By Larry Kummer, from the Fabius Maximus website.
Summary: Here are three powerful insights by Daniel Davies about predictions by experts. He used them to predict the outcome of the Iraq War. This post applies them to the public policy debate about climate change; you can use them to provide insights on other intractable problems. This is the another in a series about validating the case for public policy action to fight climate change.
Daniel Davies is a London-based analyst and stockbroker; he writes at his blog and the Leftist website Crooked Timber. Here he explains how he was able to accurately predict the disastrous outcome of our invasion of Iraq (different entirely from the theory-based predictions of those using history and 4GW). It is well-worth reading in full. His insights have great power and apply to many business and public policy issues — such as climate change. Excerpt…
… Here’s a few of the ones I learned {at business school} which I considered relevant to judging the advisability of the Second Iraq War.
Good ideas do not need lots of lies told about them in order to gain public acceptance.
I was first made aware of this during an accounting class. …
Fibbers’ forecasts are worthless.
Case after miserable case after bloody case we went through, I tell you, all of which had this moral. … If you have doubts about the integrity of a forecaster, you can’t use their forecasts at all. Not even as a “starting point”. …
The Vital Importance of Audit.
Emphasised over and over again. Brealey & Myers on Corporate Finance
has a section on this, in which they remind callow students that like backing-up one’s computer files, this is a lesson that everyone seems to have to learn the hard way.
Basically, it’s been shown time and again and again; companies which do not audit completed projects in order to see how accurate the original projections were, tend to get exactly the forecasts and projects that they deserve. Companies which have a culture where there are no consequences for making dishonest forecasts, get the projects they deserve. Companies which allocate blank cheques to management teams with a proven record of failure and mendacity, get what they deserve.
There are two distinct insights here. The first concerns our personal reasoning. The second concerns the information processing systems built by organizations. Both are essential flaws in our society that help make modern propaganda so effective.
From Stephen Covey’s “The Speed of Trust: The One Thing That Changes Everything“.
(1) The importance of credibility
“Yet in our world everybody thinks of changing humanity, and nobody thinks of changing himself.”
— Leo Tolstoy, “Three Methods Of Reform” (1900).
Both Left and Right in America have learned that their followers lack skepticism; they’ll happily believe stories so long as they fit their world view — stories that are ideologically pleasing, with proper roles for the good and bad guys. Without skepticism, credibility is too cheaply earned.
Each side clearly sees this behavior in their foes, but not in themselves (i.e., fact-checking has become a partisan game). For example, countless posts at Crooked Timber document the Right’s denial of reality (as have I). Do any document the Left’s similar misrepresentation of climate science Here are some examples of climate activists exaggerating, misrepresenting, or outright denying known climate science.
- A skillfully inaccurate article in The Guardian about climate change refugees.
- A skillfully misleading story about global warming in Alaska that’s set Twitter aflame.
- The North Pole is now a lake! Be very afraid!
- Skillful propaganda in Mother Jones about polar bears.
- Skillfully misleading articles about melting of Yosemite’s biggest glacier.
- Skillful propaganda in The New Yorker about “The Siege of Miami”.
- About “fibbers’ forecasts”: Manufacturing climate nightmares: misusing science to create horrific predictions.
Perhaps the Left’s most outrageous propaganda is their denial of what climate scientists call the “pause” or “hiatus” in the two centuries of global warming (most or all since 1950 caused by us, per the IPCC’s AR5). Scores of papers (see the links and abstracts) mark scientists’ progress through recognition of the phenomenon, analysis of its possible causes, and predictions of when it will end. Leftists work to keep their flock ignorant of this research. For examples see these articles by Joe Romm at ThinkProgress and Phil Plait at Slate..
“… first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” (Matthew 7:5).
(2) Warning about systems that lack strong audits
“Trust can trump Uncertainty.”
— Presentation by Leonard A Smith (Prof of Statistics, LSE), 6 February 2014.
