Gruber Thinking in Climate Science: Disconnect Between Academia And The Real World.

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Guest opinion: Dr. Tim Ball

There are many parallels between the Jonathan Gruber story and what has occurred in climate science. Gruber used a computer model to produce justification for a US national healthcare system. This parallels the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) use of computer models produced to justify the need for international climate control. They both claim their models are accurate and solid as the basis for draconian policy changes. They both fail to understand that playing with models in a university requires they satisfy research and scientific standards. We don’t know if they do, because so much of what they produce that is critical to proper analysis, such as computer codes, is proprietary. Gruber’s models are proprietary, even if the taxpayer pays him and they are the basis for public policy. They both fail to understand that a different set of standards and responsibilities are applied when you take your lab work in to the public forum.

From The University To the Real World

There are social consequences, as Gruber discovered when he appeared before Congress on December 9, 2014. Paul Driessen has written on the consequences often on WUWT. Gruber’s appearance underscored the distance between academia and the real world. It is a distance I have experienced and confronted during my 25-year academic career. A distance demonstrated by Gruber and throughout the 6000 emails leaked from the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia and countless other horror stories that never reach the public.

I was aware of this distance as a mature student going back to university after military service. I experienced the distance as a faculty member and did many things to bring the world into the university for students. It is a gap academia wants to exist, because if people knew how little they do and what is actually going on, funding would be mostly withdrawn. Faculty does very little teaching. They produce very little research, most of which is to further their career. Other faculty members judge their performance, in a truly incestuous, backbiting system. I could fill a book with my personal knowledge of faculty and academic horror stories.

A colleague (?) at the university where I taught said, in a discussion about teaching, that he was a professor, not a teacher. If the students didn’t understand what he professed, that was their problem, not his. Faculty is hired on the basis of university qualifications, which is usually a doctorate in a very specialized area of research. They are not required to have any training in teaching and may only have a smattering of experience after being graduate students. It appears politicians are the only group in society less qualified for a major part of their job, than university professors. The Department chair told me I was an entertainer, to which I replied, if the students don’t attend or fall asleep, the lecture is a waste of time. Gruber implies he was forced to deceive because the public is stupid and wouldn’t understand. No Sir, the failure is your ability to communicate the truth. Worse, your argument is designed to cover a deliberate deception and that you did well. The IPCC achieved the same deceptions with their Summary for Policymakers (SPM).

Universities abhor the demand for relevance and accountability. Look at the cover-ups they participated in with regard to information exposed by the leaked emails from the Climatic Research Unit (CRU). What they fear is exposure to the real world of how little is actually going on. Most of what they do is perpetuate the secrecy and thus maintain their unique and bizarre world.

I fought this darkness through my time in the university. I hung a picture frame with no picture on my office window with a label that said, The Real World”. I never gave a lecture without starting with a news item that related to what we were studying in the course. I gave all my own lectures and set and marked all my own exams and papers. I served on many committees at all levels of government for real world experience. I apologized to one class about not having as many office hours as I would like because of these commitments. The students said they appreciated that their professor had credibility in the real world. Besides, they appreciated the real world examples I brought into the classroom. For example, in a water resources class, the class project involved participation in a commission of inquiry over conflict about a real lake. The students were divided into small groups representing different segments of those affected. In the last week of the course they made presentations to me as the Commission. I also organized a Toastmasters group on campus because most students would need these skills in their careers in the real world. I visited schools and invited high school classes to sit in on my university classes. My department told me that all these activities were a waste of my time, yet I produced more research most years than for the entire department.

Universities Are Self–created, Self-perpetuating, Anachronistic Systems.

The reality is that university education is not for everybody. Despite that society makes the assumption that every child entering kindergarten will end up in university. This, by default, makes failures of a majority of society. Even for those who get in, most students just passing with a C average, are simply getting grades 13, 14, and 15, in what is really only a socially acceptable form of unemployment. Meanwhile the majority, with a multitude of other talents needed in society, is denigrated and made to feel inferior by the academic community. Consider Gruber’s arrogance. Besides, most faculty members only tolerate students in order to maintain funding to protect their jobs. Using graduate students to do their teaching is an abrogation of their teaching responsibility, but they get away with it. I heard one faculty member say, if we could just get rid of the students this would be a great place to work. But it is academics who set up and maintain the system. They decide on what is a valuable type of intelligence and impose that on society. To my knowledge there is no university or college that offers a course in common sense. If they did they would have to bring a person from outside to teach it.

There are few better examples of academic arrogance and their belief that the end justifies the means than in a series of recorded presentations featuring Jonathan Gruber. In one of the academic presentations, the audience laughed in sympathy with Gruber’s portrayal of the people as stupid. The end was establishment of the Affordable Health Care (Obamacare) plan. He was recorded on many occasions referring to the deceptions taken to fool a stupid public, who were incapable of understanding economics that were simple for his superior brain and abilities. In Congressional testimony, forced by public and political reaction, he apologized for his remarks, but insisted the end was still worth it. No it isn’t! If it were, it wouldn’t need the deception.

In his article Give Gruber a Break”, Charles Battig describes Economist Gruber’s views and statements as being normal in the academic world. After 25 years of grappling with that world, I agree, but know that most people don’t know what is “normal” in the so – called Ivory Tower. Remember, the communications within the leaked emails was defined as normal scientific banter. As Clive Crook explained,

The closed-mindedness of these supposed men of science, their willingness to go to any lengths to defend a preconceived message, is surprising even to me. The stink of intellectual corruption is overpowering. And, as Christopher Booker said, this scandal is not at the margins of the politicised IPCC process. It is not tangential to the policy prescriptions emanating from what David Henderson called the environmental policy milieu. It goes to the core of that process.

This and my experiences support the Wikipedia definition of the Ivory Tower.

