it’s not about reality, it’s about saving the world, comparable to the Christian narrative, where the characters, as they are presented in the Bible, are fictions, and represent the divine on earth. Metaphor is significant in a symbolic relationship.

      This debate has legs.

    • And the CBC is doing a fine propaganda job as evidenced by the folly that is our current Canadian government.

    • Most peeps here think it is the loud “greenies” that are controlling this game. Tell them it’s good ol’ capitalism actually, they go nuts–or just cannot see it.

      Al Gore is still at Kleiner Perkins so that means there is enough money to be made on the state/province offset trading scams. Then there is the possibility the EPA rams through trading as a “regulation” for the outgoing administration to reap back end payoffs in 2017.

      So, they haven’t moved. And no new “Q” dollar inflation scam is in sight either.

      • Green capitalist is NOT a conflicting phrase.

        And yes, I don’t see the juice being squeezed out of CAGW fruit just yet. I do however see a separation of paths. A splintering if you will.

        It will become sexy to be cagw skeptical pretty soon … esp if the GOP gets elected. Defectors making sure those pictures of them in Paris are wiped off the internet.

        Alt energy will stay sexy for much longer because it’s got a cooler vibe attached. They’ll be alot of “yeah, CAGW was BS and we kind of knew it but clean air, water and independence from the man is where it’s at … we went along with the alarmists because they had their hearts in the right place. Now that they have been shown to be fraudulent shouldn’t distract from this really cool solar roof that you can have installed with your NEW microhome. If you buy now well throw in a new model electric car”.

        The splintering will create money making opportunities and the people will be occupied fighting over whatever new direction the money goes.

        It just seems natural. CAGW was the wedge issue that shifted the stasis on fossil fuels.

  6. Thanks. Book marked. Many of the observations also make good political sound bites.
    The famous Munch painting The Scream captures warmunist angst, but it is still an open question whether this all ends with a bang or a whimper. UK’s failing electricity situation might provide Oregon a ‘bangish’ object lesson. Resumption of pause next year definitely would be bangish. Congress finding the Karl whistleblowers were right, very bangish. Cooling starts and MSM goes back to 70’s ice age worries, big bangish. Tulip bulb mania bangish.
    But it is more likely it all just whimpers away. Too many global warming careers and other vested interests.

      • Portrait of Climate “Scientist” taken from photo taken upon his reading Anthony Watts’ analysis of USHCN surface temperature stations (and put into a time machine and taken back to Edvard Munch). lolololol

    • Yes but I think he was referring the the “Climate Progress identity” which is in fact gone from its former setup.

  7. Inch by inch, row by row, I’m gonna kill this climate change. All it takes is a WUWT et al and exemplary science. Inch by inch, row by row, someone bless these people now.

    Regards
    Climate Heretic
    PS Apologies to Peter, Paul and Mary

  8. Long whimper is exactly how I see it. Also, the part about the “last orders in a losing war” is also most relevant for students of history and its details. It was the sad east European conscripts that were left to do the dirty work in the long retreat toward Berlin on the eastern front of WW2. Their hearts were not into it at any point. And the German youth squads were unleashed on other fronts but with limited skills and experience, other than indoctrination and fervor. History also tends to brush over the details of who profited from the losing wars, like the Swiss bankers and the neutral countries that had the least damage and least resolve.
    .

    • who profited from the losing wars, like … countries that had the least damage

      I once heard the theory that the Brits would have been better off if Germany had done a better job of bombing them. The idea was that the Germans had to rebuild all their factories using the latest technology whereas the British were able to continue with their outdated factories.

      • When Triumph Motorcycles was taken over by John Bloor in the 1980s, they were still using some pre-WW2 machinery. This included a machine that had a casting that had been welded back together after being broken in half during the Coventry bombing. Of course the British motorcycle industry was a bit of a special case in that, after a short burst of innovation after the war, it very much stagnated.

  9. Gary Pearse did not say that AGW forces had been completely eliminated, only that they are, and they are, in retreat, launching junk science duds from the extreme fringes of the battlefield, shrieking to be heard. Those who are posting examples here of AGWers feebly fighting on do not disprove Mr. Pearse’s nicely-expressed conclusion.

    And, knute, take heart! Big money is leaving the wind turbine market…. Big Wind doesn’t get any bigger than it is in the Nordic lands:

    Investors are pulling back from wind farms in Nordic nations as the lowest electricity prices in 12 years cut the profitability of new projects.

    No wind farms were commissioned in Sweden in the second quarter, compared to 50 megawatts in the same period a year earlier, according to the nation’s wind association. Investment in utility-scale Nordic wind assets fell 76 percent to $1.2 billion in the three years through 2014, according to data from Bloomberg New Energy Finance. ..

    (Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-04/wind-farm-investment-plunges-with-power-prices-in-nordic-region )

    And in other lands, such as the U.K., Germany, and the U.S., tax subsidies are likely to disappear before long. For example,

    The Government has confirmed it will end subsidies for onshore wind energy in April 2016, a year earlier than planned.

    (Source: http://www.greenwisebusiness.co.uk/news/onshore-wind-subsidies-to-end-from-april-2016-4623.aspx#.Vtn4wv32aM8 )

    Follow –> the –> money. Money is looking down Windmill Lane and it does NOT like what it sees… so, it will go somewhere else. Money may not be pretty, but it is very careful:

    … Thomas Wrangdahl, first vice-president and head of lending at the Nordic Investment Bank, said in a telephone interview. “We are seeing less investments in new power production in the market, particularly in the wind industry, … .”

    D1e, windmills, d1e.

    Back to AGW: it was always, ultimately, about money (and power, but that was dependent on money). Money is telling us, the game’s up. AGW is OVER.

    #(:))

    Certainly, the war is not yet over. WUWT must fight on until the Twisted Science Circus, featuring the Climate Clowns, is permanently marginalized. But, it is now a war of attrition, as Mr. Pearse eloquently described with his apt French phrase. And one of the MAJOR BLOWS to the AGW fortress-that-was: Anthony W@tts’ Surfacestations project. Way-to-go, men and women!!

    • The writing is on the wall, they are shameless and about to switch gears as if nothing happened. To What? They had it right the first time, climate change to global cooling with a blip caused by decreasing air pollution and an active sun. CO2 probably has more coincidence as a cooling gas than a warming gas in the data. They will switch back as if they had it right all along. The next generation through their public schools will buy it for a generation or so. Meanwhile they have no incentive to keep the older folks whom have seen this before, alive.

    • Thanks Janice.
      Your positivity should be bottled and sold. It’s very becoming.

      Question … do you think the 5 year extension for alt energy boondoggles is an easily ended program ?

      Do you think the American GOP authorized it because it’s a fight they didn’t want to pick in an election year ?

      The move threw me for a loop. Since your a smart eye on the prize cookie it figure I’d ask your opinion.

      • Oh, Knute, aw… thank you! Your kindness should be bottled.