The public policy debate about climate change rests almost entirely on the forecast of computer models. Forecasts of models are inherently impossible to prove; even robust testing is difficult. Furthermore the frequent misuse of models gives us reason for skepticism. Such as the bogus credit models that proved collateralized debt obligation securities (packages of mortgages, even subprime ones) were of investment grade, those making the obviously false claim that 30 thousand species go extinct every year, and the misrepresentations of the UN’s probabilistic forecast of 11 billion people by 2100.
Hindcasting is the basis given for trusting the climate models used by the IPCC, the basis given for making public policy decisions having multi-trillion dollar effects on the world economy– perhaps even changing the nature of our economic system (as urged by Pope Francis and Naomi Klein
).
Unfortunately the large literature about model validation says that hindcasting is inadequate when using the historical data with which the model was designed (e.g., for parametrization) for validation. Worse, it has failed to convince a majority of Americans despite a 27 year-long-campaign (since James Hansen’s Senate testimony), with climate change consistently ranking near or at the bottom of the public’s major policy concerns (e.g., Gallup). Rightly so, since neither the models nor their predictions have been audited by outside experts (i.e., an unaffiliated team of experts in climate, physics, software, etc).
For more about the challenge of validating climate models…
- About models, increasingly often the lens through which we see the world.
- Will a return of rising temperatures validate the IPCC’s climate models?
- We must rely on forecasts by computer models. Are they reliable?
- A frontier of climate science: the model-temperature divergence.
- Do models accurately predict climate change?
Where do we go from here?
How unprepared are we? “We don’t even plan for the past.”
— Steven Mosher (member of Berkeley Earth; bio here), a comment posted at Climate Etc.
The public policy debate has become gridlocked, giving us some choices. We can listen to the two sides bicker for another 27 years (by which time the weather will have given the answer), or we can seek ways to restart the policy debate.
Karl Popper believed that predictions were the gold standard for testing scientific theories. The public also believes this. Countless films and TV shows focus on the triumphal moment when a test proves a scientists’ prediction . Climate scientists can run such tests today for global surface temperatures. This would provide the equivalent of an audit and produce evidence about models predictive power superior than anything shown so far.
Any new approach probably will be denounced by Left or Right — or both. Let’s try new approaches, even if we have to “color outside the lines”.

My bullshit detectors are picking up “political correctness”. Emotion and concern where none are required.
Nothing to do with right or left.
Davies points out that liars should not be trusted. Philip Tetlock points out that even honest experts’ predictions are no better than those of a dart-throwing monkey. Such predictions include scientists’ hypotheses. Tetlock’s work is exhaustive, extensive, and pretty darn bullet-proof.
CAGW is a chain of hypotheses. If we assign a 50% probability (ie. dart-throwing monkey) to each link in the chain, the probability that the whole chain is accurate is about zero (even if we are being generous).
CommieBob,
Everything I’ve seen from Tetlock about the sciences is about what he calls the “soft” sciences: aka the social sciences. Can you point to something by him with that message about the physical sciences?
Most of the physical sciences rest on a “chain of hypotheses”, yet they work far better than any dart-throwing monkey.
Whatever led you to suggest Climatology might be a “physical science?
Or science of any kind?
The post title “Insights about predictions can unlock the climate change debate”
What debate? And when did this debate occur?”
Projections or predictions?
30 years of hype and zero measurement of mans impact on climate, separate from natural variations.
The CO2 magic gasser meme is fading away, the correlations are negative now.
And mounting evidence of Policy Based Evidence manufacturing, at the bequest of these very same “policy makers” you feel must make decisions while still uncertain.
The bogus certainty of the Team IPCC ™ is one of the major problems of climate policies.
Second only to deliberately vague terms.
What is this Climate Change?
Care to define your terms?
When you say climate,what definition are you using?
Sorry fabius editor but you do sound like an apologist for group deception, trying to bargain for a better self image.
Political Left Right, is all rubbish.
Parasites want to feed for free, big government schemes or UN CAGW, all good.
Good ways to rob the many to enrich the well connected.
There will be no “Better Policy” until our elected and appointed elites become terrified of the people they freeload upon and fear the end of their free ride.