From the 19th century, it has been used to designate a world or atmosphere where intellectuals engage in pursuits that are disconnected from the practical concerns of everyday life. It usually carries pejorative connotations of a willful disconnect from the everyday world: esoteric, over-specialized, or even useless research, and academic elitism.

 

It fits my experience as a student, graduate student and faculty member. The phrase that an idea is, “purely academic” means it is irrelevant to the real world. I can make these judgments because of work experience in government, private business, industry, and the military. I joked about retiring from academia because there was so much scar tissue on my back, there was no place left to put a knife. Academics want the scars they inflict to remain visible. Many have written for centuries about the vicious and nasty politics of universities as Battig identified.

Overall universities are a fraud. How much longer before a student at Harvard sues for false advertising? They go, expecting courses from professors, but end up with graduate students giving the class. These graduate students are indentured servants working for very low wages and little different from serfs, which is appropriate, because universities are mediaeval institutions being dragged kicking and screaming into the 18th century. If you want to see vestiges of the medieval, witness the Elizabethan gowns and hats they wear at convocations. I am no fan of Prince Philip, but maybe as a vestige of medievalism himself, he recognizes what is going on when he said universities are the only true incestuous system in our society. Almost everybody who is working there is a product. Most executives, presidents, vice presidents and Deans and middle management positions, such as department chairs, are academics. How many are given the welcoming lecture that this is not job training, other than in professional schools like law and medicine, but then never told what it is doing.

Economist John Maynard Keynes said,

Education: The inculcation of the incomprehensible into the indifferent by the incompetent.

He should know because he is the economist who convinced politicians that you get out of debt by going further in to debt. Gruber says people are too stupid to understand economics. Maybe, but they know better than Gruber or Keynes, that economics is purely and simply the balance between money coming in and going out – nothing more. What is even more galling about Gruber is, he knows the public understand this. It is why he admitted hiding the truth that with Obamacare generally more goes out than comes in for individuals and for government.

Failed Predictions; A Measure Of Disconnect.

There is a basic reason why economic predictions fail and it relates to Gruber’s assumption that people are stupid. He thinks they will react in a certain way because he, in his brilliance, has designed a system that forces their reaction. A scientific prediction is either right or wrong. When an economic prediction is made, people, especially the influential, react and modify their behavior, almost always invalidating the prediction. Welcome to the real world, Mr. Gruber. IPCC has done the same. They assumed nature and people would function and react in a certain way. Increased CO2 would result in increasing temperatures. Both were assuming ceteris paribus, but it never is because of feedbacks in nature and human behavior.

Gruber accused people of not understanding economics. He should consider that it has long been known as “the dismal science”, so-named by Thomas Carlyle, because of the failed predictions of Thomas Malthus. This provides a connection to the current failed climate predictions of the IPCC, which are neo-Malthusian. The Club of Rome expanded the idea that overpopulation would exhaust food resources and all resources. Maurice Strong, in Agenda 21, at the 1992 Rio Conference, narrowed the focus to the industrial nations. Reducing their impact was achieved by “scientifically” identifying CO2 as their exhaust and falsely claiming it was causing run away global warming.

This identification of a single variable, as almost the sole cause, also aligns climate science with economics. It is said that economic predictions fail because they try to predict the tide by measuring one wave. The IPCC have done the same thing by using the Summary for Policymakers (SPM) to oversimplify, exaggerate and misrepresent what the science actually shows.

My presentations at three Heartland Climate Conferences all spoke to the failure to communicate the skeptical side of global warming. At the first Heartland in New York, only a few in the audience came up after and acknowledged what I actually said. They were all non-scientists, but also communicators. One in particular, Marita Noon, was also in attendance at the 2014 Heartland in Las Vegas; we spent considerable time discussing the issue of helping the public understand. Marita has focused on and done a very good job with the energy sector, who often know the science is bad, but is in no position to voice or act on that. In New York, I pointed out that Al Gore’s movie was a superb piece of propaganda that would likely make Leni Riefenstahl proud. Gore employed Hollywood to produce, because they know how to manipulate people’s emotions. Gore’s Oscar was justified, based on Hollywood values.

The Enemy Within

Judith Curry wrote a revealing summary of reflections on the fifth anniversary of Climategate. It references an early Curry commentary on Steve Mcintyre’s site titled, “On the credibility of climate research.” In that article Curry provides examples of Ivory Tower thinking.

 

Climate tribalism. Tribalism is defined here as a strong identity that separates one’s group from members of another group, characterized by strong in-group loyalty and regarding other groups differing from the tribe’s defining characteristics as inferior. In the context of scientific research, tribes differ from groups of colleagues that collaborate and otherwise associate with each other professionally.

After becoming more knowledgeable about the politics of climate change (both the external politics and the internal politics within the climate field), I became concerned about some of the tribes pointing their guns inward at other climate researchers who question their research or don’t pass various loyalty tests.

I am grateful for Judith Curry’s experience and explanation of them. It illustrates the Ivory Tower situation well, and how those within can’t or don’t want to see what is going on. It all seems “normal”. It is another carry over of the medieval situation in universities, when they effectively won the “town and gown” battle and generally, only go to town if funding is threatened. Curry appears to have stumbled on the realities of academia and what was going on in the outside world in climate science. In the true spirit of open debate Curry commendably welcomed Steve McIntyre to her university, Georgia Tech, in 2008. Ms. Curry knew the debate wasn’t over and the science wasn’t settled. It appears the reactions Ms. Curry experienced were a surprise and a revelation. As McIntyre explained,

Readers of this blog should realize that Judy Curry has been (undeservedly) criticized within the climate science community for inviting me to Georgia Tech.

