Palestinian Climate Change

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

Very short post. I read today that Palestine has been granted full member status in the UNFCCC, the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change.palestine at unesco

I also recall from a few years ago that when Palestine was admitted to UNESCO, the US had to cut off funds to UNESCO because of US law. As an article at the time said, this was the result of “US laws that force an automatic funding cutoff for any UN agency with Palestine as a member” …

Do I see an opportunity for our lawmakers here? Yep. Will they act on it? Possibly not, but if it is indeed the law, seems like they could be forced to act …

Best to all, and I do hope some organization with money and legal resources takes up this question. At least the US could stop pouring money down a rathole, even if the rest of the world continued the lunacy.

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LarryFine
December 25, 2015 2:19 pm

Here are a couple of interesting factoids.
The people who call themselves Palestinians are related to Syrian Arabs in both language family and DNA haplogroups. Since they don’t have the letter “p” in their alphabet (like the Philistines did), they cannot even spell the words “Palestine” or “Palestinian”. And since they’re not related to any Mediterranean “sea people” (as the Philistines were), they can’t lay ancient claims to the lands they now occupy.
Time to put this fable to bed.

Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  LarryFine
December 25, 2015 2:49 pm

Larry,
It’s not a fable but a fact. Of course they can lay a claim to the land which their families have occupied for hundreds if not thousands of years. The Palestinian Christian towns cleansed by Israel in the 1948 war to connect West Jerusalem with the coast had, for instance been Christian since the 1st century. St. Agapius of Palestine was a native of Gaza, martyred along with seven others during Diocletian’s Great Persecution, c. AD 303. Even earlier examples exist, such as St. George, from Lydda, now Lod, site of Ben Gurion Airport. As you may know, one of the most infamous episodes in the 1948 Palestinian Diaspora was the exodus from Lydda and nearby Ramle of 50,000 to 70,000 Arabs, mostly Christian, expelled when Israeli troops captured the towns in July that year.
Of course Palestinians are related to Syrian Arabs. Of course they speak the Levantine dialect of Arabic. So what? Their ancestors spoke the Semitic languages Phoenician, Canaanite, Hebrew and Aramaic, as well as the Indo-European tongue of the Philistines. Three thousand years ago, Arabic and Hebrew were dialects of the same West Semitic language, and, as the OT shows, Arabs already lived then in the Holy Land.
That they speak Arabic now doesn’t mean that they aren’t descended from the biblical inhabitants of Palestine. Most people in the British Isles are descended from ancient Britons, to include the Paleolithic inhabitants, but the vast majority speak English, the language of the Germanic invaders, as modified by later French invaders. While some speak Welsh and Gaelic, no one still speaks whatever was spoken there in 1200 BC.
The majority of Israelis, by contrast, are of European (Ashkenazi) or North African (Sephardic) ancestry, plus some from Iran, and of course the ancestors of Eastern European Jews were mainly Khazars. Many Palestinians are to be sure also descended from more recent immigrants to the British Mandate, like Arafat.
I have a lot of respect for what Israelis have achieved, and have myself gained from their work, having for a decade consulted for an Israeli biotech. But facts are facts, admitted by honest Jewish Israeli historians. And Rabin, who himself expelled Arab Christians from the Lydda and Ramle areas. Some from Lydda died en route to the safety of Arab Legion lines. The refugees from Ramle were luckier. They were bused out under the IDF’s guns.

Soolomon Green
Reply to  Gloateus Maximus
December 26, 2015 4:12 am

Gloateus Maximus:
“The majority of Israelis, by contrast, are of European (Ashkenazi) or North African (Sephardic) ancestry, plus some from Iran, and of course the ancestors of Eastern European Jews were mainly Khazars.”
http://www.cija.ca/resource/israel-the-basics/demographics-of-israel/
“The majority of the world’s Jewish population are Ashkenazim, tracing their ancestry to Europe, In Israel, Sephardic Jews, who descend from communities in the Middle East and North Africa, account for just over half (52%) of the Jewish population. There is also a small population (approximately 125,000) of Ethiopian Jews who account for 1% of the Israeli Jewish population.”
Actually with intermarriage between the Aahkenazi, Sephardi and Mizrahi communities it is becoming more difficult to assert that any single community is larger than any other.
Gloateus Maximus:
“The Palestinian Christian towns cleansed by Israel in the 1948 war to connect West Jerusalem with the coast had, for instance been Christian since the 1st century.”
And, while the clearing of Arab Christian towns and villages did occur in 1948 during the Israeli war of independence it is worth mentioning that since then Israel is the only country in the Muddle East where the Christian community has increased and is still increasing.

Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  Gloateus Maximus
December 26, 2015 5:24 am

Soolomon,
True, however the Christian population is growing more slowly than either the Jewish or Muslim, and around a fifth of “Christians” are only nominal. They’re ex-Soviets who were able to immigrate to Israel thanks to a Jewish grandparent. The 80% who are Arab Christians or long-established Armenian or European Christians still constitute a small fraction of the Christian share of population of Mandate Palestine in 1948 and even less of population before the first Aliyah. There are more Druze than Arab Christians in Israel.
There are now somewhat more Arab Christians in Israel and the Palestinian Territories than in Mandate Palestine in 1947. The population of Israel and Palestine however has increased about seven-fold. Today Israel has about 8.2 million people and 5.1 million in the Palestinian Territories. The Mandate had around 1.9 million people in 1947, but I don’t know if that included Trans-Jordanian Palestine or not. Most Palestinian Christians are in the Diaspora.

MRW
Reply to  LarryFine
December 25, 2015 3:02 pm

And Hebrew doesn’t have the letter “J.” So what does that prove?
http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/148399/if-the-letter-j-is-only-400-500-years-old-was-there-a-j-sound-that-preceded-the
Filistina is on all the ancient maps of the area. Consult the University of Texas collection.

Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  LarryFine
December 25, 2015 3:12 pm

Mods,
I posted a long, respectful reply to Larry, which hasn’t appeared yet. Am I being moderated or is there some other holdup? Thanks.
Merry Christmas!
GM

Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  Gloateus Maximus
December 25, 2015 3:14 pm

Here is the draft of it that I saved. Final version was longer. Please excuse double posting if that version appears later. Thanks.
Larry,
It’s not a fable but a fact. Of course they can lay a claim to the land which their families have occupied for hundreds if not thousands of years. The Palestinian Christian towns cleansed by Israel in the 1948 war to connect West Jerusalem with the coast had, for instance, been Christian since the 1st century. St. Agapius of Palestine was a native of Gaza, martyred along with seven others during Diocletian’s Great Persecution, c. AD 303. Even earlier examples exist, such as St. George, from Lydda, now Lod, site of Ben Gurion Airport. As you may know, one of the most infamous episodes in the 1948 Palestinian Diaspora was the exodus from Lydda and nearby Ramle of 50,000 to 70,000 Arabs, mostly Christian, expelled when Israeli troops captured the towns in July that year.
Of course Palestinians are related to Syrian Arabs. Of course they speak the Levantine dialect of Arabic. So what? Their ancestors spoke the Semitic languages Phoenician, Canaanite, Hebrew and Aramaic, as well as the Indo-European tongue of the Philistines. Three thousand years ago, Arabic and Hebrew were dialects of the same West Semitic language, and, as the OT shows, Arabs already lived then in the Holy Land.
That they speak Arabic now doesn’t mean that they aren’t descended from the biblical inhabitants of Palestine. Most people in the British Isles are descended from ancient Britons, to include the Paleolithic inhabitants, but the vast majority speak English, the language of the Germanic invaders, as modified by later French invaders. While some speak Welsh and Gaelic, no one still speaks whatever was spoken there in 1200 BC.
The majority of Israelis, by contrast, are of European (Ashkenazi) or North African (Sephardic) ancestry, plus some from Iran, and of course the ancestors of Eastern European Jews were mainly Khazars.
I have a lot of respect for what Israelis have achieved, and have myself gained from their work, having for a decade consulted for an Israeli biotech. But facts are facts.

Reply to  Gloateus Maximus
December 25, 2015 4:44 pm

Gloateus Maximus December 25, 2015 at 3:14 pm
That they speak Arabic now doesn’t mean that they aren’t descended from the biblical inhabitants of Palestine.
Being descendants of them and being an identifiable group called “Palestinians” are two different things. The “Palestinians” were invented for political purposes and have been abused by the world powers who invented them, by their Arab “brothers” and by their own incredibly inept and brazenly corrupt leadership. This is the tragedy of the Palestinian people. They most harm they have suffered has been at the hands of those who have used them for their own corrupt and inhumane politics.

Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  Gloateus Maximus
December 26, 2015 4:54 am

David,
The Palestinians have been no more invented than the Syrians, Lebanese, Jordanians, Iraqis, Egyptians, Sudanese, Libyans, Tunisians, Algerians and Moroccans, the boundaries of which majority Arabic-speaking states were also drawn by imperial powers. If the borders were based upon Arabic dialects, yes, then there would be a single Levantine state, a Mesopotamian state, including Aramaic and Mandean speakers but ideally not Kurds or Turkomen, a large Maghrebian state, including Berber speakers, and something like Egypt, the Arabic of which contains various related sub-dialects of accents, plus of course the Coptic Christian language.
The difference in the case of Palestine is that along with drawing the borders, the imperial powers, Turkey and Britain, also permitted millions of non-Muslim, non-Christian and non-Arabic European and later, under Israel, North African, immigrants to settle in that small area, displacing up to a million of its indigenous Muslim and Christian population and driving them into refugee camps.