Tetlock’s experiments did not involve physical scientists but he did not give them a pass on the same foibles that infest the social scientists (and the rest of society for that matter).
He clearly recognizes that physical science can be tainted by ideology.
The 50% probability I used is what statistics allows you to use if you don’t have a basis for a better number. For the statement, “electrons exist” I would assign nearly 100% certainty. For the statement “we accurately know the density of Ununtrium” I would assign nearly 0%. YMMV (Your Mileage May Vary) 🙂
CAGW is not a chain of hypotheses, it is a chain of lies aligned with enhanced statist control powered by vast wealth extracted at gunpoint, perpetuated by the greed of an endless gravy-train and protected by compliant media philosophically aligned with the statist elite.
Hansen in 88, Santer in 95, Mann in 98 and the Nobel lies of oil and strip mining tycoon Gore – to highlight some doozies. The evidence is clear of the subjugation of peer-review and FOIA processes during this period in deference to “the cause”. It is now apparent these same charlatans are repeatedly altering historical climate records, in each case nonsensically cooling the past and warming current records.
There is NO evidence that the warming since the LIA is dangerous or human caused. Global proxies demonstrate current temperatures are well below multiple periods during this interglacial. The statist models have been falsified- dramatically overstating warming and failing to reflect 18 years without warming.
Meanwhile, tens of billions of dollars flow annually from working Americans to statist coffers. Globally the price of this tragedy is far greater, with nearly a billion truly poor denizens of Gaia lacking clean water…
Sadly, the author seems to be ignorant of these truths.
“Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.” – George Orwell
These people are, literally, Orwellian.
About those railroads. James J. Hill built the Great Northern RR with no land grants and private capital. Avril Harriman and Otto Kahn of Kuhn Loeb reorganized the failing RR including the Union Pacific with private capital.
The GN was built very slowly over time from roughly 1879-1889 — running from MN to WA. It was one of the last of the 19thC transcontinental RRs, and the only privately funded one.
The first being completed in 1869, and others in the next few decades. America grew rapidly because the government rapidly built the infrastructure that let it grow. It takes amazing amnesia to ignore this.
Fulfilling one of the two defined roles of our federal government- facilitating interstate commerce. The other is protecting our nation. Extracting resources from my family to pay for protected sex for law students is an example of how far “off the tracks” we’ve gone…
“…companies which do not audit completed projects in order to see how accurate the original projections were, tend to get exactly the forecasts and projects that they deserve. Companies which have a culture where there are no consequences for making dishonest forecasts, get the projects they deserve. Companies which allocate blank cheques to management teams with a proven record of failure and mendacity, get what they deserve.”
Is someone teaching people to put a comma after a subject clause? Or is it simply that the internet is revealing just how widespread ignorance of punctuation is?
I don’t think they teach diagraming of sentences or punctuation anymore period.
Perhaps, he muses parenthetically, it is a missing comma rather than an extra one?
This is one of most crap texts i have read in WWUT.
– There were WMD in Iraq while the link in website said None.
– I don’t see anything that predicts failure in Iraq. Btw what is failure in Iraq?
Is Iraq hostile to USA like Saddam Regime?
The only salvation is that at least is not, not even wrong. Can be falsified. And it is false.
Fabius Maximus
Catastrophic global warming (CGW) agitprop was replaced by more ‘friendly’ sounding Catastrophic climate change agitprop and now there attempts to move towards the Catastrophic environmental change agitprop.
Names may mutate from one to the next but the agitation and propaganda is the fundamental to the process.
vukcevic,
“the agitation and propaganda is the fundamental to the process.”
Yes. Activists (including activist scientists) took control of and dominated the public policy debate. Which is imo the primary reason it has failed despite so much effort over 27 years.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/08/17/how-we-broke-the-climate-change-debates-lessons-learned-for-the-future/
Ed,
“Yes. Activists (including activist scientists) took control of and dominated the public policy debate. Which is imo the primary reason it has failed despite so much effort over 27 years.”
To my mind (such as it is ; ) you seem to have generated a very tricky rhetorical split right there . . What is the “it” that you feel has failed?