Until you push back against the tribe, you have no idea how hard and nasty they react. Often the worst reactions come from within academia. The false information on the web about me came from a former colleague. Another wrote a three-page letter, that a lawyer said was libelous, saying I had no right to be on radio, television or speaking in public.

Beyond that, it appears that I am a challenge for alarmists because they couldn’t say I wasn’t qualified, although they tried, and I was able to explain complex climate science in ways the public understood. The latter ability was honed by teaching a science credit for arts students, making a multitude of public presentations, co-authoring a climate textbook, publishing peer-reviewed articles, and teaching climatology to large (300+) classes for 25 years. I knew my colleagues saw my teaching ability as a handicap. They assume teaching and research are mutually exclusive.

I am not surprised by the inability of climate skeptics to communicate with the real world. They are, for the most part, products of the Ivory Tower. They have all the problems associated, further complicated by an inability to compete, because the climate claims of the IPCC are political, not scientific.

It is time to close most universities, or better still convert them to trade training. If society really wants more equity and an education that meets its needs, then society must consider a tradesperson of more value than an economist or most other university graduates. Most societies, that the academics would call “primitive”, prepare their children for the real world. For the most part, we don’t.

A professor is a man whose job is to tell students how to solve problems of life, which he himself has tried to avoid by becoming a professor.

Anonymous.

A professor is one who talks in someone else’s sleep.

W.H.Auden.

Education: that which discloses to the wise and disguises from the foolish their lack of understanding.

Ambrose Bierce

You can always tell a Harvard man – but you can’t tell him much.

Elbert Hubbard.

The reason universities are so full of knowledge is that students come with so much and leave with so little.

Marshall McLuhan

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December 12, 2014 4:40 pm

The disconnection is between Theories of Science in real Academic World and Pseudoscience trying to imply that there is a disconnection between empiri and “Real World” using Ad Hominem and Appealing to fear (both Fallacies ) in the argumentation for their new Faith. The new Faith of IPCC: Humans are Universe’s centre
Where have all the Money gone?

Tom Harley
December 12, 2014 4:57 pm

Thanks, Dr Ball, explains everything.

Tom Harley
Reply to  Tom Harley
December 12, 2014 5:39 pm

In moderation? Must be the ‘f’ word in the ABC title.

mike
Reply to  Tom Harley
December 13, 2014 4:40 am

Yr: “It gets worse”
Google: “national geographic 5 takeaways from LIma” and you will see a picture of a coal-fired power plant with the following words beneath the image, “Clouds of smoke billow from a coal-fired power plant at the Mount Storm facility in West Virginia”.
But then, “IT GETS WORSE”!!!–a closer scrutiny of the picture reveals that “smoke” is not only rising from the plant’s “smoke”-stacks but “smoke” is also rising from the body of water in the foreground of the picture–HOLY “SMOKES”!!! You know, I can’t help but get a little “steamed-up” at this Gruberesque display of eco-claptrap, aimed at that segment of the American public–brainwashed lefties and useful-fool parvenus, consumed with status-anxiety, aping the self-serving intellectual-fads of their cynical, grasping betters–which really is stupid, just like Gruber says!
And sadly, the above, green-washed agit-prop is found in the “National Geographic” magazine–a publication once so honored and reversed that it was to be found in even the most respectable American homes, within reach of the kids (I’m not kidding!!!), despite the regular appearance of photos, gracing its pages, of actual, bare tits, and as a rare treat, from time-to-time, a little, discreet T&A, even–but, of course, never images, of white-women, in that regard (except sometimes when the “National Geographic” reproduced an old-master painting, or something really “artistic”, like that (I’m especially thinkin’ of Botticelli’s oeuvre, here)). Yep!, my generation has a lot of memories from our pubescence tied up in the former glories of what is now–it breaks my heart!–a pathetic, sell-out rag.

lee
Reply to  Tom Harley
December 13, 2014 9:17 pm

The link works for me in Oz.

Latitude
December 12, 2014 5:01 pm

excellent Tim…..when you shine….you really shine 😉

johnmarshall
Reply to  Latitude
December 13, 2014 2:53 am

Totally agree, thanks Dr. ball.

December 12, 2014 5:04 pm

My career has been in the real world for the most part, but I have had the opportunity to both socialize with and work with higher education. And your assessment is spot on. They have no clue about the real world. Indeed, the hardest part for ANYONE going BACK to college is snobbish condescendingly ignorant professors who preach about the real world with no clue what they are talking about. I actually had one professor come up to me, and in what I can only assume was a moment of honesty and lucidity, and ask me how things worked in the real world. I did not have the time as that actually takes time to do correctly, but suggested he try to get a part time job so at least he could meet the people in real settings that he was supposed to be teaching,
I was fortunate in that I did get an education in college – but only because I went to a small college that few have heard of, run by a church, that seemed to want to inculcate spirituality as much as knowledge. So I had no grad students teaching me, and the professors who did (some of the religious order) were interested in teaching. I have also found that to be the exception, not the rule.
Gruber is a product of that environment, But the problem is he is the really stupid one. He cannot use a spanner (as my English Mates would say) or change oil in a car. And the one thing he is supposed to be knowledgeable about, he attempts to hide from his students! He had no clue that all he was doing was proving his ignorance (some would say stupidity) of the real world. Yes, a car mechanic can fool me if they want to change the fluberstein valve as I am no car mechanic. But then I know many who are, so I quickly learn never to trust that mechanic again. That is Gruber. His stupidity was in thinking that his deception would never be discovered because he was too stupid to know what he knew not.