        Answers (and my answers are not especially well-informed, btw):

        1. Yes. It could end just as fast as a House bill can be passed and approved by the Senate that has a little line in it (i.e., an addendum on another, likely-to-pass, popular bill that both parties want, like a budget…): saying something like: “… and the aforedescribed “investments” by the Federal Gov’t. in X project and Y project shall end at midnight on December 31, 2016.”

        2. Maybe. There may have been another, controlling issue that they wanted and compromised to get. I have no idea, for I have not been reading about this at all. Sorry. Sometimes, I just give myself a news-vacation for awhile — great for the soul! I doubt it, though, now that I’m thinking… Americans just do not care about junk like wind and solar or what-EVERrrrr enough for it to drive political choices based on electioneering. The GOP may have THOUGHT it would matter, though… so, (shrug). So, there’s your almost-not-there answer, lol.

        YOU are an awfully cool man to do me the honor of asking my opinion. Thank you! I needed that this evening.

        Janice

  10. Staying in science, could anyone tell me the most valuable study on IR co2 saturation band and its effect on climat, if any?

      • The issue is rather more complicated than Heinz Hug’s experiment, which you can find here:

        http://www.john-daly.com/artifact.htm

        However, at the top of the page, you’ll also see a link to a zip file which contains frank criticisms of Hug’s experiment that you can learn a lot from. There is no one definitive study upon which to rely.

    • Yes there are many, IR and CO2 do not interact with earths planetary climate enough to have any noticable influence over other frequencies and gases or even ‘elements’ to have any influence.

      Why else do you adjust data so much to fit a theory?

  11. Could Anthony please change the system so that the “comments” box is IMMEDIATELY BELOW the article in question, so that it appears, always at the top of the comments?

    [Reply: This would be better posted in Tips & Notes. ~mod]

    • Tips & Notes discourages discussion.

      I think the answer is that WordPress doesn’t do it that way.

      Besides, doesn’t everyone read the comments before commenting to make sure someone hasn’t already made that comment? I hate duplicates.

  12. Speaking of whimper, Peak Oil is also in run silent run deep mode with the armchair experts AWOL.

  13. Rajendra Pachauri was also the former head of Yale Climate Change Boondoggle funded by Steyer? No?

  14. Unfortunately, the Climate Change meme goes a lot deeper than the handful of climate scientists named here.

    All those consultants, who have been working at Freddie Mac, the CFPB, and the White House for the last 8 years, still need jobs in the “private sector”. And not just any jobs .. we are talking about mid to high 6 figure jobs where you only have to work a day or two a week, so you can help with the party apparatus.
    And that doesn’t include all those other ISO9000, ISO14000, and other political consultants who were banking on cashing in on some of the $500 billion a year laid out in the Paris agreement.

    You know … the folks who make up the “waste, fraud and abuse” that we hear about every so often.
    Why would a lame duck President like Obama work so hard to get something .. anything out of Paris.
    He wants his part of the “gravy train”.

  15. Now, if only there were a way to convince the hordes of “useful idiots” that they were, indeed idiots. And they have the vote, at least in the Dem primaries.

    • That will never happen, since late night satire shows are the media messengers for this group and the scripts are controlled for one slant. Besides they just move on to the next cause.

      • knutesea

        After saving the world what is left but saving the universe.

        Eugene WR Gallun

      • Hmmmm.

        Much of the anti carbon drivel is a cover for technophobia. I too often think that the correction to misguided thinking will come from the generation that rejects the trend ..

        Calls out their elders on the nonsense.

  16. Blood will be spilt as the Alarmists blame each other and claw for ever decreasing funds……can’t wait!

  17. u may only read about it isolated newspapers, but “carbon” markets are also crashing to earth.
    add this one to all the others of late:

    4 Mar: Irish Independent: John Mulligan: Revenue moves to have carbon credit trading firm wound up
    The Revenue Commissioners is seeking to have Dublin-based carbon credit trading firm Celestial Green Ventures wound up.
    The firm, which is headed by chief executive Ciaran Kelly, bills itself as being involved in rainforest preservation in Brazil. By preventing deforestation, it generates “carbon benefits” which can then be sold on the voluntary carbon market to entities that want to reduce or offset their emissions…
    The petition is due to be heard on April 4.
    Celestial Green Ventures moved to a larger premises in Dublin in 2012 and announced plans at the time to hire 30 staff. The telephone number at the office was not operating yesterday, while efforts to contact the office and Mr Kelly by email were unsuccessful.
    http://www.independent.ie/business/jobs/revenue-moves-to-have-carbon-credit-trading-firm-wound-up-34510119.html

    17 Feb: UK Mirror: Firms selling worthless carbon credits shut down for “one giant scam”
    The 19 companies were put into compulsory liquidation by the High Court after victims were fleeced by ‘boiler room’ cold callers
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/firms-selling-worthless-carbon-credits-7389240

  18. My screen shows an ad headlined
    Rest In Peace 350,000 life insurance for only $21.00 per month. How rich is the irony.

  19. In 1951, Eric Hoffer analyzed mass movements and those who get caught up in them. His description of the participants is so applicable to the AGW True Believers that I can’t resist posting it here.

    From Eric Hoffer’s “True Believer”

    Who is the True Believer?

    “He’s a guilt-ridden hitchhiker who thumbs a ride on every cause from Christianity to Communism.

    He’s a fanatic, needing a Stalin (or a Christ) to worship and die for.

    He’s the mortal enemy of things-as-they-are, and he insists on sacrificing himself for a dream impossible to attain.

    He is today everywhere on the march.”

    “The fanatic is perpetually incomplete and insecure. He cannot generate self-assurance out of his individual resources – out of his rejected self – but finds it only by clinging passionately to whatever support he happens to embrace. This passionate attachment is the essence of his blind devotion and religiosity, and he sees in it the source of all virtue and strength. Though his single-minded dedication is a holding on for dear life, he easily sees himself as the supporter and defender of the holy cause to which he clings. And he is ready to sacrifice his life to demonstrate to himself and others that such indeed is his role. He sacrifices his life to prove his worth.

    It goes without saying that the fanatic is convinced that the cause he holds on to is monolithic and eternal – a rock of ages. Still, his sense of security is derived from his passionate attachment and not from the excellence of his cause. The fanatic is not really a stickler for principle. He embraces a cause not primarily because of its justness and holiness but because of his desperate need for something to hold on to. Often, indeed, it is his need for passionate attachment which turns every cause he embraces into a holy cause.

    The fanatic cannot be weaned away from his cause by an appeal to his reason or moral sense. He fears compromise and cannot be persuaded to qualify the certitude and righteousness of his holy cause. But he finds no difficulty in swinging suddenly and wildly from one holy cause to another. He cannot be convinced but only converted. His passionate attachment is more vital than the quality of the cause to which he is attached.”

    • Yes, Eric Hoffer’s “True Believer” is an excellent book and it explains much of the nonsense and shenanigans going on with many “activists”.

    • “He cannot be convinced but only converted. His passionate attachment is more vital than the quality of the cause to which he is attached.”