To me, it’s like there was a mugger that tried to take a woman’s purse, and she held on to it despite some blows being thrown at her . . and you are describing that as the failure of a debate . . rather than a successful resistance to money changing hands as the mugger wished . .
Well said. Please visit the links in the article to the Fabius Maximus site. There you will see that the authors think that anyone who doesn’t agree with the “majority of IPCC climate scientists” is “unhinged”.
These people are like the Muslim “interfaith” outreach – it all goes one way. Fabius Maximus pleads for constructive dialog, but calls you “unhinged” if you don’t agree with the IPCC’s CAGW.
These people are just sly about their motives – and stunningly poorly informed. They need to listen to US, not the other way around. But they are so convinced they are ‘morally superior’ for being above partisanship – all the while they are criticizing us for disputing the mugging and the mugger’s motives.
I’m really disappointed with WUWT for putting this up. Not because it is an alternative point-of-view, which would be welcome when backed with data, but because Fabius Maximus is ignorant of many facts (looking at their website’s memes, which are Far Left and denying well-known facts). This article is a subtle propaganda move for us to shift to the narrative of the mugger – all the while ignoring the facts we know about it which invalidate the mugger’s claimed reason for mugging.
John,
The public policy debate about climate change has failed because we are unprepared
… not just for almost certain climate change (e.g., seas have been rising for millennia (Sandy showed NYC’s preparations for a big storm were almost nil),
…but also for the inevitable return of past extreme weather (hurricanes of the size that hit NYC in the 20th C)..
That’s simple prudence, of the sort that distinguishes great nations from 3rd world nations. That’s failure to agree on measures that should command broad support. But both sides are having such fun!
Ed,
“The public policy debate about climate change has failed because we are unprepared ”
The “debate” has only been about CO2 causing global warming, it seems to me sir . . no one I am aware of has resisted/protested things like a city preparing for possible flooding . . The very fact that you play such “shell games” with the central issue of the “public policy debate” in question, causes me to see you as a con artist, frankly.
Visit the Fabius Maximus site. This is a complete con, all the while pretending that it is above ‘petty partisanship’. But when you visit their site you see that they call anyone who is skeptical of the IPCC AR5 conclusions as “unhinged”.
It is hard to know whether Fabius Maximus is deluded (since they are ignorant of important facts) or dishonest. Either way, they’d be better off putting the megaphone down and *listening* until they are up to speed.
ps. for non-English readers, ‘con’ is a ‘confidence trick’, used by scammers to steal or manipulate.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/02/05/tragic-winter-weather-in-europe-doesnt-fit-the-mannian-narrative/#comment-885438
[excerpt]
Let’s talk predictive track record.
None of the IPCC’s scary predictions of runaway global warming have materialized.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/10/09/are-we-chasing-imaginary-numbers/#comment-2047103
[excerpt]
One’s predictive track record is an objective measure of one’s technical competence, and based on its negative predictive track record, the IPCC has NO credibility.
‘Both Left and Right in America have learned that their followers lack skepticism’
Lefty projection.
This whole rhetorical concoction is a confluence of LW projection and LW lies. This guy still doesn’t get it- CAGW is a LW construct DEVOID of any scientific evidence. Which is why, accurately, conservatives don’t buy the crap and we’re tired of paying for it.
BTW Ed, you are aware it was the Clinton Admin that linked Saddam and Al Qaeda and the potential dangers posed by the delivery of WMD to the terrorist group?
Here are the “two sides” of the “debate”: One side – the Climatists uses lies to promote their Greenie ideology.
The other side – the Skeptics/Climate Realists just want the truth about climate. There is no level playing field here. The Climate Liars have had all the power. The truth is winning out, slowly, but it has been an uphill battle.
