Guest humor by Sam Kazman, CEI
The Wall St. Journal’s Sept. 20 essay, “Climate Science Is Not Settled”, caused quite a stir, in part because it was authored by physicist Steven Koonin, Dept. of Energy Undersecretary of Science during the first Obama administration. Yesterday’s edition (Oct. 2) carries a letter criticizing Dr. Koonin’s essay on several grounds, and ends on a patronizing note:
“We welcome the constructive collaboration of the physics community in improving our understanding of … climate. Many climate scientists are trained physicists…. We invite Dr. Koonin to join their ranks.”
The letter is co-signed by Dr. Ben Santer, widely known for his work on the climate impact of human activity.
But Santer is also known, to some of us, for a 2009 letter to a colleague complaining about CEI’s petition to EPA to reconsider its Endangerment Finding. The letter was part of the Climategate document leak, and says this about dissenting climate scientist Patrick Michaels, who was then at U. Va. and who now heads Cato’s Center for the Study of Science:
“Next time I see Pat Michaels at a scientific meeting, I’ll be tempted to beat the crap out of him. Very tempted.”
So if Dr. Koonin is planning to accept Santer’s invitation to join in some scientific collaboration, maybe he ought to show up wearing hockey gear.
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Penalty Boxes. Absent from the debate, but necessary.
Chessmatch-style “Kill Switches” on each microphone.
If the debate is 1 hour, each microphone gets 30.00 minutes.
When one microphone is “on” the other is “off”, but each speaker can “kill” the other microphone and interrupt at any time.
Until his 30 minutes are up. Then, after those 30 minutes are used up with interruptions, insults, pontificating and politics and exaggerations or propaganda, nothing but silence will be heard.
What an awesome idea – I love it. If you can’t give the other guy fair time, you get to listen to them make the closing statement.
Great idea but I’d alter it just a bit. Each speaker gets a set number of “interrupt” points to use and once he or she is out they must wait until the other speaker “finishes his/her chess move,” slaps the “clock” and passes microphone control back. That way they’d have to decide what to let go and what is “worthy” of using an interrupt for. My guess is that the Climateer would be out of points before the Skeptic finished pointing out all the flaws in the “greenhouse gas” theory their Progressive control fantasy is based on.
Brilliant!
So are game misconducts…
“Penalty Boxes” Is that like a Cricket Box, Mike? 😉
We also have the Great Santer doing his global warming clown video
Watch out for Kilimanjaro bit, it is a hoot!
That cartoon is the production of demented people!
I beg to differ. That cartoon is skilful propaganda aimed at conditioning our children. Here in the UK schoolbooks and kids’ comics have been got at in the same way.
Ooooh Noooo, look at the snow. It’s come back! OMG!
http://www.greenpacks.org/2008/08/15/mt-kilimanjaro-snow-cap-okay/attachment/826/
Shameful propaganda. This is not funny now but it will be in 20 years. It will look like one of the 1950s anti-marijuana or anti-communist propaganda spots.
“funniest”?
How about the solar panels on the opposite side of the roof to the sun!
What you need to do is put PV cells on the sunward side of the roof and diode lasers on the shadow side that way you can shoot the energy back into space and fight global warming and repel spy drones at the same time!
Snows of Kilimanjaro, huh? Ben’s cartoon is a little out of date. Here’s a 2011 photo –
http://www.rockyhigh66.org/stuff/kilimanjaro_snow_2011.jpg
Santer must think kids are total morons. This was intended for kids, right?
http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/30978416.jpg
“We have spent our careers developing computer models of the climate system, comparing models with observations and studying the causes of climate change.”
I love this sentence (from Dr Santer’s letter)
It needs to be modified however
We have spent our careers developing computer models of the climate system (that don’t, as far as we can tell, actually model the climate system), comparing models with observations (and adjusting the observations where necessary to bring them in line with the models – or at least closer) and studying the causes of climate change (which, is solely caused by evil human industrial CO2).
Missed a bit, DC: “We have spent our publicly well-funded careers…
“…we have spent our well-funded-by-the-public careers, funding not generally made public…wait a minute, I’ll come in again…nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition…”
Here is Santer on climate models. He realises his 17 year itch is over.
Niche Modeling- 1 December 2012
“Ben Santer’s latest model/observation comparison paper in PNAS finally admits what climate realists have been been saying for years — climate models are exaggerating warming.”
http://landshape.org/enm/santer-climate-models-are-exaggerating-warming-we-dont-know-why/
“an unusual manifestation of internal variability in the observations ”
What an incredibly telling sentence!