      What is the next cause ?

      While climate change is the topic of this webpage, it is part of a larger social justice movement (SJM). SJM is the real movement that got legs under this political wave. Shut down CAGW, where will that mass movement energy go to ?

      • FOR KNUTE :)

        The pendulum swings…

        I think Materialism will be the next god. Most of the 18-40 year old people just want to have enough money for their toys (and also, many are pretty saavy about the need to save for their own retirement needs). The activists are mostly over 60, now. They were good for the world in many ways, for often their hearts are in the right place, but their low capacity for rational thinking did more harm than good, in my opinion.

        Anyway: Invest in anything that young people like to play with:
        electronic devices, better and faster phones, great electric guitars and amps, and the like.

        Also, try retirement funding products (focus on those marketed mainly via the net).

        And cars and trucks. While there are many “geek” types who can barely drive, there will ALWAYS be a big market niche for good looking, fairly powerful, fairly fast, great-handling, cars and trucks. Both cars that are just for fun/commuting and also SUV’s — the versatility for going snow boarding or to the beach. Re: gender (typical) preferences, electronics for both sexes should be excellent in features/quality, but women often like to have them a pretty color — Note: younger women are tech-saavy and NOT into being patronized with junk that only looks good. Trucks should be VERY “macho” — no one, women or men, wants a fluffy truck (there is, of course, a “hippy” market for such vehicles, but it is small and likely shrinking as we speak).

        Also, there is a large segment of younger consumers who want cozy, homey, products like “healthy” this and “natural” that. THAT is the pseudoscience that still has a lot of traction. So, we’re likely not done with “no artificial ingredients” and the like. Sigh. Always something. Anyway, invest in stuff like 100% wool or 100% cotton or popular food that is also “natural” (barf — whatever, like their pop and their alcoholic beverages are “natural”). I would NOT recommend investing in “organic.” Too many people are on to that sc@m and there are not enough of the neurotic people who are frightened by the “no pesticides” aspect of it — the price is just too high for most consumers. In this “homey” “healthy” market, focus mainly on products that have features that tend to appeal to women. Men use them, but women tend to be the purchasers.

        And ya know what? I am just talking too much!! Since only you, knute, will likely read this, I’ll post this too-long thing, anyway, for others will just scroll on by and, I hope, not be troubled by it. In fact, I’m now going to add the caveat you saw at the start of this long comment….

        While Materialism is not per se admirable, it does result in the most good for the most people, for REALITY and DATA are what money follows. If government subsidies (a la the true believers in AGW and their votes) are dwindling, the money will leave AGW-artificial-market-share products (like wind and solar) and follow REAL market forces like, “I want to have fun” and “I want my phone to do this and this and this” and “I want to go fast” and “I want to look pretty.” And not, “I want to save the planet.”

        Just my thoughts… worth all you paid for them, huh? :)

        Your talkative WUWT pal,

        Janice

      • Thanks Janice

        It was fun to read because I would not have thought of a new materialism wave. Fascinating.

        I am biased because I’m continuing to see money leaving equities (since spring 2015) and moving into basic commodities (since winter 2016). Some bigger than others but they are all attracting money flow. That’s typically a sign of burying your assets in underpriced “gotta have” stuff preparing for harder low growth periods. I associate materialism with excess pleasure purchases so it doesn’t fit with the next economic phase the money flow is showing.

        Perhaps you are right about the young ins wanting cool stuff that makes their lives more fun. Perhaps they’ll be able to do that even in harder times. The desire doesn’t wane, it’s just a matter of what they can afford. I can see them rebelling from an austerity produced by a BS craze such as CAGW induced expensive energy.

        Thanks for taking the time to answer my question.

      • Further to KNUTE:

        And instead of pseudo-religion AGW driving the marketing:

        e.g., “BUY OUR SUGAR IT IS CARBON [sic] FREE!”

        happiness and product purity/quality will be the marketing drivers

        once again. :)

        C & H Sugar (1974)

        Looks like about a 40-50 year cycle… heh.

    • “But he finds no difficulty in swinging suddenly and wildly from one holy cause to another.”

      I knew such a guy very well who, after trying out the Kundalini Yoga group, eventually became the/a Leader of the Communist Party in San Francisco, before they decided they needed to aggressively infiltrate the Democrat Party because they knew they’d never win Marx’s critical “First Majority” as Communists. But earlier, it seems he got his embryonic start by following holy me around for a few years!

    • I detect a parallel with many other activist causes. There may be a psychosis. George Bernard Shaw observed that reasonable people conform to the world around them. Unreasonable people have a vision and attempt to get the world to confirm to their vision. Therefore all human progress is because of unreasonable people.

      It seems that these fanatics are actually all about stopping or reversing changes. Changes make it hard to find stability and thus conformity requires constant adaption. Thus irritation.

      The irritation is easily manipulated into frustration and radicalism. The ultimate misery is the realisation that time can not be stopped.

      • Yes – when discussing with come friends I referred to activists/liberals/progressives as being in a perpetual state of discontent.

  20. Let us not forget our good friend (and paragon scientific objectivity) Michael Mann rolling over on Pause Buster’s Karl et al. It’s musical chairs and the few remaining seats are stiff and uncomfortable.

  21. “McIntyre, who is a one man climate science paper killer will need help to finish off the job of cleaning out the thousands of worthless climate papers in the literature.”

    Sounds like a Herculean effort will be needed.

  22. This for you, Anthony. From all of us WUWT kids, the ones who love you and are so proud of you!

    “High Hopes” — Frank Sinatra (and us WUWTers when we were little, well when some of us were little, lol)

    (youtube)

    “So any time you’re feelin’ bad,
    ‘stead of lookin’ sad,
    just remember that Ant {Anthony :) }

    Whoops! There goes another CO2 grant!

    #(:))

    And in memory of Bob Carter and John Daly and Hal Lewis and many others who are no longer here, but, I believe who are still cheering you on, Anthony, et. al. (you, too, m0derators!).

    ATTITUDE.

    It makes all the difference.

    “I can do this…,” thought Anthony. And, so, he did it.

  23. I like the premiss of this article, but I’m afraid that there are too many people who have built professional and/or political careers on CAGW for it to fade so quietly.

  24. We will all go to our rest. My thanks to Anthony for helping to save civilization.

  25. Not to worry. National Geographic Magazine is still fully vested in Climate Change™, like it’s still 1995.

  26. Good post Gary.
    Seems it takes a decade for any bureaucracy to be corrected.
    Never will they admit error, malice nor incompetence.
    Just slide away and hope no one remembers.
    Guaranteed pensions at the expense of those so ill served by their “help”.

    The CRU emails were indefensible, I was highly amused by those willing to try to justify the behaviour exposed.
    Costs of idiotic policies by governments are coming home to the consciousness of our taxpayers..
    Naturally its time to pocket the cash and slink off onto the distance.
    But will it work?
    This tool,the internet, never forgets, many of our fools and bandits went all in on the CAGW scheme.
    Such gullibility should always be rewarded.