I would like to return to the opening paragraphs of the subject article. It seems to me that not enough attention is being paid to the temperature record from 1880 to the present. That record seems to be sending a message about our past temperatures and what we can expect in the future. A perusal of that record seems to reveal a predictable pattern of temperature change. It shows alternating periods of warming and pauses in warming that are about thirty years in duration. Thus an observer in the 1980’s or 1990’s, after studying the the available global temperature record, might well have predicted that another pause in warming would probably begin shortly after the year 2000. Taking into consideration that climatologists believe we entered a longer range 500 year warming period beginning around 1850, the observer could also conclude that we would probably see the beginning of another thirty year period of warming beginning when the current pause ends around the year 2030. If, in fact, the changeover from pause to warming does occur at that time then maybe more import will be given to the global temperature record as a predictor. Hopefully the officials charged with maintaining that record will not have been politically corrupted to the point that they distort the record and end its usefulness. One more thing. I find it hard to accept that the carbon dioxide in our atmosphere at 400 PPM is at all effective at slowing the heat loss from the Earth’s surface. That level of carbon dioxide is more like a flimsy veil then a heat blanket. A gas that represents one part of 2500 parts of air is an extremely small essence not a global climate change giant.
That’s a good point. But I think the best perspective so far is the 10000 year view from the Holocene Climatic Optimum.
Jo Nova has a wonderful visualization of the data, here:
http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/lappi/gisp-last-10000-new.png
Puts everything to perspective, doesn’t it ? 🙂
my new favorite commenter: Moa
perspicacious, logical, literate.
make room on the bench, DB.
Haha, I’m humbled. Actually, I learned much from you guys.
The Free World can win against these Collectivist scumbags – and thanks to my fellow netizens I’m locked and loaded with lots of FACTS 🙂
Thanks to your all – and to you gnomish for the kind words of encouragement.
Yes, it does. It gives a telling idea of how overblown is much of the concern about our current temperature change. Especially when one considers that Man has lived through much warmer periods.
Not just lived through, but prospered during.
Do any document the Left’s similar misrepresentation of climate science
Do any document the Left’s similar misrepresentation of climate science?
Bill Everett said”I would like to return to the opening paragraphs of the subject article. It seems to me that not enough attention is being paid to the temperature record from 1880 to the present.”
The subject article does not discuss the temperature record at all, not in the opening paragraphs, not any where. It barely talks about climate at all, so returning to it serves what purpose?
Thanks for all you have done (and will do) to further truth, Anthony. However, I’m not sure what is accomplished by the publication of a litany of LW constructs starkly contradicted by reality at every turn. The links were painful: Bush lied about WMD? Republicans are whacko because they don’t believe the Mann/Hansen/Holdren lies? Sounds like this guy worships the journo-list and lives Lewandowsky.
The best to the WUWT family in 2016 and thanks to the fabulous contributors that have made this site as interesting and informative as anywhere in our cyber library.
Aphan, You make my point. Climate is discussed in the article and there is no interest shown in the record of global temperatures which, I believe, contains information that can allow prediction of future temperature behavior.
Bill Everett said”I would like to return to the opening paragraphs of the subject article. It seems to me that not enough attention is being paid to the temperature record from 1880 to the present.”
I replied-“The subject article does not discuss the temperature record at all, not in the opening paragraphs, not any where. It barely talks about climate at all, so returning to it serves what purpose?”
Bill Everett said-“Aphan, You make my point. Climate is discussed in the article and there is no interest shown in the record of global temperatures which, I believe, contains information that can allow prediction of future temperature behavior.”
Because the FOCUS of the article is not on what constitutes climate, or what can or cannot be proven by climate science/ or the temperature record, or anything else. The author tells us this in the opening paragraphs of the subject article:
“This post applies them [the insights of Daniel Davis] to the public policy debate about climate change; you can use them to provide insights on other intractable problems. This is the another in a series about validating the case for public policy action to fight climate change.”
Returning to the opening paragraphs only proves MY point… the POINT of the article is not CLIMATE, it is something else entirely. You can, and should, make whatever point you wish to about the temperature record from 1880 to the present, and not enough attention being paid to it any time you wish. But since the article isn’t about that, in any way, “what purpose does it serve to return to the opening paragraphs of the article?”
General McChrystal …
was reportedly known for saying and thinking what other military leaders were afraid to.
Regards – Hans