The primary component of climate models that causes them to fail so miserably is the people creating them.
Santer reveals his character in his remarks. Even though his own paper concurs with Steven Koonin’s Op-Ed, he can’t help expressing his perceived superiority. He demponstrates yet again that he is an assinine, patronizing, bully.
Academic degrees and chutzpah doesen’t make one a scientist; following the scientific method does. In that regard, Ben Santer is no scientist.
Koonin should respond: “Many scientists are trained the scientific method…. We invite Dr. Santer to join their ranks.”
Nailed it!
Ben Santer’s 2009 quote is typical fare from the climate fearosphere. Many of us were initially motivated to learn about the climate debate because of the many examples of remarks like Santer’s.
“Next time I see Pat Michaels at a scientific meeting, I’ll be tempted to beat the crap out of him. Very tempted.”
If he can’t win the argument through logical persuasion, there’s always physical force. It’s typical of any movement that’s run aground.
Yes but this sort of language come from bullies and bullies are always cowards under the skin. A good beating would do Santer the world of good but like all bullies he would run off to mummy and cry.
At the end of the day, physical force is what the coercive power of government is all about. They are not allowing us to choose for ourselves, they are TELLING us the severely limited choices that will be permitted. Ben Santer is entirely at home with that allocation of power.
We have spent our careers developing computer models of the climate system
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why? If the science is settled there is no need to make models. models serve no purpose if you already know the answer.
so what is it? is the science settled or not? If it is, then why spend a penny more on theory?
once the science is settled it then becomes strictly an engineering problem. we don’t use scientists to tell us how best to build skyscrapers, road, bridges, airplanes and dams. why would we use them to tell us how best to control climate?
Time to move over climate science and let the engineers solve the problem.
Quite right, Ferdberple. That asteroid that the scientists said was heading for earth, and which they are all (97%) settled on, doesn’t need any more scientific divination to say what’s already said: The engineers need to get to work. BUT….of course, now that they’ve seen the utter cost and futility of their ‘fix’ the scientivists are beginning to resile from their dreams of Armageddon. (Like it hasn’t cost us enough already – like it hasn’t enriched a whole load of Ecoligarchs already!)
Good point!
Very good point. Just one question;
Why do all my kids look so much like you?
“We have spent our careers developing computer models of the climate system…”
Well there it is folks. I guess when you spend your career on something you don’t want to hear that you wasted your time. Computer models are their babies and they have developed a maternal instinct to defend them.
My old modeling Prof took his doctorate under George Box. So one might expect some Box witticisms such as the famous quote Tamsin has adopted.
However the line I remember most was (paraphrased):
” Once you have formulated a model, the last thing you should do is believe it!!” :: ))
I think it may have come from “How to Lie with Statistics”.
cheers
brent
“I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives.”
― Leo Tolstoy
Some people have an absolute faith in the abilities of computers. We have all heard of those who have ended up on railway lines or in rivers after blindly following the satellite navigation systems in their cars.
I have to say first I’ve worked with computers far too long to have blind faith in model output, second a lot of than navigation data comes from the census dept, and it’s gathered by census workers, people who were probably unemployed, often because they were unemployable just a few months ago.
He should ask Dr. Dangers what the ideal temperature of the lower troposphere should be. Everytime I ask a climastrologist this question they come unglued.
Santer. Sigh. Autocorrect is more dangerous than CO2!
Dr. Dangers. It appears that autocorrect is capable of a Freudian Slip. One could argue that autocorrect has made your post more representative of the facts.
the ” We have spent our career” statement is the worst thing to begin with. I mean, they would have been better of by chosing a real profession … Lol
“We have spent your money…” is what they really mean. Or maybe
“We have spinned the facts…”
http://www.marketforum.com/?id=1260872
“Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket.” Eric Hoffer
Excepting CAGW which began and will expire as a racket – from end to end.
Yes, models can help grow understanding how the climate works, but to make the leap to claiming to have mastered how climate works and then even worse to claim to have predictive capability is delusionary to the point of being clinically a mental health problem.
Forecasting is a science, which climate science doesn’t even claim to follow. They build a trend in a model and then assume the model is 100% accurate, the future is 100% predictable, past behavior is 100% guarantee of future behavior, and predicted future behavior is always bad.