    • I have been thinking it will take more like 50 years or more (or a generation) to rid ourselves of this myth.

      For precedent, I suggest consideration of the cholesterol myth and the creation of the American phobia against eating animal fat.

      Now, of course, since we have figured out how bad trans fats are for you, and real butter and real eggs have been restored to popular recipe sources, it’s finally turning around. It still makes me chuckle whenever I see a cooking show where they use nothing but real butter and plenty of eggs.

      Why, even in 1955, when Disney made “Lady and the Tramp”, and Tramp decided against seeking breakfast at the French bakery, it wasn’t because it had too much fat, it was because the food had too much starch. Back then, even cartoonists knew that too much starch was not good for us!

      I distinctly remember TV commercials in the 1960s and 1970s where they extolled the virtues of hydrogenated vegetable oil shortening instead of lard or butter. And I remember when my little sister, who formerly fought her siblings bravely for the little piece of fat in the can of pork & beans, later turned up her nose at it when she was taught in school that we should avoid eating such things. I always thought it was such a shame that she deprived herself for the rest of her life of that little joy, all for a lie.

      I tend to think that it’s economics that will drive certain media to continue to push the CAGW message, foolish though it is.

      Perhaps when enough of the moguls die who sunk their fortunes into that lie, then we will be free to let reality creep back into our conversations and blogs, without being vilified by people who think they know better, but don’t.

      Of course, if we could get the public money out of the picture, the lesson would be learned more quickly…. You would think a bankrupt government could be convinced to stop funding such non-essential projects.

      • A short cut would be a proper education. The only way to get this these days is for families to take a major role in their children’s education. It isn’t that onerous and it is quite rewarding.

    • For most it means save yourself, you are no longer under orders. ‘Sauver’, to save; ‘qui’ who, whom, which, that; ‘peut’, third person of the verb ‘pouvoir’, to be able, (il peut, elle peut – he/she can). For the few, it also signals ‘burn the documents!’ there is likely to be attribution and retribution.

      • Ah, I had not seen this, I just posted lower down :

        ‘sauve qui peut’ (save what you can is a losing sides last order in a war)

        qui means who, not what. So it’s “save [ himself ] who can”. It can best be translated as ‘every man for himself’.

  27. I’m guessing there have been a flood of climatologists graduate in the last 10 years in response to all of the hoopla. If funding should dry up — or even fail to expand — there’s going to be a lot of beached fish.

    • In one comment a year or so under another thread, I pointed to this problem. At a mining conference in Toronto, a young lady from Michigan who had just obtained her bachelors degree asked me what I recommended she do for her graduate work. She said she was considering taking the environmental option in geology. I advised her it would be very unwise, that this field is greatly oversubscribed and getting a job won’t be easy. The future for it was grim, too. I sent her some information and contacts I promised, but she never replied.

      I’m happy the scam is falling apart, but I’m sad at a lost generation and a half of disillusioned young scientists whose skills are basically worthless. The smart ones will go back to university and requalify themselves for more firmly founded real things to do. I hope the young lady finds her way – she would be in the middle of her studies and possibly a phologiston thesis. At least she isn’t two thirds the way through her career making herself sick jousting with the dark reality that her mind is trying to get her to see – like a certain butterfly expert under treatment who no longer appears to be publishing anything and who ran away from the US to find like minded folks in Europe.

  28. James Dellingpole affirms: Give it up progressives – you have lost the global warming argument

    Alarmists are unaware how quickly the debate is moving. . . . To end a pause of 18 years or so because of short-term weather is stupid. One should never start or end an analysis of temperature trends on an El Nino year. Saying that the warming is back on is nonsense. . . .
     if you have lost the argument you should show your victor respect rather than mock him and scorn him with your ugly little cheap shots and wholly unmerited arrogance. I’m sorry, Tom Chivers, that you don’t get this.

    • David;
      Unfortunately I discovered the comments were closed after I had written the following…
      (so as not to waste)…..

      Delingpole:
      “Even if we accept that the data wasn’t manipulated and that 2015 was the warmest year on record, this was because of El Nino not because of “global warming”. El Nino is weather. We will have to wait for the El Nino to end and the subsequent La Nina as well before we can say about the pause ending. ”

      Yes the current El Nino has contributed greatly to 2015 being the warmest on record, however it is plainly not just because of it. Otherwise in the long-run of recorded Nino’s their contribution to the average global temp that year would have been (a more or less) a constant. this above the background climate equilibrium. And on the other side of the coin Nina’s would show the mirror.
      That is plainly not the case. Any examination of the global temperature record shows successive Nina’s/Nino’s following on an rising trend of global temperature. PDO/ENSO are a harmonic on the signal of the AGW trend line. Without that a Nina even would indeed cool the planet (atmosphere) for a time. But what happened? The long -PDO/ENSO phase merely produced a “hiatus” – and even that via the now discredited sat series RSS (V4.0 for TMT soon to be followed by TLT) – “discredited” with regard to the “adjusted” claims put up against the surfaces thermometer records. That Judith Curry’s “the best data that we have” is now an even more laughable claim full of hypocracy.
      All you have left is claims of incompetence and conspiracy .. oh, and Spencer/Christy at UAH (until they warm up their “data”)
      A graph….

      • lol, T0neb — I just now carefully read your comment in order to come up with some cites to data and the historical record to refute you, but, as I read down the screen, my smile grew. “Oh, good,” I thought, “this comment is so illogical and so obviously incorrect that I don’t need to bother.”

        That is, T0neb: You have written a self-refuting document.

      • As a meteorologist who follows Nino/Ninas very closely, I find it intriguing how those who look just at the artificial ENSO numbers e.g. Nino 3.4 region without actually looking at the observations. The first thing that many number watchers don’t notice is that La Nina’s are just a stronger version of the NORMAL regional climate pattern. El Nino’s are the anomaly. So the difference between a ENSO neutral and strong La Nina pattern is not that great on a spatial and atmospheric influence scale. However, El Nino’s are a complete reversal and have a major impact on global and region atmospheric circulation patterns. Therefore any major cooling from La Ninas should really only be a reversion back to nearer normal and if stronger slightly cooler.

        The Nino 3.4 region which generates the ENSO index is not a very good indicator of how widespread or where the warm anomalies are.

        The Enso MEI index is a far better indicator than the 3.4 index and this clearly shows two things. One that This 2015/16 event is not as strong as either 1982/83 or 97/98 but also that there has been only relatively weak or short lived La Nina phases since the late 70s so hence a warmer bias.

  29. When the cash flow dries up, so does academic enthusiasm for whatever was formerly generating it. The same crowd of genius “scientists” will doubtless turn up elsewhere with new alarms to promote more tedious, hair-splitting “studies” which only they are uniquely qualified to pursue at taxpayer cost.