December 12, 2014 5:09 pm

“They both claim their models are accurate and solid as the basis for draconian policy changes. They both fail to understand that playing with models in a university requires they satisfy research and scientific standards. We don’t know if they do, because so much of what they produce that is critical to proper analysis, such as computer codes, is proprietary. ”
The IPCC doesnt claim the models are accurate. It depends on the metric. For example, they acknowledge that they get many elements wrong.
The IPCC doesnt claim that the models are solid as basis for policy.
The IPCC has no CODE. the models that are summarized by the science are not proprietary.
you want GISS code for their GCM.. go get it. I did back in 2007.
you want other GCM code? Just ask, I’ve got 2 or 3.
you want to join the user groups? you can.
The IPCC doesnt run any code.It didnt develop any code.
It helps to get your facts straight

Reply to  Steven Mosher
December 12, 2014 5:30 pm

The IPCC has no code? It has a specification as to what the code should be based on.
http://www.ipcc-data.org/guidelines/pages/scen_selection.html
Dated June 2013, accessed 10 minutes ago. Criterion 1 is unchanged from the earlier versions.
The Nicene Creed of the Church of Global Warmism.
My real world experience indicates Maxwell got it right, Arrhenius got it wrong.

David Holland
Reply to  Martin Clark
December 13, 2014 2:51 am

Martin,
You say of the IPCC “It has a specification as to what the code should be based on”.
No it has not. According to a formal international agreement, to which 195 countries are parties, the initials “IPCC” refer only to the Panel of 195 countries. ipcc-data.org is fraudulently passing itself off as an integral part of the IPCC, using the font style of the IPCC and the Logos of the WMO and UNEP. Try setting up a website ford-data.org using its styles and logo and se how long it before you get a writ.
http://whois.domaintools.com/ipcc-data.org tells you ipcc-data.org is hosted on a UK website and was registered by the UK governments Council for the Central Laboratory of the Research Councils

David Holland
Reply to  Martin Clark
December 13, 2014 3:02 am

Apologies for typo – “see how long it is before you get a writ”
The real IPCC warns of scams at http://ipcc.ch/home_scams.shtml

Ted Clayton
Reply to  Steven Mosher
December 12, 2014 6:05 pm

The main point of the context you quote out of, is that parallels exist between the Jonathan Gruber-arc, and the path of climate science. An interesting analogy … which you rebut only at the trivia-level.
Gruber is objectively small potatoes. Like Ebola is objectively small potatoes. Yet, fascinating political parallels can be drawn between the catalytic effects of the Admin’s dealings with this pair, as well.
Parallels are not identities.

catweazle666
Reply to  Steven Mosher
December 12, 2014 6:51 pm

“It helps to get your facts straight”
LOL!!

Chip Javert
Reply to  Steven Mosher
December 12, 2014 7:44 pm

Wow Steven:
The IPCC sounds like the French Gendarmerie in Casablanca: “I’m shocked…shocked that GAMBLING is going on upstairs”.
The IOCC doesn’t claim the models are accurate…
The IPCC doesnt claim that the models are solid as basis for policy…
And then my personal favorite: “It helps to get your facts straight”
Ha ha ha ha. Whoooo Wheeee.

Reg Nelson
Reply to  Steven Mosher
December 12, 2014 8:17 pm

“The IPCC doesnt claim the models are accurate.”
Then what is their purpose?
Please show us where in the IPCC Executive Summary report they admit that the models\predictions\projections were not accurate? Nor intended to be?

mebbe
Reply to  Steven Mosher
December 12, 2014 8:22 pm

After you’ve re-read the first paragraph, you could tackle the rest of the post.
You might want to check the IPCC reports too; the Summary for policy makers, for example.
See if they allude to models at all.
As for thinking they’re accurate, do you think they’re tossed in there because they think they’re useless?
Does Tim say Gruber or the IPCC runs or develops code? No, he says they “use” models.
It seems you think every post by Dr. Ball is an opportunity to vent your spleen through inimitable sneering and self-aggrandizing boasts.
How many GCM’s have you got code for? 2 or 3? Just asking!

Reply to  Steven Mosher
December 12, 2014 9:05 pm

The IPCC 2014 Summary for Policy Makers makes claims that are nuanced in the body of their report but appear to be incontrovertible in their summary. The models may have significant caveats among the details of the report, but those caveats disappear in the summary, which is, of course, intended to be a solid basis for policy. Steven, you are having your cake and eating it too. The IPCC publishes a summary for policy makers, and it purportedly is based upon models. I know you are prone to torturing words until they confess a meaning different from their content, but in this comment you exceed yourself.

Al McEachran
Reply to  Steven Mosher
December 12, 2014 11:17 pm

No it helps to question the whole sorry mess and begin to separate the wood from the trees.

KNR
Reply to  Steven Mosher
December 13, 2014 4:28 am

You [are] right the IPCC never claims to do ‘science’ but it does claim to represent the ‘best’ of the science done by others. Which suggest either this ‘best ‘ is badly misnamed or that by ‘best’ they are not talking about quality nor scientific validity but about how well the science they pick supporters what the IPCC need to keep its self alive , for without AGW they are gone . And that is before we get to the way the IPCC handles the political side where even the ‘best’ science is not good enough and needs a ‘bit of spin’ to ensure it has the right affect.
So on one hand you are right , they have no code , but they do both misuse the results of code from others. They are UN body from top to bottom and like many rule one is keep themselves going and rule two is grow . Ideas like honesty and truth come a long way down the list .

Ian W
Reply to  Steven Mosher
December 13, 2014 4:32 am

It would appear from your strawman post Steven that TIm Ball has hit the spot and that has made you feel uncomfortable.
I would be interested to see a reference where you believe the IPCC SPM makes it clear that the IPCC is using inaccurate models as a basis for the summary and recommendations.