I have heard of terms like hypothesis, experimentation, theory and so on in science, but I have never heard of the term “assume”. As in assume a bunch of stuff and then make wild claims.
“Assume” is valid in science when one is in the process of formulating a hypothesis. Where variables are unknown, but suspected, unquantified, but estimated, assumptions inform the starting point of the investigation (what elementary physics student doesn’t remember “assume STP”, or am I dating myself?). Validation/falsification is the ensuing process giving weight to the hypothesis. By the time a model or theory is created, assumptions should be few and far between in the dialogue. Climatologists and too many meteorologists however, assume that a model is the expression of a theory – it’s not – its an expression of a hypothesis most times. Until a model can be shown to have the durability of a theory, it remains a fancy WAG.
So do 20 model runs with different inputs, then pick the one that most closely matches observations. Ta-dah! Model successful!
“Next time I see Pat Michaels at a scientific meeting, I’ll be tempted to beat the crap out of him. Very tempted.”
Here is the measure of the scientist, Ben Santer.
Hello, Ben Santer, and I know you are reading this, what have you to say about the significance of 18 years without warming? Does it make you want to beat the crap out of the data?
They already have beaten the crap out of the data, attempting to make it confess. The models are the modern virtual equivalent of The Rack, and climate data are the innocent victims.
Re “Trained Physicists”
Dr. Ben Santer appears to be unaware of contemporary physics or those trained in it. e.g.,
Steven E. Koonin, Array of Contemporary American Physicists
Steven E. Koonin, former Undersecretary for Science, Energy.gov
Steven E. Koonin wikipedia
Could Santer be trained to understand the full range of climate uncertainties, including Type B uncertainties (including institutional bias and systematic errors) that are so important and obvious to those trained in Physics?
Or perhaps he could call on NASA’s Independent Verification and Validation (IV&V) Facility>NASA’s Independent Verification and Validation Facility to examine, and test Santer’s models.
Who knows, NASA’s IV&V facility might just find a few of the Bias errors in Santer’s models that overestimate global warming by 200% during the satellite era since 1979> They might discover Santer’s underestimation of natural causes and correct his models to where, they begin to emulate the “pause” considering global temperatures have not warmed for 18 years and 1 month.
Then Santer’s models might begin to rise from being simply “wrong”, to the standard of science where they might be useful.
Could Santer even rise to the high standard of scientific integrity so clearly laid out by Nobel Laureate Physicist Richard Feynman in 1974 to Caltech in Cargo Cult Science?
Errata: NASA’s Independent Verification and Validation Facility http://www.nasa.gov/centers/ivv/home/#.VDAIMX-Capo
Today, independent verification and validation is an Agency-level function, delegated from OSMA to Goddard Space Flight Center (GSFC)
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Yikes! The same folks that produce the temperature records are responsible for verrification and validation! What could possibly go wrong!
Apollo 13? They got the rest right!
fredberple
No one has yet dared let NASA’s IV&V Facility loose to examine global climate models or temperature records.
Goddard Space Flight Center (GSFC) is NOT the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS). The former is the NASA center which develops and oversees most NASA near-Earth satellite projects, and is based in Greenbelt, Md. The latter is a paper mill located in the building of the Seinfeld cafe in NYC.
Santer received a B.SC. in Environmental Sciences and a 1987 Ph.D. in Climatology from the Climatic Research Unit of the University of East Anglia.[1]
In 1998 Santer was awarded a MacArthur Fellowship for research supporting the finding that human activity contributes to global warming.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_D._Santer
Hmm. “for research supporting the finding”. This suggest one-side research. To look for positive examples.
The problem in science is that there are a near infinite number of positive examples of anything, without any cause and effect relationship. Depth of snow versus stock market prices. etc. It matters not how many positive examples you find if you never look for the negative examples.
Santer has a PhD in climatology from the CRU at the U of East Anglia?
I wonder who else is associated with that discredited institution, besides Phil Jones and Keith Briffa.
So Santer received his PHD via CRU that has in the past received funding from BP and Shell?
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/about-cru/history
I thought that a quick through Santer’s CV at the UC Berkeley web site might be of interest for the sake of comparison.
Education
• Ph.D., 1987, Climatology, Climatic Research Unit, University of East Anglia, Norwich, U.K.
• NATO Research Studentship, 1977, Chemical Oceanography, University of East Anglia, Norwich, U.K.