      • Knute: More to my comments on this topic (below): Bubba is right, however…

        The key for investment (or entrepreneurial activities) is to DICTATE “the next new thing.” So… determine what a lot of people really care about…. and tell them THAT is what they want/need, for, they really DO. The AGW/sustainability religious control-freak marketers are trying to enforce on the market dogma and coercive philosophical rules. That is not the underlying truth about what drives most people’s buying. It attempts to use guilt. That is only tolerated for a little while, then, the masses skip AGW mass and do what they want.

        So! Be proactive and MAKE the next new thing! :)

        Best wishes to you in your endeavors — CAPITALISM ROCKS!

        Janice

      • The Church of Sustainable Pleasures ?

        Will the pendulum swing rebelling against Gaia friendly dogma ? Is there a niche out there for guiltless pleasures for the common man ?

        AI meets guiltless pleasures.

        Have you seen what they are doing with robotics lately ? Really is kind of amazing. How about the flying car ?

        On a rather unhappy note. Went to one of those Saturday brunch thingies where the women try too hard to look good and the men wonder how they got so lucky that the booze is free and they don’t have chores to do. In a small tribal gathering of pre 30s I listened to a discussion about data tampering. First of all, I’m impressed that it was even being discussed. Alas, it overwhelmed the group and they decided that it was ridiculous to argue about complicated data and that it was self evident the economy needed to move to more sustainable forms of energy. In other words so what if the temperature isn’t changing, we need to move into the brave new future because fossils are dirty.

        The ends justifies the means is pretty thick lately .. I left the soree wondering if it was always this way and I was naive.

      • Thanks Janice
        I’m a big fan of JoNovas work.
        Perhaps it’s my wide eyed delivery but I haven’t been too successful in real life using her skeptics guide. I think the guide is good but I also think we (my anecdotal survey being my evidence) are moving towards a :

        “so what climate change isn’t happenning .. yeah … but … ya know those fossils are dirty and we need a better way because ummm well … fossils are dirty”

        IF the GOP gets control of POTUS, I think your see a dismissal of CAGW alarmism and then folks will look at the renewables markets and see what’s left for the pickings. A good idea on a limited basis reality of sorts will kick in and folks will distance themselves from CAGW. The alarmists will get a sort of pat on the head for good intentions while the adults take over and sort out the real options for power generation.

        Thinking out loud so pile on and plow thru :).

  30. So how many big-name pushers of the climate alarmist agenda are one day going to be dragged to a “climate Nuremburg” to answer for crimes against humanity, like one of them once demanded for “deniers”? The enormity of the time, money, resources, labor, and life (both animal and human) wasted over decades on this whole progressivist/socialist misadventure is nothing short of a CaH.

    My estimate: zero

  31. It’s policy based “science” and we have to find a much better Word for that?

    How about post-modern science?

    The essence of “post-modern science” is to use the trappings and vocabulary of science in the service of propaganda. Bad propaganda. And dishonest propaganda. Propaganda, per se, is arguing for a side, it is possible to do so honestly, as well as effectively. And then there is the kind of propaganda that gives “propaganda” a bad name.

    The category of people who started this mess will regroup. Their purpose remains, draw up the bridges, secure the moat, let none challenge their status (more so than their wealth, but the two are inter-twined). The same motive behind occupancy licensing, and much else throttling opportunity.

  32. “The commodore of the Ship of Fools who got stuck in the ice and pummeled by blizzards while studying the disastrous effects of global warming on Antarctica” I have to admit a bit of a chuckle when a supply ship was blown aground by a blizzard in high summer at Mawson Base in recent weeks. Damn global warming! an oft heard cry in our home.

  33. Davidmhoffer@3:35
    The link shows web page not found. However,you might look for a paper by Heinz Hug and Jack Barret which answers some of their critics. Yes,things are complicated. It’s .04% of the atmosphere and self-perpetuating positive feedback loops that are simple.

  34. Who would have believed that following Copenhagen only a little over six years later the skeptics on WUWT and other major skeptic climate blogs would quite casually and without much rancor or heat but with considerable scorn, be discussing the on going melt down of the entire very selfish, power lusting, grandiose planet and society changing, fascist orientated anthropogenic global warming catastrophe movement?

    There are a couple of points to be made here.

    Each societal movement / corporation and political movement has a life cycle and the green / CAGW movement is not exempt in any way from the hard facts of the Corporate Lifecycle in the society of today.

    A good source to see the stages in a movement / corporation’s life cycle is the “Adizes Corporate Lifecycle”.

    http://www.adizes.com/lifecycle/

    Run your pointer over each stage shown to get a short outline on the characteristics of that stage in the Adizes Corporate Lifecycle.

    The second point is more of a personal observation over the almost 78 years of my life time.

    As the creators of societal organisations, businesses, movements, cultural memes and so much more, my generation which helped re-build the world after the catastrophe of WW2 have made the very bad mistake, which all generations make, in that they expect and even demand that the next generation just pick up where we left off and keep right on running and utilising all those creations, all those movements, all those cultural and societal memes, all those family and wider businesses and even corporations which we started and were created by my generation which is now well and truly on its way out and going or just gone.

    As a newest and next generation; They don’t and They won’t!

    They, the next generation are just like we were.

    They will be out there busily creating their own businesses and societal and cultural and political memes and movements that their generation will adhere to in creating the societal dictates that will guide them all their lives.
    And they also in turn will be bitterly disappointed like a lot of my generation have been, when the generation following them also fails or refuses to follow in their footsteps and just get to setting about creating the society and the life they hope for and desire and dream about in their future.

    The example here could easily be seen in the supposed grossly hyped potential Catastrophe of the Ozone Hole affair later allied and linked closely through the same scientific scammers working in both fields to the following even greater hyped and scammed CAGW cult.

    The whole purported and constantly predicted and subsequently aborted man made catastrophe meme which has driven much of western society’s guilt trip for close on three decades, the useful working life of a generation, is now decaying into just another heap of stinking scientific and green activist’s publicly visible depravity.

    That older generation of science scammers and green activists that created that great increasingly stinky pile of scientific and cultural dung is coming to the end of its influence and a new generation with hopefully much more pragmatic and humanity considering goals and with different aims is beginning to move in at the lower stratas of business and society with ideas, not so latent memes and themes that will be the cultural engine that will drive the next generation’s restructuring of society along with influences and the memes that will shape that future society.

    As always in human affairs;

    Everything changes!
    Nothing changes!

    • “That older generation of science scammers and green activists that created that great increasingly stinky pile of scientific and cultural dung is coming to the end of its influence and a new generation with hopefully much more pragmatic and humanity considering goals and with different aims is beginning to move in at the lower stratas of business and society with ideas, not so latent memes and themes that will be the cultural engine that will drive the next generation’s restructuring of society along with influences and the memes that will shape that future society.”

      The wheels on the bus go round and round. Not to be ignored is the fact that your generation witnessed the richest and longest lasting economic period in modern history. I think the odds are high that the upcoming generation will be far more influenced by austere times that reprioritize their thinking.