Reply to  Steven Mosher
December 13, 2014 8:00 am

Moshe, you are not this naive. They say what you say they do, but they do otherwise with the models and use the “data” from them to conjure up scary futures. They keep telling us the models are getting better and better (at what? one might ask). The models ARE used for promoting policy prescriptions. They just know that almost everyone is on board in world universities, government agencies, scientific bodies, journals, press… and they know they can turn aside, marginalize or ignore scepticism. You are a nice guy, smart in a generally agreed upon definition of the word, but deluded in the way of Orwell’s donkey.
Look at the recent Wadhams idiocy on the death spiral and models. “Prof Wadhams said: “His [model] (Maslowski’s) is the most extreme but he is also the best modeller around.” Then, having self-styled himself as an expert on the arctic since 1970 (woe for his students’ wasted education), he couldn’t let Maslowski have all the glory or upstage him so he appropriated his idea and over several media interviews progressively pushed Maslowski into the background. Maslowski became “several scientists” of which Wads was one.

Alx
Reply to  Steven Mosher
December 13, 2014 8:52 am

Trivial nitpicking, is not a virtue, but it can be fun…for some.

The IPCC doesnt claim the models are accurate. It depends on the metric.

Are you and the IPCC saying that in a similar manner the length of a board varies depending on whether inches or centimeters are used? You see the disconnect from reality Tim Ball articulated?

December 12, 2014 5:10 pm

Mr. Gruber:
Character is destiny.

Matthew R Marler
December 12, 2014 5:13 pm

Overall the essay is messy and rambling. I thought the Leni Riefenstahl reference was unfortunate on two counts: (1) it continues Dr Ball’s recent and deplorable argumentum ad Hitlerium and (2) Gore’s movie was nowhere near as beautiful, grand, awesome and powerful as Leni Riefenstahl’s work (sadly done in service to an evil cause.) Gore’s movie was a relatively engaging and thought-provoking but pedestrian assemblage of a bunch of facts and pictures highlighting what he thought of as a threat — in a manner of speaking, he started the debate on a large scale, whereas he thought that he was ending it.

David A
Reply to  Matthew R Marler
December 14, 2014 5:58 am

“Hitlerism” complaint again. Just refute the assertions without the hyperbole. Address what the man actually said, and correct it. You have failed utterly to do so.
Also this ” Gore’s movie was a relatively engaging and thought-provoking but pedestrian assemblage of a bunch of facts and pictures highlighting what he thought of as a threat — ”
Sorry you are wrong. It was a propaganda film that was based on proven falsehoods, and prohibited due to the falsehoods being so clear.

Matthew R Marler
December 12, 2014 5:16 pm

These graduate students are indentured servants working for very low wages and little different from serfs, which is appropriate, because universities are mediaeval institutions being dragged kicking and screaming into the 18th century.
A better analogy would be “apprentices”. Better still would be “interns”.

Ted Clayton
Reply to  Matthew R Marler
December 12, 2014 6:21 pm

But you have no objection to the broader characterization of universities as mediaeval institutions barely graduated from the Renaissance?
Mind you, I’m not convinced that institutions work under the principles of evolution … or even of Progressive ideology.
Yet, like Democracy & Human Rights, our higher education is as good as it gets.

Matthew R Marler
Reply to  Ted Clayton
December 12, 2014 6:43 pm

Ted Clayton: But you have no objection to the broader characterization of universities as mediaeval institutions barely graduated from the Renaissance?
I don’t write objections to every comment that I object to. Engineering, chemistry, statistics and other applied math, computer science, and medical majors of all sorts (kinesiology, for example) are unlike their medieval counterparts.

Ted Clayton
Reply to  Ted Clayton
December 12, 2014 7:16 pm

{Hard sciences} are unlike their medieval counterparts.

This is true. Yet these disciplines can be instilled very well, often faster and with better pedantic results, outside the campus setting.
I was mildly shocked to see a few days ago in the Google News Spotlight box the following item at Time:

Why Professionals Shouldn’t Be Trained By Academics

Although technical fields are less medieval on campus, we pay a high price delivering these forms of training, in that social setting.
I really do wonder at what is happening in public schools & universities, on the visible levels, and what this might say about policies & goals, not discussed openly.
I think it would better, to have it all open & on the table.

Nigel S
Reply to  Ted Clayton
December 13, 2014 1:40 am

Pedagogue / pedant confusion above by Ted Clayton. My alma mater’s engineering faculty doesn’t match Tim Ball’s description at all nor did our college supervisions (tutorials) with faculty members. That might explain why Dyson and Gates are among people funding facilities there. Our structures professor helped, as a student, to deveop the Morrison air raid shelter with Prof. Baker that saved many lives. He also introduced the lectures on plastic design of steel with the aid of Prof. Baker’s original model and his wrist watch (removed with a flourish and placed in the model shelter before he let the bomb drop).

Ted Clayton
Reply to  Ted Clayton
December 13, 2014 7:59 am

Nigel S says;

Pedagogue / pedant confusion above by Ted Clayton.

This is an interesting (telling) contention, and perhaps the optimum point on which to base the general theme of Tim Ball’s post. (Tho it wasn’t my aim to put it that way.)
Admittedly, popular trends and ‘certain circles’ will emphasize one of the Merriam-Webster definitions over others.
Pedantic training is what enables submarine and space shuttle crews to perform their missions and return their vehicle to its berth. Both steam power and flying machines were ‘saved’ by pedantics (aviation was delayed, by pedagogics); NACA, and then NASA, is an archetype sci-tech pedantic institution (as is the ‘new’ Navy; and Air Force).
Pedagogic strategy gave us the Ebola-response own-goal (and possibly a seriously under-recognized factor in the 2014 US midterms outcome).
Both *attributes* are capable of the truly exemplary & sublime. Both are susceptible to spectacular-howling cranial-rectal inversions.
It takes both to make the world go round; the trick is to know when, where and how to deploy the right approach. If it were really otherwise – that one is right/true and the other is wrong/false – one or the other would have disappeared centuries ago … and obviously, neither has.
During the latter part of the 20th C, our education system appears to have slid too much to the pedagogic.