• B.Sc. (First Class Honors), 1976, Environmental Sciences, University of East Anglia, Norwich, U.K.
Dissertation
Regional Validation of General Circulation Models. Supervisor: Prof. T.M.L. Wigley.
Professional Employment and Research Projects
8/1992-Present
Physicist, Earth and Environmental Sciences Directorate, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Livermore, CA (statistical methods in climate model validation, climate-change detection and attribution studies).
1987-1992
Postdoc and Research Scientist, Max-Planck-Institut für Meteorologie, Hamburg, Germany (detection of greenhouse-gas-induced climate change, analysis of equilibrium and transient response to CO2 forcing, paleoclimate studies, model validation and intercomparison, supervision of graduate students).
1983-1987
Research Associate, Climatic Research Unit, University of East Anglia, Norwich, U.K. Employed under research contracts with U.S. Department of Energy and Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (validation of climate model control run results using Monte Carlo techniques, use of model data in climate impact analysis, quality control of observed surface temperature data, teaching).
1980-1983
Project Engineer in the Department of New Technologies, Air Pollution and Climatology Section, Dornier System GmbH, Friedrichshafen, Germany. Employed under research contracts with the European Community, Federal German Ministry for Research and Technology, Federal German Environmental Agency and NATO (impacts of greenhouse-gas-induced climate change, comparison of ambient air quality legislation in NATO countries, satellite measurement of meteorological parameters, technical translations).
1978-1979
Junior Research Associate, University of East Anglia, School of Environmental Sciences, Norwich, U.K. (investigation of eutrophication in the Norfolk Broads).
BS Cal Tech, PhD MIT vs BSc and PhD Univ. of East Anglia -UAE hovers around 200 in the Shanghai rankings vs Cal Tech typically 6th and MIT averages 3 to 5
Prof of Physics at Cal Tech including 9 years as Provost vs physicist at Lawrence National Labs working on GCMs Pity it doesn’t include any documented effort in verification and validation No further comment necessary
Member of National Academy of Sciences vs ?
QED Score one win for Koonin.
RayG
Koonin Chairs APS Climate Review
Steven Koonin, Chair
Climate Change Statement Review, Workshop Framing Document Climate Change Statement Review Subcommittee, American Physical Society, December 20, 2013
AMERICAN PHYSICAL SOCIETY CLIMATE CHANGE STATEMENT REVIEW WORKSHOP, TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS January 8, 2014
e.g., Koonin asked (p80):
Collins quoted:
Koonin:
Collins:
etc. through 573 pages.
Koonin headed up the APS review, taking recorded evidence from and critiquing experts on BOTH sides of climate change science before writing.
Judith Curry observes:
Add another win for Koonin.
Particle Physicists require at least 5 sigma and then push to 7 sigma (parts per 10^7 to parts per 10^9) to be confident of a new particle like the Higgs Boson.
Climate models currently predict 200% of actual warming since 1990!
Nir Shaviv obverves:
Carbon Dioxide and Climate: A Scientific Assessment, NAS 1979
Such is the track record of Santer’s “Climate Science” compared to Koonin’s Physics!
RayG
Thanks for posting Santer’s CV.
I apologize for my strong reaction against Santer and presenting such a one sided perspective.
From his CV, Santer has indeed been working to “validate” models:
Dissertation: “Regional Validation of General Circulation Models”
Research Associate: “validation of climate model control run results using Monte Carlo techniques”
With 11,947 citations, Santer has achieved very remarkable academic achievements.
Santer has to work with the challenge of nature “not behaving” to his models, while working on such a “noble cause” of “saving the planet” to which he has given his life work. So how can we better address objective evaluations rather than ad hominem attacks?
While he publishes articles supporting the IPCC, I find the arguments “Unproven” in the face of models predicting 200% higher than reality since 1979.
You write of Santer’s models as being “simply wrong”. Your caution is admirable, but unhelpful. A better description would be “fraudulent”. It is inconceivable that any real scientist could pump out wrong prediction after wrong prediction for 18 years.
100B$ is pumped into “climate science” every year and nobody was able to predict the “pause”. In fact, the (deeply politically flawed) IPCC only very reluctantly admitted that the planet hasn’t warmed in accordance with their predictions.
Mark
While there is the strong temptation to apply such accusatory terminology, I strongly recommend against it without explicit public evidence thereof (though some may consider climategate as evidence.)