  35. ‘sauve qui peut’ (save what you can is a losing sides last order in a war)

    qui means who, not what. So it’s “save [ himself ] who can”. It can best be translated as ‘every man for himself’.

    • Greg, like all languages, when you get past 101 it gets more messy:

      http://dictionary.reverso.net/french-english/qui

      C’est la personne à qui j’ai parlé hier. It’s the person I spoke to yesterday., It’s the person whom I spoke to yesterday.
      (chose, animal) that, which
      Le tableau qui ornait l’entrée a disparu. The painting that was in the entrance hall has disappeared.
      Donne-moi la veste qui est sur la chaise. Give me the jacket that’s on the chair.
      qu’est-ce qui …? what …?
      Qu’est-ce qui est sur la table? What’s on the table?

  36. Erm, RealClimate is alive and well, continuing its focus on quality over quantity, Joe Romm’s last post was a few days ago, the UK Climate Change Act was passed by all but 5 MPs, 100% of professional science academies support the IPCC conclusions, the Paris agreement was, extraordinarily, passed unanimously by all countries, last year was the warmest on record at the surface and the ‘Pause’, last refuge of the scientific scoundrel, is dead.

    Whimpering indeed.

    • Condolences. You are obviously in the first of the five stages of grief, on the the loss of your CAGW Belief. Find a local support group, as that can be helpful. Also, counseling is advisable.

      • Ooo, THANK you, Andrew! That was my cue! :)

        Baghdad Bob (I never get tired of this clip):

        RealClimate is alive and well

        lol. Okay. They are alive, at least.

        So? To what avail — to be the butt of jokes!! lolololol

        Poor Phil.

      • That’s a great clip. Next time I have to do a brief I’m going to fit it in somewhere. It’s a good cognitive dissonance ice breaker.

  37. …more than half the climate industry is Australian -(CSIRO canned…wait for it…350 of them…

    Ahh: 350.gon

  38. WASHINGTON — FitzGibbon Media, a prominent progressive public relations firm, abruptly shut down on Thursday amid allegations of sexual harassment and assault by the company’s president.

    Trevor FitzGibbon and his team worked with some of the biggest progressive organizations, including NARAL, MoveOn, the Center for American Progress and the AFL-CIO, as well as Wikileaks, Chelsea Manning and The Intercept. The company sponsored an event with The Huffington Post earlier this year.

    Multiple female employees came forward with accusations of sexual harassment and assault against FitzGibbon, according to employees who spoke with The Huffington Post.

    The FitzGibbon link in the article no longer works. Here is one that works.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fitzgibbon-media_us_567330fce4b014efe0d4cb4e

    • co2islife –

      from page 2 of the following:

      And yet more women are now coming forward: “Women keep reaching out to us with more creepy allegations about Trevor FitzGibbon. People who didn’t work at the firm,” tweeted HuffPo’s Terkel on Friday…
      http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2015/12/fitzgibbon_media_shuts_down_over_sexual_assault_and_sexual_harassment_allegations.html

      this was a cover story in Aug 2015 – well worth a read:

      StyleWeekly, Richmond Va: The Fire Starter
      Ferguson, WikiLeaks, the Confederate flag tumult: When a liberal milestone is about to spark headlines across the country, chances are Richmonder Trevor FitzGibbon is getting a call.
      By Brent Baldwin
      The clients are as wide-ranging as Amnesty International, Planned Parenthood, NARAL, MoveOn, the American Federation of Teachers, the Communication Workers of America, IFC Films, the Guardian, United Way and WikiLeaks…
      Downs (Bertis Downs, manager and advisor for the band R.E.M.) says the band started working with FitzGibbon on environmental issues when he was in his early 20s…
      After two years, FitzGibbon dropped out and moved to Philadelphia to begin knocking on doors for the state Public Interest Research Group as a door-to-door canvasser for the environment. The first time was to get a recycling bill passed…
      FitzGibbon then moved to Seattle to help start the first Sierra Club canvas office…
      While in the Northwest, he began working with Washington Wilderness Coalition to protect old-growth forests, at the same time forging connections in the political arena by working on campaigns for environmental candidates such as Democratic U.S. Sen. Patty Murray…
      Still in his 20s, FitzGibbon, together with R.E.M. and Pearl Jam, wrote a letter to then Vice President Al Gore to request a sit-down, face-to-face meeting…
      In 2008, FitzGibbon went to be a communications director for the Obama campaign during the New Mexico primary…
      http://www.styleweekly.com/richmond/the-fire-starter/Content?oid=2233402

    • Bill Clinton is the progressive role model these days. These guys in higher places believe in “entitlement” in all its forms.

  39. Sorry but thanks to the ‘heads you lose tails I win’ approach these people have zombie like qualities. Worse given it is has never been about the facts you cannot even behead them by proving their science is BS. So down to some extent they may be, but they are a long way from out.

  40. “Here lies Manmade Global Warming,
    Aka Climate Change, aka Extreme Weather.
    The Debate Is Over.”

    • ‘My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
      Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!’
      Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
      Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
      The lone and level sands stretch far away.’

  41. I think “long whimper” is an appropriate characterization of what is happening. While many of us here can finally see the “light at the end of the tunnel,” unfortunately, it will still be awhile before we actually reach the end of the tunnel.

    • Why will it be awhile? It’s over… man controlling any planetary varible was a belief. It failed, THE END.

      • Of course. However, it may still be awhile before a substantial number of people catch up to where you are. AGW remains a superstition, and a lot of members of the human species are still superstitious creatures.

  42. An EPA water expert, Miguel Del Toral, identified potential problems with Flint’s drinking water in February 2015, confirmed the suspicions in April and summarized the looming problem in a June internal EPA memo. The state decided in October to change Flint’s drinking water source from the corrosive Flint River back to the Detroit water system. EPA Region 5 Administrator Susan Hedman resigned over the matter for delaying the finding for 9 month.. You see the EPA were trying to make the Republican’s look responsible for this matter and a campaign issue but it backfired. the EPA should not be political bla bla bla.

    • EPA Region 5 Administrator Susan Hedman.

      Hedman had a long history in environmental law before coming to EPA. She served as environmental counsel to Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan (D). Hedman was Madigan’s chief negotiator for litigation and legislation on environmental issues.

      Hedman also was a legal officer for the U.N. Security Council

      ouncil

      • ..Are you the REAL Russel or the FAKE Russel ??

        RE: Russell
        March 4, 2016 at 4:43 pm

        Josh deserves to be clapped in irony irons and put an IKEA comfy chair.

  43. Marcus PS what are you talking about. I’m the Russell from Montreal were it’s still – 12 c

  44. And thus was the cautionary tale of the small-minded ego-troopers … self-appointed to save unrecoverable perfections … … lest we forget … … er … sorry … … what was I saying? … oh look! … there’s a pretty sunset! … ah … Gaia has tired the warming thing and it must rest now … so everyone say good night to the warming thing! … Good night warming-thing!! … we shall pine for thee! … … no … no … not really … … who were you again? … … oh, never mind … the bonfire of the vanities awaits … cya … wouldn’t want to be ya … mother Gaia is taking away the cookie jar … for it is written, wretches shalt not raid the cookie jar! … there’s this club … called science … and you’re not in it … just so you know … take away the confusion … put your mind at rest … cheerio!