Bernie Hutchins
December 12, 2014 5:23 pm

Tim –
That was excellent and then some. As a retired “Lecturer” (an official, contracted, teaching-staff position for persons who are hired to TEACH CLASSES), this all rang true. The lecturers were there FOR the students, and to offer exactly a real-world picture. Clearly you maneuvered into a situation where you were able to avoid most of the traps, and your students were accordingly fortunate to have you. Similarly, since I was teaching engineering, many of our actual “Professors” were quite able to deal with the real world as well. LOTS of good people.
But I was once lambasted by a “real academic” for being an engineer – and engineers don’t really know anything – they just make things work. I had trouble understanding this as an insult.
In contrast, Gruber types and across the same town a Harvard Business School professor bullying a Chinese restaurant proprietor (and losing the argument!) and becoming an item on Drudge!

December 12, 2014 5:24 pm

A university lecture?
Its a process where the notes of the lecturer become the notes of the student without passing through the minds of either.

bw
December 12, 2014 5:31 pm

Industrial mass production has been applid to Academic institutions. Input money and raw materials (people) on one end. Then after 4 years the output comes out the other end. People with degrees. There is an enourmous amount of intervening waste, and the final product has a high failure rate. Generally, the larger the institution, the larger the failure rate. To be fair, the quality of the raw meterials is declining.
The same can be said for the “scientific” publishing biz. Very costly and with a very low value added.
As Dr. Ball suggests, pull the plug on the publically funded institutions. The free market will sort out the wheat from the chaff.

Leonard Lane
Reply to  bw
December 12, 2014 9:54 pm

Agree bw. The cure for socialism in education, as in everything else, is free enterprise and open, honest auditing by those with no connection to the institutions being audited.

richardscourtney
Reply to  Leonard Lane
December 12, 2014 10:54 pm

Leonard Lane
That is a thread bomb.
Richard

Zeke
Reply to  Leonard Lane
December 13, 2014 1:22 pm

Leonard Lane: A remark cannot be a thread bomb if it addresses the subject of the original post. In your case, you observed that there is a problem with socialism in education. Your remark is on topic because
1. Gruber is the co-architect of an unwanted, mandated, nationwide Socialized health care in our country, and
2. because your remark addressed education as well.
Thread bombs are totally unrelated, off topic comments with no evidence the poster even read the original column.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  bw
December 13, 2014 6:22 am

All public schools and colleges which were once great institutions of learning have morphed into …. tax-free money making “not-for-profit” profit-making businesses that are wholly funded by taxpayer dollars with said profits being distributed among their employees based solely on the employee’s job title’s pay-grade, education status and years tenure.

Titan28
December 12, 2014 5:33 pm

As an academic myself, I applaud what you say here. So many bulls eyes! It has long been known that sponsored research in the humanities and social sciences, with few exceptions, is balderdash. All these insufferable mutual admiration societies. And now it is happening in the physical and natural sciences, in large part because of the damage done to science by climate change shills. I am especially of late tired of economics. These professors with their calculus and algorithms and clever flow charts, all almost worthless abstractions. Economics isn’t higher math; and neither higher math or economics has much to do with reality as most of us experience it. That’s the trick, of course. Academics try and get you to disbelieve the evidence of the senses. In the long run, this will prove to be a losing battle. But right now, they may be winning. Let’s hope just for a little while more, before he roof falls in.

Reply to  Titan28
December 13, 2014 7:25 am

Let me add a comment. As an octogenarian with both a Chemical Engineering and Law degree (both long dormant) I have seen incompetents both in academia and in “the real world”. But I have also seen that we have too many students in college/university settings who do not belong there. They simply do not have the capacity to learn at the higher level. Of course, this requires that we hire “professors” to teach them, many of which do not have t he capacity to teach at the higher level. Maybe we ought to cut our education dollars in half when it comes to “advanced learning” and concentrate on the elementary and high school areas.
It is fascinating to compare the texts my father learned from when he was in grammar school to what is taught in today’s high schools. We start the kids out way behind.

Reply to  Jim Brock
December 13, 2014 8:51 am

A little exposure of the childhood education industry to the forces of the free market would go a long way. Only in the naive, child-like world of socialists are bad ideas made good by following them to ever further extremes. Our education monopoly is producing results inversely proportional to the taxpayer money thrown at it. Academics try to deflect attention from this egregious failure by redefining the problem and working their propaganda — the very cause of the failure — into the “solution”. The dynamic is fatally flawed, and the system is now brittle. From a little crack will come a comprehensive, catastrophic, splintering. It can’t come soon enough.

Bubba Cow
December 12, 2014 5:48 pm

While I generally agree with comments, I disagree with conclusion. Publicly funded institutions should get more funding, BUT must demonstrate honesty and purpose and practical value and accountability . . . Not happening.
Harvard has more money than God and it is private. Experienced it 1st hand.
I’ll comment directly to Dr. Ball in the AM. I, too, and a retired professor, albeit in the physical sciences and there had to be a connect with reality, but I also recognize a fellow tortured soul who tried to help in an institution/enterprise that is now and has for a while been failing.
Happy Friday!

Baa Humbug
Reply to  Bubba Cow
December 12, 2014 10:48 pm

Publicly funded institutions should get more funding, BUT must demonstrate honesty and purpose and practical value and accountability . . . Not happening.

Not just not happening, can’t happen, that’s the real world.
No offence, but your naive comment shows you’ve been through the system.