Such attribution poisons the public discussion (such as the ad hominem attack of calling persons climate “deniers” insinuates being an antisemitic Holocaust deniers and anti-scientific). It is much better to stick to logical debate methodology and the objective scientific evidence.
e.g., See Roy Spencer’s sworn testimony to Congress. e.g., that > 95% (>2 sigma) of all global climate model temperature predictions from 1979 are now outside the objective global temperature evidence (>95% probability of being wrong).
Leveraging the legal/regulatory basis will have far more effect. E.g., Spencer testified:
These extradorinarily high error rates disqualify the IPCC/Santer’s global climate models under the Daubert Standard:
e.g. Leverage the objective facts of Spencer testifying as an expert witness:
(Unfortunately the courts have largely abdicated their duty regarding holding government to the scientific method.)
Furthermore, the 18 year global warming “pause” (while CO2 continues to rise) exceeds Santer’s 17 years needed for evidence of major anthroprogenic contribution, negating that confidence.
Addressing such objective evidence of failure of climate models by the scientific method will eventually win over the public and then politicians.
Why, if climate models are accurate, why does the IPCC call the forecasts “Projections”? Why are the forecasts not called “Predictions”?
Any fool can draw a line on a graph and project it forward in time. This doesn’t make the line a reliable prediction.
If climate models are accurate, why do they give such a wide range of different answers? If the science is settled, there would only be one correct answer.
“Why 100 authors? If I were wrong, then one would have been enough!” – Albert Einstein
Projections are estimates of the evolution of the system given a domain of possible inputs and forcings. They have predictive power in that the likely evolution should fall somewhere within the range of the projections.
When one has actual events unfold well beyond the range of essentially all of one’s projections, especially when the projections themselves are drawn from such a wide domain of inputs and forcings as to encompass even the least likely elements, then an honest researcher would conclude that his models were likely a poor match to reality, and conclusions drawn from them should have very low confidence. When the expressions of confidence paradoxically increase with decreasing consistency between the models and reality, you know you are dealing with pathological science.
Is it safe to assume that the ‘Santer Clause’ has FAILed?
Next up- connolley’s ‘we’ll know by 2017’
After that
shaun lovejoy’s ‘2019’ claim.
From the letter, “Over our lifetimes, a human-caused warming signal has emerged from the background noise of natural climate variability.”
A human signal emerged, well who knew, I always thought humans lived in a bubbles and never interacted with our environment at all. Very profound and enlightening.
And I never thought that all other living matter from plants, to fish, to insects, to bacteria, to all mammals, and non-living things like the Sun, water, gravity, clouds, and land masses, were just background noise, quite insignificant when put in relation to the “human signal”.
My goodness I think we need to re-investigate whether the sun revolves around the earth, no never mind, investigate whether the universe revolves around the earth since our signal seems to overwhelm all other living and non-living matter (background noise) in the universe.
Ok I am being bombastic and sarcastic, but what to do in the face of ” human warming signal ” and additional statements like this from the letter, “This warming signal is discernible not only over the land surface, but also in the Earth’s oceans, lower atmosphere, and snow and ice cover.”, which are an extreme stretching of the truth if not outright fibs.
“This warming signal is discernible”
They day we see US politicians and scientists producing no more CO2 than the peasants in Africa and Asia, that will be day we can believe the US is serious about climate change. Until then it is just so much hog wash.
One would expect 7 billion people, creating massive cities, converting millions of square miles of forests and jungles to farms, daming rivers and irrigatiing deserts, would have an effect on climate. However, climate science ignores this change to lay all the blame on CO2. Why? What is the motivation? Follow the money.
Of course the US wants other countries to cut back on producing CO2 (fossil fuel usage). Having been the largest producer of CO2 for many, many years; having used this CO2 production (fossil fuel usage) to make itself the worlds only Superpower; the US wants to hold on to its position at all costs.
What better way to do this than to prevent other countries from taking advantage of their own fossil fuels, by a Treaty to Reduce CO2? This is no hardship to the US, which already has very high per capita CO2 production. They can afford to reduce CO2 by increasing efficiency, because of the high per capita CO2 production.
However, most of the rest of the world has very low per capita CO2 production. There is no room for them to reduce on a country by country basis, without doing real harm to their economies and peoples. It is simple to find efficienies when you are using a lot of anything. Efficiencies are hard to come by when usage is already very small.