  45. The leftist politicians in Canada have not yet got the memo that the Lysenkoism of AGW has been shown to be a false religion and are pressing ahead with taxing the people to fund their snake oil.

  46. Am I missing something. realclimate.org is still there and with recent postings.

    A brief glance of the site and I already learned that staying below 2ºC is a huge challenge no one thinks would be easy and is probably impossible but what the hell lets try it anyways.

    What the hell is right, they probably believe whatever happens they can cook the numbers to show a 2ºC increase or decrease depending on the narrative desired by the political winds of the time.

  47. So it looks like an ‘army of ones’ is defeating or has defeated the multi-government funded juggernaut of catastrophic global warming fear.

    Gary Pearse has presented a tally of some of the casualties thus far. That ‘army of ones’ is growing daily and becoming focused on the targets/scammers. It’s game over in short time. Let the trials begin.

    We are now beginning to see, in some cases, more organized forces marching for the truth. While the CAGW elite were declawed by an ‘army of ones’ that were persistent in a search for the truth, there is now only defeat with the arrival of what appears to be organized structures seeking the same demands for the truth. Again, let the trials begin. Offer no quarter as none was offered to those who questioned the sham-science. Confiscate the ill gotten gains of the perpetrators. Real science deserves justice.

    • Yup.
      Retribution.
      Either banishment to an Arctic Paradise or sweat them until they return the public treasure wasted by their greed or gullibility.
      Simple observation, those who buy the CAGW meme, identify themselves as too easily gulled to hold public office.

  48. Yes, I am frequently critical of the use of carbon as shorthand for CO2. Carbon pollution of course exists, in the form of particulate emissions from diesels and dust from coal mines, and these kill people, but they don’t heat the planet.

    In any case, my criticism isn’t the simple mistake of saying element instead of compound. I expect that sort of lack of attention to detail here.

    There are 6 gases that cause global warming. 6. And here are you clowns pretending that you know everything, while not even realising there are 5 other gases (some families) that cause global warming.

    Clearly you haven’t even read any of the IPCC reports, this is in the very first chapter every time. Yet you criticise their contents.

    This website is the most popular denial site in the world because you find it so comforting to not have confronting facts. No one here, particularly not the author, has a clue what they’re talking about, and you absolutely love it.

    • evcricket says:

      but they don’t heat the planet. ,,,There are 6 gases that cause global warming. 6. And here are you clowns pretending that you know everything…

      Mr. Cricket, it appears that you don’t know much. Let me school you, because you desperately need it:

      First, almost all the warming caused by CO2 happened in the first few dozen ppm. We’re now at 400 ppm, and global T has stopped rising for more than 18 years. The reason is mader clear in this graph:

      CO2 could rise by 20%, 30%, or 50% from here, and the warming effect would still be too minuscule to measure. The very recent rise in global T is due to El Nino, not to CO2.

      Next, the only empirical evidence available shows that ∆CO2 follows ∆T:

      The easily duped climate alarmist crowd is getting all wound up over a rise in CO2 — over more than a century — of just one part in 10,000. But CO2 has been up to fifteen times higher in the past, without ever triggering runaway global warming — or any global warming most times.

      As for you “6 gases”, only CO2 matters, because the “dangerous AGW” hoax is promoted to support the “carbon” scare. It is a political scare, not a scientific one. That’s why we constantly hear about ‘carbon footprints’ and similar nonsense from the lunatic fringe. They are the ones who don’t know the difference between an element and a compound.

      Finally, this multiple award winning “Best Science” site has more traffic, and more knowledgeable commenters, than all the alarmist blogs in existence. They are undoubtedly where you get your misinformation from. But if you stick around here long eough, you will probably learn some real science. And one more thing: you don’t label people with a differnt point of view here as “deniers”, “denialists”, etc. That is plain ignorance speaking.

      • Stealey says: “and global T has stopped rising for more than 18 years.”

        Nope.

        Even the satellite data proves you wrong.
        ..
        If you have data that shows that global warming has stopped in the past 18 years, please post it.

      • Word-twister CK at 1:59pm (the post at 1:53pm isn’t worth replying to, for its refutation is common knowledge, now):

        Your modus operandi on WUWT over the past months that I’ve noticed your presence is: MISCHARACTERIZE and ATTACK THE STRAWMAN — that is more than a mere fallacy, it is wicked. YOU SHOULD BE BANNED from a site that is about honest commenting and SCIENCE FACTS.

        D. B. Stealey did not, as you falsely accuse him, appeal to authority — at — all. Here is what proves you to be a word-twister, D.B.’s stated reason for asserting the fact of WUWT’s popularity:

        … if you stick around here long enough, {where the most knowledgeable commenters are in the greatest numbers on the web} you will probably learn some real science.

        *****************************

        Marcus is right. There is, though, of course, no point in trying to make CK see that.

        @ all NOT CK readers: CK is that troll that posts also under a sheepskin something like “1oldwisen at Reagan something.com”. He is clearly a personality-disordered l1ar who loves to l1e and mischaracterize JUST FOR THE SPORT OF IT. He is SICKENING. The point of my saying that? So everyone can just scroll past his JUNK posts. Which is what I must do from now on! :)

      • From a general interest pov, his moniker displays a style that is very prominent in real life discussions.

        The style relies on attempting to establish a moral high ground that only they can occupy.

        I hear it so often, I wonder whether it is an aberration in culture or a normal expression of what used to be called the generation gap.

      • Janice Moore says: “D. B. Stealey did not, as you falsely accuse him, appeal to authority”

        You are correct, I did not accuse him of an appeal to authority.
        ..
        I suggest you read the link I posted to understand which logical fallacy he committed.

        Hint: Stealy posted “greatest numbers” ….I think that proves me correct.

        Additionally Janice, you post “Marcus is right.”

        The problem with saying that is that Marcus did not make any point.
        ..
        Please tell us what “point” Marcus was making.

      • PS Janice Moore, when you post ” He is clearly a personality-disordered l1ar” you are obviously using the technique known as “name calling” (also known as ad-hominem) which instantly makes you loose the argument.

      • Well, indeed, it did pause for 18 years. Some warming from El Nino (not Carbon) this year might signal that the this period is over, but then again, an La Nina might carry it forward for more than 20 years. If I was walking to Philadelphia and I paused for 18 hours before I resumed, that doesn’t erase the pause, it merely defines the length of the pause. Don’t be stupid about the logic. You can be excused for not having a clue about science, but don’t be stupid about the logic which is available to all.

    • evcricket, I assure you I know the difference between an element and a compound. But I have seen the original compound changed to the element carbon by devious ideologues you apparently don’t criticize. I actually studied paleoclimate as a geologist and am very well read on related subjects – I can recite the Periodic Table of the Elements by heart and understand chemical and physical behavior of the elements as a function of their location in it. Other posts on WUWT are presented by people who similarly have knowledge and skills beyond what you think possible. I and they knew the marksbrothers of the clime syndicate didn’t know what they were talking about as soon as it barfed forth.