Reply to  Baa Humbug
December 13, 2014 9:00 am

In the U.S. the nationalization of the student loan industry has guaranteed them limitless funds on the backs of the next generation, at least while the ponzi scheme keeps working.
Easy credit for students means that kids are graduating with degrees in Journalism, Communications or Political Science with $100k in student debt, and no career prospects other than as burger flippers or truck drivers (not that there’s anything wrong with doing either, but they can be done in the absence of a degree and the concomitant debt). The universities and colleges are rolling in dough, yet cry poor. Anybody who has studied economics in any kind of realistic setting knows that this is unsustainable. The communists are succeeding in pulling down our system of education from within. And may they soon succeed, because the result isn’t going to be what they have been expecting for the last 100 years.

Gordon Ford
December 12, 2014 5:57 pm

[Sockpuppet screen ame of ‘David Socrates’ and about 20 others. ~mod.]

u.k.(us)
December 12, 2014 6:06 pm

But…… I know I’m stupid.
During the few moments when I’m not actually displaying my stupidity, I try to pick up some knowledge.
It is said that you never stop learning, so I guess there is hope.

ferdberple
December 12, 2014 6:10 pm

If I lie to you and you give me your money, am I justified to take it because you were stupid enough to believe me?
No, because that is fraud. A criminal offense. However, a psychopath would feel justified in taking your money. After all, you were stupid enough to believe me, so you are the one at fault.
Apparently the government feels largely the same way. Does this mean the government believes it is OK for people to lie on tax returns for example, if the government is stupid enough to believe them?

ossqss
Reply to  ferdberple
December 12, 2014 8:26 pm

It is a one way street currently, unfortunately.
The people who read this blog have the power to change that. Will you?
http://theoas.org

Lonie
Reply to  ferdberple
December 13, 2014 6:52 pm

ferd
You are a gem of simple correct logic .
So, governments are made up of psychopaths .
I respectfully agree from experience .
I became suspicious at first tax return in 1952 .
I have been lied too since.
I am rather simple as i didn’t fully realize fraud was involved until 1973 .

Goldie
December 12, 2014 6:13 pm

I think you missed out one thing. The academics we have today are a product of the “real world” interfering in their financial ability to sustain pure research. Which country is not guilty of reducing funding for pure research and requiring the academics to find outside funding for their research? Well that’s what they did.

michael hart
December 12, 2014 6:15 pm

“I am not surprised by the inability of climate skeptics to communicate with the real world. They are, for the most part, products of the Ivory Tower.”

I’m not sure that I agree with that. But hey, I’m trying, in my own way.
Many of the most articulate and high profile skeptics are university educated but chose not to take the career path leading to them being described as “an academic”.

Al McEachran
Reply to  michael hart
December 12, 2014 11:14 pm

Stay or go, it does not matter much. If education is about the conditioning of minds to accept the mantra it does not matter. If skepticism is not cherished, and independent thinking not encouraged then inside academia or outside the results are depressingly the same. Highly skilled dissertations of what is already accepted as truth.

December 12, 2014 6:19 pm

Perhaps Tim is minimising the contributions of the many decent academics teaching sound subjects soundly (and often fighting profit-oriented administrators to do it). But I agree with the basic thrust as it applies to so many thousands of academic fakes. BTW, anyone following the recent attack on Dr Ball by Prof Richard Betts and Dr Tamsin Edwards can find my reply to that here:
http://peacelegacy.org/articles/defence-dr-tim-ball

Bubba Cow
Reply to  Ron House
December 12, 2014 6:46 pm

Went to your site – I’m pretty new to this – and found I’d already read the piece (yours?) about why? I agree with lazy and all, but think that really it must come down to the crappy (some good) crime novels I read = what are the motives for murder? Money, power, attention, hatred . . .
I just struggle to find ways to show these matters to regular old folks who don’t have the science background to comprehend. As M. Crichton recommended, we need to find compelling ways to communicate this, without resorting to muckraking and name-calling.

Reply to  Bubba Cow
December 12, 2014 8:29 pm

Dr Tim wrote the “Why” piece whose critics I was criticising.;-)
The thing that simplified it for me was that the hotspot is the very mechanism itself by which the amplification of the CO2 warming is supposed to be happening. Since that is not there, the amplification isn’t there. So the theory is wrong.

xyzzy11
Reply to  Ron House
December 12, 2014 8:47 pm

I totally agree with you – the alarmists have, IMHO, hijacked the conversation. Simply changing from global warming to climate change has made the skeptics task harder, although not impossible. Apart from the non-existence of the hot spot, there is that fact that the whole point of demonizing carbon dioxide, was that it was supposed to increase temperatures (at an alarming rate). Clearly, this hasn’t and isn’t happening, yet the average citizen hasn’t caught on.

Reply to  xyzzy11
December 12, 2014 9:30 pm

Changing the discussion from global warming to climate change makes it easier because it inspires inquiry into previous climate change, which was of course all a product of natural forces. Just the four warming periods preceding the present since the end of the Ice Age – the Holocene Climatic Optimum, Minoan, Roman, and Medieval – each less warm than its predecessors, easily debunk the proposition that current warming is unprecedented. Then it is easily demonstrated that current warming is a natural rebound from the coldest period of the past 10,000 years, the Little Ice Age (1450-1850AD). Casting current warming as climate change begs all climate change to be entered into the discussion in order to achieve context. Now we are talking about what is easily communicated, whereas global warming discussions center around belief-driven discussions about how 0.04% of the atmosphere can change our world by dancing on the head of an infrared pin. It becomes claustrophobic and stifles the introduction of historical vision.

ferdberple
December 12, 2014 6:19 pm

BUT must demonstrate honesty and purpose and practical value and accountability
===============
the vast majority of students go to university hoping to get a better job on graduation. Instead of public funding, why not base the university funding on how much their graduates make?
The simplest answer is to give universities a percentage of the income tax paid by their students in the first 4 years after university (assuming the student attended for 4 years).
If the university delivers real skills and the students get good jobs, the university gets more money. If the university doesn’t deliver, it gets very little.
The government already knows what university students attend, because they use it to claim deduction while they go to school. It would be a simple matter to add some code to the income tax computers to calculate how much income the universities should get in return.
You could be sure that the universities would very quickly change how they operate and would start making sure they trained their students for the real world, and that every student got a good job on graduation.
exactly what every parent hopes for when they send the kids off to university.