Reply to  Gloateus Maximus
December 26, 2015 9:10 am

Gloateus Maximus December 25, 2015 at 3:12 pm
displacing up to a million of its indigenous Muslim and Christian population and driving them into refugee camps.
That is a gross misrepresentation of history. If you are going to continue this discourse, I challenge you sir to post under your own name rather than hiding behind a pseudonym. For those who give a d*mn, and aren’t already entrenched in one position of hate or another, here’s the (admitted) very short version of an extremely complex matter:
1. In 1947 there were no Palestinians. There were only Arabs and Jews living in place loosely called Palestine.
2. In 1947, the UN enacted the Palestine Partition plan which called for the State of Israel to be created in 1948 and an Arabic state called Palestine to be created in 1949.
3. On the birth of Israel in 1948, the Arab countries attacked attempting to destroy Israel. On doing do so, they over ran the West Bank and the Gaza strip, which constituted the majority of the land promised to a Palestinian state.
4. One of the consequences of the war was that a lot of people got displaced, and when the shooting stopped there were new borders and lot of people standing on the wrong side of the border. It was a war, evil things happen in a war, and this is one of the consequences.
5. So yes, hundreds of thousands of Arabs got displaced. A little known side effect is that about the same number of Jews were forced from their homes into Israel by the Arab states.
6. For the next 19 years, the Palestinian quest for a state was stymied by….Egypt and Jordan, who occupied Gaza and the West Bank respectively. They could have turned it over to the Palestinians to create a state of their own, but they had no interest in doing so. Their only interest was in having a border with Israel they could launch another war from. The Palestinians were kept in abject misery, with hatred for Israel fomented among them to produce a steady supply of terrorists.
7. In the 1967 war, Israel captured Gaza and the West Bank from Egypt and Jordan respectively.
8. Since then, Israel has been attempting to trade both territories for a peace deal.
9. Palestinian leadership has been looting the treasury and abusing the Palestinian people ever since. Arafat went so far as to take the cement donated by Egypt to rebuild Gaza and sell it to Israeli contractors building the fence he railed about in public, and pocket the money. In all, he may have looted the Palestinian treasury of over a Billion dollars, which his wife and daughter now spend freely on themselves. If anyone think Mahmoud Abbas is any different, they are fools.
So…. were people displaced? Yes. War is an ugly thing. Were hundreds of thousands of Jews displaced as well as hundreds of thousands of Arabs? Yes. But here is the big question. Who paid in blood to capture the land promised to the “Palestinians” and then turn control of it over to them? Not the United Nations who promised it to them and then for 19 years were silently complicit with Egypt and Jordan, not their Arab brothers in Egypt and Jordan, who, for 19 years could have, with the stroke of a pen, turned it over to them, but in fact they received it from the hated Jews who fought wars and paid in blood in order to do that.
The suffering the Palestinian people is one of the grotesque tragedies of history. But they have been abused primarily by their Arab “brothers” and by their blatantly corrupt leadership.

Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  Gloateus Maximus
December 26, 2015 10:47 am

David,
Talk about gross misrepresentation!
Jewish settlers in Palestine moved into the territory allotted to or captured by Israel. To compare that with permanent refugee status in other countries would be ludicrous if not obscene.
Israel forcibly drove people from their homes in land their families had occupied for thousands of years, and have not been allowed back. To say, that’s war doesn’t cut it. Before Arab armies came to the rescue of Palestinians, Jewish terrorists had been driving Arabs from their land for decades. During the war, tens or hundreds of thousands of Europeans flooded into Israel. The only competent army among the newly independent Arab states was Jordan’s Arab Legion, which intentionally didn’t attack into land assigned by the UN to Israel, because he hoped to benefit from the Jewish state.
To this day, Arab Israelis are third class citizens. Israel still has no written constitution because it would have to enshrine theocratic rule, with Jewish Israelis as first class citizens, Samaritans, Druze and Christians second class and Muslims as third class, based upon their military status, for example.
Israel’s right to exist is the same as any other conqueror’s, but that hardly affords it any moral high ground. Sorry, but you’ve bought into Israeli propaganda, designed for consumption in the US. Israelis in Israel know the score.

vlparker
December 26, 2015 6:33 am

Would be nice, but neither laws nor common sense seem to have any effect on politicians.

Soolomon Green
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
December 26, 2015 12:05 pm

“I was going to reply to Gloateus Maximus, but in view of Willis’s very reasonable request, I would just wish both of them all the best for 2016.

Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  Soolomon Green
December 26, 2015 2:25 pm

שלום עליי אדמות; רצון טוב לגברים.
السلام على الأرض؛ النوايا الحسنة للرجال.
Ειρήνη στη γη; καλή θέληση με τους άνδρες.
Pacem in Terra da; hominibus bonae voluntatis.
Sorry I can’t do Aramaic, the language of the Essene Jewish, 1st century itinerant rural Syrian/Galilean/Palestinian preacher Yeshua and His Disciples.

ldd
December 26, 2015 3:13 pm

Thanks Willis, given the teeny-tiny sliver of land; this tiny prosperous country, Israel is surrounded by Arab-Muslim countries – not so prosperous to say the least- very pathetic that they get away with beating up on Israel at the rathole that is the UN, but nothing against any of these other countries with extremely horrific human rights abuses.
Like when are Gaza’s next elections again? Tyrannical barbaric rulers ok with UN…
All I can say is Always Live Israel.
Belated Merry Christmas to you as well Willis. 🙂

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December 30, 2015 6:49 pm

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