Thus it is that the US is concentrating on reductons by country rather than limits of per capita emissions. The US wants peasants in Africa, India, China and Brazil to reduce their CO2 from near zero to less than zero, by increasing the price of energy so that no peasant can afford it. In return the US will reduce its per capita emissions from enormous to huge.
And to accomplish this, the US is willing to pay compliant scientists, NGO’s, corrupt politicians, whatever it takes to get the answer they want.
Not really true. Because of the distributed nature of the US economy it takes more CO2 to drive it. Cutting back will create problems.
“Having been the largest producer of CO2 for many, many years; having used this CO2 production (fossil fuel usage) to make itself the worlds only Superpower; the US wants to hold on to its position at all costs.”
Whoa, there! The US is probably the least aggressive of the First World powers pushing this malarkey. And, it’s not everyone in the First World, to which this blog comments board attests. I would say rather, it is a First World cabal of powerful interests which desires to maintain its position in what it sees as a zero-sum game.
The US doesn’t want any countries to cut their emissions, it’s Obama, socialists, communists, and other ignorant anti-US types. They also wish to destroy US superpower status by crippling the US economy with their collectivist policies.
The types pushing the CO2 scam are international, not based in the US, where the working general population just wants to be left alone.
The reason for the US producing the most CO2 is because we also have the greatest industrial output and the highest living standards, at least until Obama succeeds in destroying it.
Just get the puck out of there.
And then there is this post:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/04/07/kilimanjaro-glaciers-just-wont-die-nowhere-near-extinction/
I’ve spent my career on useless crap
As useless as crap can be
So the only response I can possibly make
If criticism of my crap is what you partake
Is to simply not debate
But beat the crap out of you
If you’re ever in front of me
I know it needs a little work but I’m not a poet. And I’m not aware that Benjamin Santer’s a physicist.
If it’s any consolation, you’re 10 times the poet that Santer is a physicist. Or scientist, for that matter.
Ben Santer doesn’t look like the sort of person who should go around making threats of physical violence. I suspect his bluff would be called very quickly.
I suspect that Santer meant that he’d “beat the crap out of” Michaels while dressed in his Star Trek Ensign’s uniform and swishing menacingly with his Sky-Walker light saber.
Scientist or enforcer of religious dogma?
“Next time I see Pat Michaels at a scientific meeting, I’ll be tempted to beat the crap out of him. Very tempted.”
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Life’s a bitch when the facts are against you.
The Mafia solved this problem long ago. When someone has evidence against you, threaten to beat them up if they testify.
Looks like Climate Science has adopted the methods of Organized Crime. Only makes sense. They long ago gave up on the Scientific Method.
Are you suggesting that BS sleeps with the fishes (in the Simpsonian sense)? That might explain a few things.
Why not beat Pat Michaels with your ‘settled science’ instead of your fists?
“Many climate scientists are trained physicists… We invite Dr. Koonin to join them.”
Can’t see the full original, but is he saying “join the ranks (of trained physicists )” or “join the ranks (of climate scientists)”? The first is an insult, per his CV, the second is an invitation to waste his time. This suggestion is a FAIL on either count.
Taylor
He would be following in the footsteps of the Father of Modern Day Global Warming Alarmism, Dr. James Hansen, who is a physicist and astronomer. There are many others like this out there such as the mathematician Gavin Schmidt, the physicists Dana Nuccitelli, John Cook and Joe Romm.
In case someone brings up the issue of Koonin having once worked for BP………….tell them he worked on their
If they persist in wanting to smear then ask them whether Dana Nucitelli still works for the oil company Tetra Tach. 🙂
For Tom J,
I’ve spent my career doing useless crap, and everyone knows this is true.
But don’t call my bluff or I’ll act really tough, and say “I’ll beat the crap out of you!”
You’re a better poet than me. I salute you.
Don’t forget this other Santer gem from the Climategate e-mails:
“I looked at some of the stuff on the Climate Audit web site. I’d really like to talk to a few of these “Auditors” in a dark alley.”
Ben Santer is part of the damaged goods legacy, along with Mann and Hansen, from the myth promoted by the crusading climate change cause.
I can accept there needs to be no debate in the science community focused on climate, IF instead there is a publically raging, uncensored and un-refereed argument that consumes the attention of all in our culture who are even remotely interested in what all the unscientific exaggeration and blatant ideological activist hype is about. That would be a hell of an effective scientific process.
John