      Ignorance is comforting for many like yourself, but realize this: those who are putting this carp across deliberately make it their mission to make the masses comfortable with it. If the masses to which you belong would avail themselves of an education, this scam wouldn’t have lasted a day. Being knowledgeable is a lot harder work and requires more engagement than your class and political bent will ever realize. It is easier to just be led than to try to make an effort to even understand the rudiments of the issues. Even if your heroes were correct, it isn’t very exemplary of you to not trouble yourself about the subject. It is interesting and worth your while, but I assume you live the semi-medicated life of a witless self-satisfied useful idiot. I hope I haven’t insulted you.

  49. It just tortures Keating that his very thinly trafficked blog is way under the radar. That’s why he posts here — his own blog is unread by almost anyone.

    It’s amusing to see Keating get so spun up by my comments. He’s my entourage! I like it when he bird-dogs my posts, impotently trying for soime advantage he will never find.

    Keating fancies himself an expert on logical falloacies. Let’s discuss that. A while back Keating posted a bogus “challenge” that would require the payee to prove a negative; a logical fallacy if there ever was one.

    Not too ethical, IMHO. I find it impossible to believe that Keating would have ever paid a dime, no matter what. That’s why he weasel-worded his bogus challenge like he did.

    I also have to larf at anyone who comments: “I think that proves me correct.”

    Well, I think you’re flat wrong, just like you’re flat wrong about your ‘dangerous manmade global warming’ nonsense. So there. heh

    • dbstealey, the vast majority of climate scientists do not spend their time on blog sites. They are too busy conducting research, writing papers, or teaching. So you won’t see them here, or at least the vast majority. So using traffic to climate related blog sites as a proxy for who is winning the hearts and minds is incorrect. And the number of active skeptic posters on this site – I mean those that posts dozens of times per week – is relatively small. I would guess no more than 50 people at the most.

      The other key point is that for a large percentage of AGW believers (I am referring to those who are not scientists), the science is settled, so they are not going to spend their time reading blog sites, or commenting.

      • Could be nothing, but in real life I’m noticing more casual conversation throwing doubt on climate change cheerleading as a disparaging reflection on an individuals intelligence …

        It reminds me of backlash to government programs that push a theme. I see it mostly in the eye rolls of the teenagers.

        Could be nothing but I also notice that they spend an awful lot of time searching thru twitter and skimming comments on their favorite news sources.

        I wouldn’t underestimate the power of well run counterculture sites. Kids, ya know, they don’t like to be fed dogma. They like to find out that their parents were full of it.

      • Chris: Not one of your wonderful busty scientific folk fail to drop in here daily to see what is happening at WUWT. Doubt me? Follow up checking on their sites and you will see their twitters and comments on what they found on WUWT during their visit. You have no idea how naive you look measuring yourself up against knowledgeable and intelligent visitors to this site that you engage with. Believe me, your just coming here, though, puts you head and shoulders above the the rest of the useful idiots who don’t drop by. So that’s a plus for you.

      • To Chris’s point, I don’t think the vast majority of climate scientists have participated in or fallen for “the 97% consenseus” – ie they know the science for AGW is weak. They have little to gain from the distraction of blog participation.

        The non-scientist “True Believers” however are quite active blog commenters – just not here for the most part. When time allows I’ll engage them on Media Matters, 350.org, Huffo or other lefty sites. Their argument is almost always an appeal to authority – the consensus and/or the endorsements of the consensus from NOAA, NASA, APS etc. But it seems like the numbers of them engaging have diminished as has their dogged defense of the IPCC. I find Donna Laframbroise to be an excellent source for exposing IPCC corruption.

        There are a lot of knowlegable commenters here who I think could make a significant social impact by engaging more on the lefty sites. Not that it will sway the True Believers themselves, but I suspect there are many who lean left, read the commments and aren’t yet sure which side is right. Those are the people who might be convinced by some clear refutation of the “appeal to authority”.

        Especially when the defender is as crass as k3v1n47 is in our current discussion thanks to a link someone posted a couple months ago to this arrogant and rude interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go33Llz8hFs

      • Gary Pearce is right on-target.

        Chris says:

        …the vast majority of climate scientists do not spend their time on blog sites.

        Well, right there you’re wrong. Just about all of them check in here.

        The ones Chris is referring to aren’t skeptics. And skeptics are the only honest kind of scientists. Skeptical scientists like this site. The rest of them — the ones who are not skeptics of ‘dangerous AGW’, and never were, are not honest scientists. They are promoting that Narrative for whatever their personal reasons; fame and fortune, job security, ethics-challenged, or whatever trumps their scientific skepticism. Honest scientists are skeptics, first and foremost. That’s the difference between alarmist scientists and honest scientists.

        Without strong skepticism of scientific claims, honest science is undermined. Does it not concern Chris that after a century of searching, there is not a single empirical, testable, verified measurement quantifying the fraction of AGW, out of global warming from all sources? It seems to me there are just two possible reasons for that major failure:

        Either AGW doesn’t exist, or it exists, but it is so tiny that it can’t be measured with current instruments; it is down in the noise. (I think AGW exists, but as a very minunscule, 3rd order forcing. Thus, AGW is a non-problem.)

        And ‘thallstd’ is right on the money. I recall the first few years after this site started, when comments were almost all very rational, because the eco-lemming contingent hadn’t discovered it and decided to run interference here with their cut ‘n’ pasted nonsense from ‘realscience’ and other self-serving climate propaganda blogs. Those were constructive threads exploring the science of meteorology, metrology, physics, geology, and other hard sciences.

        But now most of the the lemmings running interference don’t know the difference between science and Scientology. They make baseless assertions, and endless “appeal to authority” logical fallacies on one side, and name-calling on the other.

        If the alarmist lemmings had ANY verifiable measurements of AGW, they would use those measurements to argue with, instead of their logical fallacies and pseudo-science. If they had made even one alarming prediction that ever came true, they would point to that. Instead, they call names, issue bogus ‘challenges’, and make baseless assertions pretending they’re facts. For rational folks, that shows they’ve lost the argument.

        Honest skeptics ask: how many degrees of global warming have resulted from human CO2 emissions?” Because that is the basic debate. But alarmists hide out when someone asks for a specific, verifiable measurement, because they can’t produce any. What they want is for everyone to accept their assertions as facts and evidence. But science doesn’t work that way.

        Thus, their CO2=cAGW conjecture fails. The whole runaway global warming scare is nothing but a giant head-fake, with no supporting measurements.

  50. That picture of Pachauri makes me think of Rasputin from Don Bluth’s animated version of Anastasia.

  51. CO2 is a molecule composed of 2 elements , and this God given molecule is responsible for all the beautiful greens we have on earth, so stop evilize it , please.

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