Chip Javert
Reply to  ferdberple
December 12, 2014 8:06 pm

Mr Berple
What a quaint notion: Universities should exist to educate students (as opposed to being a jobs program for people with gender study degrees).
Academic labor unions will fight to the death on that one.

Leonard Lane
Reply to  ferdberple
December 12, 2014 10:02 pm

+1 Thanks

Reply to  ferdberple
December 13, 2014 4:28 am

Soon you will see many institutions teaching homeopathy, acupuncture, Ayurveda, yoga, magic water and snake oil application, radon inhalation… you name it. Those students will have excellent income after ‘graduation’.

Ian W
Reply to  ferdberple
December 13, 2014 5:13 am

There is one problem with this idea – that is the amount society pays to individuals has very little relationship to the usefulness of that individual to society. So all universities would drop nursing and teaching degrees in favor of football, baseball and golfing degrees perhaps.

Toto
December 12, 2014 6:20 pm

The one-word explanation for the disconnect is ‘arrogance’. Students of human nature, compare and contrast the recently exposed Sony e-mails with the ClimateGate e-mails. I hope you didn’t think Climate Science or Academia had an exclusive on bad behavior. We just expected better of scientists.
http://www.torontosun.com/2014/12/12/sony-hacking-scandal-shows-hollywood-just-like-high-school

GaryM
December 12, 2014 6:44 pm

“There are many parallels between the Jonathan Gruber story and what has occurred in climate science.”
There is not an element of the progressive agenda that is not characterized by Gruberism.
Progressives’ vanity, that they are qualified to plan economies of hundreds of millions of people, is based on their uniform belief that the masses are stupid.
Progressives’ rejection of Judeo-Christian morality (or any objective morality) results in their uniform belief that the ends justifies the means – ie. lying to the stupid voters is not just acceptable, but necessary, for their own good.
There is nothing unique to Gruberism in healthcare, climate alarmism, or any other aspect of the progressive agenda. Gruber is a piker next to Saul Alinsky and Karl Marx.

Reply to  GaryM
December 13, 2014 7:59 pm

1+

John Francis
December 12, 2014 7:28 pm

Tim: you have outdone yourself. Brilliant and long-past due

rogerknights
December 12, 2014 8:42 pm

Academia: An oasis of totalitarianism in a desert of freedom.
–Iowahawk

Matt
December 12, 2014 9:17 pm

Oh dear. Look, the US was the only civilized nation without a heathcare system – that is how we know that it makes sense to have one, and NOT because Gruber ran a model… do you see the difference to climate research? We do not have a number of earths and climates to compare to – but we have a 100 heathcare systems to compare to.

n.n
Reply to  Matt
December 12, 2014 10:21 pm

Obamacare is similar to the multi-trillion dollar welfare market that leaves Americans indigent, homeless, and unidentified. This is after premeditated abortion of around 2 million Americans annually. Before Obamacare, no one was denied medical care. Obamacare neither reduces cost nor increases availability of medical care. It disconnects policy from reality through a redistributive financial scheme backed by trillion dollar deficits. It conflates contributory and non-contributory entitlements, thereby sponsoring corruption. This is similar in method and motive to the global warming scheme, that relies on preponderance of false and exaggerated claims of skill and knowledge about the Earth system, and redistribution of wealth and creation of artificial markets (e.g. carbon credit exchange).

TheLastDemocrat
Reply to  n.n
December 15, 2014 9:05 am

D’oh! -That’s gonna leave a mark.

Ian W
Reply to  Matt
December 13, 2014 5:21 am

Matt – Yet strangely patients from countries with a ‘health care system’ were coming to the US to get advanced treatment. Even those from countries like the UK where the much vaunted NHS will often refuse advanced treatment as it is not considered cost effective to make it available to everyone. Now, in true progressive fashion, things will be leveled down so saving up to get advanced treatment will no longer be an option even in the US.

Reply to  Matt
December 13, 2014 10:54 am

The US has the best healthcare system in the world. When life expectancy is adjusted for violent deaths, the US has the longest. The biggest problem our health system faces is obesity and related illnesses caused by bad personal choices, and getting people to live smarter lives is not something that a national healthcare system can do. All a healthcare system can do when people don’t take care of themselves is take care of the results, not fix the problem. Many of our citizens are voluntarily joining the march of the permanently unemployable everyday, and a national health system won’t remove them from their ranks.

Barry
Reply to  majormike1
December 13, 2014 12:03 pm

“Adjusted for violent deaths…” Reminds me of Marion Barry (RIP) saying that there’s not much crime in DC if you don’t count all the murders.

Reply to  majormike1
December 13, 2014 1:26 pm

Barry
Preventing violent deaths is not part of the healthcare system. When you judge a healthcare system, you want to see how well these perform those things under their control. How poorly society does its functions of promoting the conduct of life in a civilized way is not a healthcare responsibility. Your inability to see the difference is a good illustration of the shortcomings of our educational system.

Shona
Reply to  Matt
December 13, 2014 1:55 pm

And you know one that works? And one that works better than the old US one? Certainly not the single payer ones that Gruber and co love. I couldn’t cite you one.

David A
Reply to  Matt
December 14, 2014 6:09 am

Hum, I have lived in the S for all of my life. It seams to me we always had a health care system.

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